Note: There is not *a Supreme Being* in Scientology. Hubbard said there were 8 "dynamics" we all survive on. (Through self, sex, groups, mankind, physical things, animals, spirit, last is "The 8th Dynamic: The Supreme Being, whatever you believe that to be". Hubbard was actually anti-churches, angels, Jesus. There is VERY little mention of "God" per say.
The fact that the condition of their appearing on the show was that no one with an opposing view be on stage, is very telling. That's exactly what propaganda is. So glad that Phil is not letting it be a one-sided debate.
"There is a supreme being" - what Heber doesn't say is that the "supreme being" they refer to is L Ron Hubbard.
I do wonder how those Southern Baptists can rectify the Christian belief of Heaven with the reincarnation belief of scientology. You can't have it both ways.
I love how much these people pull the "It's my religion! You can't criticise my RELIGION" card. Nowadays most people (in the circles I move in) don't get away with that nearly as much! With all the discussions going on post 9-11 religion- thankfully- can't get a 'get out of jail free' card just by pulling that shit.
even though i think scientology is an evil cult . i dont like how the scientologists were treated on this show . They are still human beings who shit and bleed.
This is insane. These people are evil. They take stupid, lonely, desperate public's money and use common sense to impose a larger nonsensical ethos. These people are very dangerous.
i dunno dudes it astounds me the attacks form critics on the ideas of scientology when it's rather accepted that bushes talk and men can live in whales for extended periods of time. fucking acid heads, thats what i think
The internet is the worse thing that ever happened to Scientology because news of their crimes, fraud, and harassments have spread. And the patently stupid core beliefs about Xenu and thetans, that you could only learn about once you gave them all of your money, is now easy to find out. Mystery was their most precious commodity and they've lost it.
There has consistently been 8 million Scientologists for going on 20 years now. . . doesn't sound like its growing very fast, especially since there are only 30 at the church here and all but 3-5 transferred from other locations to open this Ideal org. There was a small Dianetics place before that. Even their "record breaking attendance" of the grand opening in April looked to draw only about 50 of them, and about 20 interested visitors to hear the great DM make a rare appearance.
Its happened again today Peaches Geldoff (D-lister) has been having relationship and family problems and was spotted entering the Scientology Celebrity Centre where no doubt they will pamper her hoping for a big cheque
He uses the Study Tech created by the Madman Messiah L Ron Hubbard who said Jesus was a pedophile and was a LOVER of YOUNG BOYS & was prone to fits of anger and hatred? The same one who denied God and Heaven AS IMPLANTS?
Hubbard didn't get it all right, but God and Heaven ARE implants. Fuckwit. How stupid are you. Also, at least one Christian tradition teaches that Jesus was indeed a lover of young boys and men. See the "raising of Lazarus" in it's original un-edited form and then make comment.
I think u assume I'm a Christian but God & Heaven ARE MPLANTS? L0L
Do u even know what ONE is? U need to learn the SCIENTOLOGY def of IMPLANT. See ANY version of "History of Man" then get back to me, numb-nuts ;-D
U say God & Heaven ARE implants & Jesus was a lover of young boys (Wasn't that Catholicism?) so U'RE saying L Ron got it right. U wouldn't be a wacky Sciloon?
"Stupid is as stupid does." -Apostle Forrest Gump. Being stupid didn't stop *U* from commenting, berk. See how that works?
This totally makes sense.. after all, Jesus was a teacher too, and you don't get his educational material mixed up with his 'religion'. They're totally separate concepts, just like study techniques and dianetics.
I think scientology is crazy,but it is the right of the people to choose to believe what they want.I wish Donahue would go after the U.S. government for the outragous taxing of the american people.That is the biggest racket of all.
Scientology is Psychiatry! Hubbard claimed he learnt his views by learning under Freund. Hubbard wants rid of the competition he wanted people to pay his organisation instead of psychiatry. The reason mass murderers are under psychiatric care is to try to understand what made them decide to kill people. Scientology believes they can do better hence criminon unfortunately criminons success ratings are very low
I think this story is so bunk, considering phil could not have people that disagree with the church. To have a topic, you need to have others that have a different view point. Any religion up on his stage, needs critism.
To Scientology's/David Miscaviges dismay, which will also bring around either a change or the end to Scientology. The TRUTH is out there now. Scientology can no longer keep secret, all there criminal activities and constant harassment of critics. The have very effectively used our legal system to silence people. The have trampled over peoples constitutional rights to free speech and also the establishment clause[Preferential tax deductions not available to any other 'religion']
Illiteracy is not the only cause of inter-city crime, disease, etc., as the Rev. states. It is only one of many symptoms of the social and economic disenfranchisement of many American urban areas with a large pop. of minorities.
I miss Phil Donahue. He's doing a fantastic job confronting them on their obfuscations, omissions, lies, and dodges. Phil's just right out there, saying it, questioning straighforwardly even with awkward issues, and if he had been permitted to feature a balanced panel including critics, they would've come off even worse than they do in this.
in christianity, Its believed that we have one life one spirit and when you die you go on to be judged. That is a massive contradiction with living multiple lives
Wow, Pat Harney ... Miss "Disconnection does not exist as Anonymous is plainly aware" ... Miss "Acceptable Truth". And is that guy the same husband who is in the RPF?
Somebody please tell me which "RELIGION" charges for counsiling? Because that auditing that they do is counsiling and they charge. So far I know no religion what so freaking EVER have charged no follower for their help? And these Scientologist do.
Critizism is the art of free speech which is part of modern western society.
Whatever you do as people is fine, whatever your organisation does to help is good, when you say its help but in fact indictrinate people and change them that's a CULT!
Armageddon will be the scientologists against the muslims for world domination. Both religions will do anything to shut up dissenters, squash free speech, and take over the world.
Islam is not a religion of of violence per se, but given the cultural and historical nature of Islam, it has so happened. All religions, given the right set of social, political,and historical circumstances, will employ some measure of violence to quash (not squash, btw) dissent. However, The COS has a clear policy of violence and intimidation techniques at its disposal.
Scientology pretends to be multi-denominational, but it is not. In Scientology's official statement to the Internal Revenue Service requesting tax-exempt status,the "Church" said, " ... as a practical matter Scientologists are expected to and do become fully devoted to Scientology to the exclusion of other faiths."
What L. Ron Hubbard said about Christ: "The man on the cross. There was no Christ."
Hello, you think any dissenters wouldn't be scared of blackmail if they went on the program? You are dealing with a "religion" that will do anything in its power to slander & destroy you if you are a visible critic. go to religiousfreedomwatch(dot)org search some of the pp they accuse: all COS critics. research the fair game & dead agent policy. John Sweeney, Keith Henson are some recent victims that shows this still goes on.
Reincarnation? Ok, so how can one be a Christian AND a Scientologist? The Bible is clear that we have ONE life, not many. "It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement." Scientology and Christianity are at odds so I just don't understand that minister who says he's both.
Scientologists get so offended and consider everything an insult when they are criticized. Please, they must get off their high horse and quit with the rhetoric mumbo jumbo, you hear the same thing from every single one of them.
you cannot be a christian and a scientologist because in scientology, the idea of God and religion were "implants" by Xenu into the thetan, making them believe in these things. Notice how this "baptist" says he can use the "study technology". He's skirting the question. The scientologist idea of "what is true is what is true to you" is not consistent with christianity or judaism. There is a real truth and it is not up to each person to decide that.
hubbard said in the heber vs. phil interview part 2, that a scientologist betters the environment! why does travolta fly his private 4 engine jumbo jet for things like shopping, cruising(no, not sex with tom) and just for whatever reason a jumbo, that could fit hundreds. but just houses travolta and his crew for the only reason but being rich??? i drive 25,000.00 km a year, with my car. john travolta ruins the environment during a six hour flight more, than i do in 30 yrs.
Unbelievable. I love the south park scientology episode. How is this organization thriving? Or is it? Maybe it creates fake membership figures. Maybe it's not doing well. I find it hard to believe such bullshit is bought by 'millions' of people.
Note: There is not *a Supreme Being* in Scientology. Hubbard said there were 8 "dynamics" we all survive on. (Through self, sex, groups, mankind, physical things, animals, spirit, last is "The 8th Dynamic: The Supreme Being, whatever you believe that to be". Hubbard was actually anti-churches, angels, Jesus. There is VERY little mention of "God" per say.
ToryMagoo44 1 week ago in playlist Scientology: Heber vs. Phil
The fact that the condition of their appearing on the show was that no one with an opposing view be on stage, is very telling. That's exactly what propaganda is. So glad that Phil is not letting it be a one-sided debate.
"There is a supreme being" - what Heber doesn't say is that the "supreme being" they refer to is L Ron Hubbard.
I do wonder how those Southern Baptists can rectify the Christian belief of Heaven with the reincarnation belief of scientology. You can't have it both ways.
LeftyBlue 10 months ago
the study technology lol
PhillyLucky7 11 months ago
Uh... how do you be a Baptist leader and be a member of Scientology?
If your a Christian you can't follow two religions. Fail.
H0tkebab 1 year ago
I love how much these people pull the "It's my religion! You can't criticise my RELIGION" card. Nowadays most people (in the circles I move in) don't get away with that nearly as much! With all the discussions going on post 9-11 religion- thankfully- can't get a 'get out of jail free' card just by pulling that shit.
c0rp53f4c3 1 year ago
even though i think scientology is an evil cult . i dont like how the scientologists were treated on this show . They are still human beings who shit and bleed.
yourboycal 1 year ago
This is insane. These people are evil. They take stupid, lonely, desperate public's money and use common sense to impose a larger nonsensical ethos. These people are very dangerous.
TheOmatron 1 year ago 2
i dunno dudes it astounds me the attacks form critics on the ideas of scientology when it's rather accepted that bushes talk and men can live in whales for extended periods of time. fucking acid heads, thats what i think
vampgnr69 2 years ago
The internet is the worse thing that ever happened to Scientology because news of their crimes, fraud, and harassments have spread. And the patently stupid core beliefs about Xenu and thetans, that you could only learn about once you gave them all of your money, is now easy to find out. Mystery was their most precious commodity and they've lost it.
lilliansmart 2 years ago 3
donaho--race-baiting fcuk!
repeatedattempt 2 years ago
gots ta help da keeedz!
repeatedattempt 2 years ago
There has consistently been 8 million Scientologists for going on 20 years now. . . doesn't sound like its growing very fast, especially since there are only 30 at the church here and all but 3-5 transferred from other locations to open this Ideal org. There was a small Dianetics place before that. Even their "record breaking attendance" of the grand opening in April looked to draw only about 50 of them, and about 20 interested visitors to hear the great DM make a rare appearance.
hydrophonicspace 2 years ago
Does no-one else see the pattern? All these celebs join while they are having problems
brydogary 2 years ago 2
True that
inchaoswetrust 2 years ago
Its happened again today Peaches Geldoff (D-lister) has been having relationship and family problems and was spotted entering the Scientology Celebrity Centre where no doubt they will pamper her hoping for a big cheque
brydogary 2 years ago
He uses the Study Tech created by the Madman Messiah L Ron Hubbard who said Jesus was a pedophile and was a LOVER of YOUNG BOYS & was prone to fits of anger and hatred? The same one who denied God and Heaven AS IMPLANTS?
Hmm...? Got it.
jdtrickster4 2 years ago 2
Hubbard didn't get it all right, but God and Heaven ARE implants. Fuckwit. How stupid are you. Also, at least one Christian tradition teaches that Jesus was indeed a lover of young boys and men. See the "raising of Lazarus" in it's original un-edited form and then make comment.
lolimtrippingballs 2 years ago
I think u assume I'm a Christian but God & Heaven ARE MPLANTS? L0L
Do u even know what ONE is? U need to learn the SCIENTOLOGY def of IMPLANT. See ANY version of "History of Man" then get back to me, numb-nuts ;-D
U say God & Heaven ARE implants & Jesus was a lover of young boys (Wasn't that Catholicism?) so U'RE saying L Ron got it right. U wouldn't be a wacky Sciloon?
"Stupid is as stupid does." -Apostle Forrest Gump. Being stupid didn't stop *U* from commenting, berk. See how that works?
jdtrickster4 2 years ago
This totally makes sense.. after all, Jesus was a teacher too, and you don't get his educational material mixed up with his 'religion'. They're totally separate concepts, just like study techniques and dianetics.
Right.
telekt 2 years ago 2
Phil Donahue should found a religion. Hueology...I'd join that church in a heartbeat.
SharksKid 2 years ago 3
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Psychiatry is more dangerous than scientology. Most of our mass murderers are under psychiatric care, usually drugs.
talon115 2 years ago
Sounds like you're just itching to get your hands back on Charlie Manson.
XENUTV 2 years ago 2
I think scientology is crazy,but it is the right of the people to choose to believe what they want.I wish Donahue would go after the U.S. government for the outragous taxing of the american people.That is the biggest racket of all.
jays2474 2 years ago
Scientology is Psychiatry! Hubbard claimed he learnt his views by learning under Freund. Hubbard wants rid of the competition he wanted people to pay his organisation instead of psychiatry. The reason mass murderers are under psychiatric care is to try to understand what made them decide to kill people. Scientology believes they can do better hence criminon unfortunately criminons success ratings are very low
brydogary 2 years ago 2
@talon115
speaking of psychiatry...it sure wouldn't hurt you.
NeverMindTheSnow 1 year ago
@talon115 People are not stupid (other than scientologists) that is!!
beholdthedarkhorse 1 year ago
Phils awsome , he words every argument like its everyones not just his own so they cant sue him.
Any 1 who believes this shit is litterally retarded.
FuckingBoozer 3 years ago
I think this story is so bunk, considering phil could not have people that disagree with the church. To have a topic, you need to have others that have a different view point. Any religion up on his stage, needs critism.
tgoodfella 3 years ago
To Scientology's/David Miscaviges dismay, which will also bring around either a change or the end to Scientology. The TRUTH is out there now. Scientology can no longer keep secret, all there criminal activities and constant harassment of critics. The have very effectively used our legal system to silence people. The have trampled over peoples constitutional rights to free speech and also the establishment clause[Preferential tax deductions not available to any other 'religion']
LFraudHubbard 3 years ago 6
Illiteracy is not the only cause of inter-city crime, disease, etc., as the Rev. states. It is only one of many symptoms of the social and economic disenfranchisement of many American urban areas with a large pop. of minorities.
whiff1962 3 years ago 11
This Cult needs to be stopped! Look at the lengths they go to!!!!
Where are the OT's???
yawawot 3 years ago 5
I miss Phil Donahue. He's doing a fantastic job confronting them on their obfuscations, omissions, lies, and dodges. Phil's just right out there, saying it, questioning straighforwardly even with awkward issues, and if he had been permitted to feature a balanced panel including critics, they would've come off even worse than they do in this.
MomAnon21008 3 years ago 7
in christianity, Its believed that we have one life one spirit and when you die you go on to be judged. That is a massive contradiction with living multiple lives
NicNasty1981 3 years ago 2
Yep, Mr. Jenztsch fails to realize that we Christians believe in a heaven, and an almighty God. Reincarnation certainly contradicts that belief...
DeadEnd39 3 years ago
Sorry that everyone doesn't believe the way you do...you obviously know more than everyone else.
talon115 2 years ago
Even doing the interview under there conditions they still come off looking like a bunch of frauds.
LFraudHubbard 3 years ago 15
SHIT, Its Pary Harney, whose hubby has been in the RPF for 5 years! Little disconnection there dont you think Pat?
MARYBLEUZ 3 years ago 2
Wow, Pat Harney ... Miss "Disconnection does not exist as Anonymous is plainly aware" ... Miss "Acceptable Truth". And is that guy the same husband who is in the RPF?
CommentOpener 3 years ago 2
Somebody please tell me which "RELIGION" charges for counsiling? Because that auditing that they do is counsiling and they charge. So far I know no religion what so freaking EVER have charged no follower for their help? And these Scientologist do.
maggyladiosa05 4 years ago 7
Critizism is the art of free speech which is part of modern western society.
Whatever you do as people is fine, whatever your organisation does to help is good, when you say its help but in fact indictrinate people and change them that's a CULT!
Murumasa123 4 years ago 2
Armageddon will be the scientologists against the muslims for world domination. Both religions will do anything to shut up dissenters, squash free speech, and take over the world.
doolrod 4 years ago 4
Islam is not a religion of of violence per se, but given the cultural and historical nature of Islam, it has so happened. All religions, given the right set of social, political,and historical circumstances, will employ some measure of violence to quash (not squash, btw) dissent. However, The COS has a clear policy of violence and intimidation techniques at its disposal.
whiff1962 3 years ago 2
nah, they squash it.
doolrod 3 years ago 2
Scientology pretends to be multi-denominational, but it is not. In Scientology's official statement to the Internal Revenue Service requesting tax-exempt status,the "Church" said, " ... as a practical matter Scientologists are expected to and do become fully devoted to Scientology to the exclusion of other faiths."
What L. Ron Hubbard said about Christ: "The man on the cross. There was no Christ."
vongoloid 4 years ago 3
the world's gone mad...
Alfie0779 4 years ago
It makes me sick that they managed to have no dissenters of Scientology.
MarieCaseyStevens 4 years ago 2
Hello, you think any dissenters wouldn't be scared of blackmail if they went on the program? You are dealing with a "religion" that will do anything in its power to slander & destroy you if you are a visible critic. go to religiousfreedomwatch(dot)org search some of the pp they accuse: all COS critics. research the fair game & dead agent policy. John Sweeney, Keith Henson are some recent victims that shows this still goes on.
stopcrazypp 4 years ago 4
Reincarnation? Ok, so how can one be a Christian AND a Scientologist? The Bible is clear that we have ONE life, not many. "It is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement." Scientology and Christianity are at odds so I just don't understand that minister who says he's both.
newbirth35 4 years ago
It's easy to understand if you know that Scientology lies.
XENUTV 4 years ago
The bible says a man may only have one master, lest he love one and hate the other. rather ovious
Ebuverthebicepcurler 4 years ago
Where did they find this fake "Baptist Minster" anyway? He's not fooling anybody with his Scientology propoganda.
krazygreen 4 years ago
Scientologists get so offended and consider everything an insult when they are criticized. Please, they must get off their high horse and quit with the rhetoric mumbo jumbo, you hear the same thing from every single one of them.
krazygreen 4 years ago
A pan-denominational religion whose founder stated that there was no christ? No paradox there.
lasten 4 years ago
you cannot be a christian and a scientologist because in scientology, the idea of God and religion were "implants" by Xenu into the thetan, making them believe in these things. Notice how this "baptist" says he can use the "study technology". He's skirting the question. The scientologist idea of "what is true is what is true to you" is not consistent with christianity or judaism. There is a real truth and it is not up to each person to decide that.
extracurricular99 4 years ago
hubbard said in the heber vs. phil interview part 2, that a scientologist betters the environment! why does travolta fly his private 4 engine jumbo jet for things like shopping, cruising(no, not sex with tom) and just for whatever reason a jumbo, that could fit hundreds. but just houses travolta and his crew for the only reason but being rich??? i drive 25,000.00 km a year, with my car. john travolta ruins the environment during a six hour flight more, than i do in 30 yrs.
odinindahouse 4 years ago
So you cant criticise because that may insult?
Even if the subject matter is despicable? ....CULT!
czoz 4 years ago
why dont they talk about the actual beleifs?
madclowns 4 years ago
wtf
juzzers312 4 years ago
Unbelievable. I love the south park scientology episode. How is this organization thriving? Or is it? Maybe it creates fake membership figures. Maybe it's not doing well. I find it hard to believe such bullshit is bought by 'millions' of people.
olmoscd 4 years ago
No surprises here. Still no spirits though. "study techniques" sounds like "NEW BRAIN!!!".
olllj 4 years ago