To those who say price should be based on the cost of parts: If you feel that way, why not go out and buy a blank PCB, tubes, sockets, pots, knobs, a transformer, chassis, etc, and build one yourself? I'll tell you why: it's because you lack the skills, expertise, dedication, tools, test equipment, and so on that it would take. You're not paying $1300 for a mere collection of parts; you're also rewarding the guy who took the time to put them together into something that works and sounds good.
@PukkatronicAllstars Yes indeed quality costs money ok. I'm just saying it's way to expensive. Ok a moog costs money but it's vintage so the value does not really drop in time. With this box when you walk out of the store the value decreases with 1/3 already. I would like to have one but would only pay like max 300euro for it. And on the other hand think about what they could have done with the tubes other than this.
@microphlexx the new moogs are selling for 1/3 less already- i saw a few used blue voyagers on ebay and craigslist going for 1000 less then original cost
@PukkatronicAllstars the new moogs are pretty bad- only the old school voyager minimoog seems like a solid build- the litle phatty is ok but is built like plastic and cheap looking- real quality doesnt guarantee good music which many people make on cheaper budgets with lower quality products
@salvadory In my experience the only people who complain are those who can't afford it anyway. Good music can be made with tin pots and pans if you have the talent but there isn't a musician alive who wouldn't have expensive equipment if they could afford it. Anyone who says different is a liar. The thing about Metasonix gear is it does something nothing else does. That's why people buy it.
@PukkatronicAllstars youre right no doubt- if we were all successful rock stars we would buy it- but since most musicians and artists are not you see the problem and these things can be made and would sell in greater numbers if they would lower the price end of story- theres no way it costs 1300 to produce and if it does they will not survive for long as most of these companies fold because they are "botique" items
@salvadory You need to check out exactly how much it does cost to make these instruments. Those tubes aren't cheap and the instruments themselves aren't factory items like a plastic Korg Monotron. Metasonix aren't selling these things for that price because they want it to be way over the top. They are reflecting their own situation as niche manufacturers. To be frank, they aren't making things for a mass market anyway.
@PukkatronicAllstars and hence they will be under water and out of business- metasonix make great stuff that is overpriced! Even moog realized they had to make a pretty decent synth for around a grand! botigue manufacturers often fail because as nice as something is if its too pricey the demand will never be there- there is a happy median - dave smith is an example yet again of great stuff for a reasonable realistic price
@salvadory Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. Should that happen there will be a few people with excellent tube-driven synths, drum machines and analog modules that nobody else has. And that is the point because one of the main things in electronic music is sounding different from the rest otherwise known as originality. Metasonix users do not wish to be top 40 artists. PS I have a Prophet 08 and a Polyevolver and they both cost twice as much as a D-1000. Quality costs.
@PukkatronicAllstars neither do i - but used prophet 08s are now 12-1400- for that price they are great- i bought a $175 critter and guitari pocket piano that i used live through tape echo and had synth heads drooling asking me what the hell it was and how amazing it sounded- ill stick with cheaper stuff but i would be willing to put down 1500-1600 for a korg ms 20 if i got the chance= some things are indeed worth it-!
@PukkatronicAllstars ps its not the gear that makes you original- its the arrangements and talent of the musician- all the tube gear in the world wont save a talentless hack in the end- though the crappy music will sound slightly less crappy when its all tube and analog ill admit!
@salvadory - Nonsense. Boutique manufacturers may sell fewer products, but the products they do sell, they get more money for. I don't know if I like that business strategy, but that's how it works.
@deadbirdsings then please tell us why so many botigue makers go out of business or are so hard to find to the point you have to special order and be charged up the yazoo- a perfect company that gets it right is electro harmonix- they make great well made unique and special equipment that is priced realistically- critter and guitari make great gear at a fair price too- ill be buying it used or half off after metasonix goes bust
@salvadory - You're making a generalization here that you cannot prove. Do you have statistics to back up your assertion that boutique manufacturers go belly up more often than larger companies? I'll tell you why so many boutique manufacturers cease operation - it's because they're one-man outfits, and when the guy running the operation gets tired of it and wants to move on to something else, he closes shop. I'd also say that market is oversaturated and very competitive at the moment.
@deadbirdsings its common knowledge- i ve been buying synths since the mid 80s and have seen the companies come and go- even some of the digital companies! The good smart run companies will do fine- theres a way to do it right- end of story! Sometimes great stuff disappears because it was overpriced- its a shame
@salvadory - So instead of griping about the cost of the Metasonix, why not go ask EH if they'll build you a vacuum tube drum machine for a lower cost?
@deadbirdsings im sure they will and it will be for half the cost of this and i know EH will be around for years to come as well so no waranty issues- if not ill get them on clearance or used
@salvadory - I have nothing to say one way or the other on the pricing of this gizmo, but your argument is flawed. People pay $3 for a Big Mac that probably costs MacDonald's about 30 cents to make (including labour). People pay $600 for a laptop that probably has about $40 worth of parts in it. And these are mass market items; the economies of scale dictate that products made in smaller numbers are going to cost more.
@salvadory - No, but if you've got the talent and the songs, it sure as hell doesn't hurt to have equipment to match. Don't shit on quality gear just because you can't afford it.
@deadbirdsings im not shitting on it- its great but overpriced period! This is one of the reasons so many little companies fail because they still need to make a product more affordable- theres a ton of people who wuld buy this in a second if it was cheaper- do the math- if they lowered the price a few hundred they could probally triple sales- !
@deadbirdsings well its odd that i got the top comment on here so its obviously just not me who feels the same way- by the way my laptop is a 300 dollar one that i got on clearance- it was originally 900- i dont eat at mcdonalds and i dont let maufacturers rip me off-
@salvadory - I'd continue this debate, but you really sound like just a dumb little kid who expects a bottle of champagne for the price of Coca-Cola. In the marketplace, consumers vote with their dollars, and if people are paying Metasonic $1300 for this drum machine, then he must be doing something right, whether you like it or not. Go out and start your own successful manufacturing business before whining about how much things cost. You want cheap? Buy Behringer.
@deadbirdsings all my stuff is quality gear that i paid a fair and realistic price for- sometimes even well below a good price- if you like to bent over and buy into all the latest fads then its a free country- im sure youll be standing in line for the latest ipad which will then sell for half off in 6 months- ill be getting a metasonix or something of equal quality in the end and i wont paying anywhere near 1300-1400 for it
@deadbirdsings by the way i do make my own gear- i alter and make my own unique synths and make custom wood and metal enclosures myself- my stuff looks amazing and its done for well below what it would be if manufacturers did it- DYI and analog forever!
Get over yourself! The number of people who feel entitled to have amazing hi-end gear today is stupefying. A CS-80 used to cost more than a house and a casual hobbyist couldn't afford one of those either. I think that the fact that this costs less than an 808 or 909 and has a zillion times more character is pretty amazing. Bravo, Eric. Rock on!!!
Impressive. But WOW, this is SO expensive. Nevertheless, quality has a price... I guess. The engine looks really great, resistant, and I'm pretty sure it offers a lot of possibilities even on its own. Must be fun with a Kaoss Pad too or something like this.
wow - gobs 'o bass!...and the snappy snare/block is great. i have bought the entire line of R-euro modules 2nd hand to add to my R54. Can't wait...i know they're quite different but am stoked to make for some similar sounds as this.
great sounding but way too expensive- brian eno did the best sounds for u2 's achting baby with a 30$ radioshack speaker and a shoebox- i think all the new analog minded stuff is great but things like the moog voyager and this are just way out of reach for new musicians especially in this economy- guess ill just run my cheap rolands and korgs through guitar amps and efx units as ive always done and have people ask what synth is that? dave smiths mopho is an example of quality stuff for cheap!
@salvadory I agree with nearly everything you said. Creativity goes a very long way. If you have talent, you can make anything sound good, and vice versa. As far as the D-1000 and Voyager being expensive, it's a matter of perspective. If you make a living in music and can see that a device will benefit you, the price is not a huge concern. Both the D-1000 and Voyager are expensive to produce. Dave Smith products are a bargain and are a superb choice for anyone on a budget. Roger @ BCM
@bigcitymusic fair enough- now most of the cheap VA synths etc are poorly made(plastic) bad circuitry and chips) i still think more companies need to do what DSI is doing- metal quality knobs- the cheaper moogs( phatty) are poorly made for the price- ill say this looks solid- i did buy a nova- supernova rack and think this is a great compromise affordable- pretty well built- and professional sounding- the mopho despite its ugly look is another- electrix is another top pick for sound and build!
@bigcitymusic and you carry alot of great cheaper less known stuff- l love the critter and guitari pocket piano for instance and the doepfer dark energy is great for 550-600- the best deal however in my opinion is an oberheim sem pro for 1200 which kills in my opinion anything near it- thats 1200 thats well worth every dime
@bigcitymusic - Talent + mediocre gear = good results. Talent + good gear = great results. It seems strange to me that people are whining about the price of gear so much these days when there are so many inexpensive options today that never existed before, and when even high-end gear costs less than it ever did (factoring inflation). Even industrial noise bands in the 80s didn't try to claim that quality gear doesn't matter, and all they were recording was screeching scrap metal.
@deadbirdsings where did i say it doesnt matter ofcourse moogs and metasonix matter-many would use them in a second im sorry if most bands dont have 5000 dollars to buy two pieces of gear? i own arps moogs korgs rolands- i got them used or well before the ebay market caused skyrocketing prices- the bottom line is music would be better if there were realistically priced gear and your point about mcdonalds is true- thats why i wont eat there- im not paying 3.00 for a 30 cent burger
@salvadory - What experience do you have with the manufacturing of analogue synth gear that would qualify you to evaluate whether it's priced reasonably or not? I'm sure that if a Jaguar was the same price as a Toyota, more people would be driving Jaguars; but then the incentive to buy a Jaguar would be lost. Do you honestly consider something like a Doepfer synth to be unreasonably priced? I personally think a Doepfer is a bargain; though it won't have the resale value of a Moog.
@deadbirdsings yes a doepfer for 600 is a great deal- i just mentioned i got it for even cheaper 250 a steal- 600 for an all analogue synth with midi- with real metal wood ends well made switches and buttons and great sound- doepfer is a company that got it right- t i think the dark energy is exactly what im talking about- in fact i made a custom synth out of it with a midi controller- looks cool as hell and the total cost was around 400
@deadbirdsings ps i dont know now doepers are selling used for around 500-550- thats only 50 less then what they are new - i think the dark energy will become like a ms20 or arp in the future- it is the business- i love mine from the sound but especially to the build and looks of it- same with critter pocket piano- its cool as hell! ive got to go - lets say we just diagree on some things but the dark energy is the olive branch
You have a point inasmuch as gear is nothing without creativity - that's totally true. However.....good gear is inspirational. A moog sitting on your desk *begs* to be played. What's more, you don't hear a lot of...say.... French hornists whining about having to spend up to about $10000 on an Alex horn. And they're monophonic too :) Not to mention violins and cellos!!! :)
If you don't want an ana drum machine then its silly, but If you want it, you find some way to get it :)
@salvadory - Moog synths have never been cheap, AFAIK. If you want analogue sounds for cheap (free in most cases), use VST plugins. There's no shortage of options these days for musicians on shoestring budgets. Perhaps Moog do overprice their stuff a bit, but I don't consider the new Minimoog to be priced too far out of line for what it is. You can't demand filet mignon for the price of Spam. $3000 for a Minimoog seems like a better deal to me than $800 for a digital emulator.
@deadbirdsings i own plenty of old analogs- ofcourse i paid 20% of what the ridiculous prices are now- i have a korg ms20- i have an arp axxe- i have a moog opus- all of which i paid about 250-300 for- now idiots are paying up to 2000 for the ms20- but i also have a bunch of cheaper analogs- ps i would never use vst!
@salvadory - So what's your point? A friend of mine picked up several of Korg, Yamaha, and Roland analogue synths at firesale prices during the late 80s when nobody wanted them. If he had bought them new when they first came out, he would've paid prices that were just as expensive (if not more) as what a new Minimoog costs today.
@deadbirdsings exactly - theres a sucker born every minute- let the suckers pay the high end prices- ill either wait or look for other options or get them used- i just bought a doepfer dark energy for 250 off of craigslist- my friend just paid 600 for a new one!
@salvadory - So what you're telling me basically is that things costs less used than they do new. Well, DUH. The only reason a bottomfeeder like you is getting all these great deals on used gear is because someone at some point shelled out the bucks to buy it new.
@deadbirdsings the korg ms20 is a pefect example- i got mine in seattle pawn shop for 250-300- not sure exactly - no they go for 2000$ that is good for me but i feel sorry for people having to pay that much-korg could make a re-creation- not a vst like they have but a real analog version much like moog-sure it would be cheaper and sell well! the demand is there - moog responded- its the slim phatty thats keeping them afloat- a voyager used is less then 2000 now and dropping fast
@deadbirdsings yeah - some idiot paid an infalted stupid price then had to sell it for a realistic price-usually after they realize it wasnt worth it to begin with! what you call a bottomfeeder is what i call being smart and not buying into the price hype! you sound like someone who blindly buys things without thinking beforehand
@salvadory - You won't use software synths, uh? You're one of those people who insists on eating caviar rather than fish sticks and then complains about how expensive it is. If you don't like the cost of caviar, then don't eat it! 40 years ago, analogue gear was all there was and musicians didn't have a choice but to buy it. Today, musicians on tight budgets have a choice, and analogue is a luxury. Those who use luxury gear shouldn't gripe too much about the price.
@Roodillon makes sense. The guy is hand making all of these products. If I were him, I'd price people out of my market constantly. I mean really, who wants to deal with 17 year kids calling and saying stuff like, "I think it's broken because it's all fuzzy."
@Roodillon True, but it comes with age and experience. If someone is serious about making music where this kind of stuff can be implemented. They'll fork over the cash for it and be able to afford it. I'm sure there are some spoiled brats who get this stuff for Christmas, or getting an A on their report card. I don't know, I just see a bunch of people bashing the cost. If it wasn't a practical price for him, Eric Barbour wouldn't bother making the stuff.
@balderdashsir Personally I think that it sounds wonderful, but for the money there are many things that I need that would unfortunately have to come before this. The average person simply cannot afford it. It's also somewhat of a specialty item. That's why I called it a bauble for rich people. I have no issue with the people who make it and they are free to sell it for how ever much they want to, they just won't be selling one to me anytime soon!
@Alecthekeyboardist I suppose it could survive a massive EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) attack during the inevitable, coming nuclear war and subsequently would be vital in the post-apocalyptic reconstruction of our society. Does it have a tube microprocessor, too?
To those who say price should be based on the cost of parts: If you feel that way, why not go out and buy a blank PCB, tubes, sockets, pots, knobs, a transformer, chassis, etc, and build one yourself? I'll tell you why: it's because you lack the skills, expertise, dedication, tools, test equipment, and so on that it would take. You're not paying $1300 for a mere collection of parts; you're also rewarding the guy who took the time to put them together into something that works and sounds good.
deadbirdsings 1 week ago
Sounds great !
Intosia 2 months ago
R.I.P my speakers.
PINGOtheDISMEMBERED 2 months ago
it sounds like THE BOMB ;)
Weirdsville13 2 months ago
Do people really pay that money for some tubes in a box?
microphlexx 3 months ago
@microphlexx yep...the same sort of people who will pay for a moog, for example, because they know that real quality costs money.
PukkatronicAllstars 2 months ago
@PukkatronicAllstars Yes indeed quality costs money ok. I'm just saying it's way to expensive. Ok a moog costs money but it's vintage so the value does not really drop in time. With this box when you walk out of the store the value decreases with 1/3 already. I would like to have one but would only pay like max 300euro for it. And on the other hand think about what they could have done with the tubes other than this.
microphlexx 2 months ago
@microphlexx the new moogs are selling for 1/3 less already- i saw a few used blue voyagers on ebay and craigslist going for 1000 less then original cost
salvadory 2 months ago
@PukkatronicAllstars the new moogs are pretty bad- only the old school voyager minimoog seems like a solid build- the litle phatty is ok but is built like plastic and cheap looking- real quality doesnt guarantee good music which many people make on cheaper budgets with lower quality products
salvadory 2 months ago
@salvadory In my experience the only people who complain are those who can't afford it anyway. Good music can be made with tin pots and pans if you have the talent but there isn't a musician alive who wouldn't have expensive equipment if they could afford it. Anyone who says different is a liar. The thing about Metasonix gear is it does something nothing else does. That's why people buy it.
PukkatronicAllstars 2 months ago
@PukkatronicAllstars youre right no doubt- if we were all successful rock stars we would buy it- but since most musicians and artists are not you see the problem and these things can be made and would sell in greater numbers if they would lower the price end of story- theres no way it costs 1300 to produce and if it does they will not survive for long as most of these companies fold because they are "botique" items
salvadory 2 months ago
@salvadory You need to check out exactly how much it does cost to make these instruments. Those tubes aren't cheap and the instruments themselves aren't factory items like a plastic Korg Monotron. Metasonix aren't selling these things for that price because they want it to be way over the top. They are reflecting their own situation as niche manufacturers. To be frank, they aren't making things for a mass market anyway.
PukkatronicAllstars 2 months ago
@PukkatronicAllstars and hence they will be under water and out of business- metasonix make great stuff that is overpriced! Even moog realized they had to make a pretty decent synth for around a grand! botigue manufacturers often fail because as nice as something is if its too pricey the demand will never be there- there is a happy median - dave smith is an example yet again of great stuff for a reasonable realistic price
salvadory 2 months ago
@salvadory Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong. Should that happen there will be a few people with excellent tube-driven synths, drum machines and analog modules that nobody else has. And that is the point because one of the main things in electronic music is sounding different from the rest otherwise known as originality. Metasonix users do not wish to be top 40 artists. PS I have a Prophet 08 and a Polyevolver and they both cost twice as much as a D-1000. Quality costs.
PukkatronicAllstars 2 months ago
@PukkatronicAllstars neither do i - but used prophet 08s are now 12-1400- for that price they are great- i bought a $175 critter and guitari pocket piano that i used live through tape echo and had synth heads drooling asking me what the hell it was and how amazing it sounded- ill stick with cheaper stuff but i would be willing to put down 1500-1600 for a korg ms 20 if i got the chance= some things are indeed worth it-!
salvadory 2 months ago
@salvadory you're not the demo. deal with it
michaelmccay123 1 month ago
@PukkatronicAllstars ps its not the gear that makes you original- its the arrangements and talent of the musician- all the tube gear in the world wont save a talentless hack in the end- though the crappy music will sound slightly less crappy when its all tube and analog ill admit!
salvadory 2 months ago
@salvadory - Nonsense. Boutique manufacturers may sell fewer products, but the products they do sell, they get more money for. I don't know if I like that business strategy, but that's how it works.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings then please tell us why so many botigue makers go out of business or are so hard to find to the point you have to special order and be charged up the yazoo- a perfect company that gets it right is electro harmonix- they make great well made unique and special equipment that is priced realistically- critter and guitari make great gear at a fair price too- ill be buying it used or half off after metasonix goes bust
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - You're making a generalization here that you cannot prove. Do you have statistics to back up your assertion that boutique manufacturers go belly up more often than larger companies? I'll tell you why so many boutique manufacturers cease operation - it's because they're one-man outfits, and when the guy running the operation gets tired of it and wants to move on to something else, he closes shop. I'd also say that market is oversaturated and very competitive at the moment.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings its common knowledge- i ve been buying synths since the mid 80s and have seen the companies come and go- even some of the digital companies! The good smart run companies will do fine- theres a way to do it right- end of story! Sometimes great stuff disappears because it was overpriced- its a shame
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - So instead of griping about the cost of the Metasonix, why not go ask EH if they'll build you a vacuum tube drum machine for a lower cost?
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings im sure they will and it will be for half the cost of this and i know EH will be around for years to come as well so no waranty issues- if not ill get them on clearance or used
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - I have nothing to say one way or the other on the pricing of this gizmo, but your argument is flawed. People pay $3 for a Big Mac that probably costs MacDonald's about 30 cents to make (including labour). People pay $600 for a laptop that probably has about $40 worth of parts in it. And these are mass market items; the economies of scale dictate that products made in smaller numbers are going to cost more.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - No, but if you've got the talent and the songs, it sure as hell doesn't hurt to have equipment to match. Don't shit on quality gear just because you can't afford it.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings im not shitting on it- its great but overpriced period! This is one of the reasons so many little companies fail because they still need to make a product more affordable- theres a ton of people who wuld buy this in a second if it was cheaper- do the math- if they lowered the price a few hundred they could probally triple sales- !
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - How do you know it's overpriced?
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - Let me elaborate on that - just because *you* think it's overpriced, doesn't mean it is, kapiche?
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings well its odd that i got the top comment on here so its obviously just not me who feels the same way- by the way my laptop is a 300 dollar one that i got on clearance- it was originally 900- i dont eat at mcdonalds and i dont let maufacturers rip me off-
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - I'd continue this debate, but you really sound like just a dumb little kid who expects a bottle of champagne for the price of Coca-Cola. In the marketplace, consumers vote with their dollars, and if people are paying Metasonic $1300 for this drum machine, then he must be doing something right, whether you like it or not. Go out and start your own successful manufacturing business before whining about how much things cost. You want cheap? Buy Behringer.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings all my stuff is quality gear that i paid a fair and realistic price for- sometimes even well below a good price- if you like to bent over and buy into all the latest fads then its a free country- im sure youll be standing in line for the latest ipad which will then sell for half off in 6 months- ill be getting a metasonix or something of equal quality in the end and i wont paying anywhere near 1300-1400 for it
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings by the way i do make my own gear- i alter and make my own unique synths and make custom wood and metal enclosures myself- my stuff looks amazing and its done for well below what it would be if manufacturers did it- DYI and analog forever!
salvadory 2 weeks ago
my god ,that's wonderful!
frozinarosie 3 months ago
Metasonix kix butz
Fnordblaster 3 months ago
Dream machine ♥
KR34KX 6 months ago
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Interrater 8 months ago
@Interrater
Apples N oranges my friend
SPAZZOID100 4 months ago
Get over yourself! The number of people who feel entitled to have amazing hi-end gear today is stupefying. A CS-80 used to cost more than a house and a casual hobbyist couldn't afford one of those either. I think that the fact that this costs less than an 808 or 909 and has a zillion times more character is pretty amazing. Bravo, Eric. Rock on!!!
taigkyo 1 year ago
Impressive. But WOW, this is SO expensive. Nevertheless, quality has a price... I guess. The engine looks really great, resistant, and I'm pretty sure it offers a lot of possibilities even on its own. Must be fun with a Kaoss Pad too or something like this.
w3colond 1 year ago
who knew 4 tubes could do something like that. its amazing
awsomehighvoltage 1 year ago
i wouldn't waste my oney on that thing!
no matter what you say, i'll get a real drum machine!
Abrenuncia 1 year ago
wow - gobs 'o bass!...and the snappy snare/block is great. i have bought the entire line of R-euro modules 2nd hand to add to my R54. Can't wait...i know they're quite different but am stoked to make for some similar sounds as this.
shaft9000 1 year ago
Sounds great and looks immediately obvious how to use - that's all ya need!
Does it come packaged in that box? I'm gonna check the website
weaponEX 1 year ago
great sounding but way too expensive- brian eno did the best sounds for u2 's achting baby with a 30$ radioshack speaker and a shoebox- i think all the new analog minded stuff is great but things like the moog voyager and this are just way out of reach for new musicians especially in this economy- guess ill just run my cheap rolands and korgs through guitar amps and efx units as ive always done and have people ask what synth is that? dave smiths mopho is an example of quality stuff for cheap!
salvadory 1 year ago 18
@salvadory I agree with nearly everything you said. Creativity goes a very long way. If you have talent, you can make anything sound good, and vice versa. As far as the D-1000 and Voyager being expensive, it's a matter of perspective. If you make a living in music and can see that a device will benefit you, the price is not a huge concern. Both the D-1000 and Voyager are expensive to produce. Dave Smith products are a bargain and are a superb choice for anyone on a budget. Roger @ BCM
bigcitymusic 1 year ago 12
@bigcitymusic fair enough- now most of the cheap VA synths etc are poorly made(plastic) bad circuitry and chips) i still think more companies need to do what DSI is doing- metal quality knobs- the cheaper moogs( phatty) are poorly made for the price- ill say this looks solid- i did buy a nova- supernova rack and think this is a great compromise affordable- pretty well built- and professional sounding- the mopho despite its ugly look is another- electrix is another top pick for sound and build!
salvadory 1 year ago
@bigcitymusic Man are'nt metasonix stuff made by hand?So what's the deal with complaining how expensive it is???
Waargasmatron 1 year ago
@bigcitymusic and you carry alot of great cheaper less known stuff- l love the critter and guitari pocket piano for instance and the doepfer dark energy is great for 550-600- the best deal however in my opinion is an oberheim sem pro for 1200 which kills in my opinion anything near it- thats 1200 thats well worth every dime
salvadory 2 months ago
@bigcitymusic Yeah, though the Voyager is a pretty versatile self contained instrument...well worth it if you're into the sound.
This is really just a really nice module...pricey, by any standards, for such a unit! Sounds great though; )
illiustrope 1 month ago
@bigcitymusic - Talent + mediocre gear = good results. Talent + good gear = great results. It seems strange to me that people are whining about the price of gear so much these days when there are so many inexpensive options today that never existed before, and when even high-end gear costs less than it ever did (factoring inflation). Even industrial noise bands in the 80s didn't try to claim that quality gear doesn't matter, and all they were recording was screeching scrap metal.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings where did i say it doesnt matter ofcourse moogs and metasonix matter-many would use them in a second im sorry if most bands dont have 5000 dollars to buy two pieces of gear? i own arps moogs korgs rolands- i got them used or well before the ebay market caused skyrocketing prices- the bottom line is music would be better if there were realistically priced gear and your point about mcdonalds is true- thats why i wont eat there- im not paying 3.00 for a 30 cent burger
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - What experience do you have with the manufacturing of analogue synth gear that would qualify you to evaluate whether it's priced reasonably or not? I'm sure that if a Jaguar was the same price as a Toyota, more people would be driving Jaguars; but then the incentive to buy a Jaguar would be lost. Do you honestly consider something like a Doepfer synth to be unreasonably priced? I personally think a Doepfer is a bargain; though it won't have the resale value of a Moog.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings yes a doepfer for 600 is a great deal- i just mentioned i got it for even cheaper 250 a steal- 600 for an all analogue synth with midi- with real metal wood ends well made switches and buttons and great sound- doepfer is a company that got it right- t i think the dark energy is exactly what im talking about- in fact i made a custom synth out of it with a midi controller- looks cool as hell and the total cost was around 400
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings ps i dont know now doepers are selling used for around 500-550- thats only 50 less then what they are new - i think the dark energy will become like a ms20 or arp in the future- it is the business- i love mine from the sound but especially to the build and looks of it- same with critter pocket piano- its cool as hell! ive got to go - lets say we just diagree on some things but the dark energy is the olive branch
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory
You have a point inasmuch as gear is nothing without creativity - that's totally true. However.....good gear is inspirational. A moog sitting on your desk *begs* to be played. What's more, you don't hear a lot of...say.... French hornists whining about having to spend up to about $10000 on an Alex horn. And they're monophonic too :) Not to mention violins and cellos!!! :)
If you don't want an ana drum machine then its silly, but If you want it, you find some way to get it :)
PraxisAxis 1 year ago 2
@salvadory Voyager's no more expensive than a decent violin, trumpet or saxophone.
Bossfighttunes 2 months ago
@salvadory - Moog synths have never been cheap, AFAIK. If you want analogue sounds for cheap (free in most cases), use VST plugins. There's no shortage of options these days for musicians on shoestring budgets. Perhaps Moog do overprice their stuff a bit, but I don't consider the new Minimoog to be priced too far out of line for what it is. You can't demand filet mignon for the price of Spam. $3000 for a Minimoog seems like a better deal to me than $800 for a digital emulator.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings i own plenty of old analogs- ofcourse i paid 20% of what the ridiculous prices are now- i have a korg ms20- i have an arp axxe- i have a moog opus- all of which i paid about 250-300 for- now idiots are paying up to 2000 for the ms20- but i also have a bunch of cheaper analogs- ps i would never use vst!
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - So what's your point? A friend of mine picked up several of Korg, Yamaha, and Roland analogue synths at firesale prices during the late 80s when nobody wanted them. If he had bought them new when they first came out, he would've paid prices that were just as expensive (if not more) as what a new Minimoog costs today.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings exactly - theres a sucker born every minute- let the suckers pay the high end prices- ill either wait or look for other options or get them used- i just bought a doepfer dark energy for 250 off of craigslist- my friend just paid 600 for a new one!
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - So what you're telling me basically is that things costs less used than they do new. Well, DUH. The only reason a bottomfeeder like you is getting all these great deals on used gear is because someone at some point shelled out the bucks to buy it new.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
Hey, make that *some* things cost less used than they do new. A lot of old analogue gear has retained its value remarkably well.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings the korg ms20 is a pefect example- i got mine in seattle pawn shop for 250-300- not sure exactly - no they go for 2000$ that is good for me but i feel sorry for people having to pay that much-korg could make a re-creation- not a vst like they have but a real analog version much like moog-sure it would be cheaper and sell well! the demand is there - moog responded- its the slim phatty thats keeping them afloat- a voyager used is less then 2000 now and dropping fast
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@deadbirdsings yeah - some idiot paid an infalted stupid price then had to sell it for a realistic price-usually after they realize it wasnt worth it to begin with! what you call a bottomfeeder is what i call being smart and not buying into the price hype! you sound like someone who blindly buys things without thinking beforehand
salvadory 2 weeks ago
@salvadory - You won't use software synths, uh? You're one of those people who insists on eating caviar rather than fish sticks and then complains about how expensive it is. If you don't like the cost of caviar, then don't eat it! 40 years ago, analogue gear was all there was and musicians didn't have a choice but to buy it. Today, musicians on tight budgets have a choice, and analogue is a luxury. Those who use luxury gear shouldn't gripe too much about the price.
deadbirdsings 1 week ago
Looks like fun but at this price it's just another bauble for rich people.
Roodillon 1 year ago
@Roodillon makes sense. The guy is hand making all of these products. If I were him, I'd price people out of my market constantly. I mean really, who wants to deal with 17 year kids calling and saying stuff like, "I think it's broken because it's all fuzzy."
balderdashsir 1 year ago
@balderdashsir Money does not buy wisdom.
Roodillon 1 year ago
@Roodillon True, but it comes with age and experience. If someone is serious about making music where this kind of stuff can be implemented. They'll fork over the cash for it and be able to afford it. I'm sure there are some spoiled brats who get this stuff for Christmas, or getting an A on their report card. I don't know, I just see a bunch of people bashing the cost. If it wasn't a practical price for him, Eric Barbour wouldn't bother making the stuff.
balderdashsir 1 year ago
@balderdashsir Personally I think that it sounds wonderful, but for the money there are many things that I need that would unfortunately have to come before this. The average person simply cannot afford it. It's also somewhat of a specialty item. That's why I called it a bauble for rich people. I have no issue with the people who make it and they are free to sell it for how ever much they want to, they just won't be selling one to me anytime soon!
Roodillon 1 year ago 2
@Roodillon - I've known "poor people" who spend more on beer and cigarettes in the span of a few months than this thing costs.
deadbirdsings 2 weeks ago
any means as to sync to midi?
ig88sir 1 year ago
tube baaaaas
09fod 1 year ago
awesome sounds!!
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MiguelKertsman 1 year ago
Stupidly pricey.
LustForHate 1 year ago
and MIDI looks like it's not an option, correct?
iloveanalogue 1 year ago
Why???
edmill 1 year ago
@edmill Why not?
Alecthekeyboardist 1 year ago
@Alecthekeyboardist I suppose it could survive a massive EMP (electro-magnetic pulse) attack during the inevitable, coming nuclear war and subsequently would be vital in the post-apocalyptic reconstruction of our society. Does it have a tube microprocessor, too?
edmill 1 year ago
@edmill you mad! xD
yogassflame 1 year ago
What can you say besides...Yes Please.
Not cheap, then again quality never is.
IsItQik 2 years ago
Nice demo!
ZerosumInertia 2 years ago
Lovely bit of kit - the sounds are so soft and warm. Any idea of an RRP for this?
siedgey 2 years ago
The price of the D-1000 is $1350. You will find it listed on our website in the "Drum Machine" category.
bigcitymusic 2 years ago 3
beautifull machine and sound, and its yellow!
Dropframe24 2 years ago 4
Sounds great!
DavePerry2012 2 years ago 2
dude this is a crazy instrument xD
Compastral 2 years ago
classic
peteypete1984 2 years ago 2