Can All Religions Be True At The Same Time?

[MyWebsite2006]

Oh Ravi. I heart you.

[amacro11]

#10,000 cool excellent video by the way!

[2222pauline]

YOU THINK --> God is like -- the three3 STOOGES

One comedy team but three3 comedians

I say GOD is ine1

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline God created a multi dimensional universe. Is God not greater than his creation? Does it sound proud to say you understand God and can define him?

As it is written and nothing else.

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1 GAL 1-8

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

The GOSPEL the birth , life and death of JESUS and the coming of His KINGDOM.

His Kingdom is the HOLY GHOST. Rom 14-17 for the KINGDOM of GOD is not meat and drink; but rightousness , and peace, and joy - IN THE HOLY GHOST.

SEEK AFTER THAT HOLY GHOST.

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline We agree on this. So How should you decide what is right? Knowledge or Experience? God will provide answer for the truth. He is not author of confusion.

[2222pauline]

READ I SAID ---> FEAR is the beginning of KNOLEDGE

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline What do you fear? The lost of theology, the lost of your friends in the church, or the lost of your soul apart from God. Knowledge can proven true using logic. God uses logic. What is proverbs but wisdom and logic?

[2222pauline]

YOU DON T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND?

NO one comes to GOD,

GOD calls them

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline Which baptism is obeyance to God and does not necessary for salvation. God did it all on the cross.

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1 ACTS 2-38

1. repentance

2. babtism in JESUS NAME

3. Get that Holy Ghost - with tongues

You choose which babtism to throw away?

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline The Bible says to seek knowledge and wisdom, too. I guess you want to forget that, and avoid answering theology questions where theology comes up short.

[2222pauline]

I have been afraid for my life

I have been afraid of bullies

I have been afraid of making a correct discision

The FEAR of the L-O-R-D, though is CLEAN. Ps. 19-9

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline How many times does the Lord say Fear not? How many times the Bible use the word knowledge and wisdom?

Fear and not 144 or 62

Knowledge 172 or 169

Wisdom 234 or 222

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1 MAKE A POINT SIR; PLEASE

the FEAR of the L-O-R-D is the beginning of WISDOM. Ps 111-10

FEAR GOD not man

[astrofrk]

Pt5 Not a single time did Jesus ever warn us about other religions. Rather, he

said, “And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.”

(Luke 9:49-50). A Buddhist that is not against Jesus is for Jesus.

People need to studey what was really said and not just depend on mistranslated texts that have been falsely taught for centuries.

[MrHellowwww1]

@astrofrk Sorry, I missed the point of your. Jesus is God because he was called Immanuel or God with us. The "I am" is just another point. When Jesus said God forsaken him, that leaves us with a choice Jesus is just man or God in flesh. Did not God put on flesh per the Bible? Only God could lead a perfect life, and pay for all sins in his time and outside time all at once. God lives outside of time which why that is possible.

[astrofrk]

@MrHellowwww1 God puts on flesh to all that have the Logos (Jesus) within them. Jesus was the son of God but are not all that follow called "Children of God?" Yes, God, and the Godhead, is beyond time. The Logos within Jesus existed from the beginning (Gospel of John 1) and long before Jesus was born. As a Gnostic Christian, I care less about why Jesus died and more about what he said when he was alive. If more "Christians" followed his words, we would be better off today.

[astrofrk]

Pt4. ‘How do you read it?’ He answered: ‘Love the Lord your God with all

your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and,

‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ‘You have answered correctly,’ Jesus replied. ‘Do this

and you will live.’” (Luke 10:25-28). If believing in Jesus were necessary to attain

eternal life, Jesus would have been guilty of lying to the temple official in this

scripture. (Cont)

[astrofrk]

Pt3. The I AM is bigger

than Jesus in the same way that all the water on this earth is more than any individual

lake. By analogy, Jesus, Buddha and Krishna are lakes filled with the one living I AM. In

another scripture, Jesus clearly says the only requirement for attaining eternal life is

loving God and loving our neighbor: “On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test

Jesus. ‘Teacher,’ he asked, ‘what must I do to inherit eternal life?’ ‘What is written in

the Law?’ he replied. (Cont)

[astrofrk]

Pt2. Ena-ena

is a cosmic “I” or I AM THAT I AM (Ex. 3:13 -14). In another scripture, Jesus tells us

that we make a mistake if we think he is good, “Why do you call me good?” ‘Jesus answered.

“No one is good - except God alone.” (Luke 18:19). And again: “By myself I can do nothing.”

(John 5:30). The way to reconcile “I am the way...” And “Don’t call me good...” is to

understand that it is the I AM (ena-ena) that is talking in John 14:6. (Continued)

[astrofrk]

Intresting that he quotes John 14:6. The meaning of it was lost in translation: In the original Greek version of this scripture,

the word for “comes” is erchetai and it is very present tense meaning it does not apply to

all people for all time. This verse applied only to those people Jesus was talking to at

that time. In the Aramaic Bible, Jesus’ own language, the word for “I” in this scripture

is ena-ena or I-I. The meaning is not the same as ena which is an individual “I.” (continued)

[MrHellowwww1]

222pauline is oneness pentecostal, so everyone knows where his prospective.

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1

HAVE you noticed yet?

trinity people don t care.

they think they have made it.

I am saved , they say

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline Well you say the same thing. Right?

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline Pick is it experience or logic.

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1

You seem to ask a question? Is Experience or Logic, important in the Knoledge of ,who Is GOD? To that question I choose a third----> FEAR.

The FEAR of the L-O-R-D is the beginning of wisdom Ps 111-10

Pro 1-7 The FEAR of the L-O-R-D is the beginning of knoledge.

Heb. 10-31 It is a FEARFUL thing to fall into the hands of a LIVING GOD.

WE WELL ALL MEET HIM---> IN PERSON

JESUS is ALIVE--> Rev. 1-18 I am He that liveth, and was dead: and am alive for evermore.

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline We agree Jesus is God, so are you picking logic by way of knowledge?

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1 THE MAN on this video and YOU

NEITHER have a --> FEAR of GOD

I CHOOSE--> FEAR

IF you wont to know GOD --> BE AFRAID

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline I do fear God which is why I can not believe oneness, Jesus is own father or Jesus is half man and half God. You got to speak in tongues. Well, the KJ Bible I read, I can not find those requirements. They do not line up with the 10 law or Jesus law to love your neighbor.

Maybe you should examine your theology, you would not want to be wrong.

I

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline I do fear God which is why I can not believe oneness, Jesus is own father or Jesus is half man and half God. You got to speak in tongues. Well, the KJ Bible I read, I can not find those requirements. They do not line up with the 10 law or Jesus law to love your neighbor.

Jesus will be our Judge.

I

[2222pauline]

@MrHellowwww1 READ YOUR --> BIBLE - with FEAR

PRAY with - FEAR

SERVE GOD - with FEAR

or just tell every one you know GOD - no FEAR

KNOLEDGE comes through - FEAR

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline If knowledge is your answer, the logic is formal to examine knowledge. By knowledge using logic, Jesus said God forsaken him in M28.19. Jesus said only the Father knows the day and hour in M24.36. Jesus said many he has a Father.

How can you said Jesus does not? That is implying Jesus is wrong. Do see why I try to get you think? God does not need some man made theology which has logical short commings.

[MrHellowwww1]

@MrHellowwww1 If knowledge is your answer; the logic is a formal process to examine knowledge to separate truth from fable. By knowledge using logic, Jesus said God forsaken him in M28.19. Jesus said only the Father knows the day and hour in M24.36. Jesus said many times he has a Father.

How can you say Jesus does not? That is implying Jesus is wrong. Do see why I am trying to get you to think? God does not need some man made theology which has logical short comings

[MrHellowwww1]

@2222pauline To clarify, is your experience or logic more important for choosing how to understand the Bible. I will follow up with you on the answer.

[2222pauline]

HAY trinity people

God is one1

NOT three3 person"s

[astrofrk]

@danieljohn007 That is the official stance since Constantine tried to merge the Jewish and Christian faiths. I went to church for more than 30 years and became a minister at an evangelical denomination, I knew what you were going to say before you said it. My teacher was also a minister and has a doctorate on the subject. Even the Bishops were in dispute over this at the time. Think for yourself and tell me the God of the OT and NT didn't have opposing personalities.

[danieljohn007]

@astrofrk i believe that the God of OT & NT are same. Hopefully u will find the truth in some time of ur life & it shall set u free.

[astrofrk]

@danieljohn007 I didn't change my way of thinking overnight, it took many years. Still, if you follow a God of Love and Peace, you are not far from the Kingdom, regardless of how you worship. If so, that Love and Peace can be found within you and I respect you as a brother in Yeshua. I am more free now than I ever was as a Evangelical Christian.

With the Love of Yeshua and Sophia.

[DarriusisGr8]

@astrofrk observe the torah(Yahwehs Law) too bcoz the commandments of Yahweh are everlasting...Shalom in the name of Yeshua.

[astrofrk]

@DarriusisGr8 Is a God who told others to kill not in the Torah? If so, this is not the Loving father of Yeshua. Yeshua did not condone the Jewish establishment, he rebelled against it.

[thicky]

@astrofrk yeshua and sophia? are you talkin bout ppl in your family?

[astrofrk]

@thicky Gnostic Christians believe the Holy Spirit is named Sophia, which is Geek for "Wisdom" and Wisdom is mentioned as a she thoughout Proverbs. We beleive the Holy Trinity is a family with The Father (Theos/God), Mother (Sophia/Holy Spirit) and Son (Logos/Jesus). Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus.

[Inannawhimsey]

Wow, he looks like Marlon Brando as Kal-El's father :3 Logic is just an aid to thinking and shouldn't be confused with the objects it describes. Our words and symbols 'hypnotize' us. I can see that there are essentially 2 ways of knowing: science, which finds/uncovers facts & art, where we create meaning. Religion is art. Confusion happens when people confuse statements, so "G_ddess is real/not real" is mixing up an artistic concept with a scientific concept.

[ginasnaps50]

gooooo Ravi!

[xhemexx]

As a Christian I support that Christianity is true obviously and I agree with what he says in this video. But in my strong opinion, it's not only about proving that Christianity is true, but ALSO it's about proving that all other religions and spiritual traditions are FALSE. THATS the challenge often overlooked that we as Christians need to address. That needs to be also proven to fully establish the credibility of our faith, and that has been the elusive factor alot of times.

[Kazyman]

Ravi is my earth hero & wonderful ambassador for God The Almighty, His Son Yeshuaha Mashiach (Jesus The Christ) & The Holy Ghost. Thanks for posting this. Is there more of this same vid?

[11Kralle]

No. Only the the true one can be true! You ask me which is the true one? It is the one I am believing in - that simple it is...

[patriciacarrasco]

awesome!

[patriciacarrasco]

awesome!

[dougmoerhoffman]

"when you throw dirt at others, you lose a lot of ground." This man is a genius.

[astrofrk]

Anyone that seeks enlightenment/God in the name of Love is my brother/sister. Those with a God of hate is often of the same religion but they are ignorant. Love does not kill, religion has killed billions of people. Love is tolerant, religion never negotiates. Can someone please explain to me why we have to kill each other to prove who has the most Loving God?

[Kazyman]

@astrofrk There is only one God as far as we humans are concerned. The Lord God of Hosts, Creator of man, Heaven & Earth; The Alpha & The Omega. In His Son Yeshuaha Mashiach (also called Jesus The Christ) is our way to The Father, & by no other means may we rest in the repose of The Father except through Him & His enormous Love Sacrifice. As the shell, white, & yolk is the egg... so is The Father, The Son, & The Holy Ghost God The Almighty. Praise be His Holy name forever & ever; Amen, amen.

[astrofrk]

@Kazyman The three main monothiestic religions agree on God, it's the dude in betweeen we kill each other over. I call the son Yeshua, The Holy Spirit/mother Sophia and God/father the Theos. I see them as a family just as we have families on Earth. I also give praise to Yeshua and Sophia but do not recognise a God of hatred. If God is not Love, who needs a devil? The kingdom will be found when people stop throwing "Holy Hand-grenades" at each other and learn the God Loves all of us.

[Kazyman]

@astrofrk Whatever floats your boat. Personally? I'm in love with God because of His Love. What is better?God's Love is the most incredible force in His Universe, & to live without His Love must be Hell. That would be the biggest emotional punishment. (although an eternity of suffering spoken by Yeshua is not exactly an endearing eternal scenario)

[astrofrk]

@Kazyman How can you Love a God that says: "Love me or I will burn you forever"? What type of choice is that? Would a Loving father burn his children forever because they didn't obey? Hell is a creation of the church institutions, not of a Loving God. I am a Gnostic Christian, my beliefs differ. I accept the essence of Yeshua (The Logos) as the son of God and press towards the mark of his calling. I don't need the threat of eternal damnation to Love Yeshua, Love has no conditions.

[Kazyman]

@astrofrk Well, to honestly answer your last comment, I'm going to have to re-read the Gnostic gospel(s) & get back to you, as I'm not versed well enough to respond, but I will say this... nearly all humans would not opt to sentence other humans to eternal torture. That said, one must ask the question.."are humans more merciful than God, & in effect..more loving? To me that seems impossible! However we are not God & He does not reason like we do. Heaven is pure & holy & must stay that way.

[astrofrk]

@Kazyman I am a Valentinian Gnostic, just to help you out as Gnostic beliefs vary widely. I see life as a test, those that pass enter the Kingdom, those that fail are deleted (no hell). Those that never had a chance (babies, mentally impared) are reincarnated. I have seen Christians get really mad at the thought of Hell not existing, sounds like wanting revenge to me. I used to be a music minister in the Assemblies of God and went to such churches from birth in 1963 to 1996.

[Kazyman]

@astrofrk Like I said, I need to delve into the Gnostic texts with more depths, & also it's been years since I scanned through them. When I do, I will surely get back to you. There are other existing issues in regards to who says what & claims made in various texts & gospels, & then there are those who have passed over & have been brought back to testify as to what they encountered. But first thing's first, I will pour over Gnosticism. Thanks.

[impactproformance]

@astrofrk gnostic texts are very interesting, but like all religions it is a work based system "pass a test" if no pass you get a come back try again for a handicap or a delete. but if we fallow the gonostic idea we would all be deleted thus humanity would be of no value, none of us can pass a true moral test, even if we are "good" on the outside our reasons for so may be full of pride. plus the better we are the worse we realize we are, we need a saviour. And God provides one.

[astrofrk]

@impactproformance Not true. The Gnostic God is not looking for any fault to do away with people, that's more like Mainstream Christianity and Islam. The Logos came in the form of Yeshua to teach the way of God, not to damn humanity. Mainstream Christianity wants do damn those from non-Christian countries and the same with Islam.

God creates humanity for the sole purpose of damning most of them forever? "Worship me or I will burn you forever!" That is hatred, not Love.

[impactproformance]

@astrofrk also hell is a personal torture, if God is life and sustenance then to be away from Him is to be staving and in need, if we have free will and choose to be away from Him we torture ourselves. If i need food and walk away from the souce of food and die in the agonizing pain of stavation is it the foods fault? Hevean is wherever God is, hell is where He is not, to be away from His perfection and life is death. How do you have life apart from it? How do you have pleasure apart from it?

[astrofrk]

@impactproformance "Worship me or I will burn you forever!" You call that free will?

Is it not written that God is Judge, Jury and created the executioner?" The Old Testiment God was admittedly a jealous hothead of hatred who slaughtered even children... we are not talking about food. The Old Testiment God created hell and you want to tell me about his Love? The true God, the father of Jesus IS Love... how do you have pleasure apart from that? Which God do you worship?

[danieljohn007]

@astrofrk It is because of God's love that he sent Jesus to earth for us(john 3:16). The original power given to man by God can be understood from Gen 1,2 and that because of his love to men he gave this authority to men and no other creatures. The love of God for people can b understood by reading the parable of the prodigal son.

[astrofrk]

@danieljohn007 God (The Theos) sent the Logos (his son) into Yeshua. The Gospel of John 1 tells you that "The Word" (Logos) existed before the creation of the world. Constantine merged the OT Jewish God of war with the NT Theos to unite all religions in the Roman Empire and it worked. However, even then, the church had a problem merging the hatefull OT God with the loving NT God. Valentinian Gnostic Christians like myself, believe they are not the same. The OT God is fake.

[danieljohn007]

@astrofrk The OT and NT God is same. In OT, God's covenant was with Abraham and that was not due to Abraham's righteousness or acts but based on his faith. In the NT, God the father sent Jesus to free the people from the control of satan so that whoever believes in Jesus will have eternal life.

[astrofrk]

@danieljohn007 I came to look at the difference in this way: Is God an unmerciful god of jealousy that tells men to slaughter even women and children without mercy? If so, what is the purpose of a devil? Or, is God the one that Loves all that God created! A God that shows compassion, mercy and patience like a good father would. This is the ONLY true God (TheTheos) that was the father of the Logos (Yeshua). Men have been killing in the name of the OT God for far too long.

[joshmanownz]

@astrofrk in my opinion those people are what we call crazy or are people that act on the behalf of god for there own benefit

[astrofrk]

@joshmanownz Exactly. Many are ignorant and mislead to follow a God of hatred but that is not the God that I follow. A person of another faith that believes in Love is closer to the kingdom than I would be if I did not believe in Love.

[impactproformance]

@astrofrk couldnt agree more about not killing each other to prove a loving God though LOL

[astrofrk]

@impactproformance Well, at least we understand one another here. If God is all powerfull, why does God need people to do his bidding? If anything, it makes God sound like a lame cripple who has to manipulate people to do his dirty work. This is where I believe that religious people are the creaters of athiests. This again goes back to the OT God and not the NT God, I do not see them as the same because they are not the same no matter what the Church Institutions say.

[1971SuperLead]

All religions contain truth, but no religion is 100% true.

All religions are useful, but no religion is perfect.

No two snowflakes are identical, but they are all still snowflakes.

His arguement is pointless.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

"All religions contain truth" - Since when did Ravi say all religions contain truth?

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 What does it matter if he does or does not? The point is still that ... all religions are right and all are wrong. What is his point? He has said nothing that benefits us.....and maybe that's his point. On to the next genius.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

"The point is still that ... all religions are right and all are wrong." - So you're putting words in his mouth then?

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 I did not imply that he said that. I say that. I say that there is truth in all religions.

He says nothing. He has no point. No point of any significant value at least. What does he offer? What wisdom have you gained from his ramble? I heard nothing profound from him.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

You're committing a logical fallacy, the fallacy of division. You're saying just two things have one thing in common, there's no difference between them. That is one fallacy Ravi points out in his talks. Also you're asserting that no religion is 100%, which simply begs the question. What evidence is there that no religion is 100% true? Furthermore, how is your BELIEF that "no religion is 100% true" sufficient enough for you to claim that Ravi's point is useless?

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 You only think I'm committing a logical fallacy. I still hold that there is truth in all religions. There is truth in everything. Nothing is completely without any truth.

No religion is 100% true because all religions are changing and truth cannot change. They all contain contradictions as well and the truth cannot contradict itself.

Finally, Ravi has no point. What point did he make? What wisdom did he bestow upon us? How many times will I ask you this? 3 times so far.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

What evidence do you have that all religions are changing?

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 Because that is the nature of all things in this universe. Everything here is in a constant state of change. Hmmm, constant change.....sounds like an oxymoron. Where there is time there is change. Truth and change are not compatible. This is why we look to the Eternal (changeless) for truth. Try to understand that eternity and change are not compatible. They are opposites. Only one can truly exist. Where there is change there can be no truth. Where there is truth can there be no change.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

"Because that is the nature of all things in this universe." - ALL things? Really? How do you know it's ALL things?

"Hmmm, constant change.....sounds like an oxymoron." - You really need to think about that, because if change implies there can be no truth, then how do you know it is TRUE that everything is in constant change? Plus, how do you know that your BELIEF in this won't change either?

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86, Well, fine....all energy is eternal. It may change forms, but energy in itself is changeless...or so it seems. Is there anything else? Can you think of anything else that is not changing?

I did not imply that "change implies there can be no truth". I said they are not compatible. They cannot coexist. What changes is not true and what is true does not change. The fact that this universe is constantly changing reveils that it is not true. No wonder this world will pass. Matthew 24:35

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

"What changes is not true and what is true does not change." - Does your mind change also? If so, then isn't it possible that you will change your mind, at some point, on this belief and believe in it anymore? If it is possible, why do you believe it?

Secondly, if all religions hold truth but none of them are 100% true, that assumes that there is no way to tell which one is the truth. If that is correct, why do you believe in Jesus as opposed to Allah or Krishna or any other?

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 The mind does NOT change, but many of it's thoughts do. The thoughts that never change are true and those that waver are not. Inside every mind is the knowledge of God. This knowledge is true. Everything else is just beliefs and are not true. The knowledge of God is more than just the awareness is God. It is the knowledge of all things that are true. There is no knowledge of that which is not true! God knows of nothing that is not true, for His thoughts create Truth.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

Let me clarify: I am a Christian also, but when you say his argument is pointless, there's no basis on which you can say it's pointless, because if God is the truth, then He COMMANDS us to reason with others as to why He is the truth. That way falsehoods/lies are shown for what they are. There are just a few problems with your perception of the world that you need to think about, because some of them are contradictory to your own belief in Christ. That's my point.

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 God does not command us. We have freewill. God does have laws however, and those laws cannot be broken. They are more powerful than the laws of physics (as Jesus pointed out by walking on water) Thankfully, God's Laws are based on Freedom, unlike the laws of this contradicting world. You can quickly understand how God's Laws oppose the laws of physics by simply understanding the laws of the mind. Our minds operate on laws that directly oppose the laws of physics! hint hint!

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 No religion is 100% true or false. How can they be when they are written in words? Words are not perfect. For a religion to be true it would have to be perfect.....and nothing in this world is perfect, certainly not words, for words are interpreted and never used or understood perfectly. But just because a religion is not perfect does not mean it isn't valuable and useful. Religion is just a tool. It is not salvation itself, but a means to it. Salvation is perfect and therfore True.

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 I believe in Jesus, but the belief in Allah or Krishna could be useful tools as well. But the belief in Jesus is not salvation, but a tool for salvation. The belief in Jesus is the belief in someone who was or is only partially true. Jesus is the Son Of God and so is as God Himself, but he came to us as a man so that we might be able to understand him. God's Son literally made himself appear as a man named Jesus, but God's Son is no man. Jesus is really God as is our Father In Heaven

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

(cont.)

I think you're making a huge mistake in your reasoning here. You say that religions change all the time, just like everything else. But it's NOT the religion that changes. It's the PEOPLE involved in the religion that change. When you say this world is a contradiction, you're only referring what WE see as a contradiction. So the contradiction is NOT in the world itself, it is within US.

You may think that is an okay belief to hold, but its completely unjustifiable.

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 Of course religion changes, because religions are written in words and are written in time. Times change and the definition of words and phrases change over time. The bible has been translated many times. With every translation the message changes. The written message was never perfect for the message was written! Writing is a man made thing. It cannot perfectly relay God's message. But that does not mean a man can't get a drink from a muddy spring! You just need to filter the message.

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 After watching this 10 times....one of his points was that if God is personal He cannot be impersonal as well. Which of course is wrong. Certainly God can be personal in some matters and impersonal in others. Here we can see that "both hands" can be seen as acceptable.

But at the same time the western way of thinking is plausable as well. Certainly if God is eternal, He cannot be changing as well. So, it's the perception of the statements that matters.

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

"one of his points was that if God is personal He cannot be impersonal as well." - Technically, that was NOT his point. That was what the gentleman told him, plus he was only illustrating it with an example. He wasn't saying that's the real nature between being personal and being impersonal Personal and impersonal are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Only if they are absolute in the same instance, THEN they are mutually exclusive.

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 I'm pretty sure that Ravi's point he is trying to make is that the law of noncontradiction is right. That is "If something is true, then the opposite cannot be true.", but he is only half right, and half wrong. This is a world of contradiction! It is a world where the truth contradicts itself. It's why a wiseman shuts up, because his words of wisedom sound foolish, even to himself. A statement is neither true nor false, for all statements are interpretations made by speaker and listener

[BassP86]

@1971SuperLead

"This is a world of contradiction!" - If it were a contradiction, it wouldn't exist. Yet it DOES exist. Therefore the universe is NOT a contradiction, only things that are WITHIN in the universe are contradictory. Again you're committing the fallacy of division in this case.

[1971SuperLead]

@BassP86 Actually, the world does not exist. It only appears to exist. Any good quantum scientist will tell you that the world is nothing more than energy creating the illusion of a physical universe. Shrink yourself to the size of a quark and then look at the world. You will not see it. The world is not Heaven and Heaven is not this world. Heaven is Real and so this world is not. Heaven is Eternal. This world is not. Heaven is Now. This world is but a veil covering the Truth.

[necrogenesis1981]

This still doesn't prove that christianity is correct, he showed no evidence whatsoever. As far as contradiction goes, he's being quite arrogant. The bible is FULL of contradictions. Don't try to tell me I'm "taking it out of context" either, there are many despicable things written in that book advocating murder, rape etc., how could they possibly be taken out of context? Apologists piss me off.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 Book ? Chapter ? Verses ? If you say its in the Bible then surely you know where they are located. And im not being arrogant or pompus im simply asking a question.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 More slavery: Timothy 6:1-2, Luke 12:47-48, Misogyny: Genesis 3:16, Leviticus 12:1-8, Deuteronomy 22:20-21, 1 Corinthians 14:34, 1 Timothy 2:11... I know there are plenty of others, but that would take hours to list all of them.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 Ok, Luke12:47-48. You definetley took that out of context, il explain. Jesus was speaking in a parable and it was about his return to earth "You must also be ready because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him" If you read the whole parable you will see. Which starts in Luke 12:33.That is not "advocating" anything. The parable was also saying that there is greater condemnation for those who know better and stil do things which are punishable.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 I'm not buying it. Luke 12:33 says to sell your possessions and give to the poor. How exactly can it logically go from one subject to another? And beating your "servants" as they're called is wrong period. It doesn't matter whether you're a god punishing for sins or not.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 You still have many more books and chapters to answer for as well, and you still haven't.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 Timothy 6:1-2. Again, that is not "advocating" anything. There were slaves back then. God gave them intstructions. Why are you trying to take it further than that ? Genesis 3:16 Mysogyny ? Really ? That is a little far. That is not hatred of women, that was her punishment for sin. Leviticus 12: 1-8 I'm unsure what you're trying to get at there. It was a ceremony/ regulation. Deuteronomy 22:20-21 That was their covenant withGod. Those laws werent forced on them,hence: covenant.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 If your god was truly loving he would have forbade slavery altogether and punished those for having them. Slavery under any circumstances is wrong. As for misogyny, yes it still was. Adam received very little punishment in relation to Eve. As for Leviticus 12:1-8, really? You see nothing wrong with that statement? Considering a woman unclean for a week just because she just had a child? Deuteronomy 22:20-21: Again Really? You'd condone stoning a woman for not being a virgin?

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 Slavery is a form of serving and Jesus came with humility and served and not to mention died in our place. And Eve was the one who forgot Gods instruction and was decieved and caused Adam to sin. And you have to remember that God is Holy so yeah he regarded that as unclean. and The stoning was just showing the seriousness of sin and the punishment for anyone who violated Gods law. And again i say, it was a Covenant.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 Still, why wouldn't Adam have been just as guilty? He knew what he was getting into just as much. Aren't men mentioned in the bible as supposedly being "smarter" than women?

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 1 Corinthians 14:34. Good point, but that was a letter specified to the church. It was customary, just like in those times it was customary for a man to ask a womans father for her hand in marriage and go away for a period of time to prepare a place for her. Custom... 1Timothy 2:11 That ties in with Gen. 3:16 not only was the woman made 2nd, that was her punishment for sin. The Bible teaches that a man should love his wife just as he loves himself.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 Fair enough, but if it was just customary it shouldn't have been included in the bible, just like the other ridiculous "customs" of the time. As for Eve, again, she received much worse punishments than Adam by a long shot. If that's not a misogynistic god I don't know what is.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 I understand where your coming from but i think you should watch this video that pertains to that, and it explains it better than i could. "Atheism, Feminism, and the Bible" very first video to show up by rzimmedia. Please at least watch it all the way through.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 And yeah there are those christians who are just not willing to understand or hear you out but theyre usually that way because they dont know what theyre talking about lol but i promise not all of us are like that. We should be willing to hear the arguements and have a mature and logical discussion about it.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 I absolutely agree with you on that. When I told my family I was no longer a christian some of my family members flipped out. I understand that as people get older they're set in their ways, but at the same time the same can be true for children. The Phelps family brainwashed most of their kids. There's no reasoning with those people. The most annoying thing is when people condemn me to hell for not believing. It doesn't upset me because I don't believe it, it's just irritating.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 Yeah thats just family though, they freak out over everything lol what did you think of the video that i recomended ?

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 I did watch the whole thing, and I was mostly fine with it until he started talking about morality. Morality and religio0n are mutually exclusive, as morality is highly subjective. It comes from human experience, not from a dogmatic claim. For the record I am not an atheist, I just don't feel that God would box humanity into a strict set of morals, regardless of free will. We would be required to find out for ourselves and use our own judgement.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis198 How is morality highly subjective ?

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 Because it's based on a society or upbringing. Then the individual usually tweaks the moral path they were taught later in life to suit their needs.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 But murder is muder and its wrong no matter how you're brought up right ?

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 Sorry I didn't get a notification about your latest comment. Yes, murder is wrong. However, it's only wrong from a common sense perspective. Contrary to what hardcore theists believe, even atheists have self control, they don't need a religion to judge what is right or wrong, it's only logical that you shouldn't kill unless it's for self preservation.

[Felix6512924]

@necrogenesis1981 Look i could go through all of these claims and briefly comment on them but i think you should take the time and actually read the entire bible through. With an open mind, an open heart, and without any presuppositions. Dont just take all the things you hear about the Bible and adopt and idea from it, actually search the scriptures and see for yourself and find the truth.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 I used to be a christian and I DID read the bible, every single day in fact. That's why I'm no longer one.

[necrogenesis1981]

@Felix6512924 To be fair though, I realize not all christians are insane, but for most trying to talk any sense into them is like talking to a wall. I'm not saying abandon christianity, I just wish the fundamentalists would stop being such bigots, especially the homophobes. I'm not gay, but hate disturbs me.

[necrogenesis1981]

@necrogenesis1981 Murder, rape and pillage: Judges 21:10-24, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, Deuteronomy 22:28-29, Death to rape victims: Deuteronomy 22:23-24, Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness": 2 Samuel 12:11-14, Rape of Female Captives: Deuteronomy 21:10-14, Rape and the Spoils of War: Judges 5:30, Sex Slaves: Exodus 21:7-11, God Assists Rape and Plunder: Zechariah 14:1-2 Slavery: Leviticus 25:44-46, Exodus 21:2-6, Exodus 21:7-11, Exodus 21:20-21, Ephesians 6:5

[BassP86]

@necrogenesis1981

Red herring. That's not the topic of video and you KNOW it. So don't play that game, dude.

[necrogenesis1981]

@BassP86 How is that not the topic? He's trying to explain how only christianity is true, which is NOT proven. Don't try to tell me it's true because the bible says it's true, that's just circular logic.

[BassP86]

@necrogenesis1981

"He's trying to explain how only christianity is true, which is NOT proven." - No he's not. He's trying to prove that it is reasonable to make an exclusive claim not an inclusive one. Just because he mentioned Jesus claiming "I am the Way..." is doesn't mean he is trying prove Christianity on that point alone. This is a classic strawman by skeptics on YOUTUBE, which only allows some channels to post videos that are less than 10 minutes long. So don't even try to claim such.

[binubindhu]

I PRAISE GOD FOR A PERSON LIKE RAVI ZACHARIA

[JoshyBloor]

Have you got this full video?