The world revolution which we will experience will be exclusively our affair and will rest in our hands. This revolution will tighten the Jewish domination over all other people.
- Le Peuple Juif,February 8,1919
We have exterminated the property owners in Russia. We are going to do the same thing in Europe and America.
International businesses choose countries with socialized medicine over the USA because in those other countries they don't pay excessive amounts for healthcare. The current system is making businesses choose Canada over the USA as a place to expand business. Americans pay $13,000/ year for healthcare coverage. We're already paying too much check your COBRA rates & see why USA spends the greates % of its GDP on healthcare in the entire world.
He's against the government being in the "health insurance business" AND YET . . . as a senator, he himself has government health insurance. How do YOU say "HYPOCRITE"?
You think he's an "idiot"? Sorry--he a a shrew, wormy CROOK: he has been bribed by insurance corporations! He needs to be indicted and removed from office.
This wormy little bastard has been bought by the insurance corporations (over $1.5 million from them that we know about). He is rightly called "Traitor Joe." Too bad the voters of CT have to live with this piece of crap for the next few years!
Maybe if there is a public option, people will actually be able to afford to go to the hospital or doctor. Then we will have a need for more medical personnel and that means more jobs. Joe Lieberman sucks.
He says fixing the economy is more important. There will be no economy if people are sick and can't work. There are more insurance companies based in his state of CT. than anywhere else. Go Figure!
This guy is a total idiot. While both the public option and expansion of medicare gone, the provision that requires us to buy health care or be FINED is still in the bill. This is attrocious.
Maybe you're right. America is one dumb country. You would think it had learned it's lesson after electing Bush, one of the worst president's in US history, not once but twice.
You would think it had learned it's lesson after the Republicans ran the country into the ground, going from surplus to deficit, gutting the mf'g industry, unchecked illegal immigration, failing to stop credit card abuses, and the list goes on. But new crop of stupids is already set to repeat the insanity.
The last time the Republicans let Unbridled captalism to take it course the Republicans lost the House vote for 20 years 12 years of FDR and another 8 years of Truman. back then it was Social Security that got the marginal vote today it is health care the Parallels are amazing. If History has anything to do with it the republican party is doomed for the 20 years thank goodness. I don't suppose history and context was your strong point.
Ps - consider the public option dead and BURRIED now that Blue Dogs see the sweep in Virginia....a couple of more hours and we'll see how the results of the NY and NJ elections steer this country away from Obamacare.
Let's face it, if Republicans win NJ and VA's governor's races - the PUBLIC OPTION IS GOOOOOOOOOONE
Yeah, That would be a great idea, If 65% of the uninsured weren't already employed yet still can't afford health insurance, DINGLE BERRIE!!!! BUT WAIT! Why am I telling you, You're obviously too fucking stupid to have a job with benefits other than a free whooper and fries for lunch break, So you already know about working and having no health insurance, Don't you, You hillbilly fuck wad!!!
I'll explain it to you like I do to every other liberal who has had a labotomy. I have, and provide insurance for 50+ employees of mine. If they want the public option that is fine, I'll fire them. Liberals don't understand that this isn't going to be free - but more expensive than what I am already offering them at my company. No, I don't actually serve 'whooper and fries' (whatever a whooper is anyway), but I am part owner of several franchises - Buffalo Wild Wings, try their new sauces!!
"If 65% of the uninsured weren't already employed yet still can't afford health insurance"
And you'll see more often than not that those same people who 'can't afford health insurance" can somehow afford cable and PS3 on their 60" plasma and iPod and a Suburban.
Something they need to learn: PRIORITIES. They want everything - but they don't want to work for it.
"Sen. Lieberman has long been known to cultivate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, which provide jobs in his home state and contributions to his campaign fund. But he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife, Hadassah, joined Hill & Knowlton last year. The legendary lobbying and PR firm hired her as a senior counselor in its health and pharmaceuticals practice.
One of the positives of the Canadian healthcare system is that the per capita healthcare costs in Canada are about half that of the US. However, the current bill being debated in Congress will likely increase per capita health care costs by increasing the demand by 47 million people, which is likely to increase by another 13 million over the first three years, and not significantly increasing supply, leading to a shortage of doctors and nurses, and thus increasing costs.
Why doesn't the government push to drive health care costs down BEFORE they talk about insuring the 47 million uninsured in this country? It seems to me like they are putting the cart before the horse. Also of those 47 million, 30 million would qualify for existing coverage under medicaid but don't sign up, 12 million could purchase their own coverage but don't prioritize it, and only 5 million are denied coverage due to preexisting conditions. Why don't we focuse on those 5 million instead?
Opinion, whatever. I heard the same schpeal. He's up the insurence company's back end. jobs can be created in health care. republicans helping america is like asking them to accept gays. republicans will easily eat their own, than evolve upon change. Of course thats assuming they know how the hell a biological beings are influenced by their environment. God, forbid the fruit of knowledge, remember or was it the church? Out of the box is a whole world for humans toenjoythanwaitingfortheend
"The problem isn't insurance companies, its medicine prices. "
What planet do you live on? Sure, drug prices are oftentimes rather high but the bigger problem are grossly inflated insurance premiums, recission, and coverage refusal due to pre-existing conditions.
Nobody blames the hospitals for charging $700 per suture. Let me modify what I said. Insurance companies are responsible for high medicine prices. If you ask for an itemized bill at a hospital you'll be laughed at, a doctor couldn't even tell you how much a ER visit will cost. We have been going to the hospital for things like the flu and sprained ankles, so when nobody is asking the cost, of course prices are inflated. We've had gov managed care for 45 yrs, why would want more?
If Obama gets his way, our $11.4 trillion public debt will rise to over $23 trillion by 2019, leading to massive inflation and the possible collapse of US currency. Is helping the poor will worth the destruction of our country?
All things considered, is passing another massive entitlement program really the morally right thing to do? Disregarding money when considering any policy issue negates your ability to consider the potential negative impacts of the policy.
You just bought Lieberman's characterization of the public option as an entitlement program. As Lieberman knows full well it's not an entitlement program. It's an government run (but not taxpayer funded) insurance plan option. Anyone chosing the plan would have to pay the premiums, just like for private insur. & the plan has to operate entirely on premiums. You just perfectly demonstrated how someone is so easily mislead by a sleazeball politicians spin.
Now you're playing with semantics. The idea that a government insurance company will be able to "compete" on a level playing field with the private sector is ignorant. If the government really wanted to allow for more competition in the health insurance industry to drive costs down, they would push for tort reform, allowing for more interstate competition. Also, the CBO recently estimated the costs of the public option to be $1.4 trillion. So, obviously it will cost taxpayers.
Listening to you is the same as watching Fox News, no doubt where you get your B.S.
Virtually every other advanced nation has both some form of public (or UHC) and private options.Why would anyone think that the U.S. is the only country that couldn't make it work? As for CBO, use your google instead of just being brainwashed by Republicans & Fox News. CBO est. cost of the entire bill, not the public option, is $829 billion over 10 years.
Reading your comments is like reading a Daily KOS blog. You can't possibly believe that the Canadian and European single-payer health care systems aren't significantly flawed. Also, I would encourage you to check your facts, the CBO estimated the cost of the Affordable Health Choices Act to be around $1.4 trillion dollars, and the current modified House health bill will was estimated to be around $1.2 trillion by a CBO report issued yesterday.
First you said that the public option would cost $1.4 trillion. Now in the space of the last hour, you have changed your claim to $1.2 trillion for the entire HC bill. .
A google just found this in Wash. Post: :
C. B. O. ..cost est.'s for 2 competing versions of [the health care bill]...
House leaders have been working to lower the cost of the $1.2 trillion H.C. package they offered in July. ...puts the cost of one plan at $859 billion over 10 yrs & the other at $905 billion" Still checking
There are two major versions of the healthcare bill: the intiial version was the Affordable Health Choices Act, and the current bill being debated in the house is labeled the Affordable Health Care for America Act.
looking at HR3962 I see why it was relly dead before it got started.
"(A) IN GENERAL.--Members of Congress (as defined in section 2106 of title 5, United States Code) and the dependents of Members of Congress shall be enrolled in the public health insurance option under subtitle B. For purposes of the proceeding sentence, Members of Congress and the dependents of Members of Congress shall each be treated as an Exchange-eligible individual"
GOP smears the syst. using the more recent increase in wait times.
2009 Nanos Research poll: ..86.2% of Cnd.s surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions
2009 Harris/Decima poll:..82% of Cnds preferred their H.C. system to the one in the U.S., more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system for Canada.
2008 Strategic Counsel survey 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system to that of the U.S
The fact is, wait times for significant injuries and illnesses are much higher than in the US. There is no question about that. The median wait time for surgeries is 4 weeks, and the median wait time to see a special physician is alittle over 4 weeks. Also, 24% of Canadians wait more than 4 hours in the emergency room. (Healthy Canadians: Canadian government report on comparable healthcare indicators).
You pick some figures from somewhere, fail to establish any comparisons with the U.S., draw inappropriate conclusions based on that meager fare, and then expect anyone to think you have made some sort of point. Quit wasting my time. You are a write-off. Enjoy your skyrocketing HC premiums.
Using polls among Canadians comparing their healthcare system to a healthcare system they have no experience with is the best way to draw inappropriate conclusions pal. You sound like a sore looser. Enjoy liberal la la land.
Given that Canada has a population of only around 33 million, and the US has a population of over 300 million, a Canadian-style health care system in the US could have horrific results.
LOL SgtSoot, I gets me when these nuts in Canada(really anywhere) compare the whole USA to their countries with the population of but one of the states in America.
Yes the US will have the hishest in pretty much everything. Deaths... oh wait, I looked up death rates around the world. And it show the whole of the US as much if not lower than every other nation in the world.
You seem to be in denial of the fact that this bill will cost anything at all, but the reality is that this bill will cost a substantial amount of taxpayer money during a time when our country is suffering from 9.8% unemployment, and buried under an $11.4 trillion mountain of debt. Don't you know kool-aid is bad for you?
Since when do you fix the current system of government entitlement programs by establishing another massive government entitlement program? Don't you think it would be more pragmatic to try and fix the current system before establishing a new one?
The quality of healthcare is not the problem in the US, it's the per capita costs, which are by far the highest in the world. Any government policy aimed at healthcare reform should seek to lower per capita healthcare costs. The current house bill does not, in fact it will increase the per capita costs of healthcare; therefore, it will only make the problem worse. In the meantime, it will be adding to our already massive debt.
Republicans and Democrats will often either underestimate or exaggerate the costs of a bill depending on their policy positions. The most reliable source of information on the costs of policy initiatives comes from the CBO website, although these estimates should also be subjected to scrutiny. Past CBO cost estimates have often been substantially lower than the costs that were incurred on specific policies. For example, the initial CBO cost estimate for medicaid were 1/30 of this year's costs.
Now if you want to buy HC insurance you are forced to buy it from a private insurance co. That's like buying a ticket from a scalper. That's the beauty of the public option. Don't trust gov. or private insur. co.'s. Let'em both have a plan & let people chose the one they like. Every other advanced nation has both some form of public option or UHC and private insur. option. It's time for the U.S. to catch up. U.S. health care has pockets of excellence. Access limitations are disgraceful.
"if you WANT to buy", as of now if I don't WANT to buy any healthcare I can do without.
So no one is foced to buy forced to buy at all.
But under HR3200 you are "FORCE" to have healthcare if you want it or not or be taxed anyway. It don't matter to Obama if you have Obamacare or not you'll still be taxed for it.
Yes, but if you don't buy insur. and you are injured or seriously ill you wind up in the emergency ward - the most expensive form of HC delivery - paid for entirely at the expense of tax-payers and policy holders. Everyone has a chance of having to access the HC system so everyone should contribute. If you think otherwise it's something we will never agree on.
I pay my bills. No one pays my bills but me. Maybe that how you do things in life. Creat a bill and want everyone else pay your bills for you.
Everyone has the chance to have healthcare now. Funny how some people say they can't afford HC but yet can afford a $5000 vacation every year or cellphones for every memeber in the house,ect...
I'll contribute only if only those that do contribute
I'll contribute only if only those that do contribute are the only ones covered. And the government has nothing and I mean nothing to do with it. That goes for collecting the money or making mandates. No government committees.
Not sure that wouldn't be a good thing. At least for gov't run plan politicians want to keep public happy because they want to get re-elected. Private insur. co's only have vested interest in denying claims. Virtually every other advanced nation has both some form of public option (or UHC) and private options. Why would anyone believe the GOP line and think think that the US is the only country in the world where a pub. option would kill the insur. co.'s.?
what worst because he didn't pay peoples house payments or put gas in their cars. not once but twice......oh wait I work 7/12 most the time he was in office. so yes bust did make my house payments and put gas in my cars and trucks.
But under Obama I haven't worked but 2 whole months. Had to sell 1 of my cars and 1 of my trucks. Living off my savings and unemployment.
Saving that I made under Bush is going fast, unemployment I have to pay taxs on. now with Obama,higher taxs.
The country went into massive debt under Bush. Manufacturing jobs were decimated. The financial system on the brink of collapse. Obama inherited Bush's mess. Forget politics, Economists themselves disagree about the stimulus package, but the majority feel that without it we could have been plunged into another "great depression". Obama is not an economist. He took the measures most economists said was necessary. Sadly, higher taxes may be the cost of the Bush legacy.
Yeah right, so Bush inherited Clinton's mess and Clinton inherited (daddy)Bush's mess, and (daddy)Bush inherited Ronald Reagan.
Damn kid I heard that bullshit all my life. It's an old wifes tale.
Every thing that happens from the day Obama is sworn in is Obama's, nobody elses. Every layoff, every outsourced job,every illegal that crosses the border. Every us troop that is killed.
One big problem with our nation being like the other countries that have national health care is cost. I you look at all of the industrialized nations with it, they use the US for their national defense. We would have to completely decimate our armed forces to afford the new proposal and then who would defend the world? France? Germany? England? China? Yea Right.
i find that remarkably funny your Army is taught battle tactics and so forth from the British Army who has a longer list of successes in it military history. Your Army failed in Vietnam and has failed in Iraq. Go figure. You be classed the best Army in the World you have to do more than talk about how great it is you do have to win occasionally.
"Anyone choosing the plan would have to pay the premiums" Thats the PUBLIC dipstik! And when the people who cannot afford anything have to get on board who pays for their subsidies? The PUBLIC dipstik!
The public already pays those people's health care costs either through medicaid, and by suffering from usurious insurance rates caused in part by the uninsured using the ER as their clinic. They can't pay the 1000 bucks or so to visit the ER so it falls on the backs of the taxpayer.
We're going to pay for it anyway, we might as well pay for the less expensive option.
It has to do with giving the government control over another portion of our lives. I dont know about you but I think they have enough friggin control now! BIG GOVERNMENT!!!BAD!!!
All in all I agree that the least amount of government intrusion the better. On the other hand, the government exists to serve the populace. health care reform is about much more than getting insurance for those without, it's also about protecting the rights of those with insurance and eliminating fraud and waste in existing government provided health care. The only way this gives addt'l control is that everyone will be forced to have health insurance of some sort, private or otherwise.
It's true, the current bill being debated in Congress will force everyone to be insured through some program, but the coverage will be subsidized, costing taxpayers trillions of dollars. If the government really sought to serve the polulace, they would reduce spending to cut down on the $11.4 public debt. The Obama Administration's policies will likely lead us to financial ruin, and I don't view that as serving the populace.
The current health bill if passed in current form is designed to be deficit neutral. Also, those participating in the public option will be required to pay premiums. It will interesting to the see the CBO numbers on this latest version. IIRC, the CBO estimated HB3200 would have saved > 800 billion over to years.
Did you know that Medicare operates more efficiently than ANY private insurance company? The difference is quite striking.
I have the latest numbers issued by the CBO. According to a CBO report issued yesterday, the current modified House Health Bill would cost $1.2 trillion and would not be deficit neutral. Obama's current 2009 budget already has a deficit of $1.6 trillion.
Additionally, waiste, fraud, and corruption are side effects of any government entitlement program. If the current health bill will eliminate waist and fraud in medicare and medicaid, why wasn't this done 20 years ago. The answer is that it is nearly impossible to eliminate these negative externalities because of how government entitlement programs are structured. The claims made by the Obama Adminstration that they will eliminate fraud and corruption in these programs is completely false.
Why would a government buried under massive entitlement programs and tremendous debt want to pass the biggest entitlement program in American History?
With all due respect, that is a bit nieve. Remember, 16 years ago many people throughout the country thought that it would be a great idea to allow financial intstitutions to offer subprime mortgages to lower income home buyers, because everyone should be able to own a home right? After all, the issue wasn't about money. However, the resulting collapse of the housing bubble sparked a worldwide financial meltdown, and tens of millions of people are suffering from unemployment throughout the world
So if you owed 105 trillion dollars an knew you could never repay it, what would be the quickest way to bring that debt to zero? Thats right crash the dollar till it is worthless! What is 105 trillion times zero? Right again ZERO!
Lieberman is fighting primarily the public option because he's protecting his primary campaign donors, the private insurance companies. He knows the public option is not an entitlement program, just a sefl-sustaining insurance plan option. God it's so easy for Fox News, Republicans, & Joe Lieberman to spread their lies & have the weak-minded fall for them and then go around spreading them.
Yeah, LIEberman wants healthcare reform like the Medicare Reform Act of 2003 that mainly accomplished nothing but enrichening big pharma and big insurance.
Since when did a government program that provides personal financial benefits to select groups of citizens using taxpayer funds stop becoming entitlement programs. I think your bias has ran off with your brain. Its time to leave liberal la la land and come back to reality pal.
I've tried to call this little weasel's office for 3 days (phone number for Lieberman Conn. office is (860) 549-8463, option 2) but naturally his "mailbox is full".
I e-mailed him too, the little paid whore of the insurance industry.
This bill is ludicrous. Taxing employers when were are at 10% unemployment. Taxing individuals who don't have insurance. Mandates that require what plan you have to purchase forcing some out of current plans and into higher rates. Expanding medicare that already cost taxpayers billions in waste a year and is broke. Raise marginal tax rates above 50 percent in 38 states. 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" insurance plans. Over a TRILLION dollars and still 20 million not covered? Are they daft!
Two questions. 1. What are the two most heavly government regulated entities that cost taxpayer the most and have the most waste? A. Education and Healthcare.
2. What are the two highest cost Government regulated systems that are complete failures?
A. Education (we rank lower world wide every year) and healthcare.
LOL the USA ranks low in education due the fact the government control. Having school spend more time in the day learning about how to be a better faggot or best was to have sex. If you get knocked up the best places to get money off the government.
Get the governmnet out of education.
But now they want total control over healthcare.
The government is out to see how many people they can kill of not heal.
Mostly Agreed! Did you know that when Public schooling was started, it was for the poorest of the poor? Now it's for everyone except for the richest! That is the nature of government, They get their foot in the door of a social progral (Erm... Medicaid?!) Jack up the prices for everybody else by proxy through their program, then come with a "solution" that EVERYONE can be dependent on their crappy programs!
Here's how government screws things up. if they say it'll take $10 billion in taxs to pay for a program, but yet tax to the point them take in $50 billion. The government looks at the $40 billion as extra and spends it on other useless government programs. And not what it was collected for. Then the program that tax for goes under or more taxs are add'ed for them, which are still extra and is spent on other useless governmnet programs.
I'm doing design work right now for a lawyer who literally charges hundreds of dollars an hour just to force the insurance companies to pay for necessary care for her clients.
Today, she mentioned that the charge to one of her clients for a single syringe - just the material - was $42. Our system is an utter, complete, contemptible disgrace. Hope we get a little of that much-promised "change."
The problem is this health plan won't lower cost for services but actually make prices higher. This plan does nothing to deal with high prices. It is an expansion of medicare, but with much higher premiums. Gov. set the prices for 1/2 the healthcare sector directly and the other indirectly. They control production and consumption. They have done a lousy job of keeping cost down. Medicare waste $1 to every $3 it spends. Is that a plan worth expanding?
he's not a flip flopper. he has never been for americans. He is a corporate and Israeli puppet. it's a total theft of our democracy that this guy would even get elected.
I see you dumb ass kids still think that with public option (name of the gov insurance company) that every man, woman and child will be covered. Wrong by COG,budge committee and obam himself, about 25 million Americans will still not be allowed to be covered. That's how many is believed to not beable to afford even gov ran healthacer.
If you don't pay the tax you don't get coverage.
hey don't get pissed at me I didn't write HR3200. Get pissed at Obama if he signs it.
This was such an inevitable thing to happen. Joe Lieberman announces hes undecided, the Insurance companies buy his vote, he's happy. Just another greedy congress critter...I saw this coming from DAY ONE.
tort reform, more competition, enforce existing legislation, these are ways to fix what ails the health care system in the u.s. medicaid can handle the rest bankrupt or not.
the ironic thing is most of the uninsured people whining about the need for the public option are young people who could insure themselves for $2000 a year, about 25% of what the public option would cost them in increased taxes.
If gov would stay out of our way we would all be wealthy enough to self insure.
Libruls should be more careful, for they might get what Demonrats and the media (Oblama puppets) say they want. Once it's in, they can't take it back and they'll have to live with the consequences no matter that they have no idea of how bad this legislation is for their own health and their freedom. Libs will become the slaves of government, and likely be aborted (rationed) before they realize what happened, because they are weakest link in society.
All the civilized countries of the world have some kind of public option for their citizens.
Why is USA being the most backwards country about it? There are millions of pages worth of data proving that public option is better for the people. Yet some people act like it's the end of the world, like it's something unheard of. Stop the spread of ignorance in USA.
Yeah but this America where what you see out of the government is not what you get.
These dumb ass kids whined about the same shit fro bush,but yet throw their lifes at the feet of Obama.
Take just the pages of the bill that has anything to do with healthcare it'll only be about 300 pages, the rest is changing only laws that are on the books that have nothing to do with healthcare.
Mostly new taxs so Obama ca replace the money he stolen and gave to Kenya.
Lieberman: Having nothing or doing nothing is better than Health Care reform with a Public Option.
Because the way it is titled now, people may think Lieberman totally did a 180 by saying that there is "nothing" better than Health Care reform that includes a Public Option.
YOU AIN'T NOTHING BUT A HOUND DOG(looking mother fucker) LYING ALL THE TIME!!
YOU'RE THE BITCH OF THE INSURANCE COs. AND YOU AIN'T NO FRIEND OF MINE!!!
THEY SAY YOU HAVE YOUR NOSE UP THE INSURANCE COs. ASS, YEAH YOUR NOSE IS UP THE INSURANCE COs. ASS!!!
AND NOW YOU VOTING WITH THE REPUBLICANS, AND THE UNINSURED WILL CONTINUE TOOOOOOOOOO DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! JOE LIEberman The King of COCK and BULL!!!!
When a senator represents a corporation or an insurance company you have fascism. When a senator represents the good of the people you have democracy. We all know what Lieberman is now.
No mention of a public option in the campaign? What campaign was he watching, it was mentioned every time obama was asked about healthcare.
And how about his own campaign in 2006 when he ran on a platform that included public healthcare. I haven't trusted this guy since he was exposed as a sith lord in the last starwars movie.
People think that Liberman is working for them are wrong and those Americans who are against the public option are brainwashed by corporate media including the ones that are accused of being lefty (such as CNN).
Public option is only way to go to cover insurance for those who can't afford it. If you let private sector do it, then you are paying 7 figure salary of the CEOs and CFOs who care nothing but making money. Public option puts insurance companies in check and makes them more competative.
what you dont get is that hospitals will only get 20% of the cost of the procedure now as opposed to 80% from private insurance - that means that hospitals cant afford to pay their workers what they currently get paid - I will get called into human resources and told that my wage has been renegotiated and all the money and time i spent on my education will be meaningless - thanks Obama for causing me to lose my healthcare job - and thanks to all who voted for him for now giving me welfare...
Prominent Democrats ran Fannie Mae, the same government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) that donated campaign cash to top Democrats. And one of Fannie Maes main defenders in the House Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., a recipient of more than $40,000 in campaign donations from Fannie since 1989 was once romantically involved with a Fannie Mae executive. - I guess this means that Democrats have been bought and paid for by the Mortgage Industry...
Maybe his personal beliefs and morals can't be characterized by a single party. I'm an athiest who believes in limited government, special case abortions and the death penalty. What party do you think I'm registered as?
"Sen. Lieberman has long been known to cultivate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, which provide jobs in his home state and contributions to his campaign fund. But he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife, Hadassah, joined Hill & Knowlton last year. The legendary lobbying and PR firm hired her as a senior counselor in its health and pharmaceuticals practice.
Heres a list of Obama contributors and their amounts: University of California $1,591,395 Goldman Sachs $994,795 Harvard University $854,747 Microsoft Corp $833,617 Google Inc $803,436 Citigroup Inc $701,290 JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132 Time Warner $590,084 Sidley Austin LLP $588,598 Stanford University $586,557
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So get the 20 some million people health insurance and leave us the fuck alone, commie marxist bastards. (the other 20 million are illegals and those who choose not to spend their money on insurance, like the young, or irresponsible) Oh no, there aren't any deadbeatlazy, irresponsible jerks out there!!!!
Just because 85% "have" health insurance does NOT mean they are satisfied with it (the asinine "health insurance company"-based system). As someone who has to go and buy it, I am included in that "85%" and I know that our system is a complete scam! And it is getting worse by the minute. Anybody who's self-employed (or has dealt with these thieves) knows that!
Did not Obama say in July that the public option is not needed for Health Care Reform? There is no need for a public option but they all say it does. No it does not. You know how the government is telling the CEO's how much they can get payed. Well guess what they will do the same thing to you on just how much health care you can receive under the public option. What makes you believe otherwise? Really, do you believe the public option is the only option to offer as a reform to health care?
Frustrating incorrect so much half-truths in one comment. 1) Obama said that he wanted the public option but would listen to any alternative that does the same thing. Nothing has been proposed that does the same thing. 2) The gov't controlling CEO salaries are only for 7 companies bailed out and for now essentially owned by taxpayers. There is absolutely no intent to expand it beyond that. 3) Of course the public option will list the coverage. That's no diff. than private plans & it's optional.
"Lieberman is drowning in campaign contributions from the insurance industry, the health care industry, the pharmaceutical industry - more than $2.5 million...So I think what youre seeing here is the kind of legalized corruption, legalized bribery that runs the United States Senate; only in this case its particularly sleazy and transparent because Lieberman is ready to gut the major initiative of the Democratic Party."
We shouldn't be hasty with deciding in reforming the health care service. We are spending too much money as it is-- so much that we even had to print off trillions of more.
The main thing to consider is that when there's money problems there are budget cuts. The top priorities right now are the big company bailouts to keep them afloat and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
With the problems going on, the health care plan doesn't look like it will be very promising.
lieberman... go fk urself man!!!!!! this man is a republican in disguise... he pretends to be a dem and independent cuz otherwise he wont get re elected...
i thought it was pretty clear he was anti-public option. he keeps saying it will hurt. of course, public option would hurt...the private insurers since they would actually have to compete more fairly. but isn't that the whole point of it, to drive costs down?
It was a cut in the tape! Who ever did this video at 3:01 is where the tape is cut and it make Lieberman look like he is for a PO!! this video is a fucking lie!
If, as Joe says, public option premiums would be more expensive than equivalent private insurance premiums, why are private insurers screaming that public option will bury them and decimate their subscriber rolls? Could it be that Joe is just pulling his facts out of his butt?
Hey yeah everyone, let's sign for "some kind of health care bill." Nobody knows what's in it, but let's all take a chance because surely Obamessiah woudn't do us any harm, right? Look, he only quadrupled the deficit after complaining about Bush's $800B. He's only lost 10 million jobs since taking office, and driven the dollar into oblivion. So why not take a chance on another great idea by the O man? All we have to lose is our freedom, jobs, health and sovereignty.
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MsMihailescu 1 year ago
did he died?
azntrelic 1 year ago
International businesses choose countries with socialized medicine over the USA because in those other countries they don't pay excessive amounts for healthcare. The current system is making businesses choose Canada over the USA as a place to expand business. Americans pay $13,000/ year for healthcare coverage. We're already paying too much check your COBRA rates & see why USA spends the greates % of its GDP on healthcare in the entire world.
oeyesea 2 years ago
Thanks Connecticut for electing this fool.
spiderj19 2 years ago
at 00:35 Lieberman looks like the joker in the Batman movie....
myonlyfascination 2 years ago
He's against the government being in the "health insurance business" AND YET . . . as a senator, he himself has government health insurance. How do YOU say "HYPOCRITE"?
analogyman 2 years ago 3
You think he's an "idiot"? Sorry--he a a shrew, wormy CROOK: he has been bribed by insurance corporations! He needs to be indicted and removed from office.
analogyman 2 years ago 2
This wormy little bastard has been bought by the insurance corporations (over $1.5 million from them that we know about). He is rightly called "Traitor Joe." Too bad the voters of CT have to live with this piece of crap for the next few years!
analogyman 2 years ago 2
Maybe if there is a public option, people will actually be able to afford to go to the hospital or doctor. Then we will have a need for more medical personnel and that means more jobs. Joe Lieberman sucks.
infinitecharms 2 years ago 2
he wont be re-elected
coffeescup 2 years ago 3
who the hell elected this idiot...?????????????
myonlyfascination 2 years ago 2
@myonlyfascination something called quote-unquote "liberal Connecticut"
bbehan1981 2 years ago 2
He says fixing the economy is more important. There will be no economy if people are sick and can't work. There are more insurance companies based in his state of CT. than anywhere else. Go Figure!
mbazell 2 years ago
This guy is a total idiot. While both the public option and expansion of medicare gone, the provision that requires us to buy health care or be FINED is still in the bill. This is attrocious.
jster6 2 years ago
Our military understands they have been deceived.
Whistle-blowers and leaks will not be blacklisted.
Loud chicken-hawks hide behind the troops.
News blackout while lies are fabricated.
Wall Street & not-Federal no-Reserve.
Israel-first dual-national AIPAC.
Mossad media megaphone.
Official 9/11 propaganda.
Anthrax intimidation.
Stealth cia neocons
ryanshaunkelly 2 years ago
269 of 6305 Precincts Reporting - 4% Name Party Votes Vote % Christie, Chris GOP 62,922 55% Corzine, Jon (i) Dem 43,350 38%
Like Ice Cube says...
Today Was a Good Day
ObamaEqualsStupid 2 years ago 2
And it starts.
Oh just wait till 2010. And a crap load of Dem's are thrown to the streets.
I say put them all in a field full of layed off workers. And with all these people that have lost their homes because of the communist bastrads.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Maybe you're right. America is one dumb country. You would think it had learned it's lesson after electing Bush, one of the worst president's in US history, not once but twice.
You would think it had learned it's lesson after the Republicans ran the country into the ground, going from surplus to deficit, gutting the mf'g industry, unchecked illegal immigration, failing to stop credit card abuses, and the list goes on. But new crop of stupids is already set to repeat the insanity.
megarational 2 years ago
The last time the Republicans let Unbridled captalism to take it course the Republicans lost the House vote for 20 years 12 years of FDR and another 8 years of Truman. back then it was Social Security that got the marginal vote today it is health care the Parallels are amazing. If History has anything to do with it the republican party is doomed for the 20 years thank goodness. I don't suppose history and context was your strong point.
java501 2 years ago
@java501 Were all doomed in 20 years anyway. Government interventionism in the free market has seen to that.
kasrkinmullet 2 years ago
Ps - consider the public option dead and BURRIED now that Blue Dogs see the sweep in Virginia....a couple of more hours and we'll see how the results of the NY and NJ elections steer this country away from Obamacare.
Let's face it, if Republicans win NJ and VA's governor's races - the PUBLIC OPTION IS GOOOOOOOOOONE
=)
ObamaEqualsStupid 2 years ago 3
Somebody sent me a comment, regarding 'what option will the poor have if there is no public option?'
The answer is simple, so I'm not surprised it avoided the liberal mind.
Ready, here it is.
GET A JOB YOU LAZY LIBERAL FAT SHITS - OR DON'T GET INSURANCE AND DIE! I DON"T CARE.
ObamaEqualsStupid 2 years ago 2
Yeah, That would be a great idea, If 65% of the uninsured weren't already employed yet still can't afford health insurance, DINGLE BERRIE!!!! BUT WAIT! Why am I telling you, You're obviously too fucking stupid to have a job with benefits other than a free whooper and fries for lunch break, So you already know about working and having no health insurance, Don't you, You hillbilly fuck wad!!!
162berto 2 years ago
I'll explain it to you like I do to every other liberal who has had a labotomy. I have, and provide insurance for 50+ employees of mine. If they want the public option that is fine, I'll fire them. Liberals don't understand that this isn't going to be free - but more expensive than what I am already offering them at my company. No, I don't actually serve 'whooper and fries' (whatever a whooper is anyway), but I am part owner of several franchises - Buffalo Wild Wings, try their new sauces!!
ObamaEqualsStupid 2 years ago
"If 65% of the uninsured weren't already employed yet still can't afford health insurance"
And you'll see more often than not that those same people who 'can't afford health insurance" can somehow afford cable and PS3 on their 60" plasma and iPod and a Suburban.
Something they need to learn: PRIORITIES. They want everything - but they don't want to work for it.
USAon3 2 years ago 2
"Sen. Lieberman has long been known to cultivate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, which provide jobs in his home state and contributions to his campaign fund. But he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife, Hadassah, joined Hill & Knowlton last year. The legendary lobbying and PR firm hired her as a senior counselor in its health and pharmaceuticals practice.
megarational 2 years ago
Another shill for insurance co's - SgtSoot .
megarational 2 years ago
Lieberman is such a self serving wishy washy douchebag
MrNiceHk 2 years ago
ain't that the truth!!!
casadyrocks 2 years ago
One of the positives of the Canadian healthcare system is that the per capita healthcare costs in Canada are about half that of the US. However, the current bill being debated in Congress will likely increase per capita health care costs by increasing the demand by 47 million people, which is likely to increase by another 13 million over the first three years, and not significantly increasing supply, leading to a shortage of doctors and nurses, and thus increasing costs.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Why doesn't the government push to drive health care costs down BEFORE they talk about insuring the 47 million uninsured in this country? It seems to me like they are putting the cart before the horse. Also of those 47 million, 30 million would qualify for existing coverage under medicaid but don't sign up, 12 million could purchase their own coverage but don't prioritize it, and only 5 million are denied coverage due to preexisting conditions. Why don't we focuse on those 5 million instead?
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Opinion, whatever. I heard the same schpeal. He's up the insurence company's back end. jobs can be created in health care. republicans helping america is like asking them to accept gays. republicans will easily eat their own, than evolve upon change. Of course thats assuming they know how the hell a biological beings are influenced by their environment. God, forbid the fruit of knowledge, remember or was it the church? Out of the box is a whole world for humans toenjoythanwaitingfortheend
humanisall 2 years ago
I don't care. Good luck.
Larlar001 2 years ago
Quit advocating spending everyone else's money!
noiwudnttrip 2 years ago
I guess everyone will vote for the likely GOP nominee is 2012 as he is the mastermind behind this reform.
When will the government learn they cannot create jobs?
The problem isn't insurance companies, its medicine prices.
VictoryCough 2 years ago
its refreshing to hear someone with an opinion not shaped by party ideologies
vbar44 2 years ago
"The problem isn't insurance companies, its medicine prices. "
What planet do you live on? Sure, drug prices are oftentimes rather high but the bigger problem are grossly inflated insurance premiums, recission, and coverage refusal due to pre-existing conditions.
kaysandesses 2 years ago
Nobody blames the hospitals for charging $700 per suture. Let me modify what I said. Insurance companies are responsible for high medicine prices. If you ask for an itemized bill at a hospital you'll be laughed at, a doctor couldn't even tell you how much a ER visit will cost. We have been going to the hospital for things like the flu and sprained ankles, so when nobody is asking the cost, of course prices are inflated. We've had gov managed care for 45 yrs, why would want more?
VictoryCough 2 years ago
If Obama gets his way, our $11.4 trillion public debt will rise to over $23 trillion by 2019, leading to massive inflation and the possible collapse of US currency. Is helping the poor will worth the destruction of our country?
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Lieberman is a whore for the Insurance Companies.
DillonX 2 years ago
You are a whore to the tax payers!
quickboat22 2 years ago
I love him.
ObamaEqualsStupid 2 years ago
Clime Bill treaty- The establishment of a One World Gov't
Healthcare Reform- The hoodwink for socialism, another tax and a way for the gov't to control its populace.
IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL as it is an invasion of privacy!
USAPatriot1966 2 years ago
All things considered, is passing another massive entitlement program really the morally right thing to do? Disregarding money when considering any policy issue negates your ability to consider the potential negative impacts of the policy.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
You just bought Lieberman's characterization of the public option as an entitlement program. As Lieberman knows full well it's not an entitlement program. It's an government run (but not taxpayer funded) insurance plan option. Anyone chosing the plan would have to pay the premiums, just like for private insur. & the plan has to operate entirely on premiums. You just perfectly demonstrated how someone is so easily mislead by a sleazeball politicians spin.
megarational 2 years ago
Now you're playing with semantics. The idea that a government insurance company will be able to "compete" on a level playing field with the private sector is ignorant. If the government really wanted to allow for more competition in the health insurance industry to drive costs down, they would push for tort reform, allowing for more interstate competition. Also, the CBO recently estimated the costs of the public option to be $1.4 trillion. So, obviously it will cost taxpayers.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Listening to you is the same as watching Fox News, no doubt where you get your B.S.
Virtually every other advanced nation has both some form of public (or UHC) and private options.Why would anyone think that the U.S. is the only country that couldn't make it work? As for CBO, use your google instead of just being brainwashed by Republicans & Fox News. CBO est. cost of the entire bill, not the public option, is $829 billion over 10 years.
The pub.opt. would operate off premiums.
megarational 2 years ago
Reading your comments is like reading a Daily KOS blog. You can't possibly believe that the Canadian and European single-payer health care systems aren't significantly flawed. Also, I would encourage you to check your facts, the CBO estimated the cost of the Affordable Health Choices Act to be around $1.4 trillion dollars, and the current modified House health bill will was estimated to be around $1.2 trillion by a CBO report issued yesterday.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
First you said that the public option would cost $1.4 trillion. Now in the space of the last hour, you have changed your claim to $1.2 trillion for the entire HC bill. .
A google just found this in Wash. Post: :
C. B. O. ..cost est.'s for 2 competing versions of [the health care bill]...
House leaders have been working to lower the cost of the $1.2 trillion H.C. package they offered in July. ...puts the cost of one plan at $859 billion over 10 yrs & the other at $905 billion" Still checking
megarational 2 years ago
There are two major versions of the healthcare bill: the intiial version was the Affordable Health Choices Act, and the current bill being debated in the house is labeled the Affordable Health Care for America Act.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
SgtSoot
as for the 2 Affordable Health Choices Act ect....
Give the HR number so it can be looked up.
The only one i know of is HR3200.
That bill has had many others added by the Dem's but yet is is the one that will be voted on.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Affordable Healthcare for America Act: (HR 3962)
America's Affordable Health Choices Act: (HR 3200)
SgtSoot 2 years ago
looking at HR3962 I see why it was relly dead before it got started.
"(A) IN GENERAL.--Members of Congress (as defined in section 2106 of title 5, United States Code) and the dependents of Members of Congress shall be enrolled in the public health insurance option under subtitle B. For purposes of the proceeding sentence, Members of Congress and the dependents of Members of Congress shall each be treated as an Exchange-eligible individual"
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Canada's had UHC since 1946, yet
GOP smears the syst. using the more recent increase in wait times.
2009 Nanos Research poll: ..86.2% of Cnd.s surveyed supported or strongly supported "public solutions
2009 Harris/Decima poll:..82% of Cnds preferred their H.C. system to the one in the U.S., more than ten times as many as the 8% stating a preference for a US-style health care system for Canada.
2008 Strategic Counsel survey 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system to that of the U.S
megarational 2 years ago
The fact is, wait times for significant injuries and illnesses are much higher than in the US. There is no question about that. The median wait time for surgeries is 4 weeks, and the median wait time to see a special physician is alittle over 4 weeks. Also, 24% of Canadians wait more than 4 hours in the emergency room. (Healthy Canadians: Canadian government report on comparable healthcare indicators).
SgtSoot 2 years ago
You pick some figures from somewhere, fail to establish any comparisons with the U.S., draw inappropriate conclusions based on that meager fare, and then expect anyone to think you have made some sort of point. Quit wasting my time. You are a write-off. Enjoy your skyrocketing HC premiums.
megarational 2 years ago
Using polls among Canadians comparing their healthcare system to a healthcare system they have no experience with is the best way to draw inappropriate conclusions pal. You sound like a sore looser. Enjoy liberal la la land.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Given that Canada has a population of only around 33 million, and the US has a population of over 300 million, a Canadian-style health care system in the US could have horrific results.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
LOL SgtSoot, I gets me when these nuts in Canada(really anywhere) compare the whole USA to their countries with the population of but one of the states in America.
Yes the US will have the hishest in pretty much everything. Deaths... oh wait, I looked up death rates around the world. And it show the whole of the US as much if not lower than every other nation in the world.
Hum and they say we have the wosrt healthcare.
Go figure!
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
You seem to be in denial of the fact that this bill will cost anything at all, but the reality is that this bill will cost a substantial amount of taxpayer money during a time when our country is suffering from 9.8% unemployment, and buried under an $11.4 trillion mountain of debt. Don't you know kool-aid is bad for you?
SgtSoot 2 years ago
The fact is that the current system is bankrupting the nation. Either taxes will have to increase or services will have to be cut.
Republicans focus solely on tax increases, ignoring all else. It's how they always block health care reform.
megarational 2 years ago
Since when do you fix the current system of government entitlement programs by establishing another massive government entitlement program? Don't you think it would be more pragmatic to try and fix the current system before establishing a new one?
SgtSoot 2 years ago
No.
Why try some band-aids when the patient needs major surgery?
megarational 2 years ago
that's they main problem with Obamacare.
A band aid is cheaper than major surgery.
That's the savings Obama is talking about. That's what government healthcare is all about. The cheatest way out.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
The quality of healthcare is not the problem in the US, it's the per capita costs, which are by far the highest in the world. Any government policy aimed at healthcare reform should seek to lower per capita healthcare costs. The current house bill does not, in fact it will increase the per capita costs of healthcare; therefore, it will only make the problem worse. In the meantime, it will be adding to our already massive debt.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Republicans and Democrats will often either underestimate or exaggerate the costs of a bill depending on their policy positions. The most reliable source of information on the costs of policy initiatives comes from the CBO website, although these estimates should also be subjected to scrutiny. Past CBO cost estimates have often been substantially lower than the costs that were incurred on specific policies. For example, the initial CBO cost estimate for medicaid were 1/30 of this year's costs.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Was I dreaming or did you just say something that was rational?
megarational 2 years ago
megarational:
"The fact is that the current system is bankrupting the nation"
Yes in Canada, it's bankrupting the nation. That why it goes through reform every few years. Total screwed up system.
Healthcare reform don't mean to force peopel to pay into a heathcare system ran by the governmnet, that's more like heathcare hightmare.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Now if you want to buy HC insurance you are forced to buy it from a private insurance co. That's like buying a ticket from a scalper. That's the beauty of the public option. Don't trust gov. or private insur. co.'s. Let'em both have a plan & let people chose the one they like. Every other advanced nation has both some form of public option or UHC and private insur. option. It's time for the U.S. to catch up. U.S. health care has pockets of excellence. Access limitations are disgraceful.
megarational 2 years ago
LOL read what you just said.
"if you WANT to buy", as of now if I don't WANT to buy any healthcare I can do without.
So no one is foced to buy forced to buy at all.
But under HR3200 you are "FORCE" to have healthcare if you want it or not or be taxed anyway. It don't matter to Obama if you have Obamacare or not you'll still be taxed for it.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Yes, but if you don't buy insur. and you are injured or seriously ill you wind up in the emergency ward - the most expensive form of HC delivery - paid for entirely at the expense of tax-payers and policy holders. Everyone has a chance of having to access the HC system so everyone should contribute. If you think otherwise it's something we will never agree on.
megarational 2 years ago
only if your are a worthless bum. Or and illegal.
I pay my bills. No one pays my bills but me. Maybe that how you do things in life. Creat a bill and want everyone else pay your bills for you.
Everyone has the chance to have healthcare now. Funny how some people say they can't afford HC but yet can afford a $5000 vacation every year or cellphones for every memeber in the house,ect...
I'll contribute only if only those that do contribute
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
I'll contribute only if only those that do contribute are the only ones covered. And the government has nothing and I mean nothing to do with it. That goes for collecting the money or making mandates. No government committees.
i mean nothing to do with it.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
It sounds good but the devil is in the details. I dont believe that the government is going to let private Ins survive at all.
quickboat22 2 years ago 2
Not sure that wouldn't be a good thing. At least for gov't run plan politicians want to keep public happy because they want to get re-elected. Private insur. co's only have vested interest in denying claims. Virtually every other advanced nation has both some form of public option (or UHC) and private options. Why would anyone believe the GOP line and think think that the US is the only country in the world where a pub. option would kill the insur. co.'s.?
megarational 2 years ago
what worst because he didn't pay peoples house payments or put gas in their cars. not once but twice......oh wait I work 7/12 most the time he was in office. so yes bust did make my house payments and put gas in my cars and trucks.
But under Obama I haven't worked but 2 whole months. Had to sell 1 of my cars and 1 of my trucks. Living off my savings and unemployment.
Saving that I made under Bush is going fast, unemployment I have to pay taxs on. now with Obama,higher taxs.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Under Obama, 1/5 of the US mf'g industry has moved over seas, 1/5 have closed their doors, 1/5 have cut their work force.
and that's all in less than a year.
Oh I know your dumb ass will say "it's the otherguys fault".
Sorry kid, it happen under obama's watch not Bush, so that's a worthless argument.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago 2
The country went into massive debt under Bush. Manufacturing jobs were decimated. The financial system on the brink of collapse. Obama inherited Bush's mess. Forget politics, Economists themselves disagree about the stimulus package, but the majority feel that without it we could have been plunged into another "great depression". Obama is not an economist. He took the measures most economists said was necessary. Sadly, higher taxes may be the cost of the Bush legacy.
megarational 2 years ago
Yeah right, so Bush inherited Clinton's mess and Clinton inherited (daddy)Bush's mess, and (daddy)Bush inherited Ronald Reagan.
Damn kid I heard that bullshit all my life. It's an old wifes tale.
Every thing that happens from the day Obama is sworn in is Obama's, nobody elses. Every layoff, every outsourced job,every illegal that crosses the border. Every us troop that is killed.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
One big problem with our nation being like the other countries that have national health care is cost. I you look at all of the industrialized nations with it, they use the US for their national defense. We would have to completely decimate our armed forces to afford the new proposal and then who would defend the world? France? Germany? England? China? Yea Right.
quickboat22 2 years ago
i find that remarkably funny your Army is taught battle tactics and so forth from the British Army who has a longer list of successes in it military history. Your Army failed in Vietnam and has failed in Iraq. Go figure. You be classed the best Army in the World you have to do more than talk about how great it is you do have to win occasionally.
java501 2 years ago
You just perfectly demonstrated how someone can be so easily mislead by a sleazeball politician's spin.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
"Anyone choosing the plan would have to pay the premiums" Thats the PUBLIC dipstik! And when the people who cannot afford anything have to get on board who pays for their subsidies? The PUBLIC dipstik!
quickboat22 2 years ago
Amen!
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Low income premium subsidies are independent of whether the person chose a public or private plan.
Are you incapable of distinguishing between the public option and separate low income premium subsidies?
megarational 2 years ago
The public already pays those people's health care costs either through medicaid, and by suffering from usurious insurance rates caused in part by the uninsured using the ER as their clinic. They can't pay the 1000 bucks or so to visit the ER so it falls on the backs of the taxpayer.
We're going to pay for it anyway, we might as well pay for the less expensive option.
kaysandesses 2 years ago
It has to do with giving the government control over another portion of our lives. I dont know about you but I think they have enough friggin control now! BIG GOVERNMENT!!!BAD!!!
quickboat22 2 years ago
All in all I agree that the least amount of government intrusion the better. On the other hand, the government exists to serve the populace. health care reform is about much more than getting insurance for those without, it's also about protecting the rights of those with insurance and eliminating fraud and waste in existing government provided health care. The only way this gives addt'l control is that everyone will be forced to have health insurance of some sort, private or otherwise.
kaysandesses 2 years ago
It's true, the current bill being debated in Congress will force everyone to be insured through some program, but the coverage will be subsidized, costing taxpayers trillions of dollars. If the government really sought to serve the polulace, they would reduce spending to cut down on the $11.4 public debt. The Obama Administration's policies will likely lead us to financial ruin, and I don't view that as serving the populace.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
The current health bill if passed in current form is designed to be deficit neutral. Also, those participating in the public option will be required to pay premiums. It will interesting to the see the CBO numbers on this latest version. IIRC, the CBO estimated HB3200 would have saved > 800 billion over to years.
Did you know that Medicare operates more efficiently than ANY private insurance company? The difference is quite striking.
kaysandesses 2 years ago
I have the latest numbers issued by the CBO. According to a CBO report issued yesterday, the current modified House Health Bill would cost $1.2 trillion and would not be deficit neutral. Obama's current 2009 budget already has a deficit of $1.6 trillion.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Can you pm me a link to that CBO info? Gotta run.
kaysandesses 2 years ago
Additionally, waiste, fraud, and corruption are side effects of any government entitlement program. If the current health bill will eliminate waist and fraud in medicare and medicaid, why wasn't this done 20 years ago. The answer is that it is nearly impossible to eliminate these negative externalities because of how government entitlement programs are structured. The claims made by the Obama Adminstration that they will eliminate fraud and corruption in these programs is completely false.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Try getting a liberal to answer that question.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
Why would a government buried under massive entitlement programs and tremendous debt want to pass the biggest entitlement program in American History?
SgtSoot 2 years ago
because this issue isn't about money.
medaa25 2 years ago
With all due respect, that is a bit nieve. Remember, 16 years ago many people throughout the country thought that it would be a great idea to allow financial intstitutions to offer subprime mortgages to lower income home buyers, because everyone should be able to own a home right? After all, the issue wasn't about money. However, the resulting collapse of the housing bubble sparked a worldwide financial meltdown, and tens of millions of people are suffering from unemployment throughout the world
SgtSoot 2 years ago
So if you owed 105 trillion dollars an knew you could never repay it, what would be the quickest way to bring that debt to zero? Thats right crash the dollar till it is worthless! What is 105 trillion times zero? Right again ZERO!
quickboat22 2 years ago
Lieberman is fighting primarily the public option because he's protecting his primary campaign donors, the private insurance companies. He knows the public option is not an entitlement program, just a sefl-sustaining insurance plan option. God it's so easy for Fox News, Republicans, & Joe Lieberman to spread their lies & have the weak-minded fall for them and then go around spreading them.
megarational 2 years ago
Yeah, LIEberman wants healthcare reform like the Medicare Reform Act of 2003 that mainly accomplished nothing but enrichening big pharma and big insurance.
kaysandesses 2 years ago
Since when did a government program that provides personal financial benefits to select groups of citizens using taxpayer funds stop becoming entitlement programs. I think your bias has ran off with your brain. Its time to leave liberal la la land and come back to reality pal.
SgtSoot 2 years ago
I've tried to call this little weasel's office for 3 days (phone number for Lieberman Conn. office is (860) 549-8463, option 2) but naturally his "mailbox is full".
I e-mailed him too, the little paid whore of the insurance industry.
megarational 2 years ago
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megarational 2 years ago
Better for who Joe? You fuckin POS...
EnhancementSmoker 2 years ago
Fuck this sellout. Joe just wants to maintain the status quo.
stewart0312 2 years ago
This bill is ludicrous. Taxing employers when were are at 10% unemployment. Taxing individuals who don't have insurance. Mandates that require what plan you have to purchase forcing some out of current plans and into higher rates. Expanding medicare that already cost taxpayers billions in waste a year and is broke. Raise marginal tax rates above 50 percent in 38 states. 40 percent excise tax on "Cadillac" insurance plans. Over a TRILLION dollars and still 20 million not covered? Are they daft!
quizerry 2 years ago
you do know with HR3200 all union companies will not be taxed on their "Cadillac" insurance plans. Only non-unions will be hit with that tax.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Whore Lieberman is a total fraud!
He's 100% for sending many billions to Israel so that they are free to offer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE to every citizen in Israel.
Now in this video he says government shouldn't be doing that.
So is he in favor of Israel abandoning its UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE? -- NEVER!
Good enough for them, but not for us.
DillonX 2 years ago
Two questions. 1. What are the two most heavly government regulated entities that cost taxpayer the most and have the most waste? A. Education and Healthcare.
2. What are the two highest cost Government regulated systems that are complete failures?
A. Education (we rank lower world wide every year) and healthcare.
quizerry 2 years ago
LOL the USA ranks low in education due the fact the government control. Having school spend more time in the day learning about how to be a better faggot or best was to have sex. If you get knocked up the best places to get money off the government.
Get the governmnet out of education.
But now they want total control over healthcare.
The government is out to see how many people they can kill of not heal.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Mostly Agreed! Did you know that when Public schooling was started, it was for the poorest of the poor? Now it's for everyone except for the richest! That is the nature of government, They get their foot in the door of a social progral (Erm... Medicaid?!) Jack up the prices for everybody else by proxy through their program, then come with a "solution" that EVERYONE can be dependent on their crappy programs!
Elliissse 2 years ago
Here's how government screws things up. if they say it'll take $10 billion in taxs to pay for a program, but yet tax to the point them take in $50 billion. The government looks at the $40 billion as extra and spends it on other useless government programs. And not what it was collected for. Then the program that tax for goes under or more taxs are add'ed for them, which are still extra and is spent on other useless governmnet programs.
It's a never ending cycle.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
your a retard
dohboy200 2 years ago
hell you're a dumb ass little kid.
damn boy we can do this all day.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Amen.
leddhed 2 years ago
I'm doing design work right now for a lawyer who literally charges hundreds of dollars an hour just to force the insurance companies to pay for necessary care for her clients.
Today, she mentioned that the charge to one of her clients for a single syringe - just the material - was $42. Our system is an utter, complete, contemptible disgrace. Hope we get a little of that much-promised "change."
paxson001 2 years ago 2
The problem is this health plan won't lower cost for services but actually make prices higher. This plan does nothing to deal with high prices. It is an expansion of medicare, but with much higher premiums. Gov. set the prices for 1/2 the healthcare sector directly and the other indirectly. They control production and consumption. They have done a lousy job of keeping cost down. Medicare waste $1 to every $3 it spends. Is that a plan worth expanding?
quizerry 2 years ago
thats completely false.
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jennbootz349 2 years ago
This guy is so two faced... flip a coin... that's where he stands.
promethiusrising 2 years ago
he's not a flip flopper. he has never been for americans. He is a corporate and Israeli puppet. it's a total theft of our democracy that this guy would even get elected.
amdura 2 years ago
I see you dumb ass kids still think that with public option (name of the gov insurance company) that every man, woman and child will be covered. Wrong by COG,budge committee and obam himself, about 25 million Americans will still not be allowed to be covered. That's how many is believed to not beable to afford even gov ran healthacer.
If you don't pay the tax you don't get coverage.
hey don't get pissed at me I didn't write HR3200. Get pissed at Obama if he signs it.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
The federal gov't takes soooo much money from the average tax payer. What exactly are we getting for it?!!
amdura 2 years ago
This was such an inevitable thing to happen. Joe Lieberman announces hes undecided, the Insurance companies buy his vote, he's happy. Just another greedy congress critter...I saw this coming from DAY ONE.
BAN LOBBYISTS IN WASHINGTON!!!!
bundlesjr 2 years ago
Vote Democrat!
Mduduzi22 2 years ago
tort reform, more competition, enforce existing legislation, these are ways to fix what ails the health care system in the u.s. medicaid can handle the rest bankrupt or not.
the ironic thing is most of the uninsured people whining about the need for the public option are young people who could insure themselves for $2000 a year, about 25% of what the public option would cost them in increased taxes.
If gov would stay out of our way we would all be wealthy enough to self insure.
theredpillxxx 2 years ago
Lieberman must be stripped on any Committee positions.
He is a scumbucket & absolute whore for the Insurance Companies!
DillonX 2 years ago
Libruls should be more careful, for they might get what Demonrats and the media (Oblama puppets) say they want. Once it's in, they can't take it back and they'll have to live with the consequences no matter that they have no idea of how bad this legislation is for their own health and their freedom. Libs will become the slaves of government, and likely be aborted (rationed) before they realize what happened, because they are weakest link in society.
Zile77 2 years ago
All the civilized countries of the world have some kind of public option for their citizens.
Why is USA being the most backwards country about it? There are millions of pages worth of data proving that public option is better for the people. Yet some people act like it's the end of the world, like it's something unheard of. Stop the spread of ignorance in USA.
Fig1024 2 years ago
Yeah but this America where what you see out of the government is not what you get.
These dumb ass kids whined about the same shit fro bush,but yet throw their lifes at the feet of Obama.
Take just the pages of the bill that has anything to do with healthcare it'll only be about 300 pages, the rest is changing only laws that are on the books that have nothing to do with healthcare.
Mostly new taxs so Obama ca replace the money he stolen and gave to Kenya.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
AIPAC controlls Lieberman
MendingMedia 2 years ago
fuck this full of shit talking outta his ass piece of shit lieberman!!!
MojoJuana 2 years ago
The video title should read:
Lieberman: Having nothing or doing nothing is better than Health Care reform with a Public Option.
Because the way it is titled now, people may think Lieberman totally did a 180 by saying that there is "nothing" better than Health Care reform that includes a Public Option.
awesomerepublican 2 years ago
Man, how did you Americans end up with all these perfidious Jews controlling everything?
Larlar001 2 years ago
YOU AIN'T NOTHING BUT A HOUND DOG(looking mother fucker) LYING ALL THE TIME!!
YOU'RE THE BITCH OF THE INSURANCE COs. AND YOU AIN'T NO FRIEND OF MINE!!!
THEY SAY YOU HAVE YOUR NOSE UP THE INSURANCE COs. ASS, YEAH YOUR NOSE IS UP THE INSURANCE COs. ASS!!!
AND NOW YOU VOTING WITH THE REPUBLICANS, AND THE UNINSURED WILL CONTINUE TOOOOOOOOOO DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! JOE LIEberman The King of COCK and BULL!!!!
162berto 2 years ago 2
When a senator represents a corporation or an insurance company you have fascism. When a senator represents the good of the people you have democracy. We all know what Lieberman is now.
Twostones69 2 years ago 2
No mention of a public option in the campaign? What campaign was he watching, it was mentioned every time obama was asked about healthcare.
And how about his own campaign in 2006 when he ran on a platform that included public healthcare. I haven't trusted this guy since he was exposed as a sith lord in the last starwars movie.
djacobox372 2 years ago 2
People think that Liberman is working for them are wrong and those Americans who are against the public option are brainwashed by corporate media including the ones that are accused of being lefty (such as CNN).
Public option is only way to go to cover insurance for those who can't afford it. If you let private sector do it, then you are paying 7 figure salary of the CEOs and CFOs who care nothing but making money. Public option puts insurance companies in check and makes them more competative.
bigal21110 2 years ago 3
what you dont get is that hospitals will only get 20% of the cost of the procedure now as opposed to 80% from private insurance - that means that hospitals cant afford to pay their workers what they currently get paid - I will get called into human resources and told that my wage has been renegotiated and all the money and time i spent on my education will be meaningless - thanks Obama for causing me to lose my healthcare job - and thanks to all who voted for him for now giving me welfare...
legacypositionguy 2 years ago
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Thanks Joe for listening to America
17mkfarmer 2 years ago
Prominent Democrats ran Fannie Mae, the same government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) that donated campaign cash to top Democrats. And one of Fannie Maes main defenders in the House Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., a recipient of more than $40,000 in campaign donations from Fannie since 1989 was once romantically involved with a Fannie Mae executive. - I guess this means that Democrats have been bought and paid for by the Mortgage Industry...
legacypositionguy 2 years ago
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GO Joe!
thebogiman4 2 years ago
this guy has more flip flops than jesus. He's democrat, republican, democrat, independant.
catering to the masses
TheTasteTester 2 years ago 3
Maybe his personal beliefs and morals can't be characterized by a single party. I'm an athiest who believes in limited government, special case abortions and the death penalty. What party do you think I'm registered as?
hoddans 2 years ago
"Sen. Lieberman has long been known to cultivate the insurance and pharmaceutical industries, which provide jobs in his home state and contributions to his campaign fund. But he has literally been sleeping with one of their Washington representatives ever since his wife, Hadassah, joined Hill & Knowlton last year. The legendary lobbying and PR firm hired her as a senior counselor in its health and pharmaceuticals practice.
megarational 2 years ago 3
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835
legacypositionguy 2 years ago
legacypositionguy 2 years ago
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So get the 20 some million people health insurance and leave us the fuck alone, commie marxist bastards. (the other 20 million are illegals and those who choose not to spend their money on insurance, like the young, or irresponsible) Oh no, there aren't any deadbeatlazy, irresponsible jerks out there!!!!
recompa2 2 years ago
Just because 85% "have" health insurance does NOT mean they are satisfied with it (the asinine "health insurance company"-based system). As someone who has to go and buy it, I am included in that "85%" and I know that our system is a complete scam! And it is getting worse by the minute. Anybody who's self-employed (or has dealt with these thieves) knows that!
RonPaulGeorgeRingo 2 years ago
Did not Obama say in July that the public option is not needed for Health Care Reform? There is no need for a public option but they all say it does. No it does not. You know how the government is telling the CEO's how much they can get payed. Well guess what they will do the same thing to you on just how much health care you can receive under the public option. What makes you believe otherwise? Really, do you believe the public option is the only option to offer as a reform to health care?
saved03 2 years ago
Frustrating incorrect so much half-truths in one comment. 1) Obama said that he wanted the public option but would listen to any alternative that does the same thing. Nothing has been proposed that does the same thing. 2) The gov't controlling CEO salaries are only for 7 companies bailed out and for now essentially owned by taxpayers. There is absolutely no intent to expand it beyond that. 3) Of course the public option will list the coverage. That's no diff. than private plans & it's optional.
megarational 2 years ago
Lieberman is a cunt.
Yessj 2 years ago 5
That means he's a good good thing that everyone loves.
meloearth 2 years ago
That's not what I'd meant, but the sexism in my comment is dully noted
Yessj 2 years ago
Thanks, that was all I meant. :)
meloearth 2 years ago
Didn't Bush kiss him on the floor of the senate?
Twostones69 2 years ago 2
Lteberman is on the take from lobbyists, and should be thrown out of office, along with all the others that are.
annikee59 2 years ago 3
"Lieberman is drowning in campaign contributions from the insurance industry, the health care industry, the pharmaceutical industry - more than $2.5 million...So I think what youre seeing here is the kind of legalized corruption, legalized bribery that runs the United States Senate; only in this case its particularly sleazy and transparent because Lieberman is ready to gut the major initiative of the Democratic Party."
HomelandConspiracy 2 years ago 4
We shouldn't be hasty with deciding in reforming the health care service. We are spending too much money as it is-- so much that we even had to print off trillions of more.
The main thing to consider is that when there's money problems there are budget cuts. The top priorities right now are the big company bailouts to keep them afloat and the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
With the problems going on, the health care plan doesn't look like it will be very promising.
MangaChocobo 2 years ago
does anyone realise how much money this man recieves from the insurance and pharmaceutical lobby...go check on open-secrets for urself...
midgetman433 2 years ago
lieberman... go fk urself man!!!!!! this man is a republican in disguise... he pretends to be a dem and independent cuz otherwise he wont get re elected...
midgetman433 2 years ago
i thought it was pretty clear he was anti-public option. he keeps saying it will hurt. of course, public option would hurt...the private insurers since they would actually have to compete more fairly. but isn't that the whole point of it, to drive costs down?
grrrlonwheels 2 years ago
I'm glad I voted for him. Keep up the good work Joe!
tarmin21 2 years ago
This video is cut to make it look like he is for the OP!!.. this video is a fucking lie!!!! : )
peejaa 2 years ago
smoke screen...
Tardbreathtard 2 years ago
Lieberman is a PATRIOT! And he is so CORRECT when he agrees that NOTHING is BETTER than health care reform with a public option!!
Fcuk the socialists! Go away!!
tripaxe 2 years ago
It was a cut in the tape! Who ever did this video at 3:01 is where the tape is cut and it make Lieberman look like he is for a PO!! this video is a fucking lie!
peejaa 2 years ago
Keep following Oblama and we'll all be on the government dole one way or another.
Swine Flu shot anyone? Good luck with that.
Zile77 2 years ago
If, as Joe says, public option premiums would be more expensive than equivalent private insurance premiums, why are private insurers screaming that public option will bury them and decimate their subscriber rolls? Could it be that Joe is just pulling his facts out of his butt?
pandemonious 2 years ago
Hey yeah everyone, let's sign for "some kind of health care bill." Nobody knows what's in it, but let's all take a chance because surely Obamessiah woudn't do us any harm, right? Look, he only quadrupled the deficit after complaining about Bush's $800B. He's only lost 10 million jobs since taking office, and driven the dollar into oblivion. So why not take a chance on another great idea by the O man? All we have to lose is our freedom, jobs, health and sovereignty.
Zile77 2 years ago
Wow, I agree with Lieberman.
VeryBoring 2 years ago