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  • I knew Dawah was putting on a show with this FBI shit. I did a video on this too, telling them both to put it back in their pants but I did give Dawah more of an asswhipping b/c he raised his head over some woman who sells skincare just to get at Thunderf00t. It was all a ruse just to get at Tf00t again.

  • Let's see if you can renounce Islam and bash Islam publicly.

  • so... i am a youtube noob... and i have been watching these two knuckleheads videos... and it seems to me this is basically like the "Tupac vs Biggie Beef"... for geeks.

    except this is FAR less entertaining. the subs of each camp have stoked the beef with their bullshit comments.

    grow up people.

  • @fukkensully ...or you could calm down and learn a few things. Thunderf00t is a scientist and everyone else makes some pretty snide comments. If no one made reply videos, we'd have a lot more of T-f00t doing science.

  • One must realize that to be a muslim is to think as DawahFilms guy thinks -> To protect their cult, their god and their infamous Sex crazed, mass murdering LYING self-appointed Prophet names Muhammad from criticisms by hook or by crook, defend their cult to avoid exposing its shameful existence, and to serve as sacrificial human shield for this cult to continiously cast terror,chaos and deaths to this God forsaken world full of innocent people yet easily manipulated by a cult called islam.

  • @start12poop No, he did NOT show any records.

  • By the way CompleteRationality... thanks for this trio of videos, and subscribed!

  • @LAnonHubbard Thanks. :)

  • So DawahFilms made a bunch of shit up about being hassled by the FBI to get sympathy vote and wrote to Thunderf00t's employers trying to destroy his career? Absolutely disgusting. What a sad, pathetic loser.

  • @LAnonHubbard Is Thunderf00t even employed?

  • @faro0485

    yes he works at a university 

  • Ha, i love the tf00t 'Buuuullshit' clip

  • Council of American Islamic Relations is a know terrorist front group. NO BS.

  • Did you know the f00t himself, favorited this video ? :)

  • @SandySweet575 Yea, I was honored. Lol

  • Could we refer to Dawahfilms as 'Posterboy for Islamic Super-Stupidity? 

    Please?

    That way we can call him PISS.

  • boy, you're a moron...

    lets review a few claims made in this video shall we? first, you are too stupid to realize the mistakes of your own leaps of deductive logic.

    he initially claims there were eyewitness accounts of clusterf00t saying he called the fbi on him. all we know is that this claim hasn't been verified. we don't know if he was lying, because that would require us to present evidence of him knowing otherwise. this is hypocritical of you to jump to a conclusion that can't be verified.

  • second and more importantly, neither you nor anybody else has any evidence to support the case that there is no fbi call from clusterf00t or other people. and as you also confess, we don't have access to the fbi documents with regards to this case and i presume they wouldn't necessarily be willing to publish the names of the informants, in case the story is accurate. this makes your claim that dawah is most likely lying, an accusation which can't be verified, just what you accuse dawah of.

  • so, dawah has the burden of proof on his claims and you/clusterf00t have the burden of proof on your claims, both of you assert in the positive that he is lying/making up the story and that there is no fbi call made by clusterf00t and/or his subscribers. you also started the video by saying the accusation is "most likely false" than go on to change it to "most likely a lie", make up your mind.

    ps. you might want to check again but he says "eyewitness" not "i witnessed".

  • @ufster81 You are an idiot. I never concluded that his accusation was false, I said that it was MOST LIKELY false due to:

    1. NO EVIDENCE

    2. TWO DIFFERENT STORIES

    3. THE STORY MAKES NO SENSE

    If you can't understand that, then I don't know what to say to you sir.

  • @CompleteRationality

    you said it's most likely a lie (4:30)... which is why i decided to post such a long response. if it's wrong for dawah to accuse clusterf00t of calling the fbi without evidence, it is wrong for you to accuse him of being "most likely" a liar without evidence.

    the gist of my argument is that you and clusterf00t have also rushed to conclusions by saying that there is no fbi call and that he is "most likely" lying. can you verify any of the two accusations positively?

  • @ufster81 no we know that he was lying cause the two people he referenced said otherwise..

    so not just one lie..

    3 lies..

    Lying that Tf conducted the FBI

    Lying that he has poofs that TF has conducted the FBI.

    Lying that there arre people that testified that Tf conducted the FBI.

    lies lies lies and more lies from that paranoid stalker.

  • @AmetReloads

    a lie is a deliberate misrepresentation of truth. for you to claim someone is a liar, you must have some sort of evidence indicating that their actions are along this line. i think dawah is wrong to accuse clusterf00t without evidence just as you are wrong to accuse him without evidence. what we can't do, is to look at what's presented and positively conclude that there has never been an fbi call accusing dawah, simply because there is no confirmation of this from the fbi.

  • @ufster81 Boy, you're an idiot....

  • @Drgamedood

    yet you fail to present a counter-argument... i guess you're even dumber than an idiot.

  • kudos to you man, thanks for systematizing all of the relevant videos, giving appropriate context, and keeping your commentary to a minimum so that we could examine the evidence on our own and come to our own conclusions.

  • @iykim929 Thank you so much, I really appreciate the comment because that is exactly what I tried to do. I will do a full analysis with my own complete commentary probably tomorrow after I finish the series. :)

  • I'd seen bits and pieces of this kerfuffle, and wanted a reasonable view of what happened on both sides - this seems to be precisely that, so thank you.

  • @soundofgeek Thanks. I'm bringing clarity and hard facts to this issue.

  • Hello this is Agent Thundercock, and I am with the FBI (Fucking Badass Investigators) and my associates and I have deemed you "Retarded". This message is not directed towards the creator of this video, but one "DawahFilms".

    Thank you for your time, Thundercock out.

  • I'm so glad the FBI is on your case. They contacted my daughter because she bought an Arabic language CD. You're out to do harm.

  • Watched whole series. Good cover of both sides so far. And good use of video evidence to call into question the claims about his being reported to the FBI. Really shows how a misunderstanding coupled with stubborn ideology can cause problems. Though of the two, I think Dawah is the one more in the wrong for the (as you have demonstrated) false accusations, and the doc dropping. Those sorts of tactics beg the question to what Dawah wants for said actions. Is this a argument anymore or a vendetta?

  • @dragonmatt5 Thank you. To answer your question, it was never an argument, it was more of a fight.

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  • Fuck you, Dahwah. You're a worthless little scumbag. Whatever happens to you as a result of your actions, you deserve it.

  • Thunderf00t favorited this lol

  • LOLOLOLOLO you fucking terrorist

  • TF is a drama queen and a sub whore - this only proves it. Bunch of tiara wearing cunts.

  • @IzzySpeaks I never once seen him ask for subs, what are you talking about???

  • @philateliceun You should ask everyone else who has seen the series. This is not biased at all. Have you seen Part 1 and 2? You apparently don't know what biased means. Part 3 is mainly about Dawah because he was the one making the accusations, therefore, it was appropriate to examine his claim with scrutiny. If he looks bad in this video, its because of what HE said and the facts that I pointed out.

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  • @philateliceun I presented EVIDENCE here, I'm sorry if you don't like that. Part 2 was not biased and neither was Part 1. It was required to examine Dawah's claim for Part 3.

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  • @philateliceun There is no evidence in support of Dawah's side for the FBI accusation. You have things backwards in your head. Including "Itsthesuperfly" is not unfair nor is it biased at all. Its perfectly fair to pit Dawah up against ONE other individual who disagrees with him.

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  • @philateliceun You are simply unsatisfied with the fact that Dawah isn't looking as good as you would like him to.

    Part 1. I pitted Dawah up against ONE person who disagreed with him.

    Part 2. I included people who agreed and disagreed.

    Part 3. He had no evidence. I let him plead his case and examined his claim. I looked at what he AND TF had to say.

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  • @philateliceun It's not biased. I INCLUDED clips from Tooltime and JasperAvi. They were obviously on Dawah's side.

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  • @philateliceun ..here comes the dawah's butt boy to accuse others for bias..

    and why..

    cause they present the truth..

    of course you can liy as well as dawah films..

    ..but it's seems rather unconvincingly

  • Dawah since you might be reading this, could get back to me as per the PM I sent you. I would understand your hesitation. But its just a matter to help understand the evolution of your believes... I could careless about this drama, feel free to flag this comment...

  • haha, dawah better fucking hope nothing happens to thunderf00t, because if it does, the legal implications on him are HUGE.

  • I think all of you need hobbies, that don't involve youtube.....

  • @philateliceun

    Thats because it is.

  • I gotta say, you've done a good and thourough job with this series.

  • @detersgumig Thanks, my goal was to bring as much clarity to this as possible and expose what really happened and what's happening now.

  • And you say there is no evidence that Thunderf00t had any connection with the FBI while in the same fucking video where you got the bullshit snippet from TF says that he IS in contact with the FBI because death threats from muslims are not something to be taken lightely. I started watching this minidocu thinking it would be objective but this is just another TF fanboy who can't see past his biases and ignorance.

  • @philateliceun You are making an unwarranted assumption. First of all, I never said that Thunderf00t didn't have connections with the FBI. Second, having connections with the FBI does not in any way suggest that he contacted the FBI on DawahFilms.

    I am in contact with my local police department. By your logic, if anyone in my neighborhood accused me of reporting them, then the fact that I am in contact with the authorities is proof that I called them. Maybe you are just a "Dawah" fanboy.

  • @CompleteRationality

    I KNOW. I RETRACTED THAT TF00T CONTACTED THE FBI ON ME PERSONALLY TO DPRJONES.

    THAT DOESN"T MEAN I RETRACTED THAT OTHERS HAVE.

    That's the point. You're being DISHONEST to assert that my recent videos claim that TF00T CALLED THE FBI ON ME.

  • @DawahFilms No dishonesty here. If anyone is being dishonest, its you, and that last statement is not what I said in the video.

  • @DawahFilms I don't think he meant your RECENT videos...but your own words say clearly that "he called the FBI on me" and "there were people there like zomgitscriss and happiecabbie" who have both said this never happened. So...yeah, try to at least be intellectually honest?

    Really, though, I want to ask...can you REALLY not see that you have gone off the deep end here? Taking stuff like a youtube disagreement to employers, finding peoples real names, etc...

  • @MrWonkoSane

    Yeah, and HappyCabbie was the first one to tell me this. go look at his video. He then later retracted it when Dprjones corrected him.

    1) I didnt find his name, it was given to me. Ive repeated this a billion times now. It was handed out to several people

    2) My "disagreement with his employers" has to do with his stupid defamation.

  • @DawahFilms Someone gave you the name...even though that's not what is said in your videos...but ok, let's say that's true. So...that justifies taking it that one step further and taking things into real life, right?

  • @MrWonkoSane

    You are obviously not separating events here. All the events from Tf00ts video "Doc Hunting DawahFilms" are from LAST YEAR. The transcript he used as evidence even shows me saying that I stopped looking for them. The recent information was dropped a few months ago and I just received it a week ago.

    Ive repeated this same thing over and over again a thousand times.

  • @DawahFilms Yeah...repeating a falsehood just doesn't make it true.

  • @DawahFilms I am Thunderf00t, bitch. And you have been proved a LIAR here in this video by changing your story and making shit up. FBI on your door my ass!

    Remember a video titled "VenomFangX Apologizes to the Internets"?

    I just can't wait for the sequel; "Dawahfilms Apologizes to the Internets".

    It's gonna be so much fun. Coming soon to a computer near you!

  • @DawahFilms

    Hey fatwa films....I bet you listen to Menudo...you got the whole boy crazed look goin on..

  • @DawahFilms Why not prove that he defamed you? He played your video. As you repeat over and over, he keeps replaying your video. The fact that you know you were wrong is not a defense to the fact that your words are recorded for everyone to see and judge for themselves.

  • @DawahFilms you really can't see that you are just really going over the cliff of sanity? Dude, it's a YOUTUBE disagreement! Who EFFING cares? So what if T-Foot really DOES hate all muslims and thinks they should all die? Does he have the power to do so? You are aware that they are PLENTY of youtubers who DO actually think all muslims should die...again, so what? There are surely plenty of muslims...not the majority but a substantial minority, who think everyone in the WEST should die...

  • @DawahFilms ...again...SO WHAT? If all they do is THINK such things, then they can think them and even say them all they want. It's when they do things like...I don't know...actually seeking out someones REAL NAME from youtube controversy or seeking out someones ACTUAL employers that things go to far?

    Get a life, man, and step back from the insanity cliff.

  • @MrWonkoSane

    How about go fuck yourself and get real. My internet life was brought into real life. My life is being threatened. I had to contact CAIR. My future employment might be in jeopardy.

    And all you and otehrs give a damn about is what "phil" feels about his "docs being dropped" by me when some atheist actually did it 4 months ago and I didn't.

    Seriously, if this was Tf00t bitching youd be slobbering all over him.

  • @DawahFilms Hmm...I wonder if I contacted CAIR and asked them if they actually did get involved in this what they would say?

    Wait...that might be taking things to far, though, huh? Maybe I'll just once again say that "he did it first" was something that we all learned didn't fly as a reason to retaliate long ago. Grow up, get a life, and move on. Even if it is one hundred percent true that T-Foot hates muslims, hey, that IS his right here in America, isn't it?

  • by the way, go fuck yourself...excellent way to make an argument.

  • @MrWonkoSane

    Yeah..and talking about someones sanity makes a perfect example, right? Hypocrite. If you dont like insults, dont dish them out.

  • @DawahFilms Well, obsessing over someone to the point of actually contacting employers, dropping his real name, contacting whoever and whatever you've done is, well, going off the deep end. Sorry, but there it is. You don't see it, of course...neither did the character in Falling Down. You, like he, feel completely justified and I'm sure you will right up to the point where your actually pointing a gun at someone.

    Or maybe you could just let it go...?

  • @DawahFilms The video doesn't say that, it says you changed your story.

  • @ProgressiveAudio

    But it doesnt. Because in that blogTV session I stated BOTH.

  • @DawahFilms But it does. You claimed last year that thunderf00t called the FBI on you, now you claim his fans were zerg rushing the fbi on you. You're changing your story.

  • @ProgressiveAudio

    No dude, were you at that blogtv? Rith and Galen can also witness for me. I claimed both. At the time I had recorded 23 times that people had stated they contacted the FBI on me. I also though Tf00t contacted the FBI based on what happy cabbie told me as well.

  • @DawahFilms "No dude, were you at that blogtv? " Do you have a copy of that blogtv session unedited I can see? Because if it isn't obvious now, I don't accept things without evidence. That's why I'm skeptical of a lot of your claims. "At the time I had recorded 23 times that people had stated they contacted the FBI on me" And you believe everything you're told by people on the internet? I'm not questioning that the FBI was called on you though, just saying you've changed your story.

  • @ProgressiveAudio

    And Im telling you otherwise. I will get a hold of the blogtv session. This is only part of it. You shouldn't believe what you hear or see from only part of a blogtv session.

  • @DawahFilms "And Im telling you otherwise." But you saying it is not evidence. I'm not a muslim so witnesses are not sufficient on their own to prove something for me, there needs to be actual hard evidence. "You shouldn't believe what you hear or see from only part of a blogtv session. " No but when it's the only piece of evidence, I lean towards it.

  • @DawahFilms "I will get a hold of the blogtv session" You do that, you'll actually be giving evidence for a claim for the first time.

  • @DawahFilms Why don't you upload the whole thing?

  • @DawahFilms Whether you "intended" to or not your video was a death threat against TF, should he have been scared enough to call the FBI?

  • For what it's worth, i do think that Dahaw is telling the truth about not being the one dropping the doc's, all tho once he obtained them, he was the first to run with them and try to do something with it. It's seems that he just wanted to ruin his professional life (so to, strike a blow were it hurts), since that was the thing he also seemed to be after from the beginning.

  • @pegasusfreedom OK, but its not as if I've done the video on doc dropping yet.

  • @CompleteRationality I didn't imply anything, just thought i threw in my 2 cents ;)

  • How many parts are there going to be.

  • @Dar0A0Nakk 4 or 5. :)

  • The difference between the earlier statement and the current one could be attributed to the misinformation and miscommunication and what ever legal aid he got from the islamic council. But he should back it up.

    The again just how Dawah dropped docs seems odd as its not diff from ppl who know TF personally recognising him on YT.

  • Dawah is acomplex character, while he deserved a decent amount of respect for his vids denouncing the people threatening zomgitscriss and the one called an open letter to TF and YT his recent behaviour is really dishonest, self-victimizing and generaly despicable, not that TF handled the situation very well either, but that does not make him a biggot

  • Man, Thunderf00t is his great white whale and he just won't quit, even after blowing holes in his own boat.

    When dprjones confronted him last year with his soliciting help for doc hunting (and account hacking), he said it was a joke, he never did it.

    In the 2nd of the 3 recent videos, he said he went doc hunting back then.

    He's gonna need a bigger boat.

  • @dialingfordonuts

    Actually, no. I stated I was joking about hacking, not doc hunting. The very transcript used for evidence points all this out.

  • @DawahFilms You've been exposed, cunt. Game over. :-)

  • @Drgamedood

    Exposed for what? That blogtv session only had me admitting that TF personally didn't call the FBI on me. That's the sad thing...you haven't exposed anything. None of you have. You just cover up other information that runs contrary to your view...and then suggest I was saying something entirely different.

    That's how ALL OF YOU have worked since day one.

  • @DawahFilms

    I took your response to dprjones' accusation -

    "I'm sorry, to say that it was not your intention is absolute nonsense. It's clear from everything you've done and everything that's been exposed about it, that was your intention. You even went so far as to suggest hacking into his account..."

    "...nobody's gonna believe me I made that comment in jest..."

    - to be about more than hacking. It's clear I could be wrong and made baseless assertions.

    I'm sorry, Ali. I apologize to you.

  • The saga continues.

  • I don't think Tf is more racist then, Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, etc... Sometimes he just chooses his words kinda bad, he just really dislikes religion, but dislikes different religions, denominations for different reasons. It's difficult to take Dawah serious when he constantly plays the "persecuted for being Muslim" card, while he obviously at least threatened to drop docs.

  • @pegasusfreedom Yea, he most definitely plays the victim, he did a great job of that in his latest video. I've seen him do so in the comment sections constantly.

  • @CompleteRationality

    Where can we see the video where DF speaks via skype?

    (the one from the women with glasses BlogTv )

  • @AmetReloads I'm not sure if I know what you are talking about, but the links for the clips used in the video are in the description.

  • absolute proof that dwahdick drooped the docs: watch?v=lUQ7YgfeOAU&list=FL7gH­nsTOFIvEghz2eoAJsng&index=2

  • @Forkroute Yea, I've seen the video, but the admission was after the fact. I don't know if that means much.

  • @CompleteRationality That does not negate thunderfoot's underline racist tendencies as observed by a large number of his own fans. Their opinions being shaped by a long period of uncomfortable observation.

  • @EarlRegent What? Thunderf00t is not being racist, he just doesn't like the Islamic Religion. Second, its asinine (if this is what you may have been implying) to try and blame Thunderf00t for his subscribers' actions. He doesn't incite any violence, those who exhibit this "racism" you speak of do it of their own accord.

  • @CompleteRationality Please, read my initial comment one more time. You are unintentionally strawmaning what I implied. I know that Dawafilms actions(which I agree are unethical and repugnant)are not an excuse for thunderfoot's racist demeanor in general - not specific or reliant ion this particular issue. Have you taken time to survey how many youtube atheists share my opinion? If one is being suspected of racism due to his/her videos, then it is not surprising that he/she would be scrutanised

  • @EarlRegent No, I did not strawman what you said. I asked if that was what you were implying. I know more about thunderf00t's videos about Islam than you may presume of me.

  • @CompleteRationality Even in cases where they are right. There are loads of atheists and even Christians that attack Islam ferociously( way more aggressive than thundefoot ever has); they are not considered racist . Thunderfoot is under suspicion due to his choice of words and disputes over some years.

  • @CompleteRationality In all honesty my friend; do you suspect thunderfoot of being a little racist? 

  • There is truth that Dawddicks did the doc-drop.

  • You sure like to twist stuff, I must admit.

  • @DawahFilms Both of you are massive cunts fueling fires and shit storms -.-.

    Tf00t's judgmental towards muslim's in general, and you're, rather asinine -.-

    Over blown troll to be honest -.-

  • @DawahFilms : "You sure like to twist stuff, I must admit."

    What part was "twisted", Dawah? Can you elaborate?

    Waiting for your reply with bated breath...

  • @DawahFilms Please get off of youtube. You should have been kicked off already, and you should be kicked off. You're just an angry young man with a vile agenda who doesn't listen to reason.

  • I just want to hear Thunderf00t say "cost benefit analysis" again.

  • Two tigers were walking in the jungle, one started to lick the others ass, the first one said "whoa! what the hell are you doing?" the second tiger said, " i just ate a theist fundy, i was trying to get the taste out of my mouth..."

  • great video

  • Do you think you could find any proof that DawahFilms actually did doc dropping, if he did so? There are quite a few folks out there who claim to have recieved that link from him in a PM (one guy did so in the comment section of tf's blog). Now a screen shot of this would utterly destroy his position, if it turns out to be true. That would make a great part 4.

  • @SeltsamerAttraktor Do you have some names?

  • @CompleteRationality thunderf00t d o t org > "Da-WAAHHHHHH-films, pt 2" > "Durandal Says: October 8, 2011 at 1:41 pm"

    I have heard the same thing from other youtubers, but in some comment sections and those comments are now buried under the flood of trolling and I can't quite remember where, but if you really do need those nick names, I could try to find them.

    Yeah, it's all hearsay and stuff, that's why I'm asking someone to look into this.

  • Another point against Ali that also rings of hypocrisy when he said "it got so hostile that your subs contacted the FBI..."

    Woops. Isn't that exactly the same type of generalization that got TF in trouble in the first place? Even if it could be proved that some of his subs did so, should all the rest be as angry with Ali as he was with TF for lumping them in with the Thunderf00t extremists?

  • @Wyglyph

    It could have been one of TF's subs, it could have been tangential to the FBI's investigation into other threats TF has received, or it could have been a result of DawahFilms being a white American who converted to Islam, and has fairly substantial online presence. But of course we know the FBI would never engage in profiling. :p

  • This is dingleflorden.

    Nice video.

  • I'm so tired, or maybe fed up is a better term with this whole issue, and those who even when they condemn Ali's doc dropping go on to mitigate it with criticism of TF, or those scumbags who actually think such actions are justified. As a former victim of doc-dropping on a chat network I ran, I can verify it's fucked up. I had to go as far as contacting local authorities when someone threatened to come to my house, and kill my family, and that was over his simply being banned from the network.

  • Continued...

    Another good video BTW. ::-)

  • @TheNakedAtheist Thanks. :)

  • @TheNakedAtheist Man, I'm sorry to hear that...

  • @CompleteRationality

    Yeah it was pretty scary, our kids were still at home at the time, and we knew his ex girlfriend who he had abused through chat. She verified that he was violent, and owned guns, so we were forced to take the threats pretty seriously.

  • @CompleteRationality thanks pointing out these subtitle details :-) You made some excellent contributions to this drama :-)

  • @supersmash43 Thanks. I'm bringing some clarity to this mess along with factual information. Part 4 is going up tomorrow, if not tonight. :)

  • @CompleteRationality I'm on the edge of my seat in anticipation! Wow! What an awesome job you're doing here!

  • @metalskinstudios Thanks. Are you just now seeing the series?

  • Are you saying that Dawah can't change his lies? We let Brett Keane do this all the time. It is sad that the "Muslims" are so persecuted in this country.

  • Notice how Dawah is now trying to look like a Westerner - Taqiyya Y'all.

  • Dawah:

    WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH­HHHHHHHH!!!!!

    Tf00t:

    PWND, BITCH. Make death treats on me again, dig my dox, my familie's dox, see what happens, PUNK!

    But seriously - Dawah's in the WRONG. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an Islamic ideologue.

  • @CrudOMatic If I think they are both wrong, can I still be an atheist?

  • Pretty much no info in the happycabbie vid...

  • @ElectrumShiv It's in the description. Didn't you see the annotations?

  • @CompleteRationality Aah,ok. My bad.

  • Even in his latest video, DawahFilms' story just isn't straight. His claims about the docs have changed, and now he's trying to say that he disapproves of doc dropping despite also claiming that he searched for and eventually received the docs, and used them to "protect" people while simultaneously claiming that his life is in danger. His whole speil is a mish-mash of threats and victimhood statements.

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