Green Leadership Debate Highlights 2008

[gundamWWW]

God Damn she knows what she's talking about.

I'm impressed.

[wooduh]

@ltt989 anyone who says the gpc is not suited to run canada is not being honest with themselves. do your homework, because they do and are backed by the largest political movement in the world

[ltt989]

ok, let's be honest , green party not suited to run canada, they don't know shit, all they know is how to be green, tories and libs have done a better job of being green than green part has, why the fuck would I want to vote for a bunch of tree huggers, so let's say they manage ti "fix the environment", whatever the fuck that means, what about all the other shits?!? food, health, education, roads, huh? does green have anything to say to that, nooo, they are to busy saving water

[RascalKyng]

she was needed on tuesday... none of those boys were able to stir him up

[citizenca]

I am so happy May is not in this years debates. She's rude and disrespectful.

[NotjustGrey]

@citizenca Attack ads and smear campaigns are fine, though? Riiiiight!

She's not being rude here, she's bringing up the issues that the others would have ignored.

[peace4change99]

Absoultly amazing and inspiring!

[quiznosexactoknife]

how can you crack jacks not believe in man made global warming for real you seriously think that shit is mad up and also if it ever was do you think there really is nothing that should change about how we abuse the earth ...cracka jacks

[fightpollution]

May Owned it!

[mikefastener]

@fightpollution Wow! Is this "May" still a party leader?

She seems so irrelevant!

Just wondering...

[893160007]

@mikefastener

say that again about the greens in 20 years

[mikefastener]

@893160007 I am sure I will be saying that "about the greens in 20 years"

Just confirming....

[893160007]

@mikefastener

in 20 years the greens will definently have a large amount of seats just wait for gen y

[mikefastener]

@893160007 After the CRU scandal....I don't think anyone in the so-called environmental movement will be crowing!

Tell me where I am wrong!

[893160007]

@mikefastener

What is CRU if you are referring to that think people called "climate-gate" that was a very small group of people making an exaggeration that was broadcast to a small group of people.

I am telling you that you are wrong

[mikefastener]

@893160007 I am sorry, my poor deluded friend!

CRU climate-gate scandal was a disgusting display of how the climate wing-nuts silence the dissenters. "a very small group of people"--tell me who they were (important individuals at CRU, BTW) and their stifling of the truth was disgusting.

(You may want to run away now as most eco-weirdos do when confronted with the truth!)

Hope I helped you to clarify!

As Stalin called you folks, “the useful idiots”….Gore is probably saying the same thing.

[893160007]

@mikefastener

the people that stole the documents, illegally, took segments out of context and carefully selected what they posted to make the truth appear different.

you have just believed the propaganda from oil companies and big business

[mikefastener]

@893160007 the heros that exposed the truth, showed all documents (otherwise, the CRU disgusting scientists could have shown the rest of the documents...right?).

I am afraid you have been caught up in the eco-weirdo lies for many to put money in their pockets. Billionaire Al Gore is best at this.

Remember that, "useful idiots" comment? It certainly applies here.

[893160007]

@mikefastener

again every thing they released was taken out of context

You are caught up in big oil propaganda

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Again, those disgusting scientists could realise the rest of "their story".

Oh my, you are a weak debating opponent, aren't you?

[893160007]

@mikefastener

you have no idea what I am saying. People can select on certain aspects of what someone said to make it sound like they said something completely different.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Then those same scientists could release the rest of what they said to present the entire picture...right?

The entire picture did not look very good.....agreed?

[893160007]

@mikefastener

They did release the rest of the emails that were released by the hackers, and that did show that the emails were not as people thought.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 "the rest of the emails...were not as people thought"

What did you think of the TOTAL e-mail evidence? Are you ashamed? Did you feel let down by these liars?

Just checking on your honesty with these questions....

[893160007]

@mikefastener

When looking at the complete email there is nothing unusual or special about them.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Wow..."nothing unusual or special about them"!!!

I wonder why the world press were shocked about the lies, cover-up and bullying shown in these e-mails!

I guess everyone is wrong and you are right....agreed?

(Maybe time for you to run away as most eco-weirdo wingnuts do at this time.)

Just a suggestion….

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Wow you don't listen.

They were normal emails but the people that hacked into the database and released the emails took out selective parts to change the meaning.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Stalin was right about the, "useful idiots"...like you!

Took out selective parts.....the scientists could have released the entire e-mails...unless they were worried that the full e-mails would show their disgusting bias...agreed?

Note: This is the third time I have made this comment to you…maybe you don’t want to understand?

Just wondering…..

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Your an idiot. I avoid using insults in debates because they are not a good argument, but you clearly are not reading my comments carefully.

Every email that the hackers released the scientists released a full version of that email.

If you are saying they should release every email between them that is ridiculous. Most of the emails would deal with trivial things such as administration. A lot of their scientific findings would be in other mediums.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 OMG--you now look like a fool! (Or, have confirmed that you are a fool!) In your words, "every thing they released was taken out of context". Now you tell me that everything was released for public scrutiny--and still the public is outraged at these disgusing individuals (I hardly call them "scientists").

I believe I should let you worship the idol of global warming (afterall, it is more religion than science....right?)

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Fuck you don't know meaning of half the words. The people that hacked into the system took emails but only released select parts of the messages such as “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t” was released by the hackers, but when the CRU released the rest of the message it was part of a discussion on the need for better monitoring of energy flows involved in short-term climate variability.

and no public cared

[mikefastener]

@893160007 How sad! The CRU criminals that wanted to distort the discussion on their religion (man-made global warming) were angry that their e-mails were exposed.

Do you feel ashamed? Do you feel let down?

I don't blame you! The public were outraged by this deception.

I'm sure you were as well!

(Anything less would be hypocrisy!)

Agree......?

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Of course they were mad their emails were stolen, and edited to make the meaning appear different.

The public was outraged. I don't know where you lived but barely anything was said about it in Calgary.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Wow--the e-mails were edited?--all these individuals (I'd hardly call them scientists) had to do was release the full account. Sorry your story makes no sense.

"Barely anything was said...in Calgary"? No, if you are reading only eco-weirdo newspapers, I am not surprised you didn't see anything. Even the left-wing Globe and Mail (available in Calgary) exposed this shameful distortion of ethics.

Next question?

[893160007]

@mikefastener

The emails were edited by the hackers, and the scientists did release the full account of the emails.

In the Herald there were only a couple articles about it.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Today's National Post has a great article about Climate gate in the business section--check it out.

(They point out the hypocrisy surrounding the reporting of this game-changing event when it comes to the public's view of the man-made global warming hysteria.)

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Honestly the National Post, all that is is right slanted bull.

If you think "climategate" is such a huge deal how come it didn't affect any major scientific or climate groups opinion on climate change.

And you seem to be right wing yet are obsessed with a Stalin quote

[mikefastener]

@893160007 "didn't affect any major scientific or climate groups opinion"!!!! OMG--grow up! These groups are making billions off of this little scheme. (Check Al Gore's bank account.) They have a vested interest in stirring the propaganda....nothing would change their mind. (Except another money making ploy.)

I am for honesty and you won't find in with the eco-nuts--just review the Climategate e-mails for proof.

(Unless you wish to close your eyes--like many do with this religion.)

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Guess who makes billions off saying climate change isn't happening. That's right the oil companies.

If you are for truth read the full version of the emails, not just the edited version that the hackers used.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Now we are getting somewhere! (Finally!)

And to paraphrase you, Guess who makes billions off (of) saying climate change is happening? That's right the climate scientists, Suzuki, Gore and a raft of eco-weirdo groups demanding money from gov't (us)?

Are you saying the left-wing media (which is virtually all media BTW) did not give a honest assessment of the disgusting e-mails? They had access to everything the scientists had not already erased, right?

Just let me know.

[893160007]

@mikefastener

There was nothing wrong with the emails, they were just edited so it would appear there was something wrong. Right wing media like Canwest and Fox didn't mention that though

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Sorry my friend--you seem intelligent; but, you are not listening. Either you are an, "useful idiot" as Stalin (and probably Gore) called you or you are pretending to be confused. Now for the fifth time!!! Did the media bring out ALL of the e-mail details so that the public could decide their meaning?

Please answer (or run away as most eco-weirdo's do at this stage of the debate)!

[893160007]

@mikefastener YES, the media did bring out details, and showed that there was nothing wrong with the emails, other then the editing that the hackers did.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Then if the media brought out the details, why were there several inquiries (all bias of course) and the public is still outraged.

Does not make sense!!!

The truth is that the full details showed a culture of lies, deceit, cover ups and the attempted destroying of the reputations of honest scientists who could see what was happening.

Big money is made in supporting the religion of man-made global warming and many don't want the facts to come out.

[893160007]

@mikefastener

Inquiries were made to find out everything that happened, and what they found was that hackers stole emails and edited them to make the messages different. Also I have not heard anyone, other then you, express anger over the issue. Even people I know who don't believe in Global Warming have said that CRU scandal was meaningless.

Huge amounts of money is made trying to get people not to believe in man-made climate change.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 And huge amounts of money is being made trying to get people to believe in man-made global warming. (Check Al Gore's or Suzuki's bank account.) "I have not heard anyone..." sorry, if you only run around with a bias group, you may not hear anything. I pride myself in a more diverse sounding of the public's feelings.

Bottom line--how many seats did the Greens get in the last Cdn election?

(Really, I truly believe I am making you face reality!)

[mikefastener]

@893160007 I should tell that even people I know who did believe in man-made Global Warming have told me their confidence has been shaken after reading the CRU shameful e-mails.

Enough said?

[893160007]

@mikefastener

nobody I new had thought anything of it, both people who believe and don't believe in man made global wamring.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Same here--anyone I knew that previously believed in man-made Global Warming were very sheepish when we discussed the CRU e-mails.

Those e-mails really destroyed the man-made Global Warming disciple’s credibility!

[893160007]

@mikefastener

I am saying that nobody cared about CRU and knew it was meaningless

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Wow!!! "knew it was meaningless"!

The hiding of data?  The distortion of facts? The destroying of the reputation of honest scientists that wanted the truth to come out?

You are living in a fantasy world! The Copenhagen Meeting showed how world leaders now view the religion of man-made global warming!

Tell me where I am wrong....unless you are scared and want to run away!

Just wondering....

[893160007]

@mikefastener

You are an idiot and don't listen to anything you don't want to hear. The only distortion of facts was by the hackers who edited the emails.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 My silly friend..."the hackers....edited the emails"....wow....I guess the media must have been part of your conspiracy since they reported the disgusting acts by these so-called scientists!

You may want to wipe that egg off of your face right about now....

[893160007]

@mikefastener

You are literally the biggest idiot I have ever discussed anything with. You don't listen to anything that does not coincide with your beliefs. Look it up the emails were stolen by hackers, and edited so that they would appear to have a different meaning.

[mikefastener]

@893160007 My foolish friend! I present you with the facts and you get so angry!

Why not get angry at Gore or Suzuki--those that fooled you in this silly man-made global warming religion?

Do they have priests or ministers in this religion?

Just asking....

[893160007]

@mikefastener

What facts all you say are phrases that make you feel so high and mighty

Man made global warming exists.

Even if you don't think it exists we will run out of resources, and are being unethical in the treatment of the planet.

And btw there are four scenarios

GW is real we do nothing

GW is real we do something

GW is fake we do nothing

GW is fake we do something

which scenario is the one to avoid?

[mikefastener]

@893160007 Man made global warming is a crock and will destroy the economy for no reason except to give Al Gore and David Susuki (Mr. Fruit Fly) more money for their retirement.

I vote for this scenario!

How about you?

Just wondering.....

[893160007]

@mikefastener

You think that is the worst scenario.

I think the worst scenario is man made global warming is happening and we do nothing about and cause the deaths of millions.

[GPCVictoria]

Wow, this is very excellent!