Quite frankly, Mainframes are going to be more prevelent these days, especially gaming, as Onlive may be the forfront of the future of gaming. Sure we are going to still have personal consoles, but eventually, consoles could become a console/terminal hybrid, which I do admit they are already becomming one.
Not all gamers are hackers, although, anyone should have a right to hack their OWN machines. I haven't hacked mine.
Mainframe have always been more powerful, Personal computers are just smaller less power version of main frame computers, and that's how it's always been.
This video doesn't prove anything, just harps on IBM buzz words and fantastic claims, spearheaded by its marketing department. I've seen no actual figures and I wasn't particularly impressed with the demo.
@jclabby1, okay, I will. I had no idea you had a site.
As for graphics, isn't that a bit against the whole idea of what a mainframe is supposed to be (or used to be)? A mainframe, in the classical definition, used to be all about providing gigantic I/O capability and availability (yes, security also; more or less tied together, as both determine the reliability and integrity), often at the expense of raw processing performance. Or not?
Mainframe for gaming is quite possible with increase in multi user gaming popularity this idea can be seen in practice real soon...this post was interesting thanx jclabby
The "Mainframe". x86, and SPARC are not any different in a big picture and saying the mainframe is obsolete is just BS.
People started talking about the end of mainframe when RISC processors with high clock speed like SPARC, HP-RISC, Alpha seemingly took the world in the early 90s and thought CISC is obsolete(Mainframe arch is an extreme form of CISC). Well, they were proven wrong when Intel came back with pentium and x86 continued to rule the world ever since.
Nowadays, you can run Unix on those "mainframes". They adopt the similar micro arch to x86 or SPARC such as out-of-order exec, speculative exec, various prediction scheme, let alone superscaler. and designed with CMOS unlike bipolar many years ago. On top of that, mainframes are originally designed to run 24/7, therefore their data integrity is much better than other system. Almost all the memory elements are protected by ECC like parity and others. People who say mainfram was dead has no clue.
The problem is, who can afford these things, let alone the power bill to keep them running 24/7? Not me as a game developer. What's wrong with the mainframe platform is no S3 sleep function, and the things weigh a ton and suck power like you wouldn't believe.
I'm a human being, I'm offline as a developer most of the week. And then when I work its bursty. I don't want a computer running all that time when I'm not working at it.
The thing is that these machines are not designed to be able to sleep because that would be too expensive. They are designed to run 24/7/365, and when they don't, people get fired because the company in question cannot work. Those who actually, truly, absolutely need non-stop operation are not likely to be concerned with power consumption.
Anyway, I don't think that it's such a problem - they eat a lot, but they manage to do an awful amount of I/O bound workload at the same time, unlike a PC.
@Tia1ko "Those who actually, truly, absolutely need non-stop operation are not likely to be concerned with power consumption." And surely would be big enough to afford both the machines and the power.
Wow! I work with mainframe every day and I actually run services there that are accessed remotely form PC. But games? I never imagined that could be possible. Centralized gaming, it is quite nice idea.
Mainframe doesn't actually mean supercomputer, they are two quite different things. Mainframes are used for large amounts of data and for distribute systems... .....where a supercomputer is meant to be able to execute a process faster ...as u say ..
The main difference between a mainframe and what you describe is high availability. They are designed to be 100% redundant in every way. Secondly, unlike Macintoshes or PCs, processing tasks are generally placed in a task queue which the mainframe processes, then gives back a result. It can perform tasks serially, in parallel, or in more channels than that.
please use the word "cracker" instead of "hacker" when you're talking about people who are trying to find a security hole in something and then using that hole to do stuff that you don't want them to do.
@Vyggy No. There is no such thing as a legitimate hacker in the mainframe world. Hence no need for the word cracker..! Your remark is as relevant as if you told me that talking about my flat is not the correct wording and that I should say apartment.. because a flat is a punctured tyre.. And yes, it spells with a 'Y', not with an 'I'.. at least where I come from...
By the way, could you tell more about how the graphics is processed or provided, as shown in the video?
eMGeeGFX 8 months ago
Is it possible to upload a higher resolution video of this?
eMGeeGFX 8 months ago
Quite frankly, Mainframes are going to be more prevelent these days, especially gaming, as Onlive may be the forfront of the future of gaming. Sure we are going to still have personal consoles, but eventually, consoles could become a console/terminal hybrid, which I do admit they are already becomming one.
Not all gamers are hackers, although, anyone should have a right to hack their OWN machines. I haven't hacked mine.
JDonahue79 10 months ago
Um, you kinda fail to mention that BIlly Clabby might be your son or something since your username is jclabby1. I mean how obvious can you get.
deltaray3 1 year ago
Mainframe have always been more powerful, Personal computers are just smaller less power version of main frame computers, and that's how it's always been.
Morahman7vnNo2 1 year ago
This video doesn't prove anything, just harps on IBM buzz words and fantastic claims, spearheaded by its marketing department. I've seen no actual figures and I wasn't particularly impressed with the demo.
eMGeeGFX 1 year ago
@eMGeeGFX
lots of facts and figures on my gomainframe site if you're interested
jclabby1 1 year ago
@jclabby1, okay, I will. I had no idea you had a site.
As for graphics, isn't that a bit against the whole idea of what a mainframe is supposed to be (or used to be)? A mainframe, in the classical definition, used to be all about providing gigantic I/O capability and availability (yes, security also; more or less tied together, as both determine the reliability and integrity), often at the expense of raw processing performance. Or not?
eMGeeGFX 1 year ago
The distinction is pretty vague now. Isn't a very large, totally integrated server system better than a server farm?
luridplanet 1 year ago
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Mainframe for gaming is quite possible with increase in multi user gaming popularity this idea can be seen in practice real soon...this post was interesting thanx jclabby
mustafai1984 2 years ago
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mustafai1984 2 years ago
The "Mainframe". x86, and SPARC are not any different in a big picture and saying the mainframe is obsolete is just BS.
People started talking about the end of mainframe when RISC processors with high clock speed like SPARC, HP-RISC, Alpha seemingly took the world in the early 90s and thought CISC is obsolete(Mainframe arch is an extreme form of CISC). Well, they were proven wrong when Intel came back with pentium and x86 continued to rule the world ever since.
lostinxlation 2 years ago
Nowadays, you can run Unix on those "mainframes". They adopt the similar micro arch to x86 or SPARC such as out-of-order exec, speculative exec, various prediction scheme, let alone superscaler. and designed with CMOS unlike bipolar many years ago. On top of that, mainframes are originally designed to run 24/7, therefore their data integrity is much better than other system. Almost all the memory elements are protected by ECC like parity and others. People who say mainfram was dead has no clue.
lostinxlation 2 years ago
GO MAINE!!
n7275 2 years ago
The problem is, who can afford these things, let alone the power bill to keep them running 24/7? Not me as a game developer. What's wrong with the mainframe platform is no S3 sleep function, and the things weigh a ton and suck power like you wouldn't believe.
I'm a human being, I'm offline as a developer most of the week. And then when I work its bursty. I don't want a computer running all that time when I'm not working at it.
cobrachoppergirl 2 years ago
The thing is that these machines are not designed to be able to sleep because that would be too expensive. They are designed to run 24/7/365, and when they don't, people get fired because the company in question cannot work. Those who actually, truly, absolutely need non-stop operation are not likely to be concerned with power consumption.
Anyway, I don't think that it's such a problem - they eat a lot, but they manage to do an awful amount of I/O bound workload at the same time, unlike a PC.
Tia1ko 2 years ago
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@Tia1ko "Those who actually, truly, absolutely need non-stop operation are not likely to be concerned with power consumption." And surely would be big enough to afford both the machines and the power.
mike4ty4 1 year ago
Business that make a ton of money can afford it that's who. :)
zenbyo 2 years ago
Wow! I work with mainframe every day and I actually run services there that are accessed remotely form PC. But games? I never imagined that could be possible. Centralized gaming, it is quite nice idea.
missMonishka 2 years ago
I know what a standard PC and Mac can do. But what does a Mainframe do or is it just a computer which is 1000 times more powerful than a PC?
Please don't consider me an idiot for asking this.
TVperson1 3 years ago
Mainframe doesn't actually mean supercomputer, they are two quite different things. Mainframes are used for large amounts of data and for distribute systems... .....where a supercomputer is meant to be able to execute a process faster ...as u say ..
artyroly 3 years ago
The main difference between a mainframe and what you describe is high availability. They are designed to be 100% redundant in every way. Secondly, unlike Macintoshes or PCs, processing tasks are generally placed in a task queue which the mainframe processes, then gives back a result. It can perform tasks serially, in parallel, or in more channels than that.
greenboy623 2 years ago
please use the word "cracker" instead of "hacker" when you're talking about people who are trying to find a security hole in something and then using that hole to do stuff that you don't want them to do.
Vyggy 3 years ago 12
nah. never gonna catch. same with free software etc. too much effort. ahh... what can you do.
someman7 3 years ago
@Vyggy Or even just finding a security hole in a system you're not authorized to find a hole in.
mike4ty4 1 year ago
@Vyggy No. There is no such thing as a legitimate hacker in the mainframe world. Hence no need for the word cracker..! Your remark is as relevant as if you told me that talking about my flat is not the correct wording and that I should say apartment.. because a flat is a punctured tyre.. And yes, it spells with a 'Y', not with an 'I'.. at least where I come from...
salmig99 11 months ago
Found this when I was researching for a paper on PC vs Mainframe. Nice!
Cosmotube1960 3 years ago 6