John Coltrane Quartet - Part4 - Impressions(2) cont.

[daraze99]

its D dorian and Eb dorian but in this version and a few others jimmy plays G which makes us hear G mixolydian and Ab mixolydian :)

[TheHeiroglyph]

Master

[sopwithcamels266]

Trane, yeah the message is loud and clear. Great, I think his best period before he went off the rails ha ha.

[DamianNixon]

another fantastic post. thanks. D.

[mussman717word]

Trane is the Hendrix of sax. Or should I say Hendrix is the Trane of guitar? Wait. That leaves out Wes... fuck, I give up.

[Alastair6]

Trane is the grandfather of all jazz musicians since his time. There will never be another Trane! Trane lives!

[Zerad92]

This is the Essence of music...

[jeff7729]

unreal playing............awesome

[Toojdwin]

Elvin and Coltrane are perfect together; no one could have kept up with that solo harmonically, but Jones contributed to it perfectly in the emotional sense.

[epn10]

@3:11 does Coltrane throw in a little "Oye como va" lick? it's a different rhythm, but it just stuck out as being randomly diatonic...

[Brian4hand]

@epn10 If that's what you got from it, then yes, he did.

[mussman717word]

@epn10

Sounds more like the bassline of "So What" to me.

[epn10]

@mussman717word That makes more sense

[MilesTrane21]

@epn10 It's a variation on "the lick" haha. /watch?v=krDxhnaKD7Q

[epn10]

@MilesTrane21 hahahaha nice

[tkrol62]

3:11 haha

[invisiblekid14]

this a good tempo - not too fast, just nice and heavy

[macjsus]

O_o

[RoyMcGrath]

man his embouchure is incredible!!!!!!!!!!

[Swinger2000]

Seems like Elvins bassdrum pedal quits at some point in the sax/drum part..

[slick82958]

yeah i think that was the common theme in this song, i mean like how when the bass solo comes they all just drop out, then coltrane starts soloing and first the piano goes, then bass, then his bass drum pedal, it kind of reminds me of what davis' second quintet sounds like, so bare, gives the soloist more room to explore.

[Swinger2000]

could be... I never thought about it like that, thought his pedal broke in this clip.. Interesting idea Slick..!

[slick82958]

ahhh i didnt think about that, i think you're right, although you see his right foot moving, no sound is coming out even when the rest of the band comes back lol poor elvin.

[89239dfkdk]

Thank you fapstro

[AresCassell]

Coltrane is an example of REAL jazz. All "smooth jazz" musicians need to be kickd right in the testes.

[musictranscription]

I'm getting this sheet music

[Jazzman303]

it's two chords. isn't that your name. TRANSCRIBE IT.

[aaronamccoy]

like they said, just hear the melody, learn it by ear and i think the chords are like dminor to eb#11 or eb min..yeh ebmin.

[mightyafrowhitey]

@musictranscription it's two chords. don't know the exact chords, but they're both minor chords using dorian. So probably Gm7 and G#m7, the same chords used in Miles Davis's So What

[Rudreax]

You mean Dm7 and Ebm7, right?

[mightyafrowhitey]

@Rudreax wow, that's weird. It had always sounded like G and G# to me, probably because you could play the dorian modes over both of them. But I think the main melody to the song actually is in D Dorian, so yea I guess you're right. I hate being wrong about shit. haha

[nadir4aver]

dont just lisent ...DIG!!!!

[stralejazzpiano]

Thank You John Coltrane!

Thank You John Coltrane!

Thank You John Coltrane!

[Gcman928]

is this the one in 1963 w/Jazz Casual?

[Trombone1991]

yep!

[peppersax]

This is the reason why I play 'Pop Jazz', because Coltrane took music to "the next level". I believe that most jazz musicians are still trying to locate that level.

[Jazzman303]

queer.

[tsciaroni]

seems like a lot of the other coltrane vids are out of sync but this is great to actually this him play in real time.

[tomy4you]

Amazing, though, I'd love to see more of Trane's later stuff (with all respect) as opposed to (Love Supreme or post love Supreme) material such as Sun Ship or Ascension...  Pitty, it's not there...

[olivierbarjot]

i can t stop listening to this performance...and lord knows I ve seen it hundreds of times..it always sounds fresh and elegant and exciting..

[iPhalanx]

That is the reason i consider jazz to be the most pure and beautiful art form in music. It is like painting, where expression is the key, and where you take it is much more important than what you start out with. Charlie Parker would play with a plastic saxophone in front of thousands and stir more sentiment than I ever could with the most expensive horn on the planet. All in all, where you go with your music should be the key, and the journey that takes you there the reason (and fun) to do it.

[doublealufwaffe]

@iPhalanx, what do you mean when you say jazz?

[iPhalanx]

Well if you're an idealist in the jazz sense, you could say that there are no wrong notes, which Coltrane might have agreed with during his Interstellar Space years. Even from one year to the next, a person's concept of what jazz is and their perception of how it should influence them and they it is shifted. In all my years playing though, I have never considered myself to be a great saxophonist for the sole reason that I don't practice enough. I don't say I'm not because I make "mistakes"

[mihirmaiden18]

coltrane was one of jazzes greatest innovators after charlie parker's passing! his style is so raw! that's why i'm drawn to his work!

[1337Pwn4g3]

wow 155 is just...wow so thats what a multiphonic run can sound like. just crazy.

[uprightbass90]

there're simply no words to describe how great coltrane is.

Those cats can really play, I wish one day I could achieve the sound of the bass player.He is nothing more than awesome

[Spimp4]

@madpop17 troll

[danylongshaft]

watching this kind of BAD shit makes me want to get a sax and blow my ass off till the sun rises.

literaly my whole life changed when i heard this cat..

[moonswallow]

Hey!! It's not ME...my boyfriend is using my Youtube account...fyi...I'll have to talk to him about this!

[doodovf]

all your retarded arguments ruin the video. you're killin' the vibe...

[samsamba08]

Man I get tears in my eyes and chills all over my body when he starts the duet with Elvin...

[graygull771]

In anyway I love them. Coltrane is forever!

[joshuasound]

the prayer

[Modes9]

Sometimes you have to make a choice: Am I going to continue my idea or am I going to make it conform to the changes in a literal way. If you hear a sequence of stacked fourths, suspended arpeggios, chromatically moving pentatonic patterns etc. follow your instincts and let the music take you where it wants you to go. A good bassist and drummer won't lose their places and it will work out.

[stones0731]

You have to remember: the masters played music as they heard it. THEN someone analyzed it later. They did it with Bach, Beethoven, Trane, Bird, all of em. But those guys just wrote/played! Yes they knew foundations, especially Trane, that guy was THE musicians musician. but sometimes a jazz curriculum (a classical curriculum) promotes analysis paralysis. Over analysis for its own sake. It's a good start, but to get there you gotta take it a step further. It's inside yourself.

[Lankie89]

Thanks for the video.........Coltrane was the greatest Sax player ever.....

[fishytank1land]

greatest musician ever.

[EdLova]

my man...

[MagnusLindblOOm]

This is so f**king good. Coltrane is playing like a god here, just love this...

[jkillu]

well...the thing about coltrane is that he brought, or at least nearly perfected the post-bop era. After his legacy, many people didnt enjoy it and were turned off to jazz. Those are the people that say jazz is "too confusing" and "doesn't make sense". I, thankfully started off with the easier jazz and now have so much more respect for trane's playing.

[Saxyman14]

no you cant. thats close to the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

everyone is going to have their own sound. set-up is going to push it in minor directions, but you're always going to sound like yourself.

[nossgrd]

saxy you have no friends u just piss people off cus u think u know everything. shut the fuck up god dam

[Saxyman14]

I am the opposite of all three things you just said.

[nossgrd]

i listed 2 things and gave you a command so i think ur just a dumbass

[Saxyman14]

You listed 3 things. I have no friends. 1. I piss people off. 2. I think I know everything. 3.

[HalloweenEveryNight]

Well..John Coltrane has a big nose..that I like very much.. His playing is cool..it sounds nice. I like his hair cut...the only thing I don't like is the look in his eyes..it looks like he's really upset...

[Saxyman14]

Close your eyes then and listen, it may change your opinion. listen to how he feels, don't try to tell by looking at him

[ggnzlz2008]

No es realmente importante saber cuál boquilla y cañas usa. Si uno desea tener su propio buen sonido debe trabajar mucho.

Lee Konitz tocó muchos años con una boquilla a la que se le había borrado la marca!!!

[Jazzman303]

He tried to get the bridge of his mouthpeice flattened and that interview with Kofsky he says that the guy who did the work ruined. But Trane kept playing it and it turned out he enjoyed the tone he received and so do I. The Interview is from 8/18/1966... get the New Trane Reference Book... $120 on Amazon

[pfftentacle]

It's just a standard I IV V progression. HA

[Saxyman14]

there is no progression. it's a modal tune, its the exact same as "So What"... that's why it's called "Impressions". It's just Dmin7 for 16 bars, modulates up a half step to Ebmin or 8 bars, then back down to Dmin for 8 bars. no IV's or V's anywhere. Miles started writing like that so that people would stop playing typical bebop patterns and it really opened up the improv.

[Saxyman14]

Actually It's just I. It's a modal tune. It goes up a half step in the 17th bar. but that's the only change.

[moonswallow]

Yeah, easy... as long as you don't think about the extended solo that modulates and chromaticizes every which way until your ears bleed.. just a simple half step progression (which, by the way lends itself to an array of possible scales/modes because the change leaves only two notes from the scale of the chord before it that are harmonically useable in the second chord, forcing the soloist to modulate

But yeah, looks simple enough on paper

fortunately that's not where music lives...

[moonswallow]

Saxyman, you're a fool.

[Saxyman14]

I wasn't at all saying it was easy. Someone (refer to page 2 of comments) was arguing about the chord progression.

[Saxyman14]

Also, you never closed your parentheses. So... What's that about?

[moonswallow]

)

...sorry I was overwhelmed with raw coltrane devotion..

I think there may be a run-on sentence or two as well.

[robertojimenez204]

Please. let me be of some help here. In a 11m7-V7-1Maj7 for C Major, he would played Dm7 and Eb7 over the Dm7 in the first bar (Two beats for each chord), Ab7 and B7 over the G7 in the second bar, and E, G7, E, G7 For the last two bars in C Maj7, meaning, he would use delayed resolution at the 1 maj7, Thats called "Coltrane changes" And you'll hear it more clearly on "Giant Steps" and in "Countdown".

[jazzmaster01]

I do know one technique he did, i'm sure everyone knows of the Coltrane Cycle?... it's a basic idea of chord substitutions in terms of minor 3rds,

For Example:

We have a G7 chord, what Coltrane would do, was take that up a minor third, to Bb then use the Bb scale over that, THEN you could continue doing that, from Bb you go to Db, and use that scale, then from Db go to E, and from E back to G! which gives you the full Coltrane Cycle!

So Basically:

G7-> Bb7-> Db-> E7-> G7

all for the G7!

[madpop17]

ho hum

[shredrix]

you seem to know a little bit..... alright ive finally gotten outta the whole only playing by ear phase and am studying theory now, so my question is; when youre playing leads over top chords , do you have to stay in the key of your first chord?, or can you change keys as the chords change?

[madpop17]

whatever feels right, I know it sounds like a bullshit answer, but thats what it's really about.

[shredrix]

no no i totally get ya , but i m never sure if i have to end every phrase on my root or not.....ill get er soon enough

[shredrix]

no no i totally get ya , but i m never sure if i have to end every phrase on my root or not.....ill get er soon enough

[stones0731]

Yeah, I used to try to play jazz in the lines right? Try to make it sound like a deliberate phrase leading to another deiberate phrase. Try to make it sound like jazz, how jazz "should" sound. Coltrane had his phrases, so I tried to play some cool phrases so I could be hip. But that ain't really where it's at. Music is music, it ain't about being "technically perfect." or ending on the root, though that is one way to practice playing over a ii-V progression surely. It's not just about theory.

[mightyafrowhitey]

@stones0731 it's about learning everything you can about harmony, technique, learning from the masters, all that, and then having the facilitry and the CONFICENCE to just forget all that and play what you want to play.

[madpop17]

Ok, so I'm gonna be the asshole here and say that no matter how many little patterns and overtones and superimpositions and syncopations and funny faces and attempts at musical discourse or "spirituality" , the solo still sounds like shit. And if you really defend it, your either lying to yourself so you can feel smarter or doing it to be an asshole. "dissonance" is a texture, and if you overuse it, it's boring. BORING. it's like Bach: a bunch of notes. the only story here is a bored sax god.

[Pickpocket86]

YOU NO NOTHING ABOUT MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!. FUCKIN TAKE A LISTEN>>> THIS SHIT SOUNDS GREAT. I am SURE YOU DONT HAVE AS BIG OF A NAME AS COLTRANE SO YOU SHOULD BE STUDYING THIS SHIT AND MAYBE YOU WILL GET THERE......... MAYBE

[HalloweenEveryNight]

Wow..that is some big.....talk

[Saxyman14]

Kenny G called. He said "I agree"

[Herzog1012]

Go and listen to the Olatunji concert and then try to call Trane "boring" :)

[edcerc]

this is the worst comment ive ever heard on you tube or anywhere

[madpop17]

I love Coltrane. I just singled this video out to be the devils advocate and make the point that even tough he is arguably the greatest innovator on the tenor (and composition) you dont have to worship every single note he plays.

I was really being an asshole more than anything, but if you wanna take it personally be my guest. I'm entitled to my opinion

[humford]

Your opinion sucks. Comment something else. Have you tried sports?

[madpop17]

man are people still hung up about this? the guys great, just jump off his dick for second. nobodys perfect. not even sax gods.

[moonswallow]

What you imply is there is only one kind of dissonance...

This is not true.

I would assume if it was true, that there is also only one kind of harmony, making it equally if not much more "BORING" as you put it.

Furthermore, I make it a point never to take musical perspective seriously from anyone that publicly associates themselves with "pop", Mr. madpop.

get well soon.

[antpile99]

fantastic analysis, madpop - next time I feel like I'm rambling in a solo, I can just say "my solo was like Bach - a bunch of notes!"

[fissure226]

if what you say is true, madpop. Then you might as well burn every last blasphemous rock song with screaming guitar solos and grunged-up riffs you might own that looked to Coltrane and other innovators as inspiration.

[madpop17]

OK, so the comment got removed, it's about time if you ask me. I was beginning to worry I was gonna get replies way into my retirement. Please let me claify this once more: John Coltrane is amazing. I listen to is music all the time and I love the way he played! But I'm also gonna stand by my earlier comment that no one shits gold. Everyone makes mistakes and I felt that no one called Coltrane out on his. He couldn't play a wrong note!

[carrootjazz]

he is god!

[yehan44bro]

haaa i am full of shit rite now lol

[yehan44bro]

going over a progression with a scale i s the way people do things..and it does not make pathotic music..but jimi hendrix did not oplay pathotic his stuff sounded formal..but no one talked about scales and stuff

[nyshoefly]

what is pathotic?

[yehan44bro]

inmatured stuff

there is a difference betwen the music of a experienced guy like this guy and a guy ho just startd to play. year by year he learn to get out of his inmaturity and become matured.. by the way i am still not matured :p

good luck

[Gettinghitonattheban]

I know the progression, but what's the mode? Dorian it sounds like.

[MilesTrane21]

I think so. I know it's based on "So What" which is Dorian.

[yehan44bro]

i tried to use modes on my guitar and wat happane was it limited me to only going up and down the fret board..it sounds good for the sax but it doesnt sound good with the guitar- jimi hendrix played awsome solos n no body talked about scales

[MilesTrane21]

Well, Jimi was an ear musician but he played the scales. He had no idea what Dorian was but he could play it. In fact, a lot of Jimi's playing has modal influences. Just listen to the "All Along The Watchtower" solos.

[ahug4you323]

its d doriam to e flat dorian

[joshuasound]

behold devotion in music...music as prayer with sincere intention

[WinkleSpinner]

Trane would regularly substitute changes over what he was doing, especially when it was just the drums playing with him like for a time in this track, meaning he had absolute harmonic freedom. I think in this track he used that cascading whole-tone progression that he invented on Giant Steps quite a lot, although obviously he's playing way outside what he did when he recorded it first.

[nyshoefly]

actually thats a big misconception of tranes playing. much of what he did later is quite inside if you look at the solo. He did go out sometimes, but it usually resolves.

[Alessandro1985]

it's not inside in the conventional bebop sense. He plays over very weird modal structures! There's also a lot of modal chromatism and just shifting between harmonic centres. It's not free-jazz, but neither is it 'inside'.

[nyshoefly]

by inside i mean playing the chord tones. inside has nothing to do with bebop or modal, etc. its a matter of playing the chord tones. Trane does it in a very new way. I would recommend you transcribe some of his solos and you will see what i mean. of course he plays lots of chromatic and interweaving lines that move outside of the changes too.

[Alessandro1985]

haha I've never transcribed any of his solos! I should try - I play some jazz piano and like doing classical composing. Yeah,I think so, he hits the chord tones, but the harmonies themselves are built up in novel (novel for jazz music, it's used a lot in e.g. mahler) modal, as well as, harmonically chromatic structures. Coltrane improv is so special how he combines incredible passion & apparent freedom with his harmonically meticulous carefulness.

[nyshoefly]

ya i know hes a genius. there is also a rawness to his playing that you dont hear anymore! most tenor players sound the same to me. i play alto myself, and hoping to bring back some of the grit to jazz.

[moonswallow]

yes he plays inside. he made a home for all of the chord changes that no one wanted. Or perhaps it's better stated that he was the good shepherd that went out for days on end to recover his lost sheep, and bring them back to the herd, no matter how mangled or crazy-eyed they may be. Yes. That's it.

[bry3921]

hate to be sarcastic, but boy am i glad i got a lesson on how to make modal music interesting, and superimpose concepts...People, they're trying to find the deeeep groove, and Trane could never stop playing 'cause when you want to talk to God you need to plead and raise your voice.

[fvswoll]

Coltrane is GREAT! I saw Coltrane twice;once with Miles Davis (introducingTony Williams) in a Amsterdam Concert and 2e time with Elvin Jones and McCoy Tyner in Antibes(France) Jazz Fetival!!!(I shaked hands with Elvin Jones at the beach(as JazzPhotographer).Super that these videos still exists!I saw many of them(Miles,Blakey,Monk,Dizzy,K Clarke etc etc) Let the stupid people be quiet please....There will be Never Ever such Great Jazz musicians on earth again!!

Take care,Frits van Swoll

[nossgrd]

dang u hella old dog, trane died helas ago

[tunnelrat1900]

Alright, how many of you out there ahev played, or are still playing Otto Link Super Tone Master's? How many different facings have you tried? I've had only two STM's; a 5 back in 1976 and an 8* seven years ago. I never liked LINK's.

[peppersax]

Praise Ralph Gleason for having the insight to tape these historic recordings!

[peppersax]

Watching any Rap Video will stay in the mind.........maybe 5 minutes after it's over. Watching a John Coltrane Video satys in the mind..........forever!

[intrepidpooch]

One of the most masterful and inspiring works of art (in any medium) in all of history, hands down.

[thavault]

jazz is all about spontaneity, all the best players are NOT thinking about progressions, chord changes, or really anything when playing. Those things do serve as good tools in order to create a context in which many people can play together but ultimately all that is just dropped, the mind is clear and they just play what sounds good.

[jrmckamey]

I disagree about what you think is going on here. Although I think keeping the mid clear and playing what sounds good is a valid approach to improvising, I don't think that's what is going on with this group. I think Trane superimposes a set of changes on top of the form of the tune. Maybe McCoy contributes to the superimposed form, I'm not sure, but I deffinitley think that they're thinking about what's going on with the harmony (and changing it).

[hitmanisback]

treu say that ,i was told learn all you can then when you imlrovise forget it lolol,if you ont you start to sound mechanicle

[Jermswyn]

Yes, you can superimpose coltrane changes over a modal piece such as this tune. It adds dissonance and the changes must be adhered to strictly or the structure and balance of the coltrane changes will be thrown off and it will sound stupid.

[ncodrington]

Trane...THAT'S ma maaaaan :-)

[dreadtodred]

the great john coltrane always will be remembered many tenors cant compare

[ath8]

a love supreme

[avant2go]

A wonderful video of a wonderful quartet. John Coltrane, McCoy Tyner, Jimmy Garrison, & Elvin Jones make music that is beyond category. Priceless jazz that will stand the test of time for ever.

[shaul314]

some of the greatest clips in youtube if not the best

[theonlymagicalpig]

what sillyrabbitman meant about chord progressions is that to keep a chorus interesting on long periods of just 1 chord you can substitute this one chord for entire chord progressions. It's an "easy" way of bringing structure to modal improvisation. It can be use very efficiently to play outside as well.

[NPjazzsaxmusic]

I think you mean that they change the voicings of the chord and add different note of the mode to the chord in order to change it. In strictly modal music, such as impressions, they don't substitute in other enitire chord progressions, just progressions using the notes from the mode, or else it would ruin the modal effect.

[camac66]

Not so many chord progressions in modal music !!!

[groovyw53]

can someone tell me what year was this?

[MilesTrane21]

December 1963

[jrmckamey]

This is my favorite clip on youtube.

[bandinopla]

i kinda like this song

[sillyrabbitman]

I attended a jazz improv camp last summer, and we tried to tackle some of the songs in Aebersole's play along vol. 54. Maiden Voyage. Impressions was in there. What they're doing is a lot harder than it seems. You need to learn all the chord progressions and build a decent vocabulary to even start doing half of what Coltrane does.

[bandinopla]

wow, i did not know that

[Jack18689]

Cos'altro avresti creato se fossi vissuto di più?

Sei il più grande John....

JaCk

[UdUwUdU]

Man... This kicks ass...

[Wabes432]

We are all still chasin' that 'Trane.

[paideuma]

4 in 1 this group.

[nUnPuNcHeR12]

aww man, it's so good