I'm very thankful for this video. I'm looking for a new church, after not going to one for years, and now I know I will definitely stay away from the Episcopal Church. Jesus is Lord and such a wonderful gift of salvation everybody can have. Why is this so hard for people to accept?
Wow! Aside from embodying the apostasy of the Episcopal "church," she then has the nerve, the sheer audacity to suggest that true believers are, if not guilty, than nigh to the Unforgivable Sin of Blaspheming the Holy Ghost by being faithful to the Bible and Christian teaching?!? The subtext of what she says around 1:24 onward is that the only people who may be clearly drifting towards damnation are those people Christians who reject the work of Gandhi as inspired by God.
"I'm not too worried about the mechanism." Then go be a new age polyglot and get away from a Christian congregation. I am specifically focused on the "Mechanism" (the saving grace of Christ) and if she can't be, because she has lost her faith, then she should resign rather than teach her lapsed-faith views.
Religion often appears to be about control... many comments here seem to underline that... Jesus was about compassion and inclusion.... we are responsible for our beliefs and behaviors... and we need to question everything and everyone including ourselves and shoulder our responsibility
she totally contradicted herself in this video she says people can be good and have God like qualities (works) and then she says to say that we choose Jesus as Savior is a work which denies grace. She says God made promises to Ismael's that were not broken. God never promised Ismael's seed salvation through Mohammed or Allah. This Lady is a Heretic! A straight up LIAR!!
@biggdad1 God mus be the liar! He made promises in Genesis to the Abrahamic peoples through Hagar and Ismael. Go read it for yourself. The Bishop is correct.
Just because people "seem to have the fruits of the spirit" as she says doesn't mean anything. 2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." People love anything inclusive but they ignore that Jesus said he will tell people "Go away, I never knew you." People want to please themselves and others so they ignore such things.
Seriously..... The whole world has access to God through Christ. This is a perfect example of revelation, the end times. This dose not line up with the teachings of Jesus, Christ fulfilled the laws, As far as Muslim, in genesis it talks about the two nations contending with one another. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Jesus says no man can come to the father but through me.
Typical liberalism, ofcourse with the sneer against those other christians, who donot go for her theology, the sneer, the setting aside 'you are bad', with which liberal theology always goes.
Christianity isn't soft and weak it's a strong and firm faith non-compromising Yeshua established that as our faith but when people look at the broad road and say it's the right path are deceiving themselves. Their is one God and one smart as hell devil, their is one way to get to god and many ways to get to the devil.
Until the end comes everyone will have a chance to hear about the messiah Jesus christ, that let's the believer know that everyone will have a chance to hear about the bible. Not labeling you but in general not everyone who says to me lord lord will enter my kingdom, broad is the road to destruction and narrow is the gate to salvation. Ask yourself if a Buddhist watched this and believed this would you be responsible for his/her damnation???
As an atheist let me tell all you religious people that it makes you look ridiculous when you argue over the path you must take to earn your gods love. There are 2 billion Christians in the world out of about 7 billion. So 5 billion are going straight to hell no questions asked? It shows how divided Christianity really is, even in its own circles.
@JImmy4336 It's typical of people to think that their beliefs or way of life is the "only correct and right way". So anyone who doesn't believe the same things as they do is doomed in their eyes. I will admit, I am a Christian but I don't think people are gonna go to hell just because they aren't Christian. Because, if God is a God of Love, and if He loves every human being, why would He abandon any group of people because of whatever they are?
@AngelWingsVIII Well I'm glad to see that there are at least some Christians that think that way. Although, i must say, i think you are in the minority out of the 2 billion Christians in the world. Never the less, I do appreciate that some Christians like you believe that your God loves everyone.
"I believe that the whole world has access to god...ummm...I'm just not too worried about the mechanism..." When do you think its appropriate to worry? Did you worry before you were a Bishop? Before you were a Priest? As a Deacon? Did you ever think about it at baptism, or holy communion? Such a lax attitude towards salvation speaks volumes about your opinion of God - god offers grace cheaply, his son needn't die...I think Grace was costly and atonement necessary: this is worth worrying about.
You have got to ask yourself if the bible if full of metaphors and whether you should take everything verbatim. We are all of the same creator, this is pretty evident in the way we are constructed. If our creator - God ~created us all in his own image (but different) what gives us the right to "Judge" any one of our fellow men? Only God/our creator can judge - yet every day I hear so called "Christians" condemning and judging others.
She already begins with the first wrong assumption. We as Christians believe Yeshua died for the whole world?!?!? No we believe, or I, that He was murdered(gave His life for His friends/apostles) and resurrected for us. That He showed us we can conquer death and receive eternal life! That He was send to the world to teach us God's word, to heal the sick and spread a message of salvation, peace and love! Let this faith be about salvation, love and peace not about death, blood and murder!
Not everyone will profess Jesus. Not everyone on Earth has heard of Jesus ie. any remote society that has not bn touched by missionaries, if there are any left. The Christian doctrine does not appeal to everyone. The Creator cannot b boxed into a religion. The Creator is much more than religion. Spirituality, a person's personal relationship with the Creator is what's important. Some people get there thru religion some people sit & observe nature for the creator is Everywhere not just n the sky.
Yes, actually this was a very informative & insightful commentary from Bishop Schori- I enjoy her confident, gentle speaking style.As a 'conservative ' christian, I nevertheless, agree with her central contention that God has made promises to the ancestors of the hebrew&muslim peoples in the Bible- these are non-refutable. Where we potentially depart relates to the substance or wording of her contention that calling on the name of Jesus as Lord is a 'work". No-that is the means to access grace
Great news everyone! I'm working with legislators in my state to enable lawyers the power to marry gay and lesbians. This will eliminate much of the conflict of what we all feel. In the name of Jesus Amen!
Only cowardly assholes insult people for their religion from behind a computer screen. You should learn to live and let live when it comes to things like this.
It wouldnt be if you were actually pointing out something, all I see is someone with Christian hate issues flaming people from the safety of his computer screen simply for their religion.
I'll humor you on that zeus bit though, I probably would think you're a bit different. However I would NOT go on some random video or forum meant for the followers of the great zeus and insult a community of people just discussing their own religion and minding their own business.
@KaeruthePaladin, well, therein lies the rub, friend. You Christians DON'T "mind your own business."
You attempt, with often great success, to poison our government, our schools, and our culture with your brand of superstition. Christianity, as well as other superstitions, has constantly retarded the advancement of knowledge and understanding of the natural world. You claim "faith" as a positive attribute, all the while not realizing that your "faith" is based solely on ignorance.
@judoyodan Playing devils advocate here, I hope you realize that there is actual physical and scientific evidence backing up many of the claims in the bible. Meanwhile people who say it's all based on faith are taking a leap of faith themselves without a single piece of evidence other than personal choice. Don't be fooled into thinking because science explains things that god must not exist, science may explain things but those things would still exist if science did not.
@theuppro, let me guess, you have been TOLD that there is evidence backing up "many of the claims" in the bible, but you haven't actually done research to verify it?
That must be the case, you see, because it is either that - or you are woefully ignorant and subject to dogmatic nonsense.
There is no more scientific evidence backing up the fantastic claims in the bible than there is for Harry Potter.
That is the message I'm trying to relay to this guy, just because you pursue knowledge and a greater understanding of the universe does not mean you have to turn into some Christian hating abomination reminiscent of a nazi.
As I said I know of quite a few Christian Professors and Scientists, simply hating Christianity does not qualify you as a "smart person".
First of all I never once said I was a Christian, second of all I've explained to you in great detail why what you're doing is wrong. What you're doing is about two steps away from racist behavior, you're falsely labeling a group of people with all kinds of crazy accusations.
Christians are in no way standing in the way of this "Advancements of knowledge", in fact I know of quite a few Christian Professors and scientists.
@KaeruthePaladin, What I am doing is NOT wrong. Reasonable people must continue to laugh at and scorn Christianity and other superstitions. For unless these delusions recieve enough ridicule, some will mistake them for an alternative to reality. If, enlightened, we sit idly by, we are just as culpable.
Religion is a bane, a scourge on our society and intellect. I do what I must to point this out to people.
Why is it, that you'll have such low self esteem, that you'll can neither connect with god nor accept that anyone else can without being an exclusive member of ur cult.. It seems that god has a sense of humor bcus he made Islam which copies all ur delusions point by point but ones up by saying that Jesus was prophet but Muhammed's the LAST and most accurate prophet LOL.. cristians & muslims deserve each other.. the rest of the world isnt a flock of sheep that needs a shepard.. u guys r so weak..
This is sad. They're in a church that names the name of Jesus Christ. He says, "no one comes to the Father but by me" (Joh 14v6). She denies Him, and then they applaud.
They fail to see that Jesus Christ is the one through whom the promise to Abraham is fulfilled. Those who are in Christ are the seed of Abraham (Gal 3v28). Abraham rejoiced to see the Messiah's day (Joh 8v56).
Pray for Jews and Muslims to open their hearts and to humble themselves so that they may receive the grace to see.
@DanielJohn2300 That's not what the Presiding Bishop said at all; If you listen closely, she said that we "Christians" have access to GOD through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. BUT, BUT, BUT! She is saying that the Bible also tells us that GOD has offered himself to other faith traditions and that is not for us to decide how that can be. So, Jew's, Muslim's and other non-christian traditions have access to GOD as well and how that is is up to GOD.
@furley523 Technically, she is speaking truth. God's promises to the descendants of Abraham and Ismael are not broken. Amen. Salvation is not for us to decide. Amen again. However, these statements are partial truths, a type of deception. The whole truth is that God's promises are fulfilled through the Savior Jesus Christ, and He has decided on some who are not saved. For example, He warns us that whoever denies Him before man will be denied by Him before our Father in heaven (Mat 10v33).
@DanielJohn2300 Listen to what she says. Nothing she says goes against the bible quotes. You're just hooked on your own interpretation. You approach Jesus like a check list intellectually. It's a fraudulent approach. A rose by another name still smells as sweet!
@BungleZippie I agree that it's fraudulent to approach Jesus like a checklist intellectually. His people are not saved by mental assent to facts. They're saved (from sin and death) by God's gift of grace through faith.
I listened again. Apparently, you think she's saying they access God through Jesus unconsciously. That's still false, because they deny Jesus before man (Mat 10v33). If they don't believe Jesus, then Jesus has not saved them (Mat 16v15-16) and they're not saved (Acts 4v12).
Have to strongly disagree with her in this clip. I believe the only way to the Father is through the Son. I do believe that we should live good Christian lives being led by the Holy Spirit. Also the fruits of the Spirit should be evident in our lives. Other faiths do not teach that Jesus was the Messiah. Other faiths teach that Jesus was just another prophet. What makes us Christians different is that we believe Jesus is God the Son (2nd person of the Trinity).
It's quite difficult to beleive that this woman is an Episcopal Bishop. Unless, of course, heresy is now Epsicopal dogma - which to be honest, judging from her statements and othe Episcopal Bishops statements - it ceratinly seems to be. The Dalai Lama? Since when does the idea of reincarnation become entertained Western/Chirstian thought? She ought to read what the Talmid says about Christ before blindly agreeing with the Jewish covenant. And Islam? No need to even go there.
@jmanexpress You should goto peru or somewhere you can experience ayahuasca or even better for christians I think would be the amanita muscaria mushroom. That Jesus qoute will become more true for you than it ever has been. Just make sure you go deep enough and have an experienced shaman working with you. I've been researching religion and seeking truth my entire life and once you experience the truth you can never deny him.
@unfailingpromise No, Jesus said he had come to "seek and save the lost" to die on the cross as a substitute for you and me, to pay our sin dept in full.He calls everyone to repent and trust in him as the Savior "Enter through the narrow gate for broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are those who go in by it, but narrow is the way and small is the gate that leads to life and few will find it" -Matthew 7...The narrow gate is the Lord Jesus Christ, you must enter this gate
@jmanexpress If you think he was saying that in relation to himself, I think you are mistaken. The narrow way is the way of the heart, broad is the way that leads to destruction from egoic and spiritually unconscious thinking. Jesus wasn't selfish, he said "before Abraham was, I Am" meaning he Is what was before Abraham. He wasn't physically alive before Abraham, so he was refering to the Spirit. The same goes for I am the way, the truth, and the light, knowing the Father through the spiritual.
Quite frankly you have imposed your own philosophical ideas on to Jesus, without letting Jesus be Jesus.Now you may disagree with Jesus when he claimed to be the unique son of God and the means by which God offers you reconciliation and forgiveness of sin, but clearly that's what he claimed. When Jesus said "Before Abraham was I AM "the claim in a Jewish context is crystal clear he is claiming to be the eternal one: God, that's how God referred to himself to Moses in during the burning
@jmanexpress God's forgiveness is unconditional in case you forgot, He isn't selfish, this is a human trait. Are you sure it isn't you who isn't allowing Jesus be Jesus? And are you sure you yourself don't have any philosophical ideas of your own, or do you really feel that you have exclusivity over heaven? Sorry if I'm wrong. The early Jews sought to stone Jesus for many reasons, all stemming from their misinterpretations from their perceptions that were influenced by ego and fear.
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. Leviticus 20:13
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. Exodus 21:15 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife,
both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10
Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks. Psalms 137:9
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 1) First of all you're an atheist, so if there is no god there are no objective morals, which means morality is relative. you lack the transcendent objective moral framework to derive notions of good and justice, so if you are going to make a moral critique of Christian theism you have left the bounds of you're atheism and are using a moral framework that exists only in christian theism, to critique Christian theism! you are being inconsistent .
@jmanexpress I agree that there is no God and no objective morality. I agree that I can do anything and whatever I desire without any ultimate reward or consequences. Yet I do good anyway. I define good as that which promotes the well being of all living things to the best of my ability, be they myself, friends, family, strangers, animals, and even plants because we are all part of the same Darwinian family tree.
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 1) you have made some assumptions about me that are unfounded, that's good your honest enough to face the implications of you're atheism, so that would mean that your definition of good, would to be merely a subjective illusion and the opposite if your definition is equally valid.Say for instance someone defined rape as being good, now rape may be detrimental to the "well being" of the human spies, but the rapist isn't doing
(PART 2) anything wrong or evil in an objective sense, its all relative according to your worldview, Now i don't think you can live that out. Now my worldview says no, evil is not relative or arbitrary, evil is real.God's character which is good has defined a real value of justice and goodness, hes etched his character on your conscience,human beings s aren't just hunks of primordial slime evolved to a higher order (accidents) they have endowed with intrinsic value and significance
@jmanexpress If you choose to define good as "anything God says in the Bible"then we are in disagreement for some of the bible verses conform to my definition of good and I then follow them like"Love thy never as thine self" but some do not (like the ones I posted earlier for example),so I do not follow them. Because morality is objective, it's up to the individual to decide where to draw the lines. You choose the bible to guide you, as Muslims choose the Koran, as I choose humanistic teachings.
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 2) anything wrong or evil in an objective sense, its all relative according to your worldview, Now i don't think you can live that out. Now my worldview says no, evil is not relative or arbitrary, evil is real.God's character which is good has defined a real value of justice and goodness, hes etched his character on your conscience,human beings s aren't just hunks of primordial slime evolved to a higher order (accidents) they have endowed with.......
@jmanexpress Lastly, merely because you choose the word of God as written in the Bible to define your take on morality does not mean that God actually exists. If I chose to follow the guide lines of the Cat in the Hat, it may result in me living a joyous life and be quite fulfilling, but it wouldn't mean that the Cat in the Hat actually existed regardless of how much the author Dr. Seuss may insist that he was inspired by the Cat in the Hat.
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 3) intrinsic value and significance because they have been created by God in his image for a plan and a purpose, and when you violate that value of justice, and violate a women like that , to strip her of her dignity , that is dehumanizing, abhorrent and absolutely evil,And you will be held accountable for that by a justice and righteous God maybe not in this life but certainly in the next .I can make moral judgements as theist like "rape is evil" you cant on atheism
that's one reason why atheism is false because atheism demands morals relativism, which contradicts our moral intuitions which inform us that certain actions are objectively evil.Our conscience that ties us into real objective morals, then tie us into a moral lawgiver: God .Objective morals do exist therefore God exist
@PeacefulAtheist1 "Lastly, merely because you choose the word of God as written in the Bible to define your take on morality does not mean that God actually exists"
yeah that's pretty obvious, I don't believe God exists because the bible says he exists I have reasons to believe God exists independent of the bible (origin of the universe, design and complexity of biological systems, fine tuning of initial conditions to promote intelligent life , objective morals etc...)
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 5) Lastly, merely because you choose the word of God as written in the Bible to define your take on morality does not mean that God actually exists"
yeah that's pretty obvious, I don't believe God exists because the bible says he exists I have reasons to believe God exists independent of the bible (origin of the universe, design and complexity of biological systems, fine tuning of initial conditions to promote intelligent life , objective morals etc...)
@jmanexpress All of your so called proofs from outside the Bible have nothing to do with Christianity due to ALL other religions being able to claim the same things (origin of the universe, design and complexity of biological systems, fine tuning of initial conditions to promote intelligent life, objective morals etc...) as supporting evidence for their beliefs. Also, when you study more about the natural world you learn more about the natural world. Not the supernatural world.
Respond to this video... ... and if you think rape would increase the willing cooperation of the people within a community helping them lead more productive and uplifting lives, thus increasing their well being, then you seem to know little about rape. Morality is subjective. I could define good as that which decreases the well being of myself and others but I choose not to. You CHOOSE to define your definitions of good based on the word of God, you could choose not too. It's free will.
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 1 ) if there is no God you don't even have freewill, Darwin understood this, that we are biologically predetermined to do things thus should be relieved of any culpability of our actions. Morality is subjective? so you would acknowledge then that the rapist, Hitler or the person who tortures a child for fun isn't doing anything objectively evil then, that's his definition of good and its just as valid as yours.That's the logical conclusion of atheism.
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 2) obviously anyone of the great monotheistic faiths could appeal to the same evidence for believe in God.My point was once you establish God exists, the question then becomes has God revealed himself or made himself known? That's were Jesus Christ enters the picture who had the audacity to claim to reveal God accurately.He claimed be the d
efinitive and unique revelation of God.This is were the credentials of Christ come into play
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 6) I am came to belief in God due to observations of the natural world, the question then became has God made himself known or revealed himself decisively and uniquely in the person of Jesus Christ? and because Jesus is someone of tremendous creditability and impeccable credentials, I accept him as revealing God accurately.Jesus Christ is trustworthy unlike any other option or ism is, which is why i put my faith in 4 years ago and he hasn't steered me wrong ever since
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 2) Even Richard Dawkins in the God delusion acknowledges if God does not exist, then it follows objective moral vales and duties don't don't ether.In the words of Dostoevsky "if there is no God all things are permissible" So quite frankly you are being inconsistent with your own worldview when you charge God, with being unjust and unloving. Now if you want to know how as a Christian I reconcile those passages with the justice of God, then I'm open to discussion
you really can not 'interpret' these words literally, Jesus is spiritual so does God. this spiritual thing exists in other forms of religion, they just do not call HIM "Jesus"
@roboticsun I read everything literally, if its poetry i read it literally as poetry, if its parable I read it literally as parable, if its historical narrative i read it literally as historical narrative, you don't need a PhD it biblical hermeneutics to interrupt that clearly unmistakably Jesus claimed to be God, now maybe he was a lunatic or a fraud but that's what he claimed.Don't impose your own bias on to the claims of Jesus , let Jesus be Jesus
At minute 1:40 onward, she says nothing that isn't biblically based, only God knows who he will chose, ultimately and the time and hour. Her job, as ALL of our jobs, is to be the best Christian--in living the very most Christlike life--in our own lives. If more people did that, and DEFENDED those who did that, others would come to Christ. Still waiting for our President to send a message to the Muslims in the Arab world that routinely kill our brothers and sisters--that it won't be tolerated.
The woman is very misinformed, should not be teaching in the first place, and offers no evidence for her claims. She is a heretic teaching false things.
@badboyfrvr So anyone who uses their own logic with the Bible is right? Like Harold Camping? Or should we go tp what Scripture clearly teaches alone and not mix our opinions? How do you reconcile her claims with this text: "Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." She's merely repeating the lie of universalism condemed in all official church creeds and confessions
@KeithTruth Harold Camping claimed/claims knowledge of when the Judgement Day will come, but Jesus said that only his Father knows when that will come. So Harold Camping's claim are moot in light of the Bible.
She never said that she supports universal salvation. She said that she sees some godliness in other people of other religions. She said that she doesn't concern herself much about who's going to get saved, but leaves that to God.
@KeithTruth Anyway, that verse doesn't preclude that Jesus only revealed himself to the Jews. Maybe he showed himself under a different form to other peoples.
@badboyfrvr No you're in serious error, damnable error. Jesus' advent as Christ of Christianity is the faith once for all delivered to the saints: "Jud 1:3 ...contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." If he showed himself in different forms that would be another faith delivered to the saints. Your view also contradicts that fact that Jesus appeared once for all "Heb 9:26 he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."
@KeithTruth Maybe. :P But I really see no reason to accept all the Bible's texts as divinely inspired. Also have you seen my other response about what you said she claimed?
@badboyfrvr If you don't believe the Bible then admit you're a person who goes off their own mind instead and make it clear you're not a Christian who adores the word of God so that you don't deceive real Christians who may have limited knowledge of their Scripture. That is what this woman should do as well. Those who believe Scripture need to understand that it condemns you and this woman. Thats all I am saying. You're free in the matter not to believe the Bible.
@KeithTruth I don't need to say I'm a Christian to talk about the Bible. What I said could have been reasoned out by any Christian. I said nothing wrong before because I was clearly talking in the context of that verse.
I still see no reason to believe Scripture condemns the Bishop. She in no way said people of other faiths will be saved. She expressed her human empathy but in the end said that it's God's prerogative, as any person of valid faith will say.
For someone who supposedly knows the bible you got it all wrong. Bible says repeatedly that Jesus is the only way to God. Jesus said that He was the only way to God also many times. You read way too much into one sentence in the whole bible and forget about every where else in the bible where it is written many times that Jesus is the only way. God's Promise to Ishmal (the Arabs) was that He God would bless them & they are still blessed. The Arab nations are one of the richest in the World.
@sweet21784 That Jesus is the only way to God doesn't mean believe in his existence specifically takes you to God. It doesn't mean that ways that seem different from Jesus aren't the same Jesus wrapped around cultural and traditional overtones, but still The Way.
I'm reading the comments on here and...c'mon, really. Imagine! Full grown adults arguing over differing interpretations of their favorite fairy tale! It's amazing! If you walked into a room full of children reading Harry Potter (though I doubt any of you would put yourselves in such a compromising situation), and they came to you crying because Dumbledore died, what would you do? You would smile benignly and reassure them that it's just make believe. That's what I feel like here.
As I read the Bible: Jesus said, "I AM the Way, the Truth & the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through ME. If you had known ME, you would have known my Father also. (John 14:6,7). Dear ++KJS, to do the best you can is Pelagianism, a heresy. To speak with our lips "Jesus is Lord" is an affirmation of faith, not a work. Only the elect can have the authentic fruits of the Spirit.
@AusDisciple God is universal and his love is universal!! 'Works of darkness' are in the human heart (its called sin!) -and are found across people of all faiths and none. Salvation is that which rejects sin and embraces that which is righteous... that which is righteous is and always will be accessible to ALL - regardless of religious belief, culture or history. GOD loves ALL. No ifs or buts!!
@willhum Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
@willhum its not "regardless of religious belief". are you you not aware of the first commandment? thou shalt have no other God before me. think about it.
@RCACsurvivorman yes, to ween ancient Jews off polytheism and get them onto monotheism. This is what the first commandment is about and why it was written at the time.
Jesus went up to be our advocate on the right hand side of God, He left his Spirit, which is our comforter, The birth of the Spirit of God, as we know being born again into that same Spirit.
Romans 10 verse 9
That which accends must decend first.
In this video she speaks that Christians believe not by works alone least anyone should boast. You can't make it BY WORKS ALONE but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus is the word manifested in the flesh.
The blood sacrifice of Jesus was the Greatest sacrifice anyone could possible make The Lamb of God without spot or blemish to suffer before the world, so that the world could see innocent blood shed for the quilty, and yet they still want to make it as though he shed his blood in vain. Some will come in the last hour (Jews, etc.) when they realize who they ordered to be hung on the cross, and when asked how come you are not working?, because they were not hired yet.
Galatians chapter 5, Know the difference between the WORKS of the Flesh verses the Fruit of the Spirit.
Jesus taught in parables because they did not understand what they could see, so how could they possibly understand what they did not see, Spiritual.
The flesh is weak but the Spirit is strong. God is Spirit therefore we must worship him in Spirit and in Truth. No Man is going to enter into this gate without the Grace and Truth of Jesus the gate keeper who owns the keys.
The Fruit of the Spirit verses the works of the Flesh, you can't make it by the Works of the Flesh.
Only through the Fruit of the Spirit, as of which Jesus gave all that he had even his life to teach, with compassion, grace, truth, deliverence from the works of the flesh.
And now they talk about the fleshly works as though they know what they are talking about. LOL!!!
@timestandingstill I know Jim, this is so sad because people follow these teachings like sheep to the slaughter, but won't grasp the simplicity of the true gospel message.
@logannichols63 You are so right logan. This is the same old one world new age teaching!the grace is through what Christ did for us on the cross! Nothing else!
"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." (1 John 2:22-23) Ms. Jefferts-Schori is in SERIOUS doctrinal error. Folks like Gandhi, or other unbelievers in Christ, DO NOT have access to God. Scripture is CLEAR that CHRIST is the ONLY way to get to the Father & if you deny Him, you deny the Father.
WRONG!!!!! THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH jESUS CHRIST HIS SON!!!!!! What you are teaching is of the devil!!!!!! Open up your Bible and read it.... Now there an idea! People dont be deceived by these lies!!!
@tayboandkarbo Actually, reading the bible is the #1 reason why people leave Christianity. When I read it for myself, I realized it is the most disgusting book ever compiled. It's also sad that in our modern era, people still read this mythology and say, "Oh wow! I don't think logically or rationally, so I'm going to believe what this ancient book tells me! Yay! Now I'm smarter than all those silly scientists that advance the frontier of technology that I use everyday!" Please... lol
In response to this video: It was Jesus' death and resurrection that brought salvation for all mankind (past and present) and made all God's promises come true. Jesus said in John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and He also said in John 8:47 "Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Why would you get dressed up on Sunday morning, drive through the snow or rain or whatever, park and walk and find a seat to sit under false teaching that is clearly condemned in the Scripture, (a woman shouldn't preach or teach) and believe in that teaching which is contrary to the scripture, applaude at some heretical ideas spewing from the mouth of the "pastor" and THE CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN! Why would you want to be included when you are so far from the Truth? Pure Heresy!
You do have to claim that Jesus is your Lord and saviour. You must confess that he is the son of God and believe in your heart and then turn away from Sin.....Lady you need to be saved!
Got a question for this heretic. Do you hold to the 39 articles of faith? If you do, how so?
You need to desperately take systematic theology again and I don't recommend an Episcopal Seminary.
Then a basic course in morality because there is no way you can justify the stealing of many Parish churches when you don't even hold the deed to the property. That sounds like the tactics of the Pharisees.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12. "The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Lk 20:17-18. "preachers" preach the Word faithfully! I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jn 14:6 TRUTH abides forever!
You should not be preaching what you 'feel' but only what the Bible teaches. It's not up to the minister to inject his feelings into anything...feelings can get all of us in to trouble!
No true Christian has ever denied that all people have access to God. The problem is, KJS claims to be "not too worried about the mechanism" where the scriptures clearly state about Jesus that there is "no other name (or mechanism, for that matter) by which we must be saved"
And by the way, doesn't Paul explain that Hagar's children are not the children of promise, but that of bondage? What is this woman preaching? Oops that right, she is not supposed to be preaching anyway ..
awaitthegroom had it right when he said that God did not promise eternal salvation for Hagar's children. Not only do Muslims "not consciously accept Christ" they openly reject Him as the Lamb of God when they recite "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet." at their mandatory public profession. I don't know how a minister could skew God's Word so much and still hold an office.
I will sound harsh, but this woman is a heretic who needs her ordination revoked. She blows off the entire message of the gospel. Jeremiah did write that a new covenant of the Spirit would replace the covenant of the Law. If Jews are saved without consciously accepting Christ, why did Jesus mourn for his rejection above Jerusalem? "Whoever does not know the Son does not know the Father." And rejection of the sacrifice is rejection of your sins being forgiven.
Watching this makes me so glad I left the Episcopal Church almost 20 years ago. The one thing I do admit she is right about is that there are things we just do not understand. There are some things that we see that do not seem to make sense in the light of other things that we see or believe. For many of us, these things will probably remain unreconciled for our entire lives here on earth. Humility is called for, in light of that.
This is another example of ignorance of context. The rpomises ot Ishmael in Genesis are that God assures that he will bring forth a mulitudinous nation and will be an angry and hostile people- this does not secure them eternal promise- merely tells us that this would happen which it has- He then says---- BUT my covenant is with Isaacs seed.
Typical new age western interpretation which denies everything Jesus says especially John 14;6- you should be worried about the mechanism because that is salvation and that is what Jesus died for. Grace is found in Jesus Christ alone.
"What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone"
@dvdeaglewings So am I supposed to trust you when you say to trust the bible? The Bible says alot of things hun, like not to eat Shrimp. Should I protest Red Lobster and Sushi Bars?
When will the New York Times print a retraction if Shori was misquoted? As far as I know, there has been no retraction.
englishteach26 1 day ago
Very well said Katharine! We sure miss you @ Trinity.
All the best, David
469Shooter 3 days ago
I'm very thankful for this video. I'm looking for a new church, after not going to one for years, and now I know I will definitely stay away from the Episcopal Church. Jesus is Lord and such a wonderful gift of salvation everybody can have. Why is this so hard for people to accept?
SaucyWench7 1 month ago
@SaucyWench7 i wonder the same thing
MrSupasexi 4 weeks ago
Wow! Aside from embodying the apostasy of the Episcopal "church," she then has the nerve, the sheer audacity to suggest that true believers are, if not guilty, than nigh to the Unforgivable Sin of Blaspheming the Holy Ghost by being faithful to the Bible and Christian teaching?!? The subtext of what she says around 1:24 onward is that the only people who may be clearly drifting towards damnation are those people Christians who reject the work of Gandhi as inspired by God.
AurosSopherai 1 month ago
"I'm not too worried about the mechanism." Then go be a new age polyglot and get away from a Christian congregation. I am specifically focused on the "Mechanism" (the saving grace of Christ) and if she can't be, because she has lost her faith, then she should resign rather than teach her lapsed-faith views.
liturgistic 1 month ago
Religion often appears to be about control... many comments here seem to underline that... Jesus was about compassion and inclusion.... we are responsible for our beliefs and behaviors... and we need to question everything and everyone including ourselves and shoulder our responsibility
jlynnwm 1 month ago
she totally contradicted herself in this video she says people can be good and have God like qualities (works) and then she says to say that we choose Jesus as Savior is a work which denies grace. She says God made promises to Ismael's that were not broken. God never promised Ismael's seed salvation through Mohammed or Allah. This Lady is a Heretic! A straight up LIAR!!
biggdad1 2 months ago
@biggdad1 God mus be the liar! He made promises in Genesis to the Abrahamic peoples through Hagar and Ismael. Go read it for yourself. The Bishop is correct.
469Shooter 3 days ago
Just because people "seem to have the fruits of the spirit" as she says doesn't mean anything. 2 Timothy 3:5 "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away." People love anything inclusive but they ignore that Jesus said he will tell people "Go away, I never knew you." People want to please themselves and others so they ignore such things.
Ambiduros 2 months ago
Seriously..... The whole world has access to God through Christ. This is a perfect example of revelation, the end times. This dose not line up with the teachings of Jesus, Christ fulfilled the laws, As far as Muslim, in genesis it talks about the two nations contending with one another. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Jesus says no man can come to the father but through me.
Ryanyz80 2 months ago
Typical liberalism, ofcourse with the sneer against those other christians, who donot go for her theology, the sneer, the setting aside 'you are bad', with which liberal theology always goes.
bloepbloep200 3 months ago
She's a heretic, and her teachings are not "a part of Christianity."
Scorianos 3 months ago 2
Christianity isn't soft and weak it's a strong and firm faith non-compromising Yeshua established that as our faith but when people look at the broad road and say it's the right path are deceiving themselves. Their is one God and one smart as hell devil, their is one way to get to god and many ways to get to the devil.
DreamingOutLoud33 3 months ago 2
Until the end comes everyone will have a chance to hear about the messiah Jesus christ, that let's the believer know that everyone will have a chance to hear about the bible. Not labeling you but in general not everyone who says to me lord lord will enter my kingdom, broad is the road to destruction and narrow is the gate to salvation. Ask yourself if a Buddhist watched this and believed this would you be responsible for his/her damnation???
DreamingOutLoud33 3 months ago
As an atheist let me tell all you religious people that it makes you look ridiculous when you argue over the path you must take to earn your gods love. There are 2 billion Christians in the world out of about 7 billion. So 5 billion are going straight to hell no questions asked? It shows how divided Christianity really is, even in its own circles.
JImmy4336 3 months ago
@JImmy4336 It's typical of people to think that their beliefs or way of life is the "only correct and right way". So anyone who doesn't believe the same things as they do is doomed in their eyes. I will admit, I am a Christian but I don't think people are gonna go to hell just because they aren't Christian. Because, if God is a God of Love, and if He loves every human being, why would He abandon any group of people because of whatever they are?
AngelWingsVIII 3 months ago
@AngelWingsVIII Well I'm glad to see that there are at least some Christians that think that way. Although, i must say, i think you are in the minority out of the 2 billion Christians in the world. Never the less, I do appreciate that some Christians like you believe that your God loves everyone.
JImmy4336 3 months ago
@AngelWingsVIII "You are too just to tolerate evil; You are unable to condone wrongdoing." Habakkuk 1:13
God is holy, He can not accept our sin, but He loves us, yes!
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." John 3:16
"That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus & believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9
God DOES love us!
one4christ7 1 month ago
@one4christ7 You forgot to mention John 3:17. That sums up Jesus' mission. He says so Himself!
469Shooter 3 days ago
"I believe that the whole world has access to god...ummm...I'm just not too worried about the mechanism..." When do you think its appropriate to worry? Did you worry before you were a Bishop? Before you were a Priest? As a Deacon? Did you ever think about it at baptism, or holy communion? Such a lax attitude towards salvation speaks volumes about your opinion of God - god offers grace cheaply, his son needn't die...I think Grace was costly and atonement necessary: this is worth worrying about.
Fibreglassfaith 4 months ago
You have got to ask yourself if the bible if full of metaphors and whether you should take everything verbatim. We are all of the same creator, this is pretty evident in the way we are constructed. If our creator - God ~created us all in his own image (but different) what gives us the right to "Judge" any one of our fellow men? Only God/our creator can judge - yet every day I hear so called "Christians" condemning and judging others.
reconnectwithme 4 months ago 2
She already begins with the first wrong assumption. We as Christians believe Yeshua died for the whole world?!?!? No we believe, or I, that He was murdered(gave His life for His friends/apostles) and resurrected for us. That He showed us we can conquer death and receive eternal life! That He was send to the world to teach us God's word, to heal the sick and spread a message of salvation, peace and love! Let this faith be about salvation, love and peace not about death, blood and murder!
royalsteven 4 months ago
Not everyone will profess Jesus. Not everyone on Earth has heard of Jesus ie. any remote society that has not bn touched by missionaries, if there are any left. The Christian doctrine does not appeal to everyone. The Creator cannot b boxed into a religion. The Creator is much more than religion. Spirituality, a person's personal relationship with the Creator is what's important. Some people get there thru religion some people sit & observe nature for the creator is Everywhere not just n the sky.
AmenAmenet 4 months ago
Yes, actually this was a very informative & insightful commentary from Bishop Schori- I enjoy her confident, gentle speaking style.As a 'conservative ' christian, I nevertheless, agree with her central contention that God has made promises to the ancestors of the hebrew&muslim peoples in the Bible- these are non-refutable. Where we potentially depart relates to the substance or wording of her contention that calling on the name of Jesus as Lord is a 'work". No-that is the means to access grace
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MyOwnWorld1966 4 months ago
This is why woman are not allowed to be ministers. Not to mention the fact she is cross-dressing as a man.
Surfxeo 5 months ago
I like her message a lot..
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Logos777productions 5 months ago
Only children and the insane believe in invisible beings.
judoyodan 6 months ago
@judoyodan
Only cowardly assholes insult people for their religion from behind a computer screen. You should learn to live and let live when it comes to things like this.
KaeruthePaladin 6 months ago
@KaeruthePaladin, How is it "cowardly" to simply point out the fact that religions are nothing more than delusional psychosis?
How would you think of me if I worshipped Zeus, the God of Gods, and conducted my life to "please" him?
You would consider me crazy, and rightly so.
judoyodan 6 months ago
@judoyodan
It wouldnt be if you were actually pointing out something, all I see is someone with Christian hate issues flaming people from the safety of his computer screen simply for their religion.
I'll humor you on that zeus bit though, I probably would think you're a bit different. However I would NOT go on some random video or forum meant for the followers of the great zeus and insult a community of people just discussing their own religion and minding their own business.
KaeruthePaladin 6 months ago
@KaeruthePaladin, well, therein lies the rub, friend. You Christians DON'T "mind your own business."
You attempt, with often great success, to poison our government, our schools, and our culture with your brand of superstition. Christianity, as well as other superstitions, has constantly retarded the advancement of knowledge and understanding of the natural world. You claim "faith" as a positive attribute, all the while not realizing that your "faith" is based solely on ignorance.
judoyodan 6 months ago
@judoyodan Playing devils advocate here, I hope you realize that there is actual physical and scientific evidence backing up many of the claims in the bible. Meanwhile people who say it's all based on faith are taking a leap of faith themselves without a single piece of evidence other than personal choice. Don't be fooled into thinking because science explains things that god must not exist, science may explain things but those things would still exist if science did not.
theuppro 6 months ago
@theuppro, let me guess, you have been TOLD that there is evidence backing up "many of the claims" in the bible, but you haven't actually done research to verify it?
That must be the case, you see, because it is either that - or you are woefully ignorant and subject to dogmatic nonsense.
There is no more scientific evidence backing up the fantastic claims in the bible than there is for Harry Potter.
judoyodan 6 months ago
@theuppro
That is the message I'm trying to relay to this guy, just because you pursue knowledge and a greater understanding of the universe does not mean you have to turn into some Christian hating abomination reminiscent of a nazi.
As I said I know of quite a few Christian Professors and Scientists, simply hating Christianity does not qualify you as a "smart person".
KaeruthePaladin 5 months ago
@judoyodan
First of all I never once said I was a Christian, second of all I've explained to you in great detail why what you're doing is wrong. What you're doing is about two steps away from racist behavior, you're falsely labeling a group of people with all kinds of crazy accusations.
Christians are in no way standing in the way of this "Advancements of knowledge", in fact I know of quite a few Christian Professors and scientists.
KaeruthePaladin 5 months ago
@KaeruthePaladin, What I am doing is NOT wrong. Reasonable people must continue to laugh at and scorn Christianity and other superstitions. For unless these delusions recieve enough ridicule, some will mistake them for an alternative to reality. If, enlightened, we sit idly by, we are just as culpable.
Religion is a bane, a scourge on our society and intellect. I do what I must to point this out to people.
I don't despise Christians - just Christianity.
judoyodan 5 months ago
Why is it, that you'll have such low self esteem, that you'll can neither connect with god nor accept that anyone else can without being an exclusive member of ur cult.. It seems that god has a sense of humor bcus he made Islam which copies all ur delusions point by point but ones up by saying that Jesus was prophet but Muhammed's the LAST and most accurate prophet LOL.. cristians & muslims deserve each other.. the rest of the world isnt a flock of sheep that needs a shepard.. u guys r so weak..
JustAStoner 6 months ago
The Episcopal Church has embraced heresy and is collapsing.
Reazzurro90 7 months ago
sad, sad. blind guides of the blind. may God have mercy.
philip2260 7 months ago
This is sad. They're in a church that names the name of Jesus Christ. He says, "no one comes to the Father but by me" (Joh 14v6). She denies Him, and then they applaud.
They fail to see that Jesus Christ is the one through whom the promise to Abraham is fulfilled. Those who are in Christ are the seed of Abraham (Gal 3v28). Abraham rejoiced to see the Messiah's day (Joh 8v56).
Pray for Jews and Muslims to open their hearts and to humble themselves so that they may receive the grace to see.
DanielJohn2300 7 months ago
@DanielJohn2300 The whole world is going to HELLLLLLLLLLL...........in a handbasket!
shjtyu 7 months ago
@DanielJohn2300 That's not what the Presiding Bishop said at all; If you listen closely, she said that we "Christians" have access to GOD through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. BUT, BUT, BUT! She is saying that the Bible also tells us that GOD has offered himself to other faith traditions and that is not for us to decide how that can be. So, Jew's, Muslim's and other non-christian traditions have access to GOD as well and how that is is up to GOD.
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@furley523 Technically, she is speaking truth. God's promises to the descendants of Abraham and Ismael are not broken. Amen. Salvation is not for us to decide. Amen again. However, these statements are partial truths, a type of deception. The whole truth is that God's promises are fulfilled through the Savior Jesus Christ, and He has decided on some who are not saved. For example, He warns us that whoever denies Him before man will be denied by Him before our Father in heaven (Mat 10v33).
DanielJohn2300 4 months ago
@DanielJohn2300 Listen to what she says. Nothing she says goes against the bible quotes. You're just hooked on your own interpretation. You approach Jesus like a check list intellectually. It's a fraudulent approach. A rose by another name still smells as sweet!
BungleZippie 4 months ago
@BungleZippie I agree that it's fraudulent to approach Jesus like a checklist intellectually. His people are not saved by mental assent to facts. They're saved (from sin and death) by God's gift of grace through faith.
I listened again. Apparently, you think she's saying they access God through Jesus unconsciously. That's still false, because they deny Jesus before man (Mat 10v33). If they don't believe Jesus, then Jesus has not saved them (Mat 16v15-16) and they're not saved (Acts 4v12).
DanielJohn2300 4 months ago
Such acrimony in the comments below... religion is a truly divisive issue.
auriciangelescu 7 months ago
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wavertree558 6 months ago
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@auriciangelescu
"religion is a truly divisive issue."
Not at all. All religions are equal in that they're all incredibly stupid.
MomoTheBellyDancer 6 months ago
@auriciangelescu truth is exclusive
jmanexpress 6 months ago
Have to strongly disagree with her in this clip. I believe the only way to the Father is through the Son. I do believe that we should live good Christian lives being led by the Holy Spirit. Also the fruits of the Spirit should be evident in our lives. Other faiths do not teach that Jesus was the Messiah. Other faiths teach that Jesus was just another prophet. What makes us Christians different is that we believe Jesus is God the Son (2nd person of the Trinity).
mrpsichi 7 months ago
It's quite difficult to beleive that this woman is an Episcopal Bishop. Unless, of course, heresy is now Epsicopal dogma - which to be honest, judging from her statements and othe Episcopal Bishops statements - it ceratinly seems to be. The Dalai Lama? Since when does the idea of reincarnation become entertained Western/Chirstian thought? She ought to read what the Talmid says about Christ before blindly agreeing with the Jewish covenant. And Islam? No need to even go there.
wavertree558 7 months ago
Jesus said "I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the Father except through me" enough said
jmanexpress 8 months ago 7
@jmanexpress this entire church is a heresy and is not Christian!
kustacma10 6 months ago
@jmanexpress Apparently Katharine Jefferts believes she knows just a little bit more than Jesus, who is God. Interesting.
4SmallGov 6 months ago
@jmanexpress You should goto peru or somewhere you can experience ayahuasca or even better for christians I think would be the amanita muscaria mushroom. That Jesus qoute will become more true for you than it ever has been. Just make sure you go deep enough and have an experienced shaman working with you. I've been researching religion and seeking truth my entire life and once you experience the truth you can never deny him.
theuppro 5 months ago
@jmanexpress Do you think maybe he was eluding to the way we can only get close to God if we live by the example he lived?
unfailingpromise 5 months ago
@unfailingpromise No, Jesus said he had come to "seek and save the lost" to die on the cross as a substitute for you and me, to pay our sin dept in full.He calls everyone to repent and trust in him as the Savior "Enter through the narrow gate for broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are those who go in by it, but narrow is the way and small is the gate that leads to life and few will find it" -Matthew 7...The narrow gate is the Lord Jesus Christ, you must enter this gate
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress If you think he was saying that in relation to himself, I think you are mistaken. The narrow way is the way of the heart, broad is the way that leads to destruction from egoic and spiritually unconscious thinking. Jesus wasn't selfish, he said "before Abraham was, I Am" meaning he Is what was before Abraham. He wasn't physically alive before Abraham, so he was refering to the Spirit. The same goes for I am the way, the truth, and the light, knowing the Father through the spiritual.
unfailingpromise 5 months ago
Quite frankly you have imposed your own philosophical ideas on to Jesus, without letting Jesus be Jesus.Now you may disagree with Jesus when he claimed to be the unique son of God and the means by which God offers you reconciliation and forgiveness of sin, but clearly that's what he claimed. When Jesus said "Before Abraham was I AM "the claim in a Jewish context is crystal clear he is claiming to be the eternal one: God, that's how God referred to himself to Moses in during the burning
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress God's forgiveness is unconditional in case you forgot, He isn't selfish, this is a human trait. Are you sure it isn't you who isn't allowing Jesus be Jesus? And are you sure you yourself don't have any philosophical ideas of your own, or do you really feel that you have exclusivity over heaven? Sorry if I'm wrong. The early Jews sought to stone Jesus for many reasons, all stemming from their misinterpretations from their perceptions that were influenced by ego and fear.
unfailingpromise 4 months ago
@unfailingpromise (PART 2) encounter, thats why the Jews stoned him for blasphemy
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress And God said:
If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. Leviticus 20:13
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. Exodus 21:15 If a man commits adultery with another man's wife,
both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10
Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks. Psalms 137:9
Ahh yes, the loving word of God.
PeacefulAtheist1 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 1) First of all you're an atheist, so if there is no god there are no objective morals, which means morality is relative. you lack the transcendent objective moral framework to derive notions of good and justice, so if you are going to make a moral critique of Christian theism you have left the bounds of you're atheism and are using a moral framework that exists only in christian theism, to critique Christian theism! you are being inconsistent .
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress I agree that there is no God and no objective morality. I agree that I can do anything and whatever I desire without any ultimate reward or consequences. Yet I do good anyway. I define good as that which promotes the well being of all living things to the best of my ability, be they myself, friends, family, strangers, animals, and even plants because we are all part of the same Darwinian family tree.
PeacefulAtheist1 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 1) you have made some assumptions about me that are unfounded, that's good your honest enough to face the implications of you're atheism, so that would mean that your definition of good, would to be merely a subjective illusion and the opposite if your definition is equally valid.Say for instance someone defined rape as being good, now rape may be detrimental to the "well being" of the human spies, but the rapist isn't doing
jmanexpress 5 months ago
(PART 2) anything wrong or evil in an objective sense, its all relative according to your worldview, Now i don't think you can live that out. Now my worldview says no, evil is not relative or arbitrary, evil is real.God's character which is good has defined a real value of justice and goodness, hes etched his character on your conscience,human beings s aren't just hunks of primordial slime evolved to a higher order (accidents) they have endowed with intrinsic value and significance
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress If you choose to define good as "anything God says in the Bible"then we are in disagreement for some of the bible verses conform to my definition of good and I then follow them like"Love thy never as thine self" but some do not (like the ones I posted earlier for example),so I do not follow them. Because morality is objective, it's up to the individual to decide where to draw the lines. You choose the bible to guide you, as Muslims choose the Koran, as I choose humanistic teachings.
PeacefulAtheist1 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 2) anything wrong or evil in an objective sense, its all relative according to your worldview, Now i don't think you can live that out. Now my worldview says no, evil is not relative or arbitrary, evil is real.God's character which is good has defined a real value of justice and goodness, hes etched his character on your conscience,human beings s aren't just hunks of primordial slime evolved to a higher order (accidents) they have endowed with.......
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress Lastly, merely because you choose the word of God as written in the Bible to define your take on morality does not mean that God actually exists. If I chose to follow the guide lines of the Cat in the Hat, it may result in me living a joyous life and be quite fulfilling, but it wouldn't mean that the Cat in the Hat actually existed regardless of how much the author Dr. Seuss may insist that he was inspired by the Cat in the Hat.
PeacefulAtheist1 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 3) intrinsic value and significance because they have been created by God in his image for a plan and a purpose, and when you violate that value of justice, and violate a women like that , to strip her of her dignity , that is dehumanizing, abhorrent and absolutely evil,And you will be held accountable for that by a justice and righteous God maybe not in this life but certainly in the next .I can make moral judgements as theist like "rape is evil" you cant on atheism
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 4)
that's one reason why atheism is false because atheism demands morals relativism, which contradicts our moral intuitions which inform us that certain actions are objectively evil.Our conscience that ties us into real objective morals, then tie us into a moral lawgiver: God .Objective morals do exist therefore God exist
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 "Lastly, merely because you choose the word of God as written in the Bible to define your take on morality does not mean that God actually exists"
yeah that's pretty obvious, I don't believe God exists because the bible says he exists I have reasons to believe God exists independent of the bible (origin of the universe, design and complexity of biological systems, fine tuning of initial conditions to promote intelligent life , objective morals etc...)
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 5) Lastly, merely because you choose the word of God as written in the Bible to define your take on morality does not mean that God actually exists"
yeah that's pretty obvious, I don't believe God exists because the bible says he exists I have reasons to believe God exists independent of the bible (origin of the universe, design and complexity of biological systems, fine tuning of initial conditions to promote intelligent life , objective morals etc...)
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress All of your so called proofs from outside the Bible have nothing to do with Christianity due to ALL other religions being able to claim the same things (origin of the universe, design and complexity of biological systems, fine tuning of initial conditions to promote intelligent life, objective morals etc...) as supporting evidence for their beliefs. Also, when you study more about the natural world you learn more about the natural world. Not the supernatural world.
PeacefulAtheist1 5 months ago
Respond to this video... ... and if you think rape would increase the willing cooperation of the people within a community helping them lead more productive and uplifting lives, thus increasing their well being, then you seem to know little about rape. Morality is subjective. I could define good as that which decreases the well being of myself and others but I choose not to. You CHOOSE to define your definitions of good based on the word of God, you could choose not too. It's free will.
PeacefulAtheist1 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 1 ) if there is no God you don't even have freewill, Darwin understood this, that we are biologically predetermined to do things thus should be relieved of any culpability of our actions. Morality is subjective? so you would acknowledge then that the rapist, Hitler or the person who tortures a child for fun isn't doing anything objectively evil then, that's his definition of good and its just as valid as yours.That's the logical conclusion of atheism.
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 2) obviously anyone of the great monotheistic faiths could appeal to the same evidence for believe in God.My point was once you establish God exists, the question then becomes has God revealed himself or made himself known? That's were Jesus Christ enters the picture who had the audacity to claim to reveal God accurately.He claimed be the d
efinitive and unique revelation of God.This is were the credentials of Christ come into play
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 #definitive
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 6) I am came to belief in God due to observations of the natural world, the question then became has God made himself known or revealed himself decisively and uniquely in the person of Jesus Christ? and because Jesus is someone of tremendous creditability and impeccable credentials, I accept him as revealing God accurately.Jesus Christ is trustworthy unlike any other option or ism is, which is why i put my faith in 4 years ago and he hasn't steered me wrong ever since
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@PeacefulAtheist1 (PART 2) Even Richard Dawkins in the God delusion acknowledges if God does not exist, then it follows objective moral vales and duties don't don't ether.In the words of Dostoevsky "if there is no God all things are permissible" So quite frankly you are being inconsistent with your own worldview when you charge God, with being unjust and unloving. Now if you want to know how as a Christian I reconcile those passages with the justice of God, then I'm open to discussion
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress
you really can not 'interpret' these words literally, Jesus is spiritual so does God. this spiritual thing exists in other forms of religion, they just do not call HIM "Jesus"
roboticsun 5 months ago
@roboticsun I read everything literally, if its poetry i read it literally as poetry, if its parable I read it literally as parable, if its historical narrative i read it literally as historical narrative, you don't need a PhD it biblical hermeneutics to interrupt that clearly unmistakably Jesus claimed to be God, now maybe he was a lunatic or a fraud but that's what he claimed.Don't impose your own bias on to the claims of Jesus , let Jesus be Jesus
jmanexpress 5 months ago
@jmanexpress 3) "If those who lead you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and
you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."
unfailingpromise 4 months ago
@jmanexpress YES !!!!!!!
2good1 3 months ago
me also applaud her with standing ovation
TheGuilanvi 8 months ago
At minute 1:40 onward, she says nothing that isn't biblically based, only God knows who he will chose, ultimately and the time and hour. Her job, as ALL of our jobs, is to be the best Christian--in living the very most Christlike life--in our own lives. If more people did that, and DEFENDED those who did that, others would come to Christ. Still waiting for our President to send a message to the Muslims in the Arab world that routinely kill our brothers and sisters--that it won't be tolerated.
ScottMacFie 8 months ago
to him that worketh not,but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly.,his faith is counted for rightousness
77purplepeopleeater 8 months ago
The woman is very misinformed, should not be teaching in the first place, and offers no evidence for her claims. She is a heretic teaching false things.
KeithTruth 9 months ago
@KeithTruth She's using her God-given reason using the bible. Logic requires no evidence, it is compelling in and of itself.
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
@badboyfrvr So anyone who uses their own logic with the Bible is right? Like Harold Camping? Or should we go tp what Scripture clearly teaches alone and not mix our opinions? How do you reconcile her claims with this text: "Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." She's merely repeating the lie of universalism condemed in all official church creeds and confessions
KeithTruth 8 months ago
@KeithTruth Harold Camping claimed/claims knowledge of when the Judgement Day will come, but Jesus said that only his Father knows when that will come. So Harold Camping's claim are moot in light of the Bible.
She never said that she supports universal salvation. She said that she sees some godliness in other people of other religions. She said that she doesn't concern herself much about who's going to get saved, but leaves that to God.
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
@KeithTruth Anyway, that verse doesn't preclude that Jesus only revealed himself to the Jews. Maybe he showed himself under a different form to other peoples.
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
@badboyfrvr No you're in serious error, damnable error. Jesus' advent as Christ of Christianity is the faith once for all delivered to the saints: "Jud 1:3 ...contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." If he showed himself in different forms that would be another faith delivered to the saints. Your view also contradicts that fact that Jesus appeared once for all "Heb 9:26 he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."
KeithTruth 8 months ago
@KeithTruth Maybe. :P But I really see no reason to accept all the Bible's texts as divinely inspired. Also have you seen my other response about what you said she claimed?
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
@badboyfrvr If you don't believe the Bible then admit you're a person who goes off their own mind instead and make it clear you're not a Christian who adores the word of God so that you don't deceive real Christians who may have limited knowledge of their Scripture. That is what this woman should do as well. Those who believe Scripture need to understand that it condemns you and this woman. Thats all I am saying. You're free in the matter not to believe the Bible.
KeithTruth 8 months ago
@KeithTruth I don't need to say I'm a Christian to talk about the Bible. What I said could have been reasoned out by any Christian. I said nothing wrong before because I was clearly talking in the context of that verse.
I still see no reason to believe Scripture condemns the Bishop. She in no way said people of other faiths will be saved. She expressed her human empathy but in the end said that it's God's prerogative, as any person of valid faith will say.
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
Some of you need to re-listen what she said....
furley523 9 months ago
Psalm 139
7breh 10 months ago
For someone who supposedly knows the bible you got it all wrong. Bible says repeatedly that Jesus is the only way to God. Jesus said that He was the only way to God also many times. You read way too much into one sentence in the whole bible and forget about every where else in the bible where it is written many times that Jesus is the only way. God's Promise to Ishmal (the Arabs) was that He God would bless them & they are still blessed. The Arab nations are one of the richest in the World.
sweet21784 10 months ago 2
@sweet21784 That Jesus is the only way to God doesn't mean believe in his existence specifically takes you to God. It doesn't mean that ways that seem different from Jesus aren't the same Jesus wrapped around cultural and traditional overtones, but still The Way.
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
@sweet21784 The Arab nations may be some of the richest nations of the world, but the Arab people aren't. Few arab people are.
badboyfrvr 8 months ago
I'm reading the comments on here and...c'mon, really. Imagine! Full grown adults arguing over differing interpretations of their favorite fairy tale! It's amazing! If you walked into a room full of children reading Harry Potter (though I doubt any of you would put yourselves in such a compromising situation), and they came to you crying because Dumbledore died, what would you do? You would smile benignly and reassure them that it's just make believe. That's what I feel like here.
JoshwithaJ 11 months ago
@JoshwithaJ ...and yet...here you are!
1macboo 11 months ago
I wish more preachers were like her. Well said!
JoshwithaJ 11 months ago
As I read the Bible: Jesus said, "I AM the Way, the Truth & the Life. No one comes to the Father, except through ME. If you had known ME, you would have known my Father also. (John 14:6,7). Dear ++KJS, to do the best you can is Pelagianism, a heresy. To speak with our lips "Jesus is Lord" is an affirmation of faith, not a work. Only the elect can have the authentic fruits of the Spirit.
padreallenp 11 months ago
Wow!!! Lies and deception. I suppose she also rejects John 14:6?
This smells of universalism to me!
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
AusDisciple 11 months ago
@AusDisciple God is universal and his love is universal!! 'Works of darkness' are in the human heart (its called sin!) -and are found across people of all faiths and none. Salvation is that which rejects sin and embraces that which is righteous... that which is righteous is and always will be accessible to ALL - regardless of religious belief, culture or history. GOD loves ALL. No ifs or buts!!
willhum 11 months ago
@willhum Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
AusDisciple 11 months ago
@willhum its not "regardless of religious belief". are you you not aware of the first commandment? thou shalt have no other God before me. think about it.
RCACsurvivorman 11 months ago
@RCACsurvivorman yes, to ween ancient Jews off polytheism and get them onto monotheism. This is what the first commandment is about and why it was written at the time.
willhum 8 months ago
Jesus went up to be our advocate on the right hand side of God, He left his Spirit, which is our comforter, The birth of the Spirit of God, as we know being born again into that same Spirit.
Romans 10 verse 9
That which accends must decend first.
In this video she speaks that Christians believe not by works alone least anyone should boast. You can't make it BY WORKS ALONE but by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus is the word manifested in the flesh.
We accept his word.
timestandingstill 11 months ago
The blood sacrifice of Jesus was the Greatest sacrifice anyone could possible make The Lamb of God without spot or blemish to suffer before the world, so that the world could see innocent blood shed for the quilty, and yet they still want to make it as though he shed his blood in vain. Some will come in the last hour (Jews, etc.) when they realize who they ordered to be hung on the cross, and when asked how come you are not working?, because they were not hired yet.
They will know in the last
timestandingstill 11 months ago
Galatians chapter 5, Know the difference between the WORKS of the Flesh verses the Fruit of the Spirit.
Jesus taught in parables because they did not understand what they could see, so how could they possibly understand what they did not see, Spiritual.
The flesh is weak but the Spirit is strong. God is Spirit therefore we must worship him in Spirit and in Truth. No Man is going to enter into this gate without the Grace and Truth of Jesus the gate keeper who owns the keys.
timestandingstill 11 months ago
@timestandingstill You are SOOOO full of shit! Do you actually listen to yourself? It's the bible FFS! It's not real!!!! Get over it.
JoshwithaJ 11 months ago
@JoshwithaJ I'm sorry you have never had an experience with the Knowledge of My Lord and Savior.
The reason I call him my Lord and Savior is because he showed me a greater way to live.
"Through his precepts I gain understanding, therefore I hate every false way/" Psalms 119 verse 104.
Oh and by the way God shall not be mocked, for whatsoever a man sows he shall also reap.
Amazing how Gods word is so true. Did I tell you his precepts made a GOOD difference in my life and my families.
timestandingstill 11 months ago
Jesus is the Great I Am.
John 1 verse 17 For the Law was given by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ.
If you take Jesus out of the picture you might as well take Grace and Truth out as well.
It plainly states No man can enter in except by Jesus Christ.
timestandingstill 11 months ago
@timestandingstill Amen Jim! Only through Jesus! Liz
Lachance8 11 months ago
@Lachance8 Liz, they haven't quit got it yet.
The Fruit of the Spirit verses the works of the Flesh, you can't make it by the Works of the Flesh.
Only through the Fruit of the Spirit, as of which Jesus gave all that he had even his life to teach, with compassion, grace, truth, deliverence from the works of the flesh.
And now they talk about the fleshly works as though they know what they are talking about. LOL!!!
timestandingstill 11 months ago
@timestandingstill I know Jim, this is so sad because people follow these teachings like sheep to the slaughter, but won't grasp the simplicity of the true gospel message.
Lachance8 11 months ago
Wow. I think I just became an Episcopalian.
rosiejourney 11 months ago
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WOAH, that is horrible. She will deny ever speaking those words against Jesus Christ, because HE will deny her if she doesn't repent.
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 10:33
Jacki79 1 year ago
WOW!! How can those people sit there and listen to this?!?! Makes me sick in my spirit.
Rileyportbay 1 year ago
This is blasphemy. This is satanic preaching. She is teaching lies, Satan is the father of all lies.
Jesus is THE way, THE truth, THE life, NO ONE comes to the father except through Jesus Christ! John 14:6
Not through Ghandi, not through Muhammad, not through this Fool Katharine Jefferts Schori! It's through JESUS!
And it is a conscious decision to CHOOSE Jesus!
She is teaching heresy, and contrary to the Bible. I rebuke her in Jesus name.
logannichols63 1 year ago
@logannichols63 You are so right logan. This is the same old one world new age teaching!the grace is through what Christ did for us on the cross! Nothing else!
Lachance8 11 months ago
@Lachance8 Through God's grace alone! Through the cross! Through Jesus! AMEN AMEN AMEN.
logannichols63 11 months ago
Thank God for the Episcopal Church.
LawdHelp 1 year ago
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"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." (1 John 2:22-23) Ms. Jefferts-Schori is in SERIOUS doctrinal error. Folks like Gandhi, or other unbelievers in Christ, DO NOT have access to God. Scripture is CLEAR that CHRIST is the ONLY way to get to the Father & if you deny Him, you deny the Father.
CalebDPhillips 1 year ago
I have a video which speaks about this. No one will make it to heaven EXCEPT through Jesus
AnthonyT1978 1 year ago
WRONG!!!!! THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH jESUS CHRIST HIS SON!!!!!! What you are teaching is of the devil!!!!!! Open up your Bible and read it.... Now there an idea! People dont be deceived by these lies!!!
tayboandkarbo 1 year ago
@tayboandkarbo Actually, reading the bible is the #1 reason why people leave Christianity. When I read it for myself, I realized it is the most disgusting book ever compiled. It's also sad that in our modern era, people still read this mythology and say, "Oh wow! I don't think logically or rationally, so I'm going to believe what this ancient book tells me! Yay! Now I'm smarter than all those silly scientists that advance the frontier of technology that I use everyday!" Please... lol
earthboy21 1 year ago
In response to this video: It was Jesus' death and resurrection that brought salvation for all mankind (past and present) and made all God's promises come true. Jesus said in John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." and He also said in John 8:47 "Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Browser4boss 1 year ago
HERETIC! Acts 4:12 ESV ..And there is Salvation in no one else, For there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.
spellbiff 1 year ago
HERETIC!
spellbiff 1 year ago
ladyy you iss crraaazy
izzyvulaca 1 year ago
i thought faith without works is dead? hmm
thedollfacer 1 year ago
Why would you get dressed up on Sunday morning, drive through the snow or rain or whatever, park and walk and find a seat to sit under false teaching that is clearly condemned in the Scripture, (a woman shouldn't preach or teach) and believe in that teaching which is contrary to the scripture, applaude at some heretical ideas spewing from the mouth of the "pastor" and THE CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN! Why would you want to be included when you are so far from the Truth? Pure Heresy!
chefjimmie1 1 year ago
You do have to claim that Jesus is your Lord and saviour. You must confess that he is the son of God and believe in your heart and then turn away from Sin.....Lady you need to be saved!
Leahsdaddy30 1 year ago 2
@Leahsdaddy30 AMEN to that!!!!
tayboandkarbo 1 year ago
Got a question for this heretic. Do you hold to the 39 articles of faith? If you do, how so?
You need to desperately take systematic theology again and I don't recommend an Episcopal Seminary.
Then a basic course in morality because there is no way you can justify the stealing of many Parish churches when you don't even hold the deed to the property. That sounds like the tactics of the Pharisees.
Shame on you.
SkiesVibrant 1 year ago
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12. "The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner? Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Lk 20:17-18. "preachers" preach the Word faithfully! I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jn 14:6 TRUTH abides forever!
HISservant21 1 year ago
Now i understand y the bible says women can not preach...
Bebito21pa 1 year ago
woman preaching? wait a second, it sais in the bible that they cant do that?
checkeraka47 1 year ago
Lady..........your lost !!
meknowscodes 1 year ago
You should not be preaching what you 'feel' but only what the Bible teaches. It's not up to the minister to inject his feelings into anything...feelings can get all of us in to trouble!
burstofapplause 1 year ago
@burstofapplause Amen
diginfortruth 1 year ago
No other name under heaven (except Jesus) whereby we must be saved.
burstofapplause 1 year ago
No true Christian has ever denied that all people have access to God. The problem is, KJS claims to be "not too worried about the mechanism" where the scriptures clearly state about Jesus that there is "no other name (or mechanism, for that matter) by which we must be saved"
briank1977 1 year ago
The main reason I am not an Episcopalian...
clarkbailey1973 1 year ago
And by the way, doesn't Paul explain that Hagar's children are not the children of promise, but that of bondage? What is this woman preaching? Oops that right, she is not supposed to be preaching anyway ..
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
(John 14:6) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me"
(1 John 2:23) "Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also"
Is that what they are teaching in the episcopalian / anglican church today? The denial of the very words of Jesus Christ himself?
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
awaitthegroom had it right when he said that God did not promise eternal salvation for Hagar's children. Not only do Muslims "not consciously accept Christ" they openly reject Him as the Lamb of God when they recite "There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet." at their mandatory public profession. I don't know how a minister could skew God's Word so much and still hold an office.
Hyenashowl 1 year ago
I will sound harsh, but this woman is a heretic who needs her ordination revoked. She blows off the entire message of the gospel. Jeremiah did write that a new covenant of the Spirit would replace the covenant of the Law. If Jews are saved without consciously accepting Christ, why did Jesus mourn for his rejection above Jerusalem? "Whoever does not know the Son does not know the Father." And rejection of the sacrifice is rejection of your sins being forgiven.
Hyenashowl 1 year ago
Watching this makes me so glad I left the Episcopal Church almost 20 years ago. The one thing I do admit she is right about is that there are things we just do not understand. There are some things that we see that do not seem to make sense in the light of other things that we see or believe. For many of us, these things will probably remain unreconciled for our entire lives here on earth. Humility is called for, in light of that.
briteness 1 year ago
She is repeating Protestant doctrine.
SolarWinds63 1 year ago
This woman is not a Christian... Episcopalians should remove the cross as a reminder, because they are the anti christ and deny Jesus Christ.
SolarWinds63 1 year ago
@SolarWinds63 I agree! This wicked lady doesn't know what she's talking about!
xiaolong143 1 year ago
This woman is not a Christian...
SolarWinds63 1 year ago
This is another example of ignorance of context. The rpomises ot Ishmael in Genesis are that God assures that he will bring forth a mulitudinous nation and will be an angry and hostile people- this does not secure them eternal promise- merely tells us that this would happen which it has- He then says---- BUT my covenant is with Isaacs seed.
awaitthegroom 1 year ago
Typical new age western interpretation which denies everything Jesus says especially John 14;6- you should be worried about the mechanism because that is salvation and that is what Jesus died for. Grace is found in Jesus Christ alone.
awaitthegroom 1 year ago
what she is saying is contrary to the passage john 14:6
TheHarvestFest 1 year ago
You are no christian. Christians believe the Bible and you don't. You had better repent or you will perish. ( warnings of wrath . com )
warningsofwrath 1 year ago
She is a heretic.
bella50008 1 year ago
Romans 9: 30-32
"What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith; but the people of Israel, who pursued the law as the way of righteousness, have not attained their goal. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone"
enjoyyourrabbit1 1 year ago
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY OF SALVATION !!. That's what the Bible says !!.
Trust the Bible, don't trust any other resources contrary to God's word.
dvdeaglewings 1 year ago
@dvdeaglewings So am I supposed to trust you when you say to trust the bible? The Bible says alot of things hun, like not to eat Shrimp. Should I protest Red Lobster and Sushi Bars?
earthboy21 1 year ago