Were was Turkey when Saddam killed Turkmens Kurds, Assyrians, Shiis? Where were their demands when Saddam was ruling Iraq? Only after Kurds get the control of their land back now Turkey becomes interested in their Turkmen "Brothers"
The Kurds can say "we". For instance, they can say "We are less screwed up than the rest of Iraq." or "We have no terrorist violence compared to the rest of Iraq" or "We would like to be able to trust the Oil Ministry, but experience has shown what happens when we do that" and "We are a lot more exposed and we have fewer rich allies".
Regrettably, they can also say "We have corrupt officials, too" like they just did in the recent elections.
I don't think you fully understand the suffering of the kurds in Iraq. We just don't trust to leave a little kurdish village under the arabs control. they just can't be trusted, so how can we leave our beloved kirkuk with them. it is a kurdish city pure and simple.
My point with Hadrian's wall is that the presence of Roman buildings in Scotland doesn't make Edinburgh Italian. Ancient buildings may have some significance to the region's culture, but are not a determinant of the region's culture.
There are no 100% Kurdish areas of any scope, except the remnants of Saddam's concentration camps where the Kurdish villagers were rounded up. The best hope for minorities in Kurdistan is the KDP/PUK conflict, both power blocks need allies for control.
First, the Kurds live in a tough neighborhood and their responses sometimes go over the top. However, telling a group that has been targeted for extermination by Arabs that they shouldn't be suspicious of Arabs is beyond insulting.
I've packed up and moved so many times that I lost count at 100. I cried when I was five. I got over it. I know that there are worse things than not having a homeland. Dirt is what you make of it and oil is not wealth.
"Extermination by Arabs?" Are you talking about Saddam? He tried to exterminate us shia muslims too. Kurds are just as bad as Arabs, the Assyrians and Turkomens don't have it good in Kurdish areas, and giving that land to kurds would only mean that non-Kurdish minorities woul be subject to oppression because a lot of Kurds think everything in Nort-Iraq is historically Kurdish, even though you can find 3000 year old buildings made by non-Kurds in said areas, like the citadel in Kirkuk.
Thank you for responding civilly, many of the comments on this video have been deleted because they were extremely foul.
Saddam did persecute the Shia, and his actions against the Marsh Arabs were foul. It bothers me that many groups in Iraq are influenced by the fascist methods of Saddam. Assyrians are doing better than Turkomen because their religion gives them stronger allies. As for buildings, Hadrian's wall doesn't make Scotland Italian.
Hadrian's wall was actually made to fend off Scots from invading Roman areas. Anyway, my point is that non-Kurds have been living in Kirkuk just as long as Kurds, and buildings like the Citadel prove that. Also, I don't care if the 100% Kurdish areas goes to the Kurds, but I want cities with big minorities like Kirkuk stay in Baghdad's hands, because I fear that the Kurds will claim everything as historically theirs and suppress the non-Kurdish miniorties. I also want the oil money to be split.
Kirkuk shouldn't go to Kurdistan, as the Kurds are behaving like the Jews regarding "their" land. Mass-expulsion of Turkmen and Arabs, oppression of non-Kurds, and nationalism.
I don't have any problem with ares populated 100% by Kurds going to the autonomous region, but Kirkuk and Mosul should be in Baghdad's hands to avoid Kurdish oppression.
you know, you are just making up stories here about kurdish oppression. bye the way if the muslim arabs were half decent as the jews, we would have made peace with the arabs long time ago.
If the Arabs had been half-decent as the Jews you guys would have been locked up in a small desert stripe while getting bombed like the poor Gazans. If the Arabs had been half-decent as the Jews you'd be second class citizens in your own land. So shut the fuck up. Kurdish oppression of non-Kurdish minorities is well documented. You're just like the Jews, thinking everything is only yours.
no matter what the jews do to the arabs is nothing compare to the centries of suffering from the muslim arabs and the history is wintess to that. if the jews had half of the power that jews had now, they would wipe out the jews, the kurds, and every non muslim nation. thanks God the muslim arabs are the garbage of humanity and they are where they truely belong. what ever rights kurds have in iraq, we got with the blood of our peshmerge. so, don't take credit for it.
It's so fun hearing this coming from a Kurd...3000 years of existence and you still have not created a single thing of value to the world. Saladin is the only thing you got while the Arabs and their forefathers (from the Babylonians in Iraq to the Pharaohs of Egypt) have made scientific contributions equaled by very few. Why dont you stick to your honor killings and let the grown-ups discuss this issue?
ohh pls you actually think you arabs invented any thing. you have done nothing of value to to humanity. you are nothing better than the kurds. you actually beleive Abas bin Firnas was the first man to fly. is that what your arab history says. wake up man, arabs are the most ignorant nation in this world. and by the way, the owner killing is some thing we learned from the arabs and muslims and if we just stay with our new american friends, the islam nightmare will be over soon.
LOL! What an idiot you are. The Babylonians, the Arab Iraqis forefathers and the Egyptian Arabs' forefathers were the ones to give the world algebra and arithmetics. Arabs made the biggest progresses in mathematics and medicine during the dark ages, while kurds gang raped and killed their daughters in the name of honor....
The kurds are an absolute joke. 3000 years and no contribution to the world. I wonder why wikipedia has NO entries on "kurdish scientists" but a few hunded on arab ones....
you can bull shit yourself about your schientific history, but not me. you are the joke here. the old egyptions were not even arabs. knowing how to count is not science idiot. i know kurds have gang raped athori daughters in the past and I am truely sorry for that, but that is the education of islam.
Listen you fucking clown. The Ancient Egyptians were the ANCESTORS of Egyptian Arabs. Just because the language changed doesnt mean it's not the same people asshole. Or do you think the Ancient Romans speak the same language as today's Italians you idiot?
And yeah, you can tell yourself that you don't believe in any Arab scientific contributions, but telling a lie a 100 times doesn't make it come true. Just like telling the lie that Kirkuk and Mosul are Kurdish never will be true either.
you are the ignorant asshole. Egypt was occupied by the arabs during islamic ocuupations, so don't connect them to the arabs. tell me some of your arab inventions asshole beside the beheadings. you Athories are finished and soon will be extinct just like the dinasores. so go suck some arab dicks since you enjoy it so much.
IDIOT! Yes, Egypt was occupied by the Arabs. But where do you think the Egyptians went you clown? They didn't go extinct. Most Arab nations weren't even arabic before Islam you idiot. But after the muslims occupied Iraq, Egypt, North-Africa etc.etc they started talking Arabic. Iraqis were actually part Persian and part Assyrian before the occupation you moron.
Here's a list of discoveries or inventions by arabs:
you are an ignorant and you manipulate words. I know what you are saying, but you forgot that i was merely replying to your claim that old egyptians are the fathers of the arabs "Egyptian Arabs' forefathers" so, i told you they are not the fathers of the arabs. look at it this way, the turks occupied what is know as turkey, but they can't claim that thousands of years of Greek history as being Turks history. do you get my point. you claim kerkuk is not kurdish, go look up the wikipedia
Ethanol has been used by humans since prehistory as the intoxicating ingredient of alcoholic beverages. Dried residues on 9,000-year-old pottery found in China imply that alcoholic beverages were used even among Neolithic people.[2] Its isolation as a relatively pure compound was first achieved by the Persian alchemist, Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes, 865925).
The arabs lived on top of an ocean of oil and the westrners have o come here and get it out becasue arabs are shit heads. Don't bull shit about arabs discovering Petrol because there is nothing in the history support that claim.
Distilled Watter........pure water was discoverd by the arabs.hahaha..this is a joke....this is the shit knowledge you learn from arabs school..no wonder arabs are the garbage of earth....
@sermantje So what? Arabs are not made of up of one people only but many people. Egyptian Arabs and Iraqi Arabs have different ancestors. Algerian Arabs and Kuwaiti Arabs have different ancestors. Do me a favor and read a history book before annoying me again. As for Kurds I think you should have your own country, but Kirkuk is not yours, not all of it.
and annoying i guess the truth is annoying to you.
but kurds never had an independent state with all the things that come with it, like foreign investments and business trade, places of higher education,water purification installations, power plants,hospitals, basic infrastructure etc
all these things are denied to the kurds to keep them dumb and divided.
and dont think kurds are dumb ppl we are just as smart if not smarter then our neighbours.
@sermantje Sure you are smarte3r than your neighbors honey. That's why the Kurds and their ancestors have made the biggest civilizations. The Pharaohs of Egypt, the Babylonians, the Phoenicians, the Sumerians, the Ottoman Empire, the Arab Caliphate, the Sassanid Empire, they were all Kurdish right?
If there were 500 or maybe 1000 turkish families in New York, would this make New York turkish property? Of course NOT! Although this is the turkmens logic. They come and proclaim this is all ours we were never here, we didn't build anything here and nobody here likes us, but we will take it and say we lived here forever and we build everthing here. I mean don't you have no scruples. Kurds don't commit genocides although they are 10 times more because they have scruples, where are yours?
The time of occupation of the Kirkuk area by the Safavid Dynasty during the reign of Shah Ismail I in the 16th century AD is the time when the settlement of Turkmen in the area began. The Safavid tried to impose the Shi'a faith on the Kurds, in an attempt to replace the Sunni Muslim whom they did not trust.
Kirkuk is not worth destroying Turkey, Kurdistan, or Iraq to get.
This is the reason most people around the world think nobody there can be trusted to keep the peace. You can't even comment peaceably.
The best argument I've ever seen for the administration of Kirkuk were the actions of Kurdish policemen and Turkmen leaders who had lunch together respectably and peaceably.
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KurdSouth 1 year ago
@KurdSouth 100% true and not less.
Were was Turkey when Saddam killed Turkmens Kurds, Assyrians, Shiis? Where were their demands when Saddam was ruling Iraq? Only after Kurds get the control of their land back now Turkey becomes interested in their Turkmen "Brothers"
dataman121 2 months ago
Kirkuk is KURDISTAN, LOOK UP IN HISTORYYYYYYY!!
Sarezh998 1 year ago
haha i know where this is what road....lol
mistressouka 1 year ago
Kirkuk (Karkuk) was is and will be a Kurdish city.
Biji Kirkuki Kurdistan
mashad0 2 years ago 3
this is not turkmeleni or kurdish you stupid, this is iraq and still IRAQ...
iraqiserseri587 2 years ago
it seems that the kurdish do not give an inkling about iraq and only about themselves,
why do they think the world owes them this huge favour, they should think in terms of iraq, not of only themselves,
kirkuk should be controlled by baghdad and oil wealth distributed amongst iraq's sectors fairly,
it is not nice what has happened to ethic groups in iraq, but the kurds have no right to say "mine" or "all ours", and "i" all the time,
MotherOfScorpions 2 years ago
The Kurds can say "we". For instance, they can say "We are less screwed up than the rest of Iraq." or "We have no terrorist violence compared to the rest of Iraq" or "We would like to be able to trust the Oil Ministry, but experience has shown what happens when we do that" and "We are a lot more exposed and we have fewer rich allies".
Regrettably, they can also say "We have corrupt officials, too" like they just did in the recent elections.
pslblog 2 years ago
I don't think you fully understand the suffering of the kurds in Iraq. We just don't trust to leave a little kurdish village under the arabs control. they just can't be trusted, so how can we leave our beloved kirkuk with them. it is a kurdish city pure and simple.
happyending0791 2 years ago
My point with Hadrian's wall is that the presence of Roman buildings in Scotland doesn't make Edinburgh Italian. Ancient buildings may have some significance to the region's culture, but are not a determinant of the region's culture.
There are no 100% Kurdish areas of any scope, except the remnants of Saddam's concentration camps where the Kurdish villagers were rounded up. The best hope for minorities in Kurdistan is the KDP/PUK conflict, both power blocks need allies for control.
pslblog 2 years ago
Norlimon,
First, the Kurds live in a tough neighborhood and their responses sometimes go over the top. However, telling a group that has been targeted for extermination by Arabs that they shouldn't be suspicious of Arabs is beyond insulting.
I've packed up and moved so many times that I lost count at 100. I cried when I was five. I got over it. I know that there are worse things than not having a homeland. Dirt is what you make of it and oil is not wealth.
pslblog 2 years ago
"Extermination by Arabs?" Are you talking about Saddam? He tried to exterminate us shia muslims too. Kurds are just as bad as Arabs, the Assyrians and Turkomens don't have it good in Kurdish areas, and giving that land to kurds would only mean that non-Kurdish minorities woul be subject to oppression because a lot of Kurds think everything in Nort-Iraq is historically Kurdish, even though you can find 3000 year old buildings made by non-Kurds in said areas, like the citadel in Kirkuk.
Norlimon 2 years ago
Norlimon,
Thank you for responding civilly, many of the comments on this video have been deleted because they were extremely foul.
Saddam did persecute the Shia, and his actions against the Marsh Arabs were foul. It bothers me that many groups in Iraq are influenced by the fascist methods of Saddam. Assyrians are doing better than Turkomen because their religion gives them stronger allies. As for buildings, Hadrian's wall doesn't make Scotland Italian.
pslblog 2 years ago
Hadrian's wall was actually made to fend off Scots from invading Roman areas. Anyway, my point is that non-Kurds have been living in Kirkuk just as long as Kurds, and buildings like the Citadel prove that. Also, I don't care if the 100% Kurdish areas goes to the Kurds, but I want cities with big minorities like Kirkuk stay in Baghdad's hands, because I fear that the Kurds will claim everything as historically theirs and suppress the non-Kurdish miniorties. I also want the oil money to be split.
Norlimon 2 years ago
Kirkuk shouldn't go to Kurdistan, as the Kurds are behaving like the Jews regarding "their" land. Mass-expulsion of Turkmen and Arabs, oppression of non-Kurds, and nationalism.
I don't have any problem with ares populated 100% by Kurds going to the autonomous region, but Kirkuk and Mosul should be in Baghdad's hands to avoid Kurdish oppression.
Norlimon 2 years ago
fuck u
ravier387 2 years ago
you know, you are just making up stories here about kurdish oppression. bye the way if the muslim arabs were half decent as the jews, we would have made peace with the arabs long time ago.
happyending0791 2 years ago
If the Arabs had been half-decent as the Jews you guys would have been locked up in a small desert stripe while getting bombed like the poor Gazans. If the Arabs had been half-decent as the Jews you'd be second class citizens in your own land. So shut the fuck up. Kurdish oppression of non-Kurdish minorities is well documented. You're just like the Jews, thinking everything is only yours.
Norlimon 2 years ago
no matter what the jews do to the arabs is nothing compare to the centries of suffering from the muslim arabs and the history is wintess to that. if the jews had half of the power that jews had now, they would wipe out the jews, the kurds, and every non muslim nation. thanks God the muslim arabs are the garbage of humanity and they are where they truely belong. what ever rights kurds have in iraq, we got with the blood of our peshmerge. so, don't take credit for it.
happyending0791 2 years ago
It's so fun hearing this coming from a Kurd...3000 years of existence and you still have not created a single thing of value to the world. Saladin is the only thing you got while the Arabs and their forefathers (from the Babylonians in Iraq to the Pharaohs of Egypt) have made scientific contributions equaled by very few. Why dont you stick to your honor killings and let the grown-ups discuss this issue?
Norlimon 2 years ago
ohh pls you actually think you arabs invented any thing. you have done nothing of value to to humanity. you are nothing better than the kurds. you actually beleive Abas bin Firnas was the first man to fly. is that what your arab history says. wake up man, arabs are the most ignorant nation in this world. and by the way, the owner killing is some thing we learned from the arabs and muslims and if we just stay with our new american friends, the islam nightmare will be over soon.
happyending0791 2 years ago
LOL! What an idiot you are. The Babylonians, the Arab Iraqis forefathers and the Egyptian Arabs' forefathers were the ones to give the world algebra and arithmetics. Arabs made the biggest progresses in mathematics and medicine during the dark ages, while kurds gang raped and killed their daughters in the name of honor....
The kurds are an absolute joke. 3000 years and no contribution to the world. I wonder why wikipedia has NO entries on "kurdish scientists" but a few hunded on arab ones....
Norlimon 2 years ago
you can bull shit yourself about your schientific history, but not me. you are the joke here. the old egyptions were not even arabs. knowing how to count is not science idiot. i know kurds have gang raped athori daughters in the past and I am truely sorry for that, but that is the education of islam.
happyending0791 2 years ago
Listen you fucking clown. The Ancient Egyptians were the ANCESTORS of Egyptian Arabs. Just because the language changed doesnt mean it's not the same people asshole. Or do you think the Ancient Romans speak the same language as today's Italians you idiot?
And yeah, you can tell yourself that you don't believe in any Arab scientific contributions, but telling a lie a 100 times doesn't make it come true. Just like telling the lie that Kirkuk and Mosul are Kurdish never will be true either.
Norlimon 2 years ago
you are the ignorant asshole. Egypt was occupied by the arabs during islamic ocuupations, so don't connect them to the arabs. tell me some of your arab inventions asshole beside the beheadings. you Athories are finished and soon will be extinct just like the dinasores. so go suck some arab dicks since you enjoy it so much.
happyending0791 2 years ago
IDIOT! Yes, Egypt was occupied by the Arabs. But where do you think the Egyptians went you clown? They didn't go extinct. Most Arab nations weren't even arabic before Islam you idiot. But after the muslims occupied Iraq, Egypt, North-Africa etc.etc they started talking Arabic. Iraqis were actually part Persian and part Assyrian before the occupation you moron.
Here's a list of discoveries or inventions by arabs:
Ethanol
Distilled Water
Petrol
.
Maybe you should start reading books.
Norlimon 2 years ago
you are an ignorant and you manipulate words. I know what you are saying, but you forgot that i was merely replying to your claim that old egyptians are the fathers of the arabs "Egyptian Arabs' forefathers" so, i told you they are not the fathers of the arabs. look at it this way, the turks occupied what is know as turkey, but they can't claim that thousands of years of Greek history as being Turks history. do you get my point. you claim kerkuk is not kurdish, go look up the wikipedia
happyending0791 2 years ago
Ethanol was discovered by persions smart guy.
Ethanol has been used by humans since prehistory as the intoxicating ingredient of alcoholic beverages. Dried residues on 9,000-year-old pottery found in China imply that alcoholic beverages were used even among Neolithic people.[2] Its isolation as a relatively pure compound was first achieved by the Persian alchemist, Muhammad ibn Zakarīya Rāzi (Rhazes, 865925).
happyending0791 2 years ago
The arabs lived on top of an ocean of oil and the westrners have o come here and get it out becasue arabs are shit heads. Don't bull shit about arabs discovering Petrol because there is nothing in the history support that claim.
happyending0791 2 years ago
Distilled Watter........pure water was discoverd by the arabs.hahaha..this is a joke....this is the shit knowledge you learn from arabs school..no wonder arabs are the garbage of earth....
happyending0791 2 years ago
Cause arabs have 22 countries, kurds have no country.
And theres 15 times more arabs then kurds.
sermantje 2 years ago
@sermantje So what? Arabs are not made of up of one people only but many people. Egyptian Arabs and Iraqi Arabs have different ancestors. Algerian Arabs and Kuwaiti Arabs have different ancestors. Do me a favor and read a history book before annoying me again. As for Kurds I think you should have your own country, but Kirkuk is not yours, not all of it.
Norlimon 2 years ago
yes so? i never said all arabs were the same.
and annoying i guess the truth is annoying to you.
but kurds never had an independent state with all the things that come with it, like foreign investments and business trade, places of higher education,water purification installations, power plants,hospitals, basic infrastructure etc
all these things are denied to the kurds to keep them dumb and divided.
and dont think kurds are dumb ppl we are just as smart if not smarter then our neighbours.
sermantje 2 years ago
@sermantje Sure you are smarte3r than your neighbors honey. That's why the Kurds and their ancestors have made the biggest civilizations. The Pharaohs of Egypt, the Babylonians, the Phoenicians, the Sumerians, the Ottoman Empire, the Arab Caliphate, the Sassanid Empire, they were all Kurdish right?
L O L
Norlimon 2 years ago
you can't cout "intelligence" on power .. maybe we all dumb but if someone thinks like you he is dumber than we all
one love from kirkuk
sXxXe 2 years ago
If there were 500 or maybe 1000 turkish families in New York, would this make New York turkish property? Of course NOT! Although this is the turkmens logic. They come and proclaim this is all ours we were never here, we didn't build anything here and nobody here likes us, but we will take it and say we lived here forever and we build everthing here. I mean don't you have no scruples. Kurds don't commit genocides although they are 10 times more because they have scruples, where are yours?
tellthetruthyoumoron 2 years ago
Kerkuk is Turkmen
whatever kurds say!
KerkukTurkmeneli 2 years ago
Turkmen immigration
The time of occupation of the Kirkuk area by the Safavid Dynasty during the reign of Shah Ismail I in the 16th century AD is the time when the settlement of Turkmen in the area began. The Safavid tried to impose the Shi'a faith on the Kurds, in an attempt to replace the Sunni Muslim whom they did not trust.
arazzengene 2 years ago
'fuck you you ugly turk go fuck your self
kurdsdale 3 years ago 2
Kerkuk is Turkmen
whatever kurds say!
KerkukTurkmeneli 3 years ago
Kirkuk belongs to kurdistan, even a donkey knows that you arab and turk fuckers!
WhiteScorpio11 3 years ago 9
KIRKUK IS KURDISTYAN!!!
KURDISTAN4evah 4 years ago 10
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we wont let kerkuk !
KerkukTurkmeneli 4 years ago
kirkuk onley for kurdistan no where elase no body elase the fucher kirkuk come back to kurdish ppl die for turkish tukman arab ,,
SiYaChaMaNa 4 years ago 6
Kirkuk is not worth destroying Turkey, Kurdistan, or Iraq to get.
This is the reason most people around the world think nobody there can be trusted to keep the peace. You can't even comment peaceably.
The best argument I've ever seen for the administration of Kirkuk were the actions of Kurdish policemen and Turkmen leaders who had lunch together respectably and peaceably.
pslblog 4 years ago
kirkuk IS KURDISTAN
TURKMENS FUCK OFF
Hozan22 4 years ago 3
kirkuk is the heart of kurdistan, go out turkmens
evindar21 4 years ago
STFU dreamers we Turks are going to come soon
gurelscarfaceturkish 4 years ago
Kirkuk is for Iraq not for Kurdistan
JohnIraq 4 years ago
Absolutely brother!
We need to hear that!
IraqiTurkmen 4 years ago
Wich Iraq? Sheit Iraq or Suynni? You should cotinuoing killing each other...
Fuck Iraq
Kerkuk is heart of Kurdistan
bawegur2714 3 years ago 5
Kirkuk Kurdistan turkmengay go back to mongolia!!
Shoresh99 4 years ago 2