Is The Trinity True Or Not? Part 2 Of 12

[jchristopher83]

scripture "TRANSLATES" scripture you heathens

[jchristopher83]

Man... are yall serious?? im not speaking for any side but the guy on the left keeps changing what the bible says. 1:54 he says"Jesus was saying if you've seen me you've seen ANOTHER form of the father"... this guy sux at explaing his own theoligy.

[Haukman66]

Good grief! I didnt know Steve O was a Oneness. LOL. I guess he doesnt realize, the bible is jus a translation from the original languages? Pathetic.

[zxcvbnm1234678945]

one father one God wich is Jesus does not the trinity guy not se or hear whats coming out his mouth ....... burnt you can not change truth.. Jesus is the father and Mighty God  one Father and the Name is Jesus... he needs to go back and re read his notes

[October31st1517]

@zxcvbnm1234678945 You are ASSUMING One God means ONE PERSON. That's what all unitarians such as yourself fail to show. That MONOTHEISM is UNITARIANISM. Please show this.

[2222pauline]

@October31st1517

KEEP THE OTHER -2- just give me ----> JESUS

1Ti 3-16

[RAMIREZ3408]

@zxcvbnm1234678945 jesus said the father is greater than I, jesus never said hes was God, on the jesus said at John 5:18, 19 he cannot do anything by his own initiative. he also said why do you call me good. Rev 3:12 jesus reffered the father Jehovah as his God 5 times, he was no longer in the flesh when mentioned these words. jesus also said that he does not know the day or the hour well wait a minute he is either God or hes not, there is no such thing as" in between". do you want a thousand m

[upNyaBizznizz]

King James scholars had to remove the holy name of Yahweh from English translation bc the Hebrews did not allow them to use it! Yahweh' is found over 7000 times in ancient Hebrew scrolls.

Isaiah 46, " For I am Yahweh, and there is no other; I am Yahweh, and there is no one like Me!"

That is the original form! Satan did not want this to translate correctly.

Now Psalms 82:6 Yahweh says, "I SAID, ye are gods! And all of you are the children of the Most High!"

There is no more contradiction!

[upNyaBizznizz]

Yahweh also said it another way,

"Is there a Yahweh besides Me? Yeah, there is no other Yahweh except Me! For I Yahweh have searched the Universe in all directions and found no other like unto Me!"

Why else would Yahweh teach us that we are gods? Does He lie to us? Jesus is our brother just as Adam and Moses is our brother. they are the sons of Yahweh, created gods by Yahweh's own Authority.

I Yahweh said, ye are gods!' And we cannot eradicate nor deduct form Yahweh! Where is your honor?

[upNyaBizznizz]

This debate is pointless...both opponents are wrong and they both need correction! There is no Trinity and Jesus is not Yahweh Father.

Psalms 82:6 Yahweh the Creator says,

"I SAID, ye are gods, and all of you are the children of the Most High!"

Jesus taught Psalms 82:6 @ John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

There are many lords[masters] and many gods [Yahweh's children]

Who are you to eradicate and deduct form Yahweh? Honor Yahweh's verdicts!

[upNyaBizznizz]

It is better for you to believe in Yahweh whom created Adam and Eve. Adam had no mother, Eve had no mother, so when Father created them gods, he blessed them and now Adam & Eve live in heaven as immortal eternal god children! It is so simple to understand and comprehend it, yet you blind teachers struggle with such elementary teachings. It's so embarrassing for you! IF Yahweh created us in his likeness, than our likeness is a god, Or else the scripture is not true. I said ye are gods! wake up!

[upNyaBizznizz]

How can there be one god, if Yahweh is the Almighty God? There must be a swarm of gods in a ranking system, and they are Yahweh's children! Jesus is second in command, but Yahweh is not subjected to Jesus! Psalms 82:1 (KJV)

Yahweh stands in the congregation of the Mighty, He judges among the gods!

It is clear as day. Is Yahweh pretending that we are gods? Is Yahweh telling us a lie? IMPOSSIBLE. Yahweh cannot Lie or Die. Get that through your thick skulls. The Lake of fire will not be cozy.

[luxfair]

religion = mental illness

[DESKIN1967]

OCT311517, TELL ME HOW i HAVE ANY CONTROL ON carm, It is a trinity run board and a place I have been banned before, so I don't control a thing, save my defeating the likes , like fellows like yourself.

You just want to blabber nonsensical things and waste my time, on CARM I will force you right away to get to the meat of the matter and reply or be shown to be running from what I printed that you people avoid. I know that you must lie and run from truth and not to it, you will avoid scripture

[loveroflife365]

Actually, BOTH "tri-god" doctrines, trinity and oneness, are heresies because JESUS IS NOT GOD.

The Bible teaches that GOD is the FATHER. This ONE GOD has a Son, Jesus Christ, who is NOT the ONE GOD.

This whole debate is NON SEQUITUR

[October31st1517]

@loveroflife365 How is believing in the trinity a "NON SEQUITUR"? You're problem is that 1. You are ASSUMING unitarianism. 2. You are ASSUMING God is triplex. (1+1+1+3) God is TRIUNE. (1x1x1=3)

The Father Calls Jesus God in Heb 1:8. The Holy Spirit is God in Acts 13:2. This is HISTORIC Christian doctrine. You're position was foreign to Christ and His Apostles.

[loveroflife365]

@October31st1517

Believing a "trinity god" is non sequitur in relation to the truth of scripture, which teaches that God is ONE and that this One God has a Son, Jesus the Messiah.

Also, "1" times itself, even exponentially, is still "1" and does not prove that God is a "trinity". (ex: 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1)

The most accurate numerical representation of a trinity god would be "a x b x c" because each aspect is not exactly alike. Therefore, a x b x c = abc and not "1".

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 Basic Math from Elementary - 1x1x1=1, not three. Regardless, you cannot use a mathematical formula like this to try and "prove" God - If Mark and Peter and Luke are all separate persons yet all One President - that is complete nonsense. 1 person cannot be multiplied or divided, only added or subtracted. Heb 1:9 reads therefore God, YOUR GOD has anointed YOU. Read in context. Acts 13:2 - You have no understanding of what RUACH is in the Tanach do you? Study it if you truly care.

[October31st1517]

@markpaghi "1 person cannot be multiplied or divided, only added or subtracted." Your argument would be correct if the trinity taught that God was (as you say) one person. There is a differnce btween being & person. God is one being, and this being is shared by 3 distinct persons. It appears that you did not even know the trinitarian position. There are many in the church just like you were. They know what they believe, but don't know why they believe it.

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 If there is ONLY ONE God, that tells me NO ONE is GOD except GOD. Just like there is ONE president of the USA, NO ONE is president except the president. This language is basic elementary principles, for someone to argue is nonsense. No one would think if said "I am the president" that there is another person who is also president. Just as Yahweh says in Deut 6:4 and Isa 45:22 - I AM GOD and there is no other - GOD is ONE, no one without bias would think 3 Persons. common sense.

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 I know the trinity - I used to believe it. Three persons One GOD, father is not son, son is not spirit, spirit is not father, but they are ALL GOD co equal and co eternal - I am WELL aware of this teaching and it is complete nonsense. your definition of Being and Person is Nonsense, find that in dictionaries, let alone the bible. ""There is more then 1 being in the Room"""There is more then 1 person in the room" "Three persons IS three beings, common sense. Dont play word games.

[October31st1517]

@markpaghi Then why did you say "1 PERSON cannot be multiplied or divided, only added or subtracted?" So you must have mispoken because the trinity teaches that God is 3 PERSONS. Now about being. Who's playing word games? You make this distinction everyday and don't even know it? For example a rock has being. If you don't believe that, let me throw one at your head and you'll believe it has being, but it is not a person. I'm praying you are delivered from this cult.

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 I realize what the trinity teaches, i said that earlier. I am not playing Word Games - God is One and Messiah is not God - it is simple - the trinity is the word games and philosophy. A rock you could say HAS a being - existence - but it is not A BEING - Person - that is the problem of Three persons One God. God is A BEING - A BEING cannot be 3 Beings / persons. On top of that, scripture is Clear - John 17:3 - it shouldnt go past that, but it does. WAY past that unfortunately.

[October31st1517]

@markpaghi So in other words you refuse to make the distinction between being and person because it destroys your theology.

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 No i refuse to accept your greek philosophy and words that are NOT found in the bible. It is clear God is One Being - God is not an existence composed of three persons. God is a being - which is personal - he speaks, acts, thinks, has his own will, etc. Just like Messiah is a separate being because he has a separate Will - Not my WIll be Done but Yours Father - this is not "my" theology - this is the teachings of Messiah and the Apostles. Col 2:8

[DESKIN1967]

Seems if God was a Trinity and three persons our Bible would have stated it at least once, instead of waiting on post Apostolic writers who were not saved and Christians, since they denied Jesus as fully God and held a triad, they may want to tell us where this false deity was called three persons to the Jews for 6000 yrs.

[October31st1517]

@DESKIN1967 The trinity is new testament revelation. Are you saying that if it is not in th OT it should be rejected?

[DESKIN1967]

DESKIN1967 I guess this moved to fast for you, for it took you 6 months to respond and also I made it clear, that the BIBLE, not merely the N.T. states nothing of a trinity. You rely on Creeds and faulty Post Apostolic writings and not the plain word, you add to the word the idea of a three person triad, funny the Jews never relied on such, nor has Oneness Modalist Monarchians through the ages. I also want to know why you ran from CARM, a place you don't control?

you lost threre

[October31st1517]

@DESKIN1967 How about a public debate on paltalk? I think everyone here sees you are the one who is running. At Carm you have complete control. Admit it. You are afraid to defend your position on paltalk.

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 Revelation - disclosure of truth, made visible (that is, clear for all to see), appearing, etc. A revelation is something revealed - not a mysterious trinity that Cannot be comprehended nor understood because of our "finite minds" That is the exact opposite of a revelation. Not only that, a revelation does NOT go against Gods Law - Shema Israel and the Ten Commandments - no idolatry, no polytheism, God is ONE, etc.

[October31st1517]

@markpaghi How does believing in the trinity violate the Shema of Israel or the Ten Commandments - or id idolatrious, or polytheistic?

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 Because there is Only One who is called GOD, that is Yahweh our heavenly Father. To say anyone else is God besides our Father in heaven is against Deut 6:4 and the Ten Commandments because you make Messiah to be Yahweh and another person called the Holy Spirit you make to be separate from our Father but also God - No matter how many fancy philosophical words people use, or how many excuses they have - Trinity is still polytheism - Merely stating "one GOD' means nothing.

[October31st1517]

@atestring Which Jesus?

[musicmusing]

Buried with Jesus Christ in baptism. The Son. Whom the Father sent. Ibet you have never heard your pastor speak freely of the Son without 'interpreting' the Son to mean humanity or flesh. Paul never did this. He spoke of the Son of God constantly. The Son of the Father. As if that was what he meant. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[musicmusing]

One body as in all Gods children. One faith as in faith in Jesus Christ. One baptism as in we are buried with Him in baptism. Its not as narrow as you think ronhanish. This doesn't exclude non upc or non oneness at all, rather it is inclusive of all in his body. You are reading into the text what you want it to say. I have one Lord, I have faith in Him, I am baptized into Him. As are many who may disagree or side issues.Even you

[ronhanish]

U quoted we are buried with Him by baptism,so if u r baptized by mathew 28:19 u need to show me where the Father ever died and was buried,never ,that is why u need to be baptized in Jesus name

[trellusg]

Do you think Almighty God is going to be really angry that some people were all about Jesus only? :) If you have the Son, you have the Father. The Oneness people who believe in the Son have the Father, whether they misunderstand the nature or not.

[musicmusing]

Where is the grace in that? Baptized wrong gimme a break

[ronhanish]

(Eph 4:4 KJV) "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;"

(Eph 4:5 KJV) "One Lord, one faith, one baptism,"

[ronhanish]

baptism answer , yes hell is for people baptized wrong also,because they didnt believe His word and take it to heart ,and do it, Hes not playin man, God is God, u better do what the book says and stop tryin to second guess the book . nobody is baptized into a trinity in the bible and u better not do it either if u care for your own soul !

[October31st1517]

@ronhanish, so is baptism the fruit or the root of salvation.

[trellusg]

@ronhanish What an odd way to believe. Your God seems rather mean and like a "gotcha" God... are you sure you want to serve this deity? :)

[ronhanish]

i want to go to heaven , i want to obey God ,not this demonic loving, God hating world. the bible is God speaking to humanity. (Mat 3:14 KJV) "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?"

(Mat 3:15 KJV) "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."

[ronhanish]

(2 Th 1:7 KJV) "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,"

(2 Th 1:8 KJV) "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"

(1 Pet 4:17 KJV) "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"LAKE OF FIRE

[trellusg]

Ron, you clipped 2 Th right before the critical verse 6, which explains the context of what the vengeance is for: " 6Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;" Who is it that has troubled you so much that you want them to die in flaming fire?

[ronhanish]

those scriptures r 2 wake some people up that hell is real

[trellusg]

Ron, do you understand verse 6? It tells us why there is "vengeance" at all. It seems to me that Paul is speaking of specifically those who have persecuted the saints: "Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation TO THEM THAT TROUBLE YOU." If you are one of the saints, who is it that has troubled you that you would have your Lord take vengeance on them? He is not doing it for his sake, but for yours.

[ronhanish]

I KNOW

[trellusg]

Let it go. The will of God is that all men would draw nigh unto him. If someone has wronged you, forgive them so that they have your grace, as grace has been given to you. Whatever you loose on earth, is loosed in heaven.  Are you greater than God? Can he hold a sin against someone if you have erased it with your forgiveness?

[cmckey7127]

arguments are pointless.

It only takes one time, for any trinitaryin to come to a one god apostolic pentycostal church and be hooked for life.

[October31st1517]

Well the trinitarian is a former UPC minister who has now found the truth. You cannot call yourself Apostolic, much less pentecostal since both are historically trinitarian.

[cmckey7127]

No The trinitarians did not brake off cuse they found the truth they broke off cuse they were decived. There is only one god and his name is jesus! And he came to this earth roled in flesh and died for are sins that is how simple it is and on the day of pentecost . He pored out the holy ghost. And when the apostals reviced it they spoke with tongues

[October31st1517]

You have know idea who God is. The reason you do not believe in the trinity is because you were taught not to believe it. I believe it because of studying the bible. (John 15:26)

[cmckey7127]

No you are rong!

I do study my bible.

And you are insulting to every christian i Know.

Even the ones that are not pentecostal.

To get on and bash people just trying to get closer to god. Tell me I have no idea who god is... That is just rude and insulting.

And I can show you scripture after scripture after scripture to back my point just like every other pentecostal that gets on hear to talk about jesus But you dont matter how much we show you and how much we prov it you will not listen..

[markpaghi]

@October31st1517 Dont pass judgment on something you really dont know about - I was taught for years that god was a trinity and i even taught people this same thing from scripture. I was NEVER taught by anyone to question the trinity or the churchs doctrines - until i actually studied the bible without the presuppositional church doctrines in my eyes i discovered how Simple and Easy the truth is compared to the LIES of modern christianity. I have Been There and Done that, you cannot say the same

[October31st1517]

@markpaghi May I ask, what faith do you subscribe to now?

[j1b2k3r4]

amen!!

[markpaghi]

@cmckey7127 Scripture says Gods name is Yahweh - so which is it Yahshua (Yahweh is salvation) or Yahweh (I will Be) the eternal One? Where does scripture say Messiah Came to earth and rolled in flesh? Where does it say the name of God is Yahshua? Show me.

[ronhanish]

its a commandment...

(Acts 10:47 KJV) "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

(Acts 10:48 KJV) "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord."

[TheApostolicWarrior]

@TheScriptureMan

First of all: where in scripture are we told that Luke walked with Christ for 3 yrs? Obviously you have written your own bible or read someone elses version of the bible.

Secondly: little to no information is given on "Theophilus" as well. For all we know it could have been an anonomous person. After all the name literally means "lover of God".

[MartianCause]

The Theophilus of the Luke is a title for a person or persons (Lover of God) or the name of a person (which we cannot know for certain).

The next known Theophilus of history is a 2nd century patriarch of Antioch, who was a somewhat shoddy Apologist for Christianity.

[nfortaleza1]

the onesness guy looks all confused..

[October31st1517]

Tell me something I don't know. LOL!

[taylor8407]

The thing I don't understand about the trinitarian stand here is that his arguement is based on his belief. Father of the Son? You would only have to prove this if you were proving the Trinitarian doctrine. Both stands have issues but the guy on the left got busted here....

[trellusg]

The Oneness fellow is imprecise in his language. Isa 9:6 does not say that the one to be born "IS the everlasting Father", but rather that his name would be called that. I get called things all the time; it signifies something, alright, but it does not make me those things necessarily. :)

Jesus was clearly called many things, and his claims to have been sent by the Father and to have come "from above" were tantamount to his Jewish listeners to making himself equal to God.

[taylor8407]

Yea but this isn't a ceremony for a doctorate program here, this is the bible. Either what it says is true or it isn't. It would have been one thing to call him a "father of many" (Abraham was that) or just a father but an "everlasting father"?

Look the Oneness can't explain away "let US make man in OUR image so there are issues. Trinity doctrine can't explain away man's insecurity at it's own failures to try and comprehend a being higher than itself so there are issues...

[trellusg]

It's because there is no explaining away necessary. The very message of the gospel is many ("individuals") who are One. Doctrines are irrelevant.

[natruto]

i cant say who i agree with more.. i think the guy on the right... but the thing that has always confused me about jesus being god... when jesus was on the cross.. why would he look up to the sky.. all confused and sad ( i dont think god is ever confused).. and asked himself.. why have you foraken me? how can an omnipresnet god forsake themself?how can gods spirt go.. into gods hands? i mean there seems to be some sort of seperation there... but thats just my question.. dont take my word for it.

[October31st1517]

Because you are under the assumption that one God equals one person. You need to get past that and realize that God is 3 persons.

[preachergabriel]

To Oct. (God is 3 persons)

THAT IS PURE PAGAN PHILOSOPHY! THAT WAS MIXED INTU HEBREW THOUGHT 200-400 A.D. BY TRINITARIAN TO BE, PEOPLE.

NO WHERE THE WORD OF GOD SAYS "GOD IS 3 PERSONS"

[October31st1517]

Where in the bible does it show that God is 1 person? Not 1. We both agree God is 1. But 1 person?

[preachergabriel]

To Oct. HERE AGAIN. showing your real color. Deal with my comment; statement by statement, you dodger!

[preachergabriel]

To Oct. Even so you do not deal with my assertions accordingly, (dodging them) since here you ask "where in the Bible IT SHOW that God is one person?

Now in heaven The Lord Jesus said "I am set down WITH my Father in HIS throne...

Now please take note of this: "...GOD AND THE LAMB ON THE THRONE..., (Father and Son) "They shal see HIS FACE..., HIS servants...serve HIM, And HE said ... .

All singular: one face, one voice= ONE PERSON, the evidence: I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE ONE! Did you get it?

[TheScriptureMan]

Jesus also states as well as does John that no one has seen God and no one knows God. If no one knows God then that means Abraham, David, Moses who spoke to him face-to- face like a friend an all of the OT prophets didn't know God despite having his favor. They dealt with the Word of God, the preincarnate Son in the OT. They all see Jesus prior to Rev 22:4 at judgement so this verse is moot, unless purposeful that they all see the invisible God the Father

[trellusg]

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit WITH me in MY throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down WITH MY FATHER in HIS THRONE." Rev 3:21.

What does the Oneness mean? It is much more than you think! :)

[TheScriptureMan]

Let us use a little simple logic here. If Theohpilus of whom was a good friend to Luke and who the book fo Acts and the Gospel of Luke was written to coined the term "trias" to identify the Trinity then was Luke just a really bad disciple of Christ after walking with him for three years. Did he not know it or did Theophilus just get sucked in. Theophilus was instrumental in bringing Christ to the Romans. I think he based on simple logic had the proper doctrine, no?

[trellusg]

I agree, Gabriel, but no where in the Scriptures does Jesus says, "I am the Father." Rather, he speaks of being One with the Father, and then he speaks of his followers being One with him and his Father: "That THEY ALL may be ONE; as THOU, Father, art IN me, and I IN THEE, that THEY also may be ONE IN US..." (John 17:21)

[preachergabriel]

This wise/guy lied knownly/ignorantly when he asserted that the Hebrew bible said Father of eternity on Isa.9:6. The truth of the matter is that the Hebrew writting reads:...father of the age to came... (the age of grace). I got that from Historian Eusebius.

[October31st1517]

At least your admitting that Jesus is NOT God the Father.

[preachergabriel]

To Oct. Again and again you are showing your real colors, that is, you are a dodger and a lier.

Answer my comments accordingly, ONE BY ONE do not deviate from them. You are falsely saying that I admited that Jesus is NOT God the Father. Probe it, QUOTE MY ASSERTION OF it; put the dot upon the i to made the i, i; otherwise , your i is not an i; and you then display yourselve more as a FALSE ACCUSER on tap of the other bad titles that you are already showing.

[tjean8]

Well than here comes the conflict with the father of the age to come. Ephesians 4:6. One Father of all. So with that being said do we have 2 Fathers? Stop contridicting the Word of God. YHV said in Isaiah 37:16

[preachergabriel]

to tjean8, If you have TWO GODS, then in your faith there are two fathers,but if you are of the Apostolic Faith, then the Apostle Paul is saying to you" But to us there is but one God, the Father,of whom are all things , and we by him." 1st. Cor.8:6. It is the same God that Paul mentions in Eph. 4:6. (One God and Father of all, one faith, one baptism. 4:5 (the Apostle's faith and baptism Acts 2:38.

Does Isa.37:16 contradicts John 1:10 "He was in the world, and the world was made by him..."??? )

[October31st1517]

Then what is the name of the God Jesus was praying to in John 17?

[preachergabriel]

To Oct. Oooh, Mark Aponte, where you been? You still owed me some answers from some time ago; I know my assertions are tough so I am no surprised when some people disappeard with out answering them; as also Tulip he is in the same going down the street of facing realities.

Now to you question of "what is the name of the God Jesus was praying to in John 17? I had to ask some question of you,before I say any more. So I need more space obviously. Continuing

[preachergabriel]

Continuing: Here are my questions:Are you, forgetful? ignorant to Scriptural clues? or read Scripture without concern what it says?.

That question of you now,(out of the blue sky) hasbeen answered more than once by me and also by your foe, Mr. Steve Mc Calip.

In the same chapter of your tricky question, Jesus on his prayer says this to his Father: "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gaves me..."

Get acquainted with the Apostles' Doctrine and you will know the Name!

[TheScriptureMan]

As the reperesentative of God he did manifest the name of God as that representative. The name is Jehovah forever as the OT notes, hence the "new name" in Rev. Jehovah as Matthew 28:19 notes (verse 28 the authority of) the three, not manifestation otherwise other manfestation would have been decreed, such as burning bush, etc. I and the Father are one, JEsus says this to his disciples, you are one as me and my Father are one so are the disciples God too?

[tjean8]

No Isa 37:16 is not contradicting John 1:10 because Jesus is the Father. What people fail to understand that jesus was 100% Man and 100% God. What made Jesus God was not the flesh but the spirit that was inside of him. So no contradictions

[TheScriptureMan]

Who said two God's? The Hebrew word "echad" not "yachid" which is used for only one (unique) is used in Dueteronomy and other references as God as one. It's used in Ezekiel for the two sticks of Israel coming together and in Genesis for man and woman becoming one flesh (If you think about that last part without degrading your thoughts, that's what marriage was, two people coming together physically as one, literally). God then views them as one period from then on forth.

[Acts238IsNotOptional]

The Bible.

[violetofYeshua4]

Steve sort of took Isaiah 9:6 out of context. It says he shall be called the everlasting Father. It doesn't say he is the Father.

[trellusg]

Excellent point! :) The Oneness guy is not reading carefully.

[simplydannygirl]

Uh, 12 parts of some turkey denying What the Word of God says. Sounds Anti Christ to me?.

Jesus prays to Himself ,caling Himself Father?........Ooookay........­..

[tulvox]

waoooo it´s is true.....it´s so clear that the trinity is true.....:)

[Acts238IsNotOptional]

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

[tulvox]

yes man the trinity is soooo clear.....;) God bless you

[October31st1517]

What is your point in quoting this scripture?

[Acts238IsNotOptional]

The Trinity "seems" right, because it fits the views of a carnal mind, but the ends of it will be a spiritual death.

[Acts238IsNotOptional]

The flesh of Jesus Christ (The Son) prayed to his spirit (The Father). That is not hard to grasp once we understand that Jesus was both fully God and fully man. He did not pretend to live a fully authentic human life, he actually did. This enabled him, as a man, to pray to the Spirit.

[trellusg]

Flesh cannot pray; it cannot do anything at all, it is only dirt! :) It is only flesh, and it has NO LIFE without spirit. It makes no sense to say "Jesus' flesh prayed." It's like saying, "my computer created this reply." :)