Motorweek - Mazda Rotary Engine 40th Anniversary

[Seattlecarnut]

From what I've been told, the Mazda rotary engine requires more maintenance than a piston engine of similar displacement.

[aaroncake]

@Seattlecarnut Sort of yes, sort of no. The owner needs to watch the oil level more carefully, but that's about it. Well, they also tend to go through spark plugs more often.

[Seattlecarnut]

@aaroncake That makes sense. But isn't that the case with all spark plug engines? Shouldn't one check the spark plugs?

[aaroncake]

@Seattlecarnut They tend to go through spark plugs more often than a piston engine since long thin chamber results in deposits forming on the electrodes. The emission systems of the later cars were a bit of a maze, and of course, there's the twin turbo system of the 3rd gen RX-7 that defined "unreliability".

[Seattlecarnut]

@aaroncake Ah. Ok.

[Seattlecarnut]

@aaroncake The govt and their damn emissions control devices they impose on the cars!

[DEATH94SQUAD]

wow i like these rotary engines very smart ... thats coming from a guy that loves old american v8s

[3shacks1house]

Over the hill engine??? What a Bimb!!! Just how old are the piston engines there sweetcheeks??

[sof1map]

they are so gangsta!

[sonar123456]

How much torque did the REPU get? Considering it had a small displacement engine in it it couldn't have been that high.

[aaroncake]

I don't recall off hand, but it was something like 130HP and 130 FT-LBs. The vehicle was geared to take advantage of the engine and it was actually the fastest production truck at the time.

[MAN71S]

brap brap

[2346]

if they make an rx-9 i want it to look like the rx-7 design

[tonyf686]

what the biggest number of rotors they made?

[aaroncake]

The most rotors Mazda used on a production engine is 3, as used in the 20B-REW engine that powered the Eunos Cosmo. Mazda made a number of 4 rotor prototypes, won Le Mans in 1990 with the 4 rotor R26B and will sell you a 4 rotor if you have enough money. They also experimented with engines having higher rotor counts but none of those made production.

[bridgeportedrotary]

@tonyf686

20 lol jk i think 4

[PrescriptionSeven]

theres to much bitching below.. just wanna say great video thanks for posting, rotaries are the way of the future. fc3s infini is my personal favorite rx7.

it ain't a motor if it ain't a rotor.

[aaroncake]

It's sad to say, but I don't think the rotary is the way of the future. Piston engines have evolved to the point where it is tough to justify a rotary in a new car when you consider the fuel consumption. This doesn't mean the rotary is inferior, it just means that in the future we will continue to see primarily piston engines. Especially when you consider that we are moving towards more hybrids and clean diesels, then plug in hybrids, and finally pure electric.

[PrescriptionSeven]

hydrogen is the big thing and the 16x hydro rotary will do big things for the auto market...but yea your reply is also very true.

[aaroncake]

Hydrogen will never catch on except in very specific markets (much like current LPG vehicles) as the problem with hydrogen is the same problem as gasoline; production. Then with hydrogen you also have low energy density, storage issues and lack of infrastructure.

[blyndrotor]

I got one of those. Great fun.  If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.

[aaroncake]

And you know what? Both of you people are handling this is a less then mature way. Disagreements happen. No need for insults and cheap shots.

[IceDragon387]

which is exactly why i stoped 3 months ago....by the way...hows tina aaron?

[gmcjetpilot]

The new "Motorweek" RX8 test drive was on in the last few week (April 2009). It got a ho-hum review & is slow. They said the poor 1/4 mile times was do to being low on power. The rotary is a small engine size wise. There is only so much you can do with it. On the plus side it was fun to drive around the track.....

[IceDragon387]

hey dipshit...if you actually take the time to read back, i said multiple times that i dont like the rx8...and i no its weak...it makes like the same power my 87 makes which is sad, but it will destroy almost any car on the circuit....and of course it gets bad reviews...america is all about straight lines....the japanese and the british are pretty fond of the rx8

[gmcjetpilot]

"hey dipshit.." No fuck you little punk. You are clueless, so now with the insults. You're a loser & really stupid. You work on emotion, not facts; you're a woman & should buy a dress.

Modern piston engines have surpassed the Wankel that has been and always will be a niche' engine, a specialty, cool but apples to apples it falls short. That's a FACT. It makes lots of power in a small light package but has many draw backs that are too technically complicated to explain to a girl like you.

[IceDragon387]

wow...it really shows whos the adult here...first you insult me before i even say anything, and now you lie and say that i insult you first...your the little punk...come to jersey so we can settle this like adults do...oh but i dont hit senior citizens so i guess we cant.and btw..its also a fact that piston engines have alot of draw backs as well and can blow just as easily,but im sure there to technical to explain to you who it takes 3 months to figure out how to use the computer for a comeback

[aaroncake]

Yeah, it's too bad that Mazda hasn't changed the car since it was rolled out. What would save the RX-8 would be a turbocharged model but I don't think we'll see another turbo rotary for a very long time (if ever) due to the FD. 350HP would be easy and make for quite a fun RX-8. It's still hard to find a car that handles as well though.

[geeflyboy]

That's RIGHT! Turbo charging (which they had) is one of the best things you can do for the rotary. It increases power and efficieny. That wasted extra hot, high speed exhaust gas (more than a piston engine) gets put to good used.

Of course turbo adds complexity, but why they dropped it I don't know? weight, cost, simplicity?

Handling! That is the other thing the kids missed, far from the draw backs they are FUN, zoom and it goes hummmm. They are well made, good handling cars, end of story.

[IceDragon387]

they droped the turbos because in 96 all cars were changed over to obdII emmisions...the FD could not pass these new regulations...so with the weakening sales and these new regulations set in america they were forced to drop all sales in america

[aaroncake]

They dropped it for several reasons. The cost and complexity of the twin turbo system, maintenance and warranty headaches, and the need for '96 and newer vehicles sold in North America to have an ODBII EFI system. Later they sorted out the twin turbo issues in Japan but never brought it back to our side. It probably cost Mazda way too much to keep them over here and support the failures.

[IceDragon387]

and your the troll, if i didnt suddenly get a message saying that one of my comments had been commented on from 4 months ago then i would not have come back to this video...you start with me..i always finish go ahead and check..my very first comment occured 4 months ago, then your snotty ass comment happened yesterday...whos the troll? me? because im defending myself from a moron who speaks false bullshit and thinks that just because your going to need a cane soon you know more? i think not

[RedFathom]

no kidding, 15 posts wtf? most of it negative.

gmcjetpilot if you don't like the engine. not only do you not have to watch the video. you don't even have to post comments, or read comments already posted.

[gmcjetpilot]

I love the ENGINE, but you day dreamers are intellectually dishonest and irrational.

Great engine, very fun to drive, unique power band (like a two stroke dirt bike coming on the pipes), however with all the Rev and feeling its FAST there are several PROBLEMS:

Low on power

Low of gas mileage

Facts. However cool engine and car, just not fast or efficient. They are smooth but most modern engines are smooth. I WAS DRIVING A ROTARY IN THE 1970's.

[IceDragon387]

which, grandpa, is why you think they are low on power..go cruise this site a bit...1600 hp 4 rotor bmw, 700 hp FD, 500 hp pp FC....just because the brochure of you shinny porche says its the best, doesnt mean it really is

[gmcjetpilot]

"1600 hp 4 rotor bmw, 700 hp FD, 500 hp pp FC"

Stop dreaming a stock RX8 is a little over 212-232HP and is a DOG on TORQUE.

How many R26B's, 13J- M 3 & 4 rotor engines are on the road or even track? Stop BS'ing.

And how long do high strung turboed racing 13B's, 113B-REN last? Not long at all, they blow up.

Now run along troll, you are an idiot and embarrassed yourself more and are just throwing a temper tantrum. Grow up, read more and stop being a douche bag.

[IceDragon387]

......your the dickhead that started it yet again....just like the last time...i havent posted on this video for 3 months....3 MONTHS did you read it that time? lets try again THREE MONTHS ok maybe now we got it...just because someone else replys to your retardedness doesnt mean you have to bring me back into play. so if anyone needs to grow up and stop being a troll..its you... READY? YOU say it with me...."i, grandpa, am a troll who likes to pick on people that dont like what i like"

[RedFathom]

if you knew anything about rotaries you would probably still have one that runs.

my 87 rx gets the same mileage as my 89 accord, and its a hell of alot more fun. then again i haven't gotten it back together since i ported it.

[neXib]

@RedFathom How is he going to increase his virtual penis size then? :)

[gmcjetpilot]

RX8 is cool, nice design with the half rear doors, but take a Nissan Z car. It is faster and burns 14% less gas. Sports car MPG is not a big factor, but has always been the reason for lack of mass appeal. Rotary heads don't care.

RX8 16/22 mpg city/hway

1/4 Mile ET: 15.01

1/4 Mile MPH: 93.02

Nissan 350Z 18/25 mpg city/hway

1/4 Mile ET: 13.81

1/4 Mile MPH: 100.96

There is nothing like how the Rotary comes "on the pipes" at higher RPM like a two-stroke dirt bike. They do go hummmm.

[aaroncake]

I don't think the RX-8 is a fair comparison to the 350Z. They are two different cars for two different purposes. If you want to compare a rotary sports car to the 350Z, the FD is a far better comparison.

[gmcjetpilot]

That is a fair comment. However I'm pointing out REAL pros and cons to the asinine idiot below having a fit about Mazda not spending enough on ads. The car is not a money maker, its a flag-ship, pride thing for Mazda & niche market. Also rotaries have always got poor MPG and always will; its the nature of exhaust temps/velocities (ie wasted energy). Turbos help, but still there are inherent inefficiencies. The oil use is well known as well. Regardless rotary high RPM pwr band is unique & fun.

[IceDragon387]

i find it funny that you compare a wanabe sports car to that fat turd of one

[gmcjetpilot]

I always loved the Mazda. My mom had an RX3 in the Mid-late 70's I got to drive. I later found an old RX2 that I drove into the ground. The engine is cool.

Now here is where I tell you why Wankel/Rotary has NEVER been a successes. THEY BURN GAS LIKE CRAZY. THEY also USE OIL. Yes there's an oil injector pump, but you have to keep topping it off. The new ones use only synthetic oil. Not a big deal but when you burn it, it's expensive. Neat engine, but will always be a niche or specialty motor.

[IceDragon387]

its quite obvious that you know very little about cars and even less about rotors except what people tell you...yea they have omp's but if you keep toping off the oil like you say you will put to much since rotors ratio for burning is 1 qt per 3k miles which is actually similar to many v8's ratio's

i suppose nobody told you that pistons burn oil too

its also funny that you say they take synthetic when its the leading cause for blown rtr engines

[gmcjetpilot]

Bit me shit head. I was driving a Mazda RX2 and RX3 in the 70's. I helped a guy put 13B in his experimental aircraft. I have an engineering degree & my 993 gets better mileage & smokes the RX-8.

I KNOW PEOPLE WHO OWN AND DRIVE RX8'S ON A DAILY BASIS. I KNOW MORE THAN YOU. You have to carry oil jugs around and check/fill the injector every other tank of gas. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. Also REAL WORLD gas milage average is mid teens! SUCKS! The 350Z uses ZERO oil between changes. I owned you!

[IceDragon387]

ok do you want a medal? you could also drive a bently it doesnt mean you know shit about it...and yea they check there oil so that they dont run low because the OMP uses some...of course piston engines wouldnt need the OMP because the oil is thrown right in when the piston is on its downward sroke so your stupid statement about the z using zero oil is completly false...but if you know someone thats car does use no oil i suggest you tell them to go get it looked at

[gmcjetpilot]

"you know shit about it"

You don't know me asshole. Clearly you're trolling, baiting people with your asinine imature moronic foolishness. I DIDN'T SAY ZERO OIL? NO ASS HOLE! You are some kind of powerful stupid. Again fill the crankcase up and ADD no oil between oil changes (any modern car). RX-8 as AN OIL INJECTOR! READ THAT AGAIN INJECTOR ASS HOLE. IF YOU OWNED OR EVER DROVE A WANKEL YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. NOW GO AWAY CHILD.

[IceDragon387]

i would love to see you fill an engines crankcase up with oil and start it...and you did say zero oil actually..thats the second time you lied about something you said...

[gmcjetpilot]

YOU ARE A LIAR. Where did I say that? NO WHERE LIAR. Ha ha you troll.

Don't put words in my mouth. I'd have to throw away 100 IQ point to obtain your level of retarded logic.

Again oil use is NIL, marginal, negligible for modern quality piston engines. (look the words up)

The RX-8 has an OIL INJECTOR and requires synthetic oil to be burned. The RX-8 needs to BURN oil for apex seal lubrication. It gets mixed with the fuel. Don't beleive me? I don't give a shit.

[gmcjetpilot]

"its also funny that you say they take synthetic when its the leading cause for blown rtr engines"

Where did I say that? I helped rebuild a 13B rotary for a friend. Another acquaintance races a 20B. (That is a three rotor Mazda if you didn't know). I know all about the apex seals mods to the new Rensis 13B-MSP. Do you know anything, ever owned or driven a rotary? Yet you tell me I'm a shit? LOL F'ing children.

[IceDragon387]

on the one i commented on fool "the new ones take synthetic only" it just shows how much you know...all engines burn oil, its impossible for them to not..and your age just shows how old and stupid you are..even the shitty 8 can run rings around the heavy turd of the z in circuits and in testing the z just barely beats the 8...and the real reason they dont advertise is because they lied about the car. and im sure you helped "pass me this socket" lmao

[gmcjetpilot]

You're RX-8 fan? Good for you. Save the insult rants punk. Dr Felix Wankel was brilliant. Mazda is the ONLY company to bring the Wankel to the market for 3 decades. Suzuki RE5 motorcycle, Wright aircraft engines made rotary engines. Mazda's 13B is only successful with long production. WHY? There are draw backs, ie fuel burn and oil use above modern position engines.

[gmcjetpilot]

"all engines burn oil"

Yes at such a small amount that you can go 5,000 miles or 10,000 miles with out adding oil to the crank case.

The RX-8 has an oil injector to lubrabcate the apex seals. IT'S LIKE A TWO STROKE. You have oil jugs and ever tank or two of gas you have to ADD OIL.

Let me ask you DO YOU OWN AN RX8?

What kind of car do you drive. What job do you have? A paper route? How many cars have you owned or rebuilt or restored? You fucking troll ass punks on youtube.

[gmcjetpilot]

Fast car? RX-8 is slow for super sport cars. RX-8 is NOT FAST. It is slow because the engine does not make low RPM torque or HP. It is a high rev engine that has a narrow power band. Some people like that, most hate it. The RX-8 in real test has 178hp/122 torque at the rear wheels. The 350Z has 311hp/298 torque. Remember the 350Z gets better MPG. Even you dumb ass can understand that. The RX-8 is a nice specialty car, BUT YOU are an ass hole. I owned you punk. Now go fuck yourself.

[OtakuBozu]

for all its weaknesses in ground vehicle use, the rotary has several _very_ appreciable benefits when used for propelling a light aircraft, _especially_ in a kit-plane. Less weight and less vibration both mean less stress on the airplane's structure. It's certainly not without its faults. Using a Mazda rotary in an airplane means you'll have to replace the spark plugs every 50 flight hours. every 100 flight-hours if you're REALLY lucky, and that's assuming you use automotive gas in the thing.

[gmcjetpilot]

"appreciable benefits when used for propelling a light aircraft"

NO WAY! Name one? I'm experimental aircraft builder (since 1987), degree in mechanical engineering and an airline pilot. I KNOW. Auto conversions are always heavier, typ slower due to cooling drag (fitting a radiator) & have poor fuel econ. I'd rather my used Lycoming O360A1A and Hartzell I overhauled for about $12,000 total, about the cost of a rotary/fix prop DIY & plan on EXTRA TIME. Plane resale is lower. Get a Lycoming.

[gmcjetpilot]

"Less weight" Not when installed compared to an aircooled Lyc. When compared to completed Lyc powered "RV's" the rotary & Subaru's weight 50-100lbs more. The rotary is the lighter of the conversions.

Fuel ECON? Its as bad or worse in planes as it is in cars.

You must add OIL to the gas for rotary engines. Guys haul a case of oil around. Yes a Lyc uses oil, typ 12-20 hours per qt.

Don't get me wrong, I love Mazda Wankel. Mom had a RX3 in the 70's. I bought a tired RX2 in high school.

[2jz4fun]

Thats your problem that you cant take care of a Wankel engine. Its about the owner not the car. Synthetic oil? Are you crazy? Carbon cant touch the rotors because they will blow.

[gmcjetpilot]

What are you talking about? You can run rotaries on regular oil, have for decades, but some rotary experts recommend against using synthetics (look it up).

Synthetics are "recommended" by Mazda, but the engine will run on any good grade oil. The reason Mazda recommends synthetic? They want to sell you special ($8/qt) Mazda oil or lower emissions, since the rotary burns oil, synthetic does no burn? If under warranty you may need to use synthetics.

You realize fuel, gasoline is CARBON.

[therealpodge]

Love it.Thanks for uploading!!

[IceDragon387]

nice vid aaron! but i must say...f*ck mazda (america) [corporate] and all there bullshit about them likeing the rx8....you no how many god damned comercials ive seen them advertising it? or newspaper ads or any ads? NONE!!!! THEY DONT GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT IT....SO FUCK THEM! i hope mazda buys themselves out soon...im tired of the way they treat the engine! i hope they buy them out and fire all the corporate guys in america! they all suck

[gmcjetpilot]

Calm DOWN! Gee how many car commercials do you see of Porsche? Lamborghini? Ferrari? BMW?

You don't target TV ads on sport cars. They're marketed spacifically to enthusiast. The old Mazda TV ads was when they where NEW to North America in the 70's and we had 3 TV channels. HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T ADVERTISE? Just because you don't F'ing see it doesn't mean s**t.

Shut up. RX8 is sports car with *LOW* MPG and needs oil added between oil changes, meaning ITS NOT THAT GOOD. Take your meds.

[IceDragon387]

i hate the rx8 it makes a mockery of the rex history your the one who needs to shut up fool..i do know they dont advertise..have you seen there mazdanomix bull shit? they dont mention the 8, nor do they ever in the papers or any other way...they wont because they know they fucked up already and your examples are retarded and poorly choosen, i see many porsche and BMW and why would the others waste money when only 1 in 100 can afford there cars? and your precious Z isnt all that far away in MPG

[gmcjetpilot]

Take your medication son, its just a fucking car asshole. BE HAPPY THEY PRODUCE IT AT ALL. They do it out of PRIDE YOU STUPID FUCK. It's not a commercial success, its their passion. I WAS a rotary enthusiast when DRIVING them in the 70's YOU SHIT HEAD.

The Z has more performance, better MPG and doesn't need oil jugs in your trunk to fill up the injector every other tank of gas constantly. That's all. I have a Porsche 993, bought used for less than a new RX8. My car appreciated in value. FU

[IceDragon387]

so that means you were smart..and now in your late age have gone stupid..for one thing your making the same mistake all the morons seem to make when talking about cars and performance...you bring up mpg..if i want a fast car im not gona give 2 shits about mpg...interesting i bought a used FD for far less then both those cars that will destroy your car too! oh...and theres very few cars that actually appreciate and im positive yours is not one of them..

[gmcjetpilot]

Good you don't care about gas milage, fine. When you grow up boy, make enough money to actually OWN a car, you will pay for gas. You'll have to move out of Mom's house & get a job.

As far as Mazda's marketing of the RX-8, GET OVER IT. In this economy, with high gas prices, a small sports car that gets low teens milage, is a hard sell, even if they did 24/7 TV Ads. Most people buy a car to drive, not as a toy.

MX-5 Miata sells WAY MORE than the RX-8. Its fun & cheaper.

[IceDragon387]

and yet you own a porche...and where the fuck do you live alaska? gas is cheap as hell...you really are that old that you cant do math? i dont live with my parents i already said i own 2 rx7s i obviously pay for gas and i do have a job that pays....i know its cheap for you..with aarp and all plus i guess you get a handicap sticker and you must live in a nursing home

[gmcjetpilot]

I own 5 cars, two motorcycles and an airplane. I can aford a Porsche. I drive it for fun, have collector insurance. I have an original '67 Camaro, two Acura's, VW Jetta TDI (turbo diesel 50 mpg), BMW R1150R & Kawasaki KDX250. Grow up, go to Grad school, work for +20 yrs, invest, than we'll talk. Bring your RX-8 (that lives in your dreams), will race for Pinks.

PS My Porsche 993 still gets same or better milage (w/ lite foot) than the RX-8. My 993 turned 13.4 sec/105 mph 1/4mi. Bring it.

[gmcjetpilot]

"precious Z isnt all that far away in MPG"

Yea and the 350Z has over 130hp more at the real wheel and well over TWICE the torque. Suck it.

[IceDragon387]

and double the weight so it balances out

[bomexsaturn]

and more than DOUBLE the displacement...along with pistons, cams, valves and all that other GARBAGE that can go wrong. rotary power is tits.

[gmcjetpilot]

You clearly have NEVER owned a Rotary with its delicate "O" or "Oh Shit" ring case seal and ultra delicate Apex seals. How reliable are modern engines with cams, valves, pistons......... VERY RELIABLE. Your argument is moot. If you are buying a RX8 for more reliability over say a Nissan or Honda, that is just a silly reason.

[bomexsaturn]

theres more to a rotary than Apex seals butthole...and ur right, i NEVER owned a rotary...ive owned THREE...and all three were fuckin awesome...regardless, ALL ENGINES WILL BREAK no matter who builds them, or how...nothing lasts forever so why not get a sweet as 1.3 liter that makes 250ish horsepower? that revs to 9500ish rpm? cuz ur gay and afraid of anything different. and if u dont like rotary power, why are you watchin this vid? cuz ur a jealous fucktard who sniffs shit from his own asshole.

[gmcjetpilot]

"gay", "fucktard", "sniffs shit from his own asshole"

A real rocket scientist. Besides the case seals I mentioned, if you knew ONE thing about rotaries, you'd know apex seals is the critical part.

"all three were fuckina wesome... regardless"

Wow real technical, insight to your genius? 250ish? 9500ish RPM. Your technical writing ability is fantastic-ish.

"afraid of anything different"

I've owned many Wankel's, since late 70's. I overhauled a burned out RX3 I bought in high school.

[IceDragon387]

i would have to guess this wasnt towards me...im just going to point out one thing....the apex seals are the critical part...and it is sometimes hard for them to stay fully functional because of the lack of lube. however they have come out with ceramic seals that are somewhere along the lines of 5 times stronger and more durable..plus the bonus that they dont need lubrication, they also build compression better.

[IceDragon387]

(ran out of room) it would be cool to see ceramic piston rings, but sadly at the moment with our current technology, it is impossible to make ceramic materials into a ring shape...which makes hydrogen piston engines hard to make because hydrogen breaks down oils..not impossible...just very difficult

[IceDragon387]

which is why my 87 rx7 has 200k miles on the original factory engine? with perfect compression? or am i making this up? go look on my page....see the blue rx7 spitting flames on the lift? thats mine....it says 200k right on the dash...

[gmcjetpilot]

I have 225,000k on my 1988 Acura legend. It still chirps tires from first to second.

Spitting flames is unburnt gas and why Wankel's are such gas hogs. What mileage? (I know you don't care about millage but humor me)? My RX8 buddy gets 18 mpg average (best). Of course he has to check the oil tank ever time he fills up. Ha ha ha ha. I NEVER PUT OIL IN MY CAR'S BETWEEN CHANGES. Wankel sales peaked in 1972. Today the sales are less than 1967 dispite a market that is 3 times as large. WHY?

[IceDragon387]

i get around 350 miles to the tank city/highway

[gmcjetpilot]

IceDragon387: "and double the weight so it balances out "

Lying is not going to win the day. Do you have a Google deficiency or do you just like to guess and/or lie?

RX8 = 3050 lbs *

Z350 = 3596 lbs **

Z370 = 3270 lbs **

* Mazda doesn't publish weight

** Near perfect 50/50 distribution

You say Double? Actual weight difference is only 6.7%, and your claim of double or 100% is quite different, by a large margin. Can you account for you stupidity or lying?

[bomexsaturn]

i dont rely on google for every question i have, i go from memory...you know, the thing we used to use before google was invented. but i guess since you cant think 4 urself you gotta google EVERYTHING. besides, i was exaggerating. google that word since you obviously dont know what it means

[gmcjetpilot]

Another baby, waa sniff.

"i guess since you cant think 4 urself(?) you gotta google EVERYTHING"

That's totally illogical. Before Google I used manuals, books, magazines and still do. What does using Google and checking facts have to do with NOT THINKING.

You just "exaggerated" and say whatever comes to your mind. That's what an IDIOT does. Your Daddy should have corrected you long ago. I'm afraid you'll be a life time liar, BS'er & loser with your bad habit & lack of charicter.

[IceDragon387]

funny how you describe yourself perfectly...listen...let me ask you something.....do you have any friends? because with an attitude like that...you must have had a very bad childhood and still dont have any friends

[geeflyboy]

You are not my friend internet troll.

[IceDragon387]

.....why did you reply to me for this?

[gmcjetpilot]

Another baby, waa sniff.

"i guess since you cant think 4 urself(?) you gotta google EVERYTHING"

That's totally illogical. Before Google I used manuals, books, magazines and still do. What does using Google and checking facts have to do with NOT THINKING.

You just "exaggerated" and say whatever comes to your mind. That's what an IDIOT does. Your Daddy should have corrected you long ago. I'm afraid you'll be a life time liar, BS'er & loser with your bad habit & lack of charicter.

[IceDragon387]

i dont use google...idiots like you write the things on those search results.....but besides that it actually seems rather foolish not to use all the resourses at your possesion...its also foolish fighting with me over something like this...and honestly you are acting really childish...its actually rather funny that someone as old as you are, is acting like this..i would expect this maybe from the honda kids..but not from the retirement home

[IceDragon387]

its also pretty sad that you cant think of anything else so you have to just copy and past...or did you just discover that feature and wanted to try it out?

[IceDragon387]

what the fuck is going on? i havent commented on this video in months? and now im getting attacked? havent you grown up yet old man? and first off grandpa i never compared the rx8 weight to the z i compared the FD which weighs about 2600 which is almost a whole thousand lbs less....secondfor someone who is old you talk alot like a middle schooler

[gmcjetpilot]

"i havent commented on this video in months? and now im getting attacked?"

Waa waa cry sniff waa. I was just late replying to you moron. grandpa? Kick your ass punk. Now go skulk off like the loser bitch you are, you are an idiot. $1000? Ha ha ha ha, out of how much? Peanuts. Now with the Z370, you can get a good deal on a Z350. The Z370 is a better car than the Z350 and the Z350 was a better overall car than the RX8. The Z370 and many sports cars are better than the RX7 or RX8, my opinion.

[IceDragon387]

what are you reading? get your reading glasses....i said one thousand lbs. do you know what that stands for..let me help..its pounds...as in weight....

[IceDragon387]

i think you should read the reviews on both the 350 and the rx8....not one review said it was a better overall car....it won in the straights, lost in the curves, lost in drivablility, and annoyed the shit out of the top gear folks with its droning exhaust...i wouldnt call that overall better..i call that barely making it by....so i dont know where your reading...or are you the one making things up

[bender420nj]

Thankx for the new vidz!

[Draelren]

Awesome find, thanks for the upload.

[aleesixstring]

thanks aaron for the post!

cant wait to get my hand on a 09 rx-8