It's always funny how some people still practice racism over the religion they claim to observe. It's so obvious they have neither love, nor religion. they're trying to kill a people for their land, like there's not enough for everybody. it's simple, who was there first. that should squash it.
I'm an Arab and I'd just like to salute Mr.Daniel Levy for his courage. When brave Jews and Israelis start shedding the stigma of criticizing what Israel does in their name, then it's the beginning of the solution.
@medstud I'm an Israeli Jew. I don't necessarily agree with the settlement issue, but I know for a fact that there are many things overlooked my Levy. For one, as he doesn't live in Israel so he wouldn't care much about self-preservation - existential threat does not apply to him. Many of the Israeli policies are a direct result of attempts at self-preservation, as all Arabs and Muslims want it destroyed.
@gtlcg See, this is where you lose credibility. *All* muslims want Israel destroyed? Of course not, and you know it. But you say it anyway. Why do you say it anyway? Because you yourself don't want peace at all. Or maybe you do, but you hide it well.
@Giby86 Okay, saying "all" may have been a little exaggerated, but the vast MAJORITY of Muslims and even a higher percentage of Muslim Arabs in neighboring countries do want Israel gone (whether they actively do something about it is another matter).
Of course I want peace. My brother's friend got blown up on a bus on the way back home from school (in a place called Afula) and my family in Israel is under constant threat. Why wouldn't I want peace and why would I hide it?
@gtlcg It's not "a little exaggerated", it's the difference between critical analysis and racist rant. Do you really want peace? Then start working on it, starting with that attitude. Try asking instead of demanding. Try avoid being cocky and arrogant when dealing with the rest of the world, try not calling everyone who disagrees with you a terrorist. Then, maybe, you'll get closer to peace than you are now.
@Giby86 I didn't know saying someone doesn't like you is being racist. You obviously don't like me or agree with me. Are you suggesting I'm calling you a terrorist? I explicitly said the majority wants Israel gone, REGARDLESS if they actually do anything about it. How the fuck is it calling them terrorists? Stop twisting my words.
And what is there to work on. How many times Palestinians have been called for negotiations and refused? How am I being arrogant?
@Giby86 This is the problem with you people. You give your own meaning to anything that is being said. How the fuck does one make "Muslims don't like Jews" qual "Jews are racists!" - what the hell kind of reverse thinking is that?
The less brainwashed, biased, subjective, fact-ignoring propaganda-susceptible people like you around, we'll get closer to peace.
@gtlcg You didn't say that "someone doesn't like you". You said "ALL MUSLIM WANT ISRAEL DESTROYED". Now if you fail to see how that's hugely discriminatory, intolerant and offensive, I don't know what to say. And the "you people" part is revealing, too. Who is this "people"? Who're you talking to?
@Giby86 There's a very fine line between vast majority and all. And I still don't see how saying someone is against you in anyway discriminatory, intolerant or offensive - especially if true. Again, are you offended by me telling you that I think you don't like me? Why try and make it something it's not?
"You people" - the category of people described in my last paragraph. As ambiguous as it may be, I did not make any reference to a religious or ethnic group by saying that.
@gtlcg It's not a very fine line. One is statistics, the other is discrimination. Here's why: to say that every {A} is {B} you either have to have direct experience of every {A} in existence, or you have to say that {B} is an inherent quality of {A}. Since you cannot possibly know every Muslim in the world, what you're saying is that being a Muslim implies hating Israel. Which is not true: it's a generalization. Generalizations are dangerous, expecially in this context. It seems to me...
...that if you don't understand this, you're a very sorry human being. It's not the same of saying that I don't like you. I'm an individual, you're an individual. It's not a generalization, it's observation. You really want to say that all or most Muslim hate Israel? Go ask them. Each one of them. Or lose your arrogance.
@Giby86 You're nitpicking and digging. Saying all was a generalization, saying most was fact based on my observation of feedback I've personally gotten or seen from Muslims - my own personal statistics if you will.
Would it be a generalization to claim most Muslims believe in the Quran? Would it then be reasonable to claim they most believe in passages such as:
The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." or "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."
@gtlcg But you DID say "all"! And I'm nitpicking? Goodness. So it is safe for me to assume that you believe that if you see your neighbor working on the Sabbath you should kill him, right? Anyway, I'll rephrase: if you really can't see the difference between saying that all Muslim believe in the Quran and saying that all Muslim want Israel destroyed you're not a sad human being: you're a proper sociopath.
In my very FIRST post to you, I took back saying "all." Although I don't agree with your interpretation of what such generalization meant, I am well aware that it WAS a generalization and a mistake and admitted it. Even so, this entire argument and all subsequent posts were you attacking me for that very thing I took back - and this was before it even turned into an argument. So I don't know if nitpicking is the correct term, but I do think you know exactly what I mean.
Thinking and doing something are two different things. As for your Sabbath analogy - there's a big difference between thinking someone should be killed or punished and actually doing something. When applied to Muslims (and again, not ALL), I did not say Muslims and Arabs are actively working to destroy Israel or kill Jews.
So to summarize, what I have been saying (disregarding the use of the word "all") is that most Muslims would not want to see a Jewish state and wouldn't give a rat's ass if there was a second Jewish holocaust. My comparison to the Quran was just to emphasize that this was common knowledge and not just an observation or opinion. And the quoted passages were just to show what Muslims believe.
(By definition I would think anyone who believes in the Quran is Muslim, which would actually actually make the "all" claim valid, but won't get into that. Let's just enjoy the benefit of the doubt.)
@gtlcg You understand that what you said at point (2), with which I agree, contraddicts and weakens what you say at points (3) and (4), right? You're absolutely right: one thing is believing, one thing is acting. But as I don't call you a murderer because you believe you should kill your neighbor, you shouldn't mind whatever crazy shit the Quran asks Muslims to believe. You should mind ONLY what they actually do, and why they do it. Didn't YOU say...
... that this dispute has nothing to do with religion? Then you shouldn't bring it up. If you do (as you did), your whole argument becomes flawed, and you appear less credible. Which is my original point, in my very first post. If I went on talking about it is because I didn't think you understood my point. Which you clearly didn't.
You people are annoying because you are fucking lazy to educate yourself about that topic. Basically I would say you do not need to but you are commenting on it without having any idea about it (besides some propaganda you got from somewhere). I would start with from the year 1900 and then look in the area. Like who lived there and what happened during the next 112 years and then you should get some idea. Since I did it, I lost any pity for the "Palestinians". To 99% it's there own fault.
Before Israel, there was peace in the Middle East, it was called the Ottoman Empire...
Also, Dore Gold (lol @ last name) sounds like a parent/old-person who knows their wrong when their arguing with someone younger. Kept saying "Daniel Levy, Daniel Levy" like he was that mans father. What an asshole.
@DeusMalleus Yes. Because the day Israel was (officially) declared, it decided it did not like its neighbors and ATTACKED them all trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. And for many, many years, Israel has been terrorizing all those countries. Israel not once reached its hand for peace. There's even a terrorist organization governing Israel at the moment, which reflects the views of its entire population.
The settlements question could have been fixed Yaser Arafat! Muslims do not want peace, they want victory Some Jews have fallen for the propaganda! Over and over the Palestinians have broken promises. Palestinian are the surrogate Army of the Arab countries. All this is about is maneuvering Israel into an indefensible position for the next war. Israel should have annexed all instead of land for peace. Islam is a Waring culture.Will never stop wars on West. Death is glory to them. Satanic!
@runebagel Okay; A criminal came into your house and stole all your belongings, your house, your property, killed your children and wife, and then the criminal who did this calls YOU a terrorist (especially if you try to defend yourself or prevent the criminal from taking your home and killing your family).
@watercup123456 :-D Made me laugh but yeah it's nice that you have no problem to show that you have zero knowledge on that topic. Maybe you showed once inform yourself before you make funny statements like that. But on the other hand I mean you are from the USA and because I meet many US people, I know you are too lazy to get any knowledge on any kind of topic besides watching some Youtube videos or TV. So it's ok stay stupid.
@Stas2468 Proofreading and coherency: Try it sometime ;-D
I suppose first you will have to learn how to read and think critically though... That might be a problem if you are to be coherent and not spew garbled ramblings of racist ignorant horseshit.
But yes go on with your "its the Palestinians fault jews came in and stole arab lands and when arabs fight back against criminal thieves they are labeled terrorists" ROFL see how far that line of thinking keeps getting you.
@watercup123456 :-D You really make me laugh a lot. And again you come with the same statement about the "poor" Palestinians. As I told you stop being a retard and educate yourself. Or just stop commenting on that topic.
Btw. I am not racist, but you for sure know it better. Ah and regarding thinking critical and learn to read (sorry again I was too hard laughing), you can take for granted that I have a higher education than you would ever achieve.(but yes I made mistakes, was too tired)
@Stas2468 Still covering for all your terrorist crimes and mass genocide eh?
With all that alleged education you tout one would think you could accept the facts and concede that you are a vile, racist, murdering criminal covering for the nazi israeli state and the apartheid they endure against the Palestinians.
Oh well. You are a dumb trolling piece of shit and a baby killer! Who would imagine you could ever accept facts? You can't even type a coherent, intelligible sentence for fucks sake :-D
You got nerves condemning Palestinian civilian casualties which happen to be collateral damage in operations targeting militants and terrorists. These operations, ironically, are a direct result of Palestinian attacks specifically and undeniably targeting Israeli civilians. You are biased, untruthful, misleading and a hypocrite.
Hamas has acknowledged blending with its civilian population for the purpose of not being identified - an act they regreted later on because it alone increased the death toll of civilians.
With a mass genoicide, there would be no Palestinians. You must sometimes wonder how much more peaceful this region would be if a genoicide had actually taken place. And claiming Israel is an apartheid state is ignorant. In a recent poll, most Israeli Arab citizens said they would rather live in Israel than any other Arab country, as they get equal rights and more right than they would have had otherwise. Gaza Palestinians aren't citizens, making this term irrelevant.
I'm responding to baseless facts you provided. How about for a change YOU provide sources for this nonsense? Everything I said can be easily looked up by anyone here. Anything you said is fictitious and will probably be hard to find unless you maybe read and watch PressTV or Al-Jazeera.
@gtlcg Facts aren't baseless by definition you fucking imbecile; they are FACTS.
Facts are facts you dumb fuck. Just because you don't like the facts and want to call them "baseless" doesn't actually mean anything in the REAL WORLD k?
I don't need to provide sources for anything. You need to provide the sources you fucking lying pile of murderous criminal shit. Nothing you said can be looked up, you posted fabricated lies.
I raped you with facts, now guzzle some more isareli lie cum loser :-D
Your "facts" are lies unless you provide sources. The ":-D" in your post does not cover how pissed you are right now if that was the intention. It just makes you look like a 13 years old. So don't make a fool out of yourself calling anyone a loser.
Point out the lies, I'll point out sources. Actually save it. Lots of credible information on the Internet if anyone here wants to see who's the loser liar is.
@gtlcg I don't need to provide any sources, YOU provide the sources you fucking liar.
ROFL you criminal liars are so fucking stupid :-D
Yep I am SO pissed off nailing you ROFL
You get raped by facts and your only response is "what's the source". Uh, BOOKS you fucking lunatic! READ THEM!
You have no sources. You have nothing. I proved everything you wrote was a complete lie and you have no response to the facts I raped you with. Get the fuck off youtube and stop trolling you ignorant scum :-D
Sigh. I obviously overestimated your intelligence level. Calling you a 13 years old was definitely giving you too much credit.
What's the point of lying about proving anything I said wrong if anyone can just scroll and see how dumb, ignorant and a lying moron you are? Or are you just hoping now one will bother scrolling...
Grow up, buddy. You sound like and you are a joke. "Silence is golden." - it'd be as if silence is made out of big-ass diamonds in your case.
ROFL "anyone can scroll down and see how dumb you are"... Yes anyone can scroll down and see how much of a lying, racist, ignorant pile of shit you keep pointing that out, its not like you have anything going for you remember ;-D
Sure, let anyone scroll. I don't know what you're trying to prove or who to. Are you trying to convince YOURSELF you are right? Because no one who has any common sense or can read would agree with you. What facts, anyway. Anything you've said so far was easily refuted.
@watercup123456 :-D Check your own spelling first, you moron need to learn typing yourself. 1.) I am not an Israeli. 2.) You are a very uneducated and retarded person. If you would have any education or at least some brain you would look up words like Apartheid and genocide. 3.) Non of this (Apartheid and genocide) happens or happened in the Israel/Palestinian conflict. 4.) You would not see a fact even if it would hit you in your face. 5.) You are just a low-life who has nothing but Youtube.
@watercup123456 :-D and again your spelling sucks. HAHAHA you are the funniest lunatic I ever "met" on youtube. My comment from before is still valid. You just proved it yourself with your nonsense :-D. Read the 5 points from my last comment and try even to understand what I wrote down. You are so funny, you are really too lazy to look up the definitions of that words. HAHAHA I enjoy laughing at morons like you. Go and get some education, if you manage. ;-)
@watercup123456 :-D you still did not find the mistakes after rereading your comment! LOL what a loser you are. Btw. I bet I read more books already than you will ever in your pathetic life.
"I bet I read more books already than you will ever in your pathetic life."
COHERENCY is a HUGE problem for you when you are on so many drugs, yes?
Stop doing drugs and actually READ books. Don't simply lie on the internet about reading them, but actually read them, because we WILL know when you are LYING you fucking moron :-D
@runebagel they are like the Gypsies of the middle east and they have been killed and ran out of town to speak, they want to live where the Jews are and run them into the sea like good Muslims are taught, so Hamas has been terrorizing them with rockets and suicide bombs in an attempt to make them leave.
God told me that he's disgusted with Israel and Palestine and wants them both to move every person safely out of the country then proceed to nuke the entire area to make it a wasteland nobody wants to live in or fight over for a reaaaaaaaaallly long time. Big fucking retarded children the whole lot of them... (slight sarcasm)
@tabber87 I just don't want any more people to die because of stupid religious gods (Both Yahweh and Allah) that don't exist. So nuke the place, but get everybody safely out of there first - nuke it good so it becomes the wasteland it should be...
I don't think this has much to do with religion. Israel is willing to live in peace, but the Arabs/Muslims don't. Most Jews don't have a problem with the Muslims who don't want to kill them. Maybe it is religion, but it is for the most part one-sided. All it takes is Muslims wanting to live in peace. Instead they believe they'll go to heaven with a bunch of virgins for killing Jews.
(By the way, the Christian, Jewish and Muslim gods are the same.)
@jxaxmxixn Forget all that biblical god nonsense. Let's talk facts. Jews have been in Israel over 3000 years ago - WAY before Islam even existed. For Muslims, the aspiration for the destruction of Israel may be religion-driven, yes For Jews, though, it's just a fight for survival. Jews have nothing against Islam. The Quran incites violence against infidels and Jews in particular.
@gtlcg I doubt Jews would have much of any place to call their own if not for the damned Bible. I'm no history expert but it would seem the Jewish people haven't had any control in that region for thousands of years - only through some sheisty business with world superpowers had Israel declared their own even though it was clearly a Palestinian majority country (look up the history of Israel). No doubt thanks to the Bible... An outrage really...
@jxaxmxixn Well, there's archaeological facts as well as documentation in the bible to support that. If you actually wanted to use the bible as evidence, then it becomes pretty mind-blowing that religions would deny their own biblical texts.
@jxaxmxixn History is full of exiles, so no, Jews haven't always had control over it, but nor did the the Arabs.
I really wouldn't use numbers as a an example. Are you claiming that the majority decides who the land belongs to? Because if so, Jews are currently the majority. Jerusalem has been a Jewish city for the past 3,300 years, when Islam did not even exist. Who do you think the majority was back then?
Israeli army does tear down settlements asshole the solders do it in spit the conflict they feel when forcing their own people off property and then demolishing their houses, they do it even so,
the problem is those fucking settlers assholes keep sneaking in the night and building new settlements.
@canis760 these people are so obtuse they cant see why they are fighting anymore.
Both sides discredit their beliefs and claims of morality.but if they where just people and not muslims and jews then there would be no reason to fight or kill.
fuck Israel! i know there are good jews out there but as long as they are quiet about all the killings of palestinians by israeli forces fuck them 2!!!
So here's a difficult political issue. Lets get everyone on the planet involved in the discussion, I'm "sure" it will get fixed a lot quicker that way.
@LibertyDownUnder why not, the previous attempt's have failed so far.It is important that he world and religions learn from this and by opening up this debate to everyone it becomes a world lesson.
Does anyone doubt that the world would be a much safer, not to mention QUIETER, place, if Dore Gold simply opened a deli and got the fuck out of Israeli politics?
@QPWimblik I don't think we can say that these people are Zionists anymore. The fact is that Israel is a real place. It's not an illusion of jewish farmers in the middle east anymore. It's a real thing.
I believe the best solution to this is to get rid of the myth based theologies.
Morophin3 1 week ago
It's always funny how some people still practice racism over the religion they claim to observe. It's so obvious they have neither love, nor religion. they're trying to kill a people for their land, like there's not enough for everybody. it's simple, who was there first. that should squash it.
pw1straw 3 weeks ago
I'm an Arab and I'd just like to salute Mr.Daniel Levy for his courage. When brave Jews and Israelis start shedding the stigma of criticizing what Israel does in their name, then it's the beginning of the solution.
medstud 1 month ago
@medstud I'm an Israeli Jew. I don't necessarily agree with the settlement issue, but I know for a fact that there are many things overlooked my Levy. For one, as he doesn't live in Israel so he wouldn't care much about self-preservation - existential threat does not apply to him. Many of the Israeli policies are a direct result of attempts at self-preservation, as all Arabs and Muslims want it destroyed.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg See, this is where you lose credibility. *All* muslims want Israel destroyed? Of course not, and you know it. But you say it anyway. Why do you say it anyway? Because you yourself don't want peace at all. Or maybe you do, but you hide it well.
Giby86 1 month ago
@Giby86 Okay, saying "all" may have been a little exaggerated, but the vast MAJORITY of Muslims and even a higher percentage of Muslim Arabs in neighboring countries do want Israel gone (whether they actively do something about it is another matter).
Of course I want peace. My brother's friend got blown up on a bus on the way back home from school (in a place called Afula) and my family in Israel is under constant threat. Why wouldn't I want peace and why would I hide it?
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg It's not "a little exaggerated", it's the difference between critical analysis and racist rant. Do you really want peace? Then start working on it, starting with that attitude. Try asking instead of demanding. Try avoid being cocky and arrogant when dealing with the rest of the world, try not calling everyone who disagrees with you a terrorist. Then, maybe, you'll get closer to peace than you are now.
Giby86 1 month ago
@Giby86 I didn't know saying someone doesn't like you is being racist. You obviously don't like me or agree with me. Are you suggesting I'm calling you a terrorist? I explicitly said the majority wants Israel gone, REGARDLESS if they actually do anything about it. How the fuck is it calling them terrorists? Stop twisting my words.
And what is there to work on. How many times Palestinians have been called for negotiations and refused? How am I being arrogant?
gtlcg 1 month ago
@Giby86 This is the problem with you people. You give your own meaning to anything that is being said. How the fuck does one make "Muslims don't like Jews" qual "Jews are racists!" - what the hell kind of reverse thinking is that?
The less brainwashed, biased, subjective, fact-ignoring propaganda-susceptible people like you around, we'll get closer to peace.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg You didn't say that "someone doesn't like you". You said "ALL MUSLIM WANT ISRAEL DESTROYED". Now if you fail to see how that's hugely discriminatory, intolerant and offensive, I don't know what to say. And the "you people" part is revealing, too. Who is this "people"? Who're you talking to?
Giby86 1 month ago
@Giby86 There's a very fine line between vast majority and all. And I still don't see how saying someone is against you in anyway discriminatory, intolerant or offensive - especially if true. Again, are you offended by me telling you that I think you don't like me? Why try and make it something it's not?
"You people" - the category of people described in my last paragraph. As ambiguous as it may be, I did not make any reference to a religious or ethnic group by saying that.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg It's not a very fine line. One is statistics, the other is discrimination. Here's why: to say that every {A} is {B} you either have to have direct experience of every {A} in existence, or you have to say that {B} is an inherent quality of {A}. Since you cannot possibly know every Muslim in the world, what you're saying is that being a Muslim implies hating Israel. Which is not true: it's a generalization. Generalizations are dangerous, expecially in this context. It seems to me...
Giby86 1 month ago
...that if you don't understand this, you're a very sorry human being. It's not the same of saying that I don't like you. I'm an individual, you're an individual. It's not a generalization, it's observation. You really want to say that all or most Muslim hate Israel? Go ask them. Each one of them. Or lose your arrogance.
Giby86 1 month ago
@Giby86 You're nitpicking and digging. Saying all was a generalization, saying most was fact based on my observation of feedback I've personally gotten or seen from Muslims - my own personal statistics if you will.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@Giby86
Would it be a generalization to claim most Muslims believe in the Quran? Would it then be reasonable to claim they most believe in passages such as:
The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." or "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg But you DID say "all"! And I'm nitpicking? Goodness. So it is safe for me to assume that you believe that if you see your neighbor working on the Sabbath you should kill him, right? Anyway, I'll rephrase: if you really can't see the difference between saying that all Muslim believe in the Quran and saying that all Muslim want Israel destroyed you're not a sad human being: you're a proper sociopath.
Giby86 1 month ago
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In my very FIRST post to you, I took back saying "all." Although I don't agree with your interpretation of what such generalization meant, I am well aware that it WAS a generalization and a mistake and admitted it. Even so, this entire argument and all subsequent posts were you attacking me for that very thing I took back - and this was before it even turned into an argument. So I don't know if nitpicking is the correct term, but I do think you know exactly what I mean.
gtlcg 1 month ago
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Thinking and doing something are two different things. As for your Sabbath analogy - there's a big difference between thinking someone should be killed or punished and actually doing something. When applied to Muslims (and again, not ALL), I did not say Muslims and Arabs are actively working to destroy Israel or kill Jews.
gtlcg 1 month ago
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So to summarize, what I have been saying (disregarding the use of the word "all") is that most Muslims would not want to see a Jewish state and wouldn't give a rat's ass if there was a second Jewish holocaust. My comparison to the Quran was just to emphasize that this was common knowledge and not just an observation or opinion. And the quoted passages were just to show what Muslims believe.
gtlcg 1 month ago
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(By definition I would think anyone who believes in the Quran is Muslim, which would actually actually make the "all" claim valid, but won't get into that. Let's just enjoy the benefit of the doubt.)
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg You understand that what you said at point (2), with which I agree, contraddicts and weakens what you say at points (3) and (4), right? You're absolutely right: one thing is believing, one thing is acting. But as I don't call you a murderer because you believe you should kill your neighbor, you shouldn't mind whatever crazy shit the Quran asks Muslims to believe. You should mind ONLY what they actually do, and why they do it. Didn't YOU say...
Giby86 1 month ago
... that this dispute has nothing to do with religion? Then you shouldn't bring it up. If you do (as you did), your whole argument becomes flawed, and you appear less credible. Which is my original point, in my very first post. If I went on talking about it is because I didn't think you understood my point. Which you clearly didn't.
Giby86 1 month ago
You people are annoying because you are fucking lazy to educate yourself about that topic. Basically I would say you do not need to but you are commenting on it without having any idea about it (besides some propaganda you got from somewhere). I would start with from the year 1900 and then look in the area. Like who lived there and what happened during the next 112 years and then you should get some idea. Since I did it, I lost any pity for the "Palestinians". To 99% it's there own fault.
Stas2468 1 month ago
Before Israel, there was peace in the Middle East, it was called the Ottoman Empire...
Also, Dore Gold (lol @ last name) sounds like a parent/old-person who knows their wrong when their arguing with someone younger. Kept saying "Daniel Levy, Daniel Levy" like he was that mans father. What an asshole.
DeusMalleus 1 month ago
@DeusMalleus Yes. Because the day Israel was (officially) declared, it decided it did not like its neighbors and ATTACKED them all trying to wipe them off the face of the earth. And for many, many years, Israel has been terrorizing all those countries. Israel not once reached its hand for peace. There's even a terrorist organization governing Israel at the moment, which reflects the views of its entire population.
gtlcg 1 month ago
The settlements question could have been fixed Yaser Arafat! Muslims do not want peace, they want victory Some Jews have fallen for the propaganda! Over and over the Palestinians have broken promises. Palestinian are the surrogate Army of the Arab countries. All this is about is maneuvering Israel into an indefensible position for the next war. Israel should have annexed all instead of land for peace. Islam is a Waring culture.Will never stop wars on West. Death is glory to them. Satanic!
Walhei960 1 month ago
GOLD IS A GOLD AND THE ARAB IS JUST A ARAB LIAR AND MAD!
xgarievas2 1 month ago
Most single ppl present lobbied arguments. The mass population are the reasonable choice. Give the ppl what they desire....equality for ALL
spideycentz 1 month ago
Fuck Israel, theirs Americans denied constitutional rights. Jeffersonian law for the whole world is the most just.
spideycentz 1 month ago
why does the mediator stop the argument? let them talk!
Ramsez 1 month ago
Cut foreign aid to Israel, support Ron Paul.
asperin 1 month ago 5
@asperin fuck Ron Paul he is a crazy man.
Stas2468 1 month ago
Can someone explain the position of the palistitians to me please?
runebagel 1 month ago
@runebagel Okay; A criminal came into your house and stole all your belongings, your house, your property, killed your children and wife, and then the criminal who did this calls YOU a terrorist (especially if you try to defend yourself or prevent the criminal from taking your home and killing your family).
BTW the criminal(s) are the israelis ;-D
Explained enough for you?
watercup123456 1 month ago 6
@watercup123456 :-D Made me laugh but yeah it's nice that you have no problem to show that you have zero knowledge on that topic. Maybe you showed once inform yourself before you make funny statements like that. But on the other hand I mean you are from the USA and because I meet many US people, I know you are too lazy to get any knowledge on any kind of topic besides watching some Youtube videos or TV. So it's ok stay stupid.
Stas2468 1 month ago
@Stas2468 Proofreading and coherency: Try it sometime ;-D
I suppose first you will have to learn how to read and think critically though... That might be a problem if you are to be coherent and not spew garbled ramblings of racist ignorant horseshit.
But yes go on with your "its the Palestinians fault jews came in and stole arab lands and when arabs fight back against criminal thieves they are labeled terrorists" ROFL see how far that line of thinking keeps getting you.
Fucking moron.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 :-D You really make me laugh a lot. And again you come with the same statement about the "poor" Palestinians. As I told you stop being a retard and educate yourself. Or just stop commenting on that topic.
Btw. I am not racist, but you for sure know it better. Ah and regarding thinking critical and learn to read (sorry again I was too hard laughing), you can take for granted that I have a higher education than you would ever achieve.(but yes I made mistakes, was too tired)
Stas2468 1 month ago
@Stas2468 Still covering for all your terrorist crimes and mass genocide eh?
With all that alleged education you tout one would think you could accept the facts and concede that you are a vile, racist, murdering criminal covering for the nazi israeli state and the apartheid they endure against the Palestinians.
Oh well. You are a dumb trolling piece of shit and a baby killer! Who would imagine you could ever accept facts? You can't even type a coherent, intelligible sentence for fucks sake :-D
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You got nerves condemning Palestinian civilian casualties which happen to be collateral damage in operations targeting militants and terrorists. These operations, ironically, are a direct result of Palestinian attacks specifically and undeniably targeting Israeli civilians. You are biased, untruthful, misleading and a hypocrite.
gtlcg 1 month ago
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@watercup123456
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Hamas has acknowledged blending with its civilian population for the purpose of not being identified - an act they regreted later on because it alone increased the death toll of civilians.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@watercup123456
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With a mass genoicide, there would be no Palestinians. You must sometimes wonder how much more peaceful this region would be if a genoicide had actually taken place. And claiming Israel is an apartheid state is ignorant. In a recent poll, most Israeli Arab citizens said they would rather live in Israel than any other Arab country, as they get equal rights and more right than they would have had otherwise. Gaza Palestinians aren't citizens, making this term irrelevant.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg What the fuck are you babbling about?
Thanks for being wrong. Next time read books and study facts.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456
I'm responding to baseless facts you provided. How about for a change YOU provide sources for this nonsense? Everything I said can be easily looked up by anyone here. Anything you said is fictitious and will probably be hard to find unless you maybe read and watch PressTV or Al-Jazeera.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg Facts aren't baseless by definition you fucking imbecile; they are FACTS.
Facts are facts you dumb fuck. Just because you don't like the facts and want to call them "baseless" doesn't actually mean anything in the REAL WORLD k?
I don't need to provide sources for anything. You need to provide the sources you fucking lying pile of murderous criminal shit. Nothing you said can be looked up, you posted fabricated lies.
I raped you with facts, now guzzle some more isareli lie cum loser :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456
Your "facts" are lies unless you provide sources. The ":-D" in your post does not cover how pissed you are right now if that was the intention. It just makes you look like a 13 years old. So don't make a fool out of yourself calling anyone a loser.
Point out the lies, I'll point out sources. Actually save it. Lots of credible information on the Internet if anyone here wants to see who's the loser liar is.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg I don't need to provide any sources, YOU provide the sources you fucking liar.
ROFL you criminal liars are so fucking stupid :-D
Yep I am SO pissed off nailing you ROFL
You get raped by facts and your only response is "what's the source". Uh, BOOKS you fucking lunatic! READ THEM!
You have no sources. You have nothing. I proved everything you wrote was a complete lie and you have no response to the facts I raped you with. Get the fuck off youtube and stop trolling you ignorant scum :-D
watercup123456 3 weeks ago
@watercup123456
Sigh. I obviously overestimated your intelligence level. Calling you a 13 years old was definitely giving you too much credit.
What's the point of lying about proving anything I said wrong if anyone can just scroll and see how dumb, ignorant and a lying moron you are? Or are you just hoping now one will bother scrolling...
Grow up, buddy. You sound like and you are a joke. "Silence is golden." - it'd be as if silence is made out of big-ass diamonds in your case.
gtlcg 3 weeks ago
@gtlcg Blah blah blah.
More nonsense to the FACTS you got nailed with.
Everyone AGREES WITH ME you fucking lying goon.
ROFL "anyone can scroll down and see how dumb you are"... Yes anyone can scroll down and see how much of a lying, racist, ignorant pile of shit you keep pointing that out, its not like you have anything going for you remember ;-D
watercup123456 15 hours ago
@watercup123456
Sure, let anyone scroll. I don't know what you're trying to prove or who to. Are you trying to convince YOURSELF you are right? Because no one who has any common sense or can read would agree with you. What facts, anyway. Anything you've said so far was easily refuted.
You're such a little kid.
gtlcg 13 hours ago
@watercup123456 :-D Check your own spelling first, you moron need to learn typing yourself. 1.) I am not an Israeli. 2.) You are a very uneducated and retarded person. If you would have any education or at least some brain you would look up words like Apartheid and genocide. 3.) Non of this (Apartheid and genocide) happens or happened in the Israel/Palestinian conflict. 4.) You would not see a fact even if it would hit you in your face. 5.) You are just a low-life who has nothing but Youtube.
Stas2468 1 month ago
@Stas2468 All my spelling and punctuation is perfect ;-D
I raped you with the facts :-D
The iraelis are waging a genocidal war of apartheid against the Palestinians. You are just a lying loser who doesn't want to accept these facts ;-D
Get the fuck off youtube and read books you fucking faggot :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 :-D and again your spelling sucks. HAHAHA you are the funniest lunatic I ever "met" on youtube. My comment from before is still valid. You just proved it yourself with your nonsense :-D. Read the 5 points from my last comment and try even to understand what I wrote down. You are so funny, you are really too lazy to look up the definitions of that words. HAHAHA I enjoy laughing at morons like you. Go and get some education, if you manage. ;-)
Stas2468 1 month ago
@Stas2468 My spelling is perfect.
Everything you say is vapid nonsense. Read books you fucking psychotic liar :-D
watercup123456 3 weeks ago
@watercup123456 :-D you still did not find the mistakes after rereading your comment! LOL what a loser you are. Btw. I bet I read more books already than you will ever in your pathetic life.
Stas2468 3 weeks ago
@Stas2468 How fucking high are you?
"I bet I read more books already than you will ever in your pathetic life."
COHERENCY is a HUGE problem for you when you are on so many drugs, yes?
Stop doing drugs and actually READ books. Don't simply lie on the internet about reading them, but actually read them, because we WILL know when you are LYING you fucking moron :-D
watercup123456 15 hours ago
@runebagel they are like the Gypsies of the middle east and they have been killed and ran out of town to speak, they want to live where the Jews are and run them into the sea like good Muslims are taught, so Hamas has been terrorizing them with rockets and suicide bombs in an attempt to make them leave.
pandorachild 1 month ago 3
Am I the only one who Israel makes fuckin sick?! I mean do you guys know what Israel has done to these people?? FUCK ISRAEL!
AskaAtheist 1 month ago
im extremlely suprised things were not peacful and civil
shonuffLA 1 month ago
God told me that he's disgusted with Israel and Palestine and wants them both to move every person safely out of the country then proceed to nuke the entire area to make it a wasteland nobody wants to live in or fight over for a reaaaaaaaaallly long time. Big fucking retarded children the whole lot of them... (slight sarcasm)
jxaxmxixn 1 month ago 18
@jxaxmxixn A nuke attack would be an improvement.
tabber87 1 month ago
@tabber87 I just don't want any more people to die because of stupid religious gods (Both Yahweh and Allah) that don't exist. So nuke the place, but get everybody safely out of there first - nuke it good so it becomes the wasteland it should be...
jxaxmxixn 1 month ago
@jxaxmxixn
I don't think this has much to do with religion. Israel is willing to live in peace, but the Arabs/Muslims don't. Most Jews don't have a problem with the Muslims who don't want to kill them. Maybe it is religion, but it is for the most part one-sided. All it takes is Muslims wanting to live in peace. Instead they believe they'll go to heaven with a bunch of virgins for killing Jews.
(By the way, the Christian, Jewish and Muslim gods are the same.)
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg ...And the Jews think they have a God given right to the land... It's all about religion - near 100%
jxaxmxixn 1 month ago
@jxaxmxixn Forget all that biblical god nonsense. Let's talk facts. Jews have been in Israel over 3000 years ago - WAY before Islam even existed. For Muslims, the aspiration for the destruction of Israel may be religion-driven, yes For Jews, though, it's just a fight for survival. Jews have nothing against Islam. The Quran incites violence against infidels and Jews in particular.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@gtlcg I doubt Jews would have much of any place to call their own if not for the damned Bible. I'm no history expert but it would seem the Jewish people haven't had any control in that region for thousands of years - only through some sheisty business with world superpowers had Israel declared their own even though it was clearly a Palestinian majority country (look up the history of Israel). No doubt thanks to the Bible... An outrage really...
jxaxmxixn 1 month ago
@jxaxmxixn Well, there's archaeological facts as well as documentation in the bible to support that. If you actually wanted to use the bible as evidence, then it becomes pretty mind-blowing that religions would deny their own biblical texts.
gtlcg 1 month ago
@jxaxmxixn History is full of exiles, so no, Jews haven't always had control over it, but nor did the the Arabs.
I really wouldn't use numbers as a an example. Are you claiming that the majority decides who the land belongs to? Because if so, Jews are currently the majority. Jerusalem has been a Jewish city for the past 3,300 years, when Islam did not even exist. Who do you think the majority was back then?
gtlcg 1 month ago
FREE PALESTINE!
djsnakeyes 1 month ago 22
Israeli army does tear down settlements asshole the solders do it in spit the conflict they feel when forcing their own people off property and then demolishing their houses, they do it even so,
the problem is those fucking settlers assholes keep sneaking in the night and building new settlements.
and the circle continues.
YairGeva7 1 month ago 2
Just outlaw religion for 100 years, end of the conflict.
pandorachild 1 month ago 3
@pandorachild man, it would be worth getting rid of all the charity of a lot of religions just to get rid of the danger so many other religions pose.
canis760 1 month ago
@canis760 these people are so obtuse they cant see why they are fighting anymore.
Both sides discredit their beliefs and claims of morality.but if they where just people and not muslims and jews then there would be no reason to fight or kill.
pandorachild 1 month ago
@pandorachild good point
shonuffLA 1 month ago
@pandorachild
"Just outlaw religion for 100 years, end of the conflict."
i second that motion
unamaxify 1 month ago
fuck Israel! i know there are good jews out there but as long as they are quiet about all the killings of palestinians by israeli forces fuck them 2!!!
ALLINFODOC 1 month ago
So here's a difficult political issue. Lets get everyone on the planet involved in the discussion, I'm "sure" it will get fixed a lot quicker that way.
LibertyDownUnder 1 month ago
@LibertyDownUnder why not, the previous attempt's have failed so far.It is important that he world and religions learn from this and by opening up this debate to everyone it becomes a world lesson.
pandorachild 1 month ago
@pandorachild, learn what? The extremists on both sides are the winners here, and the peaceful people are losers.
The international comunity plays into the hands of the extremists and just makes things worse.
LibertyDownUnder 1 month ago
Turn their microphones off. You have to control these people. They're like children.
TheLonelyImmortal 1 month ago
Israel supporters offer nothing but smug dismissiveness.
mistaspot1 1 month ago
Does anyone doubt that the world would be a much safer, not to mention QUIETER, place, if Dore Gold simply opened a deli and got the fuck out of Israeli politics?
MartianStories 1 month ago
These Zionists have no real argument just a lot of arm twisting.
QPWimblik 1 month ago
@QPWimblik I don't think we can say that these people are Zionists anymore. The fact is that Israel is a real place. It's not an illusion of jewish farmers in the middle east anymore. It's a real thing.
guitarandrums 1 month ago 2
@guitarandrums Ok then if Israel is a real country where's it's borders lye.
QPWimblik 1 month ago
civility is overrated- Christopher Hitchens.
i thought it was just getting interesting XD
KyokushinTruth 1 month ago