Engine Running on Hydrogen

[hydrogenauto]

I like to leave comments like yours up so others with a small amount of education can see what the real problem running on hydrogen is.

[kriegmeister3000]

What a crock of shit.

[panther105]

Man, the chain saw and the bare feet give me the creeps.....

[diesel4life7410]

i hope you oiled the piston thats a 2 stroke buddy

[hydrogenauto]

@diesel4life7410 Yep, I use a valve with a syphon for oil and the chainsaw still runs fine after all of these years. I have ran tons of hydrogen through it. But these videos were taken long before I posted them on youtube. I have it written in the comments that I have an oiling system.

[diesel4life7410]

@hydrogenauto ofcours its running fine after all these years its a STIHL lol but awesome idea tho

[hydrogenauto]

You are right. It is not always sunny. I cannot wait to hear what you are doing. I hope it is much better. I mean that sincerely.

[rushman819]

4 stroke would be better..

[decycle1]

if it will run the car it will run an electric generator for your home 

[hydrogenauto]

@decycle1 This is true, but personally I would still have to say that solar and running items which use less electricity is more efficient. I would also have to say the reason is, because more money has been poured into Solar technology than hydrogen. Eventually that will change.

[brandon9966]

@hydrogenauto pssshh we have more efficient ways of generating electricity... but yet ... they won't be used

[HyperSTAND]

@hydrogenauto are you stupid hydrogen is what in fuel like petrol /diesel. water contain 66% hydrogen what you doing is splitting hydrogen from oxygen contracted with carbon

[guruji243]

Is it not dangerous to bottle hydrogen?

Thanks for sharing

[hydrogenauto]

@guruji243 Yes, any compressed gas (especially flammable) requires precautions. In all fairness I wil have to say that Hydrogen can actually be safer than gasoline. When punctured gasoline will flow below the vehicle and is very likely to ignite. Hydrogen will immediately blow into the air and less likely to be ignited (not running through wiring). This is why anybody who has dealt with it knows the hindenburg was not burning hydrogen. It would not be a big orange ball. Feel free to do research.

[height198cm]

@hydrogenauto it was a mixture of the hydrogen and the outer skin of the blimp. when they were on the way to where it crashed it had to do a tight turn through a storm this broke one of the cables on the inside of it that then cut open one of the hydrogen cells then when they lowered the rain soaked docking rope as soon as it hit the ground the static electricity from the blimps metal frame went to the ground but the outer skin kept the static that then jumped to the frame igniting it.

[hydrogenauto]

@height198cm yes, there are many theories as to what actually caused the hindenburg to explode and the metalic based aluminum paint has been the most accepted. Again, all I can do is encourage people to safely ignite a small amount of hydrogen for themselves rather than believe anything wrote on the internet. If people would do their own experimenting, I believe over 50% of the information would be worthless.

[MeTube11Elevin]

That's great but idling chainsaws don't cut wood...

[hydrogenauto]

@MeTube11Elevin I have another video showing it running faster and I have cut wood with the saw using hydrogen many times, but the point is that anybody can do it. The video does not state "cutting wood with hydrogen saw". I actually had that video posted for awhile, but really didn't like dealing with all the questions when people weren't really going to run anything on hydrogen. They were basically wasting my time.. I am not selling anything.

[hydrogenauto]

Actually I do just about everything in bare feet, but here I am running a chainsaw and vehicles on hydrogen and I am assuming you think I am not that bright. What does that say about people who are still burning fuel and paying dearly for it?

[M5000thesdgversion]

Yes, run a chainsaw in bare feet. Great idea.

[mindthoughts1974]

That's great- you're mixing two stroke oil with hydrogen to run the two stroke chainsaw motor on hydrogen. Stanley Meyers create a system which is also outstanding.

[nixlplix3]

ummm dont you need oils for the 2cycle engine.......

did it burn up?



[ElectroMagnumMan]

But if you can make the HHO in the combustion chamber, you now only need a drop of water per power cycle.. Hmmmm makes you think if this is possible, my friend saw Stan Meyers direct injectionors himeself, only to find out they were theatrical props and never actually worked.

[ElectroMagnumMan]

HHO runs best in a sealed intake system with timing at TDC. The last time I checked the math it takes about 500 liters per minute to run an automobile on HHO. So the idea of on board producing HHO is a fable. We are moving to making HHO in the garage, seperating the oxygen, then running 100% H through a 3600psi home fueling station from CNGPUMP to power a CNG car, running CNG you advance timing to -10degrees, H is TDC. KOH or salt in the generator also has to be filtered out of the gas.

[hydrogenauto]

@ElectroMagnumMan We use a tank and run the vehicle. We do not mix the hydrogen with any other fuel.

[hydrogenauto]

@ElectroMagnumMan We use a tank and run the vehicle. We do not mix the hydrogen with any other fuel. The way we are running our vehicles on Hydrogen is not a fable and we do not do it like Stanley Meyers did or insinuate that we do. We simply show how we are running some engines on hydrogen. I would however suggest not running KOH or salt as a catalyst. This will only damage your engine unless you have modified it. It will also deteriorate your electrodes at an increased rate. Sincerely, Jerry.

[hydrogenauto]

Yup, even a redneck can run motors on hydrogen.

[pdhuntable]

Pretty cool, but a chainsaw and bare feet? Seriously?

[rca50a]

I feel bad for that old saw. Your going to seize it up if you keep running it like that...

[hydrogenauto]

@rca50a every now and then I get this type of comment. It states in the description how I prevent it from siezing. The old saw is still running after 3 years of running it on hydrogen and as stated in the description, I have an oil injection system. It does however take more oil than it would running on gasoline because Hydrogen does not have very good lubricating or cooling attributes.

[LeMieux250]

@hydrogenauto i was totally trippin balls when i saw a 2-stroke wuth seemingly no oil. I calmed down when i read the description. Great proof of concept! :)

[ve3tru]

"yes but that is gas if u preassureise it into liquid it will last much longer."

Liquid hydrogen is not like propane, you need to cool it way down and pressurize it to very high pressures.(dangerous) Expensive equipment that takes lots of energy to store and produce it this way, more energy in then out. Being the lightest element it leaks out of everything and you need more of it and doesn't even store well. Cheapest way to make it is with fossil fuels "Its a SCAM"

[hydrogenauto]

@ve3tru We are not using liquid Hydrogen and it is true that it is difficult to keep it from leaking out. However, If you could not contain Hydrogen, dealers would not sell it. We did make this hydrogen using electricity and I also use solar power. One of the cheapest ways would be to use thermal energy like Iceland is doing. A diesel engine is still the most efficient engine when it comes to power per fuel economy. No Scam here. Simply showing what we have done. We also run vehicles.

[vanadiumV]

omg !!! chainsaw

ecologic chainsaw massacre !!! hhhhhhhhhhh

[28kingIV]

@hydrogenauto Lol Thank you so much, your the BEST!!! :P

[cw3849]

Naw, sorry, I can't buy it i.e. you didn't show the cell putting hho into the saw so for all I know there was a trace of fuel (gas) in the saw anyway. NO disrespect intended.

[hydrogenauto]

@cw3849 I am always willing to show people that I am running an engine completely on hydrogen (no gasoline) and that this saw does not even have a carburetor. Unfortunately the scammer sites have really hurt the people who actually do run vehicles on hydrogen like our group and several others throughout the world. It is nice that a law was made to finally stop that and they are now prosecuting people who make claims which they cannot substaniate. You may want to look into it.

[cw3849]

@hydrogenauto well, I set my lawn mower up to try the HHO and when I pulled the rope I shot flames 4 feet in all directions, blew the air filter out the door, and blew the hell out of the bubbler, which threw catalyst all over the place. It was a pretty nasty mess. So I'm a little leary of ppl saying it can be done.

[hydrogenauto]

@cw3849 Roy McAlister has some videos which can show what needs to be done to run a 4 cycle engine. Look up Roy McAlister Engine Fundamentals #1 and 2. This will give you what you need to make the 4 cycle run. The 2 cycle needs very few modifications plus oil being added with the hydrogen. I have a pickup hose on my pneumatic air valve which sucks up oil as the valve is opened. The more it uses the more oil it picks up. Also a good spark arrestor might be in order.

[flameberg8]

haha thats awsome i just have one thing thats a 2stroke and it needs oil mixed with the fuel but other then that thumbs up for the environment haha

[hydrogenauto]

Actually I still have an automatic oiling drip system when I run the saw on Hydrogen. It still needs to be lubricated.

[hydrogenauto]

This is not a political statement. I am simply showing an engine running on hydrogen. I appologize to the people who feel threatened, as ridiculous as that may sound.

[shemphen9]

well done...after i have been making a magnetic oscilletor which i still use to charge my batteriesand now i want to convert a gasoline generator into an hydrogen generator....i have been looking around a bit and i got quite clear about the hydrogen generetor parts ..but i still not fully understand where the hydrogen need to go in the motor....is just from the air filter????......where can i find a visual diagram?...thanks again...om

[hydrogenauto]

Get the input line as close to the intake valve as possible. Watch Roy McAlister's Engine Fundamentals to get a detail of the difference between hydrogen and gasoline and how it is done. He has details on the hook up as well. Hope this helps.

[xzur69]

if i remember correctly you shouldnt have to turn it upside down i cannot remember which pulls the hydro/oxy either the cathode or annode(+ -) but basicly one pulls hydro the other oxy if you sep. the 2 you should be able to use just hydro

[hydrogenauto]

Hydrogen is the lightest molecule that I am aware of (#1 on the table). It will be at the top.

[mashersmasher]

does this actually seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen or does it simply pump all the gas collected from the electrolyzer? if so then modifying the carborator to take less air may improve the performance

[hydrogenauto]

We do not run a "Carburetor" per say. We simply use a tube with a regulator and pneumatic valve (reference Roy McAlister for videos). If any oxygen is left with the hydrogen, it will turn to water (H2O). This is why we have to separate it.

[johnpbache]

ok... so if you need to seperate out the oxygen, tell me just what happens to the hydrygen when it been through the engine ? It burns with the oxygen in the air and turns into steam and then condenses into water you berk. Look... trust me ... if you turn water into hydrogen and oxygen in the most efficient way in the universe, then it's still impossible to get more energy out than you put in to get it when you use the hydrogen as a fuel.

[hydrogenauto]

I think you need to make hydrogen or buy some and ignite a small amount to see what happens. Nasa also has some good information on why they use hydrogen in space. Also Lawrence Livermore lab did some experimenting with pressure where hydrogen was actually turned into a type of liquid metal. Actual doing will settle all theories or assumptions. I can only explain and show what we have factually done and are still doing.

[ozzyvanhalenrox]

If the chain saw is a two stroke, don't you have to have the oil mixed in to?

[hydrogenauto]

I did answer this question in the description. We have cut lots of wood with this chainsaw using hydrogen in that last 2 years. It would be crazy to think we haven't made any advancements since these videos. Yes, you need to have lubrication to the cylinders and I still run this saw. Our main point is that anybody can make hydrogen and run something on it.

[mlcoo17]

opps, that should be " the volume of 2 liters of gasoline after it's vaporized "

[mlcoo17]

drisco is mistaken in his math. 20 psi is a measure of pressure not volume. As far as comparing to gasoline, you need to think in terms of volume of gasoline vapor to volume of hydrogen. That size tank at 20 psi comes nowhere even close the volume of 2 liters of gasoline vapor. This is one of the major problems with hydrogen as a fuel - storage. Do you have any idea how much compression and how many tanks you need to compare to a normal gas tank in a car? I don't think you do.

[hydrogenauto]

If you are wanting just an idea of how many tanks or the size you can find out at Roy McAlisters website or from his book since he has the formulas. You can put a smaller tank for hydrogen and go further than a gasoline tank if you have a high pressure such as 5000 psi like the Honda uses. They are working on getting it to 10,000 PSI. I have found that 200 PSI in a tank about half the size of the gasoline tank does not go very far with an economical car.

[driscol1818]

sike. this video is fake. your engine would run a hell of a lot longer on 20 pounds... 1 kg, about an eighth of 20 Lbs, is equal to a few litters of gasoline. it would take longer than 50 seconds even at full rpm to run all that fuel. why do you try to deceive people?

[hydrogenauto]

No deceptions at all. It mainly depends on how much hydrogen it is and how big the tank is. I am just factually making hydrogen, putting it in a tank, and running the saw on it. Maybe that is difficult to understand for some.

[hydrogenauto]

Rather than removing your statement I invite you to actually see it run if you have doubt and see for yourself how long it runs at 20 lbs. What you see is what you get. Just plain facts. Maybe you should try it first before you assume.

[Hewkll]

Can you use regular water for a engine like this?

Like in a boat

[hydrogenauto]

We normally use rain water to make our hydrogen, but pretty much any water can be used. You can run hydrogen in a two cycle boat motor. They are not very efficient so it takes a lot of hydrogen. Other modifications would be retarding the timing and I would suggest increasing the oil that is injected because hydrogen has very little lubricating qualities. More information can be found on our website.

[calistofox]

yes i believe you because i tested too but in a oleomac, (garden cutter ?) but whe have always the problem of the water bhing always present. im a mechanic too from portugal ! keep the good work! by the way i give up on hho, now im tring to tune just with water steam keeping simple!

[hydrogenauto]

The way a lot of the "water4fuel" sites have people make an electrolyzer, it basically becomes a steam injection system. The steam will give you better mpg than the hydrogen produced. We found the only real way to run the engine is to store it in a tank. Sounds like you are doing great things! Keep up your work also! And thank you for the comment.

[calistofox]

that IS a 08S FROM STHIL!!!! THAT IS A CLASSIC CHAIN SAW! PLEASE DO YOUR TESTS IN OUTHER THINGS MAN!!!

[hydrogenauto]

The piston actually looks like it did when I bought it. No discolor or unusual wear. Since hydrogen burns up faster it really doesn't put the pressure on it. Also since we run oil with the hydrogen, it looks just as we thought it would. I may only have 8 years of experience with hydrogen, but I do have over 30 years as a certified mechanic. Whether or not a 2 cycle needs oil has never been an issue for me.

[HHOhybridBuilder]

Why is the chain not turning?

[hydrogenauto]

I have another video showing the chain turning. I thought it a little dangerous with bare feet to spin the chain so I ran it at a fast idle (the chain does spin a little). I also have videos of me cutting wood using hydrogen, but I have not posted those. This is not the point. The real point is even a hillbilly in bare feet can run things on Hydrogen.

[letterpool]

the chain isn't turning because its not reving high enough. most chainsaws I've seen only spin when you giver balls.

[Dorisequador]

Good think we invented gaz ! Lol

Nice chain saw.

[phunkaddikt]

I dont understand. You used 20 pounds of hydrogen in less than a minute? Or were you using the generator¿

[hydrogenauto]

Good question. Shows you are thinking about the thing that really matters. How long can I run my engine on HHO? Very refreshing. Yes, it used 20 lbs of HHO in less than a minute. Using a standard electrolyzer you get lots of Oxygen with it, so it is not as volatile. There are better ways to generate Hydrogen and we drain off the oxygen to run bigger engines. Even doing that we can only run the saw twice as long. That is still a LOT of Hydrogen.

[phunkaddikt]

Thanks for clearing that out. I myself am doing some inventions with HHO and this is something good to keep in mind. Cheers.

[JackTerminator]

yes but that is gas if u preassureise it into liquid  it will last much longer just look at the bmw car

[hydrogenauto]

@JackTerminator Yes, look at the BMW car. It is over $120K and only a few people in the world can afford to even drive it. This is far from our goal. We are working on making it affordable for everybody and having the capability to fill up from home. I think a $10K car is too much money, especially if it gets less than 35 mpg.

[antichistes200x]

I have a doubt, how much electric energy you use per hour to produce how many pounds of hydrogen?

[hydrogenauto]

We are simply running an engine on Hydrogen (No Gasoline). I am not trying to prove or disprove anything. Please visit our website and read Hydrogen Basics. Using a vehicles charging system is one of the most inefficient ways to generate electricity. We are trying to save people time and money.

[divedeep17g]

i was thinking once the hydrogen and oxygen burn it makes water which cant be good for the motor

[hydrogenauto]

Contrary to what many websites claim, I have never had water come out my tail pipe. Hydrogen is more volatile than gasoline so when you ignite it, not much is left.

[shambles9]

No mass is created or destroyed, the ignited hydrogen combined with oxygen in the atmosphere to become water. Due to the heat of the formation this water is probably in vapour form and this is why you don't notice it.

[EmoDog666]

That's a two stroke, and if your just puting hydrogen and oxygen gas then it's not getting any oil and will seize in no time.

[kdkinen]

I know it works , but you should demo that it's empty before you attempt to intro hydrogen :P

--just more undeniable that way

[hydrogenauto]

I took the simplist thing I had to show people they can do it. Personally I have been retired for awhile and very seldom drive fueled vehicles. I just figured the way things were demanded people see there are alternatives out there. Thank you for your comments.

[kk100QM]

Also, why is everyone assuming it's H and O coming out of the splitting process? Normal electrolysis of a salt water would produce H and Cl, not H and O. If you don't add salt then sure, you'll get H and O only, but add salt and it's a different story. H and Cl are still highly reactive, and just as explosive if stored together (and producing pure HCl if reacted!) The whole thing is a bit scary.

[hydrogenauto]

What happens with us is Hydrogen and Oxygen are separated. We drain off the oxygen from the tank. If Chlorine or other elements are in the water we cannot run hardly anything. If too much steam is produced due to overheating, again an engine will not run. Scary is gasoline draining below you after an accident or if a fuel line breaks. Hydrogen on the other hand immediately goes straight into the air so I don't suggest mounting a tank below where you sit.

[kk100QM]

They are still alive because I assume the H and O stratify in the tank, with the H floating to the top. Since the valve is on the top, they will first get the H only, then it will change over to O only. As long as pure H is coming out, the reaction won't propagate back though the tube. I wonder if there was pressure left in the tank after the saw stopped. If the two gasses are well mixed in the system, the thing is lethal. Question becomes is the tank strong enough to contain the released energy

[HHOhybridBuilder]

That tank is very explosive.You are lucky it did not explode.Compressing a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen on a tank is thesame as a HYDROGEN BOMB.

[hydrogenauto]

Compressing even just air is dangerous. You do have to be careful and follow rules. OSHA has some good practices listed to follow when dealing with compressed flammable gases. Honda compresses 5000 PSI into tanks on thier hydrogen vehicle and they want to raise the pressure to 10,000 PSI. They also have the information on how their system is setup. Compressing it is the only way I am able to run my motorcycle or vehicle on it.

[BasementBen]

You compressed oxyhydrogen? Isn't that dangerous, what if the tank exploded.

Tell me if I am wrong, I think compressing this gas is very usefull, thanks for your help,

Ben.

[freedomorelse]

Good job.