@NeodymiumTiger "Atheists=Trolls" Wrong atheist = folks who don't believe in magic men in the sky.
If you had any comprehension skills you would have seen and heard that several of these studies were done by fundamentalist christian researchers and they got the same results.
Your threat is called an argumentum ad baculum, a fallacy. It proves what you are selling is a lie. The truth needs no threats to get people to believe it.
Do you have any proof of your never never land in the sky?
@NeodymiumTiger Sure you do. If you did you would know about statistics and averages. Further proof your IQ is not what you claim is you have fallen for the death cult of christianity and at 44 you have not figured it is just the last great invention of the pagan world.
@NeodymiumTiger indoctronation is a terrible blight on our society, hope your thinking skills lead to further inquirey. though to say your an extremley faithful christian believer, i can only conclude the god glassess are fused upon your face. shame really.
Religious training may awaken intellectual capacity in a young mind, and such traditions may provide stability and discipline necessary for personal development. Extremism, superstition and fanaticism such as seen among some Muslims and "Born Again" Christians of course, stultifies intellect. Most so-called "Bible-thumpers" in Ameridfan's "Bible Belt are lower class, overweight and operate in an environment dominated by narrow minded bigotry.
Religious conservatives/fundamenetalists are usually less intelligent than humanists, atheists and rationalists because they rely on dogma instead of thinking for themselves, but a spiritual/philosophical dimension in one's thinking is a sign of higher mental functioning.
science still hasnt explained everything and yet these atheists already firmly believe the universe came out of nothing, despite the laws of physics. how is that any less ridiculous than religion? i like how internet atheist warriors arrogantly come out and act like they know more than theists just because being atheist means lacking the brain cells to ever think about these things. atheists refuse to question their faith in accidental spontanteous generation. modern atheists are a contradiction
religious people are focused on doing good and whats right so its more likely for them to make sacrifices in the name of "good" such as studying and applying themselves academically
people who arent religious are usually burdened by depravity. they get distracted by doing whatever makes them feel good. most atheists today are just bandwagon hoppers anyway who have low selfesteem and want to FEEL smarter than others so they act pretentious and closeminded. but im not religious, sinning is easier
why are people debating over this , just let everyone think what they want ,if someone dosent belive there is a god, that is no reason to say there wrong and vice versa
@toonamifan123 Incorrect. Belief without evidence is inherently dangerous. Religious belief is belief without evidence. Can you solve this simple syllogism?
@MrMZaccone so this is an argument now? sigh , well you said so yourself belief without evidens is inherently dangerous, so wheres the evidence religon is false?
@toonamifan123 In the classic sense of the word argument, yes. I have made no claim that religion is false only that there is no evidence supporting it. Only when making a positive claim should anyone be required to present supporting evidence. Any positive claim that there is a god or that god has some known characteristics would require supporting evidence. Therefore, I choose not to believe in any such proposition unless or until such evidence is forthcoming. Understand now?
@toonamifan123 I understand what you're saying but the fact remains that the vast majority of claims in favor of a god include either some monumentally stupid ideas or the redefinition of an already existing and already named concept as "god". I can easily illustrate this. Where would you like to go from there with this discussion?
Yes, religion did many bad things and I think one should have its own theory of god, and one simply doesn't know whether the universe was created by someone or not. If Jesus ever lived he was a normal person and he surely won't come back and help (if christian believe this they are stupid). I still think one shouldn't do bad things. And don't forget all you pseudo intellectual atheists, it's the Jews who want to destroy religions so they weaken their enemies.
I enjoyed the video except for at the end with "Wise up, dump your superstitions". If the whole video was to say smarter people are nonreligious therefore religion is stupid is not correct. Example: Just because a person with a lower IQ score believes four quarters make a dollar must mean four quarters do not make a dollar.
if religious people where that smart then they would know that there is no invisible magic man called god floating above us calling the shots. it really is that simple.
The greater one's IQ or education, the lower is one's propensity to be religious. This statistic has been shown over, and over, and over, and over again in every study completed on the topic.
What group of professionals has the highest IQs? Not scientists, professors or lawywers, but physicians. Are these individuals religious? Despite Doctors being a much more diverse group ethnically (there are Docs in the US from all over the world with many being Buddhist, Hindu, etc- which alters their response to believing in God), 76% of physicians believe in God and 90% go to religious services at least on occasion. (See the Chicago Trib July 14,2005). Religious people want to help others.
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Atheists are barking up the wrong tree, they figure out religion is merely man-made concepts and that fundamentalists are usually all quite irrational, yet that's as far as they ever go. They embrace conventional "theoretic" science like christians embrace old books and deny conscious experiences beyond this reality. YouTube atheists usually are never subscribed to people such as Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Graham Hancock or Dr. Rick Strassman. Atheism truly is a close-minded intellectual fad.
@Hanahleia Religions are man made and so are their gods. I am not an atheist, but am smart enough to realize that it is science and its theories that make that computer in front of you work, your car, your cell phone, your TV, your radio, medical science and all the other things you use thousands of times a day to make your life more comfortable, safe and longer. Your hypocrisy reeks. Your comment is nothing but a red herring as you struggle to ignore the truth of this video. Nice work.
@Hanahleia I also notice on your channel that you don't subscribe to thunderf00t, cdk007, aronra, NonStampCollector, AndromedasWake, FFreeThinker, 43alley, FactVsReligion, TaylorX04, brettppalmer, gogreen18, ExtantDodo, GrapplingIgnorance or the host of other rationalists.
You have been here on YouTube longer than I yet you only subscribe to 5 other channels and none that would challenge you superstitious beliefs. Now who is closed minded here? When you live in a glass house.......
@Netwriter FFreeThinker, gogreen18? You've got to be kidding me. I'm familiar with most of the channels you've mentioned. They didn't seem to be preaching anything I wasn't already aware of. I'm not absolutely against science, I just don't think it's an atheist's tool to dismiss religion. Atheism, I believe, is the red herring. I've a suggestion. Subscribe to PrometheanReach's channel or an archive dedicated to Terence McKenna titled McKennaArchive. Hanahleia isn't my main account, btw.
@Hanahleia Thanks for the heads up on McKenna. You are aware that this gentleman was not a religionist don't you? BTW if you have not noticed, I am not an atheist, but don't agree that it is a red herring. Every one is born an atheist. Only through indoctrination does mankind believe in magic men in the sky, hell and heaven.
@Netwriter It's true we're all atheists in respect to some absurd God(s) or Goddess(es), whether it be Russell's teapot or the popular Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I'm referring to an archetypal kind of atheist. The atheist who believes atheism is the only rational conclusion or takes pride in his/her atheism. The atheist who defends atheism. I meant red herring in that it's unnecessary, there is a truth out there that atheism averts whether flashed through DMT or in McKenna's case a mushroom.
@Netwriter I know this reply is long overdue. I just wanted to add that everyone is born atheist in regard to the western religion, God as entity or creator, the God George Carlin made fun of. In the Hindu religion, God is thought of as a panentheism, so that "everyone born atheist" comment wouldn't contradict their notion of God. I'm glad you had the open-mind to give Terence McKenna a listen. Here's one more suggestion you might like:
@Hanahleia Sorry that you think faith is a good thing. If faith is what leads you to what is true, tell that to the other 4,299 religions and the 90% of the national academy of science who don't use faith
@iliveon I don't rely on faith for my beliefs. Perhaps you haven't read the backlog of posts here. Do some research, and learn that the goal of something like Buddhism isn't faith or any set of ideas, but rather an experience or rather a "higher state of consciousness," if you will.
@Netwriter wow... leaving out QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees, Potholer54 and PhilHellenes could be grounds for having your license to practice atheism revoked... :P (factsvsreligion huh? Ok... :/ )
@Brascofarian I believe they would fall under the "and a host of other rationalists" portion of my comment to Hanahleia. I am not an atheist, so I am not in the atheist click here on Youtube. Only one of the names you and I listed sub to my channel. I am an outcast.
I have always marched to the beat of a different drummer and am way too old to kiss their @sses or claim to be that which I am not to get their approval. I hold no grudges, I sub to them all and promote several on my channel.
@Shadow9392 You're referring to western science. If you look into eastern religion, you'll find it's not a set of ideas to be indoctrinated into people, twisted around, misinterpreted, a tool for brainwashing or even prosyletized; instead it's rather an experience, an altered state of consciousness, an in fact, higher state of consciousness. So, then one can have a direct experience of what it is that "is." You can call it God, Brahman, cosmic consciousness, but truly it's nameless and eternal.
@Hanahleia Ok so your point is that atheists are close-minded because they are not subscribed to some channels on youtube? What sense does that make? Maybe they just didn't ever seen one of their videos which isnt impossible since they aren't channels promoted by youtube. Also I dont think there is such thing as a "conscious experiences beyond this reality", instead there are experiences which we cannot understand.
@MsYpsylon Forget what's promoted on YouTube. Every atheists should be aware of the things the people I've mentioned talk about. And, of course, they're experiences we cannot understand truly, but we grasp them vaguely. But you can say "it's an experience we cannot understand" about everything. Why don't you listen to some Alan Watts or Terence McKenna, have you?
@Hanahleia To be honest I dont know who those people are or what are they talking about. But by saying "every atheist should be aware of the things those people are talking" about I think you mean every human. Because I doubt religion beliefs are that important. And you cant say "its an experience we cant understand" about everything. For example if someone sees a ghost you can say it's an experience he cant understand because we dont know too much about ghosts, we dont even know if they are
@Hanahleia real so its very possible that he saw something else or he just thought he saw it. But if you see a dog you can say that its an experience(yeah I know seeing a dog is not really an amazing experience but its the first thing that came through my mind) that you can understand because you have seen other dogs in the past, you know a lot of things about them and you can be almost 100% sure that it is what you think it is. Also Ill check those guys out since you really think we all need to
The observant person will know that there are all ranges of intelligence within the faith community; I once worked with a fellow theist who must have had an IQ of 65, and ive seen fellow theist on YT like Robert Barron and Craig Lane that are very smart.
@WayOfTheMaster454 They are also smart enough to know they can make a ton of bucks being apologist for superstitions. Some folks will do anything for the dollar, even pretending to believe silliness.
@BlackPhantom559 Somehow it was the Christians who pioneered the scientific method, Occam's razor, falsifiability as well as most fields of science.None of these studies that are cited take into account the fact that Christians have for millennia gone into the most uneducated places in the world,built schools there, sacrificed money&comforts&helped them become educated in many fields & also Christian. We have added far more intelligence to the world than ANY other systems in history.
Let's all remember that religion and faith are two entirely separate entities. Believing in god doesn't make you stupid nor is it an indicator of stupidity. Isaac Newton believed in God, he was clearly not an idiot. Religion however is a system of government not based on reason or fact, and followers are just that, followers, they listen to others and take them on their word rather than attempt to figure out the difference between right and wrong themselves. THAT is stupid.
@cockadoodlecrackers Had Newton not claimed to believe in a magic man in the sky he would have been burned at the stake. Claims of his religiosity are just that claims. We don't know what he really believed regarding religion. How many million of folks today claim to be christians just to fit in and not cause waves. It was worse then. But if you need someone to throw against the findings of research, go ahead.
@Netwriter Actually we do know Newton's religious views. He devoted far more time to his religous studies than he did to his scientific inquiries. His religious works have been digitised and are freely available on line. They clearly show that he believed in god, but he was no Christian. In fact he saw the worship of Jesus as idolatry.
Newton was a crackpot fool. He was pretty smart, sure, but he also spent most of his time working on 'alchemy'. Trying to create a philosophers stone, elixir of life, etc. Just because he worked out some complex physics doesn't make him an authority on everything else, and you're an imbecile for implying it to begin with. And, as Netwriter pointed out, he really had no choice to begin with, nor did anyone in the past.
they are right with god and that matters the most...? yeah i don't think so... whenever you compare societies with equal levels of development and per capita income, the more religious ones will have higher crime rates, lower literacy rates, higher rates of teen pregnancy and abortions, a worse off education system, etc... now religious people are not bad... but religion is just not a good way to structure society...
I have realized long before this debate that it is pointless trying to show people as deep in faith as you how silly the concept of religion is. I was simply trying to point out that morality should not be your base on rejecting science, because science is simply a method and therefore can not be evil. Likewise, religion can not be evil. The deeds committed in the name of god, however, can.
Please refrain from trying to convert me. I have heard the argument time and time again, and see no truth to it. Spare yourself the time and go do something more productive.
Atheism did not produce all these things, nor did science. Science is merely a method. Ignorance caused all our problems; ignorance of the consequences. We have the possibility to turn this thing around, but being ignorant of advancement is simply adding to the problem, not fixing it.
Jesus supposedly taught some good stuff, but the only information supporting his character comes from a 2-millennium-old book that for all we know could've been nothing more than fiction. No facts support his motives. What you preach about the "KINGDOM OF GRACE" is no more than an old wive's tale.
Equality and peace are available on this earth, but we need to stop preaching, get up off our asses, and make it happen. In reality, Good things don't come by simply saying "praise god".
That is untrue. I am an Atheist, and I would love to live in a world without money or rulers and live at balance with nature. I'm not going to fool myself, however, and try to convince myself that there is definitely a god when, in truth, I don't know and am very doubtful of there being one as we imagine it. Get to know some atheists before you stereotype them.
Also, all religions have a perk. How else would preachers get people to join them?
So your proof in god is that Atheists are morally inferior? What about the many atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion? Do they not count?
Point is, which party is more moral is irrelevant in the argument.
@Netwriter You need to consider the below post carefully and actually take time to investigate the evidence for Christianity which is vast and completely unrivaled in history. My playlists !Why be a Christian summarizes some of the highlights of different kinds of evidence, pragmatic, scientific, history, philosophical, etc. The !Come Search with Me and the Genesis Conflict series linked there are both by former atheists with science Ph.Ds. who have become Christians. MANY like them.
@Netwriter The site you linked in the notes is missing a host of factors and also a host of research including some done by leading atheists that shows the exact opposite. For example, it totally ignores the fact that nearly all evidence for God is banned from education and academia for political reasons. A century ago, all the greatest scientists believed strongly in God. We could recreate that in a generation or less if education did not ban evidence for God as it does now.
@TruthIsLife7 You just do not want to accept that it is finally becoming acceptable for people to publicly question organized religion. We are coming to a point where it is ok to question talking snakes, and talking burning bushes, men living to 900 and building huge boats. How sad was it that it would of been acceptable to shun someone for not believing in the same fairy tales as you grew up with like was extremely common throughout history. Thank god its ok to question religion.
"The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener," by skeptic and science writer Martin Gardner cited the decline of religious belief among the better educated as one of the causes for an increase in pseudoscience, cults and superstition referencing a 1980 study in Skeptical Inquirer showing irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely.
@nextHeritage LOL, you talking about the plastic that makes your computer, or the plastic that makes your toothbrush, I assume you do brush your teeth. Gaybage you say, oh... I quess your one of those people who never ever throw anything away, you a pack rat? I will stop there no need to continue. You are ignorant, I have takin shits that have more common sence then you. Wake up whack job.
I can see why Atheistic people are generaly smarter then religious people, I mean, the religious lot don't bother as much with the how why when or where when it comes to their surroundings, the atheists on the other hand, are generaly more answer seeking.
Where the atheists look for answers, the relgious point a finger up in the sky and let it be with that.
I wonder what came first, religious beliefs entail a "you must believe because I say so" which is obviously bad for your IQ, however it could be that people who are less intellectually gifted tend to accept religious beliefs more than the rational skeptic. Basically what I'm asking is which is the cause and which is the effect? Or is there an overlying cause that leads to religiosity and a lower IQ as a by product? Anybody got any ideas (this wasn't meant to be offensive it is a genuine Q)
@atheism616 Well I think Religiosity is the by product a Lower IQ since the Lower IQ automaticaly inhibits the person from understanding Science and the lack of knowledge thereof, that and the lack of Knowledge of History. There by allowing them to adopt a more simplistic view of the world around themselves and leaving their mind wide open and sponge for Superstitious Garbage. Knowledge is Freedom..Superstistion is Bondage. Lack of Knowledge and CriticalThinking = Ignorance = Godidit.
Not Christians or Atheists are smarter. Both are stupid in many ways. Most of the times, the only thing most Atheists can dispute, is "God is imaginary. If he was real, he wouldn't let evil happen." And most Christians say: "It's on the Bible, and the bible was written by God."
I believe and follow God, but I personally find most Christians dumb, just like Atheists. =)
@SlaytanicSeries Believe as you wish, but the research shows the more religious a person is the lower his intelligence. There is no hint on your channel that you follow anything but heavy metal music.
@Netwriter WSJ reports that Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology&shows that the irreligious&more liberal Christians,far from being resistant to superstition,tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal&in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....31% of people who never worship expressed strong belief in these things,only 8% of people who worship more than once a week did.”
@SlaytanicSeries Yes, there ARE atheists who are unintelligent like you say. But those ones are probably the same ones that would follow their peers and parents either way. Their peers are atheists? They follow. Their parents are Christian? They follow. Catch my drift? Rarely do you find a close-minded atheist. Agnosticism is becoming almost a part of Christianity.
@SlaytanicSeries I agree with you. I beleive in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit but I dont beleive in everything the bible says. It seems to me that most christians have made the bible their god instead od God.
Actually there has been research to suggest that Atheists are statistically more intelligent than theists, scoring an average of six points higher on an intelligence quotient test.
I personally don't like believing in things that aren't true, does that make me smarter? Maybe, but I'm still an idiot.
@MrAudiovideodisco I believe in no organised religion,but in faith,rather honestly. I have nothing against atheists,I respect them and their beliefs as long as they respect me and mine as well.I don't really vindicate that a believer,or non believer is smarter than the other just because a research shows it due to a point or six points higher in an intelligence test.We're all intelligent in our own ways,and nobody's more than another person. But,that's just me,though. I might be an idiot for it.
@SlaytanicSeries Atheists don't spend their time saying "if it was real, he wouldn't let evil happen".....because saying so would mean stating that an existing God "should" be definitely good, and that is just a mere unprovable assumption....
Atheists simply say that God does not exist, and they focuss on science, how does that make them dumb??
Probably you're too stupid to understand rational and logical thinking......
Probably you're too dyslexic, deficient, defective, atrocious and stupid to understand that I said MOST atheists say that. Not ALL. Fine difference there, Sherlock.
You are one dyslexic and embarrassing fuck.
Before you make such degrading comments, please do read PROPERLY the comment you are going to refute back to, dumb fucker. Otherwise, you will look embarrassing, and ridiculous, like you do now, since you are too stupid to read properly.
then you should probably reread yourself, because I'm an atheist and I really took offense of your original post where you claimed that "most" atheists just ask "If God exist,why is there so much evil in the world?"
Can you quote your sources or should we all take your words for granted?..."Most atheists", according to whom?, you?, because I guess you made a valid study into what atheists say or not...
@SlaytanicSeries The ONLY and SOLE reason why Atheists sometimes question the existence of a "Good" God, is because religious people always come up with the claim that God is good...
They are the one who IN THE FIRST PLACE make the dubious link between God and Goodness, no atheists start with that argument but are forced to adress it because religious people raise that issue....
Rational Atheists and I think they are the majority, just state that God does not exist
@SlaytanicSeries On what basis do you have to call atheist stupid? For not believing in something without the proper evidence. On the other hand you may be able to call Christians stupid for a variety of reasons. Talking snakes tricking a rib women into screwing over every human to every live would be a great reason think of someone as retarded. This is how Christians favorite book starts out and stays just as crazy throughout. You could think Christians are stupid for all their cult activities
"On what basis do you have to call atheist stupid?"
Why are you people so damn dyslexic? Why cannot you understand I said MOST atheists?
Stop generalising when you reply to me, because I did not include all of them, so please DO read my comments properly before you refute such atrocities.
I can call atheists STUPID AND IDIOTIC for various reasons, just like Christians. You people dispute back to me like I was attacking only atheists.
@WayOfTheMaster454 If Jesus is responsible for your claimed above average IQ, then he is also responsible for all the downs children and idiots in the world. If you did have a above average IQ then you would realize your IQ has to do with the genetics you got from your parents combined with your childhood upbringing.
How interesting 2see that the co-relation of religious people & IQ. Though IQ tests r skewed towards the privileged such that it doesnt take into account socioeconomical factors etc, wat it does show is the Oppressed usually cling to oppressive systems. Women more likely 2 be religious hmmm.
@Netwriter: It is evident that my comment flew over your head. I'm an atheist but I'm not ignorant to intersectionality. I think it's pathetic for us to use IQ and link it to atheism so we can claim that we're 'smarter'.
@twinqletwinqle I just reported all the research studies of the subject, done over the past 80 years. If you have a problem with the results of the studies, I don't know what to tell you. Isn't it religion that is into oppression?
@Netwriter . Yes religion is oppression. That's why I was saying it's interesting to see that the oppressed (poorer people, women, minorities, disabled etc) are more religious - that they cling to oppressive systems. The thing is IQ is closely related to privilege rather than intelligence. It's not a 'universal test' it's skewed towards privilege and it's 'Eurocentric'.
E.g. Singapore is hardly a 'country' yet scores high, whilst the rest of Malaysia doesn't. They're hardly different people.
The fact is that you can be a christian and be smart or stupid. You can be an atheist and be smart or stupid. Your faith doesnt have to tied to your religion. BUT, if you on the other hand choos your faith over science and evidence, then you are turning yourself stupid. It isnt that religious people are stupid, its the effects of being religious.
No, and guess what? I am so smart I don't even have to watch the video to answer this question correctly. Even when it comes to knowing about religion Atheists know more.
i feel that christians and athiest are equally ignorant, christians because they follow, not being able to see their being mislead, and atheist because like christians are closed minded, but resort to child like behavior to support their non beliefs. i'm religious, i do not go to church and therefore i could care a less what either of you do, i however am a leader, i will only mislead myself. the end of the road will reveal the truth, and not any of you morons. glad i could help.
Pete, I don't have much faith in Adam &Eve either. And you are right about someone being able to thump the Bible in either direction. That is why I exercise My intelligence and free thought. I don't take everything in the Bible, translated by humans many times, as infallible. No source of info is perfect. Belief in a GOD gives people HOPE. Without HOPE there isn't much to look forward to.Maybe I'm just playing the odds. I'd rather believe and be wrong that not believe and be wrong.
@3483rick well rick you dont sound like a real christian to me (a good thing), you sound like someone who takes moral lessons from a story, which is ok. BUT you must acknowledge that millions of people DO take the story literally and those people are VERY dangerous because they are sheep of the church that do what the church asks. if the church asks its members to vote a certain way, then they do, without question, and thats why i have my negative standpoint on religion (not just christians)
@3483rick ppl can have hope without a personal god. millions have throughout time and continue to now. it can be very intense this realisation that the "soul" may not infact be immortal like we've been told at a young age, and ppl become so desperate that theyll believe anything if it promises an immortal conciousness, which religious leaders take andvantage of for their own agenda. you can find hope through reason, i assure you through personal exp that you dont need a "god" to have hope.
@3483rick thats why religion "fears and angers me", do you understand now why rick? it's not because athiests get off shoving our beliefs or disbeliefs in your face and calling you out for being fools or naive or gullible to make ourselves feel smarter or better than you, it's because it hurts ALL of us as a whole. its anti-intellectualism, and thats never been good for mankind. i hope you atleast understand where were coming from. take care rick, and i truly mean that -pete
@petersonmd1983 Sorry, but with all due respect to some atheists who are admirable and do good work (may Christians do the same), the atheistic worldview is almost entirely devoted to denying the evidence and using all sorts of fallacies, esp. double standards and straw men to misrepresent vast amounts of evidence. It would be hard to say anything more false than what you have said. I don't doubt that you are sincere and believe it, but it's not based on facts at all.
@TruthIsLife7 What vast amount of EVIDENCE do you have, please do share. You say there is a ton of evidence that's great to hear now everyone can stop believing for retarded reasons such as faith and actually have proof of why their beliefs hold true. Now when do you plan on sharing your evidence for the rest of us? Not only that but what ever religion you have EVIDENCE for can help not only sway the atheist but also everyone of all the different religions that vary from yours. Please tell us.
Pete, as to evil, everyone on the planet has an evil side. No exceptions. Most people control that evil side and it is never seen. But it's still there. If someone where to attack your child you would become the meanest thing alive to protect that child. It's human nature. Pete, You keep referring to Christians as they where the only ones to do things you don't like. I'm sure Christians don't have a monopoly. I'm sure ANYONE is capable of offending You or Me at any given moment.Take care Rick
@3483rick im not talking about individual ppl here, im talking about a negative institution on society. how do you respond to my AIDs and stem cell FACTS? or to the FACT that poor ppl give 10% of their income to a tax free scam that is deceiving them? im assuming youre opposed to elderly frauds and scams, correct? all religion is made up, its not my opinion, its a FACT. ppl reference the bible when they want their corrupt laws passed and you eat it hook line and sinker, no questions asked.
@petersonmd1983 3483rick is demonstrating for all of us to see that he can't use the reply link like every other person on youtube with some intelligence. It is a standard theists problem.
@Netwriter Greetings Gary, I'm fairly new at the computer and I certainly don't have Your expertise but I'm learning. I looked over Your web site and I'm impressed. I thought your 10 Atheist bill boards was Great . I had several good laughs. Thanks. I'll check out more as time allows. Be easy on Me in the future when I make another mistake. One last thing, THANK YOU for YOUR SERVICE IN VIETNAM. Respectfully Rick
Pete, Homosexuality is a perversion. Even some non religious people believe this. It isn't just the religious people. If two people of the same sex want to marry I don't care. I can't and don't want to control any ones life. I think your definition of marriage is different from mine. so maybe we are talking apples and oranges. Marriage is when two people agree to live together as one. The Church doesn't marry anyone .The Church merely blesses the union. The State makes it a legal contract.
@3483rick rick, im personally not a big fan of homosexuality either but im not a fan of alot of things people do. doesnt mean they shouldnt have equal rights as you. you say you dont care if 2 people of the same sex want to marry...well thats you. i can reference hundreds of examples where that wasnt the case, and you know im right (all for religious reasons). this argument started on my statement that religion isnt innocent or benign, that it is infact harmful to society and ive stated my point
@3483rick oral sex, sex before marriage and the use of birth control was a christian "perversion" not that long ago either (ask your parents, regardless of age). another perversion just a few hundred years ago was the statement that the world was round and rotated around the sun (punishable by death by the church). the church is a joke, and so is anyone who buys into that crap in this day and age. muslims, jews and christians are ruining this world (female genital mutilation and honor killings)
Pete, not only were the books of the bible written long ago they have been translated numerous times by humans who weren't perfect. So I'm sure mistakes have been made honestly and not so honestly. That is why I pick and choose (free thought). Even the Pope is human and subject to mistakes. I also believe in evolution. My problem is where did LIFE come from? The only one I know of who can create life is GOD.So tell me Pete, in your enlightened opinion, where did LIFE come from?
@3483rick i dont have all the answers rick, nobody does. hopefully really soon, with scientific technology like the particle accelerator, answers like those will be made. but i can tell you this, iot certainly didn't start 6,000 years ago in a garden with a snake, apple and a rib... that i KNOW
Pete, the word is feckless not freckless. and I can tell by your own wording you have no idea what the church is about. Everyone is free to make their own decisions. If not then they are going to the wrong church. There are plenty of people, both religious and non-religious, who will take advantage of a position of power . Being a Priest or a Congressman does not make you a saint . There is evil in all men.Good luck to You in the future Pete I have enjoyed our debate. Rick
@3483rick rick i dont proof read during youtube debates, so an r slipped in there very sharp eye you got there but why dont you answer the questions at hand. suspending the rights of others(not letting 2 men or 2 women, but letting a man and a woman marry is not equal rights,get it?its simple to comprehend rick). there is no evil in me i assure you, and i dont need a book to keep me in line, im just a logical thinker with empathy for others (a trait christians seem to lack). address my comments
Pete, On abortion I believe the choice should be left up to the woman.The church does not marry anyone. It only blesses a marriage. The state makes the legal contract.Two people decide on their own to be married. They don't need permission or blessing to do that.You can't change the church only the laws. I really don't see where you get this is a violation of civil rights. Keep in mind Pete that the Bible teaches against murder, hate, discrimination, and violence.I think You would support that
@3483rick so you pick and choose from the bible rick? sounds like a crock to me. even the pope admits that evolution is FACT and creationism is a lie.the bible is hypocritical and you know it rick, thats because it was written by men to keep people in line a very long time ago.
@3483rick so you pick and choose from the bible rick? sounds like a crock to me. even the pope admits that evolution is FACT and creationism is a lie (ww.cuttingedge.oh r gee).the bible is hypocritical and you know it rick, thats because it was written by men to keep people in line a very long time ago.
@3483rick so you pick and choose from the bible rick? sounds like a crock to me. even the pope admits that evolution is FACT and creationism is a lie (i cant type the link here but look up "pope evolution" and you will see, or ill send it in a prsnl msg)the bible is hypocritical and you know it rick, thats because it was written by men to keep people in line a very long time ago. ive explained in previous statement how the church tricks ppl into voting bs into law. address that will you?
Are religious people smarter? No, religious people are either brainwashed or retarded, not smarter. People who think that there is a god somewhere are stupid, if there really was a 'god' then she/he/it would be one sick, perverted freak for creating all of this chaos on earth,
and when people say "thank god he didn't die" WHY THE HELL WAS THE PERSON'S LIFE ENDANGER IN THE FIRST? PLACE
You got to be pretty dumb to ever believe past the age of 8 any religious belief. Because the unknowable should never have any part in the human mind. And dumb people seem to think something unknowable takes priority of knowable things.
I don't know. I'd simply conclude that God like's stupid people. Not that any of these studies really prove anything, but it's a fun lark nonetheless.
As I already knew theists have less brain power than athiests. This vid was no surprise to me. It's like their logic center is turned off, U can't reason with them when it come to disscussing that the notion of God is man made and not the other way around. God wis a made up thing because primative man had no answers to fill in the blanks of thier limited knowledge. If U asked a primative man why the sky is blue. U know he'll say because God made it that way. Ignorance is bliss. LOL
Hmm, considering that being truthful about your IQ isn't considered acceptable, maybe I should go up to, I don't know, 1337?
Atheists=Trolls
Go ahead, try to argue. I'm pretty sure these experiments were conducted by atheists, therefore biased.
Unless you convert to Christianity, have fun burning in hell.
Or in the words of Dane Cook, getting reborn as a tree and being turned into a Bible.
Trolls.
NeodymiumTiger 3 weeks ago
@NeodymiumTiger "Atheists=Trolls" Wrong atheist = folks who don't believe in magic men in the sky.
If you had any comprehension skills you would have seen and heard that several of these studies were done by fundamentalist christian researchers and they got the same results.
Your threat is called an argumentum ad baculum, a fallacy. It proves what you are selling is a lie. The truth needs no threats to get people to believe it.
Do you have any proof of your never never land in the sky?
Netwriter 3 weeks ago
I don't see how these studies explain anything. I have an IQ of 150 and I'm an EXTREMELY faithful Christian believer.
NeodymiumTiger 3 weeks ago
@NeodymiumTiger Sure you do. If you did you would know about statistics and averages. Further proof your IQ is not what you claim is you have fallen for the death cult of christianity and at 44 you have not figured it is just the last great invention of the pagan world.
Netwriter 3 weeks ago 2
@NeodymiumTiger indoctronation is a terrible blight on our society, hope your thinking skills lead to further inquirey. though to say your an extremley faithful christian believer, i can only conclude the god glassess are fused upon your face. shame really.
kram83au 3 weeks ago
@NeodymiumTiger Do you hate your life?
csnowutube 3 weeks ago
@NeodymiumTiger tsk, IQ of 150 is not high on teh internets... troll harder.
Brascofarian 3 weeks ago
@NeodymiumTiger And yet you still don't understand statistics.
yourfullofsheite 3 weeks ago
@NeodymiumTiger - Having a brain is like having a powerful sports car. You can really mess it up if you misuse it.
KarenLeFemme 3 weeks ago
I don't see
NeodymiumTiger 3 weeks ago
I wouldn't say smarter, just less delusional.
NekoNickKun 1 month ago
Religious training may awaken intellectual capacity in a young mind, and such traditions may provide stability and discipline necessary for personal development. Extremism, superstition and fanaticism such as seen among some Muslims and "Born Again" Christians of course, stultifies intellect. Most so-called "Bible-thumpers" in Ameridfan's "Bible Belt are lower class, overweight and operate in an environment dominated by narrow minded bigotry.
pwnUgood 1 month ago
Religious conservatives/fundamenetalists are usually less intelligent than humanists, atheists and rationalists because they rely on dogma instead of thinking for themselves, but a spiritual/philosophical dimension in one's thinking is a sign of higher mental functioning.
MrDominex 1 month ago
science still hasnt explained everything and yet these atheists already firmly believe the universe came out of nothing, despite the laws of physics. how is that any less ridiculous than religion? i like how internet atheist warriors arrogantly come out and act like they know more than theists just because being atheist means lacking the brain cells to ever think about these things. atheists refuse to question their faith in accidental spontanteous generation. modern atheists are a contradiction
proudstr8 1 month ago
religious people are focused on doing good and whats right so its more likely for them to make sacrifices in the name of "good" such as studying and applying themselves academically
people who arent religious are usually burdened by depravity. they get distracted by doing whatever makes them feel good. most atheists today are just bandwagon hoppers anyway who have low selfesteem and want to FEEL smarter than others so they act pretentious and closeminded. but im not religious, sinning is easier
proudstr8 1 month ago
"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion."
~ Robert M. Pirsig
MrPersianpoetry 2 months ago 2
@MrPersianpoetry and you suffer from being a douche
proudstr8 1 month ago
@proudstr8 you are a douche for flaming me, better go back to your mental asylum....douche
MrPersianpoetry 1 month ago
Religion has never applied the intellect to spread, but coercion and often force.
visvaldisX 3 months ago
@jpbarbedwire1 And why do you say that? I usually don't respond to brief, inane responses, but I'll make an exception this time.
Hanahleia 3 months ago
we hate jewsx
oocomwhitxea7a 4 months ago
i have decide to become lazy to mimic fucking people anything wrong with that?
@@@fishman aka shark aka surfereater...
z1z9acea 6 months ago
why are people debating over this , just let everyone think what they want ,if someone dosent belive there is a god, that is no reason to say there wrong and vice versa
toonamifan123 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 Incorrect. Belief without evidence is inherently dangerous. Religious belief is belief without evidence. Can you solve this simple syllogism?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@MrMZaccone so this is an argument now? sigh , well you said so yourself belief without evidens is inherently dangerous, so wheres the evidence religon is false?
toonamifan123 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 In the classic sense of the word argument, yes. I have made no claim that religion is false only that there is no evidence supporting it. Only when making a positive claim should anyone be required to present supporting evidence. Any positive claim that there is a god or that god has some known characteristics would require supporting evidence. Therefore, I choose not to believe in any such proposition unless or until such evidence is forthcoming. Understand now?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 As for evidence that any given religious claim is false, make a claim and we'll see where the evidence takes us. Simple enough?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@MrMZaccone but then you cant make a claim it isnt without me saying something -.-
toonamifan123 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 Isn't what?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@MrMZaccone that it isnt legit
toonamifan123 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 That WHAT isn't legit?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 I understand what you're saying but the fact remains that the vast majority of claims in favor of a god include either some monumentally stupid ideas or the redefinition of an already existing and already named concept as "god". I can easily illustrate this. Where would you like to go from there with this discussion?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@MrMZaccone well yes you are right that alot of people are ignorant , we should just stop ^^^(you seem to understand this more)
toonamifan123 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 Just stop what?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@MrMZaccone this back and forth thing,you seem to understand this more than i do
toonamifan123 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 LOL! ... If you say so.
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@toonamifan123 if your atheist that doesnt mean u can be stupider or smarter dude train your intelligence.be smarter.be logic.
NFMandNFSfan 5 months ago
@NFMandNFSfan of course it dosent, only an ignorant person would think that
toonamifan123 5 months ago
Yes, religion did many bad things and I think one should have its own theory of god, and one simply doesn't know whether the universe was created by someone or not. If Jesus ever lived he was a normal person and he surely won't come back and help (if christian believe this they are stupid). I still think one shouldn't do bad things. And don't forget all you pseudo intellectual atheists, it's the Jews who want to destroy religions so they weaken their enemies.
WakeUpSleepIsDeath 7 months ago
@WakeUpSleepIsDeath God is not a theory, merely a hypothesis and a poor one at that.
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
I enjoyed the video except for at the end with "Wise up, dump your superstitions". If the whole video was to say smarter people are nonreligious therefore religion is stupid is not correct. Example: Just because a person with a lower IQ score believes four quarters make a dollar must mean four quarters do not make a dollar.
guitargoalie 7 months ago
Almost all studies, and intuition, tells you that the answer to your question is no.
jamma246 7 months ago
if religious people where that smart then they would know that there is no invisible magic man called god floating above us calling the shots. it really is that simple.
trampledone 7 months ago
@teachresidents
The greater one's IQ or education, the lower is one's propensity to be religious. This statistic has been shown over, and over, and over, and over again in every study completed on the topic.
Don't like it? -Bad luck. It's a fact.
arthurneddysmith 7 months ago
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How can you believe in something that you cannot possibly know about???!
PianoandCarcrack94 7 months ago
Albert Einstein was left-wing atheist..
TheBuzzo01 7 months ago
What group of professionals has the highest IQs? Not scientists, professors or lawywers, but physicians. Are these individuals religious? Despite Doctors being a much more diverse group ethnically (there are Docs in the US from all over the world with many being Buddhist, Hindu, etc- which alters their response to believing in God), 76% of physicians believe in God and 90% go to religious services at least on occasion. (See the Chicago Trib July 14,2005). Religious people want to help others.
teachresidents 7 months ago
@teachresidents I didn't find that story anywhere in that edition. Help me out? A title for the article maybe?
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
Thanks for the truth.
ChezusKrist 7 months ago
I must be one of the dumb ones...
Adrillius 8 months ago
O course religion doesn't make you smarter. Its like believing in Santa, only young people should believe in fairy tales.
PS3Fanboysarestupid 8 months ago
Religious morons have no epistemological standards beyond what makes them feel good or special.
beesleeper 8 months ago
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Atheists are barking up the wrong tree, they figure out religion is merely man-made concepts and that fundamentalists are usually all quite irrational, yet that's as far as they ever go. They embrace conventional "theoretic" science like christians embrace old books and deny conscious experiences beyond this reality. YouTube atheists usually are never subscribed to people such as Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Graham Hancock or Dr. Rick Strassman. Atheism truly is a close-minded intellectual fad.
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@Hanahleia Religions are man made and so are their gods. I am not an atheist, but am smart enough to realize that it is science and its theories that make that computer in front of you work, your car, your cell phone, your TV, your radio, medical science and all the other things you use thousands of times a day to make your life more comfortable, safe and longer. Your hypocrisy reeks. Your comment is nothing but a red herring as you struggle to ignore the truth of this video. Nice work.
Netwriter 8 months ago
@Hanahleia I also notice on your channel that you don't subscribe to thunderf00t, cdk007, aronra, NonStampCollector, AndromedasWake, FFreeThinker, 43alley, FactVsReligion, TaylorX04, brettppalmer, gogreen18, ExtantDodo, GrapplingIgnorance or the host of other rationalists.
You have been here on YouTube longer than I yet you only subscribe to 5 other channels and none that would challenge you superstitious beliefs. Now who is closed minded here? When you live in a glass house.......
Netwriter 8 months ago 33
@Netwriter FFreeThinker, gogreen18? You've got to be kidding me. I'm familiar with most of the channels you've mentioned. They didn't seem to be preaching anything I wasn't already aware of. I'm not absolutely against science, I just don't think it's an atheist's tool to dismiss religion. Atheism, I believe, is the red herring. I've a suggestion. Subscribe to PrometheanReach's channel or an archive dedicated to Terence McKenna titled McKennaArchive. Hanahleia isn't my main account, btw.
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@Hanahleia Thanks for the heads up on McKenna. You are aware that this gentleman was not a religionist don't you? BTW if you have not noticed, I am not an atheist, but don't agree that it is a red herring. Every one is born an atheist. Only through indoctrination does mankind believe in magic men in the sky, hell and heaven.
Netwriter 8 months ago 15
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@Netwriter It's true we're all atheists in respect to some absurd God(s) or Goddess(es), whether it be Russell's teapot or the popular Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I'm referring to an archetypal kind of atheist. The atheist who believes atheism is the only rational conclusion or takes pride in his/her atheism. The atheist who defends atheism. I meant red herring in that it's unnecessary, there is a truth out there that atheism averts whether flashed through DMT or in McKenna's case a mushroom.
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@Netwriter I know this reply is long overdue. I just wanted to add that everyone is born atheist in regard to the western religion, God as entity or creator, the God George Carlin made fun of. In the Hindu religion, God is thought of as a panentheism, so that "everyone born atheist" comment wouldn't contradict their notion of God. I'm glad you had the open-mind to give Terence McKenna a listen. Here's one more suggestion you might like:
/watch?v=zV74_-qF6OI&playnext=1&list=PLF7659E6D9F968E1B
Hanahleia 7 months ago
@Hanahleia Science is the language of the universe. Its certainly a way of thinking that allows me to dismiss faith-based reasonings
iliveon 8 months ago
@iliveon Okay, w-in-tf kind of retort is that? This isn't even worth a response.
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@Hanahleia Sorry that you think faith is a good thing. If faith is what leads you to what is true, tell that to the other 4,299 religions and the 90% of the national academy of science who don't use faith
iliveon 8 months ago
@iliveon I don't rely on faith for my beliefs. Perhaps you haven't read the backlog of posts here. Do some research, and learn that the goal of something like Buddhism isn't faith or any set of ideas, but rather an experience or rather a "higher state of consciousness," if you will.
Hanahleia 8 months ago
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@iliveon "Faith-based reasonings", now there's an oxymoron if I ever heard one.
MrMZaccone 6 months ago
@Netwriter Amen! :)
terceldude 8 months ago
@Netwriter wow... leaving out QualiaSoup, TheraminTrees, Potholer54 and PhilHellenes could be grounds for having your license to practice atheism revoked... :P (factsvsreligion huh? Ok... :/ )
Brascofarian 3 weeks ago
@Brascofarian I believe they would fall under the "and a host of other rationalists" portion of my comment to Hanahleia. I am not an atheist, so I am not in the atheist click here on Youtube. Only one of the names you and I listed sub to my channel. I am an outcast.
I have always marched to the beat of a different drummer and am way too old to kiss their @sses or claim to be that which I am not to get their approval. I hold no grudges, I sub to them all and promote several on my channel.
Netwriter 3 weeks ago
@Hanahleia How do you propose to equate empirical science with old, superstitious texts which very obviously function as systems of control?
Shadow9392 8 months ago
@Shadow9392 You're referring to western science. If you look into eastern religion, you'll find it's not a set of ideas to be indoctrinated into people, twisted around, misinterpreted, a tool for brainwashing or even prosyletized; instead it's rather an experience, an altered state of consciousness, an in fact, higher state of consciousness. So, then one can have a direct experience of what it is that "is." You can call it God, Brahman, cosmic consciousness, but truly it's nameless and eternal.
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@Hanahleia Ok so your point is that atheists are close-minded because they are not subscribed to some channels on youtube? What sense does that make? Maybe they just didn't ever seen one of their videos which isnt impossible since they aren't channels promoted by youtube. Also I dont think there is such thing as a "conscious experiences beyond this reality", instead there are experiences which we cannot understand.
MsYpsylon 8 months ago
@MsYpsylon Forget what's promoted on YouTube. Every atheists should be aware of the things the people I've mentioned talk about. And, of course, they're experiences we cannot understand truly, but we grasp them vaguely. But you can say "it's an experience we cannot understand" about everything. Why don't you listen to some Alan Watts or Terence McKenna, have you?
Hanahleia 8 months ago
@Hanahleia To be honest I dont know who those people are or what are they talking about. But by saying "every atheist should be aware of the things those people are talking" about I think you mean every human. Because I doubt religion beliefs are that important. And you cant say "its an experience we cant understand" about everything. For example if someone sees a ghost you can say it's an experience he cant understand because we dont know too much about ghosts, we dont even know if they are
MsYpsylon 8 months ago
@Hanahleia real so its very possible that he saw something else or he just thought he saw it. But if you see a dog you can say that its an experience(yeah I know seeing a dog is not really an amazing experience but its the first thing that came through my mind) that you can understand because you have seen other dogs in the past, you know a lot of things about them and you can be almost 100% sure that it is what you think it is. Also Ill check those guys out since you really think we all need to
MsYpsylon 8 months ago
@Hanahleia
alteast atheist view the world from religus perfestif and science and alot of other ways,
main view of the world where they belive in is logic evendice theory's sence,
atheist are mutch more open minden that most religous people.
sorry for bad english i was born and raised in the netherlands, and i have dyslectia
ShooterCinema 5 months ago
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@BlackPhantom559 Good for you. Now please go back to your rubber room.
tugafighter 8 months ago
The observant person will know that there are all ranges of intelligence within the faith community; I once worked with a fellow theist who must have had an IQ of 65, and ive seen fellow theist on YT like Robert Barron and Craig Lane that are very smart.
WayOfTheMaster454 8 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 They are also smart enough to know they can make a ton of bucks being apologist for superstitions. Some folks will do anything for the dollar, even pretending to believe silliness.
Netwriter 8 months ago 3
@BlackPhantom559 Somehow it was the Christians who pioneered the scientific method, Occam's razor, falsifiability as well as most fields of science.None of these studies that are cited take into account the fact that Christians have for millennia gone into the most uneducated places in the world,built schools there, sacrificed money&comforts&helped them become educated in many fields & also Christian. We have added far more intelligence to the world than ANY other systems in history.
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
Let's all remember that religion and faith are two entirely separate entities. Believing in god doesn't make you stupid nor is it an indicator of stupidity. Isaac Newton believed in God, he was clearly not an idiot. Religion however is a system of government not based on reason or fact, and followers are just that, followers, they listen to others and take them on their word rather than attempt to figure out the difference between right and wrong themselves. THAT is stupid.
cockadoodlecrackers 8 months ago
@cockadoodlecrackers Had Newton not claimed to believe in a magic man in the sky he would have been burned at the stake. Claims of his religiosity are just that claims. We don't know what he really believed regarding religion. How many million of folks today claim to be christians just to fit in and not cause waves. It was worse then. But if you need someone to throw against the findings of research, go ahead.
Netwriter 8 months ago 8
@Netwriter Actually we do know Newton's religious views. He devoted far more time to his religous studies than he did to his scientific inquiries. His religious works have been digitised and are freely available on line. They clearly show that he believed in god, but he was no Christian. In fact he saw the worship of Jesus as idolatry.
stevehayes13 6 months ago
@cockadoodlecrackers
Newton was a crackpot fool. He was pretty smart, sure, but he also spent most of his time working on 'alchemy'. Trying to create a philosophers stone, elixir of life, etc. Just because he worked out some complex physics doesn't make him an authority on everything else, and you're an imbecile for implying it to begin with. And, as Netwriter pointed out, he really had no choice to begin with, nor did anyone in the past.
Besides, religion and faith are equally idiotic.
Vire70 7 months ago
@cockadoodlecrackers Belief must remain outside the realm of reality, or it's no longer "a different belief" if proven wrong. It's just wrong.
Newton was not an idiot, but he was unobjective, and CRAZY AS HELL. I mean honestly, HE STUCK SIX-INCH SEWING NEEDES INTO HIS EYE SOCKETS.
PalulukanMakto 5 months ago
@BlackPhantom559
they are right with god and that matters the most...? yeah i don't think so... whenever you compare societies with equal levels of development and per capita income, the more religious ones will have higher crime rates, lower literacy rates, higher rates of teen pregnancy and abortions, a worse off education system, etc... now religious people are not bad... but religion is just not a good way to structure society...
RAGHUVARVASUDEV 9 months ago
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spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
Well you sure are modest.
(rolls eyes)
spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
"I know more about science and philosophy than you son."
That in its self is an assumption. You know nothing about me either.
Although knowing science and being completely ignorant of it is just as bad as not knowing science at all.
spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
I have realized long before this debate that it is pointless trying to show people as deep in faith as you how silly the concept of religion is. I was simply trying to point out that morality should not be your base on rejecting science, because science is simply a method and therefore can not be evil. Likewise, religion can not be evil. The deeds committed in the name of god, however, can.
spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
Please refrain from trying to convert me. I have heard the argument time and time again, and see no truth to it. Spare yourself the time and go do something more productive.
spencerific93 9 months ago
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spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
Atheism did not produce all these things, nor did science. Science is merely a method. Ignorance caused all our problems; ignorance of the consequences. We have the possibility to turn this thing around, but being ignorant of advancement is simply adding to the problem, not fixing it.
spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
Jesus supposedly taught some good stuff, but the only information supporting his character comes from a 2-millennium-old book that for all we know could've been nothing more than fiction. No facts support his motives. What you preach about the "KINGDOM OF GRACE" is no more than an old wive's tale.
Equality and peace are available on this earth, but we need to stop preaching, get up off our asses, and make it happen. In reality, Good things don't come by simply saying "praise god".
spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
That is untrue. I am an Atheist, and I would love to live in a world without money or rulers and live at balance with nature. I'm not going to fool myself, however, and try to convince myself that there is definitely a god when, in truth, I don't know and am very doubtful of there being one as we imagine it. Get to know some atheists before you stereotype them.
Also, all religions have a perk. How else would preachers get people to join them?
spencerific93 9 months ago
@nextHeritage
So your proof in god is that Atheists are morally inferior? What about the many atrocities that have been committed in the name of religion? Do they not count?
Point is, which party is more moral is irrelevant in the argument.
spencerific93 9 months ago
Most of the religious people that I know fail at reasoning and critical thinking.
OhReallyNoWai 9 months ago
@BlackPhantom559 Glad to know that the guys who flew the planes into the WTC were right with god. It would figure such idiocy was OK with god.
Netwriter 9 months ago 20
@Netwriter You need to consider the below post carefully and actually take time to investigate the evidence for Christianity which is vast and completely unrivaled in history. My playlists !Why be a Christian summarizes some of the highlights of different kinds of evidence, pragmatic, scientific, history, philosophical, etc. The !Come Search with Me and the Genesis Conflict series linked there are both by former atheists with science Ph.Ds. who have become Christians. MANY like them.
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
@Netwriter The site you linked in the notes is missing a host of factors and also a host of research including some done by leading atheists that shows the exact opposite. For example, it totally ignores the fact that nearly all evidence for God is banned from education and academia for political reasons. A century ago, all the greatest scientists believed strongly in God. We could recreate that in a generation or less if education did not ban evidence for God as it does now.
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
@TruthIsLife7 You just do not want to accept that it is finally becoming acceptable for people to publicly question organized religion. We are coming to a point where it is ok to question talking snakes, and talking burning bushes, men living to 900 and building huge boats. How sad was it that it would of been acceptable to shun someone for not believing in the same fairy tales as you grew up with like was extremely common throughout history. Thank god its ok to question religion.
party489 8 months ago
"The Whys of a Philosophical Scrivener," by skeptic and science writer Martin Gardner cited the decline of religious belief among the better educated as one of the causes for an increase in pseudoscience, cults and superstition referencing a 1980 study in Skeptical Inquirer showing irreligious college students to be by far the most likely to embrace paranormal beliefs, while born-again Christian college students were the least likely.
Google “Look Who's Irrational Now”. WSJ
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
@nextHeritage WOW,just read what you say,, yu are a whack job. Please stop trying to sound smart.
jw4wvu 9 months ago
@nextHeritage LOL, you talking about the plastic that makes your computer, or the plastic that makes your toothbrush, I assume you do brush your teeth. Gaybage you say, oh... I quess your one of those people who never ever throw anything away, you a pack rat? I will stop there no need to continue. You are ignorant, I have takin shits that have more common sence then you. Wake up whack job.
jw4wvu 9 months ago
I can see why Atheistic people are generaly smarter then religious people, I mean, the religious lot don't bother as much with the how why when or where when it comes to their surroundings, the atheists on the other hand, are generaly more answer seeking.
Where the atheists look for answers, the relgious point a finger up in the sky and let it be with that.
Zhippy 9 months ago
I wonder what came first, religious beliefs entail a "you must believe because I say so" which is obviously bad for your IQ, however it could be that people who are less intellectually gifted tend to accept religious beliefs more than the rational skeptic. Basically what I'm asking is which is the cause and which is the effect? Or is there an overlying cause that leads to religiosity and a lower IQ as a by product? Anybody got any ideas (this wasn't meant to be offensive it is a genuine Q)
atheism616 10 months ago
@atheism616 Well I think Religiosity is the by product a Lower IQ since the Lower IQ automaticaly inhibits the person from understanding Science and the lack of knowledge thereof, that and the lack of Knowledge of History. There by allowing them to adopt a more simplistic view of the world around themselves and leaving their mind wide open and sponge for Superstitious Garbage. Knowledge is Freedom..Superstistion is Bondage. Lack of Knowledge and CriticalThinking = Ignorance = Godidit.
Urfullobull 10 months ago
Not Christians or Atheists are smarter. Both are stupid in many ways. Most of the times, the only thing most Atheists can dispute, is "God is imaginary. If he was real, he wouldn't let evil happen." And most Christians say: "It's on the Bible, and the bible was written by God."
I believe and follow God, but I personally find most Christians dumb, just like Atheists. =)
SlaytanicSeries 10 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries Believe as you wish, but the research shows the more religious a person is the lower his intelligence. There is no hint on your channel that you follow anything but heavy metal music.
Netwriter 10 months ago 9
@Netwriter
Of course! I don't understand why you'd have the nerve to go creep on my profile but that's alright. Music's a passion anybody can believe on. =)
SlaytanicSeries 10 months ago
@Netwriter theist Gensis Chapter 1.......
GOD BB was there he was there for Eternity...in? a single point.......thou was created from nothing...
Thou was concntrated on small pont........Thou shall not question how it was possible........
Then LORD BB due to his mighty Power..Expaneded it..Thou shall not seek for its reason...
thy univesrse was made..
then BB said..thou shall mock others...thou shall not accept god..other then
BB
hi5blast 9 months ago
@Netwriter WSJ reports that Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology&shows that the irreligious&more liberal Christians,far from being resistant to superstition,tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal&in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians....31% of people who never worship expressed strong belief in these things,only 8% of people who worship more than once a week did.”
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries I'm an atheist and I kinda' take offense to that comment...
notessimodude 10 months ago
@notessimodude
Really? I apologise for my comment then! I didn't mean to be offensive. I was just stating my point of view. =)
SlaytanicSeries 10 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries Yes, there ARE atheists who are unintelligent like you say. But those ones are probably the same ones that would follow their peers and parents either way. Their peers are atheists? They follow. Their parents are Christian? They follow. Catch my drift? Rarely do you find a close-minded atheist. Agnosticism is becoming almost a part of Christianity.
notessimodude 10 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries ...Ye, thats right. All those Atheist Physicists are real stupid...
J1M1F 9 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries I agree with you. I beleive in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit but I dont beleive in everything the bible says. It seems to me that most christians have made the bible their god instead od God.
DetoxMansion 9 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries
Actually there has been research to suggest that Atheists are statistically more intelligent than theists, scoring an average of six points higher on an intelligence quotient test.
I personally don't like believing in things that aren't true, does that make me smarter? Maybe, but I'm still an idiot.
MrAudiovideodisco 9 months ago
@MrAudiovideodisco I believe in no organised religion,but in faith,rather honestly. I have nothing against atheists,I respect them and their beliefs as long as they respect me and mine as well.I don't really vindicate that a believer,or non believer is smarter than the other just because a research shows it due to a point or six points higher in an intelligence test.We're all intelligent in our own ways,and nobody's more than another person. But,that's just me,though. I might be an idiot for it.
SlaytanicSeries 9 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries Atheists don't spend their time saying "if it was real, he wouldn't let evil happen".....because saying so would mean stating that an existing God "should" be definitely good, and that is just a mere unprovable assumption....
Atheists simply say that God does not exist, and they focuss on science, how does that make them dumb??
Probably you're too stupid to understand rational and logical thinking......
Varoonmg 8 months ago
@Varoonmg
Probably you're too dyslexic, deficient, defective, atrocious and stupid to understand that I said MOST atheists say that. Not ALL. Fine difference there, Sherlock.
You are one dyslexic and embarrassing fuck.
Before you make such degrading comments, please do read PROPERLY the comment you are going to refute back to, dumb fucker. Otherwise, you will look embarrassing, and ridiculous, like you do now, since you are too stupid to read properly.
Have a nice day.
SlaytanicSeries 8 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries You found my comment degrading?
then you should probably reread yourself, because I'm an atheist and I really took offense of your original post where you claimed that "most" atheists just ask "If God exist,why is there so much evil in the world?"
Can you quote your sources or should we all take your words for granted?..."Most atheists", according to whom?, you?, because I guess you made a valid study into what atheists say or not...
Varoonmg 8 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries The ONLY and SOLE reason why Atheists sometimes question the existence of a "Good" God, is because religious people always come up with the claim that God is good...
They are the one who IN THE FIRST PLACE make the dubious link between God and Goodness, no atheists start with that argument but are forced to adress it because religious people raise that issue....
Rational Atheists and I think they are the majority, just state that God does not exist
Varoonmg 8 months ago
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party489 8 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries What was the highest grade that you failed out of?????
party489 8 months ago
@party489
Hm... here the highest grade is 5.0, and the lowest is 1.0.
The worst I've failed is when I was in 6th grade(two years ago) in math and I failed with a 2.8.
SlaytanicSeries 8 months ago
@SlaytanicSeries On what basis do you have to call atheist stupid? For not believing in something without the proper evidence. On the other hand you may be able to call Christians stupid for a variety of reasons. Talking snakes tricking a rib women into screwing over every human to every live would be a great reason think of someone as retarded. This is how Christians favorite book starts out and stays just as crazy throughout. You could think Christians are stupid for all their cult activities
party489 8 months ago
@party489
"On what basis do you have to call atheist stupid?"
Why are you people so damn dyslexic? Why cannot you understand I said MOST atheists?
Stop generalising when you reply to me, because I did not include all of them, so please DO read my comments properly before you refute such atrocities.
I can call atheists STUPID AND IDIOTIC for various reasons, just like Christians. You people dispute back to me like I was attacking only atheists.
People these days...
SlaytanicSeries 8 months ago
Im blessed with an above average IQ; thank you Jesus.
WayOfTheMaster454 11 months ago
@WayOfTheMaster454 If Jesus is responsible for your claimed above average IQ, then he is also responsible for all the downs children and idiots in the world. If you did have a above average IQ then you would realize your IQ has to do with the genetics you got from your parents combined with your childhood upbringing.
I have a 142 IQ, thanks to Zeus.
Netwriter 11 months ago 6
How interesting 2see that the co-relation of religious people & IQ. Though IQ tests r skewed towards the privileged such that it doesnt take into account socioeconomical factors etc, wat it does show is the Oppressed usually cling to oppressive systems. Women more likely 2 be religious hmmm.
twinqletwinqle 11 months ago
@twinqletwinqle It is evident you have never taken an IQ test.
Netwriter 11 months ago
@Netwriter: It is evident that my comment flew over your head. I'm an atheist but I'm not ignorant to intersectionality. I think it's pathetic for us to use IQ and link it to atheism so we can claim that we're 'smarter'.
twinqletwinqle 11 months ago
@twinqletwinqle I just reported all the research studies of the subject, done over the past 80 years. If you have a problem with the results of the studies, I don't know what to tell you. Isn't it religion that is into oppression?
Netwriter 11 months ago
@Netwriter . Yes religion is oppression. That's why I was saying it's interesting to see that the oppressed (poorer people, women, minorities, disabled etc) are more religious - that they cling to oppressive systems. The thing is IQ is closely related to privilege rather than intelligence. It's not a 'universal test' it's skewed towards privilege and it's 'Eurocentric'.
E.g. Singapore is hardly a 'country' yet scores high, whilst the rest of Malaysia doesn't. They're hardly different people.
twinqletwinqle 11 months ago
The fact is that you can be a christian and be smart or stupid. You can be an atheist and be smart or stupid. Your faith doesnt have to tied to your religion. BUT, if you on the other hand choos your faith over science and evidence, then you are turning yourself stupid. It isnt that religious people are stupid, its the effects of being religious.
gulbirk 11 months ago
No, and guess what? I am so smart I don't even have to watch the video to answer this question correctly. Even when it comes to knowing about religion Atheists know more.
robotfuture 11 months ago
of course if you are a liberal Christian, Jew, Muslim this need not apply
dancthegr 11 months ago
i feel that christians and athiest are equally ignorant, christians because they follow, not being able to see their being mislead, and atheist because like christians are closed minded, but resort to child like behavior to support their non beliefs. i'm religious, i do not go to church and therefore i could care a less what either of you do, i however am a leader, i will only mislead myself. the end of the road will reveal the truth, and not any of you morons. glad i could help.
you457wx 1 year ago
Pete, I don't have much faith in Adam &Eve either. And you are right about someone being able to thump the Bible in either direction. That is why I exercise My intelligence and free thought. I don't take everything in the Bible, translated by humans many times, as infallible. No source of info is perfect. Belief in a GOD gives people HOPE. Without HOPE there isn't much to look forward to.Maybe I'm just playing the odds. I'd rather believe and be wrong that not believe and be wrong.
3483rick 1 year ago
@3483rick well rick you dont sound like a real christian to me (a good thing), you sound like someone who takes moral lessons from a story, which is ok. BUT you must acknowledge that millions of people DO take the story literally and those people are VERY dangerous because they are sheep of the church that do what the church asks. if the church asks its members to vote a certain way, then they do, without question, and thats why i have my negative standpoint on religion (not just christians)
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@3483rick ppl can have hope without a personal god. millions have throughout time and continue to now. it can be very intense this realisation that the "soul" may not infact be immortal like we've been told at a young age, and ppl become so desperate that theyll believe anything if it promises an immortal conciousness, which religious leaders take andvantage of for their own agenda. you can find hope through reason, i assure you through personal exp that you dont need a "god" to have hope.
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@3483rick thats why religion "fears and angers me", do you understand now why rick? it's not because athiests get off shoving our beliefs or disbeliefs in your face and calling you out for being fools or naive or gullible to make ourselves feel smarter or better than you, it's because it hurts ALL of us as a whole. its anti-intellectualism, and thats never been good for mankind. i hope you atleast understand where were coming from. take care rick, and i truly mean that -pete
petersonmd1983 1 year ago 14
@petersonmd1983 Sorry, but with all due respect to some atheists who are admirable and do good work (may Christians do the same), the atheistic worldview is almost entirely devoted to denying the evidence and using all sorts of fallacies, esp. double standards and straw men to misrepresent vast amounts of evidence. It would be hard to say anything more false than what you have said. I don't doubt that you are sincere and believe it, but it's not based on facts at all.
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
@TruthIsLife7 What vast amount of EVIDENCE do you have, please do share. You say there is a ton of evidence that's great to hear now everyone can stop believing for retarded reasons such as faith and actually have proof of why their beliefs hold true. Now when do you plan on sharing your evidence for the rest of us? Not only that but what ever religion you have EVIDENCE for can help not only sway the atheist but also everyone of all the different religions that vary from yours. Please tell us.
party489 8 months ago
@3483rick You might find some of the posts below useful to you and my website as well.
TruthIsLife7 8 months ago
Pete, as to evil, everyone on the planet has an evil side. No exceptions. Most people control that evil side and it is never seen. But it's still there. If someone where to attack your child you would become the meanest thing alive to protect that child. It's human nature. Pete, You keep referring to Christians as they where the only ones to do things you don't like. I'm sure Christians don't have a monopoly. I'm sure ANYONE is capable of offending You or Me at any given moment.Take care Rick
3483rick 1 year ago
@3483rick im not talking about individual ppl here, im talking about a negative institution on society. how do you respond to my AIDs and stem cell FACTS? or to the FACT that poor ppl give 10% of their income to a tax free scam that is deceiving them? im assuming youre opposed to elderly frauds and scams, correct? all religion is made up, its not my opinion, its a FACT. ppl reference the bible when they want their corrupt laws passed and you eat it hook line and sinker, no questions asked.
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@petersonmd1983 3483rick is demonstrating for all of us to see that he can't use the reply link like every other person on youtube with some intelligence. It is a standard theists problem.
Netwriter 1 year ago
@Netwriter Greetings Gary, I'm fairly new at the computer and I certainly don't have Your expertise but I'm learning. I looked over Your web site and I'm impressed. I thought your 10 Atheist bill boards was Great . I had several good laughs. Thanks. I'll check out more as time allows. Be easy on Me in the future when I make another mistake. One last thing, THANK YOU for YOUR SERVICE IN VIETNAM. Respectfully Rick
3483rick 1 year ago
Pete, Homosexuality is a perversion. Even some non religious people believe this. It isn't just the religious people. If two people of the same sex want to marry I don't care. I can't and don't want to control any ones life. I think your definition of marriage is different from mine. so maybe we are talking apples and oranges. Marriage is when two people agree to live together as one. The Church doesn't marry anyone .The Church merely blesses the union. The State makes it a legal contract.
3483rick 1 year ago
@3483rick rick, im personally not a big fan of homosexuality either but im not a fan of alot of things people do. doesnt mean they shouldnt have equal rights as you. you say you dont care if 2 people of the same sex want to marry...well thats you. i can reference hundreds of examples where that wasnt the case, and you know im right (all for religious reasons). this argument started on my statement that religion isnt innocent or benign, that it is infact harmful to society and ive stated my point
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@3483rick oral sex, sex before marriage and the use of birth control was a christian "perversion" not that long ago either (ask your parents, regardless of age). another perversion just a few hundred years ago was the statement that the world was round and rotated around the sun (punishable by death by the church). the church is a joke, and so is anyone who buys into that crap in this day and age. muslims, jews and christians are ruining this world (female genital mutilation and honor killings)
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
Pete, not only were the books of the bible written long ago they have been translated numerous times by humans who weren't perfect. So I'm sure mistakes have been made honestly and not so honestly. That is why I pick and choose (free thought). Even the Pope is human and subject to mistakes. I also believe in evolution. My problem is where did LIFE come from? The only one I know of who can create life is GOD.So tell me Pete, in your enlightened opinion, where did LIFE come from?
3483rick 1 year ago
@3483rick i dont have all the answers rick, nobody does. hopefully really soon, with scientific technology like the particle accelerator, answers like those will be made. but i can tell you this, iot certainly didn't start 6,000 years ago in a garden with a snake, apple and a rib... that i KNOW
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
Pete, the word is feckless not freckless. and I can tell by your own wording you have no idea what the church is about. Everyone is free to make their own decisions. If not then they are going to the wrong church. There are plenty of people, both religious and non-religious, who will take advantage of a position of power . Being a Priest or a Congressman does not make you a saint . There is evil in all men.Good luck to You in the future Pete I have enjoyed our debate. Rick
3483rick 1 year ago
@3483rick rick i dont proof read during youtube debates, so an r slipped in there very sharp eye you got there but why dont you answer the questions at hand. suspending the rights of others(not letting 2 men or 2 women, but letting a man and a woman marry is not equal rights,get it?its simple to comprehend rick). there is no evil in me i assure you, and i dont need a book to keep me in line, im just a logical thinker with empathy for others (a trait christians seem to lack). address my comments
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
Pete, On abortion I believe the choice should be left up to the woman.The church does not marry anyone. It only blesses a marriage. The state makes the legal contract.Two people decide on their own to be married. They don't need permission or blessing to do that.You can't change the church only the laws. I really don't see where you get this is a violation of civil rights. Keep in mind Pete that the Bible teaches against murder, hate, discrimination, and violence.I think You would support that
3483rick 1 year ago
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petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@3483rick so you pick and choose from the bible rick? sounds like a crock to me. even the pope admits that evolution is FACT and creationism is a lie.the bible is hypocritical and you know it rick, thats because it was written by men to keep people in line a very long time ago.
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@3483rick so you pick and choose from the bible rick? sounds like a crock to me. even the pope admits that evolution is FACT and creationism is a lie (ww.cuttingedge.oh r gee).the bible is hypocritical and you know it rick, thats because it was written by men to keep people in line a very long time ago.
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
@3483rick so you pick and choose from the bible rick? sounds like a crock to me. even the pope admits that evolution is FACT and creationism is a lie (i cant type the link here but look up "pope evolution" and you will see, or ill send it in a prsnl msg)the bible is hypocritical and you know it rick, thats because it was written by men to keep people in line a very long time ago. ive explained in previous statement how the church tricks ppl into voting bs into law. address that will you?
petersonmd1983 1 year ago
Are religious people smarter? No, religious people are either brainwashed or retarded, not smarter. People who think that there is a god somewhere are stupid, if there really was a 'god' then she/he/it would be one sick, perverted freak for creating all of this chaos on earth,
and when people say "thank god he didn't die" WHY THE HELL WAS THE PERSON'S LIFE ENDANGER IN THE FIRST? PLACE
LittleCreach 1 year ago
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petersonmd1983 1 year ago
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petersonmd1983 1 year ago
there is no way you could make that connection and answer this question definitively
PacmanBonez 1 year ago
I'm not religious - and I'm smart enough to know that the piece of music is called "Stardust"! Says it all.
jazzx251 1 year ago
You got to be pretty dumb to ever believe past the age of 8 any religious belief. Because the unknowable should never have any part in the human mind. And dumb people seem to think something unknowable takes priority of knowable things.
Flem1337 1 year ago
I don't know. I'd simply conclude that God like's stupid people. Not that any of these studies really prove anything, but it's a fun lark nonetheless.
vryc 1 year ago
Excellent video! Soon and hopefully religion will not exist :)
ChinnuWoW 1 year ago
As I already knew theists have less brain power than athiests. This vid was no surprise to me. It's like their logic center is turned off, U can't reason with them when it come to disscussing that the notion of God is man made and not the other way around. God wis a made up thing because primative man had no answers to fill in the blanks of thier limited knowledge. If U asked a primative man why the sky is blue. U know he'll say because God made it that way. Ignorance is bliss. LOL
Urfullobull 1 year ago