Teenage Jesus and the Jerks - Race Mixing (live in NYC 1979)

[Rankmoistmeat]

Teenage Jesus were the only No Wave band that weren't a 100% pretentious and crappy.

[00bilz]

@Rankmoistmeat

Swans in their No Wave days weren't pretentious at all though.

[mediattackrecords]

no wave has great jazz avante garde music concepts i figured them out along time ago actually

wait till you here the new WE

[hashfromplan9]

hendrix was involved in music long before Lou Reed became a hired songwriter he clearly is nd was a pop songwriter despite his claims of being avant-garde hendrix did more in 3 years than Lou had done during his entire career w/ the velvets so they did Sister Ray that wld mean something had i not known of the Fluxus movement not 2 mention Cage et al nd Lou's solo career is hysterically inconsisnt, w/ Lou sitting out guitar duties do 2 w/e hendrix nd reed were both popular with college age demos

[fasolplanetarium]

It's interesting that 'No Wave' would probably have never been known as a constituted genre were it not for Eno producing No New York. Then again, No New York also kind of started the end of No Wave.

[jmhound]

Bradley FIeld! Now there was a guy who knew how to have fun!

[davepx]

I think for anyone coming to this new-ish it's very difficult to appreciate just how shocking they were all those years ago (you need Lydia in full voice for the full onslaught). Even after punk and its offshoots, to me they remain the most scarring listening (in the best possible way) of a time when conventions were being challenged left, right & centre. Maybe they were a dead end, because there was nowhere else to take it: it just needed doing and they did it to unsurpassable effect.

[ihasch]

@davepx-No Wave is actually very backward looking. The beatnik bands like the one Debbie Harry and Charlie Nothing were involved in in 1966 did the same thing. You can also mention the noise experiments of the early Velvet Underground. So the idea that this is new has never seemed valid and seems like special pleading. What it reflects is the beatnik mentality that permeated the entire punk scene. These bands were capable of decent music when they tried.

[ihasch]

No Wave was one of those interesting episodes, but it was a dead end. It's fine to try and do away with conventions in music, but there is a reason that those conventions exist. These bands were so focused on making an "artistic" statement that they failed to make quality music. Being able to create a good song is a much greater artistic achievement than making noise on your own private island. When something is that self-defeating it's impossible to even admire its spirit.

[shinybald36]

the only people that really have something new to say musically, are those born deaf, no wave fails in its quest because the rhythm is no where near new or unique as for the harmony, well no i haven't heard very many professional using using this style but i've heard hundreds of the untrained playing shit just like this. Still i do like the noise they make, even if i don't find the message all that new or unique

[bigbruthaman]

Fucking German cunts.

[powerfullpussy]

DNA sounds like VU? gimme a break. bezgin is a moron.

[xzghl]

ありがたや～

[bonesmorebones]

RIIIIIIIIGHT! :d

[Benjabola]

This is what happens when you diss the metal.

[ThePlateaus]

actually hendrix and lou's first album, are you experienced and the velvet underground & nico were released the same year respectively and you could even say that lou was first for his 1965 failed single with the Ostriches

[AriasuperiorYT]

HOHO

I still can't play this on bass

D:

[manshowboy487]

teenage jesus is amazing

[ariesta817]

well done　。

[powerfullpussy]

now if someone can only dig up footage of Mars...

[Jewclops]

haha i love it

[hashfromplan9]

Lunch was innovative, the distinctive thing about Lydia is the fact that her personality is her art, no matter what the medium, you feel as if you know her very intimately. she has the confessional quality of Anne Sexton or Sylvia Plath. as far as atonality, in western classical it was becoming more common, however rock music as anyone knows is not classical music,but i will say Jimi Hendrix was an earlier pioneer of atonality,Lou Reed jumped on the bandwagon a little late to claim full credit

[MrBuk86]

@hashfromplan9 Lou Reed (w/ the Velvets) & Hendrix released their 1st albums the same year. Besides, Lou was a little more atonal than Hendrix I believe, but two different scenes & artists anyway.

[bezgin]

Btw particularly in Lunch's case it seems she named the same song something else and played over and over again, is this what you call dissonance?

[CodyRicheson]

Really amazing for the late 70s. People think dissonance in rock is a new thing...

[bezgin]

Dissonance is earlier my friend since the beginning of the 20th century. Wake up you can even find early examples in the youtube. These people created nothing new.

[CodyRicheson]

I'm aware of the 20the century's focus on increasing dissonance and atonality, but I was speaking from a rock context. Generally electric guitar rock up until then, if I'm not mistaking, was pretty consonant.

[bezgin]

People who claim no-wave was something new, don't know anything about rock and music history in general.

Black Angel's Death Song - VU -1967

Negativland - NEU! - 1971

Metal Machine Music - Lou Reed- 1975

[sansfutur]

No wave still sounds pretty distinct from any of those releases you mentioned.

[bezgin]

I was talking about dissonance.

[zemechanism]

@sansfutur Definetely! thumbs up!

[khanflesh]

@sansfutur Yeah, plus those were anomalous. No Wave was the first time an entire community rejected conventional notions of melody and grasped at similar concepts.

[manshowboy487]

this doesn't sound anything like any of those songs/records

[gridlink1234]

@bezgin

These are certainly influential on the genre. No wave was a backlash to the popularity of punk/new wave that had become the norm by that time. It still has relevance today i think because of it's true distaste for popular counterculture which has really nothing to say.

[powerfullpussy]

bezgin is not making a good case for himself. those records you mentioned sound nothing like the no wave records unless you are so ignorant that you think all noisy records sound the same.

[fasolplanetarium]

@bezgin So there can only be one new thing at a time? Yeah, VU was indeed incredibly innovative. So was Neu! and krautrock in its entirety. This doesn't render No Wave a redundant genre. According to your logic, VU and Neu! and Can et al were nothing new because, oh, you know, there's Tchaikovsky and Buddy Holly and stuff.

[davepx]

I never even knew footage survived. If only we had something comparable today to shake up the dreary music scene and send the dull industry hacks screaming to the exit.

[123vito321]

victims

[mantrap9]

no,no wave. no, post punk.

[noiseadicted]

this is orphans

[audiotrauma]

made me wanna dance!

[MikoSquiz]

First wave punk was artists and musicians pretending to be dumb thugs.

No Wave was dumb thugs pretending to be artists and musicians.

[tobywongcharliechang]

Other way around, bro.

[kiribula]

@MikoSquiz Crock of shit

[n3sgis]

Wait where's the rest?

[LilacNell]

Queen of Siam was great!

[brazensteel]

Equivalent to fingernails on a chalkboard.

[NORMLduder]

exactly, tool.

dissonance on purpose

[incurableparanoiac]

lydia lunch was at her best with teenage jesus (queen of siam was pretty cool too)- also, she could give some mean head, as evidenced in kern's right side of my brain

[one01ctf]

i def enjoy teenage jesus and the jerks then her solo works, even the stuff she does/did with thirgwell.

[billyhay]

this guy plays his bass like he's making bread with it

[Guttersaint]

Lydia a socialite backed by her "daddy lawyer"? HA! What comedy! You obviously know nothing about la Lunch.

Maybe an ANTI-SOCIALITE backed by poverty is more like it, you idiot. Look around you and subtract the number of artists who sold themselves to major labels, then you're finally left with Lunch who left them all in the dust. She leads, and baby, you just follow. She is more visionary than you'll ever understand....

[copingwithdowns]

She had a sweet no wave band...That's all that's good about her...And the Jerks aren't even the best no wave band of that era...Suicide and DNA surpass the Jerks in many ways...Lunch's personality SCREAMS look how different, apathetic and counter-culture I am...It gets very old after 30 years

[fasolplanetarium]

@copingwithdowns In a way I agree. Teenage Jesus was no doubt a good band, but it only emerges from the rest of the No Wave bands because it was one of the four on Eno's No New York compilation. Suicide, DNA, James Chance and even MARS surpass Teenage Jesus in almost every regard. Lydia Lunch also tends to complain a lot about things that she hasn't thought through very well too. I like the music, but some of her ideologies are undeniably uneducated and plain stupid.

[copingwithdowns]

@fasolplanetarium Oh Lydia Lunch is for sure as a person an idiot...No doubt about it.

[pamicocci60]

@copingwithdowns I met her once, she was actually pretty nice.

[fasolplanetarium]

@Guttersaint Agreed. Lydia Lunch lived in an abandoned apartment building and took showers once a week at her friend's apartment after she ran away to NY with 200 dollars at 14 and lived with James Chance in a tiny dump of an apartment.

[YouWish8]

I dont like Lydia Lunch that much but i love TJ&J alot, thank god for No New York.

[codeineparty]

I feel the same. I never got into her solo stuff, but I've loved all of the teenage jesus stuff.

[edichka83]

Nobody in America voted to listen to your half-baked tripe either, and yet here you are...

The big problem with democracy is that it allows idiots like you to vote.

[nihilisticear]

This is cake.

[miguel29092]

locolocooooooool

[xgirlfiendx]

kooool

[solwolfpunk]

loud awful noise.

[kiribula]

@solwolfpunk nice noise

[pleasureavalanche]

Lydia Lunch has a lot of good recorded material like Suicide Ocean and Dance of the Dead Children. Teenage Jesus seems like a bit of a joke compared to her later material.

[xacidxfairyx]

well, she was, afterall about 16 years old at the time

[pleasureavalanche]

Whatever. They suck. I'm keeping my opinion, shitheads.

[dubuffet69]

watching this in retrspective it all sounds so supercilious. too much self awareness I suppose. that's why I preferred groups like ESG/Y pants to this self indulgent chatter.

[devinehell]

yeah but lydia lunch has been a hangeron wannabe sencester since the 70s, using her jewish lawer daddies monies to follow her" passions" and "artistic ideas". she worse than nancy s.

[castingtherunes]

She's following her dreams. What's wrong with that? Hey, when ya have the means, go for it!

[rubendeleeuw]

I don't agree, in the 80's 'sonic youth' would not have recorded with her if she was full of shit...

And I think she actually has something to say, I mean I don't like all of her work, but I think she's intelligent.

Nancy was a loudmouth/starfucker/junkie and had NOTHING intelligent to say, so comparing them is nonsense.

[gangofanthony]

amazing.

[jakobbattick]

j'agree. I love bashing all the strings open. Best chord ever.

[Majesticon]

this sounds great. but can they move around a little, not be so bored?

[ffranzos]

That was part of the point of No Wave. It was minimalist not just in sound. She told me in 1977 before their first show that her references were a factory. Back then, James Seigfried (later to be known as JAmes Chance) was in the band, along with Bradly Field on drums and Rek on bass. I found it all kinda boring, and would rather listen to their friends, The Cramps.

[caucazoidandroid]

Yeah. They're almost industrial gamelan to me.

[SkeeterNYC]

Still sounds relevant today.

[redskull2006]

this is definelty one of their best tracks

[returnsanecho]

one of the best names for a band ever.

[simonbnyc]

Astonishing!

[pkarlicek]

great minimalism