You have to remember, the government ran a long smear campaign against marijuana in the 1920's/1930's (reefer madness). Unfortunately the children of that time have now grown old, are running our country, and have a firm belief that marijuana will make you want to kill people, turn you into a woman, and eat babies. In reality, it will make you eat and laugh, and that's about it. Alcohol is absolutely worse in every way.
I agree in principle, but this isn't true for everyone. Unfortunately, my experiences with marijuana have all been negative. I find the feeling it produces to be very unpleasant and even a bit frightening. It weighs very heavily on me. I wish it made me laugh. It's never done that for me. Not once. It actually makes me less relaxed and more agitated, even after trying it more than once. Everyone tells me it's so great, but for me, it just isn't. Kinda sucks, but w/e...
True that. Carl's point here is terrific too. It's perfectly in keeping with medical ethics: When you have someone who's terminally ill, the risk allowance for treatment increases. But ironically, since marijuana is so low-risk (similar to other safe anti-nauseants like, say, pepto-bismol) but also so effective at suppressing nausea, the argument for its use is that or many other contexts becomes overwhelming!
There are two things standing in the way of marijuana legalization. The public who wants it to be illegal, and the dumbasses who project the public persona of a useless, shiftless moron, upon which the public fear of the drug is based.
You are so attached to your biases its mad... We are having money issues because we spend so much to enforce something that shouldn't be enforced. That netherlands comment was the most absurd comment ever. According to surveys and studies: Americans were twice as likely to have tried marijuana than the Dutch. The fact that you said that Alcohol is ok, but then go on to complain about marijuana just shows how ignorant you are of the facts.
@juxsdo hold on now.. im not complaining about it.. im simply stating it that the majority of people would abuse it then not.. im all for weed for a special occasion but not for a daily bases like cigs or alchol which u can get anytime
@DriscolDevil .... again as i have previously posted and many brain cell dead ppl have marked me down for.. "IF IT WASN'T FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ABUSING IT I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT" if it was like a shot of vodka or 1 smoke a day yeah sure i dont mind.. but when you abuse it thats when i have a problem with.. and so far in my life i have seen more abuse then a simple smoke of weed.. ok. damn ppl read everything i type and not jump to conclusions
@thelittlemind and if people want to use it, abuse it or not use it at all then that should be their choice. The government has no right to stop people from smoking marijuana. none. Free country aint so free afterall
@Mike254h please point to me where it says in the constitution that in this free country you can do w/e u want.... a "free" country by your definition is anarchy... every goverment type besides anarchy will limit or restrict your freedoms in some way
@thelittlemind Except people abusing weed and cigarettes has no affect on your life, just like people "marking you down" which you seem to be obsessed over.
Get over yourself, we have the right to live our lives the way we want. Just because you were born into money, doesn't make you supreme ruler of human nature, get it?
Some of us that actually work and communicate without hitting caps lock and screaming deserve to relax a little.
@DriscolDevil i fully understand that.. but you need to also understand from my viewpoint.. i have seen weed fuck up some of my best friends... and i want to agree with you on legalizing but i just do not see the + side of it besides something the gov can tax a huge amount on
@thelittlemind How did it "fuck them up?" That's like saying we should make TV illegal because I have seen people get fucked up by it. Seriously they lost their jobs and killed themselves.
The thing that amazes me the most other than people that say alcohol is ok but marijuana is detrimental is the fact carl's work is used to teach many students in schools universities etc but for some reason he must be wrong when it comes to marijuana ? absolute madness !!
Weed is illegal in the USA, but having a gun is a right. Kinda weird, and I think the opposite would be better; no guns, and more chilled out people. For all we know, it might stop their war mongering nature and the world would be a lot more enjoyable for many people.
Ever think why people want to STOP all of their habits? Calling them bad habits, when it is their habits that make up the best that of life has to offer. I for one enjoy steak dinners, drinking booze, smoking and everything else that I find, I just don't do it often. My life consists of finding my next GOOD habit... But everything is best in moderation is true.
If you are going to force people to put what you want in their mouths, they should be able to force you to do the same thing. If not, then you are being inconsistent and thus you fail.
I would like to take an elitist stance for a minute: all the smart, rich, clean, professional, insightful, spiritually full members of humanity can and will gain and become better people from getting high off marijuana.
All the stupid and desperate people will gain nothing, and stand to get forced into a brutal cycle manufactured by the drug trade.
Carl Sagan has inspired me, a teenager who smokes weed ;) to study physics and mathematics and aspire to be an astro-physicist. This coming from a guy who, last year before seeing this series, hated all science classes. Since watching this series i have learnt all i could about science and the universe around us and it is astonishing. Thank you so much Carl Sagan you are truly one of the greatest men in the last century and i would give anything to be able to have a long discussion with you.
If they can kick your door in, terrorize your kids, shoot your dog and throw your ass in jail, why do you think they will end prohibition. The point is to terrorize. A cowed populous is a controlled populous. It is time to fight back in the war on drugs. Key their car, shit in their mail boxes, punch the living shit of them for a change. Enough is enough. Death to the DEA! And the R.ancid C.orrupt M.indless P.igs. Free the weed! Free Emery! F%ck the Tories!
@RunnerRunnerRun you dont your kids dealing with dealers? Legalize it... Just an fyi ... if your kids want something bad enough theyll get it anyways.. jus sayin
@Vatoaztecas see the thing is that they abuse it.. hes talking about people dying.. kids dont know what do do with anything their just kids.. i cannot tell you how many times i se kids who do weed, crack etc that end up f*cking up their lives.. they aren't normal anymore.. i rather have those high kids as a minority then a majority ina population in the states look at the netherlands their country is messed up now cause of this
@thelittlemind I hear you.. But why should it be.. That what i consume needs to be legislated... I never understood this concept.. If more people were properly educated then we would have an addiction problem this i can assure you..
@Vatoaztecas we are better educated on alcohol and smoking yet ppl abuse it.. education is not the problem.. its the person really.. if he or she wants to get high.. they get high but theres no switch in a person that says one smoke and quit.. you know.. im agaisnt simply because i see no value to it being legallized unless medically it provides something good and not a small fraction then again our knowledge on everything is really limited
@thelittlemind Making it illegal does nothing to stop the user from using, as you stated, because if people want it, they will get it. So why spend so much to stop something that's inevitable. The legalization of this substance is an argument over the effects the law(criminalizing) has on the society, as well as other societies that are effected by the others laws.(like how the US policies are devastating to Mexico). Look into Portugal's drug laws and see what legalization does!
@juxsdo i totally see ur point but also taking a look at the Netherlands.. Ever since the legalization its production rate of idustry was literally cut in half.. Mexico on the other hand has no strong goverment.. it is unable to control drug cartles (like usa with Al Capone) i simply against it cause i see no use besides $ and that seems stupid you know
@thelittlemind Very true.. You seem like at intelligent person.. Its up to that person, youre right but who are we to dictate what people can and cant consume.. Let um be. most drug users are very passive people.. Especially cannabis users.. and Yes cannabis has been proven to cure cancer and help with many other illnesses.. Look it up also check out Rick Simpsons Run from the Cure
@Vatoaztecas yeah true but the amount of cureness is low so it not used as a anitdot to anything... i but in all u mind as well let every have a gun you know i know thats extreme, but again as u and i both agree on its the person.. and unfortunatly the majority would abuse it and not try to do anythin productive with it
@thelittlemind would people abuse it? yes and in fact many people already do and will continue to DESPITE it already being illegal. But for you to say that no one would ever do anything productive is absurd. Hemp can be used as a more effective paper than trees (the constitution, still around today was written on hemp) and would stop deforestation, more effective and less harmfully prescription drugs could be formed from the study of 100's of cannabinoids in marijuana. It can boost the economy.
@thelittlemind not to offend you or anything but you really need to read up on the effects of criminalizing this drug. Do you understand how many people are wrongfully in prison? Do you understand how much money it cost to keep it illegal? It's not about whether YOU THINK MARIJUANA IS OK... its about the effects the laws have on a society. With your way of thinking alcohol and tobacco should still be illegal... Its time you start thinking outside your box...Our laws DON'T help us!
@juxsdo (part 1) hold on.. define wrongly... those people who are accused of doing marijuana by law are guilty.. im against it because i see no benefits. Tobacco on the other hand is about how its used.. Cigars and pipes actually have something to them while cigs are random stuff put together.. Alcohol is ok but the abuse is the stupidity that people uuse it.. How would legalizing it be helpful to society is what i want to know. (continueing in another msg)
@thelittlemind continued part 2. Netherlands has a population of 16million compared to the US's 300+million. Not only would a small tax generate millions if not billions of dollars to the government. Think of all the millions of JOBS the free market would create. Marijuana is a cash crop because it can grow almost anywhere resiliently and has so many uses. It was originally made illegal by lumber paper industries because it is a much cheaper resource than trees because they grow faster.continued
@YFGcomedy cash crop? dude its worth large money cause its illegal.. u can't grow it everywhere.. also im comparing the US to Neth because so far the Netherlands shows a GOOD example u idiot.. how many other countries legalized it? not many.. so what would you like me to show an example from? stereotype BS? hello read my words.. i said majority.. any fool would agree. as i have previously stated there are those who are able to control themselves.. -_- so ignorant to simple words
@juxsdo (part 2) when i take a look how some countries look after legalization (ex. Netherlands) they have money problems because no one has a job cause ppl are getting high.. now if it wasn't such a abused drug i can see it being one of those celebrate stuff but i see it mostly abused. now if it does legalize.. the gov can basiclly tax it like a box of cigs. and a lot of people would be broke... their really is no good background to legallizing it.. How does it affect society too?
@thelittlemind Your logic is flawed beyond reason. You support legal drugs but not weed because you believe weed will make everyone broke and lazy[stupid stereotype BS], while booze and cigs are killing millions trapping them in addiction when weed can't kill you or even be addicting.
Also your thinking is so 1 dimensional that the only benefit would be a tax and comparing the US and Netherlands would be mean drastically different things in legalization. Continued...
@thelittlemind continued part3. You obviously know nothing about the drug yet make such harsh criticisms of it because you don't think for yourself and don't bother to delve deeper through any information other propaganda or fail to truly analyze the data. Or you would know that currently it is illegal to research Cannabis in the US. A drug made up of more natural chemicals that aren't even all known that could be used to cure cancer or at least greatly combat it. So much potential wasted.
Carl sagan is my hero. This case is beyond illogical the government allows dia morphine to dying patients which is heroin in it's purest form, but not cannabis when it beneficial affects have been proven. I'm not saying stop dia morphine, but make both ok. But i also firmly believe cannabis should be a legal PLANT.
@drmrzrul12 The only problem with Marijuana is that it tends to be a "gateway drug", meaning that people who smoke it only to get high soon develop a resistance to its effects, and after a time, start seeking new, more powerful and dangerous ways to get that same high. Marijuana is not addictive nor does it have any severely detrimental health effects, but it is still dangerous in the role it plays in drawing people into more harmful drugs, and narcotics.
@RunnerRunnerRun What you just said is like claiming that owning a gun to hunt deer is a gateway weapon that leads to wanting to murder fellow people. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. People are the ones that make the choice to move on to harder drugs. They are the gateway. The fact that you are able to make your own choices and practice morals is proof of that. Besides, why the hell do you care what people choose to consume? People like you freak me out.
@Ajnin42 Believe me, I will never tell a person to stop smoking Marijuana. It'a perfectly safe drug, much, MUCH safer than alcohol, and is great for broadening one's mind. But my worry is that kids and teenagers my own age are too weak to resist the gateway the Marijuana provides- through the dealer. Because the dealer always "knows someone" who has the "heavier stuff." And teenagers, wanting a bigger high, go for the more dangerous hit. The original dealer takes a cut of the profits, he wins.
@RunnerRunnerRun That really sounds more like the plotline to a '90's PSA segment! Maybe where you are from dealers are like that, but here in washington state, most of them are just people that love smoking weed and figure they can make a buck at it and/or spread some joy. Compared to what I have experienced in the western half of the country, that scenario is so far from the norm its not even funny. Then again, I'm in WA mostly so maybe we are just more chill up here.
@vertigo0331 My mother's fiancee grows a small amount of Marijuana in his basement, mostly for him and mother, who use to it help ease severe pains- My mother has very serious kidney problems, and he has lived a long life of physical labor. They are, as you would say, very "chill" about the whole ideal. But ask most dealers I've met, and they will do nearly anything to get to you to buy more of anything and everything they have, even if they're your best friend.
@RunnerRunnerRun Yes, it is a Gateway drug, how Convenient!!! Why???? BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL!!!! Think, If alcohol was illegal and pot was legalized,you'd have to buy beer/wine/booze from a "DEALER", aka the ones selling the next level of narcotics, now alcohol is the Gateway drug isn't it? I don't even smoke pot, cause i prefer alcohol, NEVER HAVE I BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT BUYING ANY DRUGS GOING TO THE STORE TO GET BEER/WINE OR BOOZE!!
@SoulSurferGS8 You have a valid argument. But the choice always lies with the person. They can say no. But chances are, if they smoke Marijuana for fun, only to get high, then they're going to develop an immunity to its effects. And when given the option, which, with dealers, they are, the will move to more powerful drugs. When people use Marijuana to broaden their mind, like Sagan, the chances of them moving to more powerful drugs is infinitely slimmer. You're not wrong, my friend, far from it.
@RunnerRunnerRun studies have found that about less that 1% of cannabis users went on to try heroin or cocaine once. The gateway theory has been debunked again and again scientifically. There is no proven substance to be found in cannabis that leads an individual to go on to use other, harder drugs.
@cbassizle I don't believe the gateway theory is debunked, because it works both ways. While most Marijuana smokers do stay with Marijuana, a drug that is entirely harmless, if not beneficial, almost all people I have ever talked to who have done hard drugs like cocaine, heroin, or some other dangerous narcotic have ALL told me that for them, Marijuana was not enough to get them high. Now, these people were typically only using Marijuana to get high, unlike Sagan here, who used it for good.
@RunnerRunnerRun That "gateway drug" thing is bullshit cooked up by the government.. One could say the same thing about any other kind of "drug" including the last legal casual drug, alcohol (which is much more dangerous and harmful than Marijuana).. And don't even get me started on prescription drugs! They are the TRUE gateway drugs.. Not weed. But they're fine because the government makes big $ on them, and that's the only thing that matters to them.. The money. not us.
@bliglum Prescription drugs LITERALLY save lives.However, you are more than right. The fact of Marijuana being a "gateway drug" comes down much more to the person than it does to the actual drug. However, almost every single one of the people I know who take or have taken incredibly dangerous narcotics, like cocaine or heroin, have all started with Marijuana, and all said the same thing to me: "Weed just wasn't enough." And you're right, alcohol is downright DEADLY, because of its causality.
@RunnerRunnerRun actually statistics show that 75% of weed smokers do not move on to anything else. Not to mention all of the other drugs are less popular.
@MegaBigdawg75 Yes, but out of the thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands who smoke Marijuana worldwide, even a small number of 5% of those smokers "moving on" to harder and more dangerous drugs still represents an extremely large market. Also, don't fool yourself into thinking that "less popular" means "less of a threat." Narcotics can be linked to a surprisingly large amount of crimes and murders somehow. The use of any drugs can also cause strife in families, and this itself is a danger.
@jshowa7 That is absolutely ridiculous. Now unless you have some evidence to back your argument, then you've stopped at the wrong video. There's huge evidence about the benefits of marijuana and apparently the American media's brainwashing techniques work quite well on you. You can't argue with only your beliefs, you must present evidence and you have none. Sorry!
Allowing the government to make any laws against any of our freedoms is ludicrous and is exactly how we ended up in the awful police state we're in. Look around us, "big brother is watching you" - how true that statement has become! There's tons of evidence about the benefits of marijuana and the absolute usefulness of hemp. People need to stop believing what they hear and find real evidence to learn for yourself. Marijuana increases the pineal, which increases awareness - Fact! Wake up! Peace
@4evalovenpeace I'm sure you'd say the same thing about cigarettes and alcohol too. Maybe one day humanity will stop thinking that the right to do drugs is a humanitarian right, regardless of how negatively it effects others and themselves.
Look marijuana is harmless if done in moderation. Food makes you fat if you over eat but your not gonna say food is bad. Watching TV every day, every hour is bad for you but TV in itself is not bad. Also, marijuana is not in the same camp as alcohol, coke, meth, heroine. Those hard drugs fuck u up no matter the usage so lets make that distinction. Hope this enlightens JSHOWA7
@RGOC2012 true that. if driven recklessly, a car will kill you quicker than just about anything. chainsaws have also maimed many people. table saws have severed countless fingers over the decades. BUT, if used properly, responsibly, and with care, these things can be extremely useful and helpful, and, ultimately, arguably indispensable at their respective functions. just like marijuana. it's all about being responsible and knowing how to operate whatever tools you have at your disposal.
@jshowa7@jshowa7 i've been a casual marijuana smoker for about 15 years know. I eat healthy, exercise regularly and I am healthy. How do I know? my doctors says so. I know from EXPERIENCE, I dont care about "studies" or anything else. The key here is moderation, thats it. Smoke some herb bud, stop breaking your head and chilax.
@sixstringCM06 You can continue to circle jerk yourselves, or you can actually give me the citation so I could look at it. Unlike you, I'm actually open to other evidence.
There's pot smokers in every group and just about every religion and every profession. People need to grow up and realize this stuff is not going to diminish us or bring us down at any level if it were to be legalized. People who want to get it have no problem getting, at all. The government is living in the past and does not want to admit to making a mistake on this one. Just like prohibition was a mistake. It's time to move forward people.
@drmrzrul12 Makes me wish tobacco was outlawed. I mean what kind of individual would start recreational use of a drug with many known side effects is the epitome of irrationality. Even though it reduces pain in some diseases medically, I would still be apprehensive because of its risks to the brain from dependence as a pain reliever.
@jshowa7 I don't understand were your coming from. Marijuana is not physically addictive and that has been proven. Narcotics are physically addicting i.e. physical withdrawls. Ask anybody who smokes on a regualr basis if they start sweating or feeling dizzy or anything like that because they need a fix? It's obvious you don't know what your talking about at all my friend.
@drmrzrul12 Even if it was to be used medically, it should be under strict medical regulation, not be made OTC, and should be made as a last resort by prescription only because of its narcotic nature.
Huh, I think it must have been something in the formatting of the message, specifically the arrows used by M-W that kept me from being able to post. And here I thought I'd been banned from posting by the video uploading lol. Bizarre
CONT: and then as the given example "decriminalize the possession of marijuana ".I even gave you the definition of "legalize" right after to show t/difference
@jshowa7 Hah who are you trying to convince at this point, me or yourself? I know what he meant because of his choice of words and the fact that Decriminalize =/= Legalize. If you'd cared to read a little more of that definition I linked you to you'd have seen "especially : to repeal a strict ban on while keeping under some form of regulation"
@RattyRandnums "Decriminalize =/= legalize" not according to the definitions I posted and the definition you posted, which says this "to remove or reduce the criminal classification or status of" something you conveniently left out. Remember, especially does not mean always. And if the definition includes "removal" then it can degenerate into legalization.
@RattyRandnums Then please, explain to me why there are several other definitions, including the ones I've posted, that say something completely different.
@jshowa7 I don't have to explain to you why other people use it more loosely. In legal terms the fact that he uses "decriminalize" instead of "legalize" makes his intentions clear enough. And as I think I said before it wouldn't matter anyway, like every politician he'll say whatever it takes to get certain groups to support him. Remember Obama promising to close Guantanamo Bay as one of his first acts in office? Now he sends people there.
@jshowa7 I suppose I just allowed the spirit of Sagan to get into me a bit. Feeling like I should tell people when they're mistaken or misinterpreting something, for the purposes of increasing understanding of an important issue so they can make more informed decisions/judgements. When you came in saying I was wrong, I tried to explain the validity of my statments to you but it's been like talking to a wall. You're determined to believe what you want to believe that has become plain enough.
silly Carl, you can't talk about rationality with respect to how our laws are drafted. there is no rationale connected to anti-drug enforcement. anyone who is against the legalization of marijuana (not just for medical use) is either supremely ignorant or willfully stupid.
there is no middle ground. if you know anything about the war on drugs, it's history, or have firsthand experience with marijuana, then you know how ridiculous all of this is.
@sixstringCM06 And when did I do this? Maybe you should have a little courage and actually look up some of the peer reviewed literature on marijuana and read it. Of course, you wouldn't want your unfounded beliefs to be challenged, oh no, that's way to risky...
Better to believe in a authority figure like Carl Sagan (whose been dead for over 15 years) then actual current research available today.
@jshowa7 your ignorance precedes you. anyone who has ever read a monthly medical research journal knows that marijuana has been studied thousands of times by peer-reviewed scientists all over the world. the medical and scientific consensus is that marijuana clearly provides a wide variety of beneficial side effects ranging from its analgesic properties to its support of the immune and metabolic systems.
@jshowa7 really, before you attempt to reply again and make another fool of yourself, just do a little reading. it's not hard to find out how wrong you are.
@sixstringCM06 Unfortunately, one paper isn't sufficient enough evidence to be justifiable. Unfortunately, it isn't peer-reviewed and it comes from a bias organization. I suggest you examine the peer-reviewed literature from google scholar or pub med. Or, you could watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=gwmWZvBThGY
However, I will examine the paper and it associated references and will get back with you.
it's a summary of hundreds of papers. NORML is biased but that doesn't mean it's information is wrong. Medial Pro/Con is not biased at all. it's a collective of the sum total of factual data on THC.
anyone living in the real world, especially anyone who has actually tried pot, knows full well that it's essentially harmless (aside from the smoke) and has a wide array of beneficial medical properties. the only reason it's illegal is racism and economics.
@sixstringCM06 It is not a summary of 100's of papers. There were only 52 papers listed in the reference section. It is true that marijuana has some positive effect against relieving pain for diseases. However, these were given through oromucosal sprays medically and NOT BY SMOKING IT.
@sixstringCM06 "anyone living in the real world, especially anyone who has actually tried pot, knows full well that it's essentially harmless (aside from the smoke) and has a wide array of beneficial medical properties." The only benefit I've seen is that it relieves pain, and anyone who thinks pot is "essentially harmless" is truly ignorant.
@sixstringCM06 And this is exactly which you condoned in a previous comment, "anyone who is against the legalization of marijuana (not just for medical use) is either supremely ignorant or willfully stupid." - sixstringCM06
@jshowa7 I don't know why you're hung up on how the THC is applied. because the same effects are achieved regardless. it can be smoked, vaporized, eaten, or sprayed into the nostrils and each of these methods will produce the desired effect.
the only harm that marijuana has been shown to cause is a slightly elevated risk of certain types of cancer associated with smoke inhalation/carbon combustion. and even this small risk can be circumvented if you stick to vaporizing or THC edibles.
@sixstringCM06 Have you watched the video yet? Did you even type cannabis into google scholar or pubmed? Do you understand the complications of schizophrenia/psychosis, impaired lung function, impaired driving, and addiction are? A slightly increased risk of cancer, of which I'm not sure if its only slight as you haven't provided a source for such thing, is not the only negative effect resulting from recreational use.
@jshowa7 I don't need to watch a youtube video when I've got real sources for everything that most people already know.
just google: marijuana lung study 2012
casual marijuana use does not harm the lungs or increase cancer risk any more than tobacco use, in fact, according to the study above (20 years double blind) it is actually less harmful than tobacco. and of course we're still only talking about smoking. you can virtually eliminate these risks with vaporization or edibles.
@sixstringCM06 That isn't a proper citation. Could you please give me a link? Most of the peer reviewed literature says otherwise. And the fact that you won't even look at my source makes your bias glaringly obvious.
@jshowa7 they should create a new country where they use it to throw in paranoid irrational ppl such as urself. ppl such as urself need to be contained becus ignorance is detrimental to society ..
@RGOC2012 I'm sorry, but I tend to not recreational use substances that can potentially harm my body. If that's irrational, then you must be living in a fantasy land.
@sixstringCM06 Not too mention the most logical conclusion, if you don't smoke it, you don't get an increased risk of ANY of those problems, eliminating genetic reception and other confounders.
@sixstringCM06 Not too mention the most logical conclusion, if you don't smoke it, you don't get an increased risk of ANY of those problems, eliminating genetic reception and other confounders.
Why do you people talk as if you know anything at all about the effects of marijuana on a cancer patient unless you, yourself, have been through the stages of cancer? Go ask any cancer patient who has used marijuana as a crutch and what they think of it. You won't find one patient saying it did them worse and yet the government still refuses to let people use marijuana. And trust me, it's not because the government is looking out for us.
I don't agree with Carl Sagan's point on giving people who have cancer or AIDS marijuana because they are dying. There is a reason why people go into remission from cancer, and it is because of the chemotherapy and radiation treatments even though it harms them. Also, most cancers are terminal, but people can survive them because of a misdiagnosis or treatment as described above. I don't think Carl Sagan knows about medicine enough to make such a definitive conclusion.
@jshowa7 I just think there is more variable that that, just vitamin D deficiency for instance and I'm not sure what you mean by marijuana doesn't last? You mean it can't help or?
@jshowa7 it's not meant as a replacement for radiation or chemo-therapies. to suggest so is moronic. administering cannabis in terminal cancer or AIDS patients eases nausea (caused by radiation/chemo-therapies), aids appetite and generally improves mood.
@sharkbeeth Well actually it could be used as a replacement, THC injected into tumor cells cuts off the blood supply of the tumor, making it shrink and it induces cell death in mutated cells while protecting the regular cells around the mutated tissue. Look it up, it's all been proven in studies.
@KreatorRage i wasn't actually aware of that, but still; i think sagan is talking about actual medical marjiuana being administered as an added treatment. ie for smoking or eating. THC being directly injected in its pure form is a bit different.
@jshowa7 Sagan didn't advocate "giving people who have cancer or AIDS marijuana because they are dying," so you disagreeing with him is pointless. He commented on the absurdity of denying a patient access to a helpful medicine out of some misbegotten idea that you're saving them from a fictional addiction. If you assumed that he was suggesting marijuana instead of chemo or radiation, you should listen harder. Sagan definitely knew more than you do about medicine.
@superjay42 How do you conclude that Carl Sagan knew more about medicine? He's not even in the medical field! He's an astrophysicist! That's like saying an auto mechanic knows about home repair just because they happen to be in the repair field. Under your logic, I'm sure you'd hire a auto mechanic to fix your house.
@superjay42 And notice, the main reason he said to give marijuana to people was for comfort because of their, possibly fatal, disease. That was the main crux of this entire video.
Not to mention, this is from the 70's there have been a lot more studies done on the effects of marijuana that show it is a) addictive, b) leads to schizophrenia, c) impairs long term memory, d) impairs driving, and many more, all in peer reviewed literature (i.e. the bread and butter of science).
@jshowa7 You left out some information on our knowledge today of marijuana.
It is emotionally addictive, not physically. It can rarely trigger schizophrenia under certain conditions based on your genetic information. High doses of marijuana can temporarily impair long term memory.
And the impair driving thing is hardly related, the caffeine in the coffee you drink in the morning impairs your driving just as much, if not more.
@jshowa7 You only care about the "EVIDENCE" ehh, well it seems to me that you have been brainwashed successfully. You stated that you did not care about someone's "word". I have some shocking news for you then the "evidence" against marijuana that you claim is true, has been force fed to you by the ones who have criminalized it. incase you dont understand, which i believe you wont. You are taking someones word that Marijuana is bad. you might want to rethink your outlook on life.
@OhIAmCanadianEh It's pretty clear that you misunderstood me. What I meant by someones word, is that I don't care about what people say if they don't have the data to back it up. For example, if you had a friend lying in pain from a wound and someone came up and said they had a powdery substance that could heal the wound if applied, would you let them do it? I would hope not.
@OhIAmCanadianEh This comment is an excellent example, there is zero justification for it and is only based on your emotional impulse, therefore it isn't objective. You only think its justifiable, because it feels good, which is a terrible justification because it isn't based on evidence and experimentation. For example, eating junk food feels good, however it leads to complications later in life if over used, which is exactly what people do when they smoke marijuana.
@OhIAmCanadianEh So yes, I'm going to take the evidence of peer-reviewed journals and researchers which are mostly funded through universities by people who know way more about it than I do. That's the reason why you take your car into a mechanic, have a builder build your house, see your doctor when you're sick, etc.
@TheQoolKid In physics, not in medicine. And it isn't his fault for not knowing, as most of the evidence on the effects of marijuana is within the past 10 to 20 years..
@OhIAmCanadianEh Oh, and you might want to check your "conspiracy theory" idea of people criminalizing marijuana for the sake of doing it as a sign to lay off smoking it (if you do). After all, smoking it can cause schizophrenia, and I'll leave that word for you to look up in order to understand what I mean.
@jshowa7 Unfortunately, you're just making things up now (I'd love to hear more about all these studies, but strangely you've failed to cite any). If by "comfort" you mean "so they can keep food down and continue chemotherapy," then yeah, sure. But you're deliberately mischaracterizing his statement. Even if marijuana WAS addictive, we legally use plenty of addictive or otherwise harmful drugs for medical purposes, right? Morphine, other opiates, etc. Don't let your dogma blind you.
@superjay42@JessAlexanderD Yeah, except morphine is given in controlled doses for a limited time. Marijuana users typically smoke regularly and do so for long periods of time. If you want the sources, here they are, just watch the video:
@jshowa7 And marijuana as medicine IS given in controlled doses for a limited time.That's what Sagan is talking about. You have to realize that cannibis as medicine is no different from opiates like morphine as medicine. It's incredibly foolish to prevent a plant with demonstrated medical benefits from your pharmaceutical toolkit based on ignorance and superstition. You seem to equate cannibis use in any context as unfettered, constant abuse, which is a regrettable limitation.
@superjay42 Yeah, because you have to put in prefix of the address and take out the extra chars. because youtube won't allow full link posting in comments. So yes, it's unfortunate that you don't know the components of a website address.
@superjay42 Just because marijuana may perform a similar function to another drug, does not mean it should be used. There has to be a cost benefit/risk analysis. And considering the overwhelming evidence for its negative side effects in the peer-reviewed literature, you'd be hard pressed to introduce it as a substitute for morphine.
Of course, a majority of the public is mentally incompetent, so you'd probably have no problem accomplishing that.
@superjay42 If you honestly think marijuana wouldn't be abused, you must be extremely dense. My state legalized the medical use of marijuana and guess what happened, I hear radio advertisements all the time about grow shops and not needing a medical justification to get your weed, so yeah, it gets abused. Not to mention, there are other drugs that perform specific effects without the negative side affects of marijuana.
Governments work for us. They have no right to tell us how we can spend our own money. If I wanted some powerful weed to cook with my dinner, I should be able to go to a store and buy it, just like other people can buy powerful whiskey at their local liquor store.
I wish I could have smoke a joint with the Professor and ponder the mysteries of the Universe as we puff away!
deeppurple28 11 hours ago
You have to remember, the government ran a long smear campaign against marijuana in the 1920's/1930's (reefer madness). Unfortunately the children of that time have now grown old, are running our country, and have a firm belief that marijuana will make you want to kill people, turn you into a woman, and eat babies. In reality, it will make you eat and laugh, and that's about it. Alcohol is absolutely worse in every way.
rsmith1240 2 days ago 2
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I agree in principle, but this isn't true for everyone. Unfortunately, my experiences with marijuana have all been negative. I find the feeling it produces to be very unpleasant and even a bit frightening. It weighs very heavily on me. I wish it made me laugh. It's never done that for me. Not once. It actually makes me less relaxed and more agitated, even after trying it more than once. Everyone tells me it's so great, but for me, it just isn't. Kinda sucks, but w/e...
icarus313 2 days ago
@icarus313 yea i actually can relate to that. but the beauty about freedom and weed is that if u dont like it, you simply don't smoke it.
avithemostill 1 day ago
@avithemostill
True that. Carl's point here is terrific too. It's perfectly in keeping with medical ethics: When you have someone who's terminally ill, the risk allowance for treatment increases. But ironically, since marijuana is so low-risk (similar to other safe anti-nauseants like, say, pepto-bismol) but also so effective at suppressing nausea, the argument for its use is that or many other contexts becomes overwhelming!
icarus313 1 day ago
In Sagan we Trust
RectalDiscourse 3 days ago
There are two things standing in the way of marijuana legalization. The public who wants it to be illegal, and the dumbasses who project the public persona of a useless, shiftless moron, upon which the public fear of the drug is based.
TheSmackerlacker 3 days ago
Smoke weed erriday
Fishdogpigsquirrel 3 days ago
he tokes some goo shit
silverballer1911 6 days ago
You are so attached to your biases its mad... We are having money issues because we spend so much to enforce something that shouldn't be enforced. That netherlands comment was the most absurd comment ever. According to surveys and studies: Americans were twice as likely to have tried marijuana than the Dutch. The fact that you said that Alcohol is ok, but then go on to complain about marijuana just shows how ignorant you are of the facts.
juxsdo 6 days ago
@juxsdo hold on now.. im not complaining about it.. im simply stating it that the majority of people would abuse it then not.. im all for weed for a special occasion but not for a daily bases like cigs or alchol which u can get anytime
thelittlemind 4 days ago
@thelittlemind Why not? Why is alcohol and cigarettes ok but weed not?
DriscolDevil 4 days ago
@DriscolDevil .... again as i have previously posted and many brain cell dead ppl have marked me down for.. "IF IT WASN'T FOR THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ABUSING IT I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT" if it was like a shot of vodka or 1 smoke a day yeah sure i dont mind.. but when you abuse it thats when i have a problem with.. and so far in my life i have seen more abuse then a simple smoke of weed.. ok. damn ppl read everything i type and not jump to conclusions
thelittlemind 3 days ago
@thelittlemind and if people want to use it, abuse it or not use it at all then that should be their choice. The government has no right to stop people from smoking marijuana. none. Free country aint so free afterall
Mike254h 3 days ago
@Mike254h please point to me where it says in the constitution that in this free country you can do w/e u want.... a "free" country by your definition is anarchy... every goverment type besides anarchy will limit or restrict your freedoms in some way
thelittlemind 1 day ago
@thelittlemind from where I come from people don't really abuse weed. Its hard to do so. People abuse alcohol and cigarrette more yet its legal.
HajtomY 3 days ago
@HajtomY everyone comes from a different background i guess
thelittlemind 1 day ago
@thelittlemind Except people abusing weed and cigarettes has no affect on your life, just like people "marking you down" which you seem to be obsessed over.
Get over yourself, we have the right to live our lives the way we want. Just because you were born into money, doesn't make you supreme ruler of human nature, get it?
Some of us that actually work and communicate without hitting caps lock and screaming deserve to relax a little.
DriscolDevil 3 days ago
@DriscolDevil i fully understand that.. but you need to also understand from my viewpoint.. i have seen weed fuck up some of my best friends... and i want to agree with you on legalizing but i just do not see the + side of it besides something the gov can tax a huge amount on
thelittlemind 1 day ago
@thelittlemind How did it "fuck them up?" That's like saying we should make TV illegal because I have seen people get fucked up by it. Seriously they lost their jobs and killed themselves.
DriscolDevil 11 hours ago
The thing that amazes me the most other than people that say alcohol is ok but marijuana is detrimental is the fact carl's work is used to teach many students in schools universities etc but for some reason he must be wrong when it comes to marijuana ? absolute madness !!
MUSTAVATUG 1 week ago
Weed is illegal in the USA, but having a gun is a right. Kinda weird, and I think the opposite would be better; no guns, and more chilled out people. For all we know, it might stop their war mongering nature and the world would be a lot more enjoyable for many people.
Helleu1 1 week ago
Ever think why people want to STOP all of their habits? Calling them bad habits, when it is their habits that make up the best that of life has to offer. I for one enjoy steak dinners, drinking booze, smoking and everything else that I find, I just don't do it often. My life consists of finding my next GOOD habit... But everything is best in moderation is true.
durwinpocha 1 week ago
If you are going to force people to put what you want in their mouths, they should be able to force you to do the same thing. If not, then you are being inconsistent and thus you fail.
sniped101 1 week ago
I would like to take an elitist stance for a minute: all the smart, rich, clean, professional, insightful, spiritually full members of humanity can and will gain and become better people from getting high off marijuana.
All the stupid and desperate people will gain nothing, and stand to get forced into a brutal cycle manufactured by the drug trade.
Valid or invalid?
teleflopps 1 week ago
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Carl Sagan has inspired me, a teenager who smokes weed ;) to study physics and mathematics and aspire to be an astro-physicist. This coming from a guy who, last year before seeing this series, hated all science classes. Since watching this series i have learnt all i could about science and the universe around us and it is astonishing. Thank you so much Carl Sagan you are truly one of the greatest men in the last century and i would give anything to be able to have a long discussion with you.
sirsagan 1 week ago
If they can kick your door in, terrorize your kids, shoot your dog and throw your ass in jail, why do you think they will end prohibition. The point is to terrorize. A cowed populous is a controlled populous. It is time to fight back in the war on drugs. Key their car, shit in their mail boxes, punch the living shit of them for a change. Enough is enough. Death to the DEA! And the R.ancid C.orrupt M.indless P.igs. Free the weed! Free Emery! F%ck the Tories!
EattherichBuddy 2 weeks ago
This argument should make everybody want to dismantle the justice system just on simple principle.
norevelation 2 weeks ago
@RunnerRunnerRun you dont your kids dealing with dealers? Legalize it... Just an fyi ... if your kids want something bad enough theyll get it anyways.. jus sayin
Vatoaztecas 2 weeks ago
@Vatoaztecas see the thing is that they abuse it.. hes talking about people dying.. kids dont know what do do with anything their just kids.. i cannot tell you how many times i se kids who do weed, crack etc that end up f*cking up their lives.. they aren't normal anymore.. i rather have those high kids as a minority then a majority ina population in the states look at the netherlands their country is messed up now cause of this
thelittlemind 1 week ago
@thelittlemind I hear you.. But why should it be.. That what i consume needs to be legislated... I never understood this concept.. If more people were properly educated then we would have an addiction problem this i can assure you..
Vatoaztecas 1 week ago
@Vatoaztecas we are better educated on alcohol and smoking yet ppl abuse it.. education is not the problem.. its the person really.. if he or she wants to get high.. they get high but theres no switch in a person that says one smoke and quit.. you know.. im agaisnt simply because i see no value to it being legallized unless medically it provides something good and not a small fraction then again our knowledge on everything is really limited
thelittlemind 1 week ago
@thelittlemind Making it illegal does nothing to stop the user from using, as you stated, because if people want it, they will get it. So why spend so much to stop something that's inevitable. The legalization of this substance is an argument over the effects the law(criminalizing) has on the society, as well as other societies that are effected by the others laws.(like how the US policies are devastating to Mexico). Look into Portugal's drug laws and see what legalization does!
juxsdo 1 week ago
@juxsdo i totally see ur point but also taking a look at the Netherlands.. Ever since the legalization its production rate of idustry was literally cut in half.. Mexico on the other hand has no strong goverment.. it is unable to control drug cartles (like usa with Al Capone) i simply against it cause i see no use besides $ and that seems stupid you know
thelittlemind 1 week ago
@thelittlemind Very true.. You seem like at intelligent person.. Its up to that person, youre right but who are we to dictate what people can and cant consume.. Let um be. most drug users are very passive people.. Especially cannabis users.. and Yes cannabis has been proven to cure cancer and help with many other illnesses.. Look it up also check out Rick Simpsons Run from the Cure
Vatoaztecas 1 week ago
@Vatoaztecas yeah true but the amount of cureness is low so it not used as a anitdot to anything... i but in all u mind as well let every have a gun you know i know thats extreme, but again as u and i both agree on its the person.. and unfortunatly the majority would abuse it and not try to do anythin productive with it
thelittlemind 1 week ago
@thelittlemind would people abuse it? yes and in fact many people already do and will continue to DESPITE it already being illegal. But for you to say that no one would ever do anything productive is absurd. Hemp can be used as a more effective paper than trees (the constitution, still around today was written on hemp) and would stop deforestation, more effective and less harmfully prescription drugs could be formed from the study of 100's of cannabinoids in marijuana. It can boost the economy.
YFGcomedy 1 week ago
@thelittlemind I see your logic and youre prolly right but we should leave it up to the people.. I think we're almost ready to think for ourselves ;)
Vatoaztecas 1 week ago
@Vatoaztecas hopefully.. thank you for opening my eyes as well as understanding me
thelittlemind 6 days ago
@thelittlemind You too my friend.. May your travels be safe.. :D
Vatoaztecas 4 days ago
@thelittlemind not to offend you or anything but you really need to read up on the effects of criminalizing this drug. Do you understand how many people are wrongfully in prison? Do you understand how much money it cost to keep it illegal? It's not about whether YOU THINK MARIJUANA IS OK... its about the effects the laws have on a society. With your way of thinking alcohol and tobacco should still be illegal... Its time you start thinking outside your box...Our laws DON'T help us!
juxsdo 1 week ago
@juxsdo (part 1) hold on.. define wrongly... those people who are accused of doing marijuana by law are guilty.. im against it because i see no benefits. Tobacco on the other hand is about how its used.. Cigars and pipes actually have something to them while cigs are random stuff put together.. Alcohol is ok but the abuse is the stupidity that people uuse it.. How would legalizing it be helpful to society is what i want to know. (continueing in another msg)
thelittlemind 1 week ago
@thelittlemind continued part 2. Netherlands has a population of 16million compared to the US's 300+million. Not only would a small tax generate millions if not billions of dollars to the government. Think of all the millions of JOBS the free market would create. Marijuana is a cash crop because it can grow almost anywhere resiliently and has so many uses. It was originally made illegal by lumber paper industries because it is a much cheaper resource than trees because they grow faster.continued
YFGcomedy 1 week ago
@YFGcomedy cash crop? dude its worth large money cause its illegal.. u can't grow it everywhere.. also im comparing the US to Neth because so far the Netherlands shows a GOOD example u idiot.. how many other countries legalized it? not many.. so what would you like me to show an example from? stereotype BS? hello read my words.. i said majority.. any fool would agree. as i have previously stated there are those who are able to control themselves.. -_- so ignorant to simple words
thelittlemind 6 days ago
@juxsdo (part 2) when i take a look how some countries look after legalization (ex. Netherlands) they have money problems because no one has a job cause ppl are getting high.. now if it wasn't such a abused drug i can see it being one of those celebrate stuff but i see it mostly abused. now if it does legalize.. the gov can basiclly tax it like a box of cigs. and a lot of people would be broke... their really is no good background to legallizing it.. How does it affect society too?
thelittlemind 1 week ago
@thelittlemind Your logic is flawed beyond reason. You support legal drugs but not weed because you believe weed will make everyone broke and lazy[stupid stereotype BS], while booze and cigs are killing millions trapping them in addiction when weed can't kill you or even be addicting.
Also your thinking is so 1 dimensional that the only benefit would be a tax and comparing the US and Netherlands would be mean drastically different things in legalization. Continued...
YFGcomedy 1 week ago
@thelittlemind continued part3. You obviously know nothing about the drug yet make such harsh criticisms of it because you don't think for yourself and don't bother to delve deeper through any information other propaganda or fail to truly analyze the data. Or you would know that currently it is illegal to research Cannabis in the US. A drug made up of more natural chemicals that aren't even all known that could be used to cure cancer or at least greatly combat it. So much potential wasted.
YFGcomedy 1 week ago
@YFGcomedy Man... Relax!
SilentEcho8 1 week ago
lol where is cindybin2001
MegaBigdawg75 2 weeks ago
@MegaBigdawg75 lmao, she is such a nut.
truthseeker010101 2 weeks ago
@MegaBigdawg75 She will be here shortly, no doubt.
EattherichBuddy 2 weeks ago
S.W.E.D.E.N.
SMOKE WEED EVERY DAY EVERY NIGHT! XD
0dus 2 weeks ago
Carl sagan is my hero. This case is beyond illogical the government allows dia morphine to dying patients which is heroin in it's purest form, but not cannabis when it beneficial affects have been proven. I'm not saying stop dia morphine, but make both ok. But i also firmly believe cannabis should be a legal PLANT.
88Cardey 2 weeks ago
love sagan
lanuevagranada 3 weeks ago
15 dislikes work for the CIA
IxtlyQuetzquatyl 3 weeks ago
@drmrzrul12 The only problem with Marijuana is that it tends to be a "gateway drug", meaning that people who smoke it only to get high soon develop a resistance to its effects, and after a time, start seeking new, more powerful and dangerous ways to get that same high. Marijuana is not addictive nor does it have any severely detrimental health effects, but it is still dangerous in the role it plays in drawing people into more harmful drugs, and narcotics.
RunnerRunnerRun 3 weeks ago
@RunnerRunnerRun What you just said is like claiming that owning a gun to hunt deer is a gateway weapon that leads to wanting to murder fellow people. Marijuana is not a gateway drug. People are the ones that make the choice to move on to harder drugs. They are the gateway. The fact that you are able to make your own choices and practice morals is proof of that. Besides, why the hell do you care what people choose to consume? People like you freak me out.
Ajnin42 3 weeks ago
@Ajnin42 Believe me, I will never tell a person to stop smoking Marijuana. It'a perfectly safe drug, much, MUCH safer than alcohol, and is great for broadening one's mind. But my worry is that kids and teenagers my own age are too weak to resist the gateway the Marijuana provides- through the dealer. Because the dealer always "knows someone" who has the "heavier stuff." And teenagers, wanting a bigger high, go for the more dangerous hit. The original dealer takes a cut of the profits, he wins.
RunnerRunnerRun 2 weeks ago
@RunnerRunnerRun That really sounds more like the plotline to a '90's PSA segment! Maybe where you are from dealers are like that, but here in washington state, most of them are just people that love smoking weed and figure they can make a buck at it and/or spread some joy. Compared to what I have experienced in the western half of the country, that scenario is so far from the norm its not even funny. Then again, I'm in WA mostly so maybe we are just more chill up here.
vertigo0331 2 weeks ago
@vertigo0331 My mother's fiancee grows a small amount of Marijuana in his basement, mostly for him and mother, who use to it help ease severe pains- My mother has very serious kidney problems, and he has lived a long life of physical labor. They are, as you would say, very "chill" about the whole ideal. But ask most dealers I've met, and they will do nearly anything to get to you to buy more of anything and everything they have, even if they're your best friend.
RunnerRunnerRun 1 week ago
@RunnerRunnerRun Yes, it is a Gateway drug, how Convenient!!! Why???? BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL!!!! Think, If alcohol was illegal and pot was legalized,you'd have to buy beer/wine/booze from a "DEALER", aka the ones selling the next level of narcotics, now alcohol is the Gateway drug isn't it? I don't even smoke pot, cause i prefer alcohol, NEVER HAVE I BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT BUYING ANY DRUGS GOING TO THE STORE TO GET BEER/WINE OR BOOZE!!
SoulSurferGS8 3 weeks ago
@SoulSurferGS8 You have a valid argument. But the choice always lies with the person. They can say no. But chances are, if they smoke Marijuana for fun, only to get high, then they're going to develop an immunity to its effects. And when given the option, which, with dealers, they are, the will move to more powerful drugs. When people use Marijuana to broaden their mind, like Sagan, the chances of them moving to more powerful drugs is infinitely slimmer. You're not wrong, my friend, far from it.
RunnerRunnerRun 2 weeks ago
@RunnerRunnerRun studies have found that about less that 1% of cannabis users went on to try heroin or cocaine once. The gateway theory has been debunked again and again scientifically. There is no proven substance to be found in cannabis that leads an individual to go on to use other, harder drugs.
cbassizle 2 weeks ago
@cbassizle I don't believe the gateway theory is debunked, because it works both ways. While most Marijuana smokers do stay with Marijuana, a drug that is entirely harmless, if not beneficial, almost all people I have ever talked to who have done hard drugs like cocaine, heroin, or some other dangerous narcotic have ALL told me that for them, Marijuana was not enough to get them high. Now, these people were typically only using Marijuana to get high, unlike Sagan here, who used it for good.
RunnerRunnerRun 1 week ago
@RunnerRunnerRun That "gateway drug" thing is bullshit cooked up by the government.. One could say the same thing about any other kind of "drug" including the last legal casual drug, alcohol (which is much more dangerous and harmful than Marijuana).. And don't even get me started on prescription drugs! They are the TRUE gateway drugs.. Not weed. But they're fine because the government makes big $ on them, and that's the only thing that matters to them.. The money. not us.
bliglum 3 weeks ago
@bliglum Prescription drugs LITERALLY save lives.However, you are more than right. The fact of Marijuana being a "gateway drug" comes down much more to the person than it does to the actual drug. However, almost every single one of the people I know who take or have taken incredibly dangerous narcotics, like cocaine or heroin, have all started with Marijuana, and all said the same thing to me: "Weed just wasn't enough." And you're right, alcohol is downright DEADLY, because of its causality.
RunnerRunnerRun 2 weeks ago
@RunnerRunnerRun actually statistics show that 75% of weed smokers do not move on to anything else. Not to mention all of the other drugs are less popular.
MegaBigdawg75 2 weeks ago
@MegaBigdawg75 Yes, but out of the thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands who smoke Marijuana worldwide, even a small number of 5% of those smokers "moving on" to harder and more dangerous drugs still represents an extremely large market. Also, don't fool yourself into thinking that "less popular" means "less of a threat." Narcotics can be linked to a surprisingly large amount of crimes and murders somehow. The use of any drugs can also cause strife in families, and this itself is a danger.
RunnerRunnerRun 1 week ago
Man is a legend.
Arcadium1177 3 weeks ago
everybody should post this on their facebook \ twitter! share share share!
UjioSatashi 3 weeks ago
@jshowa7 That is absolutely ridiculous. Now unless you have some evidence to back your argument, then you've stopped at the wrong video. There's huge evidence about the benefits of marijuana and apparently the American media's brainwashing techniques work quite well on you. You can't argue with only your beliefs, you must present evidence and you have none. Sorry!
4evalovenpeace 3 weeks ago
Drugs should be legalized because it will eliminate the violence that comes with it. End of story.
theSicilianToe 3 weeks ago
@theSicilianToe Except for all the drunkards beating their wives. (;
MercuriallyStatic 3 weeks ago
Carl sagan smoked everyday. So the 'hurr everyone that smokes everyday is a pothead and is stupid' argument is now invalid.
andyhmltn 3 weeks ago
@andyhmltn cant tell if troll...
kyuteh 3 weeks ago
@kyuteh Welcome to the 21st century where we have this marvelous tool: Google.
andyhmltn 3 weeks ago
Allowing the government to make any laws against any of our freedoms is ludicrous and is exactly how we ended up in the awful police state we're in. Look around us, "big brother is watching you" - how true that statement has become! There's tons of evidence about the benefits of marijuana and the absolute usefulness of hemp. People need to stop believing what they hear and find real evidence to learn for yourself. Marijuana increases the pineal, which increases awareness - Fact! Wake up! Peace
4evalovenpeace 3 weeks ago
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jshowa7 3 weeks ago
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@4evalovenpeace I'm sure you'd say the same thing about cigarettes and alcohol too. Maybe one day humanity will stop thinking that the right to do drugs is a humanitarian right, regardless of how negatively it effects others and themselves.
jshowa7 3 weeks ago
Look marijuana is harmless if done in moderation. Food makes you fat if you over eat but your not gonna say food is bad. Watching TV every day, every hour is bad for you but TV in itself is not bad. Also, marijuana is not in the same camp as alcohol, coke, meth, heroine. Those hard drugs fuck u up no matter the usage so lets make that distinction. Hope this enlightens JSHOWA7
RGOC2012 4 weeks ago
@RGOC2012 anecdotal evidence. Look it up.
jshowa7 3 weeks ago
@RGOC2012 true that. if driven recklessly, a car will kill you quicker than just about anything. chainsaws have also maimed many people. table saws have severed countless fingers over the decades. BUT, if used properly, responsibly, and with care, these things can be extremely useful and helpful, and, ultimately, arguably indispensable at their respective functions. just like marijuana. it's all about being responsible and knowing how to operate whatever tools you have at your disposal.
dme257 3 weeks ago
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@jshowa7 @jshowa7 i've been a casual marijuana smoker for about 15 years know. I eat healthy, exercise regularly and I am healthy. How do I know? my doctors says so. I know from EXPERIENCE, I dont care about "studies" or anything else. The key here is moderation, thats it. Smoke some herb bud, stop breaking your head and chilax.
RGOC2012 4 weeks ago
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RGOC2012 4 weeks ago
people please ignore jshowa7. is it really worth arguing with such an ignorant person. is talking to a wall fruitful?
RGOC2012 4 weeks ago
@RGOC2012 you're right, he either has an agenda or he's trolling because no one is that stupid.
sixstringCM06 3 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 You can continue to circle jerk yourselves, or you can actually give me the citation so I could look at it. Unlike you, I'm actually open to other evidence.
jshowa7 3 weeks ago
There's pot smokers in every group and just about every religion and every profession. People need to grow up and realize this stuff is not going to diminish us or bring us down at any level if it were to be legalized. People who want to get it have no problem getting, at all. The government is living in the past and does not want to admit to making a mistake on this one. Just like prohibition was a mistake. It's time to move forward people.
drmrzrul12 1 month ago
@drmrzrul12 Makes me wish tobacco was outlawed. I mean what kind of individual would start recreational use of a drug with many known side effects is the epitome of irrationality. Even though it reduces pain in some diseases medically, I would still be apprehensive because of its risks to the brain from dependence as a pain reliever.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 I don't understand were your coming from. Marijuana is not physically addictive and that has been proven. Narcotics are physically addicting i.e. physical withdrawls. Ask anybody who smokes on a regualr basis if they start sweating or feeling dizzy or anything like that because they need a fix? It's obvious you don't know what your talking about at all my friend.
drmrzrul12 3 weeks ago
@drmrzrul12 Even if it was to be used medically, it should be under strict medical regulation, not be made OTC, and should be made as a last resort by prescription only because of its narcotic nature.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
Huh, I think it must have been something in the formatting of the message, specifically the arrows used by M-W that kept me from being able to post. And here I thought I'd been banned from posting by the video uploading lol. Bizarre
RattyRandnums 1 month ago
CONT: and then as the given example "decriminalize the possession of marijuana ".I even gave you the definition of "legalize" right after to show t/difference
RattyRandnums 1 month ago
@jshowa7 Hah who are you trying to convince at this point, me or yourself? I know what he meant because of his choice of words and the fact that Decriminalize =/= Legalize. If you'd cared to read a little more of that definition I linked you to you'd have seen "especially : to repeal a strict ban on while keeping under some form of regulation"
RattyRandnums 1 month ago
@RattyRandnums "Decriminalize =/= legalize" not according to the definitions I posted and the definition you posted, which says this "to remove or reduce the criminal classification or status of" something you conveniently left out. Remember, especially does not mean always. And if the definition includes "removal" then it can degenerate into legalization.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@RattyRandnums Then please, explain to me why there are several other definitions, including the ones I've posted, that say something completely different.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 I don't have to explain to you why other people use it more loosely. In legal terms the fact that he uses "decriminalize" instead of "legalize" makes his intentions clear enough. And as I think I said before it wouldn't matter anyway, like every politician he'll say whatever it takes to get certain groups to support him. Remember Obama promising to close Guantanamo Bay as one of his first acts in office? Now he sends people there.
RattyRandnums 1 month ago
@RattyRandnums "I don't have to explain to you why other people use it more loosely." Okay, then why are you telling me I'm wrong?
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 I suppose I just allowed the spirit of Sagan to get into me a bit. Feeling like I should tell people when they're mistaken or misinterpreting something, for the purposes of increasing understanding of an important issue so they can make more informed decisions/judgements. When you came in saying I was wrong, I tried to explain the validity of my statments to you but it's been like talking to a wall. You're determined to believe what you want to believe that has become plain enough.
RattyRandnums 1 month ago
@RattyRandnums "I suppose I just allowed the spirit of Sagan to get into me a bit." Unfortunately, Sagan's "spirit" doesn't exist, sorry...
And I never said you were wrong, I just said they can be defined as the same.
jshowa7 1 month ago
I think I'm blocked from commenting on this video?
RattyRandnums 1 month ago
silly Carl, you can't talk about rationality with respect to how our laws are drafted. there is no rationale connected to anti-drug enforcement. anyone who is against the legalization of marijuana (not just for medical use) is either supremely ignorant or willfully stupid.
there is no middle ground. if you know anything about the war on drugs, it's history, or have firsthand experience with marijuana, then you know how ridiculous all of this is.
grow up people.
sixstringCM06 1 month ago
@sixstringCM06 Anyone who willfully desires to legalize marijuana without having evidential justification is supremely ignorant.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 congratulations outing yourself as an idiot.
sixstringCM06 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 And when did I do this? Maybe you should have a little courage and actually look up some of the peer reviewed literature on marijuana and read it. Of course, you wouldn't want your unfounded beliefs to be challenged, oh no, that's way to risky...
Better to believe in a authority figure like Carl Sagan (whose been dead for over 15 years) then actual current research available today.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 your ignorance precedes you. anyone who has ever read a monthly medical research journal knows that marijuana has been studied thousands of times by peer-reviewed scientists all over the world. the medical and scientific consensus is that marijuana clearly provides a wide variety of beneficial side effects ranging from its analgesic properties to its support of the immune and metabolic systems.
educate yourself:
norml.org/pdf_files/ReviewofHumanStudies.pdf
sixstringCM06 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 really, before you attempt to reply again and make another fool of yourself, just do a little reading. it's not hard to find out how wrong you are.
medicalmarijuana.procon.org
norml.org/pdf_files/ReviewofHumanStudies.pdf
sixstringCM06 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 Unfortunately, one paper isn't sufficient enough evidence to be justifiable. Unfortunately, it isn't peer-reviewed and it comes from a bias organization. I suggest you examine the peer-reviewed literature from google scholar or pub med. Or, you could watch this video: youtube.com/watch?v=gwmWZvBThGY
However, I will examine the paper and it associated references and will get back with you.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 it's not one paper.
it's a summary of hundreds of papers. NORML is biased but that doesn't mean it's information is wrong. Medial Pro/Con is not biased at all. it's a collective of the sum total of factual data on THC.
anyone living in the real world, especially anyone who has actually tried pot, knows full well that it's essentially harmless (aside from the smoke) and has a wide array of beneficial medical properties. the only reason it's illegal is racism and economics.
sixstringCM06 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 It is not a summary of 100's of papers. There were only 52 papers listed in the reference section. It is true that marijuana has some positive effect against relieving pain for diseases. However, these were given through oromucosal sprays medically and NOT BY SMOKING IT.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 "anyone living in the real world, especially anyone who has actually tried pot, knows full well that it's essentially harmless (aside from the smoke) and has a wide array of beneficial medical properties." The only benefit I've seen is that it relieves pain, and anyone who thinks pot is "essentially harmless" is truly ignorant.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 And this is exactly which you condoned in a previous comment, "anyone who is against the legalization of marijuana (not just for medical use) is either supremely ignorant or willfully stupid." - sixstringCM06
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 Please watch the video I posted to see the recreational use is harmful.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 I don't know why you're hung up on how the THC is applied. because the same effects are achieved regardless. it can be smoked, vaporized, eaten, or sprayed into the nostrils and each of these methods will produce the desired effect.
the only harm that marijuana has been shown to cause is a slightly elevated risk of certain types of cancer associated with smoke inhalation/carbon combustion. and even this small risk can be circumvented if you stick to vaporizing or THC edibles.
sixstringCM06 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 Have you watched the video yet? Did you even type cannabis into google scholar or pubmed? Do you understand the complications of schizophrenia/psychosis, impaired lung function, impaired driving, and addiction are? A slightly increased risk of cancer, of which I'm not sure if its only slight as you haven't provided a source for such thing, is not the only negative effect resulting from recreational use.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 I don't need to watch a youtube video when I've got real sources for everything that most people already know.
just google: marijuana lung study 2012
casual marijuana use does not harm the lungs or increase cancer risk any more than tobacco use, in fact, according to the study above (20 years double blind) it is actually less harmful than tobacco. and of course we're still only talking about smoking. you can virtually eliminate these risks with vaporization or edibles.
sixstringCM06 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 That isn't a proper citation. Could you please give me a link? Most of the peer reviewed literature says otherwise. And the fact that you won't even look at my source makes your bias glaringly obvious.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@jshowa7 you're an idiot. can't argue with people who go through life with blinders on.
sixstringCM06 3 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 Says the person who refuses to view the video and accept any contradictory evidence.
A true hypocrite at heart.
jshowa7 3 weeks ago
@jshowa7 they should create a new country where they use it to throw in paranoid irrational ppl such as urself. ppl such as urself need to be contained becus ignorance is detrimental to society ..
RGOC2012 4 weeks ago
@RGOC2012 I'm sorry, but I tend to not recreational use substances that can potentially harm my body. If that's irrational, then you must be living in a fantasy land.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
@sixstringCM06 Not too mention the most logical conclusion, if you don't smoke it, you don't get an increased risk of ANY of those problems, eliminating genetic reception and other confounders.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
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@sixstringCM06 Not too mention the most logical conclusion, if you don't smoke it, you don't get an increased risk of ANY of those problems, eliminating genetic reception and other confounders.
jshowa7 4 weeks ago
0:10 - 0:18. Carl Sagan blotter paper?
habadashery 1 month ago
we dont have to chose anyone to change this world but us.
daryps03 1 month ago
Ron paul for President rip carl sagan
r0meyrome 1 month ago
Carl Sagan was brilliant, Ron Paul is a racist libertarian.
astronautagogo 1 month ago 2
Why do you people talk as if you know anything at all about the effects of marijuana on a cancer patient unless you, yourself, have been through the stages of cancer? Go ask any cancer patient who has used marijuana as a crutch and what they think of it. You won't find one patient saying it did them worse and yet the government still refuses to let people use marijuana. And trust me, it's not because the government is looking out for us.
MrHankorea 1 month ago
Once pathways in your brain have been made, you can never go back.
sativakiller 1 month ago
@sativakiller False!
ferrisbueller9000 1 month ago
I don't agree with Carl Sagan's point on giving people who have cancer or AIDS marijuana because they are dying. There is a reason why people go into remission from cancer, and it is because of the chemotherapy and radiation treatments even though it harms them. Also, most cancers are terminal, but people can survive them because of a misdiagnosis or treatment as described above. I don't think Carl Sagan knows about medicine enough to make such a definitive conclusion.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 I don't think anybody know about medicine enough including yourself to make such a definitive conclusion. Do you know Gerson
ferrisbueller9000 1 month ago
@ferrisbueller9000 Uh yeah... Radiation and chemotherapy can cause cancer to go in remission, marijuana doesn't last I checked.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 I just think there is more variable that that, just vitamin D deficiency for instance and I'm not sure what you mean by marijuana doesn't last? You mean it can't help or?
ferrisbueller9000 1 month ago
@jshowa7 it's not meant as a replacement for radiation or chemo-therapies. to suggest so is moronic. administering cannabis in terminal cancer or AIDS patients eases nausea (caused by radiation/chemo-therapies), aids appetite and generally improves mood.
sharkbeeth 1 month ago
@sharkbeeth Well actually it could be used as a replacement, THC injected into tumor cells cuts off the blood supply of the tumor, making it shrink and it induces cell death in mutated cells while protecting the regular cells around the mutated tissue. Look it up, it's all been proven in studies.
KreatorRage 1 month ago
@KreatorRage i wasn't actually aware of that, but still; i think sagan is talking about actual medical marjiuana being administered as an added treatment. ie for smoking or eating. THC being directly injected in its pure form is a bit different.
sharkbeeth 1 month ago
@jshowa7 Sagan didn't advocate "giving people who have cancer or AIDS marijuana because they are dying," so you disagreeing with him is pointless. He commented on the absurdity of denying a patient access to a helpful medicine out of some misbegotten idea that you're saving them from a fictional addiction. If you assumed that he was suggesting marijuana instead of chemo or radiation, you should listen harder. Sagan definitely knew more than you do about medicine.
superjay42 1 month ago
@superjay42 How do you conclude that Carl Sagan knew more about medicine? He's not even in the medical field! He's an astrophysicist! That's like saying an auto mechanic knows about home repair just because they happen to be in the repair field. Under your logic, I'm sure you'd hire a auto mechanic to fix your house.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@superjay42 And notice, the main reason he said to give marijuana to people was for comfort because of their, possibly fatal, disease. That was the main crux of this entire video.
Not to mention, this is from the 70's there have been a lot more studies done on the effects of marijuana that show it is a) addictive, b) leads to schizophrenia, c) impairs long term memory, d) impairs driving, and many more, all in peer reviewed literature (i.e. the bread and butter of science).
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 You left out some information on our knowledge today of marijuana.
It is emotionally addictive, not physically. It can rarely trigger schizophrenia under certain conditions based on your genetic information. High doses of marijuana can temporarily impair long term memory.
And the impair driving thing is hardly related, the caffeine in the coffee you drink in the morning impairs your driving just as much, if not more.
JessAlexanderD 1 month ago
@JessAlexanderD And you saying those are worthwhile risks than never smoking it at all?
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 Marijuana has helped and affected many people in my life in more ways than you could understand.
People just need to asses the risks they take in life, that's just common knowledge.
JessAlexanderD 1 month ago
@JessAlexanderD Nice anecdote. But I only care about the evidence, not someones word.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 You only care about the "EVIDENCE" ehh, well it seems to me that you have been brainwashed successfully. You stated that you did not care about someone's "word". I have some shocking news for you then the "evidence" against marijuana that you claim is true, has been force fed to you by the ones who have criminalized it. incase you dont understand, which i believe you wont. You are taking someones word that Marijuana is bad. you might want to rethink your outlook on life.
OhIAmCanadianEh 1 month ago
@OhIAmCanadianEh It's pretty clear that you misunderstood me. What I meant by someones word, is that I don't care about what people say if they don't have the data to back it up. For example, if you had a friend lying in pain from a wound and someone came up and said they had a powdery substance that could heal the wound if applied, would you let them do it? I would hope not.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@OhIAmCanadianEh This comment is an excellent example, there is zero justification for it and is only based on your emotional impulse, therefore it isn't objective. You only think its justifiable, because it feels good, which is a terrible justification because it isn't based on evidence and experimentation. For example, eating junk food feels good, however it leads to complications later in life if over used, which is exactly what people do when they smoke marijuana.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@OhIAmCanadianEh So yes, I'm going to take the evidence of peer-reviewed journals and researchers which are mostly funded through universities by people who know way more about it than I do. That's the reason why you take your car into a mechanic, have a builder build your house, see your doctor when you're sick, etc.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 Carl Sagan was a university funded researcher who wrote peer reviewed journals,
TheQoolKid 1 month ago
@TheQoolKid In physics, not in medicine. And it isn't his fault for not knowing, as most of the evidence on the effects of marijuana is within the past 10 to 20 years..
jshowa7 1 month ago
@OhIAmCanadianEh Oh, and you might want to check your "conspiracy theory" idea of people criminalizing marijuana for the sake of doing it as a sign to lay off smoking it (if you do). After all, smoking it can cause schizophrenia, and I'll leave that word for you to look up in order to understand what I mean.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 Unfortunately, you're just making things up now (I'd love to hear more about all these studies, but strangely you've failed to cite any). If by "comfort" you mean "so they can keep food down and continue chemotherapy," then yeah, sure. But you're deliberately mischaracterizing his statement. Even if marijuana WAS addictive, we legally use plenty of addictive or otherwise harmful drugs for medical purposes, right? Morphine, other opiates, etc. Don't let your dogma blind you.
superjay42 1 month ago
@superjay42 @JessAlexanderD Yeah, except morphine is given in controlled doses for a limited time. Marijuana users typically smoke regularly and do so for long periods of time. If you want the sources, here they are, just watch the video:
youtube.com/watch?v=nnNPm5cG85c&lc
The citations are in the description.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@jshowa7 And marijuana as medicine IS given in controlled doses for a limited time.That's what Sagan is talking about. You have to realize that cannibis as medicine is no different from opiates like morphine as medicine. It's incredibly foolish to prevent a plant with demonstrated medical benefits from your pharmaceutical toolkit based on ignorance and superstition. You seem to equate cannibis use in any context as unfettered, constant abuse, which is a regrettable limitation.
superjay42 1 month ago
@jshowa7 Also, your link for your citations doesn't lead anywhere. How unfortunate.
superjay42 1 month ago
@superjay42 Yeah, because you have to put in prefix of the address and take out the extra chars. because youtube won't allow full link posting in comments. So yes, it's unfortunate that you don't know the components of a website address.
jshowa7 1 month ago
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@superjay42 Just because marijuana may perform a similar function to another drug, does not mean it should be used. There has to be a cost benefit/risk analysis. And considering the overwhelming evidence for its negative side effects in the peer-reviewed literature, you'd be hard pressed to introduce it as a substitute for morphine.
Of course, a majority of the public is mentally incompetent, so you'd probably have no problem accomplishing that.
jshowa7 1 month ago
@superjay42 If you honestly think marijuana wouldn't be abused, you must be extremely dense. My state legalized the medical use of marijuana and guess what happened, I hear radio advertisements all the time about grow shops and not needing a medical justification to get your weed, so yeah, it gets abused. Not to mention, there are other drugs that perform specific effects without the negative side affects of marijuana.
jshowa7 1 month ago
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jshowa7 1 month ago
Could you imagine smoking a joint with someone (Carl Sagan) who WOULDN'T be talking shit about the universe?
kly45 1 month ago
Governments work for us. They have no right to tell us how we can spend our own money. If I wanted some powerful weed to cook with my dinner, I should be able to go to a store and buy it, just like other people can buy powerful whiskey at their local liquor store.
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bobx2x2 1 month ago
We need more people like Carl as the face of marijuana instead of Cheech and Chong.
soberchimera61 1 month ago 2
Billions and billions of bong hits!
Sinjinator 1 month ago 2