Mythbusters Flag Test for the Cognitively Impaired

[Cosmored]

Everyone should watch this video.

/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00

(do a YouTube search on "windyz.wmv ")

It shows that the when we watch the continuous footage of the Apollo flag, it comes to a stop the way the flag in atmosphere did in the Mythbusters experiment. Mythbusters proved the Apollo flag was in atmophere.

I'll bet this gets marked as spam.

[nrobnas43]

Don't ever believe we went to the moon, folks. It was the biggest hoax of all. It can be proven that the launch and splash down happened on the same day. The moon videos were filmed on Earth. Then it was all edited and spliced together to make a convincing film to show the world. A lot of people don't believe and that is why NASA is making these silly videos. Do your research and listen to what NASA says today. They can't go to the moon. Research it. China CLEP space program, too.

[LunarTuner]

@nrobnas43, it can be proven that the launch and splashdown happened on the same day? I'd like to see that! And NASA did not make this "silly video"--I DID!

NASA can't go to the moon today, true. And you cannot fly your airplane to Tahiti. Why not? Because you probably don't HAVE an airplane! That is the ONLY reason NASA can't land on the moon today. Could NASA go? Of course! The technology exists on paper. No aerospace engineer in ANY country would deny that.

[goblin072]

Yea is as expected except it was not done in 1/6 gravity. Actually effects in 1/6 gravity are not as easy as it may seem. Less gravity to pull the flag down but also less gravity to slow the flag down when it moves upward. The friction from the fabric itself would be constant.

Another thing they did not account for is the temp on the moon.

I did see another moon flag vid where it was stationary but moved when a astronaut moved past it. He did not touch it, this was not addressed.

[LunarTuner]

goblin, I'll refer you to this flag video.

watch?v=dMZmrVPUFgc

[goblin072]

Thanks!

A word of advise to all. Never ever ask Buzz Aldrin

if he went to the moon :)

He looks like a mean drunk. Or ex drunk, heard he is clean now.

[thirdclass2006]

He only acted out against Bart Sibrel, who accused him of being a liar (amongst other things).

[bweazel]

I find it funny how you guys and mythbusters always pick the weakest theories to attack. When people discuss the flag waving they're not referring to this. Most refer to the shot where the astronaut is hopping past the flag and causes it to move from the turbulence he causes in Earth's air. It was filmed in Nevada. We didn't go to the moon. Get over it. Not sure why you guys want it to be true so bad. Not like we had anything to do with it. You need a moon landing to feel good about yourself? ;)

[ytmoog]

Yet interestingly Tuner specifically addressed that one in one of his other videos...

It is an interesting one however.

One thing that is not usually shown is the long length of time the flag swung for.

And as the mythbusters showed in a vacuum the flag would swing for far longer.

As for the 'air' this short clip is from the same EVA and it shows the lack of air and the lower lunar gravity clearly :

watch?v=sk5GiF_mX5w

[FoosMasoos]

You know what the problem is with this "debunking" the flags on the "moon" move or wave like the do as the flag in "air". I watched some of those moon videos and the flags stop moving pretty quickly, just like in the video you have marked "air" vs "vacuum". So maybe you should split screen "air", "vacuum" and "moon" to settle this

[SirMildredPierce]

Of course most hoax shills just fall back on the explanation that since the vacuum chamber is a NASA vacuum chamber then the test can't be trusted, because NASA is in cahoots with DUMBLEDORE and what everyone has failed to see is that the vacuum chamber is a MAGIC vacuum chamber.........

When I try to tell them Snape killed Dumbledore before the Mythbusters did this test, they're all like 'oh like that matters, blah blah blah...

hahaa great video, mate! Keep 'em coming!

[TyraMysoux]

why some people take everything so personally?!

There just some interesting facts and I like to see and hear more about that.

[RaiderX]

Hoax believers are usually gullible ignoramuses. In the case of most people on YouTube, however, they are people who are in fact intelligent and/or knowledgeable, but they are usually the non-conformist and elitist type people who need to bash the commonly accepted things in the society because they simply cannot be like everyone else, believing something that everyone else believes.

[EGMAG]

moon liars no go moon

[PublicAccessCabler]

No go Antarctica either. You can't go outside if it's that cold out! Silly science...

[invasivenorman]

Relax. This was filmed for a movie.

[EGMAG]

invasivenorman Relax. This was filmed for a movie. >>

Why are there metal hoisting clasps on large rocks...spotlights in visors...several light sources.....no stars...improper communication delays...and the list goes on and on and on. Just open your mind IF your interested and consider all the simple to understand evidence that is on u-tube and the entire internet!

[LunarTuner]

EGMAG, your interpretation suggests that the vast majority of the scientific world is wrong.

There are no "metal hoisting clasps." You saw a fiber on a photo in processing and interpreted it as a clasp.

You don't understand the LEVA visor assembly, so you interpreted a reflection as a spotlight, when no such image appears.

You say several lighting sources, but see only 1 shadow.

Stars CANNOT show in daytime photo settings.

And communication delays are often edited out for obvious reasons.

[EGMAG]

LunarTuner scientific world is wrong. <<

Even Albert Einstein would shit his pants if he knew what bullshit the apollo claims were! In fact Al is sitting on the dumper watching You Tube moon hoax right now rooting for the Moon hoax scientists.

[LunarTuner]

EGMAG, putting your thoughts into Einsteins mind. I'm sure other youtubers will find you quite entertaining if not a self-aggrandizing numbskull!

EGMAG against the scientific world. Happy martyrdom, dude.

[EGMAG]

Yes! LUNATIC Turner against logical cognitive discernment!

[robdmhaze]

SILLY HOAXTARD GET A LIFE ...

[paule133]

Take a towel, hang it up in such a way over a bar that it is long 70cm and leave it to rockers. You will be able to observe a swinging for instance 30-40s long. The oscillation period will amount to for instance 2s :)

That is the influence of air. In Vakuum the duration would be 1.4s.

[LunarTuner]

paule133, at towel? Why a towel? A towel is much heavier than a nylon flag! The ratio of weight to air resistance will not be the same. Why do this? The video already demonstrates the oscillation period for a flag in air and without air. You have it backwards.

And you did not offer the equation you used to get 3.4 s.

[paule133]

Oh Yes. I did offer the equation 3 times! You must only read.

[SpreadingtheMuse]

I've read back myself and I cant find it. I'm a physics teacher so Im therefore VERY curious as to how you got that number ;)

[LunarTuner]

paule133, sorry, I've been very busy for a few days.

2.4 should be the ratio of moon period in a vacuum to earth period in a vacuum, but I have no idea where you got 3.4 from. To know what the period SHOULD be, you would have to know the dimensions of the flag and have an equation for flag oscillation (not for a pendulum). Neither of these equations is enough.

You seem to have measurements and equations the rest of us don't have.

[paule133]

In Vakuum on *earth* you can measure at 2:24 a period of 1,4s

watch?v=9EMr8H1vmOo&feature=ch­annel_page

On moon it *must* be 1,4s * sqrt(9,81/1,62) = 3,4s

But here on 2:38 you can measure on "moon" 2,0s

watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4&feature=ch­annel_page

That is the same period as you get with a towel of 70cm longiness (as flag) in air on the earth :)

If 2,0s on "moon" would be true, then the flag in vacuum chamber must have a period of 0,81 s.

But it has 1,4s :)

Therefore: Hoax !

[LunarTuner]

SpreadingtheMuse, he claims to be a German mechanical engineer who works in research and development. He wrote me an offline message filled with insults. Unfortunately, that's about the only part of his English I understood.

[SpreadingtheMuse]

Its always "claimed" isnt it? ;)

Just once I'd like to meet a conspiraholic who reads above the 8th grade level.

[philkarn]

I think I understand what paule133 is trying to say: if the period of the flag swing on earth is 1.4 sec, then it must be sqrt(6) x longer on the moon, or 3.4 sec. That would be true for a classic pendulum, which this is not. Also, it assumes the exact same flag - we don't know if the test and NASA flags are the same size and construction. US flags vary a lot. Even their shape varies: 1.6, 1.667, all the way to 1.9:1.

[philkarn]

There is moon footage of swinging things that come much closer to modeling the classic pendulum. Apollo 14 has a equipment door deployment lanyard that swings for quite some time, and both the period and the undamped amplitude are completely consistent with being on the moon. The ALSJ has a good analysis for use in a science class.

There are also MANY other illustrations of the moon's 1/6 g.

[HypnoPants]

@philkarn

- in otherwords, it's so incredibly inconclusive and so frustratingly hard to guage any evidence as such... that we really ought to stop wasting time on old videos and wait until NASA goes BACK*cough* to the moon approximately in 2020.

In which case, if they do set up an outpost there, they will no doubt run experiments to kick conspiracy theorists in the pants :)

Even if conspiracy theorists were right about the moon hoax, we do have the technology now to really make it there.

[philkarn]

No, that's not what I said. There is a huge amount of evidence consistent with Apollo having successfully reached the moon in 1969-1973. All "hoax proofs" to the contrary rely on uninformed speculation, wishful thinking, misconceptions about physics, misinterpretation, and deliberate deception.

I'd like us to go back to the Apollo landing sites just to see how the materials held up to 40 years of that environment. The flags are probably dust from UV exposure.

[bweazel]

Misinformed speculation? Hmmm. No. There's plenty of shots that you can obtain straight from NASA that show the astronauts standing in front of the crosshairs on the camera. Or other equipment covering parts of the crosshairs. So what we saw were shots of the Moon from probes most likely with astronauts pasted in. And since we have these shots and can clearly see they have been altered or completely fabricated we have to ask is any of this real. I wonder why NASA has never sent probes back.

[philkarn]

Well, funny you should mention those examples because they are in fact very well known examples of misinformed speculation. Crosshair bleed is very common on very bright parts of an image, such as a white spacesuit. Why does this one keep coming back?

You're not following the news. LRO has already returned some nice pictures of the Apollo landing sites, especially Apollo 14.

[goblin072]

Those photos are super blurry. Could have photo-shopped those.

I put those in the same realm as Blurry UFO photos. Its swamp gas!

[bweazel]

Do we? How can you be so sure about that? I'd like to know the affects of the Van Allen radiation belts on living organisms first, before you can say we have the technology to do anything. There are some obstacles here that NASA has not even discussed. And since there has been no tests on living organisms in the Van Allen radiation belts all we have to go off of is NASA's word that they sent humans through it. Wow. How scientific.

[HypnoPants]

@bweazel

- umm... why exactly was your reply to my message in particular? lol

On that note, you can provide the million to billions of dollars to run those tests you've requested... that, and ethics would probably get in the way.

[ytmoog]

"And since there has been no tests on living organisms in the Van Allen radiation belts...."

What makes you think that?

The Russians in particular have sent many living organisms through the Van Allen belts.

Cosmos 110 for example took two dogs which passed repeatedly through the lower VAB for 22 days.

They returned unharmed.

The belts and their properties have been studied in great detail.

[loperspest]

Bull funk and crab apples.

Cosmos 110 sent two dogs in and out of the lower Van Allen Belt for 22 days and the total dose was 12 rads. Zond 5 and 7 sent turtles, flies, plants, bacteria and HUMAN CELLS on a lunar flyby and returned them back to Earth. The only changes noted were 'genetically stable' and no mention, at least in the abstract of massive cell death from the radiation.

On the NASA side, the Lunar Orbiter series carried dosimeters to measure the radiation. I can provide links.

[bweazel]

I'd appreciate the links.

[loperspest]

Here you go. Cosmos 110 oai*dtic*mil/oai/oai?verb=getR­ecord&metadataPrefix=html&iden­tifier=AD0693819 ncbi*nlm*nih*gov/pubmed/121975­40 Zond 5 & 7 ncbi*nlm*nih*gov/pubmed/119423­58 astronautix*com/details/zond59­08*htm Lunar Orbiter solarviews*com/eng/orbiter1*ht­m This may also interest you, as it debunks the claim that the photograph film would have been fogged by the Van Allen belts as several Zond probes took photos and returned the negatives to Earth. mentallandscape*com/C_CatalogM­oon*htm

[bweazel]

Thanks for the good info.

[loperspest]

You're most welcome.

[paule133]

watch?v=n1UEv2PIzl4

Measure the period of oscillation at 2:37

You will get 2,0 s

Correct would be 3,4s

Therefore that is all hoax!

[LunarTuner]

paule133, please tell me what equation you used to get that?

And while you are at it, can you explain why the flag in that video continues to oscillate back and forth for :30 seconds? Is that possible in air?

[paule133]

I know it. For me was only the vacuum experiment as reference interesting! That is it, what shows, that the moonlanding was a hoax!

With a flagwight of about 200g/m² you get in normal air on earth a period of about 2s :)

That is not possible on the moon. There must it be about 3,4s.

[LunarTuner]

paule133, your English is very hard for me to understand, unfortunately. I don't know what flag on the moon you are comparing to. Which video of a flag on the moon? I don't understand.

[paule133]

The theoreticaly time of period is 2*pi*sqrt( 2/3* hanging high / gravitionally acceleration)

The earthflag in vacuum ist correct (with corect speed) in time: 1.37s The "moonflag" ist wrong. Hoax!

[LunarTuner]

paule133, you are correct. This equation can apply to both linear and pendular motion, but you are forgetting an important force: DRAG! These two flags are both on earth experiencing earth gravity. The difference is that one is in a vacuum and experiences no drag or "parachute effect."

The point of the experiment was not to compare "earth flag" to "moon flag" because they both experience earth gravity. The point was to compare air and vacuum.

[paule133]

So, if "Moonflag" show 2,00s so must the earthflag show 0,81s and if the earthflag show 1,37s so must the "Moonflag" show 3,37s.

The earthflag shows 1,37s and the "moonflag" shows 2,0s.

Thats fake!!!!

[paule133]

With otherwise unchanged circumstances the period duration of each only oscillation affected by the gravitation will change according to t2/t1 = sqr(g1/g2). Whether flag or pendulum does not play a role!

[paule133]

The oscillating perion must be on the moon sqrt(9.81m/s³/1.62m/s²)= 2,46 longer!!!!

Video of moonflag doesnt show it.

Moonflag and Apollo is therefore a big hoax!!!

Only very stupid people believe the moonhoax.

[LunarTuner]

That equation only applies to linear, not pendular motion. What's your point? Longer than what? Do you have something to compare it too?

[olaffer]

Great video, LT! Five stars!

It is obvious that the flags START their movement at the same time the clip starts!! That none of the flags had traveled further before the clip starts!

It is SO obvious! But then again, it might not matter?

How should I know? I`m having trouble with that OTHER video of yours! I just DON`T seem to GET how wonderful and objective the Mythbusters material is!

But that`t just me. (And I`m just about everything ending with `tard.. and a kook..)

Five stars!

[Deke101]

I WOULD say, 'DUH! Obvious!' But then we are dealing with those of the kook fringe, so, five stars.

[NoCleverNames]

Great video.

[MrFireAss]

P.s. kickass Vid tuna. glad to see ya back man.

[apopheniacMCMLXXXIX]

If we're to believe the conspiritards, rational people who think for themselves, are open to scientific inquiry and don't treat science like a tool for pathetic immature conspiracy games are all brainwashed government shills. You conspiracy freaks make me laugh. :)

But WTF do I know? I'm just a brainwashed New World Order slave....

HAIL TO THE REPTILIAN BROTHERHOOD!! *SALUTES*

[MrFireAss]

LMAO!

/salute

[DrCraborkian]

Thanks for the great video!

[garleec]

Watch the video, watch and learn.