Can they prove that me quoting from John 3:16 in Arabic proves that my Allah is Satan?

[almadni4lyf1]

i love you my dear brother.....i watched many of your video and they are very clear very precise and well i commend you i could listen to you for hours on end and inshallah i would love nothing more then to know you in person inshallah i myself am just at the very beginning of learning islam and i know myself i dont learn it enough but inshallah i intend to start by also learning arabic so i can like you say so often go back to the source to know it meaning profoundly and not some translation

[islamistruth101]

@jummmmybrady lol if someone cuts some ones head off there not a Muslim and we believe in Jesus but not as god or son of god and the bible gives the title son of god to so many people also the bible says the earth is flat so explain this one to me peace be unto you

[jimmmmybrady]

Islam blasphemes the God of the Bible,Islam denies God's Son,therfore Islam is Antimessiah,AntiGod and AntiBible.Islam IS the beheading cult the Bible warns about!!!!

[jimmmmybrady]

allah is the Serpent,Islam is the eighth Beast of Revelation.

[phazedreality818]

i really dont get it. christians say that allah is a moon god. they say he is the devil. som say that the muslims just believe in god the father alone. some say its a meteor or a black box. the muslims allah cant be all of them. or even 2 of them at the same time. my christian brothers, i think you all should have a single consensus of what allah is before you bring this to muslims.

[christheway25]

Red Missionary affirmed his postion this is what he wrote me: "My friend i am refering to the concept of Allah is differant to the conception of christian conception so therefore it is satantc and not of God"

[christheway25]

And last if u argue and say well u were just referring to word usage, number 1)

, do u really think we are not aware that in the ARABIC BIBLE the word ALLAH is used? 2) 1:45-47 to red missionary is a theological statement ,as soon as you used the word satan, that opens up to the nature of God and who God is

[christheway25]

The reason that NAK made a video refuting what u said, cause you made a theological statement and your implication seems to say that sense the word ALLAH is in the Bible, christains can't dare say that the ALLAH of the Quran is Satan

[christheway25]

Another thing jib-reel red missionary can refer to the concept of Allah in the Quran and in any other religion as false or satanic , but yet maintain the Arabic usage/ concept of ALLAH in Christianity is the true GOD

[lessirey]

dear christheway25, this whole heated debate started off regarding the claims of some missionaries saying that Allah means Moon God. They try to establish that the WORD ALLAH was derived from the name of a Moon God. and hence Muslims worship a Moon God and are pagans.

That was the claim of redmissionary, you can still see he claiming these things in his videos.

cont..

[christheway25]

okay lessirey i see ur point if red missionary is referring to the word usage then rather than the concept of ALLAH then u are right

[lessirey]

iam delighted to hear someone understood whats going on actually :)

[lessirey]

cont..

The funny thing is that.. i think redmissionary wasnt aware that the arabic bible also use the word Allah (not now, but when he started his argument.)

so at first he said to me in a comment that it is because muslims forced the christians to use that word !

but how could someone do that ? change God's name under compulsion ?

well, he understood his false claim, then he went on with the argument " but Allah in the Bible is not the Allah in the Quran and hence satan "

cont..

[lessirey]

cont..

if you still didnt notice the deception.. here it is..

the initial argument was.. the WORD ALLAH is of pagan origin or the name of a Moon God.. hence muslims worship pagan God and hence it is satan.

Note again.. the whole argument was based on the LITERAL origin of the word ALLAH. as soon as they see their argument getting defeated, they shift it to a totally different one..

saying " but Allah in the Bible is not the Allah in the Quran "

cont..

[lessirey]

cont..

The problem with that claim is that.. THATS NOT THE POINT !!

we didnt claim they are the same God from a theologic point of view, muslims doesnt believe in a Triune God, we believe only in pure monotheism, like the Jews.

So they are just trying to deceive by shifting the argument to a totally different one.

again.. the whole argument started from the literal usage and origin of the word Allah.

I dunno if i can make it more clear that what i explained so far..

[christheway25]

okay Lessirey if its about the usage of the word ALLAH it is clear, but as long as we all know the concept is different

[Nakdimon316]

These muslims kill me with their "pure monotheism" nonsense. As if "pure monotheism" is all there is to it. As James says: "You believe that God is one, and you do well, but the evil spirits believe that too and they tremble...."

And what does that help the evil spirits? Nothing. It is the proper understanding of God and his laws that counts. The proper identity of God, not just "one God". A pagan that believes in the absolute oneness of his pagan god is still a pagan monotheist.

[christheway25]

jibreel yes u did attempt to a a theological point , answer this question 1:45-47mins into the video when u were addressing red missionary, why did u say that red mission is actually calling his GOD SATAN?

[JibreelK]

yes I know exactly what I have said, but I did not make any statement of ALlah in quran being the same of Bible. Red missionary was talking about the origin of the word, talkign about Abdul Mutalib, about Allaht, Uzza.. go back to his video.

I know Allah of the Bible is not the same, from a theological point of view. The theology of the trinity ect. Please we need to go back to the original arugment.

[JibreelK]

Me using John 3:16 and using the Arabic, was showing red that if he calls Allah satan, that can be applied to the bible. Did you see my part 2 vid to red missionary, I go into Aramaic and Syriac to show the usage of the word Allah. Can anyone come up with any idea from that that I was refering to a theological argument?

We are still waiting for the Christians proof that Allah is Satan

[qwertapoise]

JibreekK mashaAllah you are knowleadgable..may Allah guide us all!

[ronny22]

its funny how pathetic it is that they have to side track and lie

i mean if you cant prove anything then dont bother

jibreel clear said it in arabic but no were has this guy has proven jibreel wrong

jibreel why do you bother with the lairs they cant hold are proper debate

[naliakbar]

It is amazing bro, i have spoken with this red missionary person as well, and more or less the same arguement was made, and here these guys cant seem to understand one single point.

It sucks when you have to waste time talking about oranges when you are selling apples and this is exactly what is happening here.

You said multiple times, the discussion stemed from Allah being used by even christians, sam is talking about who's defination of Allah is better such a waste of time.

[Nakdimon316]

what a sub-par response. a real waste of time. the proof that Allah of the Quran is Satan is because he denies that Yeshua is the Son of God who was sent to redeem the world. He denies John 3:16 and yet appeals to the same Person that explicitly tells us that God gave His Son to save the world and thus Allah of the Quran tries to deceive us by imposing himself as the God of Abraham. Hence, he is actually NOT the same God of the prophets and therefore an imposter: Satan.

[JibreelK]

Appealed to John 3:16 for the usage of the word Allah. Go back to redmissionaries video, go back to my 2 responses to him, I mean sub-par response. Is that all you guys have? Labels and slogans? Prove that ALlah is Satan from me quoting John 3:16 - we all know you guys know debate tactics, and fancy words, but give us proofs and facts. With all due respect leave MOUSE ARGUMENTS AND BRING PROOF.

[Mkvine]

Here is my question to you, if using John 3:16 is good enough to prove your point on Allah, then why isn't this SAME passage good enough to refute your point on Allah? I really want to see consistency, please.

[Mkvine]

@ JibreelK

[JibreelK]

2 people go to a judge. One accuses the other of believing in Satan. The judge says; prove your accusation, this is a very severe accusation. The one person says - well in my Bible it says that God has a son. In his book it says he does not. Therefore his God is a liar and an impostor and THEREFORE SATAN.

The judge says - case dismissed

[Mkvine]

Satan is the Father of lies, and it's a very big deal to lie about WHO God is, since it deals with people's eternal destiny. Not only that, the "person" that lied about God, claimed to be God and to give a new revelation. I see that as a very satanic thing to do. But I don't see how this case is dismissed, unless it was some sort of secular court which doesn't really take religion seriously.

[Nakdimon316]

If you didnt notice, my goal was not to prove that "ALLAH IS SATAN". My goal was to prove that YOUR ALLAH is NOT the God of Abraham, as he claims, but a counterfeit, a wanna-be, a phony, an imposter and a charlatan i.e. Satan. And John 3:16 proves that for the reasons provided by me, shamounian and Tchado1000 (although he doesnt accept the logical conclusion).

[xiaahmad]

@Nakdimon316

please tell that to your frnd sam as well he cant get this in his mind

Jibreel didnt made the point that its same GOD :)

[xiaahmad]

neither Holy Ghost and Jesus were Gods of Abraham :)

does that make them counterfeit and wanabee Gods?

[JibreelK]

@Nakdimon316

that's interesting so your goal was not to prove that Allah is satan, but a conterit ie. Satan.

Missionary logic,.

[Nakdimon316]

I assume that you can read JibreelK. What did I say in the comment section here? I clearly made a distinction between the word "Allah" as a generic term and "YOUR Allah" as a specific reference to Allah of YOUR Quran. How on earth could you miss that? Is it illogical for me to say "I will prove that God exists but I will prove that YOUR god doesnt"? Please prove how it is illogical. Or is Islamic logic blurring your mind so you cant understand simple arguments?

[shamounian]

Nak, what did you expect from him? A cogent, rationally consistent reply? You know better than to expect that from Muslim "apologists."

[Nakdimon316]

ur right. my bad!

[shamounian]

Anyway, let him know when you will be done with your videos where you will use his own appeal to John 3:16 to prove that his god Allah is Satan. Maybe you can post my recording on Paltalk where I exposed him on your page as well. Let me know.

[Nakdimon316]

Sure bro. just send it to me and I will post it.

[muslim9x9x]

that is assuming Christianity is true, when it isn't.

You are assuming 'A' is true so B must be false, a logical fallacy.

We can apply the same argument and say THE GOD OF THE BIBLE NT IS SATAN because he murdered an INNOCENT MAN for something he didn't do. The Torah says "Don't shed innocent blood" (Num), yet GOD shed innocent blood?! Unless it was satan!!  Since Islam is true, WE CAN SAY the God of the NT is satan! an imposture

idiots confusing two arguments

[muslim9x9x]

the above message is  directed towards

Nakdimon316

[Nakdimon316]

oh boy,muslims and logic.

Muslim9x9x, if A is true and B contradicts A then B is automatically false. That is just simple basic kindergarten logic.

As for your nonsensical claim about "shedding innocent blood". Read what Yeshua said: No one takes my life from Me, I lay it down on my own accord and take it back. (John 10) So you cannot say that the God of the NT is Satan. Furthermore, Yeshua called that God His Father. Allah is denies being a Father, contradicts Jesus and is an imposter.

[muslim9x9x]

that's a logical fallacy not a "kingergarten logic" you MUST FIRST PROVE your religion (Christianity) is true, then your arguments will hold water.

 We can apply the same argument, the same bullshit you propagated. For example, the Muslim logic is that YOUR GOD is satan because he contradicts the TRUTH revealed in the Quran, !!!!

and then you quote scripture, which is not based on reason. To murder an innocent man is unjust and unreasonable.

[Nakdimon316]

I dont ASSUME my God is the true God. He IS. And even ur false "holy" book says it. But to its own detriment. See... the loon that wrote ur "holy" book wasnt that smart because since he appealed to MY God as the true god, he shot himself in his own foot by contradicting the previous revelation of that God. Since this appeal is there and my religion is older than ur 7th century arab invention the onus is upon U to prove my God is satan, in contradiction to your "holy" book. See the dilemma ur in?

[phazedreality818]

i dont understand. the u say that the quran says that ur god is the only true god. but u also say the god of the quran is the devil. wouldnt that mean that u r saying that ur god is the devil too?

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316 What a shot!!! you actually aimed your yourself. Don't you get it Jesus (PBUH) came to Jewish people to correct them and them bring them back to the straight path, but you Christians actually did what's totally the opposite of the monotheism message which exclude you from SALVATION!! PRAYING FOR A "CREATION" OF ALLAH THAT'S "PAGANISM" HELLLLLLLLO

[Nakdimon316]

NO Hawk950. Yeshua came to do what he said he would do: Die for the sins of the world. He said that numerous times about himself. He said HE WAS "the straight path", so if you claim that he came to bring them back to the straight path ur saying he came to bring them back to himself. But it is Muslims that make Allah into a deceiver and founder of christianity. Since S.4:157 says that Allah made it look as if Yeshua was crucified and therefore he made christianity. HELLOOOOO.

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316 Indeed he is "the straight path" not "The destination" witch is "GOD" ;) -God knows the best-

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 Then you agree that if he is the straight path then we dont need Muhammad or islam, Yeshua suffices! Also Yeshua declared himself to be God. He applied some of the so-called 99 names of Allah to Himself. He is the First, He is the Last, He is the Lord, He is the Life, He is the Truth, He is the Light, He is the Resurrector, etc.

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316

In the name of God, the infinitely Compassionate and Merciful.

Praise be to God, Lord of all the worlds.

The Compassionate, the Merciful. Ruler on the Day of Reckoning.

You alone do we worship, and You alone do we ask for help.

Guide us on the straight path,

the path of those who have received your grace;

not the path of those who have brought down wrath, nor of those who wander astray.

Amen.

-God knows the best-

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316

The road that leads to the airport is not the airport!

watch?v=BP1PtDZZLwQ

Best regards.

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 I know that the Son is not the Father and that the Father is not the Son, The Son is the only way to the Father. but that doesnt mean that the Son is not God.

[JibreelK]

@Nakdimon316

it means that you are associating partners with God

with all due respect you have to stop and repent and worship God only.

Jesus was a man who ate, walked, had to go to the washroom, he had needs, and lacked knowledge - GOD IS NOT THAT.

May God show us the straight path, amen.

[Nakdimon316]

@JibreelK WRONG, JibreelK! Jesus was God, BECAME a man for our sake for a specific purpose and is now restored in His glorious position as our Source of Life, God, Creator, Sustainer, Lord, etc. These attributes you apply to Him were for temporary use ONLY, when He lowered Himself to our status to redeem us from our sins. But now in His restored state these no longer apply.

[YahyaSnow]

@Nakidmon

So..do you believe God is NOT a man now?

What about the return of Jesus..do you believe God will be a man then?

Thanks

[Nakdimon316]

Yahya, when the Bible speaks of God not being a man, it talks about human limitations and evil inclinations such as lying, corrupting, limited wisdom and knowledge etc. Nowhere does the Bible say that God cant appear in human form. So it doesnt in any way pose a problem for my position to say that when Yeshua returns he will appear in human form. Will he be bound by human limitations? Absolutely not. But if u want we can argue about Allah mounting objects, descending, revealing his shin, etc.

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316 If the son is God and there is only one God "as you claim", then why do we need the father?!!

[Nakdimon316]

What kind of silly question is this? So let me get this straight: So if u can do everything with one eye, one arm and one leg, why do u need the other eye, arm and leg? Its such a silly argument u put forth! Better yet, If eternal life is in the Father AND Jesus (John 17:3) then why do u need Muhammad? Or in the spirit of "Al Qadr": If Allah has already ordained that you will either make it to paradise or hell, why do you preform "good deeds", since you will end up as Allah has decreed anyway!

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316 Is it sally because you can't give a logical answer to it? is this how you support your claims...talking about legs and eyes!! John 17:3 does not prove the divinity of Jesus, I really don't know which John 17:3 you have read, the one that I know is this:

-Now this is eternal life: that they may know you," the only true God", and "Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

This only means there is only "one God" and "Jesus is his prophet"!! LOL

Now, who's argument is silly, mind or yours!

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 And here we have finally come to the Islamic illiteracy. The Same John introduces Yeshua in 1:1-3 as the Word of God who was God and created everything. Yet all of a sudden, John says in 17:3 that Yeshua is not God? When will muslims stop appealing to only the text they like and start paying attention to the texts that destroy their case? Have you also considered 17:5, where Yeshua is restored into his position as God? LOL!

[hawk950]

@Nakdimon316

We Muslims interpret 1:1-3 as Jesus being God's spoken word on earth, and you Christians interpret them as Jesus being God!

What is sure is that 1:1-3 is not explicitly saying you have deducted. We Muslims say that if Jesus was God he would've been explicit about it and there wouldn't be any other verses that contradict him being God. such as John 17:3.

-Jesus never said "I am God";

-Jesus never said "Worship me"

-No explicit statement Ever.

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 you can interpret 1:1-3 as being God's spoken word but John debunks that! And since John writes those words you must understand it as HE means them. If the Quran says that the sky is blue, I cant say that it means that the sky is red! I have to take the words of the Quran as the Quran tries to communicate it. In Revelation 19:13 John identifies Jesus as the Word of God, not some abstract spoken word. So your interpretation of John 1:1-3 is BOGUS. This is NOT what John meant.

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 Lastly, you claim that Jesus never said I am God or Worship me. Did Jesus ever say "I am the Messiah"? If not, then why do you believe that he was the Messiah? Show me where Jesus says "I am the Messiah" either in the Quran or in the New Testament. If you cant, then on the same basis you claim we cant believe he is God or to be worshipped, you have to reject that he is the Messiah also. But that means that Muhammad and the Quran are false too! LOL!

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 in addition if you want to claim that Jesus is the word of God because he was created with the word "BE" then we are ALL THE WORD OF GOD, because all things were created with the word "BE". By the way, if you want to link "the word became flesh" with the Quranic understanding of "BE and it is" then are you saying when Allah created the pig he said "BE" and the Word became PIG? or when Allah created grass he said "BE" and the Word became GRASS?

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 And I have to repeat: If eternal life is in the Father and the Son, then we have NO NEED FOR ISLAM! NO need for your Allah, NO need for Muhammad and no need for the Quran!

[almadni4lyf1]

@hawk950 & @ Nakdimon look isnt it a personal very personal relation between oneself and his spiritual link with allah/god so then why we have to disprove anyones belief worry for your own salvation and stop your arguing it is ludicrist that you should try discredit any holy books for all are revealed from god all have gods words in them and each religion was revealed at later dates for the only reason as to bring back those who had strayed from the word of god

[almadni4lyf1]

we also know that christianity and the bible has been changed and 59 books were then made into 66 books and christianity readily admits it has been changed ther is no denial in this so how do we know which parts to discredit and which parts not to for we really do not know which words are those of god and which are what man altered and added.....only god can know this since some original scriptures have been destroyed but you also cannot discredit the quran why dont you all grow up......

[almadni4lyf1]

...... grow up and just worry about your own salvation none of you are educated enough in both christian and islam to argue about this religion is important and it is a spiritual relation between oneself and our creator so instead of fighting use your energy to strengthen your own faith and leave all others to do the same what is it to you if he is muslim and ye is christian both are human and both are brothers based on humanity and this reason alone just cos one has different beliefs is no ....

[almadni4lyf1]

..... is no reason to hate on each other and fight amongst ourselves for it only matters to thyself which path you follow which faith you feel it cant hurt another unless you are sinful and use guidance of satan to try hurt another mentally physically or spiritually I THINK YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A WHILE VERY DEEPLY FOR BOTH OF YOU ARE BEING BLASPHEMOUS YOU MAY DEFEND YOU FAITH BUT BOTH ARE ATTACKING EACH OTHERS IF SOMEONE ATTACKS THEN DEFEND AND RETREAT DO NOT ATTACK BACK ITS NOT GOOD

[Nakdimon316]

@hawk950 what is it with Muslims and catholicism? I am not a catholic and I dont bow down to statues, I dont kiss them in religious devotion etc. UNlike what you guys do to the black stone. You bow towards it 5 times a day and kiss it in religious devotion when you get the chance. But, you say, we dont worthip the black stone we just kiss it! Are u saying that you want to define ur own religion? Well then let me define mine! My definition is: I do not worship a creation!

[shamounian]

Yes we can prove (and have already done so on many occasions) that your god is Satan according to the very New Testament that you sourced to establish your premise. And it is coming SOON so be patient.

[JibreelK]

hello Sam - ok so is this guy from your team, or not? Because I don't want to mix you guys, I want to be fair to you and your arguments.

By the way stick to me quoting John 3:16 in Arabic proves that ALlah is Satan.  Now we are going to the new Testament?

I do hope your arguments are stronger than this persons' MOUSE argument.

[shamounian]

I said to another Muslim who comments on your video to watch and see how JibreelK will either misunderstand or distort our replies which will cause this to be a long series of back and forth replies since you won't be able to deal with the actual argument. This is why I wanted to do a live exchange so you wouldn't get away with logical fallacies or distortions of our views.

[JibreelK]

did not misunderstood anything Sam, your team has failed to prove your initial argument so now they are jumping into different issues. Admit you are wrong, so we can move on to a different topic. Logical fallacies, distortions of your views. I am not interested in your views, I am interested in your proof. Since when are we discussion about views. You said Alalh is Satan - PROVE IT. I am eagerly wating for that reply, since than it's better if you caution your team, loosing credibility

[shamounian]

Jibreel when you keep whining like this you only expose that you are scared. I guess Islam hasn't taught you a thing about patience. I have never seen a Muslim who is so anxious to have his god exposed as Satan. Let me put this on caps so perhaps you can get it this time. BE PATIENT. OUR REPLIES WHICH WILL EXPOSE YOUR GOD AS SATAN IS COMING BY THE GRACE OF CHRIST. AND THEN WE WILL SEE THAT YOU ARE THE MASTER OF LOGICAL FALLACIES AND INCONSISTENCIES. Did that help now?

[muslim9x9x]

Allah is not satan simply because the 'Allah of the Quran' is different from the pagan 'Allah' of the New Testament (Arabic) who killed his own "begotten son", a satanic ritual or Human Sacrifice. You are assuming A is true so B must be false, a LOGICAL fallacy.

shamoun, your God is actually SATAN because he contradicts the TRUTH that Allah revealed in the Quran (Q. 4:157, etc).

the God of Hinduism is not false because it contradicts the God of Buddhism (assuming it has one)

[muslim9x9x]

shamoun, just admit that Muslims and Christians deify same God, they hold two different views of the SAME God,

Allah is NOT satan, that's a childish argument. Only One God exists in world, it is Allah but Muslims and Christians view THAT SAME ONE GOD differently! This doesn't mean the "other God" is satan!, your assuming "Christianity" is true!

we're not discussing whether the God of the Quran and Bible are similar or same, but whether allah is satan from 3;16 which is FALSE

[muslim9x9x]

There was no idol called Allah, at least 360 gods (representing the days of the year) were all destroyed. Before Islam, the followers of Abraham (Hanafi) only worshiped Allah, the pagans also worshiped the same ALLAH. There was no objection raised to Q. 29:46 by the Ahlil kitab or pagans. Yet unlike "God" (German), the Arabic word 'Allah' was ALWAYS synonymous with Alah (Aramaic) or Eloh before/after Islam. The moon god was SIN, not Allah. No evidence Hubal was a moon god, an idol.

[muslim9x9x]

The name/word 'Allah' is not generic, it cannot be applied to the idols, sun and moon. And it never was! According to facts presented by Shabir Ally, the moon-god was SIN, not Allah. The idol Hubal or Baal (Babylon) was never a moon-god, it was considered a 'sun-god' by the Babylonians. Yet, the name 'Allah' existed long before Hubal was taken to Mecca (400 yrs before Islam). Keep in mind that the pagans knew they were Abraham's children, they worshipped Allah and later IDOLATRY was introduced.

[shamounian]

You wanna bet? It can and does refer to other gods. Moreover, your own Islamic sources PROVE that Allah was used for Hubal as I shall prove. And your appeal to Abraham and Ishmael won't help you since the Islamic sources which I will quote will prove that the Meccans definitely DID NOT get their concept of God from either Abraham or Ishmael. This claim of yours will backfire against you.

[shamounian]

Let me correct you. By appealing to the New Testament to prove his case JibreelK has assumed that Christianity is true. Thus, if the NT is good enough to prove his case then it should be good enough to expose him. He can't reject or attack the NT after we use it to expose his god Allah as a false deity.

[VoyageIslam]

If the Bible is true the Quran can not possibly be from Satan:)

Quran 35:6

Verily satan is an enemy to you: so treat him as an enemy. He only invites his adherents, that they may become Companions of the Blazing Fire.

Mark 3:26

And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.

[shamounian]

Voyage, seriously you got to come up with better arguments than this. If your interpretation and application of Mark 3:26 is correct (which it isn't) then this would also prove that Mormonism is true since it also speaks out against satan. So why aren't you following Joseph Smith?

[VoyageIslam]

Well, Joe Smith pilfered most of his story of receiving divine revelation from the story of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but I think Mark 3:26 in relation to Joseph Smith disproves the Bible more than it proves Joseph Smith.

[shamounian]

Sorry, you can't have your cake and eat it too. If Mark 3 is good enough to establish islam then it is also good enough to establish Mormonism. But if it isn't good enough to establish Mormonism then the same holds for Islam. At most, your false prophet like Smith falsify the Bible per your logic.

[VoyageIslam]

I totally reject Mark 3:26 but your own statements illustrated, (better than I ever could), that anyone who does accept Mark 3:26 has to not only accept Islam but Mormonism.

[shamounian]

If you rejected it then why did you use it in the first place? This only exposes the futility in your eisegesis and misapplication of Mark 3:26 since it proves too much. What you still can't see is that the problem is not with the text. Rather it is YOUR MISINTERPRETATION AND MISAPPLICATION which forces someone to accept Islam and Mormonism.

[VoyageIslam]

I reject the entire KJV Bible, I am Muslim (I thought you knew.) I used it because you are a Christian it would be silly of me to quote Buddha to you. I do not need to interpret anything by your own analysis Mark 3:26 is discredited by the existance of Islam and Mormonism which both disavow the Devil.

[nvmee8]

you just got slammmmed !!!

[shamounian]

Yes, Voyage did get slammed!!!!

[Nakdimon316]

LOL said the one that follows a book full of stories pilfered from jewish folklore, christian heretics and zoroastrianism: Jesus speaking from the cradle Abraham smashing the idols God lifting Sinai over the Israelites Surah 5:32 Solomon and the hoopi-bird Adam and the crow burying its companion Men sleeping for hundreds of years Mary being taken into the Temple Nimrod and Abraham in one timeframe Jesus making birds from clay Do I have to go on?

[shamounian]

So let me get this straight. The Allah of the NT is a pagan deity who killed his own Son as a satanic ritual or human sacrifice and yet JibreelK used this very same New Testament to prove that Allah is God. Is that what you are telling me? So thank you for helping prove just how misguided JibreelK is for trying to use the NT to prove his case since you just admitted THEY ARE NOT THE SAME GOD. Great job!

[YahyaSnow]

Sam..please take time to understand JibreelK's point and please ponder upon it...

God willing you will realise JibreelK is correct

[shamounian]

The first part of my reply didn't go through.

[shamounian]

Here is what I basically said in the first part. Nakdimon is on my team. However, he clearly said he had a bit more to say in response to you but he would wait until you addressed his short video. As far as John 3:16 is concerned I will be using that to show that your god is Satan. In fact I already did address that on Paltalk and will be doing so on the show this week if the Lord wills. They should all be posted on youtube shortly.

[xiaahmad]

@shamounian

sam why you and ur team members are now changing the topic :D

[shamounian]

Xia why do you suffer from the same problem that JibreelK suffers from? I have and will again do so on this week's show prove how John 3:16 shows that your god is Satan. Make sure to listen in. Are you willing to call in and debate me on it? I didn't think so.

[xiaahmad]

Sure I will wait

do stick to John 3:16 coz other wise you talking about everything else other than the topic :D

[shamounian]

Nakdimon's mouse analogy exposed a logical fallacy in your argumentation. The fact that you try to brush it aside as if it is weak or meaningless only confirms what I said you would do in your video replies. So JibreelK you pretty much proved I was correct and that my prediction regarding the kind of replies you were going to produce was dead on the money.

[Tchado1000]

@shamounian

you mind linking me to his analogy ?

[JibreelK]

Sam anyone with any kind of reasoning will see that what you accuse me of is actually what you do.

He appealed to the MOUSE example using a different language, and that does not hold any water. He did not expose any logical fallacy except that he cannot refute me. Sam with all due respect again, no substance, only futile evasions of topic. HE DID NOT PROVE THAT ALLAH IS SATAN, NOR WILL HE BE ABLE NOR WILL YOU BE ABLE, BECAUSE IT IS NOT TURE. TURTH SHINES.

I did not brush anything aside.

[JibreelK]

If I say kiss in english you might want to ask your friends, what a similar sound in arabic means.

Sam - we talked about Allah in Arabic for Muslims, Allah in Arabic for John 3:16 - not Hebrew

The only thing that will stop us for just going back and forth is when you admit that you were wrong, it was a haphazard statement and you have no prove. And let's move to the next discussion.

On a live debate people would get impressed by your tactics, but here I can show them your team is wrong.

[ovaisreza]

@shamounian

You sound like a little boy, twisting and justifying with no ground in reality. How much 700 club is paying you?

[shamounian]

They pay me just as much as Saudi Arabia pays Muslim salesmen and propagandists like yourself. :-)

[Tchado1000]

@shamounian

I gotta see this ! I'll be waiting ! The arab evangelists already made that claim and we refuted it , I hope you aint gonna copy their pathetic reasoning , the only argument I consider to be worth anything (and also refuted) is that allegedly Jesus in Mark said the Messiah must and die bla bla bla , peter opposed it , then Jesus allegedly said he follows Satan , similarly since Islam denies the crucifixion , Islam is from Satan........LOOOOOOL !!! its a good point , but refuted

[shamounian]

Only in your wildest dreams, or should I say your miraj, did you refute the Arab Christians. Keep on smoking what you're smoking since it has dimmed your view of reality. Say how to Alice as you walk the streets of wonderland.

[Tchado1000]

whatever man .....heheheheeee

i hope you don't think people like Zakaria Botros and Rachid are just claiming and their claims are going unanswered .

[Mkvine]

@Tchado1000

Could you prove that this argument has been refuted? Otherwise I would have to conclude that its just a statement without any real substance.

[Tchado1000]

@shamounian

In the end , your claim was that john 3:16 proves Allah to be Satan , stick to John 3:16 not the whole new testament .

[shamounian]

Sorry you don't tell me what to do and I am not your dhimmi as much as you hate that fact. It seems I was wrong about you and that you are like the rest. You are another Muslim who royally SUCKS at logic and reasoning. Truth is not important for you and I understand why in light of your Islamic beliefs.

[Tchado1000]

"I am not your dhimmi "

i never really understood why Christians say that , it's quite stupid .

wrong about me ? sorry Sam , but I didn't insult you and up to this point I was talking to you forgetting all the articles about you, I am actually very interested in your response because it will be some new info and very unique to check out , it seems like I was wrong about you.

huh ? truth is not important to me ? all I'm asking for is evidence ,and yes in Islam we are told to ask for evidence

[Tchado1000]

Sorry Sam , but if you believe that because I demand evidence and I am very interested in a scholarly response makes me "another Muslim who royally SUCKS at logic and reasoning." , then this is your problem not mine.

[muslim9x9x]

"Whoever wants to be a Christian must be intent on silencing the voice of reason."

Source: Martin Luther, "Sermons on the Gospel of St. John," in Works, Vol. 23, p. 99.

"Whoever wishes to be a Christian, let him pluck out the eyes of his reason."

Source: Martin Luther, "Lectures on the First Psalm," in Works, Vol. 11, p.285.

"Christ wants to slay reason and subdue the arrogance of the Jews."

Source: Martin Luther, "Sermons on the Gospel of St. John," in Works, Vol. 22, p.320.

[Tchado1000]

@shamounian

AND IF CAN STICK TO JOHN 3:16 IN ARABIC AND PROVE ALLAH IS SATAN , THAT WOULD BE WORTH CHECKING OUT .

BUT SINCE YOU REALLY SUCK AT ARABIC LINGUISTICS , YOU WON'T BE ABLE.

[shamounian]

What's going to really suck for you is that a guy who sucks at Arabic linguistics is going to use the Arabic New testament, specifically John 3:16, to prove that your god is Satan! Now that's going to really suck for you!

[Tchado1000]

now that is what I wanna see !