Electromagnetic Inertial Propulsion System

[maikydb]

when will we hear more about this. I mean if they can launch a roller coaster from 0 to 90 kph in just 30 meters of track why cant we build a track long enough to gradually build up the speed (never extending the 4G's ) and launch something from Earth in to outer space?  I have been thinking about this theory my self to for years.

[johnroach1]

Go to approachconcepts "dot" com for real inertial propulsion.

[KeskinTRS]

I think that it makes no sense to worry about launching interplanetary/interstellar spaceships from earth. They will be big and heavy, especially for human travel.

So it´s much more practical to build them in earth or moon orbit and to use them only as mother ships for travel between orbits.

The actual landings/missions can be done with smaller ships which are launched from the mother ship.

[Thorsupremecommander]

@KeskinTRS

orbital dockship and orbital passenger terminal is good solution. however the issue of powerful electric propulsion is still to support. You can't build combustion propulsion which will get you to Mars with constant acceleration 1G. And only in this situation you don't have to worry about lack of gravity (for instance losing Ca from bones). Time travel with 1G = 3 days to Mars, without it = 7-11 months

[KeskinTRS]

@Thorsupremecommander

That`s correct and continous 1G acceleration would also be optimal for human space travel and even better if the engine would be capable of producing a couple more G`s for shorter periods of time.

My thought was not about limiting engine power, in fact extra power might be crucial for emergencies or maneuvering, what I was trying to say was that building a big ship, that can land and withstand reentry would be much more expensive, complicated and dangerous.

[Thorsupremecommander]

@KeskinTRS

I agree utterly. building large cargo ships just to launch into far trip is pointless (economically uneffective) it is much better to transport all cargo into orbit first and from there launch to interplanetary trip. However, cruising with speed greater than 1g is also impractitional and uneconomical. For example Mars-Earth - 250 mln km - 1g trip - 89 hrs, 2 g trip - 63 hrs. higher gs are not possible for humans in conventional (not hyper drive) enignes

[RobinBlackburne]

@Thorsupremecommander

Would you kindly email me re your magnetic Inertial Propulsion work. We might be able to help.

thanks. Robin Blackburne: email: Blackburne@northrrock.bm telephone 1 441 292 2670

[QuantumCarl]

Fail.

[olympustec6969]

I have fully enjoyed your presentation

[filmfan4]

yes i have and it works though just like Marconi developing wireless technology i'm still having to make many little changes in order to get a model that can work comercially!

[Thorsupremecommander]

that's good news. when will you upload video showing your works?

[filmfan4]

not harmonics but the manipulation of magnetic fields in order to overcome the mass of the vehicle that you choose to propel!

[Thorsupremecommander]

have you built your prototype yet?

[2012listo]

It would be a great idea, if we were not in a black hole already. Look around you.

[seanmillerr]

it sounds to me like an engine that works on a type of harmonic field,may be.

[Thorsupremecommander]

oh, thank you very much for inspiration. I haven't thought about harmonics :) this idea is worth of concern

[filmfan4]

Although I have yet to be proven right with my own device, mathematically the physics of it work out. But without giving too much away (for fear of losing exclusivity of the devices working) I suggest look into the discoveries made by Isaac Newton and Michael Faraday!

[filmfan4]

Goog idea but your making it too complicated. There are simpler ways. Besides the problem of getting into orbit can be solved using lifting bodies like on Virgin Galactic's Spaceship 1&2 until you fing a bigger source of electrical power!

[Thorsupremecommander]

what kind of simpler ways?

[filmfan4]

Well why do you feel the need for alternating magnetic fields? Surely that would just cancel out any motion you might create. I am personally working on a device that would fulfill the project aims that you have stated using the same main features as your project. I have built a preliminary version of my device which should levitate if you power it with electricity. I have yet to test it but I do not have an electrical suply large enough, but fortunately I have a contact who has.

[Subspace4d]

do you mean two electro magnets who are spaced some meters apart and one is pulsed the other recives the responce and the first is shut off when the pulse of the second arrive at first? This is old idea. But problem is to switch that fast. normally it should be some medium as iron that slow down the speed of this. By that giving the switch cercuit to react fast. I could build this but my problem is the money. I have not infinite resources.

[Thorsupremecommander]

it may be like this, but there is better way, instead of two coils, one of them is permanent magnet. power consumption drops down :).

this is correct that the leading problem is switching time.

[Subspace4d]

Yes how do you want to switch permanent magnets with a pulse of nanosecounds that gives a length of 30 centimeters? Its impossible. Only way is to build Tesla Caduceus coil and use its magnetic field to generate the initial field. Then this field travel with light speed to reciver coil. That reciver coil is also attracted to the initial coil. But when the reciver signal arrive to the initial coil then the initial coil is switched off and does not react at all.

[Thorsupremecommander]

I don't have to switch permanent magnets :) I only need to pulse the coil.

instead using reciver coil I use permanent magnet. The rest of description is the same.

[zataflex]

he he nice project I have this on paper from the age of 15. The study was about a rotating sequence of magnets with an applied pulsing electromagnetic field. The result was that the two vector had an angle of a little bit less than 180. The problem is that probably those forces have a quantistic effect and can rapidly adapt to the new status as your target receive them avoiding the creation of a free energy.

[Thorsupremecommander]

ofcourse it's nice :). by the way. did you make any experiment with your concept? or just made mind game?

about the forces; there are rumors that near fields (i.e. of one wave length from source) behave like you described. in my design receiver is just on verge of near and far field :P

[zataflex]

No well at that time I was just an high school student with a great interest in science and electronics. I had no enough money to do that kind of experiments. Now I would have the money and the lab but no so much time. Anyway I think that probably I'll try to do something. The main problem would be to have a rotating magnet perfectly balanced to avoid problems at the high speeds. If you want we can do some math on this and see if there is a credible experiment we can do.

[Thorsupremecommander]

ok., send into zysk (at) wp . pl

[JaedomHexen]

What kind of speeds are we talking about And is it in a similar setup as Tom's concept using longitudinal fields as well? Well it is'nt totaly longitudinal, the field closes into a solinoid type field with closed B lines after the pulse has ended, similar to a longitudinal after receiver connects. I do have a question if you can find it, How long does it take after current has stopped in a cunductor for the B field to decay? I cant find it in my books or papers anywhere :-(

[Thorsupremecommander]

what kind of speeds of the craft? well, I estimate that top speed will be 3-5% of c due to energy constraints (nuclear reactor). if you ask about speed of propagation of the pulse then no one really knows what propagation speed is in near field. however it is assumed that it is c speed. B field moves outword of conductor with c speed. in 1 inch from conductor it will be

1 inch (1.6x10^-5 mile) / (188 thsd miles/s) = 85 ps (0.085 billionth of second)

[Thorsupremecommander]

but this is very theoretical calculation assuming that current stops immedietly. in reality current won't stop in 0 seconds. it will take some time to stop the current due to inductance of the wire in closed system. reactance due to inductance is 2Pi * f * L. the more voltage you have faster will current decay and B created by it as well.

[JaedomHexen]

Hehe I must have replyed to the wrong comment but from what you told me thats what I needed to know thankyou :-)

[compozure1]

I have been following this research for a while on and off since I was 17, ten years ago. I joined youtube recently and am glad to see this. I have a theory or two about the techniques for creating and controllong the magnetic field direction and thrust! I am excited because now I have proof that I may have been more correct than I originally thought. Yes I want to help any way I can. I am not a scientist, more like a daydreaming inventor. I would like more information please.

[Thorsupremecommander]

ok, give an email to me and show your concept. maybe it will be helpfull

[Thorsupremecommander]

when I wrote "give an email" I just wanted you to write to me by youtube message :)

[Thorsupremecommander]

actually, unfortunatelly it is not complete. concept is quite complete, but not design. there are some obstacles which have to be overcome. I mentioned them in posts here under the clip

[Saskachewan]

I saw in your video that you're saying about non-Hertzian waves. Do you know Tesla's works? He mentioned producing longitudal E-M waves. It's also worth to mention dr Milo Wolff's theory of Wave Structure of Matter. He explains many unknowns of present physics using SCALAR quantum waves, which constitute matter.

BTW are you Polish? Can I speak Polish to you?

[Thorsupremecommander]

no jasne. co do samego Tesli, nie spotkałem się z publikacją dokładnie wyjasniającą koncpecje Tesli dla fal podłużnych. Natomiast sam koncept fal podłużnych skalarnych nie jest mi obcy. prof Meyl dokładnie to wyprowadził w swojej książce i swoich filmach.

[AZURA888]

Electromagnetic systems could be the best, because there're no moving parts, so unless other external causes affect it, this device is virtually eternal, the eficiency with superconducting systems could be of 94%5 in the storage system and 99% for the motor. Noises, vibrations, pollution, heavy fuel tanks, explosion dangers, that could be in the past, but you need a lot of money to build a first prototype, because of the rare materials and high purity requirements for nowadays

[Thorsupremecommander]

I'm optimistic about prototype. fortunately it doesn't require huge amount of money. Only some basic aquipped lab and eager electronic technician or engineer.

[AZURA888]

If you want to propel a spaceship with electromagnetic impulse, you'll need SMES or superconducting storage systems as a light fuel tank to keep the incredible amount of power to reach 24machs, with chemical methods like batteries that is impossible. We have been work with these materials but our rigaku cooling system only get -197°C and 10 lts of liquid nitrogen per day.

[Thorsupremecommander]

superconducting magnets have limits in magnetic strenght as far as I know. I agree as to energy source. That is why I've limited my concept to interplannetary space drive

[Ozzywhitetiger]

Come on children whats with the insults an names. Be your work here true or not this idea needs to invested in. Could the simple magnet on the fridge be the key to a more advance energy source?

[Thorsupremecommander]

magnet is important component but alone is not enough. we've known it for some time.

[jpaynelotus34]

I truly think you are right. It's been in front of our faces for years. Look into space for the most abundant sources....radiation, magnetics, and gravity.(of course, besides light) This is why you never hear a UFO make any sound.... magnetics are silent. Just look what it has done for the bullet train... luv the way you think!

[jpaynelotus34]

The magnetic portals that open from the sun and connect to the Earth every 8 seconds to transport particles demonstrates that this is the beginning of the understanding that magnetics will, in its abundance in space, the energy to drive crafts to travel great distances in space. a sustaining EMF around the craft will propel it. Keep it the education..almost there.

[Thorsupremecommander]

interesting, but wouldn't be much useful if engines were generating this EMF themselves? magnetic portals might me useful as source of energy though

[jpaynelotus34]

Tell me what you think.... all UFO's are quiet and can travel galaxies without an atmospheric reaction (i.e. burning fuel, coal, etc.) This is where the magnetics can "fuel" crafts. Due to the lack of friction/drag speeds can be obtained that humans cannot conceive. Thus shouldn't this lead to space travel with greater distances without running out of 'fuel'???

[Thorsupremecommander]

I don't really know how UFOs work. Actually no one on Earth does. I've made some calculations and they show, that travelling between near stars requires something like jump drive or warp drive. If you could sustain acceleration of 1 g you would fly a couple of dozens of years to nearest star. Secondly, even nuclear reactors can provide energy enough to speed wehicle upto 3-5% of velocity of light. this is clear that "my" drive is usuable only for interplanetary travel.

[jpaynelotus34]

LOL!! Keep up the research!!

[Skyoti6]

Interesting. I like it.

[ixisuprflyixi]

I had an idea of a mode of electronic propulsion but my idea was not as mature as your idea appears to be. I am an electrical engineering student and would like to hear more about this project and offer my assistance if it is infact a true scientific endeavor.

[Thorsupremecommander]

don't stop devoloping your ideas. I wouldn't like to disappoint you but I'm not a scientist. This is much more like hobby project. As to your assistance, actually the main problem is in obtaining high enough magnetic flux in short period of time by means available at home. This is big feat. For now efforts failed.

[tpvalley]

a gravity displacement/ projection engine is required, this could pull along crafts but also bend space time couldn't it, so that distances would be changed rather than travelled as gravity effect all of these things doesn't it?

Didn't nasa investigate something like this?

I didnt watch all of this video, so forgive me if this is what its about!

I have limited download !

[Thorsupremecommander]

actually clip/project is not about gravity displacement/bending. It is about purely electromagnetic engine. As to gravity, today scientis don't have any clue how gravity works nor they have any theories useful in practical applications. (einstein's formulae are of pure mathematical kind, and energeticly impossible) nearly the same applies to fringe-science or out-of-academy science. Latter guys have some theories but they're too far away from practical application.

[tpvalley]

I watched something the other day about gravity and how it is effected by magnetic fields, I cant remember what it said now.

Kind of like gravity and space and time r all linked, each effecting the other.

So rather than travelling long distances we make the distance/space into a short distance.

Something to do with gravitational lensing?

[Thorsupremecommander]

well, my project is rather for distances within our solar system. reaching other stars is quite different prolem in size and effort.

[SchizoFilms]

Seems a ways away. Definitely within my lifetime. Likely within my dad's lifetime. Then again, I'm a Techno-Optimist, so I always see the way things evolve quickly. I give it 20 years at most. By then, we'll either have this, or something better.

[Thorsupremecommander]

you're very optimistic, but who knows. maybe this engine will be constructed in this year? :)

[SchizoFilms]

Maybe. Maybe. Never know with technology.

[Midas234]

Have you been able to build a working prototype ?

[Thorsupremecommander]

due to the problems in my proffesional job the project is put aside, so no prototype

[dougerber]

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[Thorsupremecommander]

and here we've got a mocker. Don't you have anything else to do?

[dougerber]

i think it sounds like an interesting concept. i also think it was a horrible idea to use the computer narration. im an actor, if you want, you can send me a transcript and i'll record a voice over for you. seriously, i'd be glad to.

[Thorsupremecommander]

As I said to bugular, this is not computer narration. This is my voice. I am alexithimic, so I can't express emotions in my voice. Be also aware that English is not my native language. well, after laughting at me is your proposition of help really sincere? If it is maybe there will be good moment to use your skills since I am planning to issue series of clips on sex outside of marriage (you'd be surprised what will be in this)

[dougerber]

oh shit dude. im sorry i made fun of you, i just didn't know that condition existed. my bad. anyway, i didn't mean to be a dick and i'll still help you if you want.

[bugular]

It does not even matter that your voice-over is computer generated because the material it contains is so obviously a hook for investment funds that will swiftly disappear that it makes you look either evil or a tout for some other asshole who hired you. Imagine the amount of money the oil/coal/gas industry has invested in that shrinking investment? and imagine how much they have invested in other tech knowing its going assup soon?? Dumbass.

[Thorsupremecommander]

You've missed the point completely. This project and youtube presentation is not intended to draw investor. PS. voice is not computer generated. if you can't bear people learning English, it is your problem.

[rogerpenna]

Thomas, albeit I am a skeptic, I really wish you all the success in pursuing your ideas. And if they work, I would LOVE TO ADMIT I was wrong. Chemical propulsion is an absolete and inneficient proccess for the vastness of space. Humanity must pursue other propulsion methods, be them reactionless or nuclear pulse propulsion (or at least some mean of sending cargo into space, either by railguns or space-elevators)

[Thorsupremecommander]

Thanks for the wishes. Project has stuck due to lack of materials, but I didn't give up.

[Lokivoid]

NASA has allready tested Reactionless drives working on the same concept, Summery Super Conductors and Energy storage is about 100 years off in technologie to provide enough force to overcome earths gravity, The concepts not really anything new ether i suggest checking the US patant office for detailes.

[Thorsupremecommander]

I've read about it and I don't think this is the same the Nasa did. It is indeed simillar but not the same. By the way, Nasa didn't make tests on electromagnetic ones. There was a guy collecting money for test in Nasa, but he didn't manage.

[KnowledgeofLife]

no' My minds been washed to remember nothing. I still wanna make a space craft though.

[KnowledgeofLife]

Awesome. May I be of some assistance? I am very interested.

[Thorsupremecommander]

Sure! what could you do? Can you design electronics circuits? Are you able to build devices? (I'm not asking about proffessional formal training and qualities but knowledge and abilities)

[FUTUREFIGHTER]

Thomas Ciborowski go fuck yourself -- Newtons Law wont work on Space idiot --Electromagnetic Inertial Propulsion System --already in use and its not --that efective

[Thorsupremecommander]

I think you didn't understand the presentation and as to Newton's Laws. They work anywhere. Electromagnetic fields obey these laws as well. Two magnets act on each other simultaneously with equal force.

Anyway, why are you so vulgar and arrogant?

[Thorsupremecommander]

There has been posted an animation showing work of electromagnetic inertial engine. Clip is available on account.

[Arianive]

what can this be used for?

[Thorsupremecommander]

this could replace rocket engine and provide efficient way of travelling to planets in Solar System.

[Thorsupremecommander]

Little update. I've received reply from Pat. He is an electronic engineer. I hope we'll move further with this project

[technocreep]

Thanks for inviting me to watch this. One suggestion: Don't limit your power source exclusively to solar. In the future, solar power is only supplementary in nature, because of its limitations. It is much like when they first tried to build jetplanes propelled by rocket fuel, which was spent too quickly for sustained flight. It worked perfectly, however, for short-range missiles.

[Thorsupremecommander]

ofcourse I don't limit it to solar panels. I just mention that the engine may use also solar energy as long as spacecraft exists since it doesn't need any fuel :)

[Laddislavv]

Looks intriguing and damn simple. So making the short impulses generator would make a chance of checking if it makes a "breakthrough". Will follow progress. regs

[Thorsupremecommander]

That is correct. we can use multiple short impulses as well. The time of impulse must be short enough to "fit" at least 1/4 of impulse in space between coil (or other emitter) and permanent magnet. Due to the large speed of light in air it is quite short - about ns. Currently I'm trying to use iron rod as medium (it slows down propagation of impulse and thus lowers frequency)

[Thorsupremecommander]

In advance I apologize for my bad halting and broken English. I hope next posts will be better.