As a Pyro player, I really feel that the spy-cicle is useless. When you melt their knife, their disguise yells as if they are on fire. Just chase them down and puff and sting them.
I think the spy-cicle is really boring since it has no attack sound. The only sound you hear is the critical hit of backstabbing. It just feels like without a soul, so i just stick with the butterfly knife and eternal reward.
Wah wah wah Spy is underpowered and Pyro is overpowered SPY DESERVES TO BE BUFFED,HE NEEDS INFINTE AMMO,100% CRITS,5000 HOUR SPAWN PROTECTION,1238478 HEALTH AND ROCKET JUMPING ABILITIES TO BE BALANCED RRRRGH
I hate this stupid class and I wish it didn't exist.
@SuperAwesomeTiago i can dissagree on that because if you arnt a total noobie like you, the spoy (yes i mean spoy because fuck you) can be incredibly underestimated because a backstab = insta kill so as long as you get behind them, there dead from the start.
I like the spy-ciclem, In some cases I guess it could be labeled OP but I see a different downside to it.
About 3 weeks when the value of the item went down to a cheap price and it was added to the drop system& was then craftable WA standard blue print, it was common/uncommon.
So then from that point on every 12 year old kid I traded with would offer the spy-cicle thinking it was worth something for something worth a lot more and then he would offer nothing more but common cheap guns.
Another downside no one never mentions is everytime the Spycicle melts you get the sapper in your hand. Everyone who ever used it knows the feeling of going for a chain stab, getting spychecked and end up trying to "sap" players.
It's not major, but it is what it is and should be mentioned.
I played tf2 since the preorder beta 1 month before reease, and loved it for about 2 years... then it started to get worse and some changes were just not my taste. It's still a great game, but i feel like the 9th class update was the last one i was really looking forward to. Only saharan spy+f2p made it fun again, for the easy noobrape tbh :p.
But this one ... they just gave scissors invulnerability against rocks and made the killing of paper completely silent...
I do NOT like the Spycicle. IMO it's a bad knife for bad spies who don't know how to deal with Pyros. I've been killed far more due to lack of a knife than I have due to being on fire. The worst of the three Christmas weapons, IMO.
@S0ulOfDarkLight He is just saying that it would be fantastic to wear something called the spine-chilling skull while stabbing people in the spine with a shard of ice and freezing them.
You know, because the name fits the action perfectly.
@MyFjolle If your sneaking behinde them, engineer and sniper. But remember don't use the same desguises all the time, mix it up so people don't see a pattern
@MyFjolle There is no real "best" class to disguise as. You should always be aiming to be a class that should be in that area, while not having the name of someone who is currently registering on the kill stream a lot.
You should very rarely disguise as the scout or medic, because you move too slow for scout, and medics are normally getting assists with a pocket or somesuch, so people normally have a good idea of where they are.
Pyro, engy, snip and spy are usable most of the time.
When the spycicle melts, it actually does make a sound that other people can hear. And when pyros are spy checking, it gives the combo that extra fifteen seconds to react and turn around if they are communicating with their team
I'm not sure what effect on the knife should be retained... I really think it should either have silent kill, or fire immune or have both, but play a sound when it melts...
when playing against a spycicle, and a teammate is backstabbed near you, you can hear the freeze sound. Maybe its not as loud as screaming, but its still there if youre smart. Also remember freezing enemies is a BAD SIDE, because all the enemies know youre about.
You know what is the point of Eternal Reward? Instant disguise. Yes, you cant disguise without stabbing, but you can disguise INSTANTLY. Its huge upside for me, I dont even care for the silent killer so much, instantly disguising helps you kill sentries and engies easier, helps in chainstabbing and does a lot of other stuff. Downside of spycicle is that, the enemies dont scream, but leave obvious frozen bodies and sound of freezing is that obvious there is a spy nearby, more obvious then scream.
As much as I hate to say it....the Spy Cicle is balanced
Sure, it counters Pyros, but keep in mind that you lose your knife, this means in exchange for the ability to counter Pyros, you lose your core ability to backstab as a Spy.
Use if it you like, but I'd rather be able to do trick stabs and go for kamikaze stabs on Medics and Engineers. The Spy Cicle is more or less a crutch, but at least it's no surprise.
Considering how many anti Spy items there are, I'm not surprised Valve added this.
Well, this weapon might save you from fire and that's really great.
But like what heavy weapons guy said
'I have yet to see man outsmart bullet'
While the weapon gives you immunity to fire, it can't save you from bullet based weapons. This is especially true when equipped with any other invisi watch apart from the dead ringer.
When I play medic, I find it useful to equip the bombinomicon to counter silent kills of any sort. Even though the kill is still silent to everyone, and my body disappears, it still makes the sound of me exploding and gibbing. I feel it's pretty important for others around me to know that the medic got killed, since I'm usually the first one stabbed, and the spy's best disguise for getting close to teammates.
I agree with ThePedroGunner. While the spy-cicle is a silent killer as in the backstabs don't appear in the kill feed, if you pay enough attention, you can still hear your teammates getting turned into ice. So while it is useful for spys against pyros, its not a true "silent" killer.
It is about time the spy got something like this. These days only the best spies can even survive in the game, let alone rack up a decent kill/death ratio.
Since I don't play with ragdolls I find this weapon WAY too OP. The only way to know that a spy uses it is from the sound. I've become pretty good on that btw =)
The one thing I find about this knife is that it does not improve your overall kill ability, because it is harder to do chainstabs. But you live longer.
With a regular knife you can stab 4 or 5 people on the cart while on fire (and probably die in the process). With a spycicle, a pyro just needs to put a little fire on you and you become useless. The smart pyros will use airblast too.
Overall, this knife is definately a huge upgrade though.
It is almost impossible for a good spy to die with it
oh please, there are far more "op" weapons in the pyro's arsenal then this weapon. I think that its awesome that there is finally a weapon that is mostly directed to go against a pyro. Since they could basically take out most spies with their eyes closed before this weapon came along.
@limosince2007 yes the pyro is the counter to the spy and Im not saying it shouldn't be that way, but the pyro has a HUGE edge over spies along with being fairly strong against most other classes. Some classes have advantages over others but not as much as the pyro over spy. Inexperienced pyros can just spray n' pray, and kill most spies easily.
Along with most people knowing how to spy-check with any class nowadays, I just feel the game is built against the spy a little too much
this ice sculpture thing, i think its not really a downside, i think its style and they just said it is a bad effect, but i would made this discription: "Turning backstabbed enemys into styli ice sculptures!"
One thing I have to point out; Silent killer, yeah, but it makes ice statues so compared to the YER, it's still a downside :D Unless nobody in the enemy team turns around due to the battle of course, it doesn't matter then.
Pro-tip: If you are crouched while invisible with C&D in front of spy checking heavy they will NOT HIT YOU! All the bullets go over your head and you can just crouch there indefinitely!
You were kinda freaking out on this video dude. There are plenty of reasons to use the other knives: big earner gives you 100% DR up-time, kunai gives you overheal, reward gives instant stealthy disguises..a huge slab of ice is a pretty big downside. That soldier almost spanked you because he saw them. F2p players don't notice screams either way, and often the screams help in the long run because of intimidation and paranoia. No nerf is needed lmao
There have been counter-weapons for nearly every class. Spy was the most hard-countered class in the game, literally allowing the worst of pyros to best even the best spies without too much work. The Spycicle + DR + Enforcer is the Spy's broken set right now, his Tomislav + Sandvich + GRU, but if it's going to stop me from crying myself to sleep from pyros, I don't mind.
I'm also gonna throw out there that I think the Enforcer is the broken part of that, that the Spycicle does have downsides...
This is a pyro killer, I usually (as a pyro) use the degreaser flare gun and axetinguisher, the flare gun and degreaser can't do anything and the axe has a -100% damage to non burning enemies
after seeing this knife's gameplay,I most say that it's NOT recommended with the diamondback....I guess the knife is amazing with enforcer and dead ringer(since enforcer deals A LOT of dmg in ANY range and dead ringer nullifies enforcers negative trait) :D
as a career pyro, this is the most broken item I think I've ever seen. It makes axetinguishing (my normal spy killing method, especially when they deadring and take damn near no damage) ineffective, and all I'm left with is shotgunning a invulnerable, nonburning, invisible target. It's about the worst possible situation for me.
Actually, it's nothing. The spy can just cloak to a safe spot, and he can't be put on fire. By the time he escapes, his knife is ready and he can act like nothing happened. This is very true with the Dead Ringer, but even with Invis-Watch and Cloak & Dagger.
finally something to counter the most over powered noob fucking class, the pyro, DURRRR W+M1 I WINNN HERPPP DURPPP, I'M TWELVE YEARS OLD AND THIS IS THE ONLY CLASS I PLAY DERPPP I'M SO GOOD. fuck pyros, if the spycicle gets removed from the game for being "op" im gonna flip a shit.
@fatpeepsRfunny If you think pyro and not heavy is the overpowered noob class, well I guess you play on servers where literally W+M1ing is the norm and you consider occasionally using M2 to rev and drop sandvichs, and requiring slightly more aim is the height of skill so consider heavy kills deserved.
@TheMattgician Why isn't it good to noobs I've been playing for 3 moths now and I know that's not long but I see it as a good knife tell me, why isn't it good to you and others?
@whatintheworld91 It's not as much bad than it's just dirty. it is a complete trolling weapon, when using the enforcer (itself overpowered) and dead ringer with it. You basically lose what spy is all about. At this point, you don't even need your knife, since the enforcer is so OP. In my mind, losing the knife for 15 seconds is a downside as I like to be very active and agressive, but most spies don't even care about that.
Basically, it's like the backburner or phlogistinator : it screems NOOB.
@TheMattgician I am a terrible shot with any gun so, the enforcer is my friend when I spam a lot I never, ever exploit the revolver in any way while most do I see your point but since I am a hit and run spy it protects me from pyros while running, but the Phlogistinator i hate it.
@ThePedroGunner Naah, It is I very very quiet sound that only in a quiet environment would others hear it, not in the heat of battle, secondly I do agree with you I am the worst shot at any gun my most two played classes are spy and scout. They can here the knife melting but most don't pay attention to it for some reason, the knife melting helps you from being spy checked, there couldn't be a better knife in my eyes, it's on the verge of op
i believe that the idea valve had behind the spycicle was a spy knife however you can trick it out to survive spychecks where pyros are spraying random flames around
Well, its an anti-griefing thing when everyone goes Pyro to avoid spies... makes things more tactical in a way, forcing you not to rely on a Pyro to spycheck.
@MarcusKhor1998889 i play in a server that when you kill a guy with a random weapon (any) or suicide he will dissapear with the cowmangler effect could be that?
Once the TF2 community in general adapts to this new weapon, it means more people will be using teamwork to chase down spies instead of relying on one Pyro to spam fire everywhere to do it.
In other words, expect more "five people flying around like pissed off wasps looking for you" occurrences to happen -- against adapted players, the Spycicle's existence will just make life harder for Spy.
That is why I'm not convinced yet that it's overpowered: wait until people adapt, then judge it...
@Obliviongatekeeper the solution to this is to use the dead ringer. before the issue was being set on fire with the dead ringer activated now u can get away often times virtually unscathed
To everyone who cries about the Spy cicle being OP because it counters a class, you should cry about every other item out that counters a class as well. Razorback, Southern hospitality, Heavy's metal gloves, ect.
Then to the comments about how it counters a class that are suppose to counter them, take a look at engie's new shottie that drains a spy's cloak and the SH that makes a disguised spy bleed. Honestly, your QQ just making you look butt hurt about getting out played by a spy.
@A1phaz0ne Razorback doesnt counter spies, if a spy gets behind you and he cant backstab he's probably just going to pop a few shots and bam your dead, spy is my number one class and i still dont like it. Comparing this to other weapons just makes you look like a dick because this is about the spy-cicle,Not the pomson or HEAVIES METAL GLOVES?!@!?
@A1phaz0ne Poorest examples ever dude. Those items are either so situational they're practically never of any use or easily countered. Spycicle is useful every time there is a pyro on the server and can help counter both newbie and competent pyros greatly. The razorback gets you shot by spies instead and only counters stupid spies. Honestly your bad arguments make you look like a bad spy desparately trying to keep his crutch weapon.
I'd so would love to play against you SonicRocker15x. I see you have 5 thumbs up. Bunch of Pyro fanboysI bet. Well, seems like you're not playing against pro Spy players. You're playing against F2P players.
@ShieldLessLink I myself am a decent Pyro (Only decent though and Degreaser <3). I have found that dealing with MOST spies using the spy-cicle is easy. Mainly because they aren't a good spy to begin with D:
That being said, I know when I see a good spy and those are the only ones I truly fear :3
The thing i have about the spycicle is that is a complete counter to the one class that is supposed to counter the spy. Every class is supposed to have another class that can counter it, If not the team aspect is just gone. For example heavy would usually have trouble with Scouts (if he was unaware of the scout) Because the wind-up time on his minigun was quite large, But now with the tomislav it is almost impossible for a scout to deal with him because he's already shooting in midair,My opinion
To all u guys u can only get this inthe nice crates atm.
When the naughty and nice crates go away, ive heard they will be findable and craftable and tradeable along with holiday punch and the scout item. Im not certain but am pretty sure this is rite.
Wow the Saharan Spy knife was my absolute favorite but this is just *ahem* way cooler. Keeping the disguise kit is huge but I think it'll get a health downside in the future
As a Pyro player, I really feel that the spy-cicle is useless. When you melt their knife, their disguise yells as if they are on fire. Just chase them down and puff and sting them.
InfinityBlazeFilms 17 hours ago
I think the spy-cicle is really boring since it has no attack sound. The only sound you hear is the critical hit of backstabbing. It just feels like without a soul, so i just stick with the butterfly knife and eternal reward.
RandomGuy1994 1 day ago
Wah wah wah Spy is underpowered and Pyro is overpowered SPY DESERVES TO BE BUFFED,HE NEEDS INFINTE AMMO,100% CRITS,5000 HOUR SPAWN PROTECTION,1238478 HEALTH AND ROCKET JUMPING ABILITIES TO BE BALANCED RRRRGH
I hate this stupid class and I wish it didn't exist.
SuperAwesomeTiago 1 day ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago Every class is OP, who can become invisible?
Who gets to have fake deaths? who gets to have 100% time to stay invisible if standing still? sure the Pyro doesn't.
DARNmermerm 1 day ago
@SuperAwesomeTiago i can dissagree on that because if you arnt a total noobie like you, the spoy (yes i mean spoy because fuck you) can be incredibly underestimated because a backstab = insta kill so as long as you get behind them, there dead from the start.
gamefreak370 1 day ago
How is your UI like that
Devin50216 2 days ago
Man, that is one autistic pyro.
AlphaDog572 2 days ago
"oh noes i've been stabbed!" ~Medic, Star.
Slanderbot 2 days ago 3
spycicle is useless it really doesnt help much
sniper0diper 4 days ago
I like the spy-ciclem, In some cases I guess it could be labeled OP but I see a different downside to it.
About 3 weeks when the value of the item went down to a cheap price and it was added to the drop system& was then craftable WA standard blue print, it was common/uncommon.
So then from that point on every 12 year old kid I traded with would offer the spy-cicle thinking it was worth something for something worth a lot more and then he would offer nothing more but common cheap guns.
silentjoe2 5 days ago
It actually makes a sound of "FIRE, FIRE" when you get touched by flames using spy cicle, even if you are not on fire.
ElRickillero 5 days ago
New sub
smattman22 6 days ago
Another downside no one never mentions is everytime the Spycicle melts you get the sapper in your hand. Everyone who ever used it knows the feeling of going for a chain stab, getting spychecked and end up trying to "sap" players.
It's not major, but it is what it is and should be mentioned.
SoulSpy123 1 week ago
I played tf2 since the preorder beta 1 month before reease, and loved it for about 2 years... then it started to get worse and some changes were just not my taste. It's still a great game, but i feel like the 9th class update was the last one i was really looking forward to. Only saharan spy+f2p made it fun again, for the easy noobrape tbh :p.
But this one ... they just gave scissors invulnerability against rocks and made the killing of paper completely silent...
blackAngel88it 1 week ago
ip on nobullshit?
emowizard1 1 week ago
once i see a spycicle spy i just go scout and FAN his as to China
Suntzusaidthatandmor 1 week ago
It's actually pretty easy to detect spycicle spys as pyro. If you melt his cicle, he still shouts "fire fire" . Easy.
puliukko13 1 week ago 12
Wow pro nerf huh? Guess I wont be subbing then. =/ Ah well.
Gotenks070 1 week ago
I do NOT like the Spycicle. IMO it's a bad knife for bad spies who don't know how to deal with Pyros. I've been killed far more due to lack of a knife than I have due to being on fire. The worst of the three Christmas weapons, IMO.
Sacredfire059 1 week ago
i would have added extinguishing teammates - melts down the knife
SuperLogin34 1 week ago
5:00 I misunderstand a bit, what have you been saying about Spine-chilling Skull ?
S0ulOfDarkLight 1 week ago
@S0ulOfDarkLight He is just saying that it would be fantastic to wear something called the spine-chilling skull while stabbing people in the spine with a shard of ice and freezing them.
You know, because the name fits the action perfectly.
passwordresetisbroke 1 week ago
@passwordresetisbroke Thanks for the answer! I got it now.
S0ulOfDarkLight 1 week ago
What is the best class to diguise as? :D
MyFjolle 2 weeks ago
@MyFjolle If your sneaking behinde them, engineer and sniper. But remember don't use the same desguises all the time, mix it up so people don't see a pattern
ILikeRedMen 1 week ago
@MyFjolle There is no real "best" class to disguise as. You should always be aiming to be a class that should be in that area, while not having the name of someone who is currently registering on the kill stream a lot.
You should very rarely disguise as the scout or medic, because you move too slow for scout, and medics are normally getting assists with a pocket or somesuch, so people normally have a good idea of where they are.
Pyro, engy, snip and spy are usable most of the time.
passwordresetisbroke 1 week ago
what is that hud?
04jkv 2 weeks ago
This has been flagged as spam show
correct me if i'm wrong, but couldn't the pyro still pull out his shotgun which has higher dps and is easier to aim than the pistol?
synal 2 weeks ago
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synal 2 weeks ago
nope
MrJustin8075 2 weeks ago
Seen a few of ur vids, good quality shit but ur voice kinda irritates the shit out of me...
MisterMarmatote 2 weeks ago
thanks it toock 30 min, now i am pro in other server olso, becorse, i used the inv watch.
emowizard1 2 weeks ago
+ after backstab, vikdom turns into ice, good (maker the other team paranoid).
emowizard1 2 weeks ago
1 all servers i come in, peole are pro, but you find noobs, how?
2 i f... suck in tf2, what shoud i do?
3 what wepons shoud i use?
emowizard1 2 weeks ago
@emowizard1 1 noob server is called no bullshit tf2 ^^ im always plaing on dustbowl and 85% of the players are noobs :D
TheFaillingGuy 2 weeks ago
2:45 HEAD SHOT (UT announcer voice)
MarioOwnsAl1 2 weeks ago
When the spycicle melts, it actually does make a sound that other people can hear. And when pyros are spy checking, it gives the combo that extra fifteen seconds to react and turn around if they are communicating with their team
Russ4312 2 weeks ago
I'm not sure what effect on the knife should be retained... I really think it should either have silent kill, or fire immune or have both, but play a sound when it melts...
Kastoli1 2 weeks ago
when playing against a spycicle, and a teammate is backstabbed near you, you can hear the freeze sound. Maybe its not as loud as screaming, but its still there if youre smart. Also remember freezing enemies is a BAD SIDE, because all the enemies know youre about.
KennyMatthewsMonster 2 weeks ago
how do you get the hud?
MrThearmymen 2 weeks ago
How to make this weapon a simple nerf?
Get rid of the silent kill OR
Get rid of the fireproof for 2 seconds.
karosan44 2 weeks ago
enforcer shouldnt get nerfed unless the ambassador does.
It has no crits for headshots unlike the ambassador. basically its a panic weapon
where u try to get lucky
xSoveric 2 weeks ago
You know what is the point of Eternal Reward? Instant disguise. Yes, you cant disguise without stabbing, but you can disguise INSTANTLY. Its huge upside for me, I dont even care for the silent killer so much, instantly disguising helps you kill sentries and engies easier, helps in chainstabbing and does a lot of other stuff. Downside of spycicle is that, the enemies dont scream, but leave obvious frozen bodies and sound of freezing is that obvious there is a spy nearby, more obvious then scream.
robcio150 3 weeks ago
@robcio150 thats why I use YER
dinosaurzez 2 weeks ago
U NO USE ENFORCER?
robcio150 3 weeks ago
Is there any way I could have the Gui you are using?
ShortyxGamer 3 weeks ago
I know a downside to this knife... You can't do the fencing taunt with it. :(
Zamorouskiwhich 3 weeks ago
As much as I hate to say it....the Spy Cicle is balanced
Sure, it counters Pyros, but keep in mind that you lose your knife, this means in exchange for the ability to counter Pyros, you lose your core ability to backstab as a Spy.
Use if it you like, but I'd rather be able to do trick stabs and go for kamikaze stabs on Medics and Engineers. The Spy Cicle is more or less a crutch, but at least it's no surprise.
Considering how many anti Spy items there are, I'm not surprised Valve added this.
watsyurdeal 3 weeks ago
Well, this weapon might save you from fire and that's really great.
But like what heavy weapons guy said
'I have yet to see man outsmart bullet'
While the weapon gives you immunity to fire, it can't save you from bullet based weapons. This is especially true when equipped with any other invisi watch apart from the dead ringer.
lousyPersonable 3 weeks ago
im trying to get it by crafting but i need reclaimed metal :( if anyone wanna donate 1 reclaimed matla my name is bblovestoeat
123BearPedo 3 weeks ago
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pwnload123 3 weeks ago
Never really thought about it, but I think I'm going to like this more than the YER
MijetGummiBear 3 weeks ago
When I play medic, I find it useful to equip the bombinomicon to counter silent kills of any sort. Even though the kill is still silent to everyone, and my body disappears, it still makes the sound of me exploding and gibbing. I feel it's pretty important for others around me to know that the medic got killed, since I'm usually the first one stabbed, and the spy's best disguise for getting close to teammates.
poperuku 3 weeks ago
and if you cant use your knife for 5 secs then no backstabs
jordan3802 3 weeks ago
so you want me to craft away Your Eternal Reward?
SuperLogin34 3 weeks ago
That's what silent killer means
Gimme2Dollars 3 weeks ago
Actually Saharan spy set's knife isnt only a silent killer with insta disguise. The knife also doesnt show kills within killfeeds
nepishcool 3 weeks ago
@nepishcool Neither does Spycicle.
gimmethegepgun 3 weeks ago
@nepishcool Yes it does
whatintheworld91 3 weeks ago
What HUD r u useing? Send me the link 0.0
SuperMrBigMacXI 4 weeks ago
I agree with ThePedroGunner. While the spy-cicle is a silent killer as in the backstabs don't appear in the kill feed, if you pay enough attention, you can still hear your teammates getting turned into ice. So while it is useful for spys against pyros, its not a true "silent" killer.
Narutorules250 4 weeks ago
you are a gaming saint sir
mario4ever1000 4 weeks ago
It is about time the spy got something like this. These days only the best spies can even survive in the game, let alone rack up a decent kill/death ratio.
toolworks 4 weeks ago
the downside is that it turns your victims into ice
jordan3802 4 weeks ago
Do you have to refill with 200 metal in order to get ur knife back?
or can u just pick up any amount of metal and get it back?
ilisbaani 1 month ago
Since I don't play with ragdolls I find this weapon WAY too OP. The only way to know that a spy uses it is from the sound. I've become pretty good on that btw =)
Eckeer 1 month ago
The most amazing knife is the Sharp dresser
LausiJO 1 month ago
The one thing I find about this knife is that it does not improve your overall kill ability, because it is harder to do chainstabs. But you live longer.
With a regular knife you can stab 4 or 5 people on the cart while on fire (and probably die in the process). With a spycicle, a pyro just needs to put a little fire on you and you become useless. The smart pyros will use airblast too.
Overall, this knife is definately a huge upgrade though.
It is almost impossible for a good spy to die with it
RemoteMemory 1 month ago
sweet
nielskv 1 month ago
lol, so biased
MrLouisBelcourt 1 month ago
i hope this does not get nerfed to oblivion by noobs
robloxkillerfreak 1 month ago
oh please, there are far more "op" weapons in the pyro's arsenal then this weapon. I think that its awesome that there is finally a weapon that is mostly directed to go against a pyro. Since they could basically take out most spies with their eyes closed before this weapon came along.
LeoRaids 1 month ago 14
@LeoRaids That's because the pyro is the direct counter for the spy.
limosince2007 1 month ago
@limosince2007 yes the pyro is the counter to the spy and Im not saying it shouldn't be that way, but the pyro has a HUGE edge over spies along with being fairly strong against most other classes. Some classes have advantages over others but not as much as the pyro over spy. Inexperienced pyros can just spray n' pray, and kill most spies easily.
Along with most people knowing how to spy-check with any class nowadays, I just feel the game is built against the spy a little too much
LeoRaids 1 month ago
i like the spycicle because some pyros fail to spy-check me
ivailoto5 1 month ago
what sensitivity do you play on? J.W. lol
mogogrog 1 month ago
Nerf the silent backstab away...
mrdontgiveafuck3 1 month ago
Is that the cloak and dagger or the default invisible watch
thewapow 1 month ago
@thewapow default
sonicfreak360 1 month ago
I got it for a strange razorback lol
mrps3great2 1 month ago
Its not gonna get nerfed lol
MrWolfy449 1 month ago
The weapon is ok for me is not OP, i can hear something melt sound noise (headphone)
Yeahhyy1 1 month ago
what is the font that you are using in your gui? or is it an inseparable part of some gui?
LionelsDevil 1 month ago
i wanna see this with the dead ringer XDDD
yma3591 1 month ago
@yma3591 it goes well with the dead ringer. when a pyro tries to burn you it shows the fake dead body burned but you're not burned
shadowblade10000 1 month ago
after thinking i think this is the best spy layout possible spy-cicle cloak and dagger and the E-trancer
supermancyWON 1 month ago in playlist More videos from Niichts
3:00 pro spy like omfgninja
thomaspy100 1 month ago
this ice sculpture thing, i think its not really a downside, i think its style and they just said it is a bad effect, but i would made this discription: "Turning backstabbed enemys into styli ice sculptures!"
Schokitafel 1 month ago
One thing I have to point out; Silent killer, yeah, but it makes ice statues so compared to the YER, it's still a downside :D Unless nobody in the enemy team turns around due to the battle of course, it doesn't matter then.
Remusdemon 1 month ago
i like saharan spy set personaly
yourdemiseishere 1 month ago
Some guy sold this for 5 ref, saying he saw a Bill's go for it. Is this real, or is it pretty cheap usually? what price is it?
m0therchi3f 1 month ago
they should add where if you hit a burning teammate with it it puts them out but you lose it
blackopspwnage5 1 month ago
Pro-tip: If you are crouched while invisible with C&D in front of spy checking heavy they will NOT HIT YOU! All the bullets go over your head and you can just crouch there indefinitely!
JazLynxi 1 month ago
You were kinda freaking out on this video dude. There are plenty of reasons to use the other knives: big earner gives you 100% DR up-time, kunai gives you overheal, reward gives instant stealthy disguises..a huge slab of ice is a pretty big downside. That soldier almost spanked you because he saw them. F2p players don't notice screams either way, and often the screams help in the long run because of intimidation and paranoia. No nerf is needed lmao
Kigrax 1 month ago
What map is this again?
ja1andju1 1 month ago
STAR can you post more tribes acsend please I have been waiting for gameplay for almost two months now
Bothunter196 1 month ago
There have been counter-weapons for nearly every class. Spy was the most hard-countered class in the game, literally allowing the worst of pyros to best even the best spies without too much work. The Spycicle + DR + Enforcer is the Spy's broken set right now, his Tomislav + Sandvich + GRU, but if it's going to stop me from crying myself to sleep from pyros, I don't mind.
I'm also gonna throw out there that I think the Enforcer is the broken part of that, that the Spycicle does have downsides...
ZanderOfTheWolves 1 month ago
This is a pyro killer, I usually (as a pyro) use the degreaser flare gun and axetinguisher, the flare gun and degreaser can't do anything and the axe has a -100% damage to non burning enemies
mrslapbob 1 month ago
after seeing this knife's gameplay,I most say that it's NOT recommended with the diamondback....I guess the knife is amazing with enforcer and dead ringer(since enforcer deals A LOT of dmg in ANY range and dead ringer nullifies enforcers negative trait) :D
edzero789 1 month ago
Why is pyro OP? TO ME? Cos of fucking backburner. It changed everything about pyros.
Pruneinei 1 month ago
How much does it cost? 1 refined? 2 refined?
GoRamonez 1 month ago
as a career pyro, this is the most broken item I think I've ever seen. It makes axetinguishing (my normal spy killing method, especially when they deadring and take damn near no damage) ineffective, and all I'm left with is shotgunning a invulnerable, nonburning, invisible target. It's about the worst possible situation for me.
Alchemagician 1 month ago
@OxDarkChaos Thats also cool
MegaVinylshaker 1 month ago
omg i really dont want them to nerf it!
heydude1029 1 month ago
the will probaly nerf it to 1 second
SharinganBlast9 1 month ago
@SharinganBlast9 not at all,since the spy is left WITHOUT a knife for 15 seconds...and TF2,that's a LONG wait buddy XD
edzero789 1 month ago
@edzero789
Actually, it's nothing. The spy can just cloak to a safe spot, and he can't be put on fire. By the time he escapes, his knife is ready and he can act like nothing happened. This is very true with the Dead Ringer, but even with Invis-Watch and Cloak & Dagger.
MrSHORYUKENS 1 month ago
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I know the down side about the spy cicle :
The ice cicles makes the team look around every time.
If you are behind a lot of people and a pyro put fire on you, you cant backstab anymore.
We dont have your awesome aim STAR, we dont get that much kills with revolver.
You can listen the spy cicle melting.
The "Silent Kill" make an ice sound ... in silence you can listen.
I prefer other knifes :)
Give me your opnion about this STAR, I really want to know.
ThePedroGunner 1 month ago
MOAR SPY CICLE
StefanRKO123 1 month ago
I've actually dropped the YER my favorite knife for this but I'm confident (and hoping) it gets a nerf soon because this is ridiculous.
HaloLvl43Legit 1 month ago
i cant get this knife
kiet201111 2 months ago
I reckon it shouldn't regenerate so quickly.
Abengoshis 2 months ago
Nice, but i prefer leap stabbin with kunai to put out flames
mrdontgiveafuck3 2 months ago
finally something to counter the most over powered noob fucking class, the pyro, DURRRR W+M1 I WINNN HERPPP DURPPP, I'M TWELVE YEARS OLD AND THIS IS THE ONLY CLASS I PLAY DERPPP I'M SO GOOD. fuck pyros, if the spycicle gets removed from the game for being "op" im gonna flip a shit.
fatpeepsRfunny 2 months ago
@fatpeepsRfunny Clearly you have a perfect sense of balance.
Pyro is agreed to be the most UP class :P
go123450 2 months ago
@fatpeepsRfunny If you think pyro and not heavy is the overpowered noob class, well I guess you play on servers where literally W+M1ing is the norm and you consider occasionally using M2 to rev and drop sandvichs, and requiring slightly more aim is the height of skill so consider heavy kills deserved.
Strangeguy0451 2 months ago
I know the down side about the spy cicle :
The ice cicles makes the team look around every time.
If you are behind a lot of people and a pyro put fire on you, you cant backstab anymore.
We dont have your awesome aim STAR, we dont get that much kills with revolver.
You can listen the spy cicle melting.
The "Silent Kill" make an ice sound ... in silence you can listen.
I prefer other knifes :)
ThePedroGunner 2 months ago 5
@ThePedroGunner Too good players, this knife isn't that great. For a noob, it's godlike. Dr. Enforcicle will tell you about it.
TheMattgician 3 weeks ago
@TheMattgician Why isn't it good to noobs I've been playing for 3 moths now and I know that's not long but I see it as a good knife tell me, why isn't it good to you and others?
whatintheworld91 3 weeks ago
@whatintheworld91 It's not as much bad than it's just dirty. it is a complete trolling weapon, when using the enforcer (itself overpowered) and dead ringer with it. You basically lose what spy is all about. At this point, you don't even need your knife, since the enforcer is so OP. In my mind, losing the knife for 15 seconds is a downside as I like to be very active and agressive, but most spies don't even care about that.
Basically, it's like the backburner or phlogistinator : it screems NOOB.
TheMattgician 3 weeks ago
@TheMattgician I am a terrible shot with any gun so, the enforcer is my friend when I spam a lot I never, ever exploit the revolver in any way while most do I see your point but since I am a hit and run spy it protects me from pyros while running, but the Phlogistinator i hate it.
whatintheworld91 3 weeks ago
@ThePedroGunner Naah, It is I very very quiet sound that only in a quiet environment would others hear it, not in the heat of battle, secondly I do agree with you I am the worst shot at any gun my most two played classes are spy and scout. They can here the knife melting but most don't pay attention to it for some reason, the knife melting helps you from being spy checked, there couldn't be a better knife in my eyes, it's on the verge of op
whatintheworld91 3 weeks ago
i believe that the idea valve had behind the spycicle was a spy knife however you can trick it out to survive spychecks where pyros are spraying random flames around
coollaws3 2 months ago
Well, its an anti-griefing thing when everyone goes Pyro to avoid spies... makes things more tactical in a way, forcing you not to rely on a Pyro to spycheck.
stickstriker 2 months ago
@EpicFunkey it's Garm3n HUD type that into google
Kingcon122195 2 months ago
Why my spy cicle does not turn victim into ice and the victim vanish after dying?
MarcusKhor1998889 2 months ago
@MarcusKhor1998889 i play in a server that when you kill a guy with a random weapon (any) or suicide he will dissapear with the cowmangler effect could be that?
blackspider38 2 months ago
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Why my spy cicle does not turn victim into and the victim vanish after dying?
MarcusKhor1998889 2 months ago
The downside is the frozen players. Alerts everyone to you being there.
milun2 2 months ago in playlist TF2 Laughs and Blasts 2
GOOD
MrMultiNapoleoni 2 months ago
does anyone know if the kill icon still shows up with the spy-cicle? I know it doesnt with the eternal reward,not sure bout this one tho
dnscodcs2 2 months ago
@dnscodcs2 It doesn't.
kamajje 2 months ago
You know i kinda like convenirs kunai
Spoldier 2 months ago
@Ob
StaticUnlimited 2 months ago
Did not realize that this one also gave you some fire-proofing, thought my spycheck skills had gone bad...now I feel better (sort of) ;)
chailey666 2 months ago
i dont really play spy that much, neither am i very good at it
but this makes me want to play it more
Tclay43 2 months ago
Once the TF2 community in general adapts to this new weapon, it means more people will be using teamwork to chase down spies instead of relying on one Pyro to spam fire everywhere to do it.
In other words, expect more "five people flying around like pissed off wasps looking for you" occurrences to happen -- against adapted players, the Spycicle's existence will just make life harder for Spy.
That is why I'm not convinced yet that it's overpowered: wait until people adapt, then judge it...
valcaron 2 months ago
@valcaron 5 people looking for you is 5 people not pushing.
go123450 2 months ago
And the winner is: JARATE!!!
NowIaNewMaster 2 months ago
Only thing I think is op is silent killing.
This isn't going to stop whiny bitching, but think of it like this.
The general pyro loadout is degreaser, flare, axtinguish
Those all require fire to be effective
The spycicle negates this.
Solution: Shotgun or different melee, airblast still works.
Really. You can still shoot the fucker, this knife is just ment to defend against pyros.
Obliviongatekeeper 2 months ago
@Obliviongatekeeper the solution to this is to use the dead ringer. before the issue was being set on fire with the dead ringer activated now u can get away often times virtually unscathed
GameModJr 2 months ago
2112 damage to the Heavy, I like :)
iAmPesukone 2 months ago
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WHAT'S THIS?! A spy knife that doesn't suck and is in fact really good, preposterous!
ZombieMonkey7 2 months ago
this is like the golden wrench and the saxxy
dazzlejohndg 2 months ago
On the trade servers this weapon is fuckin expensive and WHO FUCKIN CARES UF SOMETHING IS UNCRAFT
chobotsinformer000 2 months ago
@chobotsinformer000 u can craft it with tokens now
GameModJr 2 months ago
RRR NO IVE BEEN STABBED!!!
T3CHNOF0X 2 months ago
To everyone who cries about the Spy cicle being OP because it counters a class, you should cry about every other item out that counters a class as well. Razorback, Southern hospitality, Heavy's metal gloves, ect.
Then to the comments about how it counters a class that are suppose to counter them, take a look at engie's new shottie that drains a spy's cloak and the SH that makes a disguised spy bleed. Honestly, your QQ just making you look butt hurt about getting out played by a spy.
A1phaz0ne 2 months ago 7
@A1phaz0ne Razorback doesnt counter spies, if a spy gets behind you and he cant backstab he's probably just going to pop a few shots and bam your dead, spy is my number one class and i still dont like it. Comparing this to other weapons just makes you look like a dick because this is about the spy-cicle,Not the pomson or HEAVIES METAL GLOVES?!@!?
Cheez879 1 month ago
@A1phaz0ne Because it's such a stretch of the imagination that a weapon can simply be *gasp* overpowered, right?
kyzichanyo 1 month ago
@A1phaz0ne Poorest examples ever dude. Those items are either so situational they're practically never of any use or easily countered. Spycicle is useful every time there is a pyro on the server and can help counter both newbie and competent pyros greatly. The razorback gets you shot by spies instead and only counters stupid spies. Honestly your bad arguments make you look like a bad spy desparately trying to keep his crutch weapon.
marcopoodle 1 month ago 16
I'd so would love to play against you SonicRocker15x. I see you have 5 thumbs up. Bunch of Pyro fanboysI bet. Well, seems like you're not playing against pro Spy players. You're playing against F2P players.
ShieldLessLink 2 months ago 4
@ShieldLessLink I myself am a decent Pyro (Only decent though and Degreaser <3). I have found that dealing with MOST spies using the spy-cicle is easy. Mainly because they aren't a good spy to begin with D:
That being said, I know when I see a good spy and those are the only ones I truly fear :3
PS. I suck as a Spy </3
Glasseh 1 month ago in playlist More videos from Niichts
@Glasseh Wtf was point of this comment?
Do we care?
TheBunnyFilms 1 month ago
@TheBunnyFilms well what's the point of your comment does anybody care that you don't care anymore than any other comment
NightHawkXFG 2 weeks ago
Can you give me the link to the HUD you're using? It's f*cking awesome.
EpicFunkey 2 months ago
Spy: "I'm making a list and checking it twice. I know who's been naughty and who's been... ICED"
GameModJr 2 months ago 28
@GameModJr Icy what you did there.
JKJ1098 1 month ago
Nerfs, coming your way soon! Valve time.
MrPhantomslayer 2 months ago
OP?
Foxmang 2 months ago
The thing i have about the spycicle is that is a complete counter to the one class that is supposed to counter the spy. Every class is supposed to have another class that can counter it, If not the team aspect is just gone. For example heavy would usually have trouble with Scouts (if he was unaware of the scout) Because the wind-up time on his minigun was quite large, But now with the tomislav it is almost impossible for a scout to deal with him because he's already shooting in midair,My opinion
Cheez879 2 months ago
@Cheez879 So basically what you're saying is that the Engineer is countered by Demomen, Soldies, Spies and Snipers?
Feanarth 2 months ago
You make me regret selling my Spy-cicle
EmperorMobius 2 months ago
hey do people still play on Niichts server plz reply plzzzzz (:(: (: (: (: PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ
alexis700077 2 months ago
@alexis700077 i want to donate and play on his server plz reply (: (: (:
alexis700077 2 months ago
I think making the cooldown after melting longer would make it a bit more balanced.
tooni700 2 months ago
Good video.
toemaetoe 2 months ago
To all u guys u can only get this inthe nice crates atm.
When the naughty and nice crates go away, ive heard they will be findable and craftable and tradeable along with holiday punch and the scout item. Im not certain but am pretty sure this is rite.
Mrferrell287 2 months ago
So you just open the nice crate and hope there's a Spy-cicle in it?
You must be lucky...
DragonBoy425 2 months ago
how does one get this spycicle?
RonEeniAli 2 months ago
Wow the Saharan Spy knife was my absolute favorite but this is just *ahem* way cooler. Keeping the disguise kit is huge but I think it'll get a health downside in the future
ChocolateAsian9000 2 months ago