@RSBSTEADICAM,I'm always confused and irritated why people as yourself ,find videos that have persons and or subjects that you abhor and spew your venomous nonsense in the form of a comment.Save it ,nobody really gives a f#$k anyways.Out of curiosity who is Gordon Lindy?Do you mean G.Gordon Liddy?The only person who served time in the Watergate Scandal.Rugged individualism in America is an almost antiquated relic of the past now because of the pussies who run the country and sheople like you.
The truth and what was edited from this aired segment was that when Letterman was in the machine and tried to make a joke AJ kicked him and got mad for DL’s not performing the exercise correctly. DL makes a gracious recovery, the segment ended and AJ was never asked back on any of Letterman’s shows ever again nor did Letterman ever make a reference to AJ ever again!
AJ was a villainous, self-indulgent, self-centered sociopath. Unfortunately thru misunderstanding, manipulation, press & downright fraud he is seen as a hero & (even more unfortunately) someone or something to aspire to. That he facilitated dreams & celebrity is simply akin to the notoriety of (his pal) Gordon Lindy or Richard Nixon who simply denied (or dismissed) the lives that were destroyed through their actions. As in most cases the biggest fans simply do not know or simply deny the truth.
@bootiack Why? Letterman was just asking the guy questions. Do you carry a gun?Your company is successful. Do you know about how much is it worth. You must have a good knowledge of anatomy etc. This guy was being a dick.
This was an odd interview - there seemed to be a gulf between the two participants that couldn't be bridged. Jones was a serious, single-minded craftsman with not much sense of public image, while Letterman's an entertainer trying to draw out not only the substance, but the flair, of his guests. Jones had lots of substance but little flair, which made this discussion kind of disconnected.
@SpinDoctor91 Letterman has a tendency to be jerky anyways. Letterman really likes to push some of his guests, he gets off on it, and Jones probably knew this, which is why he comes off as a jerk because he won't stand for bullshit, like he said time is short.
First of all Jones was a rare person who just didn't care about money. On that point Jones' success has to do with the fact that a "health studio" or gym cannot make a profit on free weights. Once they got a glimpse of Jones' machines they saw the potential for profit and Jones became the toast of that vile industry. "One set per body part" just doesn't make sense (but it gets people out of the gym faster). Buy an olympic bar and several hundred pounds of weights ($120) and "HIT" will work fine.
i liked some of the equipment but i really hate the concept or hit . find a pro or even natural pro that uses hit and gets anywhere. dorian and dave henry used versions that have some concepts of hit and mike mentzer really got in depth on it "AFTER HE RETIRED". mike never got anywhere using hit and didnt start pushing it on people until after he retired to make money. so show me a person that gets results and can actually progress for long periods of time with hit
@faffaflunkie HIT in no way = greater ass kicking ability and obviously by most "HIT" trainees on youtube... HIT doesnt = muscle mass either because for as much effort as i see people putting into this workout on youtube they look no greater than a noob
@MrRanger1987 Well for one, Jones lived on nicotine and apparently didn't eat much so so much for Jones' size. But Casey Viator and Sergio Oliva were two of Jones' training subjects and you can't argue that those two (Viator and Oliva) didn't have size or "ass kicking ability" (Oliva by the way was a policeman in Chicago).
@faffaflunkie what does being a policeman have to do with anything? my brother is a police man and a 2nd dan in Shotokon. ronnie coleman is 300lbs and a police man in texas. anybody can be a policeman. ronnie coleman couldnt kick your ass because he couldnt catch you. casey vaitor had some of the greatest genetics ever and hardcore into steroids. no way can you compete or stand next to even a natural pro using this style of training. put casey up to any natural pro and he would get slammed
@MrRanger1987 I never heard of Viator using 'roids. Oliva did but Jones claimed he got him (Oliva) off the "juice". If anyone had arms bigger than Oliva I haven't seen them. MACHINES are crap and you will probably get no where using them but "HIT" works IF you do the "hard" exercises no one wants to do (weighted dips and pullups, heavy squats and deadlifts).
@faffaflunkie you cant tell me casey vaitor didnt you steroids thats crazy talk man.. i dont believe machines are crap. they are just another tool in the box for bodybuilders to do their jobs with. just like any other job you need tools and machines are some of the tools bodybuilders use. if all these machine would have been around during the start of bodybuilding they would have been used then too. bodybuilders use anything they can to get ahead of the competition.
@MrRanger1987 Jones always denied his trainees (with the exception of Oliva) used "juice". As for "machines", anything that makes exercise "easier" is bad. In the HIT videos posted here (on youtube) you will not ever see anyone (Mike Mentzer included) do a weighted dip, pull up, squat or deadlift. Real HIT training works, but what you see on youtube is a piss poor version of the practice.
@faffaflunkie on just about every version of mike's hit he had some form of machine. on this last video HIT.. he had pec deck, incline machine bench, machine pull over, tricep dip machine, leg press, leg extensions, leg curls, and standing calf raise machine. his first 2 books even put huge emphasis on parallel bar dips and reverse grip chins up in which you did 6-10 reps.. one you reached 10 reps you added weight to yourself. i think your confused on what HIT is.
if you want to know the truth about HIT training ask markus who was in the HIT dvd who trained along with mike for a long time and still practices HIT to the T. his youtube channel name is mrhighintensity . machines are a huge part of HIT because they allow you to safely take the muscles past failure in a safe manner. practicing HIT on on incline barbell press, barbell shoulder press, or skull crushers especially training alone is near impossible and very dangerous. HIT is huge focus on machine
@MrRanger1987 Just what do YOU think it (HIT) is. Dorian Yates practiced "HIT" and looked every bit as perfect as the "juiced" Oliva and the "genetically gifted" Viator. As for the "danger" of HIT, if you are concerned about your safety (a reasonable concern), Jones himself recommended the enlistment of training partners "strong of back and weak of mind". If you can find some old timer at a gym he might advise you on how to do heavy exercises safely (including squats) "unassisted".
@faffaflunkie wrong again dude, yates did heavy duty.. not hit... two different training methods. heavy duty was multiple exercises for multiple muscle groups and trained way more frequent. not to mention arthur jones made a full line of machines called nautilus if you havent heard of them. that is what he considered to be HIT training and it was almost ALL machines. i know what hit is . your talking different training styles that resemble HIT bc you dont know the actual HIT program itself
@MrRanger1987 You still haven't answered my question. Just what do you believe "HIT" is. Dorian Yates was a vocal proponent of "High Intensity" (no matter what YOU call it). And why don't you think HIT does not involve "multiple exercises for multiple muscle groups" (it can)? As for Arthur Jones, some time after this appearance he sold his company for $13 million (he had an estimated yearly gross of $200 million, mostly profit) and went on record stating that his Nautilus line was unnecessary.
@faffaflunkie yes the line was unnecassary as in they didnt need a whole line of machines for it because they already had them. the point was he marketed HIT with these machines and essentially brought out hit into the mainstream. millions of people starting working out after this idea came out because of the idea working out with limited time and not having to worry about dangerous free weights which a lot of people were concerned about thats why he made the machines.
@faffaflunkie and the original HIT was only 1 exercise per body part until failure with a moderate paced cadence, no momentum, and forced reps/negatives training 3 times a week and eventually when the body got adapted training was cut down to 2 times per week then eventually 1 training day every 7- days. HEAVY DUTY which dorian yates did was multiple exercise ranging from 2-4 Per muscle group with a controlled cadence, negatives/forced reps and training a lot more frequent.
@faffaflunkie dorian himself has stated in many interviews that he does not do hit and he was never trained BY a hit trainer like mike mentzer. he trained with him a few times and took some principles from him like training more intense with fewer sets but he never took the route of training with only 1 exercise per bodypart like HIT was. he believed you needed to hit muscles from multiple angles to stimulate them and they needed to be hit more frequent.
@faffaflunkie so again, i gave you the true definition of what the original hit was and also the definition of what dorian yates used called HEAVY DUTY. a few of the same principles but in no way the same training methods. there are many different branches off of the original hit including Heavy duty and DC training but none of those are the actual HIT program. this isnt what i "believe" . those are the facts. there is only 1 HIT program which markus still trains people in.
@MrRanger1987 Well, maybe I phrased it wrong. Arthur Jones himself stated that the barbell was "perfect". Jones certainly trained in "high intensity" fashion BEFORE Nautilus machines (he hadn't invented them yet). This begs the question, if the barbell is "perfect" (as Jones stated) why was the exercise machine invented? And why was a man who admittedly sold something so redundant a legend in the exercise industry (which he despised). And why do health studios buy machines instead of barbells.
@faffaflunkie that doesnt raise a hard question at all.... look at the interview on him on david letterman some years back. he said it took him some 10 years to make those machines though so he had to put some love and dedication into making them and the reason behind them. he refused to talk about how much he made, how much he was worth any of that stuff. yes he made a lot of money but he never marketed it about money.
@faffaflunkie he found the best program he could find that he could push to the public.. working out less to get more results and then he found a way to benefit even more off of that by making machines specific for people who wanted the quick workout from machine to machine without the needs of spotters and being scared of the free weights like people tend to be. he made so much money because it was a great concept to workout less get more results and be safer as doing so
@faffaflunkie if you have ever been to a gym you know the reason why machines are there... if used properly they are a great addition to barbell training. but most gym market safely, training alone, and of course the newer machine era in health clubs was geared towards middle aged women who thought lifting barbells and heavy weights would bulk them up. everytime i go to a gym i still find it rare to find a female lifting free weights.
as for that lying cunt Marcus..check out his chest/tricep video.hes clearly pushing the weight in less than 2 seconds....so much for taking mikes advice and using a -4-2-4 cadence.
spade: in mikes underground seminar, even Mike said 4-2-4 was a GUIDE...he said the point is to make sure its the MUSCLE that is doing the lifting NOT momentum...he even said if you are off 1.2 seconds it doesnt matter as long as there is no momentum. Have you ever watch his underground seminar?
Yeah...many people asked for their money back after attending that seminar...i wonder if beethovens7th and exarchives benefitted from it....no wait...ive seen their videos ..obvioulsy not.
where are all these great HIt physiques?...i dont see any....not a pro or top amateur not a even a local ham n egger you see down at your gym.....where are all these great hit physiques?
spade: as Mike would say "most pros are technically "knuckleheads"...Markus Ruhl is a pro, but dont tell me for one minute he would grow from those psychotic overtraining sessions without loads of roids...he doesnt look healthy at all..I know he is an extreme example...BUT
One of the few volume pros of today who seems to have a clear mind, trains smart, and isnt roided to the max is Tony Freeman- XMan..(unless I am wrong) he just grows overtime and never looks bloated
spade: I dont like his physique either but....I also wouldn't listen to him if he gave me advice....$ does talk and for $100k payout at top shows and endorsements and guest posing etc, I can see why they do it. So Spade...are you doing that show in Vegas you mentioned before?
Im going to Vegas 12th may to 16th....and my mission is to find that lying cunt Marcus....he claims he trains at lvac on flamingo...so thats where i'll start.
spade:LOL...I thought you were doing a bbing show that weekend... that's hilarious how you are after MR so bad...come on give him credit he has won some good shows and looks like he went natural, and he is making a living in fitness...
You know i never started this grudge with Marcus ...he did.I said mentzers books were only good for propping up a table with a short leg and he came back with a reply insulting me.He blocks people on his videos and only leaves up comments that feed his ego
pmango...since you like that seminar soooo much ..take a look at the guy that posted it...zero legs(hence the sweatpants in ALL his videos),doesnt train to failure,doesnt use a 4-2-4 cadence...and yet claims he trains in HIt style.....in fact on one of his videos someone aksed him why he didnt use a 4-2-4 cadence and he said he couldnt gain any strength that way....gee what a surprise....oh yeah he also seems to be under the illusional that supps actually do something ahahahahahahahhaahahah
..as for that seminar that came out Before HIS HIT VIDEO...and in the video he clearly states use a 4-2-4 cadence and even slower for legs....as for being set in my ways... i tried hit and it did absolutely nothing except make me lose size and strength....would never bother with it again
spade: funny, but my weights keep going up using HIT and I have bodyparts growing that had not grown in years...maybe I was volume training wrong and you didn't apply HIT correctly...having said that, HIT is a true learning process and I have yet to apply it 100% as its very difficult.. but I have still made gains..
Oh i tried hit right to the t and it still did nothing...hit trainers always use that excuse.....let me know when you see one person.....just one....who looks good training only 15 to 20 minutes a week..it can be a pro,amateur or a ham n egger....you choose...and dont say beethovens 7th who i could post through my front mailbox hes so skinny.
spade: well that amateur will be me in one year as with my small bone structure and 28" waist (contest shape), I only need to put on about another 10 to 20 lbs to have the "Benfatto 1985" look" ...well not really but I will be very proportioned. Benfatto to me at the '90 Olympia was bodybuilding at its best. Benfatto at 175lbs beat many 220+ lbers
pmango1000...post a video of you doing a hit set...you choose the bodypart...and ill review it.If you look good and train to failure and i mean failure...where tears are almost running down your face ....and ill give credit where credits due.
spade: I feel like crying every set I do....although I will admit its really hard to go to failure on squats..LOL...but I dont pause at the top to make it more intense and go down nice and slow and the tension is 100%
spade: give me a couple more months then maybe...I hope to prove to lot of people that HIT works..I had a friend of mine do it and he seems to like it and his back grew lie the second week too..he too admits its a learning experience...you really need someone spotting and pushing you...but the intensity is up to you
Ive been through there a few times...the chicago area perhaps,or peoria or further down towards st louis?I have a friend that lives in carol stream(suburb of chicago)
spade: I will say this: doing a set of machine pullovers to failure followed by a set of close grip pulldowns or wide grip chins to failure is a very painful experience and its really all you need to do as I am sore for 3 days after that...I also sometimes deadlift on those days too. I did just squats, deads, close grip pulldowns and weighted dips for a month & I got bigger..now I am back to doing isolation super setted with a compound..like flys before inclines...extensions before squats etc
The fact that there is not one single champion bodybuilder alive today that ONLY uses free weights is ample testimony to Jones' ideas about machines.
By today's standards the old Nautilus machines are inferior - but if it weren't for Jones, companies like Cybex and Hammer Strength would have never come into existence.
he was on to something but i don't think he got it 100%. BUT he did get a piece of the puzzle. need more recovery than previously though. Trigger growth for strength (as opposed to volume work for bodybuilding).etc .
Of course bodybuilding is slightly different but he had something. RESPECT TO HIM
More like something was wrong with nautilus.....hence the reason you cant find that shitty equipment in almost any gym...and for good reason....but you can still find barbells and dumbells.....another thing Jones the arrogant fuck was wrong about.
Spade121981, Jones predicted in his Nautilus Bulletins that barbells would be more popular than ever. How was he wrong about that? Maybe you should actually READ some of his work.
Sure he did...i guess thats why he kept trying to promote his Nautilus crap equipment so much..which went nowhere by the way....just like HIT....as for reading his articles..no thanks...I prefer to read articles from people that have actually have spent time training.LOL
If they went nowhere then why was he so stinking rich??? Bodybuilders (especially pros) may have available time and drugs to waste on shitty, lengthy training routines but other athletes don't. I guess that's why many NFL clubs purchased shit loads of his equipment in bulk, and sent some of their stars all the way to Lake Helen for training...
He was already wealthy before Nautilus...thats why...and as far as lengthy routines go...thats what works...not training once a week for 15 to 20 minutes.....let me know when you see a pro or top amatuer training like that...god luck ...because you wont find one....you know why...because it doesnt work....and you wont find one single peice of Nautilus equipment in any gym either.LOL
Take a look at all the HIt videos on youtube and ALL THE PEOPLE are small...gee what a coincidence....take a look at ALL the top amatuers and pros who use volume and their all big...hmmmm i wonder which routine works better?...thats right randysuckscocks volume training.LOL
spade: I have yet to any of those guys in youtube videos who claim to be HIT lifters even doing it correclty...come on now...most of those guys think they are applyingHIT because they fly from machine to machine...that's not HIT!! The only one doing it correclty are the vids with Mentzer, and yes, Markus wimps out on some of the lifts...others he gives it all and goes to failure
I have yet to see one single person use hit 15 to 20 minutes a week thats a top pro or amateur.....the nautilus equipment was dogshit..i used some of it years ago and it was crap...hence the reason it went like the dinosaurs.Your life might not be consumed by training 4 or 5 days week....but i got a newsflash for you....thats what it takes.Training 15 to 20 minutes a week does absolutley nothing.i noticed how you never mentioned anything about your legs only your arms and back..
..yeah..but the whole point is to train to failure EVERY workout when using sHIT...noT now and again like Marcus the lying is doing....infact i dont see him going to failure in any of his videos...no wonder hes shrinking.....and as for Hitpadawan hes a complete moron aswell...sits therees saying he does Hit and yet admits he isnt able to take a leg workout to faiulure...pllllllease....no wonder he so small.
If your too lazy to put in more than 15 minutes a week in the gym (which is the main reason people use sHIT, but of course get nothing from it), then you can forget about having a good body,,,,as for the juice thats just part of the game,,,i use it and have no hangs up about it...and neither did Mentzer....maybe it AJ had used some too and actually trained instead of just talking he might have weighed more than 90lbs soaking wet.LOL
I highly doubt, Arthur ever trained anyone for just 15 minutes a week. Still, in any case he definately trained people less than 4-5 hours a day for 6 days a week, e.g. Arnold.
Oh I love those self-proclaimed volume trainers. I highly doubt many (if any) have ever tried a REAL volume program. Doing more than one set does NOT make someone a volume trainer. Bulgarian Olympic weightlifting, or Arnold Schwarzenegger bodybuilding are the real volume programs.
I dont train like that.I never said i did.I train about an hour each workout...4 to 5 workouts a week...that 15 minute a week shit like Mentzer banged on about does absolutley nothing..thats what im referring to.....i know because i tried it.Lost size and strength doing it...soon as started training 4 to 5 days a week again...Presto...all my size and strength came back.....I just finished doing shoulders today...total sets were 21...7 exercises for 3 sets each...fully blasted from every angle.
Sure he did...casey viator and sergio are both good examples..That leg workout that sergio was put through consisted of 20 reps leg extension,then 20 reps leg press,then 20 reps squats all in a row...with no rest...trouble is that kind of workout is good for building endurance but does nothing when it comes to building size due to the limited weight you can use...hence the fact most of sergios workout were volume type.
spade: there are tons of skinny dudes who volume train & do set aimlessly for years too. You have to admit that its not cool for Mags to publish the workouts of the pros & regular guys try to emulate them and over train because they don't ever recover. HIT isn't about laziness, its about "how little exercise does my body require to grow?" It also allows bb's to be broader more well balanced people. Now that I am doing HIT, my life isnt consumed by "I got to be in the gym for an hour tonight"
If your not willing to put the effort in and just want to try and get away with 15 to 20 minutes a week...you can forget about building a decent body....if your slacking on the traiing that simply means to me that your probably slacking on the nutrtion side aswell...are you eating 6 meals a day like spade...egg whites,chicken breast,steak everyday...7 days a week....i never slack and i can tell you im waaaaay stronger and larger than when i did sHIT .I would never go back to it.
pmango"it allows bodybuilders to be broader more well balanced people"....NO what HIT does is allow you to get smaller and weaker....hence the reason you see all hit trainers are small.Like is said you have to put the time in to look good.Mentzer did...he didnt train 15 to 20 minutes a week you know....he was banging his body 4 days a week minimum,plus cardio,plus drugs...and wasnt using a 4-2-4 cadence.
spade" wrong Mentzer in an interview said 12 weeks out he would train less and more intense and wouldn't even train the last 2 weeks. Spade, you really have to admit that even volume trainers train less and less and are doing more and more supersets etc (high intensity style)
They only use supersets usually precontest...off season they use mostly staright sets so you can use a heavier weight...as for mentzer he said he would train less....but hes never specific....remember he uses that just to try and sell his books.Most pros still do 15 to 20 sets a bodypart.....just look st some of the videos up here....cutler in one of them says he prefers volume
spade: ummm you do realize that the ENTIRE exercise equipment industry took versions of Jone's cam to make their machines, right? Cybex, bodymaster, look at almost any machine besides Hammer strength, and the cam is a Nautilus rip-off. Nautilus didn't lose market share because it was shit, they lost because of MARKETING!!! HIT is no joke, my back grew again. My bi's grew too, and now I have only directly trained them ONCE in a month...I used to do at least 9 sets for bi's..
bullshit..quit giving this arthur jones idiot credit for everything...take a good look at him....do you think for a second i would listen to this skinny four eyed fucking runt give me advice on training.....no thanks....ill take it from someone who actually works out and has something to show for it.....proof is in the pudding after all...as for his pulley and cambs.....the egyptians were using that shit hundreds of years ago...
spade: Egyptians did did it...& JONES APPLIED it to EXERCISE EQUIPMENT!! Equipment that allows the SAME amount of weight-tension THRU-OUT entire movement!! Egyptians didn't do that. The guys who trained on his equipment PROVE it. (roid users & natural) Yeah good idea: Im an ectomorph (who built myself into an ecto / meso) & I don't want training tips from a roided out freak in the gym. actually i did "learn" from other gym rats and they all did the same thing: overtrain & maybe gain 1lb a year
They peopl you learned from must be retards that dont know what their doing...as for th juice its part of the game.The people that trained on hs equipment proved nothing.....look at the videos up here....and as for the pros that used it they were already big before using it and on juice.
spade: name call all you want: volume training only produces about 1 to 2lbs of muscle a year...because everyone overtrains...I am a 20 year volume trainer saying this...HIT has opened my eyes..too bad you are so set in your ways..
1 to 2lbs a year.hahahahahah maybe if you have crap genetics....i gain a lot more than that...on a good cycle i can gain 25lbs in 2 months.First time i took dbol i gained 14 pounds in 3 weeks.LOL
Casey Viator? I guess spade121981 never heard of him.... By the way, Arthur Jones trained Sergio Oliva and Franco Colombu, both of them happened to beat The Arnlod. Jones' training techniques have to mean something. Dont you think? SandyRoxMySox, dont bother with that fag anymore. Ok?
Yeah ...actually i have...but i guess you never heard he trained mostly volume before meeting jones...and as for sergio and franco they trained mostly in volume style...it doesnt mean beacuse he did half a dozen workouts with jones that he kept training in hit style...does it...the majority of his workouts were volume style
Progressive overload is required for gains. HIT involves progressive overload. Therefore, HIT works. Simple as that. You have to know how to apply it. The problem is many people just want a program, they don't want to know why it is the way it is, or how to adjust it over time. So if they don't see gains, they blame the program rather than their ignorance.
Isn't the humanbody the same, physiologically?I.E., we breathe the same, we breakdown food the same, we get rid of waste the same, we grow/tear muscle the same, etc. So by that same token, shouldn't one workout that works for 1 person, give "similar" results for another? OF COURSE. But Bodybuilding Magazines and other powerful entities don't want you to know this, why???IT's A BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS!!! HIT Works, you just have to know how to use it. Does it turn you into the HULK? NO.
What it can do, is give you incredible results with less time. The key is INTENSITY. Read about the man, Mr.Arthur Jones, before some of you start making retarded comments and ACTUALLY do the workout, for a few months, not one time for 10 minutes-crap.
If Nautilus machines had produced an army of huge lifters then there would be no need for discussion. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Nautilus machines were everywhere. I was a member of a Nautilus gym at age 14. HIT theory has been put to the test and while not worthless it is no better than anything else (except in theory!). Nautilus equipment didn't facilitate any magnificent gains. Yet Jones' worshipers still worship. WHY? Why worship a god who never delivers?
Nautilus,(HIT) along with many other equipment, has produced many champions. Dorian Yates, for one. Lee Labrada, Mike and Ray Mentzer, Casey Viator, Arron Baker, Mark Dugdale, Sergio Olivia and even Frank Zane after he retired from competitive bodybuilding.
"Nautilus,(HIT) along with many other equipment, has produced many champions. Dorian Yates, for one. Lee Labrada, Mike and Ray Mentzer, Casey Viator, Arron Baker, Mark Dugdale, Sergio Olivia and even Frank Zane after he retired from competitive bodybuilding.".....
Predictable that you'd throw them out. But surely, if you've studied the iron game at all, you know that NONE of them built their bodies with HIT. ALL, including Mentzer, built their bodies with volume, drugs and free weights.
Are you questioning my experience in iron game? I know more about training and bodybuilding more than you'll ever know, dude! Mentzer, Yates, Viator and co. were proponents of HIT, using a combination of frees weights and yes, machines (preferrably Nautilus) whether you liked it or not. As far steroids goes, yes they did. Big freakin deal. Who didn't. That is needed, in the quest for the best physique on contest time. Their workout were brutal and brief compared to the other counterparts.
I have no reason to believe that you know more about the iron game than me. Either way, it is irrelivant. What is at question is wether the guys you mentioned were HIT guys. While Mentzer was obviously into HIT, he didn't use it AT ALL to build the body that won him contests. Viator was already huge when he hooked up with Jones. Oliva's career was done and over when HIT came into existance and the rest dabbled with HIT (who hasn't) but it was NEVER their primary means of gaining mass.
I don't know where you've been in the last 36 years, dude. Maybe you died, and archaeologists dug you up, because your are not up with the times. Mentzer trained HD most of his career. Spending no more than 25 minutes for each bodypart---trained. He included several of his prinicples, from his version of pre-fatigued supersets to rest-pause. All done in brutal fashion, so the workouts were brief and infrequent.
Mentzer did NOT train HIT to produce the body that won him contests. Neither did Viator or Oliva. Modern guys who have used HIT were not die hard fanatics like Mentzer was. Yates only dabbled in it...YEARS after his initial success. If The science in HIT is valid then the results of the Colorado experiment should be repeatable...right? Ok..you'll say viator had a genetic advantage. Fine. The average guy should be able to get 1/3 of Viators gain. Why does it never work in the real world?
Mentzer, Yates, and Viator all used HIT in careers. I don't where you get your idiotic assumptions. Either your too dumb or too blind to know any better. Their workouts were short and brief than the workouts Arnold and his adversaries were doing.
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"Their workouts were short[er] and brief[er] than the workouts Arnold and his adversaries were doing."....
Everyone's workouts were shorter than Arnolds. That doesn't mean they were doing HIT. If you want to think that the guys you mentioned built themselves with HIT, go ahead. Why should I care? But it IS fiction. Again, if HIT is true science the results of Colorado should be repeatable. It's been 30 years....where are the flocks of huge HITters? HIT's been tested and rejected.
I don't know what to tell you, dude. If you want to conjure in your mind that Mike, Dorian and the others, didn't do HIT, that's your perogative. I really don't give a damn, one way or another. HIT was, and is not only used in bodybuilding, but strenth sports, such as college and professional football. Maybe, it was rejected by your own experience.
actually, most people can do HIT because its too much work. viator started hit after the 1970 mr.america, where he weighed in at 175lbs (did not finish) after training with jones viator shot to 215lbs to win the 1971 mr.america....modern guys are dumbfucks who use drug cycles to achieve their muscle size and all of them are as dumb as bricks
casey weighed in excess odf 215 before he ever met jones. He had gotten into a car accident and lost 40lbs and was with jones when he gained it back. Viator by his own admission was on a shitload of steroids before, during and after he worked with jones. he left jones because of money. if you believe anyone can develop a physique like viator's without drugs the you are the dumbfuck.
Casey Viator was not very big when he approached Arthur Jones in 73. He was 168 lbs. when he started the Colorado Experiment after an Industrial accident he had at his place of employment, after 4years of inactivity. He gained over 60 lbs. of muscle in 28 Days! He used Nautilus equiment--exclusively, 3 days a week, training the entire body each session. You know the story.
Casey Viator....he WAS big before meeting Jones...just not RIGHT before meeting Jones. Yeah Yeah Yeah, industrial accident...lost a finger....didn't train for 4 MONTHS (not years!)....went to Jones small and skinny. According to the reports he gained over 60lbs. in 29 days while losing fat. Reality: Muscle memory and DRUGS were the reason he was able to gain so fast (assuming it was even true). There was no magic in the machines. Again...was it true???? Could Jones repeat these results?
Casey Viator was obviouly a world contender before 73, but in 73, he was only 168 lbs., whether you believe or not, dude! You know the story, so I feel there's no need repeat to you. Combination between HIT and Nautilus was the tools needed to workout in that particular month. I'm sure chemicals played a role in that, also. Who wasn't doing drugs in bodybuilding.
As far Sergio Olivia goes, he trained under the tuledge of Arthur Jones in 72 (HIT). Arthur worked Sergio like dog, to get him in his all time best shape in Essen, Germany, where finished second behind Arnold, in what was one of the most controversal Olympias, in history! Some people (including Arnold, himself) said Sergio, deserved the winning honors. Sergio was a genetic monster than had arms were bigger than his head!
Sergio won the Olympia and many other titles in the 60's, years before he met jones. He started his career under the guidance of Bob Gajda (before Jones) in Chicago using the training methods and equipment of the time. He had a long list of accomplishement before he ever even touched a machine or met Jones. Nautilus did not create the Myth....Barbells did.
I never said Nautilus created Sergio. If you read my posts correctly, I stated that Jones helped train Sergio in 72, using combination of free weights (namely squats, and bench presses) and his machines tp get him in shape for that particular Olympia. HIT training. Sergio never regained that condition after 72. Sergio often stated that Jones, was the only honest man he met in bodybuilding. Nautilus was an aid in getting him in the best shape, possible.
Saying that barbells fail to meet a basic REQUIREMENT of exercise is absurd. If that were true it would stand to reason that no one has ever gained any significant mass using barbells. The fact is that the majority who HAVE gained mass have done it using barbells and a very limited regimine of coumpound movements. Men performed feats of strength 50-100 years ago that few could do today even with steroids and machines. The failure is not in the equipment....it's in the character of the men.
While the barbell defintely has merit and is responsible for building more physiques than Nautilus ever did. Nautilus is more refined than it's counterpart, Putting it's working bodypart in a pre-stretch position. It's offset cam design allows this to happen. Modern machines do it better and more efficiently. You can still be hardcore, and train brutally, while training on Nautilus.
So many of you guys want to potray Arthur Jones as some sort of brilliant, infalible pioneer with infinate wisdom. In reality he was just some guy who had a thoery of exercise and built some machines. His machines weren't that spectacular. Some of them were crap. They played no part in producing huge muscles. There were no Nautilus super heros...and don't point to Casey Viator. he was big before he met Jones and of course took a mountain of drugs.
Not one indiviual had greater impact on fitness and phyical therepy treatments than this man. Credited by many as being a mechanical genius, Jones's quest to improve his personal fitness level guided him to analyze the shortcomings of barbell training. Self-evident truth, gleaned from years of barbell exercise, indicated the one major flaw of barbell training: barbells do not supply the basic requirement for exercise, which is variable resistance, throughout the complete range-of motion.
The "basic requirement for exercise" is to progressively overload the muscles and to naturally raises testosterone and GH levels. Progressive overload is not complicated. It certainly does not require Nautilus machines. Naturally raising test/GH can only be accomplished with compound, multi-joint movements. Isolation exercises (like Nautilus machines) serve NO purpose in the quest for mass. NO ONE has ever gained serious mass using machines. They are better than nothing but far from ideal.
Your right, progressive overload is not complicated at all. The overload aspect can be achieved, by barbell or any machine in market today, if it is done correctly within the realm of their design. Nautilus can do what is was intended to due it's ingenius comfiguration, designed by Arthur Jones. As far as your claim stating that no one has gained suffient muscle mass is absolutely false. If that were the case, no gyms in the world, would have these machines for people to use.
He was a family friend. One time I asked him when he was going to write his biography...he laughed and said he would have to leave the planet afterwards. Mu uncles worked with him many years. Mr. Jones flew his own Cessana Citation. He had a TV series for a while that my uncle provided animals for. It was called "Capture" and was on the the early and middle 60's. Both were one of a kind charaters in their own ways...
a clown that is all. he was trying to sell something that is all. there is no one answer to bodybuilding , everything works.remember boyer coe did hidden extra sets , and arnold got smaller.
This was great! He was toying with and very well countered everything Letterman said. I've never seen Letterman so schooled by any of his guests. Jones must be smart as a whip and mentally quite intuitive.
Great vid! No part 2?
iluvmym4 1 week ago
hah...damn...that used to be an ugly ass set
nonchalantd 2 weeks ago
If anybody doesn't think Jones was a great inventor and a "larger than life" human being, just compare him with an impostor like Steve Jobs.
faffaflunkie 3 weeks ago
@RSBSTEADICAM,I'm always confused and irritated why people as yourself ,find videos that have persons and or subjects that you abhor and spew your venomous nonsense in the form of a comment.Save it ,nobody really gives a f#$k anyways.Out of curiosity who is Gordon Lindy?Do you mean G.Gordon Liddy?The only person who served time in the Watergate Scandal.Rugged individualism in America is an almost antiquated relic of the past now because of the pussies who run the country and sheople like you.
bounty2501 4 months ago
Unfortunately Jones being somewhat out of place during this interview didn't appreciate the fine art of the "sound bite".
faffaflunkie 4 months ago
The truth and what was edited from this aired segment was that when Letterman was in the machine and tried to make a joke AJ kicked him and got mad for DL’s not performing the exercise correctly. DL makes a gracious recovery, the segment ended and AJ was never asked back on any of Letterman’s shows ever again nor did Letterman ever make a reference to AJ ever again!
RSBSTEADICAM 5 months ago
AJ was a villainous, self-indulgent, self-centered sociopath. Unfortunately thru misunderstanding, manipulation, press & downright fraud he is seen as a hero & (even more unfortunately) someone or something to aspire to. That he facilitated dreams & celebrity is simply akin to the notoriety of (his pal) Gordon Lindy or Richard Nixon who simply denied (or dismissed) the lives that were destroyed through their actions. As in most cases the biggest fans simply do not know or simply deny the truth.
RSBSTEADICAM 5 months ago
I wish arthur just grabbed dave letterman in headlock n punched him repeatedly.
bootiack 6 months ago
@bootiack Why? Letterman was just asking the guy questions. Do you carry a gun?Your company is successful. Do you know about how much is it worth. You must have a good knowledge of anatomy etc. This guy was being a dick.
sz42781 1 week ago
This was an odd interview - there seemed to be a gulf between the two participants that couldn't be bridged. Jones was a serious, single-minded craftsman with not much sense of public image, while Letterman's an entertainer trying to draw out not only the substance, but the flair, of his guests. Jones had lots of substance but little flair, which made this discussion kind of disconnected.
Tigerpaws9097826 8 months ago
the reporter dosen't get it :))
noxBrutalis 9 months ago
I'm not getting any audio on this video.
rblongfellow 9 months ago
JONES = GENIUS
75freeman 10 months ago
@75freeman He read his fathers' complete medical book collection by the age of 10!
1Grosvenor3 8 months ago
arthur jones one of my idols, awesome
bootiack 10 months ago
Man this is vintage.
tyciol 10 months ago
he sounds like Morgan Freeman!
kingnek 11 months ago
@kingnek Freeman sounds like him... Jones is 10 years older than him :) R.I.P.
SR4LosersIsMYBITCH 7 months ago
Just one question. Where the hell is part two.
faffaflunkie 11 months ago 2
I love Arthue, but boy does he make this interview difficult for Letterman. Probably because Letterman didn't ask him any intelligent questions!
jlebesis 1 year ago
he handled letterman like a man handles a naughty kid.
deejin25 1 year ago
man,Arthur seems like a jerk here.o_O but the man is a legend.may he R.I.P. Nautilus 4ever.
SpinDoctor91 1 year ago
@SpinDoctor91 Letterman has a tendency to be jerky anyways. Letterman really likes to push some of his guests, he gets off on it, and Jones probably knew this, which is why he comes off as a jerk because he won't stand for bullshit, like he said time is short.
drunkdonutboy 1 year ago
@drunkdonutboy
well that is kinda true.lol i see your point...
SpinDoctor91 1 year ago
Lol the simplicity of Arthur Jones logic befuddles Letterman's puny brain
andycf87 1 year ago
@kamytabe it's simple. Money talks, bullshit walks
bronco200005 1 year ago
the guy is a living legend...just passed away recently, way ahead of his time and a few pals of mine knew him
toddholden 1 year ago
this guy is so ugly and yet he got a supermodel wife, i have no idea how he got her....
kamutabe 1 year ago
@kamutabe Could it have been fame, millions, brains, personality and his ability to succeed in life?
deejin25 1 year ago
Really enjoyed this interview. Does anybody know the date of this?
byront 1 year ago
First of all Jones was a rare person who just didn't care about money. On that point Jones' success has to do with the fact that a "health studio" or gym cannot make a profit on free weights. Once they got a glimpse of Jones' machines they saw the potential for profit and Jones became the toast of that vile industry. "One set per body part" just doesn't make sense (but it gets people out of the gym faster). Buy an olympic bar and several hundred pounds of weights ($120) and "HIT" will work fine.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago 2
i liked some of the equipment but i really hate the concept or hit . find a pro or even natural pro that uses hit and gets anywhere. dorian and dave henry used versions that have some concepts of hit and mike mentzer really got in depth on it "AFTER HE RETIRED". mike never got anywhere using hit and didnt start pushing it on people until after he retired to make money. so show me a person that gets results and can actually progress for long periods of time with hit
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
Look at this guy's forehead.
RyanDJamieson 1 year ago
Jones was half his size and twice his age and still looked like he could kick Letterman's ass.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie HIT in no way = greater ass kicking ability and obviously by most "HIT" trainees on youtube... HIT doesnt = muscle mass either because for as much effort as i see people putting into this workout on youtube they look no greater than a noob
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 Well for one, Jones lived on nicotine and apparently didn't eat much so so much for Jones' size. But Casey Viator and Sergio Oliva were two of Jones' training subjects and you can't argue that those two (Viator and Oliva) didn't have size or "ass kicking ability" (Oliva by the way was a policeman in Chicago).
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie what does being a policeman have to do with anything? my brother is a police man and a 2nd dan in Shotokon. ronnie coleman is 300lbs and a police man in texas. anybody can be a policeman. ronnie coleman couldnt kick your ass because he couldnt catch you. casey vaitor had some of the greatest genetics ever and hardcore into steroids. no way can you compete or stand next to even a natural pro using this style of training. put casey up to any natural pro and he would get slammed
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 I never heard of Viator using 'roids. Oliva did but Jones claimed he got him (Oliva) off the "juice". If anyone had arms bigger than Oliva I haven't seen them. MACHINES are crap and you will probably get no where using them but "HIT" works IF you do the "hard" exercises no one wants to do (weighted dips and pullups, heavy squats and deadlifts).
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie you cant tell me casey vaitor didnt you steroids thats crazy talk man.. i dont believe machines are crap. they are just another tool in the box for bodybuilders to do their jobs with. just like any other job you need tools and machines are some of the tools bodybuilders use. if all these machine would have been around during the start of bodybuilding they would have been used then too. bodybuilders use anything they can to get ahead of the competition.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
read this digilander (.) libero (.) it/iompao/interview (.) html
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 Jones always denied his trainees (with the exception of Oliva) used "juice". As for "machines", anything that makes exercise "easier" is bad. In the HIT videos posted here (on youtube) you will not ever see anyone (Mike Mentzer included) do a weighted dip, pull up, squat or deadlift. Real HIT training works, but what you see on youtube is a piss poor version of the practice.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie on just about every version of mike's hit he had some form of machine. on this last video HIT.. he had pec deck, incline machine bench, machine pull over, tricep dip machine, leg press, leg extensions, leg curls, and standing calf raise machine. his first 2 books even put huge emphasis on parallel bar dips and reverse grip chins up in which you did 6-10 reps.. one you reached 10 reps you added weight to yourself. i think your confused on what HIT is.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
if you want to know the truth about HIT training ask markus who was in the HIT dvd who trained along with mike for a long time and still practices HIT to the T. his youtube channel name is mrhighintensity . machines are a huge part of HIT because they allow you to safely take the muscles past failure in a safe manner. practicing HIT on on incline barbell press, barbell shoulder press, or skull crushers especially training alone is near impossible and very dangerous. HIT is huge focus on machine
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 Just what do YOU think it (HIT) is. Dorian Yates practiced "HIT" and looked every bit as perfect as the "juiced" Oliva and the "genetically gifted" Viator. As for the "danger" of HIT, if you are concerned about your safety (a reasonable concern), Jones himself recommended the enlistment of training partners "strong of back and weak of mind". If you can find some old timer at a gym he might advise you on how to do heavy exercises safely (including squats) "unassisted".
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie wrong again dude, yates did heavy duty.. not hit... two different training methods. heavy duty was multiple exercises for multiple muscle groups and trained way more frequent. not to mention arthur jones made a full line of machines called nautilus if you havent heard of them. that is what he considered to be HIT training and it was almost ALL machines. i know what hit is . your talking different training styles that resemble HIT bc you dont know the actual HIT program itself
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 You still haven't answered my question. Just what do you believe "HIT" is. Dorian Yates was a vocal proponent of "High Intensity" (no matter what YOU call it). And why don't you think HIT does not involve "multiple exercises for multiple muscle groups" (it can)? As for Arthur Jones, some time after this appearance he sold his company for $13 million (he had an estimated yearly gross of $200 million, mostly profit) and went on record stating that his Nautilus line was unnecessary.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie yes the line was unnecassary as in they didnt need a whole line of machines for it because they already had them. the point was he marketed HIT with these machines and essentially brought out hit into the mainstream. millions of people starting working out after this idea came out because of the idea working out with limited time and not having to worry about dangerous free weights which a lot of people were concerned about thats why he made the machines.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie and the original HIT was only 1 exercise per body part until failure with a moderate paced cadence, no momentum, and forced reps/negatives training 3 times a week and eventually when the body got adapted training was cut down to 2 times per week then eventually 1 training day every 7- days. HEAVY DUTY which dorian yates did was multiple exercise ranging from 2-4 Per muscle group with a controlled cadence, negatives/forced reps and training a lot more frequent.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie dorian himself has stated in many interviews that he does not do hit and he was never trained BY a hit trainer like mike mentzer. he trained with him a few times and took some principles from him like training more intense with fewer sets but he never took the route of training with only 1 exercise per bodypart like HIT was. he believed you needed to hit muscles from multiple angles to stimulate them and they needed to be hit more frequent.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie so again, i gave you the true definition of what the original hit was and also the definition of what dorian yates used called HEAVY DUTY. a few of the same principles but in no way the same training methods. there are many different branches off of the original hit including Heavy duty and DC training but none of those are the actual HIT program. this isnt what i "believe" . those are the facts. there is only 1 HIT program which markus still trains people in.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@MrRanger1987 Well, maybe I phrased it wrong. Arthur Jones himself stated that the barbell was "perfect". Jones certainly trained in "high intensity" fashion BEFORE Nautilus machines (he hadn't invented them yet). This begs the question, if the barbell is "perfect" (as Jones stated) why was the exercise machine invented? And why was a man who admittedly sold something so redundant a legend in the exercise industry (which he despised). And why do health studios buy machines instead of barbells.
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie that doesnt raise a hard question at all.... look at the interview on him on david letterman some years back. he said it took him some 10 years to make those machines though so he had to put some love and dedication into making them and the reason behind them. he refused to talk about how much he made, how much he was worth any of that stuff. yes he made a lot of money but he never marketed it about money.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie he found the best program he could find that he could push to the public.. working out less to get more results and then he found a way to benefit even more off of that by making machines specific for people who wanted the quick workout from machine to machine without the needs of spotters and being scared of the free weights like people tend to be. he made so much money because it was a great concept to workout less get more results and be safer as doing so
MrRanger1987 1 year ago 9
@faffaflunkie if you have ever been to a gym you know the reason why machines are there... if used properly they are a great addition to barbell training. but most gym market safely, training alone, and of course the newer machine era in health clubs was geared towards middle aged women who thought lifting barbells and heavy weights would bulk them up. everytime i go to a gym i still find it rare to find a female lifting free weights.
MrRanger1987 1 year ago
@faffaflunkie and dorian was juiced outa his mine
bootiack 4 months ago
@bootiack actually dorian didnt use too much drugs and his doses were not that high, your just saying random assumptions
zkb24 1 month ago
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bootiack 4 months ago
Dave=Asshole
theDrumkilla 1 year ago
thankyou for posting this vid of this great cleaver man! some of these picks posting bad coments need shooting!
MrHeavyDutynz 1 year ago
dave was a real weasely little douche back then
msa1985 1 year ago
jones was a dickhead
mad1966dog 1 year ago
Buck Strickland Hold's board meetings in the Crapper also .
SOLIE6226 1 year ago
what a ugly fuck
DXvsnWo1 1 year ago
yea letterman is butt ugly... Jones is the fucking man!!!
andycf87 1 year ago
Damn that Sullivan Law!
faffaflunkie 1 year ago
he sounds like Morgan Freeman lol
urb3stm8 2 years ago
Letterman at his creepiest.
faffaflunkie 2 years ago
This guy was a member of a lost breed and is exstinct .He is the definition of rugged American individualism,independence and hard headedness.
xxdonaldqxx 2 years ago 33
@xxdonaldqxx Well said. Well said.
shanatp 2 years ago
@xxdonaldqxx WELL SAID,SIR
thecaseymcfadin 2 years ago
weres part 2
DXvsnWo1 2 years ago
what year was this?
DXvsnWo1 2 years ago
his machines are well designed
ronyboy40 2 years ago
This guy's a freak, so is Letterman
SteroidsFTW1 2 years ago
as for that lying cunt Marcus..check out his chest/tricep video.hes clearly pushing the weight in less than 2 seconds....so much for taking mikes advice and using a -4-2-4 cadence.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: in mikes underground seminar, even Mike said 4-2-4 was a GUIDE...he said the point is to make sure its the MUSCLE that is doing the lifting NOT momentum...he even said if you are off 1.2 seconds it doesnt matter as long as there is no momentum. Have you ever watch his underground seminar?
pmango1000 2 years ago
Yeah...many people asked for their money back after attending that seminar...i wonder if beethovens7th and exarchives benefitted from it....no wait...ive seen their videos ..obvioulsy not.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: whatever...my point is even Mike said 424 was just a guide
pmango1000 2 years ago
not in the video he didnt.LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
where are all these great HIt physiques?...i dont see any....not a pro or top amateur not a even a local ham n egger you see down at your gym.....where are all these great hit physiques?
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: as Mike would say "most pros are technically "knuckleheads"...Markus Ruhl is a pro, but dont tell me for one minute he would grow from those psychotic overtraining sessions without loads of roids...he doesnt look healthy at all..I know he is an extreme example...BUT
One of the few volume pros of today who seems to have a clear mind, trains smart, and isnt roided to the max is Tony Freeman- XMan..(unless I am wrong) he just grows overtime and never looks bloated
pmango1000 2 years ago
I dont like ruhls physique...as for health..when money talks..health goes out the window.Like lee priest said.youre going to die one day anyway>LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: I dont like his physique either but....I also wouldn't listen to him if he gave me advice....$ does talk and for $100k payout at top shows and endorsements and guest posing etc, I can see why they do it. So Spade...are you doing that show in Vegas you mentioned before?
pmango1000 2 years ago
Im going to Vegas 12th may to 16th....and my mission is to find that lying cunt Marcus....he claims he trains at lvac on flamingo...so thats where i'll start.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade:LOL...I thought you were doing a bbing show that weekend... that's hilarious how you are after MR so bad...come on give him credit he has won some good shows and looks like he went natural, and he is making a living in fitness...
pmango1000 2 years ago
No its a personl grudge i want to settle.....some living aswell..offerring 2 for 1 specials...kinda like how pizza parlors do.LOL...
spade121981 2 years ago
You know i never started this grudge with Marcus ...he did.I said mentzers books were only good for propping up a table with a short leg and he came back with a reply insulting me.He blocks people on his videos and only leaves up comments that feed his ego
spade121981 2 years ago
pmango...since you like that seminar soooo much ..take a look at the guy that posted it...zero legs(hence the sweatpants in ALL his videos),doesnt train to failure,doesnt use a 4-2-4 cadence...and yet claims he trains in HIt style.....in fact on one of his videos someone aksed him why he didnt use a 4-2-4 cadence and he said he couldnt gain any strength that way....gee what a surprise....oh yeah he also seems to be under the illusional that supps actually do something ahahahahahahahhaahahah
spade121981 2 years ago
..as for that seminar that came out Before HIS HIT VIDEO...and in the video he clearly states use a 4-2-4 cadence and even slower for legs....as for being set in my ways... i tried hit and it did absolutely nothing except make me lose size and strength....would never bother with it again
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: funny, but my weights keep going up using HIT and I have bodyparts growing that had not grown in years...maybe I was volume training wrong and you didn't apply HIT correctly...having said that, HIT is a true learning process and I have yet to apply it 100% as its very difficult.. but I have still made gains..
pmango1000 2 years ago
Oh i tried hit right to the t and it still did nothing...hit trainers always use that excuse.....let me know when you see one person.....just one....who looks good training only 15 to 20 minutes a week..it can be a pro,amateur or a ham n egger....you choose...and dont say beethovens 7th who i could post through my front mailbox hes so skinny.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: well that amateur will be me in one year as with my small bone structure and 28" waist (contest shape), I only need to put on about another 10 to 20 lbs to have the "Benfatto 1985" look" ...well not really but I will be very proportioned. Benfatto to me at the '90 Olympia was bodybuilding at its best. Benfatto at 175lbs beat many 220+ lbers
pmango1000 2 years ago
pmango1000...post a video of you doing a hit set...you choose the bodypart...and ill review it.If you look good and train to failure and i mean failure...where tears are almost running down your face ....and ill give credit where credits due.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: I feel like crying every set I do....although I will admit its really hard to go to failure on squats..LOL...but I dont pause at the top to make it more intense and go down nice and slow and the tension is 100%
pmango1000 2 years ago
How about a hit video from you? you choose the bodypart...im sure it wil be better than what ive seen up here so far
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: next year I will post
pmango1000 2 years ago
Why not this year?...you said you've made some good gains...if your smaller thats ok..just want to see a proper hit set in process
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: give me a couple more months then maybe...I hope to prove to lot of people that HIT works..I had a friend of mine do it and he seems to like it and his back grew lie the second week too..he too admits its a learning experience...you really need someone spotting and pushing you...but the intensity is up to you
pmango1000 2 years ago
ok...let me know when you have it up.What state do yo live in?
spade121981 2 years ago
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pmango1000 2 years ago
Ive been through there a few times...the chicago area perhaps,or peoria or further down towards st louis?I have a friend that lives in carol stream(suburb of chicago)
spade121981 2 years ago
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pmango1000 2 years ago
spade: I will say this: doing a set of machine pullovers to failure followed by a set of close grip pulldowns or wide grip chins to failure is a very painful experience and its really all you need to do as I am sore for 3 days after that...I also sometimes deadlift on those days too. I did just squats, deads, close grip pulldowns and weighted dips for a month & I got bigger..now I am back to doing isolation super setted with a compound..like flys before inclines...extensions before squats etc
pmango1000 2 years ago
ok...i let me know how you progress.Its feeding time now.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade do you suffer from floppy dick because of the roids you take
DXvsnWo1 2 years ago
Are you lacking knowledge when it comes to juice....answer = yes....you figure it out....do some reading shit for brains.
spade121981 2 years ago
i may not be a huge roid freak but at least i can get it up
DXvsnWo1 2 years ago
so can I.....obviously you dont know much about juice
spade121981 2 years ago
The fact that there is not one single champion bodybuilder alive today that ONLY uses free weights is ample testimony to Jones' ideas about machines.
By today's standards the old Nautilus machines are inferior - but if it weren't for Jones, companies like Cybex and Hammer Strength would have never come into existence.
altratronic 2 years ago
he was on to something but i don't think he got it 100%. BUT he did get a piece of the puzzle. need more recovery than previously though. Trigger growth for strength (as opposed to volume work for bodybuilding).etc .
Of course bodybuilding is slightly different but he had something. RESPECT TO HIM
AIMANALI 2 years ago
Take your head for a shit.. ! Educate yourself :previous comment
lazarus554 2 years ago
More like something was wrong with nautilus.....hence the reason you cant find that shitty equipment in almost any gym...and for good reason....but you can still find barbells and dumbells.....another thing Jones the arrogant fuck was wrong about.
spade121981 2 years ago
Spade121981, Jones predicted in his Nautilus Bulletins that barbells would be more popular than ever. How was he wrong about that? Maybe you should actually READ some of his work.
SandyRoxMySox 2 years ago
Sure he did...i guess thats why he kept trying to promote his Nautilus crap equipment so much..which went nowhere by the way....just like HIT....as for reading his articles..no thanks...I prefer to read articles from people that have actually have spent time training.LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
If they went nowhere then why was he so stinking rich??? Bodybuilders (especially pros) may have available time and drugs to waste on shitty, lengthy training routines but other athletes don't. I guess that's why many NFL clubs purchased shit loads of his equipment in bulk, and sent some of their stars all the way to Lake Helen for training...
SandyRoxMySox 2 years ago
He was already wealthy before Nautilus...thats why...and as far as lengthy routines go...thats what works...not training once a week for 15 to 20 minutes.....let me know when you see a pro or top amatuer training like that...god luck ...because you wont find one....you know why...because it doesnt work....and you wont find one single peice of Nautilus equipment in any gym either.LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
Take a look at all the HIt videos on youtube and ALL THE PEOPLE are small...gee what a coincidence....take a look at ALL the top amatuers and pros who use volume and their all big...hmmmm i wonder which routine works better?...thats right randysuckscocks volume training.LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: I have yet to any of those guys in youtube videos who claim to be HIT lifters even doing it correclty...come on now...most of those guys think they are applyingHIT because they fly from machine to machine...that's not HIT!! The only one doing it correclty are the vids with Mentzer, and yes, Markus wimps out on some of the lifts...others he gives it all and goes to failure
pmango1000 2 years ago
I have yet to see one single person use hit 15 to 20 minutes a week thats a top pro or amateur.....the nautilus equipment was dogshit..i used some of it years ago and it was crap...hence the reason it went like the dinosaurs.Your life might not be consumed by training 4 or 5 days week....but i got a newsflash for you....thats what it takes.Training 15 to 20 minutes a week does absolutley nothing.i noticed how you never mentioned anything about your legs only your arms and back..
spade121981 2 years ago
..yeah..but the whole point is to train to failure EVERY workout when using sHIT...noT now and again like Marcus the lying is doing....infact i dont see him going to failure in any of his videos...no wonder hes shrinking.....and as for Hitpadawan hes a complete moron aswell...sits therees saying he does Hit and yet admits he isnt able to take a leg workout to faiulure...pllllllease....no wonder he so small.
spade121981 2 years ago
If your too lazy to put in more than 15 minutes a week in the gym (which is the main reason people use sHIT, but of course get nothing from it), then you can forget about having a good body,,,,as for the juice thats just part of the game,,,i use it and have no hangs up about it...and neither did Mentzer....maybe it AJ had used some too and actually trained instead of just talking he might have weighed more than 90lbs soaking wet.LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
I highly doubt, Arthur ever trained anyone for just 15 minutes a week. Still, in any case he definately trained people less than 4-5 hours a day for 6 days a week, e.g. Arnold.
SandyRoxMySox 2 years ago
Oh I love those self-proclaimed volume trainers. I highly doubt many (if any) have ever tried a REAL volume program. Doing more than one set does NOT make someone a volume trainer. Bulgarian Olympic weightlifting, or Arnold Schwarzenegger bodybuilding are the real volume programs.
SandyRoxMySox 2 years ago
I dont train like that.I never said i did.I train about an hour each workout...4 to 5 workouts a week...that 15 minute a week shit like Mentzer banged on about does absolutley nothing..thats what im referring to.....i know because i tried it.Lost size and strength doing it...soon as started training 4 to 5 days a week again...Presto...all my size and strength came back.....I just finished doing shoulders today...total sets were 21...7 exercises for 3 sets each...fully blasted from every angle.
spade121981 2 years ago
Sure he did...casey viator and sergio are both good examples..That leg workout that sergio was put through consisted of 20 reps leg extension,then 20 reps leg press,then 20 reps squats all in a row...with no rest...trouble is that kind of workout is good for building endurance but does nothing when it comes to building size due to the limited weight you can use...hence the fact most of sergios workout were volume type.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: there are tons of skinny dudes who volume train & do set aimlessly for years too. You have to admit that its not cool for Mags to publish the workouts of the pros & regular guys try to emulate them and over train because they don't ever recover. HIT isn't about laziness, its about "how little exercise does my body require to grow?" It also allows bb's to be broader more well balanced people. Now that I am doing HIT, my life isnt consumed by "I got to be in the gym for an hour tonight"
pmango1000 2 years ago
If your not willing to put the effort in and just want to try and get away with 15 to 20 minutes a week...you can forget about building a decent body....if your slacking on the traiing that simply means to me that your probably slacking on the nutrtion side aswell...are you eating 6 meals a day like spade...egg whites,chicken breast,steak everyday...7 days a week....i never slack and i can tell you im waaaaay stronger and larger than when i did sHIT .I would never go back to it.
spade121981 2 years ago
pmango"it allows bodybuilders to be broader more well balanced people"....NO what HIT does is allow you to get smaller and weaker....hence the reason you see all hit trainers are small.Like is said you have to put the time in to look good.Mentzer did...he didnt train 15 to 20 minutes a week you know....he was banging his body 4 days a week minimum,plus cardio,plus drugs...and wasnt using a 4-2-4 cadence.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade" wrong Mentzer in an interview said 12 weeks out he would train less and more intense and wouldn't even train the last 2 weeks. Spade, you really have to admit that even volume trainers train less and less and are doing more and more supersets etc (high intensity style)
pmango1000 2 years ago
They only use supersets usually precontest...off season they use mostly staright sets so you can use a heavier weight...as for mentzer he said he would train less....but hes never specific....remember he uses that just to try and sell his books.Most pros still do 15 to 20 sets a bodypart.....just look st some of the videos up here....cutler in one of them says he prefers volume
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: ummm you do realize that the ENTIRE exercise equipment industry took versions of Jone's cam to make their machines, right? Cybex, bodymaster, look at almost any machine besides Hammer strength, and the cam is a Nautilus rip-off. Nautilus didn't lose market share because it was shit, they lost because of MARKETING!!! HIT is no joke, my back grew again. My bi's grew too, and now I have only directly trained them ONCE in a month...I used to do at least 9 sets for bi's..
pmango1000 2 years ago
bullshit..quit giving this arthur jones idiot credit for everything...take a good look at him....do you think for a second i would listen to this skinny four eyed fucking runt give me advice on training.....no thanks....ill take it from someone who actually works out and has something to show for it.....proof is in the pudding after all...as for his pulley and cambs.....the egyptians were using that shit hundreds of years ago...
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: Egyptians did did it...& JONES APPLIED it to EXERCISE EQUIPMENT!! Equipment that allows the SAME amount of weight-tension THRU-OUT entire movement!! Egyptians didn't do that. The guys who trained on his equipment PROVE it. (roid users & natural) Yeah good idea: Im an ectomorph (who built myself into an ecto / meso) & I don't want training tips from a roided out freak in the gym. actually i did "learn" from other gym rats and they all did the same thing: overtrain & maybe gain 1lb a year
pmango1000 2 years ago
They peopl you learned from must be retards that dont know what their doing...as for th juice its part of the game.The people that trained on hs equipment proved nothing.....look at the videos up here....and as for the pros that used it they were already big before using it and on juice.
spade121981 2 years ago
spade: name call all you want: volume training only produces about 1 to 2lbs of muscle a year...because everyone overtrains...I am a 20 year volume trainer saying this...HIT has opened my eyes..too bad you are so set in your ways..
pmango1000 2 years ago
1 to 2lbs a year.hahahahahah maybe if you have crap genetics....i gain a lot more than that...on a good cycle i can gain 25lbs in 2 months.First time i took dbol i gained 14 pounds in 3 weeks.LOL
spade121981 2 years ago
Casey Viator? I guess spade121981 never heard of him.... By the way, Arthur Jones trained Sergio Oliva and Franco Colombu, both of them happened to beat The Arnlod. Jones' training techniques have to mean something. Dont you think? SandyRoxMySox, dont bother with that fag anymore. Ok?
thepat84 2 years ago
Yeah ...actually i have...but i guess you never heard he trained mostly volume before meeting jones...and as for sergio and franco they trained mostly in volume style...it doesnt mean beacuse he did half a dozen workouts with jones that he kept training in hit style...does it...the majority of his workouts were volume style
spade121981 2 years ago
Progressive overload is required for gains. HIT involves progressive overload. Therefore, HIT works. Simple as that. You have to know how to apply it. The problem is many people just want a program, they don't want to know why it is the way it is, or how to adjust it over time. So if they don't see gains, they blame the program rather than their ignorance.
CrazeeJZ 3 years ago
Isn't the humanbody the same, physiologically?I.E., we breathe the same, we breakdown food the same, we get rid of waste the same, we grow/tear muscle the same, etc. So by that same token, shouldn't one workout that works for 1 person, give "similar" results for another? OF COURSE. But Bodybuilding Magazines and other powerful entities don't want you to know this, why???IT's A BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS!!! HIT Works, you just have to know how to use it. Does it turn you into the HULK? NO.
25lbdumbells 3 years ago
What it can do, is give you incredible results with less time. The key is INTENSITY. Read about the man, Mr.Arthur Jones, before some of you start making retarded comments and ACTUALLY do the workout, for a few months, not one time for 10 minutes-crap.
25lbdumbells 3 years ago
Letterman is such an ass --
stevevandien 3 years ago 7
who says it doesn't?
Achillesreborn 3 years ago
If Nautilus machines had produced an army of huge lifters then there would be no need for discussion. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. Nautilus machines were everywhere. I was a member of a Nautilus gym at age 14. HIT theory has been put to the test and while not worthless it is no better than anything else (except in theory!). Nautilus equipment didn't facilitate any magnificent gains. Yet Jones' worshipers still worship. WHY? Why worship a god who never delivers?
mensacyclist 3 years ago
Nautilus,(HIT) along with many other equipment, has produced many champions. Dorian Yates, for one. Lee Labrada, Mike and Ray Mentzer, Casey Viator, Arron Baker, Mark Dugdale, Sergio Olivia and even Frank Zane after he retired from competitive bodybuilding.
neilp77 3 years ago
"Nautilus,(HIT) along with many other equipment, has produced many champions. Dorian Yates, for one. Lee Labrada, Mike and Ray Mentzer, Casey Viator, Arron Baker, Mark Dugdale, Sergio Olivia and even Frank Zane after he retired from competitive bodybuilding.".....
Predictable that you'd throw them out. But surely, if you've studied the iron game at all, you know that NONE of them built their bodies with HIT. ALL, including Mentzer, built their bodies with volume, drugs and free weights.
mensacyclist 3 years ago
Are you questioning my experience in iron game? I know more about training and bodybuilding more than you'll ever know, dude! Mentzer, Yates, Viator and co. were proponents of HIT, using a combination of frees weights and yes, machines (preferrably Nautilus) whether you liked it or not. As far steroids goes, yes they did. Big freakin deal. Who didn't. That is needed, in the quest for the best physique on contest time. Their workout were brutal and brief compared to the other counterparts.
neilp77 3 years ago
I have no reason to believe that you know more about the iron game than me. Either way, it is irrelivant. What is at question is wether the guys you mentioned were HIT guys. While Mentzer was obviously into HIT, he didn't use it AT ALL to build the body that won him contests. Viator was already huge when he hooked up with Jones. Oliva's career was done and over when HIT came into existance and the rest dabbled with HIT (who hasn't) but it was NEVER their primary means of gaining mass.
mensacyclist 3 years ago
I don't know where you've been in the last 36 years, dude. Maybe you died, and archaeologists dug you up, because your are not up with the times. Mentzer trained HD most of his career. Spending no more than 25 minutes for each bodypart---trained. He included several of his prinicples, from his version of pre-fatigued supersets to rest-pause. All done in brutal fashion, so the workouts were brief and infrequent.
neilp77 3 years ago
Mentzer did NOT train HIT to produce the body that won him contests. Neither did Viator or Oliva. Modern guys who have used HIT were not die hard fanatics like Mentzer was. Yates only dabbled in it...YEARS after his initial success. If The science in HIT is valid then the results of the Colorado experiment should be repeatable...right? Ok..you'll say viator had a genetic advantage. Fine. The average guy should be able to get 1/3 of Viators gain. Why does it never work in the real world?
JesusLicksMyNads 3 years ago
Mentzer, Yates, and Viator all used HIT in careers. I don't where you get your idiotic assumptions. Either your too dumb or too blind to know any better. Their workouts were short and brief than the workouts Arnold and his adversaries were doing.
neilp77 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"Their workouts were short[er] and brief[er] than the workouts Arnold and his adversaries were doing."....
Everyone's workouts were shorter than Arnolds. That doesn't mean they were doing HIT. If you want to think that the guys you mentioned built themselves with HIT, go ahead. Why should I care? But it IS fiction. Again, if HIT is true science the results of Colorado should be repeatable. It's been 30 years....where are the flocks of huge HITters? HIT's been tested and rejected.
JesusLicksMyNads 3 years ago
I don't know what to tell you, dude. If you want to conjure in your mind that Mike, Dorian and the others, didn't do HIT, that's your perogative. I really don't give a damn, one way or another. HIT was, and is not only used in bodybuilding, but strenth sports, such as college and professional football. Maybe, it was rejected by your own experience.
neilp77 3 years ago
actually, most people can do HIT because its too much work. viator started hit after the 1970 mr.america, where he weighed in at 175lbs (did not finish) after training with jones viator shot to 215lbs to win the 1971 mr.america....modern guys are dumbfucks who use drug cycles to achieve their muscle size and all of them are as dumb as bricks
jhail18 3 years ago 5
casey weighed in excess odf 215 before he ever met jones. He had gotten into a car accident and lost 40lbs and was with jones when he gained it back. Viator by his own admission was on a shitload of steroids before, during and after he worked with jones. he left jones because of money. if you believe anyone can develop a physique like viator's without drugs the you are the dumbfuck.
bigfattrolllord 2 years ago
what's a brick?
muscleoffigus 2 years ago
jesuslicksmynads..... SOMEBODY grew up with ultra-conservative parents... sorry HIT didn't work out for you.
guarani527 3 years ago 2
Casey Viator was not very big when he approached Arthur Jones in 73. He was 168 lbs. when he started the Colorado Experiment after an Industrial accident he had at his place of employment, after 4years of inactivity. He gained over 60 lbs. of muscle in 28 Days! He used Nautilus equiment--exclusively, 3 days a week, training the entire body each session. You know the story.
neilp77 3 years ago
Casey Viator....he WAS big before meeting Jones...just not RIGHT before meeting Jones. Yeah Yeah Yeah, industrial accident...lost a finger....didn't train for 4 MONTHS (not years!)....went to Jones small and skinny. According to the reports he gained over 60lbs. in 29 days while losing fat. Reality: Muscle memory and DRUGS were the reason he was able to gain so fast (assuming it was even true). There was no magic in the machines. Again...was it true???? Could Jones repeat these results?
JesusLicksMyNads 3 years ago
Casey Viator was obviouly a world contender before 73, but in 73, he was only 168 lbs., whether you believe or not, dude! You know the story, so I feel there's no need repeat to you. Combination between HIT and Nautilus was the tools needed to workout in that particular month. I'm sure chemicals played a role in that, also. Who wasn't doing drugs in bodybuilding.
neilp77 3 years ago
As far Sergio Olivia goes, he trained under the tuledge of Arthur Jones in 72 (HIT). Arthur worked Sergio like dog, to get him in his all time best shape in Essen, Germany, where finished second behind Arnold, in what was one of the most controversal Olympias, in history! Some people (including Arnold, himself) said Sergio, deserved the winning honors. Sergio was a genetic monster than had arms were bigger than his head!
neilp77 3 years ago
Sergio won the Olympia and many other titles in the 60's, years before he met jones. He started his career under the guidance of Bob Gajda (before Jones) in Chicago using the training methods and equipment of the time. He had a long list of accomplishement before he ever even touched a machine or met Jones. Nautilus did not create the Myth....Barbells did.
JesusLicksMyNads 3 years ago
I never said Nautilus created Sergio. If you read my posts correctly, I stated that Jones helped train Sergio in 72, using combination of free weights (namely squats, and bench presses) and his machines tp get him in shape for that particular Olympia. HIT training. Sergio never regained that condition after 72. Sergio often stated that Jones, was the only honest man he met in bodybuilding. Nautilus was an aid in getting him in the best shape, possible.
neilp77 3 years ago
Saying that barbells fail to meet a basic REQUIREMENT of exercise is absurd. If that were true it would stand to reason that no one has ever gained any significant mass using barbells. The fact is that the majority who HAVE gained mass have done it using barbells and a very limited regimine of coumpound movements. Men performed feats of strength 50-100 years ago that few could do today even with steroids and machines. The failure is not in the equipment....it's in the character of the men.
mensacyclist 3 years ago
While the barbell defintely has merit and is responsible for building more physiques than Nautilus ever did. Nautilus is more refined than it's counterpart, Putting it's working bodypart in a pre-stretch position. It's offset cam design allows this to happen. Modern machines do it better and more efficiently. You can still be hardcore, and train brutally, while training on Nautilus.
neilp77 3 years ago
So many of you guys want to potray Arthur Jones as some sort of brilliant, infalible pioneer with infinate wisdom. In reality he was just some guy who had a thoery of exercise and built some machines. His machines weren't that spectacular. Some of them were crap. They played no part in producing huge muscles. There were no Nautilus super heros...and don't point to Casey Viator. he was big before he met Jones and of course took a mountain of drugs.
mensacyclist 3 years ago
Not one indiviual had greater impact on fitness and phyical therepy treatments than this man. Credited by many as being a mechanical genius, Jones's quest to improve his personal fitness level guided him to analyze the shortcomings of barbell training. Self-evident truth, gleaned from years of barbell exercise, indicated the one major flaw of barbell training: barbells do not supply the basic requirement for exercise, which is variable resistance, throughout the complete range-of motion.
neilp77 3 years ago
The "basic requirement for exercise" is to progressively overload the muscles and to naturally raises testosterone and GH levels. Progressive overload is not complicated. It certainly does not require Nautilus machines. Naturally raising test/GH can only be accomplished with compound, multi-joint movements. Isolation exercises (like Nautilus machines) serve NO purpose in the quest for mass. NO ONE has ever gained serious mass using machines. They are better than nothing but far from ideal.
mensacyclist 3 years ago
Your right, progressive overload is not complicated at all. The overload aspect can be achieved, by barbell or any machine in market today, if it is done correctly within the realm of their design. Nautilus can do what is was intended to due it's ingenius comfiguration, designed by Arthur Jones. As far as your claim stating that no one has gained suffient muscle mass is absolutely false. If that were the case, no gyms in the world, would have these machines for people to use.
neilp77 3 years ago
He was a family friend. One time I asked him when he was going to write his biography...he laughed and said he would have to leave the planet afterwards. Mu uncles worked with him many years. Mr. Jones flew his own Cessana Citation. He had a TV series for a while that my uncle provided animals for. It was called "Capture" and was on the the early and middle 60's. Both were one of a kind charaters in their own ways...
cabritorsss 3 years ago
a clown that is all. he was trying to sell something that is all. there is no one answer to bodybuilding , everything works.remember boyer coe did hidden extra sets , and arnold got smaller.
JORGETHEBAT 3 years ago
This was great! He was toying with and very well countered everything Letterman said. I've never seen Letterman so schooled by any of his guests. Jones must be smart as a whip and mentally quite intuitive.
olympicsnow 3 years ago 3
Part 2 please please please! Love this!
shanatp 3 years ago