You right I have been told this many times at the end of a failed argument. Pascals Wager fails miserably, atheists don't buy into this crap. First they have to prove without a doubt that in fact hell exists, which has never happened. If hell is real, where the Hell is it then?
@globehunter2 Obeying god???? Thou shalt not covet? Thou shalt not kill?? Thou shalt not steal? Thou shalt not give false testimony? Thou shalt love the lord thy god? I mean what is obeying?? Nobody has ever obeyed one law! No... There are a couple of claiming gods. Budha, shiva, allah, and YHWH. And there are some tribal gods in afrika and india. But according to the christian god being holy is knowing him. Knowing him means "trying" to live like he wants.
@globehunter2 And that means that you need to declare a truth that is true for the poor bum on the street as well as the king. For the one who is locked up for his faith in soletary isolation for 20 years in communist russia as well as one living the life of a movie star in hollywood. The biblical truth is that god is love. Meaning he is stronger then your weakness and jesus died for your sins. And god looks at the heart. He does not look as humans do to accomplishment and such.
@chriss179 I'm greatful to God for sacrificing himself to himself to get himself to forgive humanity of the sins that he cursed us with (which he is unwilling or unable to cure, which furthermore is impossible because then he wouldn't be God - See the contradiction?)
If you, or anyone, truly listened and comprehended what Pat said in this video, you wouldn't be theist, and most certainly not Christian - but you can't do that, because you've made a virtue out of narrow-mindedness and ignorance.
@porrsmurfen Let me make this one very clear to you. Do your kings or presidents "cure" the criminals??? Yes they do... That is, they cure the sin by punishment. God does that also.. Thats a gift of grace he gives to those whom he loves. I believe your kings do that also, judges are an extension to the ruling authority (wether king or president) And executioner are also an extension of the king. Same goes with god. But they also cleanse the land. Thats when they no longer love you.
@chriss179 Btw, can you tell me "god sacrifices himself to himself to??? get Himself????"... I don't know what it means... But who do your kings or presidents sacrifice when you commit a crime??? Themselves??? And after you received that sacrifice, prison or death..... Do they forgive you because of that sacrifice???
I really don't think you're getting the point. Keep looking at yourself and your elected president or king.... Look at your own laws... There is little to take away.
@chriss179 I'll try to answer this myself because i don't really see the ability to discern in you....
When jesus died he carried away my death sentence (no more hell for me yay!). Had i received that death sentence myself, god would not have forgiven me, nor does he forgive me because jesus received that death sentence.. He forgave me because i "ASKED HIM TO" and "SHOWED REPENTANCE". Stopped laughing and cried over what i have done. Looked back on my life as he does.
@porrsmurfen GOd does that by scrapping your name from the book of life. Thats called the capital punishment. And kings do that to their enemies too.. I believe the allied did that to alot of japanese and to alot of germans and italians a little while ago. But also in peace time it happens. Just on a smaller scale.
@porrsmurfen Then there is your own part which you are not willing to do. but thats why kings love their own and kill the enemy.. That is called repentance. That means that you actually confess your sin (i believe he was pictured crucified to me, meaning god has already forgiven everything, all you need to do is pin it to his broken body and you can have faith thats where your sin was cast). and ask god to cast your sin away. And for the heroes among us, accept whats coming!
@porrsmurfen I don't believe a rightious god will "cure" you for murdering my son, by "curing" whatever is wrong in your head and that takes care of it, you can go on and enjoy life while my heart is cut out of my chest. So that means that no matter how hard you repent, YOU WILL GET WHATS COMING TO YOU! That you nor anyone else might think that killing is a good thing, no matter how much god "cured" you. Salvation is process of stages. 1 stage is where you suffer what you have done
@porrsmurfen Thats the part of being rightious. ANd if you think that is a contradiction in gods head then tell me how your king deals with murderers and thieves. Tell me and let us reason. When you opened your eyes you came into a reality. Thats where things matter. When your doing computer games, you can chainsaw people to death. But in reality you will suffer the consequences. GOd is not your little bitch to die for you and take those consequences away by "curing" you..
@porrsmurfen You should listen for once when they keep saying that god is king of kings, lord of lords and he is king over all the earth. And you should ask yourself what does my king do for my country. What does he mean for his people??
1: LAW!
2: LAW!
3: LAW!
4: LAW!
5: LAW!
Just like your father means LAW! LAW! LAW! LAW! LAW!
Thats why the french revolution sparked a generation of atheism. "LIBERTE, FRATERNITE, EGALISE!" - the LIBERTE part is atheism... End of monarchies.
@porrsmurfen And the french revolution did just that. Bring the ruling power to the people.. I truly believe thats where it belonged all along. Not with church or monarchy. But the president didn't change the law of the land to allow murder or theft. Nor did jesus teach "HIS DISCIPLES" to establish some kind of kingdom on earth where we subject people to his worship.. Like constantin did in rome. Or like the inquisitin did in the holy roman empire.
@porrsmurfen Europe and america are pagan. They worshipped zeus. Why do we see those westerner movies about cowboys shooting eachother? THe wild west?? Because thats what europe and america the european colony are... Pagan tribes. Let them live with their pagan kings and presidents or senate! Jesus tought that his disciples will be part of the holy people of israel. Because jesus = king of the jews. When you pledge allegiance to him........ I'm sorry... But thats what it means.
@porrsmurfen Anyways, i regress... You can talk bullshit on how god needs to "cure" you for being a pig.... I'm telling you he is the great healer. He told the chief pharisees: The sick need a healer, not the rightious! Jesus didn't die for the rightious.. There is nothing to heal in them.
@globehunter2 Meaning there is salvation for the murderer and the prostitute.. Jesus told as much when he told the pharisees that the traitors (jewish tax collectors for rome) and the prostitutes would enter the kingdom of heaven before the pharisees (the religious elite of that time). Because they understood that the key to heaven is the forgiveness of sin. While the elite thought that the key to heaven is living rightiousness and keeping the law. And prostitutes don't do that eh.
This guy has such a twisted, distorted version of religion. I think he was sexually abused by a priest. You take the most negative aspects blow them full out of proportion and try to make religion about repression rather than freedom, truly bizarre. Anyhow when you come close to death, whether you like it or not, whether there is Jaws music or not you WILL experience fear and, yes, you will see there is an after life and feel utterly stupid. I just hope those listening to you won't be so.
@PabloPena108 ermm religion is about repression and creating fear in order to get obedience in return. What does religion have to do with freedom? Apart from trying to eliminate it.
@kgarvey68 Religion is not one big cooking pot. And speaking about islam. Yes, it exists only to create slaves to allah. Slaves to his will. Period. Christianity exists to eliminate slavery and bring man back to freedom. If you think "freedom" means the freedom to do evil and get away with it, then don't think that religion only does this. Religion only shifts the power from the people (who are not one) to god (who should always be the same and who is one). Even your judges punish sin
@kgarvey68 I think that stealing is slavery. That drug abuse is slavery. Alcohol is slavery. That crime is slavery. Slavery to jealousy, hatred, drinking and all kinds of uncleansiness. Christianity is there to get people out of that prison of evil and bring them back to a life of self respect and love. Of respect for others. Respect and love for life itself. Now you don't think that is freedom, but prostitution is??? Then you are the shining example of why atheism is so popular today
@kgarvey68 If i believe that stealing is slavery?? That prostitution is slavery?? That gluttony is slavery? Or that jealousy is slavery? That sloth is slavery? I don't know what your father tried to teach you during your youth, but if you think that i need to be brought back into some kind of reality where prostitution is freedom and repentance is slavery then by god you go and live your "freedom" to the max.. I'll actually honor god with my body and my soul. You reap what you sow.
@kgarvey68 If i believe that...... You know what... You can roll around in your filth all day long for all i care. Abuse your body. Abuse women, abuse men. Abuse animals... Then as the filthy sow that you are never be washed clean and be rejected for eternal life. And all the security that you will have is 1: No matter if there is a heaven or not. You'll never enter.
@kgarvey68 Really pigs have such a big mouth.. I believe there isn't an animal in the world which has more audacity then a pig. But you do need very big audacity to stand in the light of day and claim that living a rightious life with self respect and respect for others is less then living without any dignity for yourself or any respect for others. Telling the world that evil is freedom and virtue is slavery.
You know... I'm mocking you and your unrelenting in your stupidity.
@kgarvey68 Even claiming that i need to be brought back to "reality"....... Brought back to swinery?? Brought back to filth??? Brought back to???? Injustice?? I'm not accustomed that the rightious repent and start to do evil. I'm accustomed that the wicked repent and give up their wicked ways and start living virtuous. But thats just me.... And the reality we all were born into.
@destinystruth And here come the swine again. Lets just face it... Pat Condell is a great speaker and intelligent thinker. but he keeps putting himself in the middle of the pig sty. Maybe because at any given time in history the majority of people are ignorant and closed minded fools.. And if you want exaltation by the masses (and he as an eloquent thinker seems to)then you'l have to steal their hearts. But thats the wide gate where many go. When the blind are leading the blind...
@destinystruth But hey, history has many names that have been forgotten. And from the pig sty not one name will be forgotten. Like the grass of yesterday they go and are forgotten.
@destinystruth You know of all the animals in the animal kingdom there is only one who will face the king head on. That is the pig.(watch?v=sLqgekTQbqk)
This is not just coincidence. This is because pigs have their uncleansiness and the king has laws. Thats why the pig tells the one preaching that bad things ought to be given up because god loves us and created us to be his children and sons of god don't belong in the mud pool... They are attacked, told to fuck off.. Get out!
@destinystruth Well I guess you really want me here since you know saying that will only make me stay longer! But I absolve you of your ignorance. Go and repent.
Waugh (a Catholic convert, of course) tried to sell us this in Brideshead Revisited. Who remembers a then aged Olivier (Lord Marchmain) make the sign of the cross as his final, desperate act of submission? I think a lot of people probably DO turn to God on their deathbeds: but make no mistake, it IS just fear - for what can be more frightening than the great unknown.
@27106204 Fear???? If having a conscience is "fear"... I don't think so.. I used to know a fat bastard drug dealer tyrant who loved to kill other peoples children by selling them meth and stuff, who said that he would see if there is a god after he died. Not very long after that he died and the "friends".. Dealers always have a lot of friends, no matter how repulsive they are.. I believe he was even a pedophile child molester.. Anyways, the people around him started worrying...
@27106204 They knew their behaviour was not much different. But hey, many have gone that road. And i think it's much like bad seed in your garden. Those plants don't bear fruit so you pull them out and don't mind to have lost a bit here and there... Yes, it's sick to compare soul with seed. But i really believe that mourning the lost is an honor they do not deserve. In fact one who has no problem with drawing as much fluid from gods eyes as possible in his life doesn't deserve my tears
@27106204 And there are no "borderliners". Those who walked on a tight border of rightiousness and repentance. Those shining examples of rightiousness and compassion, whilst not seriously thinking that there could be a god once in your life. western modern day atheism is REBELLION against all forms of authority. stemming fromt he french revolution. and if you have ever seen cesar milan. It's a pack.... Most atheists don't know why they hate god. All they know is they belong to atheists
@27106204 No better then the little ones in a dog pack. And if you ever seen cesar milan. They bark to dogs from another pack. No godly spirit in them. Only rebellion. Thats why they can't think about the concept of if they may be a god.. It's not impossible... Ohhh if you say that you are no longer in the pack..... A traitor.... Ousted... One who gave in to fear...
@27106204 Having said the preceding. I think your a coward. You dare to tell people that they give in to fear when they have a clear conscience on the moment they know it all ends here and there isn't going to be a party in the after life no matter what they do. They can just as well set their heart to prayer hoping someone hears. And you coward dare tell them they are weaklings and what not just because you've never been in harsh times with death staring into your eyes.
@27106204 So i'll tell you. keep that big mouth running... Tell us all why you belong to your pack. And bark to others. Behave like the stupid animal i compared you to... A dog... And tell me it's an insult.. No, it's not an insult to you... ITS AN INSULT TO THE DOG! Because the dog hasn't got your intelect. If it had it wouldn't eat shit with such a good nose. If it had it wouldn't snif assholes. If it had it wouldn't eat it's own vomit. ANd if it had it wouldn't live in packs.
A religion is sometimes a source of happiness, and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak, not for the strong. The great trouble with religion, any religion, is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak certainty of reason, but one cannot have both.
@plaizure Look, it depends what you are having faith on......... Reason what???? Reason if it is better for you not to hate your parents because they made mistakes during your childhood??? Reason if it is better not to brake any law here or there?? If it is better to love your soul, your body and the body and soul of your fellow man??? (the law is fulfilled in this "Love your fellow man as yourself, and god above all). Oh right..... YOu mean.. some other reason... like????
@plaizure For example, i have faith that hitler existed.. I believe that he exists.. What do i now miss on reason????? I have faith that jesus existed.... What do i miss????? Now i have faith that he is the son of god.. And see all kind of rebellion arises because that has so many implications that although nothing is compromised and NOTHING has changed about your so called reasoning......Because there is accountability... Because you cannot just do whatever you wish.
@plaizure It is not good to harm yourself wether there is a god or not. It is not good to harm others wether there is a god or not. I really don't see what reasoning will do... However when there is no god, then there is no hope.. That means that you exchange real salvation for a life of sin and create your own kind of salvation.. I have friends who do that with meth, cocaine and heroine..... They have their saviour.. It's called drugs.. Others do it in prostitution.. Or crime...
@plaizure But thats for the weak eh....... The weak.. like????? I mean if you truly want to rely on your own strength and not have a loving god to love you and take care of you then go right ahead.. Satan had his own ambitions too.. But hear me when i tell you that he was there all along with open arms. Don't take my word for it.. Just go this road and ask him when you see him. Stay on your road... ANd ask him when you see him. hundreds of millions, no billions have gone that road...
@plaizure It's called the wide gate.... You will be able to talk to him. And i know how full of bla bla most people are. But do you know the implactions if god has payed for your crimes for you and you rejected them to be taken away because you loved sin more then heaven and then you stand before him accusing him he?? Doesn't want to give you heaven??? He wants you in hell??? Everybody who loses his life gives his life over to the destruction in his own free will.
@plaizure But probarbly our generation is so close to jesus' return that most of the worlds population will either die in the coming war or see god with their own eyes and enter the milennial kingdom. So i don't think the warning matters to you, because you are of the lucky generation who is going to enter a thousand years of paradise. It's not for free tho. That booklet tells us about an antichrist who wants to stop god from establishing his kingdom, by trying to destroy all life!
@plaizure So i am fully confident that you can go this way and i'll see you later as a brother if you survive the coming tribulation. Most of these pigs here i will greet as brothers in heaven i bet.... They don't know that yet.. But god is serious about saving life.. You were serious on squandering it.. He was serious on saving life because thats why he created it. To love his children...
@plaizure Ezechiel 38:22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.’
This is what he says.. By destroying satans puppet.. God will reveal himself to many nations.And you can talk to him in jerusalem.
@plaizure Eze 38:19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence.
At my presence means he will be here.. For everyone to talk to him, touch him, interview him. Do carbon dating and whatever scientific test you need. Or proof...
@plaizure Anyways, to recapitulate. I really don't see what we lose... This is some covered up try at a call to repentance. But really god is central to the human heart like a father and a mother, a wife or a brother, sister or friend goes central to the human heart. Gives strength and will to do good. Is good for knowledge and correction. I don't see how loving my father and having faith in him is damaging my "reasoning"... I don't need a father to study how electrons travel silicon.
@plaizure I do need a father however to shine light on my path so i won't stray or fall down. 2 people can help eachother get up. And god more then any person in the world is able to pick you up when you fall because he is god. Now thats for the weak you say.. But i think that whoever trusts in flesh for his salvation is condemned. I believe the 10 commandments tells you that all flesh is cursed.. Because nobody can keep them. BUt you can lie, steal, murder and dishonor your parents
@plaizure You can do all those things the 10 commandments make clear are evil.. And call yourself blessed... Sure.. If thats enough for you. So be it.. I see a world getting darker and darker. People are now even telling us that there can't be a god because there is so much evil.. Seems your doing a great job in saving yourself! THe world is so blessed!
@plaizure Ow yes, and i do call god "lord". Not master or slave owner like allah.. But Lord.. And i look at it this way. My father was my lord when i was young. He ruled over me ONLY to give me structure and help me carry the weight of my own life without having to resort to crime (school) or having rotten teeth(brush them) when i'm old, that i make my bed, wear clean clothes, be polite to people, etc.... Thats what he taught me when he was my lord. Thats what god does with lordship.
@plaizure the father as jesus portrays him is a father first and foremost. So really let us all know how he can conflict with reasoning... By telling you that you cannot hate those whom he loves (your enemies)? By telling you that you cannot waste your life??? By telling you that you cannot rob, steal, plunder and you actualy have to care for eachother?? I mean let me know where reasoning and god conflict and i'll show you a purple elephant... Only if you love sin more then god..
@Alphacaliber Really you should consider moving to north korea, you won't be confronted with too many people who believe some you don't. In fact they are exterminated there. Wether budhist, christian, hindu, whatever the hell.. It's "THE" atheist only paradise on earth! So go pack and leave the free world alone.
@binkiie4dictator Have you ever thought about this: Maybe god wants you to be a furian! It's the same as the judge in court sitting back and taking notes, while smoking a nice shafty cigar and sipping his wiskey now and then while he is being insulted by the criminal.in front of him. Letting him fulfill all his rage without ever ever ever stopping him. Thats what you do when that criminal has broken your compassion towards him.
@binkiie4dictator You might say the criminal can be stronger then the punishment. But you should try that in your own court. Insult the judge. When he fines you 5000 for your first insult he is being compassionate believe me.. He can simply take notes and let you continue your rage and give you the maximum punishment..
@binkiie4dictator I mean i tried that in my rebellious past... And i tell you when god speaks his voice is thunder and when he came down on mount sinaii and gave the law 700.000 people dropped to their knees and begged for god to stop speaking fearing they would die on the spot. At least thats what the bible says.. I can confirm that when you see wasps falling out of thin air, that you fear that putting on a thick jacket won't help. Believe me... Your not furian.
Ofcourse that was giving away a little of what happened to me with the wasps.. “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, 6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
He has really punished me in the past and i've been a real furian like you pretend to be.. But your no more then a fool. Your only a real furian when you actually receive chastening
@binkiie4dictator And i don't believe you really have or you wouldn't talk shit like you do...Did your father have a firm hand when you were young??? Let me tell you god has a hand like no other... When he speaks a single word the heart in your chest burns like hell fire and you crawl on the floor begging for mercy.
@BigMidget06 And your the best example of an idiot. Because to you muslims, budhists and hindu's are christians. Anyone who says the word god is a christian to you it seems....
I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian and it seems you atheists and Western Christians seemed to have forgotten we exist. Our view of God is completely different from yours so all of your claims are silly on both sides to us Eastern Christians. I've read The God Delusion, and that book only addresses the Western Christian view of God. The Eastern Christian God is much different from the Western to the point where you can't even say we worship the same God. We tend to use apophatic theology.
I hate it when fundamentalist Western Christians proselytize to atheists, and then when atheists proselytize to Christians. And what is with the Western Christians who tell atheists that if they weren't atheists, they wouldn't go to Hell. Do these Western Christians realize that atheists don't believe in Hell? And what is with the atheists all of a sudden being evangelicals going around trying to convert Christians to atheist. I find it so annoying when people shove their beliefs down my throat.
I might point out that something you said which often forms part of Christian debate, and that is that you can't prove there is a God and that you have faith he doesn't exist.
It's not that I disagree with you, I also cannot disprove God, but I don't think this inability necessarily implies a leap of faith. It is only by claiming to understand and know the unprovable and unknowable that a leap of faith has been made, which is exactly what the theist does.
@Moofroze... (continued) he's super creative with his words and he sounds RIGHT! but he's not. And neither are you my friend. Lets just say for a minute that im wrong... when I die... so what, I lose nothing! Lets just say for a minute that ur wrong... when you die, you lose... what?! Now, thats not the reason to believe, but its sure as hell a reason to keep searching (lol)
@brendon080909 You're betting on infinity with the "Lets just say for a minute that im wrong... when I die... so what, I lose nothing!" How many different denominations so that the others are going to hell, there are thousands of God concepts that require submission to that one god.
Why do I care about Religion? I'm not sure if you noticed, but dickheads who think that God is on their side poison politics, hinder scientific progress.
@Moofroze.. after years of soul searching....? Why did you quit? Its a life time of searching. The reason your parents taught you about God is because they were taught, and there parents taught them and there parents taught them and so on and so on all the way to Christ. Look I understand that theres Logic behind there being no God. Theres people out the that can literally sell ice to an Alaskan. Great speakers! Just like this guy here in the video! This guy has incredible intellect (cont ^)
Wow... look at all these 'likes to dislikes' I would never had guessed it. Atheism is for sure on the rise. I just dont get it, why are you Atheists so MAD at Christians? If you dont believe you dont believe. So be it. Why the attack? Why the belittling? If I were an Atheist, then I surely wouldn't waste my time talking about God all the time and trying to convince people the he doesn't exist. If anything, the more you Atheist hate, the STRONGER my faith gets...
@brendon080909 Well many atheist were not born in atheist household and given the choice to pick a religion. Instead I like many was born in a christian household and told god was real at a young age. After years of soul searching I found that religion does not make sense and has no clear truth behind it. However the feeling of being lied too for years and constant arguments this has caused in my family has left a sour taste in my mouth for religion. That is my take on it of course.
The people who believe this garbage are the people who havent read the book. I dont know how it is around the world, but here in the US the sheep carry a bible and only open it to reference what the preacher is talking about. Yet they boast that this is divine truth from god. I was a Christian for 22 years then I wanted to see for myself. By time I finished Leviticus I was an atheist. If people really thought the bible was the word of god, they couldnt put it down. Yet they havent read it once.
ranting little squire .. put your head in bottle .. "you know what this guy is a ranting little 80 year who has had a bad life becuase of his SINS SINSINSINS LOL" NOW HES RANTING .. wat an dum ass!
man i wish this guy was my grandpa. it would be so awesome to have such a sharp guy related to me....i can just imagine all the awesome times me and grandpa could have destroying religion and opening up more peoples eyes with logic and reason....love you grandad...
@Xandersreallyrandom because there are only 2.5% of the world that realise that god is a myth and we feel like we're the only sane people in a mental institution. How would you feel if your friends believed in unicorns?
What did Pascal die from, I wonder? The measles? the flu? He lived in the 15-1600s when medical science was so primitive it was almost non-existent, and thus people's life-expectancy was horribly low. That was something the "God" of those times couldn't do anything about, haha. We needed a later God aided by medical ,mostly atheist scientists to fix those problems, dying from the measles or common infections and similar:)
I will never believe in a god one and I believe in our my ancestors and my friends that pass to form me. Heaven and hell is on this planet and his manners what path you wanna take. If you just have love and respect in your heart and you have nothing to fear because we all have to die sometime. god just seemed like a poker bluffing snob to me. If there was a real god we would not have wars.
Yeah Pascals wager... when you believe in God so you don't go to hell, don't forget to also believe in Allah, Buddha, Brahman, Zeus, Thor, Baal, Osiris, etc etc... any one of these deities could condemn your heathen ass to an eternity of hellfire.
@jq747 if you believe in one of them, there's at least a miniscule chance you might be saved and the christian god is the one that's supported by the most historical and scientific evidence by far
What's with the speculative religious spam on this video? One may turn one's head at the sight of a small pool of vomit. Increasing the pool size and calling it a lake does not change the nature of said vomit.
@DuTriDu European jurisprudence has determined that a judgement of value cannot be proven or disproven, but the austrian law for example says that any judgement of value should have a foothold in empirical truths.
So whats the empirircal truth of "SAID VOMIT"?? YOu feel like it... And i will give my life for you to think that my religion is vomit! I will absolutely give my life so that you may NOT BELIEVE!
I'm serious on this..
But amongst polite people you would be chased away.
@DuTriDu And on that i'm serious too. Amongs people who respect eachother (not fascists!) you would absolutely be chased away. So will you fight for my freedom to believe the puke i believe in?? I respect you and i want you to live a happy life, live the best life you possibly could. Be free and use the heart that was given for you to make your own choices. BUT WILL YOU LET ME LIVE MINE??
@DuTriDu Actually you should watch the intolerance of diversity.from pat condell.. What he says there is that he does not want to be confused with you. That he actually is proud of his judeo christian heritage. That he loves to have a bible by his bed. That he demands there will be a christmas tree. That he demands and is proud of what our ancestry left behind for us. And truly he should be.
So should the entire free world, because only in our values
@DuTriDu Only in values where all are equal before god (he has no favorites, no he does not love his believers more then the non believers!!!!!!) Where all are equal before the law.
But true virulent non tolerant fascist atheism is a disease of the mind. And you'll see that it's adherants often stray from the straight path and turn to "superstition"..
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Watch the man, THE ATHEIST, the great general of atheists among atheists. RIchard Dawkins. The dawkins....
@DuTriDu What is he saying??? Some superior being might have put us here, because we are "DESIGNED" so beautiful, complex and majestic??? So godly???
Well i'm sorry Richard Dawkins but your fascist horde should now eat you because you are no more the alpha prime of the pack.... Ow wait.. Unlike salmon rushdies "The satanic verses", you can't claim that satan put those words in your mouth... But you can say you had a bad day eh...
@AndyCielecki I can't seem to get past the fact that you can't lie that there is a santa claus because you're frightening the kids with pedro el negro.
And really the adults are so scared too.. Boo hoo di hoo. Can't you feel the fright and intimidation to all the non believers in santa claus.. Pedro negro is coming to beat you up...
Yes, i'm a christian and this was meant to show you something which you will never admit. You can't fear something you don't believe in.
@AndyCielecki Oh hey, let me make this one thing very clear to you.. As a christian... "if god wanted the world to know who he is and in your 140 year old religion - that he lives".. Then he'd never had hid his face to see what man would do so he can judge them according to their deeds now would he???
And only those that actually love you more then they do themselves.......... SOme people think others aught to........... They will want to put upon themselves the burder of proof
@AndyCielecki Really the first and most obvious thing in life is that 1: GOD IS NOT AROUND TO PROVE WHO HE IS TO THE WORLD! 2: GOD HIMSELF IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT BEING AROUND BECAUSE HE WANTS IT OR HE DOESN'T EXIST.
You tell me, if god wants his identity to remain a secret, who can uncover the secret to you by other means then witnessing? Can you go up to heaven and bring god down for us to see him???
Even if we were all angels standing in front of gods throne it'd be unprovable.
@AndyCielecki hence the reason why satan even tried his rebellion. Because you siply cannot go where he lives, which is outside any constraint or dimension.
@AndyCielecki Btw, have you EVER EVER EVER EVER!!!!! EEEEE VVV EEEE RRRRR seen anyone afraid he was going to hell?? I bet such a person would be either thrown into a mental institute, because all i've seen is faith making people EXTREMELY EXTREEEEEMELY happy. Secondly if EVER a priest was to see such a person he couldn't help him but pump his brain full of medicine. If he'd ask for forgiveness he'd be forgiven.... Is he saying he doesn't know how to repent??
@AndyCielecki But this is always ALWAYS ALWAYS AAAAALWAAAAYYSSSS A-L-W-A-Y-S used as ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! argument to ridicule the christian faith. That to be forgiven you actaully have to want to be forgiven and hence "ASK"...
Well too bad then.. If you love sin more then you care for your life then don't take that life which you don't take seriously as an excuse to attack god.
@AndyCielecki And in fact IF YOU EVER EVEEEERRR EEEEVVVEEERRRRR want proof that god exists and that he is the god of the christans then take this warning from me.. The proof is that he can live without all those who don't want him around. That he does not put a sword to your neck like allah. He told his followers that before the end there would be a huge falling away. And there'd be a falling away (within his own people ofcourse). Meaning he is the underdog and loving it!
@itchygonads Your right.. I'm in a pig sty... Too bad.. Seemed the movie was asking for a debate. But it's not.. It's another "You are stupid to believe as you do and i'm smart and ubermensch and we need to exterminate all that do not believe as us fascist bullshit"...
And really a decent person like me should talk to a hog like you or i get dirty. It's that simple.. Play with good footballers and you have a beautiful game. Play with pigs and the game is a horror. So goodbye hog.
@itchygonads Oh you want proof god doesn't exist? Wait... you can't prove something DOESN'T exist... I could just as simply ask someone to prove that an invisible unicorn that holds up the moon doesn't exist. No way to prove it.
I've got it! Since you're sure god exists, why don't you prove he DOES exist? That's easier. I can prove this lemon exists, I can hold it in my hand.
Go ahead, we'll wait. Prove away...
What's that? You decline but still insist inviso-deity is real? How convenient!
@AndyCielecki It's almost as stupid as thinking the judge absolutely cannot convict someone for his crimes. You see, maybe god doesn't want to..... But when you insist he will. The same as any human judge. YOu cannot escape their clutches what makes you think you can escap his?
@AndyCielecki As soon as someone fears hell he admits to have done something wrong, the second step is feeling regret and asking for forgiveness. But as soon as someone realises he has done something wrong he can no more fear hell.
For this is the judgement: That the seeing shall be blind and the blind shall see. As soon as you cross the barrier your in another dimension. And you cannot cross the barrier halfway. One cannot fear hell based on biblical truths. You can only be happy
@AndyCielecki The only fear that is possible based on biblical truths is the fear that those whom you love might be lost. And the bible is clear on that. Whoever loves his father, mother, brother, sister, son or daughter more then he does god is not worthy of god. Meaning if you're planning on going to hell with them (which you cannot fear because that means stopping to believe in a hell altogether, not realising your doing wrong) then you're not worthy of him who loved them too.
@goppel1 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
@ZombineVelancious i'm sorry but i need that much space to open the mind. Not to trick the mind into stepping into another arena, but to actualy open it. If i do my best to do a short question i will probarbly end up rewriting all that i formerly wrote.
@ZombineVelancious THe everlasting argument for "not believing" is that i won't believe because faith thrives on the threat of damnation. And hence faith lives only on fear.
I said what i said about it, which is that unless you believe you cannot fear. YOu can't fear what you don't believe in. So faith corrects those who believe, not those who don't. If your a mass murderer without faith don't tell me you fear hell, you don't.
@ZombineVelancious You'd only be sure that if there'd be a heaven you'd not be found there. Easy as that..
But besides that little lie for the sake of a ridiculing argument... I told you you need to get that mind open because most of the debates are "you are stupid for believing what you believe". And don't go much deeper then that.
@ZombineVelancious In fact there is no way to do a short version.. In fact i have done the short version already i believe. In any attempt i will only stretch the matter. So if you will not open your mind then don't answer it. THere are enough people who love to hurl insults at you and see them flung back. But i think this is a question which people need to answer. ANd there's no fast food version for it.. Sorry.
@ZombineVelancious I told that not all religions are the same... Not all gods are the same. So if Pat is referring to allah then i agree with him completely. But the god i believe in, which is the god the bible refers to. The one who put his son on a cross to make him pay for the sins of all who want to live forever and who could have payed for the sins of all humanity if only they wanted heaven too. It's an open door and the only way NOT TO GO IN IS TO NOT GO IN BY YOUR OWN!
@ZombineVelancious I believe that the free will part and the having died on a cross gives the single sided declaration of love. The fact that all you need to do is to put your feet across the border of the doorstep and your in........
It shows how untrue the statement is. There is no fear. There is no abuse. There is no taking of the free will or pushing anyone. In fact it's a ridicule of the human mind to say you can make someone believe in something by force or fear.
@ZombineVelancious Maybe a short version is: WHy is having faith wrong.. ANd why is not having faith the right thing to do? Because this video is just another you are stupid to have faith without arguments. But a story of threat which is untrue because you can't fear what you ABSOLUTELY DON"T BELIEVE IN!
@chriss179 "WHy is having faith wrong.. ANd why is not having faith the right thing to do?"
"Faith" is a synonym for "belief without evidence." It's much better to believe in things based on evidence. Believing in far-fetched things based on no evidence at all is moronic. That's what religious people do, they believe in things that are not based on evidence.
@cornflakeclusters It is indeed better to believe in things based on evidence. But when for example you don't know your wife, your father or your childs actions then you'll have to have faith that they do as they say and say as they do. Faith, when you see a man raising the dead, walking on water, changing water into wine, healing the blind, cripple. And then raising himself from the dead after 3 days, is not so much in if he exists.... But in if he truly keeps his promises.
@cornflakeclusters See it's a position in which man has put himself... We now die like dogs and god lets us. All the while he is letting us know he loves us. That is a very shitty position to be in.. But one man has brought upon himself.
An example. If you betray your wife and go adulterous, you'll have to trust her word when she says she forgives you, but does not want to sleep with you the year after and you will have to keep faithful or lose her. The same goes with god.
@cornflakeclusters God died like a dog on the cross to forgive us. We die like dogs to take hold of the hand he stretched out to us in faith the he keeps hold of it while we die like dogs too... We battle with pain. We battle with insecurity. We battle with lots of things and all the while we keep faith that he loves us like he promised. And that he is going to make things anew and wipe those tears off our face...
faith that he exists is solved after raising a couple of dead.
@cornflakeclusters I know it's wrong for you to battle with pain and insecurity, for example for living in a loveless world.. It's better if you become a serial killer, murderer, robber, thief, prostitute, drug addict, then to actually have faith in a gods love for your soul and have faith in the day he is going to wipe those tears off your face.. But to actually rightious people this faith in a loving god is actually a virtue.... And this asking for proof is actually EVIL.
@cornflakeclusters Asking for proof in a loving god means doing drugs, doing prostitution, doing all the nasty stuff and sayiong nobody can prove to me that there is a good lord above who loves me.. nothing matters.. Noone can judge me for giving away my soul and letting my life slip thru my fingers... It's actually evil to destroy your own soul by your own choice. And then insisting it was the good thing to do.
@cornflakeclusters Understand this.... Jesus died on the frikking cross and did every miracle imaginable. In fact i'd go as far as to say that jesus CONSTANTLY said ONLY that he is god and he constantly proved it by doing all kinds of supernatural things that only god could do, like making limbs grow back, raising the dead, confronting the forces of nature and laws of the universe.... next reply..
@cornflakeclusters Why would a person that did the preceding. Miracle after miracle and claim after claim that he came to save people, then die for them.. Why would a person who gave his life to be butchered then go on to refuse to let people know that he actually exists?? I mean isn't that why he did everything he did??? Why scream all day that your the saviour and then refuse to let them know that.... Your the saviour???? God??? Do you get the contradiction???
@cornflakeclusters That contradiction did not come from him.. Rather it came from you who never cared to ask for anything to him, while claiming that he never answers. What kind of a logic is that????? If he died for me then what kind of a fool is he if i can't get any answers when i ask him for anything??
peace ;)
therealluckystrik3r 8 hours ago
submitting to god is not the same as submitting to religion!
WOLVOMAN80 9 hours ago
You right I have been told this many times at the end of a failed argument. Pascals Wager fails miserably, atheists don't buy into this crap. First they have to prove without a doubt that in fact hell exists, which has never happened. If hell is real, where the Hell is it then?
1991stratplus 13 hours ago
In the end we all shall know? is God a hoax or is he the truth. Or pehaps dead
people are,nt able to know anything? accept a dark and empty vacuum. If you
dont need God then your free to be your own god.But if you do need God then
you must Obey! or be sent to hell for not doing so. Amen.
globehunter2 1 day ago
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@globehunter2 Obeying god???? Thou shalt not covet? Thou shalt not kill?? Thou shalt not steal? Thou shalt not give false testimony? Thou shalt love the lord thy god? I mean what is obeying?? Nobody has ever obeyed one law! No... There are a couple of claiming gods. Budha, shiva, allah, and YHWH. And there are some tribal gods in afrika and india. But according to the christian god being holy is knowing him. Knowing him means "trying" to live like he wants.
chriss179 1 day ago
@globehunter2 And that means that you need to declare a truth that is true for the poor bum on the street as well as the king. For the one who is locked up for his faith in soletary isolation for 20 years in communist russia as well as one living the life of a movie star in hollywood. The biblical truth is that god is love. Meaning he is stronger then your weakness and jesus died for your sins. And god looks at the heart. He does not look as humans do to accomplishment and such.
chriss179 1 day ago
@chriss179 I'm greatful to God for sacrificing himself to himself to get himself to forgive humanity of the sins that he cursed us with (which he is unwilling or unable to cure, which furthermore is impossible because then he wouldn't be God - See the contradiction?)
If you, or anyone, truly listened and comprehended what Pat said in this video, you wouldn't be theist, and most certainly not Christian - but you can't do that, because you've made a virtue out of narrow-mindedness and ignorance.
porrsmurfen 1 day ago
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@porrsmurfen Let me make this one very clear to you. Do your kings or presidents "cure" the criminals??? Yes they do... That is, they cure the sin by punishment. God does that also.. Thats a gift of grace he gives to those whom he loves. I believe your kings do that also, judges are an extension to the ruling authority (wether king or president) And executioner are also an extension of the king. Same goes with god. But they also cleanse the land. Thats when they no longer love you.
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@chriss179 Btw, can you tell me "god sacrifices himself to himself to??? get Himself????"... I don't know what it means... But who do your kings or presidents sacrifice when you commit a crime??? Themselves??? And after you received that sacrifice, prison or death..... Do they forgive you because of that sacrifice???
I really don't think you're getting the point. Keep looking at yourself and your elected president or king.... Look at your own laws... There is little to take away.
chriss179 19 hours ago
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@chriss179 I'll try to answer this myself because i don't really see the ability to discern in you....
When jesus died he carried away my death sentence (no more hell for me yay!). Had i received that death sentence myself, god would not have forgiven me, nor does he forgive me because jesus received that death sentence.. He forgave me because i "ASKED HIM TO" and "SHOWED REPENTANCE". Stopped laughing and cried over what i have done. Looked back on my life as he does.
chriss179 19 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen GOd does that by scrapping your name from the book of life. Thats called the capital punishment. And kings do that to their enemies too.. I believe the allied did that to alot of japanese and to alot of germans and italians a little while ago. But also in peace time it happens. Just on a smaller scale.
Thats the cure you were looking for.
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen Then there is your own part which you are not willing to do. but thats why kings love their own and kill the enemy.. That is called repentance. That means that you actually confess your sin (i believe he was pictured crucified to me, meaning god has already forgiven everything, all you need to do is pin it to his broken body and you can have faith thats where your sin was cast). and ask god to cast your sin away. And for the heroes among us, accept whats coming!
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen I don't believe a rightious god will "cure" you for murdering my son, by "curing" whatever is wrong in your head and that takes care of it, you can go on and enjoy life while my heart is cut out of my chest. So that means that no matter how hard you repent, YOU WILL GET WHATS COMING TO YOU! That you nor anyone else might think that killing is a good thing, no matter how much god "cured" you. Salvation is process of stages. 1 stage is where you suffer what you have done
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen Thats the part of being rightious. ANd if you think that is a contradiction in gods head then tell me how your king deals with murderers and thieves. Tell me and let us reason. When you opened your eyes you came into a reality. Thats where things matter. When your doing computer games, you can chainsaw people to death. But in reality you will suffer the consequences. GOd is not your little bitch to die for you and take those consequences away by "curing" you..
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen You should listen for once when they keep saying that god is king of kings, lord of lords and he is king over all the earth. And you should ask yourself what does my king do for my country. What does he mean for his people??
1: LAW!
2: LAW!
3: LAW!
4: LAW!
5: LAW!
Just like your father means LAW! LAW! LAW! LAW! LAW!
Thats why the french revolution sparked a generation of atheism. "LIBERTE, FRATERNITE, EGALISE!" - the LIBERTE part is atheism... End of monarchies.
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen And the french revolution did just that. Bring the ruling power to the people.. I truly believe thats where it belonged all along. Not with church or monarchy. But the president didn't change the law of the land to allow murder or theft. Nor did jesus teach "HIS DISCIPLES" to establish some kind of kingdom on earth where we subject people to his worship.. Like constantin did in rome. Or like the inquisitin did in the holy roman empire.
chriss179 20 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen Europe and america are pagan. They worshipped zeus. Why do we see those westerner movies about cowboys shooting eachother? THe wild west?? Because thats what europe and america the european colony are... Pagan tribes. Let them live with their pagan kings and presidents or senate! Jesus tought that his disciples will be part of the holy people of israel. Because jesus = king of the jews. When you pledge allegiance to him........ I'm sorry... But thats what it means.
chriss179 19 hours ago
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@porrsmurfen Anyways, i regress... You can talk bullshit on how god needs to "cure" you for being a pig.... I'm telling you he is the great healer. He told the chief pharisees: The sick need a healer, not the rightious! Jesus didn't die for the rightious.. There is nothing to heal in them.
chriss179 19 hours ago
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@globehunter2 Meaning there is salvation for the murderer and the prostitute.. Jesus told as much when he told the pharisees that the traitors (jewish tax collectors for rome) and the prostitutes would enter the kingdom of heaven before the pharisees (the religious elite of that time). Because they understood that the key to heaven is the forgiveness of sin. While the elite thought that the key to heaven is living rightiousness and keeping the law. And prostitutes don't do that eh.
chriss179 1 day ago
I thought this video was from a creationists point of view until I saw the positive ratings :P
Miltzi001 1 day ago
This guy has such a twisted, distorted version of religion. I think he was sexually abused by a priest. You take the most negative aspects blow them full out of proportion and try to make religion about repression rather than freedom, truly bizarre. Anyhow when you come close to death, whether you like it or not, whether there is Jaws music or not you WILL experience fear and, yes, you will see there is an after life and feel utterly stupid. I just hope those listening to you won't be so.
PabloPena108 1 day ago
@PabloPena108 ermm religion is about repression and creating fear in order to get obedience in return. What does religion have to do with freedom? Apart from trying to eliminate it.
kgarvey68 1 day ago
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@kgarvey68 Religion is not one big cooking pot. And speaking about islam. Yes, it exists only to create slaves to allah. Slaves to his will. Period. Christianity exists to eliminate slavery and bring man back to freedom. If you think "freedom" means the freedom to do evil and get away with it, then don't think that religion only does this. Religion only shifts the power from the people (who are not one) to god (who should always be the same and who is one). Even your judges punish sin
chriss179 1 day ago
@kgarvey68 I think that stealing is slavery. That drug abuse is slavery. Alcohol is slavery. That crime is slavery. Slavery to jealousy, hatred, drinking and all kinds of uncleansiness. Christianity is there to get people out of that prison of evil and bring them back to a life of self respect and love. Of respect for others. Respect and love for life itself. Now you don't think that is freedom, but prostitution is??? Then you are the shining example of why atheism is so popular today
chriss179 1 day ago
@chriss179 I'm sorry but if you truly believe what you say then you are too far deluded to possibly be brought back into reality.
kgarvey68 1 day ago
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@kgarvey68 If i believe that stealing is slavery?? That prostitution is slavery?? That gluttony is slavery? Or that jealousy is slavery? That sloth is slavery? I don't know what your father tried to teach you during your youth, but if you think that i need to be brought back into some kind of reality where prostitution is freedom and repentance is slavery then by god you go and live your "freedom" to the max.. I'll actually honor god with my body and my soul. You reap what you sow.
chriss179 1 day ago
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@kgarvey68 If i believe that...... You know what... You can roll around in your filth all day long for all i care. Abuse your body. Abuse women, abuse men. Abuse animals... Then as the filthy sow that you are never be washed clean and be rejected for eternal life. And all the security that you will have is 1: No matter if there is a heaven or not. You'll never enter.
chriss179 1 day ago
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@kgarvey68 Really pigs have such a big mouth.. I believe there isn't an animal in the world which has more audacity then a pig. But you do need very big audacity to stand in the light of day and claim that living a rightious life with self respect and respect for others is less then living without any dignity for yourself or any respect for others. Telling the world that evil is freedom and virtue is slavery.
You know... I'm mocking you and your unrelenting in your stupidity.
chriss179 1 day ago
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@kgarvey68 Even claiming that i need to be brought back to "reality"....... Brought back to swinery?? Brought back to filth??? Brought back to???? Injustice?? I'm not accustomed that the rightious repent and start to do evil. I'm accustomed that the wicked repent and give up their wicked ways and start living virtuous. But thats just me.... And the reality we all were born into.
chriss179 1 day ago
@PabloPena108 I feel so sorry for you...
S4ukk0 1 day ago
@PabloPena108 Please, just get off this video. You don't belong here ahaha
destinystruth 1 day ago
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@destinystruth And here come the swine again. Lets just face it... Pat Condell is a great speaker and intelligent thinker. but he keeps putting himself in the middle of the pig sty. Maybe because at any given time in history the majority of people are ignorant and closed minded fools.. And if you want exaltation by the masses (and he as an eloquent thinker seems to)then you'l have to steal their hearts. But thats the wide gate where many go. When the blind are leading the blind...
chriss179 1 day ago
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@destinystruth But hey, history has many names that have been forgotten. And from the pig sty not one name will be forgotten. Like the grass of yesterday they go and are forgotten.
chriss179 1 day ago
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@destinystruth You know of all the animals in the animal kingdom there is only one who will face the king head on. That is the pig.(watch?v=sLqgekTQbqk)
This is not just coincidence. This is because pigs have their uncleansiness and the king has laws. Thats why the pig tells the one preaching that bad things ought to be given up because god loves us and created us to be his children and sons of god don't belong in the mud pool... They are attacked, told to fuck off.. Get out!
chriss179 1 day ago
@destinystruth Well I guess you really want me here since you know saying that will only make me stay longer! But I absolve you of your ignorance. Go and repent.
PabloPena108 18 hours ago
Waugh (a Catholic convert, of course) tried to sell us this in Brideshead Revisited. Who remembers a then aged Olivier (Lord Marchmain) make the sign of the cross as his final, desperate act of submission? I think a lot of people probably DO turn to God on their deathbeds: but make no mistake, it IS just fear - for what can be more frightening than the great unknown.
27106204 2 days ago
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@27106204 Fear???? If having a conscience is "fear"... I don't think so.. I used to know a fat bastard drug dealer tyrant who loved to kill other peoples children by selling them meth and stuff, who said that he would see if there is a god after he died. Not very long after that he died and the "friends".. Dealers always have a lot of friends, no matter how repulsive they are.. I believe he was even a pedophile child molester.. Anyways, the people around him started worrying...
chriss179 1 day ago
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@27106204 They knew their behaviour was not much different. But hey, many have gone that road. And i think it's much like bad seed in your garden. Those plants don't bear fruit so you pull them out and don't mind to have lost a bit here and there... Yes, it's sick to compare soul with seed. But i really believe that mourning the lost is an honor they do not deserve. In fact one who has no problem with drawing as much fluid from gods eyes as possible in his life doesn't deserve my tears
chriss179 1 day ago
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@27106204 And there are no "borderliners". Those who walked on a tight border of rightiousness and repentance. Those shining examples of rightiousness and compassion, whilst not seriously thinking that there could be a god once in your life. western modern day atheism is REBELLION against all forms of authority. stemming fromt he french revolution. and if you have ever seen cesar milan. It's a pack.... Most atheists don't know why they hate god. All they know is they belong to atheists
chriss179 1 day ago
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@27106204 No better then the little ones in a dog pack. And if you ever seen cesar milan. They bark to dogs from another pack. No godly spirit in them. Only rebellion. Thats why they can't think about the concept of if they may be a god.. It's not impossible... Ohhh if you say that you are no longer in the pack..... A traitor.... Ousted... One who gave in to fear...
Or simply one who opened his mind...
chriss179 1 day ago
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@27106204 Having said the preceding. I think your a coward. You dare to tell people that they give in to fear when they have a clear conscience on the moment they know it all ends here and there isn't going to be a party in the after life no matter what they do. They can just as well set their heart to prayer hoping someone hears. And you coward dare tell them they are weaklings and what not just because you've never been in harsh times with death staring into your eyes.
chriss179 1 day ago
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@27106204 So i'll tell you. keep that big mouth running... Tell us all why you belong to your pack. And bark to others. Behave like the stupid animal i compared you to... A dog... And tell me it's an insult.. No, it's not an insult to you... ITS AN INSULT TO THE DOG! Because the dog hasn't got your intelect. If it had it wouldn't eat shit with such a good nose. If it had it wouldn't snif assholes. If it had it wouldn't eat it's own vomit. ANd if it had it wouldn't live in packs.
chriss179 1 day ago
A religion is sometimes a source of happiness, and I would not deprive anyone of happiness. But it is a comfort appropriate for the weak, not for the strong. The great trouble with religion, any religion, is that a religionist, having accepted certain propositions by faith, cannot thereafter judge those propositions by evidence. One may bask at the warm fire of faith or choose to live in the bleak certainty of reason, but one cannot have both.
plaizure 3 days ago
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@plaizure Look, it depends what you are having faith on......... Reason what???? Reason if it is better for you not to hate your parents because they made mistakes during your childhood??? Reason if it is better not to brake any law here or there?? If it is better to love your soul, your body and the body and soul of your fellow man??? (the law is fulfilled in this "Love your fellow man as yourself, and god above all). Oh right..... YOu mean.. some other reason... like????
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure For example, i have faith that hitler existed.. I believe that he exists.. What do i now miss on reason????? I have faith that jesus existed.... What do i miss????? Now i have faith that he is the son of god.. And see all kind of rebellion arises because that has so many implications that although nothing is compromised and NOTHING has changed about your so called reasoning......Because there is accountability... Because you cannot just do whatever you wish.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure It is not good to harm yourself wether there is a god or not. It is not good to harm others wether there is a god or not. I really don't see what reasoning will do... However when there is no god, then there is no hope.. That means that you exchange real salvation for a life of sin and create your own kind of salvation.. I have friends who do that with meth, cocaine and heroine..... They have their saviour.. It's called drugs.. Others do it in prostitution.. Or crime...
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure But thats for the weak eh....... The weak.. like????? I mean if you truly want to rely on your own strength and not have a loving god to love you and take care of you then go right ahead.. Satan had his own ambitions too.. But hear me when i tell you that he was there all along with open arms. Don't take my word for it.. Just go this road and ask him when you see him. Stay on your road... ANd ask him when you see him. hundreds of millions, no billions have gone that road...
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure It's called the wide gate.... You will be able to talk to him. And i know how full of bla bla most people are. But do you know the implactions if god has payed for your crimes for you and you rejected them to be taken away because you loved sin more then heaven and then you stand before him accusing him he?? Doesn't want to give you heaven??? He wants you in hell??? Everybody who loses his life gives his life over to the destruction in his own free will.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure But probarbly our generation is so close to jesus' return that most of the worlds population will either die in the coming war or see god with their own eyes and enter the milennial kingdom. So i don't think the warning matters to you, because you are of the lucky generation who is going to enter a thousand years of paradise. It's not for free tho. That booklet tells us about an antichrist who wants to stop god from establishing his kingdom, by trying to destroy all life!
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure So i am fully confident that you can go this way and i'll see you later as a brother if you survive the coming tribulation. Most of these pigs here i will greet as brothers in heaven i bet.... They don't know that yet.. But god is serious about saving life.. You were serious on squandering it.. He was serious on saving life because thats why he created it. To love his children...
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure Ezechiel 38:22 I will execute judgment on him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.’
This is what he says.. By destroying satans puppet.. God will reveal himself to many nations.And you can talk to him in jerusalem.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure Eze 38:19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence.
At my presence means he will be here.. For everyone to talk to him, touch him, interview him. Do carbon dating and whatever scientific test you need. Or proof...
chriss179 3 days ago
@plaizure Anyways, to recapitulate. I really don't see what we lose... This is some covered up try at a call to repentance. But really god is central to the human heart like a father and a mother, a wife or a brother, sister or friend goes central to the human heart. Gives strength and will to do good. Is good for knowledge and correction. I don't see how loving my father and having faith in him is damaging my "reasoning"... I don't need a father to study how electrons travel silicon.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure I do need a father however to shine light on my path so i won't stray or fall down. 2 people can help eachother get up. And god more then any person in the world is able to pick you up when you fall because he is god. Now thats for the weak you say.. But i think that whoever trusts in flesh for his salvation is condemned. I believe the 10 commandments tells you that all flesh is cursed.. Because nobody can keep them. BUt you can lie, steal, murder and dishonor your parents
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure You can do all those things the 10 commandments make clear are evil.. And call yourself blessed... Sure.. If thats enough for you. So be it.. I see a world getting darker and darker. People are now even telling us that there can't be a god because there is so much evil.. Seems your doing a great job in saving yourself! THe world is so blessed!
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure Ow yes, and i do call god "lord". Not master or slave owner like allah.. But Lord.. And i look at it this way. My father was my lord when i was young. He ruled over me ONLY to give me structure and help me carry the weight of my own life without having to resort to crime (school) or having rotten teeth(brush them) when i'm old, that i make my bed, wear clean clothes, be polite to people, etc.... Thats what he taught me when he was my lord. Thats what god does with lordship.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@plaizure the father as jesus portrays him is a father first and foremost. So really let us all know how he can conflict with reasoning... By telling you that you cannot hate those whom he loves (your enemies)? By telling you that you cannot waste your life??? By telling you that you cannot rob, steal, plunder and you actualy have to care for eachother?? I mean let me know where reasoning and god conflict and i'll show you a purple elephant... Only if you love sin more then god..
chriss179 3 days ago
Spam spam spam spam and more spam from Chriss, That's religion for ya!
Alphacaliber 3 days ago
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@Alphacaliber Really you should consider moving to north korea, you won't be confronted with too many people who believe some you don't. In fact they are exterminated there. Wether budhist, christian, hindu, whatever the hell.. It's "THE" atheist only paradise on earth! So go pack and leave the free world alone.
chriss179 3 days ago
I am a Furian. Your Gods bow before me and my kin long before we will ever submit our spirits to servitude
binkiie4dictator 3 days ago
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@binkiie4dictator Have you ever thought about this: Maybe god wants you to be a furian! It's the same as the judge in court sitting back and taking notes, while smoking a nice shafty cigar and sipping his wiskey now and then while he is being insulted by the criminal.in front of him. Letting him fulfill all his rage without ever ever ever stopping him. Thats what you do when that criminal has broken your compassion towards him.
chriss179 2 days ago
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@binkiie4dictator You might say the criminal can be stronger then the punishment. But you should try that in your own court. Insult the judge. When he fines you 5000 for your first insult he is being compassionate believe me.. He can simply take notes and let you continue your rage and give you the maximum punishment..
chriss179 2 days ago
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@binkiie4dictator I mean i tried that in my rebellious past... And i tell you when god speaks his voice is thunder and when he came down on mount sinaii and gave the law 700.000 people dropped to their knees and begged for god to stop speaking fearing they would die on the spot. At least thats what the bible says.. I can confirm that when you see wasps falling out of thin air, that you fear that putting on a thick jacket won't help. Believe me... Your not furian.
chriss179 2 days ago
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Ofcourse that was giving away a little of what happened to me with the wasps.. “My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, 6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.”
He has really punished me in the past and i've been a real furian like you pretend to be.. But your no more then a fool. Your only a real furian when you actually receive chastening
chriss179 2 days ago
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@binkiie4dictator And i don't believe you really have or you wouldn't talk shit like you do...Did your father have a firm hand when you were young??? Let me tell you god has a hand like no other... When he speaks a single word the heart in your chest burns like hell fire and you crawl on the floor begging for mercy.
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binkiie4dictator 3 days ago
Very nice. I wish Pat would do more videos like this instead of all the anti-islam bullshit he does these days.
MajinVegeto89 3 days ago
The premise of Pascal's wager is invalid. There are more than one religion, many, if not all of them, are mutually exclusive.
solitdude 4 days ago
Ultimate stupidity...go hang yourself
Targoos 4 days ago
@Targoos says someone who belives in a imaginary friend
ItsTheNabica 4 days ago
@Targoos thats very chistian of you. you are a shining example of what people should see christians as. good people who turned into monstrous fools.
BigMidget06 2 days ago
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@BigMidget06 And your the best example of an idiot. Because to you muslims, budhists and hindu's are christians. Anyone who says the word god is a christian to you it seems....
chriss179 2 days ago
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@BigMidget06 In fact last time i checked christians don't say إن شاء الله
chriss179 2 days ago
I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian and it seems you atheists and Western Christians seemed to have forgotten we exist. Our view of God is completely different from yours so all of your claims are silly on both sides to us Eastern Christians. I've read The God Delusion, and that book only addresses the Western Christian view of God. The Eastern Christian God is much different from the Western to the point where you can't even say we worship the same God. We tend to use apophatic theology.
magnus56j 4 days ago
I hate it when fundamentalist Western Christians proselytize to atheists, and then when atheists proselytize to Christians. And what is with the Western Christians who tell atheists that if they weren't atheists, they wouldn't go to Hell. Do these Western Christians realize that atheists don't believe in Hell? And what is with the atheists all of a sudden being evangelicals going around trying to convert Christians to atheist. I find it so annoying when people shove their beliefs down my throat.
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AdamHimself69 4 days ago
Great video!
I might point out that something you said which often forms part of Christian debate, and that is that you can't prove there is a God and that you have faith he doesn't exist.
It's not that I disagree with you, I also cannot disprove God, but I don't think this inability necessarily implies a leap of faith. It is only by claiming to understand and know the unprovable and unknowable that a leap of faith has been made, which is exactly what the theist does.
TheBrettBretterson 4 days ago
@Moofroze... (continued) he's super creative with his words and he sounds RIGHT! but he's not. And neither are you my friend. Lets just say for a minute that im wrong... when I die... so what, I lose nothing! Lets just say for a minute that ur wrong... when you die, you lose... what?! Now, thats not the reason to believe, but its sure as hell a reason to keep searching (lol)
brendon080909 4 days ago
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@brendon080909 You're betting on infinity with the "Lets just say for a minute that im wrong... when I die... so what, I lose nothing!" How many different denominations so that the others are going to hell, there are thousands of God concepts that require submission to that one god.
Why do I care about Religion? I'm not sure if you noticed, but dickheads who think that God is on their side poison politics, hinder scientific progress.
TheAsymmetrical 4 days ago
@Moofroze.. after years of soul searching....? Why did you quit? Its a life time of searching. The reason your parents taught you about God is because they were taught, and there parents taught them and there parents taught them and so on and so on all the way to Christ. Look I understand that theres Logic behind there being no God. Theres people out the that can literally sell ice to an Alaskan. Great speakers! Just like this guy here in the video! This guy has incredible intellect (cont ^)
brendon080909 4 days ago
Wow... look at all these 'likes to dislikes' I would never had guessed it. Atheism is for sure on the rise. I just dont get it, why are you Atheists so MAD at Christians? If you dont believe you dont believe. So be it. Why the attack? Why the belittling? If I were an Atheist, then I surely wouldn't waste my time talking about God all the time and trying to convince people the he doesn't exist. If anything, the more you Atheist hate, the STRONGER my faith gets...
brendon080909 5 days ago
@brendon080909 Well many atheist were not born in atheist household and given the choice to pick a religion. Instead I like many was born in a christian household and told god was real at a young age. After years of soul searching I found that religion does not make sense and has no clear truth behind it. However the feeling of being lied too for years and constant arguments this has caused in my family has left a sour taste in my mouth for religion. That is my take on it of course.
MOOFROZE 4 days ago
@MOOFROZE My grammar is awful :)
MOOFROZE 4 days ago
The people who believe this garbage are the people who havent read the book. I dont know how it is around the world, but here in the US the sheep carry a bible and only open it to reference what the preacher is talking about. Yet they boast that this is divine truth from god. I was a Christian for 22 years then I wanted to see for myself. By time I finished Leviticus I was an atheist. If people really thought the bible was the word of god, they couldnt put it down. Yet they havent read it once.
autopsy87 5 days ago
ranting little squire .. put your head in bottle .. "you know what this guy is a ranting little 80 year who has had a bad life becuase of his SINS SINSINSINS LOL" NOW HES RANTING .. wat an dum ass!
ShineCity711 5 days ago
man i wish this guy was my grandpa. it would be so awesome to have such a sharp guy related to me....i can just imagine all the awesome times me and grandpa could have destroying religion and opening up more peoples eyes with logic and reason....love you grandad...
solomon12366 6 days ago
I wonder why Athiest are trying to get rid of Religion is really does hurt me.
Xandersreallyrandom 1 week ago
@Xandersreallyrandom What good does religion do completely on its own that makes up for all the evil it creates?
auroraman56 1 week ago
@Xandersreallyrandom because there are only 2.5% of the world that realise that god is a myth and we feel like we're the only sane people in a mental institution. How would you feel if your friends believed in unicorns?
dedokta 1 week ago
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@dedokta Hope you know "unicorns" in the bible is a rhino It's a species that was extinct years ago. Do your research.
Xandersreallyrandom 6 days ago
You sir, have got yourself one more subscriber :)
zangetsu2k8 1 week ago
What did Pascal die from, I wonder? The measles? the flu? He lived in the 15-1600s when medical science was so primitive it was almost non-existent, and thus people's life-expectancy was horribly low. That was something the "God" of those times couldn't do anything about, haha. We needed a later God aided by medical ,mostly atheist scientists to fix those problems, dying from the measles or common infections and similar:)
winterstellar 1 week ago 3
Brilliant. I loved what you said, and is exactly what it's all about. Respect, submission, through fear of the ultimatum.
Bllackguard666 1 week ago
I will never believe in a god one and I believe in our my ancestors and my friends that pass to form me. Heaven and hell is on this planet and his manners what path you wanna take. If you just have love and respect in your heart and you have nothing to fear because we all have to die sometime. god just seemed like a poker bluffing snob to me. If there was a real god we would not have wars.
sonofatiger 1 week ago
Yeah Pascals wager... when you believe in God so you don't go to hell, don't forget to also believe in Allah, Buddha, Brahman, Zeus, Thor, Baal, Osiris, etc etc... any one of these deities could condemn your heathen ass to an eternity of hellfire.
jq747 2 weeks ago
@jq747 if you believe in one of them, there's at least a miniscule chance you might be saved and the christian god is the one that's supported by the most historical and scientific evidence by far
Diosukekun 1 week ago
@Diosukekun
christianity is supported by no more evidence than any religion, its faith. fact
there are many gods far more likely that are logically possible
NefariousVirtuoso88 6 days ago
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@jq747
buddha wasn't a god. he was just a teacher.
defiantwon33 1 week ago
I can't understand this.
RobertoLozanoB 2 weeks ago
@RobertoLozanoB lol@you.
Nethertar 2 weeks ago
@RobertoLozanoB You can have it translated to spanish, just push that CC button and find it.: )
winterstellar 1 week ago
@patcondell well said... favourited...peace!
azmanabdula 2 weeks ago
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MrNicMachiavelli 2 weeks ago
Excellent video and I absolutely love how well you articulate your points. Pure poetry.
MrNicMachiavelli 2 weeks ago 10
Pat Condel is a cold, cold, cold, soulest mother fucker. You can see him shapeshifting @ 0:58
Drahgoon 2 weeks ago
You seem to be a little fanatic over your atheism :/ But you have good points here.
DarkMind95 3 weeks ago
What's with the speculative religious spam on this video? One may turn one's head at the sight of a small pool of vomit. Increasing the pool size and calling it a lake does not change the nature of said vomit.
DuTriDu 3 weeks ago
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@DuTriDu European jurisprudence has determined that a judgement of value cannot be proven or disproven, but the austrian law for example says that any judgement of value should have a foothold in empirical truths.
So whats the empirircal truth of "SAID VOMIT"?? YOu feel like it... And i will give my life for you to think that my religion is vomit! I will absolutely give my life so that you may NOT BELIEVE!
I'm serious on this..
But amongst polite people you would be chased away.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@DuTriDu And on that i'm serious too. Amongs people who respect eachother (not fascists!) you would absolutely be chased away. So will you fight for my freedom to believe the puke i believe in?? I respect you and i want you to live a happy life, live the best life you possibly could. Be free and use the heart that was given for you to make your own choices. BUT WILL YOU LET ME LIVE MINE??
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@DuTriDu Actually you should watch the intolerance of diversity.from pat condell.. What he says there is that he does not want to be confused with you. That he actually is proud of his judeo christian heritage. That he loves to have a bible by his bed. That he demands there will be a christmas tree. That he demands and is proud of what our ancestry left behind for us. And truly he should be.
So should the entire free world, because only in our values
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@DuTriDu Only in values where all are equal before god (he has no favorites, no he does not love his believers more then the non believers!!!!!!) Where all are equal before the law.
But true virulent non tolerant fascist atheism is a disease of the mind. And you'll see that it's adherants often stray from the straight path and turn to "superstition"..
watch?v=AiVoS78lNqM
Watch the man, THE ATHEIST, the great general of atheists among atheists. RIchard Dawkins. The dawkins....
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@DuTriDu What is he saying??? Some superior being might have put us here, because we are "DESIGNED" so beautiful, complex and majestic??? So godly???
Well i'm sorry Richard Dawkins but your fascist horde should now eat you because you are no more the alpha prime of the pack.... Ow wait.. Unlike salmon rushdies "The satanic verses", you can't claim that satan put those words in your mouth... But you can say you had a bad day eh...
chriss179 3 weeks ago
The burden of proof is on the claimant,.
AndyCielecki 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki I can't seem to get past the fact that you can't lie that there is a santa claus because you're frightening the kids with pedro el negro.
And really the adults are so scared too.. Boo hoo di hoo. Can't you feel the fright and intimidation to all the non believers in santa claus.. Pedro negro is coming to beat you up...
Yes, i'm a christian and this was meant to show you something which you will never admit. You can't fear something you don't believe in.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki Oh hey, let me make this one thing very clear to you.. As a christian... "if god wanted the world to know who he is and in your 140 year old religion - that he lives".. Then he'd never had hid his face to see what man would do so he can judge them according to their deeds now would he???
And only those that actually love you more then they do themselves.......... SOme people think others aught to........... They will want to put upon themselves the burder of proof
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki Really the first and most obvious thing in life is that 1: GOD IS NOT AROUND TO PROVE WHO HE IS TO THE WORLD! 2: GOD HIMSELF IS RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT BEING AROUND BECAUSE HE WANTS IT OR HE DOESN'T EXIST.
You tell me, if god wants his identity to remain a secret, who can uncover the secret to you by other means then witnessing? Can you go up to heaven and bring god down for us to see him???
Even if we were all angels standing in front of gods throne it'd be unprovable.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki hence the reason why satan even tried his rebellion. Because you siply cannot go where he lives, which is outside any constraint or dimension.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki Btw, have you EVER EVER EVER EVER!!!!! EEEEE VVV EEEE RRRRR seen anyone afraid he was going to hell?? I bet such a person would be either thrown into a mental institute, because all i've seen is faith making people EXTREMELY EXTREEEEEMELY happy. Secondly if EVER a priest was to see such a person he couldn't help him but pump his brain full of medicine. If he'd ask for forgiveness he'd be forgiven.... Is he saying he doesn't know how to repent??
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki But this is always ALWAYS ALWAYS AAAAALWAAAAYYSSSS A-L-W-A-Y-S used as ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!! argument to ridicule the christian faith. That to be forgiven you actaully have to want to be forgiven and hence "ASK"...
Well too bad then.. If you love sin more then you care for your life then don't take that life which you don't take seriously as an excuse to attack god.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki And in fact IF YOU EVER EVEEEERRR EEEEVVVEEERRRRR want proof that god exists and that he is the god of the christans then take this warning from me.. The proof is that he can live without all those who don't want him around. That he does not put a sword to your neck like allah. He told his followers that before the end there would be a huge falling away. And there'd be a falling away (within his own people ofcourse). Meaning he is the underdog and loving it!
chriss179 3 weeks ago
@chriss179 That is not proof. God does not exist, and if he did...You would not know what he wants. Please just shut up
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@itchygonads Your right.. I'm in a pig sty... Too bad.. Seemed the movie was asking for a debate. But it's not.. It's another "You are stupid to believe as you do and i'm smart and ubermensch and we need to exterminate all that do not believe as us fascist bullshit"...
And really a decent person like me should talk to a hog like you or i get dirty. It's that simple.. Play with good footballers and you have a beautiful game. Play with pigs and the game is a horror. So goodbye hog.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
@itchygonads Oh you want proof god doesn't exist? Wait... you can't prove something DOESN'T exist... I could just as simply ask someone to prove that an invisible unicorn that holds up the moon doesn't exist. No way to prove it.
I've got it! Since you're sure god exists, why don't you prove he DOES exist? That's easier. I can prove this lemon exists, I can hold it in my hand.
Go ahead, we'll wait. Prove away...
What's that? You decline but still insist inviso-deity is real? How convenient!
qxe 4 days ago
@qxe You seem to have responded to the wrong person :P I was the top rated comment haha I am an atheist sir
itchygonads 3 days ago
@itchygonads oops, so sorry!
qxe 3 days ago
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@AndyCielecki It's almost as stupid as thinking the judge absolutely cannot convict someone for his crimes. You see, maybe god doesn't want to..... But when you insist he will. The same as any human judge. YOu cannot escape their clutches what makes you think you can escap his?
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki As soon as someone fears hell he admits to have done something wrong, the second step is feeling regret and asking for forgiveness. But as soon as someone realises he has done something wrong he can no more fear hell.
For this is the judgement: That the seeing shall be blind and the blind shall see. As soon as you cross the barrier your in another dimension. And you cannot cross the barrier halfway. One cannot fear hell based on biblical truths. You can only be happy
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@AndyCielecki The only fear that is possible based on biblical truths is the fear that those whom you love might be lost. And the bible is clear on that. Whoever loves his father, mother, brother, sister, son or daughter more then he does god is not worthy of god. Meaning if you're planning on going to hell with them (which you cannot fear because that means stopping to believe in a hell altogether, not realising your doing wrong) then you're not worthy of him who loved them too.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
*sigh* this guy admits that he can't prove that god doesn't exist...yet he goes on
:facepalm:
trinikenshin 3 weeks ago
Pascals wager is bullshit, because there is not only one religion.
goppel1 3 weeks ago
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@goppel1 Do you know that Christianity is correct? The world around us reveals that G-d DOES exist, and the historical evidence reveals that Jesus Christ really did come to this earth and there is overwhelming evidence that Jesus Christ really did physically rise from the dead. Jesus is coming again and the signs of the end times that were foretold in the Bible are coming to pass.
marionetemanJ 3 weeks ago
I wish to be a believer.
85Damix 3 weeks ago in playlist More videos from patcondell
who's this pascal u talkin bout ya old fart?
chickenfat97 3 weeks ago
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BassEntity 3 weeks ago
Sura 30:45 That He may reward out of His bounty those who believe and do good works. Lo! He loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).
John 3:16
New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
The god of the christians loves everyone, he just does not love you more then he does himself. You are not more then god. That is demonic.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
@chriss179 I'm sorry, but I have a problem understanding your entire argument. It drags on for a while and its tough to pick at as it is.
Can you maybe...make it brief? Like do a "Q" and we'll see if we can give an "A"?
ZombineVelancious 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious i'm sorry but i need that much space to open the mind. Not to trick the mind into stepping into another arena, but to actualy open it. If i do my best to do a short question i will probarbly end up rewriting all that i formerly wrote.
I'll try a short version.... Here goes.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious THe everlasting argument for "not believing" is that i won't believe because faith thrives on the threat of damnation. And hence faith lives only on fear.
I said what i said about it, which is that unless you believe you cannot fear. YOu can't fear what you don't believe in. So faith corrects those who believe, not those who don't. If your a mass murderer without faith don't tell me you fear hell, you don't.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious You'd only be sure that if there'd be a heaven you'd not be found there. Easy as that..
But besides that little lie for the sake of a ridiculing argument... I told you you need to get that mind open because most of the debates are "you are stupid for believing what you believe". And don't go much deeper then that.
But i adressed something entirely else.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious In fact there is no way to do a short version.. In fact i have done the short version already i believe. In any attempt i will only stretch the matter. So if you will not open your mind then don't answer it. THere are enough people who love to hurl insults at you and see them flung back. But i think this is a question which people need to answer. ANd there's no fast food version for it.. Sorry.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious I told that not all religions are the same... Not all gods are the same. So if Pat is referring to allah then i agree with him completely. But the god i believe in, which is the god the bible refers to. The one who put his son on a cross to make him pay for the sins of all who want to live forever and who could have payed for the sins of all humanity if only they wanted heaven too. It's an open door and the only way NOT TO GO IN IS TO NOT GO IN BY YOUR OWN!
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious I believe that the free will part and the having died on a cross gives the single sided declaration of love. The fact that all you need to do is to put your feet across the border of the doorstep and your in........
It shows how untrue the statement is. There is no fear. There is no abuse. There is no taking of the free will or pushing anyone. In fact it's a ridicule of the human mind to say you can make someone believe in something by force or fear.
chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious Love creates love. Fear creates slaves.
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chriss179 3 weeks ago
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@ZombineVelancious Maybe a short version is: WHy is having faith wrong.. ANd why is not having faith the right thing to do? Because this video is just another you are stupid to have faith without arguments. But a story of threat which is untrue because you can't fear what you ABSOLUTELY DON"T BELIEVE IN!
chriss179 3 weeks ago
@chriss179 "WHy is having faith wrong.. ANd why is not having faith the right thing to do?"
"Faith" is a synonym for "belief without evidence." It's much better to believe in things based on evidence. Believing in far-fetched things based on no evidence at all is moronic. That's what religious people do, they believe in things that are not based on evidence.
cornflakeclusters 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters It is indeed better to believe in things based on evidence. But when for example you don't know your wife, your father or your childs actions then you'll have to have faith that they do as they say and say as they do. Faith, when you see a man raising the dead, walking on water, changing water into wine, healing the blind, cripple. And then raising himself from the dead after 3 days, is not so much in if he exists.... But in if he truly keeps his promises.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters See it's a position in which man has put himself... We now die like dogs and god lets us. All the while he is letting us know he loves us. That is a very shitty position to be in.. But one man has brought upon himself.
An example. If you betray your wife and go adulterous, you'll have to trust her word when she says she forgives you, but does not want to sleep with you the year after and you will have to keep faithful or lose her. The same goes with god.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters God died like a dog on the cross to forgive us. We die like dogs to take hold of the hand he stretched out to us in faith the he keeps hold of it while we die like dogs too... We battle with pain. We battle with insecurity. We battle with lots of things and all the while we keep faith that he loves us like he promised. And that he is going to make things anew and wipe those tears off our face...
faith that he exists is solved after raising a couple of dead.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters I know it's wrong for you to battle with pain and insecurity, for example for living in a loveless world.. It's better if you become a serial killer, murderer, robber, thief, prostitute, drug addict, then to actually have faith in a gods love for your soul and have faith in the day he is going to wipe those tears off your face.. But to actually rightious people this faith in a loving god is actually a virtue.... And this asking for proof is actually EVIL.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters Asking for proof in a loving god means doing drugs, doing prostitution, doing all the nasty stuff and sayiong nobody can prove to me that there is a good lord above who loves me.. nothing matters.. Noone can judge me for giving away my soul and letting my life slip thru my fingers... It's actually evil to destroy your own soul by your own choice. And then insisting it was the good thing to do.
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters Understand this.... Jesus died on the frikking cross and did every miracle imaginable. In fact i'd go as far as to say that jesus CONSTANTLY said ONLY that he is god and he constantly proved it by doing all kinds of supernatural things that only god could do, like making limbs grow back, raising the dead, confronting the forces of nature and laws of the universe.... next reply..
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters Why would a person that did the preceding. Miracle after miracle and claim after claim that he came to save people, then die for them.. Why would a person who gave his life to be butchered then go on to refuse to let people know that he actually exists?? I mean isn't that why he did everything he did??? Why scream all day that your the saviour and then refuse to let them know that.... Your the saviour???? God??? Do you get the contradiction???
chriss179 3 days ago
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@cornflakeclusters That contradiction did not come from him.. Rather it came from you who never cared to ask for anything to him, while claiming that he never answers. What kind of a logic is that????? If he died for me then what kind of a fool is he if i can't get any answers when i ask him for anything??
chriss179 3 days ago