It's not cheating unless the equipment does the work for you. The fact that you have to use your heel to make the extra hits means it's not cheating. Saying that is cheating is like saying dudes who use the heel-toe method are cheaters. You would not call it cheating unless you are jealous of the technique being used or don't understand what the pedal is doing. You are still forced to create every hit your self using the impulses you send to your muscles via thought. How is that cheating?
@04GUITARPLAYER04 There are a few shitty drummers that do that, but they dont use these pedals (which are cheating, the second hit is on the upstroke and done by the pedal alone whereas most other pedals like this with two beaters, use two seperate footboards for the beaters and you actually have to do heel toe to utilize it) they usually use two sonor giant step pedals. Speed for speeds sake isnt very interesting, especially when the drummer isnt very good to begin with.
@TheGreatWhiteTimmy the pedal have 2 switches ,one in right and another in left side .when you press the left switch,,the pedal works with 2 beaters,and when you press right switch ,the pedal works with one beater........the switches can be changed with the heal....
Who defines 'cheating?' From what I understand, these pedals aren't easy to master. Also, a lot of the old masters would consider two kickdrums 'cheating.' Guitartists use all kinds of crap. I say if you can incorporate it into your sound without it souding like crap, and you can scare-up the cash for it, go for it.
I think this would be a cool addition to by double pedal. I could just keep this on constant "double mode" to use it with closed hats. Then switch to the double pedal for other stuff.
How in the sam hell could it be cheating when you only have a right leg? I lost my left in in a motorcycle accident. This could be what I have been looking for. So I am going to pick one up and if I like it??? You will see my video right here on this sight.. Thank you,, hifi522
Why are people saying this is cheating? When the idea of playing a drum with a foot pedal was first invented, people probably called that cheating too...
When electric instruments were developed, people probably called those cheating.
Playing music is about being creative, and making something out of the equipment you have (no matter what it is). But then... some people get so obsessed with having better "technique" than other people, they forget that music is supposed to be creative.
@kevluvzchips The simple fact is that these pedals ARE cheating, the second hit is not being done by the drummer its being done by the pedal alone. By that logic anybody that programms drums is a drummer, yeah fucking right. Now if this guy were using any other quad type pedal I wouldnt have nearly as much of a qualm with it becuase you still do have to do each hit. These are even cheesier than the giant steps.
@falconer6439 You pretty much failed to make a point there.
Just because you personally don't like a piece of equipment, doesn't make it 'cheating'. There is no such thing as 'cheating' in music, and claiming there is just demonstrates ignorance (music isn't a game with rules you have to stick to). Sure, some things require less skill to use than others, but that goes for a whole load of different pieces of equipment. There's no need to get annoyed about it.
@kevluvzchips Oh, and the second hit is not being done 'by the pedal alone'. If you left the pedal alone with no drummer, it wouldn't randomly hit things by itself. The drummer is still drumming and causing every hit - just using a pedal that hits twice. Get over it.
@kevluvzchips Yes it is being done by the pedal alone, its using the spring tension on the upstroke to trigger a second strike. I agree you have to have a drummer making the first strike to trigger the second, but its kinda the same thing as rigging your triggers to register false hits. Which goes to my second point about "cheating", I use that word because there isnt much else to describe someone that takes a short cut like these pedals, rigging triggers, quantization, etc.
@falconer6439 Shortcut? Sure, I'll give you that. That's exactly what this is. Well done.
Using the word "cheating" in the context of music is still nonsense though no matter how strongly you feel. By "cheating" what you actually mean is "I (as in you) think this is lazy and therefore don't like it".
Yes this pedal takes less skill to use than a double bass pedal. But then a double bass pedal takes less skill than doing the same thing on a standard single pedal. The list goes on.
@kevluvzchips It only takes less skill if you arent doing anything that cant be done with a single pedal. Unless youre going to be doing bass rolls I completely agree there is no reason to have a double pedal (just look at Zach Hill), not everything is possible with a single pedal. Aside from that the comparison is ridiculous, no matter how you slice it whether using a double or a single, each strike is a concerted effort by the drummer using nothing more than technique.
@falconer6439 I refer you to my previous comment about music being about creativity, not technique. Technique is merely something that is used to achieve a creative vision. It doesn't make you creative.
@kevluvzchips Creativity in music best describes originality, not just the act of creating music. Your definition would mean that all music is creative, which we both know is not true.
@kevluvzchips Also its not a "shortcut", just like programming drums and pantomiming the motion along with the other aforementioned cheapness is not. Its disingenuous at best.
the whole entire music is changing....requieres more speed and force......i think is a great invention..same as hhot hat from gibraltar....imagine how it,s sounds a duallist pedal and a hhot hat put together?!?!......
saying the duallist is a "cheat" for drummers is like saying effects are cheating for guitars, that a guitarist should have to play with distortion the "old fashioned way." The argument is moot - there is no old fashioned way to play with distortion or with a duallist pedal, they are innovative in and of themselves.
innovation is good for the entire world, especially in the music world. if you have qualms with using a duallist pedal, dont use one. if you want to try something different, do it.
@hobes9 personaly i like a single.but if you think about it using that instead of a double allows you to use the hi hat pedal.although imnot to crazy about it ill admit its conveinent
Ok, Thank you, i need see about " beater stroke/strap adjuster right " and left , i`ve got a problem with my Duallist D3 drum pedals, and nobody know about these in Argentina, Can give me same video or photos? (kukucita07@hotmail.com) i don´t understand so much english... tell me if you can´t understand me, Thanck you so much. kukucita07.
Ok, Thank you, i need see about " beater stroke/strap adjuster right " and left , i`ve got a problem with my Duallist D3 drum pedals, and nobody know about these in Argentina, Can give me same video or photos? (kukucita07@hotmail.com) i don´t understand so much english... tell me if you can´t understand me, Thanck you so much. kukucita07.
hola ,podrias poner algun video donde se puedan ver las posiciones de los tornillos de la plancha que regulan las cintas y la tencion de los resortes ,para poder regular el mio gracias saludos
@prodigy372 yea i had this same idea two years ago. its hard to come up with something not already stolen.... maybe i should look into a machine that will toast bread....
As a single pedal i think its great. It takes some getting used to in double pedal mode. I do play with a double bass pedal too. One question to all the haters and people who think its cheating. Have you used one? If not have a go you might find you have some fun and add a different angle to your playing. If its good enough for Charlie B from Anthrax then hey its good enough for me. Peace.
The first stroke can be heard much more clearly than the second stroke, meaning that this pedal doesn't work in practise, in theory maybe... Lousy concept anyway.
I just can't see it being as great as it looks/seems. I would like to try one, but it just seems like a great idea, but it would be extremely hard to get right.
that seems....different? It seems ok, and i respect it as in invention, but in my own personal opinion, and being a drummer myself, its pussy. its not cheating or anything, and I would try it out, but thats kinda guy. I don't like it. thats only my opinion though. i'll stick with a double pedal double bass.
what im wondering is what is the quality of the actual pedal??
yeah, yeah... it does that cool shit w/ the double.... but what are we talking pedal-wise??? I've got a dw5000... played on 9000's... is it anywhere as smooth / durable as those???
I am a complete hater of the double bass drum, I preffer using one single, but this is something experimental and cool and it lets free your hi-hat, even tough some people are as fast with double and single pedal.
I can create drums phrases in EzDrummer and FL Studio and put here on YouTube and say "I played this, btw I just have the sound because it´s the drum audio from my new CD, that will be out soon, enjoy it"
And I am not talking about guitar, I am talking about drums.
That what I said, it´s cheating, because I used studio programs instead of playing real drums.
put down the internet and sign up for a basic english class at your local community college. also, see if there is a Liars Anonymous support group in your area and get help. good luck to you.
Eu sou brasileiro, seu intrometido filho da puta. Eu falo do jeito que quero, se meu inglês é errado, problema é meu, não sou obrigado a ser um nato na língua inglesa.
Você deveria estar ensinando crianças, já que gosta tanto de corrigir as pessoas.
I bet you can´t translate that :)
Liars Anonymous support group? wtf dude, you don´t even know who I am LMFAO.
this is good but its like sampling, you know its alot helpful to learn really double pedal for independence, and in the most likely case that you wont have it for all your life,.
you can play death metal with that and its the same and its better you can have diferent pedals for a diferent part of a song and this can actually work fucking awesome
I know this isn't exactly aimed towards the pedal itself but I didn't like the idea of how he played double kick during a jazz tune... but I must say its a better lookin' single double pedal kick than the others I've seen ^_^ I prefer having two kicks not a single double lol
@soberbrent saying this is cheating is like saying a Clamp on your highhat is cheating. in my opinion the only way you can cheat with music is by lipsyncing
bass drum pedals, sticks, hell, even drums are cheating! Music should be from the voice because otherwise its cheating!
Honestly man, music is music, there are no right and wrongs, only what sounds pleasing to the ear, and you cant tell what kind of pedal they are using if its even and you cant see it
@discohunter12 i guess ur right about that, after all this pedal is pretty cool but for a heel toe pedal with two beaters on 1 pedal i think id go with the sonor giant step or the cannon. ive played on all of those and the duallist isnt really that good but its okay. anyway u do hav a pretty good point but sometimes going over the top with some ridiculous stuff takes away from the true point of music.
@soberbrent You just watched somebody do it. Every second bass drum hit you heard was the pedal on the upstroke, not the drummer. If someone rigs thier triggers to register false hits, like say for every one bass drum hit it registers two, thats cheating/cheap/cheesey/not being a musician.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
this pedal is only good for jazz if you use it to play death metal or something that is fast paced then, then use real double bass because then it is considered a cheater pedal
I have been playing dbl bass for many years and was really super fast. about 4 years ago i fell on the ice and broke my left foot really bad, that was it for the dbl bass stuff. then i found this pedal and wow i still use a single on the right but use this on the left and i have it worked out pretty good, thanks Duallist for a great pedal!!!
Tbh, Just go for a double pedal, this looks like you'll get tired, way to easy, and i think that just trying to think of a product, that you can do double bass with, and open and close the hihat... what i do, is have 2 hihats, one open, one closed, or you could just move your feet, bout hmmm 5 - 10 inches? lmao
ok guys i agree its kinda difficlut so when you pedal once both of the heads will probably hit at the same time so it might need some kind of technique to do it and i perfer two double bass pedals instead of this dumb idea product
lol i wouldnt waste my time playing that kind of music if i had peddles like that, id get 2 of them and quad kick the shit out of some thrash or hxc metal
You are arrogant as hell. If you try that pedal, it's literally fucking harder than a double. You have to train your feet to place themselves in different spots on the pedal to activate double/single pedaling, and you have to do so on time and with presicion. So sit the fuck down and shut up until you play one.
they're not "synchronized" because of how it works. the first beater hits when the pedal goes down; the second hits when it goes up, so you can control both hits.
No, you can't control it. If it worked like you said it does, then the second beater would cleanly hit after the first beater hits, with the same speed, and this guy wouldn't sound sloppy.
Ever click a pen? Ever notice how the clicks don't happen at the same speed, how you click down first, and then the second click is faster, or irregular in some way?
That's how this pedal works.
If you recorded with this pedal, it'd sound like shit and everyone'd think that you have sloppy feet.
If it hit EXACTLY when your foot comes up, then it would hit EXACTLY halfway between your first, third, fifth, seventh, etcetera strokes, making it sound PERFECTLY even.
It doesn't sound PERFECTLY even, so I'm pretty sure that it doesn't hit EXACTLY when your foot comes up.
Maybe this guy just sucks at controlling it. But it sounds like shit.
Like I said, maybe he sucks at controlling it. Maybe someone could get good at it.
But you'd still have to deal with how the head is still resonating when the second beater hits it, just like a double bass pedal. It's like dropping two stones adjacent in a pond. The ripples collide.
If you hit a bass drum in the center, and then hit it again in a different spot, the head will still be resonating. You can hit it in the same spot, but that's it.
i did listen closer, and hes doing stuff like triplet bursts, not drawn out single strokes. Its not that he isnt skilled, its just the style he's playing. and, if you say that the single strokes that he's doin at :22 are sloppy, then i think you might be being a bit overly critical, but thats just my opinion.
That may be, but being a drummer means that you have be incredibly punctilious. There's no room for making mistakes, especially if there's a recording.
They're still single strokes, by the way. Everything he did was a single stroke.
Single strokes are just notes that alternate every note from the right to the left, regardless of the rhythm.
Now, if he had a double pedal, and was doing doubles on each foot, RR LL RR LL, then you couldn't call them single strokes anymore. If you do a buzz roll, it's not a single stroke. Everything else is a single stroke.
ok, i apologize for my poor choice of words, but that doesnt change the fact that he's doing bursts, not just drawn out double bass (or whatever the proper term is) thats all im trying to bring out, that it wasnt sloppy because of the fact that he was doing a bunch of three (i think) note bursts.
it sounded irregular because he wasnt going for single strokes. he was doing doubles (and possibly triples). If you listen at about the 22 second mark, he's doing single strokes and they sound perfectly spaced.
Well, I guess it's just that I don't see any realistic need for this.
It'd be much more efficient to get two bass drums. Even just having a single with a double pedal on it sounds bad... if you strike a head, and then strike it somewhere else, the second stroke will hit when the head is still resonating. It's like dropping two stones adjacent in a pond, the ripples collide and clash with one another.
that is true, but i cant find any mistakes to point out in this video. Whether or not that from the fact that i've only been drumming for a little over a year or not, im not sure.
why is it a joke? its the same as having a double pedal but compact. Only difference is that you're using the pedal to throw in the second stroke. you still have to do the timing and everything, but it just makes it so that you have a free foot to work the hi-hat or possibly something else. I dunno, i personally wouldnt get one but i still dont have any problem with them.
It's cheating drumming, that's all. It takes away most the point of being a drummer. Drumming is a physical thing, and the most admirable feat of a drummer is his ability to train his body for coordination. With the Duallist, that's no longer necessary as far as double bass is concerned.
I'm not saying we shouldn't innovate in the field of percussion, just that we shouldn't take out the foundations of drumming. You may as well just use a sampler and no longer play.
yeah, but think about it, the pedal does not have the ability to adjust itself so that the second beater is hitting in time with the main beater, you have to time how fast you bring your foot up in order for it to flow and not sound all sloppy. How is that different than timing how fast you move your other foor in a double bass set up?
It's different because you're no longer training your body to work together. You're not trying to integreate your left and right sides to play together, perfectly. Equality no longer matters. Your left side no longer has to be as good as your right.
Now you can use your good side to do everything for you.
The only good application this pedal has, I think, is with auxillary percussion like cowbells and whatnot. I couldn't every respect a drummer who used it on his bass drum.
wow...i never really thought about that...you make a good point. But think of the possibilities that having one free foot available AND being able to do double bass at the same time could open up. You could come up with some crazy stuff with the right kind of kit.
I agree with you, you could probably do some good stuff with it. Especially if you had some of these pedals hooked up to auxillary percussion. The pedal has potential for that, I agree.
But you'd still get a slightly uneven sound across the two beaters, which would be present even just with a double pedal. Double bass is the way to go. I wish I could afford another bass drum, lol.
yeah, i suppose that it would be impossible to be completely even. But, you cant really win regardless of your set up. Dualist pedal is hard to control, double pedal is affected but the resonation of the skin from the other beater, and then double bass set ups take up a bunch of space. you can't win lol.
Lol, agreed, you can't really win. But that's the point of drumming; it's a lifelong pursuit to be as completely perfect as you can possibly get your body :)
yes, we need to get over ourselves, otherwise you'll be so burdened with being forced to read our comments. Why would you have a problem with people discussing their opinions with each other?
Why do you hate it? I don't hate it, though it's much more skillfull to play real DB pedals (even though I prefer playing single pedal). The Dualist is more of a studio drummer equipment in my opinion.
the main problem with this is gonna be switching between the 2 modes. it looks really awkward especially during a song
worsey55555 3 days ago
It's not cheating unless the equipment does the work for you. The fact that you have to use your heel to make the extra hits means it's not cheating. Saying that is cheating is like saying dudes who use the heel-toe method are cheaters. You would not call it cheating unless you are jealous of the technique being used or don't understand what the pedal is doing. You are still forced to create every hit your self using the impulses you send to your muscles via thought. How is that cheating?
Evenhandedview 2 weeks ago
Cool pedal. I like it.
SonorSonicFan 1 month ago
i want technic to be hard!!! i like the play on "hard" instead of "god mode"
queenday15 1 month ago
@queenday15 Why does it have to be hard to be worth it? Ever heard of the phrase, "work smart, not hard"?
Evenhandedview 2 weeks ago
@Evenhandedview it's ok to choose :) i like the technic being somthing super-human
queenday15 2 weeks ago
Holy shit. This. Is. So. Fucking. Awesome.
WeLikeRockNRoll 2 months ago
NOW THAT'S A GOOD IDEA!
bondjamesbond12 2 months ago
now imagine a DOUBLE BASS drumset with these dualist pedals.....hmm i wounder
04GUITARPLAYER04 2 months ago
@04GUITARPLAYER04 There are a few shitty drummers that do that, but they dont use these pedals (which are cheating, the second hit is on the upstroke and done by the pedal alone whereas most other pedals like this with two beaters, use two seperate footboards for the beaters and you actually have to do heel toe to utilize it) they usually use two sonor giant step pedals. Speed for speeds sake isnt very interesting, especially when the drummer isnt very good to begin with.
falconer6439 2 months ago
Considering it's not a double pedal, it's a rip off. You have to pay pretty much the same price as Iron Cobras!
ddrumdude 3 months ago
That is sex
NickyDark17 3 months ago
So it's one foot double bass? hows that work?
TheGreatWhiteTimmy 4 months ago
@TheGreatWhiteTimmy the pedal have 2 switches ,one in right and another in left side .when you press the left switch,,the pedal works with 2 beaters,and when you press right switch ,the pedal works with one beater........the switches can be changed with the heal....
MRmesmetin 4 months ago
@TheGreatWhiteTimmy Watch the video.
unduswaffel 2 months ago
Who defines 'cheating?' From what I understand, these pedals aren't easy to master. Also, a lot of the old masters would consider two kickdrums 'cheating.' Guitartists use all kinds of crap. I say if you can incorporate it into your sound without it souding like crap, and you can scare-up the cash for it, go for it.
MrDlt123 5 months ago
Great if you want to half-ass a double kick sound, but it really sounds like you're playing a dualist
generatrix999 6 months ago
So it's the equivalent of 'Heel toe' but costs double the amount?
ruggatug 6 months ago
I think this would be a cool addition to by double pedal. I could just keep this on constant "double mode" to use it with closed hats. Then switch to the double pedal for other stuff.
BackwardsT 7 months ago
thats for pussy drummers, you will NEVR EVER NEVER will see Vinnie Paul, for example, use this cheating pedal, NEVER
unholded 7 months ago
How in the sam hell could it be cheating when you only have a right leg? I lost my left in in a motorcycle accident. This could be what I have been looking for. So I am going to pick one up and if I like it??? You will see my video right here on this sight.. Thank you,, hifi522
robin69hifi 8 months ago
Think ill stick with me doubles, you cant seem to bounce your feet with these
lowdowncustomz1 9 months ago
ill buy one
teddy3412 10 months ago
thats lame
TruthTheSpeaker 10 months ago
Why are people saying this is cheating? When the idea of playing a drum with a foot pedal was first invented, people probably called that cheating too...
When electric instruments were developed, people probably called those cheating.
Playing music is about being creative, and making something out of the equipment you have (no matter what it is). But then... some people get so obsessed with having better "technique" than other people, they forget that music is supposed to be creative.
kevluvzchips 11 months ago 21
@kevluvzchips The simple fact is that these pedals ARE cheating, the second hit is not being done by the drummer its being done by the pedal alone. By that logic anybody that programms drums is a drummer, yeah fucking right. Now if this guy were using any other quad type pedal I wouldnt have nearly as much of a qualm with it becuase you still do have to do each hit. These are even cheesier than the giant steps.
falconer6439 2 months ago
@falconer6439 You pretty much failed to make a point there.
Just because you personally don't like a piece of equipment, doesn't make it 'cheating'. There is no such thing as 'cheating' in music, and claiming there is just demonstrates ignorance (music isn't a game with rules you have to stick to). Sure, some things require less skill to use than others, but that goes for a whole load of different pieces of equipment. There's no need to get annoyed about it.
kevluvzchips 1 month ago
@kevluvzchips Oh, and the second hit is not being done 'by the pedal alone'. If you left the pedal alone with no drummer, it wouldn't randomly hit things by itself. The drummer is still drumming and causing every hit - just using a pedal that hits twice. Get over it.
kevluvzchips 1 month ago
@kevluvzchips Yes it is being done by the pedal alone, its using the spring tension on the upstroke to trigger a second strike. I agree you have to have a drummer making the first strike to trigger the second, but its kinda the same thing as rigging your triggers to register false hits. Which goes to my second point about "cheating", I use that word because there isnt much else to describe someone that takes a short cut like these pedals, rigging triggers, quantization, etc.
falconer6439 1 month ago
@falconer6439 Shortcut? Sure, I'll give you that. That's exactly what this is. Well done.
Using the word "cheating" in the context of music is still nonsense though no matter how strongly you feel. By "cheating" what you actually mean is "I (as in you) think this is lazy and therefore don't like it".
Yes this pedal takes less skill to use than a double bass pedal. But then a double bass pedal takes less skill than doing the same thing on a standard single pedal. The list goes on.
kevluvzchips 1 month ago
@kevluvzchips It only takes less skill if you arent doing anything that cant be done with a single pedal. Unless youre going to be doing bass rolls I completely agree there is no reason to have a double pedal (just look at Zach Hill), not everything is possible with a single pedal. Aside from that the comparison is ridiculous, no matter how you slice it whether using a double or a single, each strike is a concerted effort by the drummer using nothing more than technique.
falconer6439 1 month ago
@falconer6439 I refer you to my previous comment about music being about creativity, not technique. Technique is merely something that is used to achieve a creative vision. It doesn't make you creative.
kevluvzchips 1 month ago
@kevluvzchips Creativity in music best describes originality, not just the act of creating music. Your definition would mean that all music is creative, which we both know is not true.
falconer6439 1 month ago
@kevluvzchips Also its not a "shortcut", just like programming drums and pantomiming the motion along with the other aforementioned cheapness is not. Its disingenuous at best.
falconer6439 1 month ago
the whole entire music is changing....requieres more speed and force......i think is a great invention..same as hhot hat from gibraltar....imagine how it,s sounds a duallist pedal and a hhot hat put together?!?!......
MRmesmetin 11 months ago
Thats CHEATING DUMB ASS! NOT REAL TECHNIQUE!!!
MrHouseofdrums 1 year ago
@MrHouseofdrums tell that to the people who are sitting in mansions right now because they came up with the idea for this pedal:)
xPoNyxMoDzx 1 year ago
anyone thats come on this video to say 'the duallist is cheating', is trolling
chilly2829 1 year ago
saying the duallist is a "cheat" for drummers is like saying effects are cheating for guitars, that a guitarist should have to play with distortion the "old fashioned way." The argument is moot - there is no old fashioned way to play with distortion or with a duallist pedal, they are innovative in and of themselves.
innovation is good for the entire world, especially in the music world. if you have qualms with using a duallist pedal, dont use one. if you want to try something different, do it.
alexgerber102 1 year ago
Wait up I meant stick to 2 pedals
FluffyGoesRawrXP 1 year ago
This is like cheating lol stick to 2two
FluffyGoesRawrXP 1 year ago
i dont get how it works.
AndyPFTW 1 year ago
@AndyPFTW cuz its wrong... in my opinion anyway, i'd rather have two pedals
SGTSnEAkypAnTs 1 year ago
@SGTSnEAkypAnTs same.
AndyPFTW 1 year ago
it sounds like 1 E _ A 2_ & A_E &
I.e. two hits, pause, two hits
zuma5278255424 1 year ago
how about you learn to use a real pedal and keep the good name of drumming clean
hobes9 1 year ago
@hobes9 personaly i like a single.but if you think about it using that instead of a double allows you to use the hi hat pedal.although imnot to crazy about it ill admit its conveinent
viehmeyer1 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Ok, Thank you, i need see about " beater stroke/strap adjuster right " and left , i`ve got a problem with my Duallist D3 drum pedals, and nobody know about these in Argentina, Can give me same video or photos? (kukucita07@hotmail.com) i don´t understand so much english... tell me if you can´t understand me, Thanck you so much. kukucita07.
kukucita07 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Ok, Thank you, i need see about " beater stroke/strap adjuster right " and left , i`ve got a problem with my Duallist D3 drum pedals, and nobody know about these in Argentina, Can give me same video or photos? (kukucita07@hotmail.com) i don´t understand so much english... tell me if you can´t understand me, Thanck you so much. kukucita07.
kukucita07 1 year ago
hola ,podrias poner algun video donde se puedan ver las posiciones de los tornillos de la plancha que regulan las cintas y la tencion de los resortes ,para poder regular el mio gracias saludos
kukucita07 1 year ago
man even i can do that with one pedal !!
juanchodelasriveras 1 year ago
its john bonham in a pedal:D!!!!
matalica46 1 year ago
gay
buy a dbl pedal u pussies
mnap128 1 year ago
It's called cheating...tottaly sucks....PROs need to do that with single pedal :S
AlterBridgefanc 1 year ago
Sound like a Horse riding
adaaaan 1 year ago
I had the idea for this a few months ago. I had it all planned out. Now somebody stole it. Four years ago.
prodigy372 1 year ago
@prodigy372 yea i had this same idea two years ago. its hard to come up with something not already stolen.... maybe i should look into a machine that will toast bread....
nolfavrellcalamakta 1 year ago
@prodigy372 I hate it when that happens!
chainlinkdreams 1 year ago
the way this pedal is is way smarter that the pedal that has the heel board (or whatever) as the other beater
RBdestroyer3321 1 year ago
@RBdestroyer3321
what the !§$% r u talking about?
listen to ur self...
Leeroooy 1 year ago
As a single pedal i think its great. It takes some getting used to in double pedal mode. I do play with a double bass pedal too. One question to all the haters and people who think its cheating. Have you used one? If not have a go you might find you have some fun and add a different angle to your playing. If its good enough for Charlie B from Anthrax then hey its good enough for me. Peace.
Jasepensummer 1 year ago
sounds wrong! or he is doing it wrong! still dont like it! whats next? a guitar that almost plays it self!
VH12th 1 year ago
The first stroke can be heard much more clearly than the second stroke, meaning that this pedal doesn't work in practise, in theory maybe... Lousy concept anyway.
Imrez 1 year ago
Lijkt me niet lekker om te spelen
Look like to me it isn't playing nice.
stef100125 1 year ago
Unnecessary. Just....no.
RagingChaos27 1 year ago
no muy le entiendo a ese pedal pero pss eso lo ago asta con un pies
donaldo120 1 year ago
@jesben30 go look at brutal death drummer fucker go fast
pnutskater96 1 year ago
I just can't see it being as great as it looks/seems. I would like to try one, but it just seems like a great idea, but it would be extremely hard to get right.
budmorgan23 2 years ago
that seems....different? It seems ok, and i respect it as in invention, but in my own personal opinion, and being a drummer myself, its pussy. its not cheating or anything, and I would try it out, but thats kinda guy. I don't like it. thats only my opinion though. i'll stick with a double pedal double bass.
drumwsticks1 2 years ago
what im wondering is what is the quality of the actual pedal??
yeah, yeah... it does that cool shit w/ the double.... but what are we talking pedal-wise??? I've got a dw5000... played on 9000's... is it anywhere as smooth / durable as those???
thx
jacko767 2 years ago
thinking the same thing :P
Seansmotrin 2 years ago
no theres a switch
icancount2qbakwd 2 years ago
As an owner i would not recommend this unless you are filthy rich. you can only go fast
you notice he didnt do any cool beats if you like doing breakdowns this isnt for you.
stevenr00lzd00d 2 years ago
So...only Dualist makes these?
MrJeekz 2 years ago
Aaaaargh, NEED IT!
I am a complete hater of the double bass drum, I preffer using one single, but this is something experimental and cool and it lets free your hi-hat, even tough some people are as fast with double and single pedal.
SerchTV 2 years ago
I can create drums phrases in EzDrummer and FL Studio and put here on YouTube and say "I played this, btw I just have the sound because it´s the drum audio from my new CD, that will be out soon, enjoy it"
And I am not talking about guitar, I am talking about drums.
That what I said, it´s cheating, because I used studio programs instead of playing real drums.
Praticoisso 2 years ago
put down the internet and sign up for a basic english class at your local community college. also, see if there is a Liars Anonymous support group in your area and get help. good luck to you.
hexadecim8 2 years ago
Eu sou brasileiro, seu intrometido filho da puta. Eu falo do jeito que quero, se meu inglês é errado, problema é meu, não sou obrigado a ser um nato na língua inglesa.
Você deveria estar ensinando crianças, já que gosta tanto de corrigir as pessoas.
I bet you can´t translate that :)
Liars Anonymous support group? wtf dude, you don´t even know who I am LMFAO.
btw, check out my ezdrummer video.
Praticoisso 2 years ago
this is good but its like sampling, you know its alot helpful to learn really double pedal for independence, and in the most likely case that you wont have it for all your life,.
mrTooKanSam 2 years ago
you can play death metal with that and its the same and its better you can have diferent pedals for a diferent part of a song and this can actually work fucking awesome
popopupipi 2 years ago
I know this isn't exactly aimed towards the pedal itself but I didn't like the idea of how he played double kick during a jazz tune... but I must say its a better lookin' single double pedal kick than the others I've seen ^_^ I prefer having two kicks not a single double lol
ned2one 2 years ago
you cant cheat at music morons.
soberbrent 2 years ago 38
its not cheating
dumadave10 2 years ago
Yeah, you can. But, if something needs your technique to play it, that´s not cheating [what i am saying is, you can cheat using technology]
Praticoisso 2 years ago
@soberbrent saying this is cheating is like saying a Clamp on your highhat is cheating. in my opinion the only way you can cheat with music is by lipsyncing
MackBruce12 1 year ago
@soberbrent according to the dumbass that made this pedal now u can.
dangerrat456 1 year ago
@dangerrat456 L0l Pl4y1n w1th st1x r ch33tz
bass drum pedals, sticks, hell, even drums are cheating! Music should be from the voice because otherwise its cheating!
Honestly man, music is music, there are no right and wrongs, only what sounds pleasing to the ear, and you cant tell what kind of pedal they are using if its even and you cant see it
discohunter12 11 months ago
@discohunter12 i guess ur right about that, after all this pedal is pretty cool but for a heel toe pedal with two beaters on 1 pedal i think id go with the sonor giant step or the cannon. ive played on all of those and the duallist isnt really that good but its okay. anyway u do hav a pretty good point but sometimes going over the top with some ridiculous stuff takes away from the true point of music.
dangerrat456 11 months ago
@soberbrent You just watched somebody do it. Every second bass drum hit you heard was the pedal on the upstroke, not the drummer. If someone rigs thier triggers to register false hits, like say for every one bass drum hit it registers two, thats cheating/cheap/cheesey/not being a musician.
falconer6439 2 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
this pedal is only good for jazz if you use it to play death metal or something that is fast paced then, then use real double bass because then it is considered a cheater pedal
Malfunctiondj33 2 years ago
Thanks. I really never looked or could see what the players were hitting.
scooter4mylil9life 2 years ago
Can anyone explain to me how Single footed double bass works?
scooter4mylil9life 2 years ago
God dammmitt!!!! Triggers aren`t cheating!
konarider 2 years ago
on 0:30 sounds like youre riding a horse :D
but its cool :)
manowar168 2 years ago
i bought one of these pos double pedals are the only way to go tried to adjust to get volume so far zilch
bobbydrums68 2 years ago
Imagine Helhammer using this lol
Gandalf930 2 years ago 2
technology niggaz
IwillPAWNu 2 years ago 2
This is the lamest pedal ever
blooddrummer 2 years ago 2
this video cracked me up for some reason
pensfan0782 2 years ago
too weird for me
pocketbanana 2 years ago
sounds weird.
sounds like when you just started practicing heel toe. one beat is not equal to the other.
watchyourst3p 2 years ago 25
I have been playing dbl bass for many years and was really super fast. about 4 years ago i fell on the ice and broke my left foot really bad, that was it for the dbl bass stuff. then i found this pedal and wow i still use a single on the right but use this on the left and i have it worked out pretty good, thanks Duallist for a great pedal!!!
sx600 2 years ago 2
how could i make something like that myself?
Scoreking81 2 years ago
really retarded product cos you can reach the that speed with normall pedal
DuDe1040 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
this is cheating and is bullshit. fags
noeee33 2 years ago
do u have to use the toe for one mallet and the heel for the other???
drummerking28 2 years ago
no, its a double stroking pedal. put you foot down and it hits once, pull it back up and it hits again.
iscareuiknowit 2 years ago
triplets impossible?
totsuo831 2 years ago
Tbh, Just go for a double pedal, this looks like you'll get tired, way to easy, and i think that just trying to think of a product, that you can do double bass with, and open and close the hihat... what i do, is have 2 hihats, one open, one closed, or you could just move your feet, bout hmmm 5 - 10 inches? lmao
BraDliiRavagerPro 2 years ago
love the tambourine part
pogodrummer 2 years ago
beast on that tamborine! jk
dontcommentme 2 years ago
amen!!
XjuanissimoX7 2 years ago
All of this can be played with a good single pedal. Just practice good technique instead of buying machines that do it for you.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
what technique do you use?
xxDROCKxx 2 years ago
Heel-toe, the same as JoJo Mayer when he plays beats like this on a single.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
Uhhhh JoJo Mayer uses the swivel technique...
camo03 2 years ago
Perhaps he does, but when he's playing his really fast stuff that he is famous for, he uses heel-toe.
Dreammotive 2 years ago
ok guys i agree its kinda difficlut so when you pedal once both of the heads will probably hit at the same time so it might need some kind of technique to do it and i perfer two double bass pedals instead of this dumb idea product
PKfreshJmsneeze 2 years ago
i looks like this will make ur leg tried fast
MasterChiefNewb 2 years ago
looks sick
tamaplayer22 2 years ago
lol i wouldnt waste my time playing that kind of music if i had peddles like that, id get 2 of them and quad kick the shit out of some thrash or hxc metal
jcbecker 2 years ago
can i get a amen?
fivestardummer 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i have no respect for anyone that uses this pedal
fivestardummer 2 years ago
You are arrogant as hell. If you try that pedal, it's literally fucking harder than a double. You have to train your feet to place themselves in different spots on the pedal to activate double/single pedaling, and you have to do so on time and with presicion. So sit the fuck down and shut up until you play one.
Drratburn 2 years ago
HOw does this work?
darkmurcielago 2 years ago
this thing is bad ass
TanakaNKush 2 years ago
lol it's so sick!
tamaplayer22 3 years ago
for me, its like cheating
mateoarv 3 years ago
well when normal doublepedal came out i think many people thougt that was cheat too.. xD
Villiaam 3 years ago 3
how do you do single bass
on the dualist?
jihanskate 3 years ago
ive got a id up on my account of my drummer doin double with a single footpedal. and hes NOT CHEATING...
irondagger93 3 years ago
Imagine having two of these things on two bass drums... Quadruple pedal.
d00derson 3 years ago 2
d00derson,
already a video on that. Search up "Quadruple Blasting"
bumbumbum1 3 years ago
how does this thing work?
Jazzjin 3 years ago
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, it's mostly a fun add-on.
zokyle 3 years ago
This pedal would be much better if the second beater were synchronized with the first beater.
It sounds sloppy.
xhaos950 3 years ago
they're not "synchronized" because of how it works. the first beater hits when the pedal goes down; the second hits when it goes up, so you can control both hits.
hamstaman1010 3 years ago
No, you can't control it. If it worked like you said it does, then the second beater would cleanly hit after the first beater hits, with the same speed, and this guy wouldn't sound sloppy.
Ever click a pen? Ever notice how the clicks don't happen at the same speed, how you click down first, and then the second click is faster, or irregular in some way?
That's how this pedal works.
If you recorded with this pedal, it'd sound like shit and everyone'd think that you have sloppy feet.
xhaos950 3 years ago
uh no... the second beater hits when you pull your foot up
OSUcks726 2 years ago
Then tell me why it doesn't sound straight?
Why doesn't it sound even?
Why is it irregular?
If it hit EXACTLY when your foot comes up, then it would hit EXACTLY halfway between your first, third, fifth, seventh, etcetera strokes, making it sound PERFECTLY even.
It doesn't sound PERFECTLY even, so I'm pretty sure that it doesn't hit EXACTLY when your foot comes up.
Maybe this guy just sucks at controlling it. But it sounds like shit.
You can't cheat drumming.
xhaos950 2 years ago
he sucks but listen at :23 even strokes
OSUcks726 2 years ago
Like I said, maybe he sucks at controlling it. Maybe someone could get good at it.
But you'd still have to deal with how the head is still resonating when the second beater hits it, just like a double bass pedal. It's like dropping two stones adjacent in a pond. The ripples collide.
If you hit a bass drum in the center, and then hit it again in a different spot, the head will still be resonating. You can hit it in the same spot, but that's it.
Just keep it simple with 2 bass drums.
xhaos950 2 years ago
i did listen closer, and hes doing stuff like triplet bursts, not drawn out single strokes. Its not that he isnt skilled, its just the style he's playing. and, if you say that the single strokes that he's doin at :22 are sloppy, then i think you might be being a bit overly critical, but thats just my opinion.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
That may be, but being a drummer means that you have be incredibly punctilious. There's no room for making mistakes, especially if there's a recording.
xhaos950 2 years ago
They're still single strokes, by the way. Everything he did was a single stroke.
Single strokes are just notes that alternate every note from the right to the left, regardless of the rhythm.
Now, if he had a double pedal, and was doing doubles on each foot, RR LL RR LL, then you couldn't call them single strokes anymore. If you do a buzz roll, it's not a single stroke. Everything else is a single stroke.
xhaos950 2 years ago
ok, i apologize for my poor choice of words, but that doesnt change the fact that he's doing bursts, not just drawn out double bass (or whatever the proper term is) thats all im trying to bring out, that it wasnt sloppy because of the fact that he was doing a bunch of three (i think) note bursts.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
it sounded irregular because he wasnt going for single strokes. he was doing doubles (and possibly triples). If you listen at about the 22 second mark, he's doing single strokes and they sound perfectly spaced.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
Lol, they're all single strokes. It's just that he does a double with his foot, and the Duallist BS pedal fills in the spaces for him.
But not in the way that it would if he used both his feet. It was sloppy. And that's my point, you can't cheat drumming.
AND, as a matter of fact, it DOESN'T sound perfectly spaced when he does the singles at :22. It's still sloppy. Listen closer.
xhaos950 2 years ago
ehh it's still closer than everything else
OSUcks726 2 years ago
Well, I guess it's just that I don't see any realistic need for this.
It'd be much more efficient to get two bass drums. Even just having a single with a double pedal on it sounds bad... if you strike a head, and then strike it somewhere else, the second stroke will hit when the head is still resonating. It's like dropping two stones adjacent in a pond, the ripples collide and clash with one another.
xhaos950 2 years ago
that is true, but i cant find any mistakes to point out in this video. Whether or not that from the fact that i've only been drumming for a little over a year or not, im not sure.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
I just think it sounds sloppy, that's all. There's no blatant mistakes, he's just sloppy is all. And I think that this pedal is a huge ass joke.
xhaos950 2 years ago
why is it a joke? its the same as having a double pedal but compact. Only difference is that you're using the pedal to throw in the second stroke. you still have to do the timing and everything, but it just makes it so that you have a free foot to work the hi-hat or possibly something else. I dunno, i personally wouldnt get one but i still dont have any problem with them.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
It's cheating drumming, that's all. It takes away most the point of being a drummer. Drumming is a physical thing, and the most admirable feat of a drummer is his ability to train his body for coordination. With the Duallist, that's no longer necessary as far as double bass is concerned.
I'm not saying we shouldn't innovate in the field of percussion, just that we shouldn't take out the foundations of drumming. You may as well just use a sampler and no longer play.
xhaos950 2 years ago
yeah, but think about it, the pedal does not have the ability to adjust itself so that the second beater is hitting in time with the main beater, you have to time how fast you bring your foot up in order for it to flow and not sound all sloppy. How is that different than timing how fast you move your other foor in a double bass set up?
CLsixteen 2 years ago
It's different because you're no longer training your body to work together. You're not trying to integreate your left and right sides to play together, perfectly. Equality no longer matters. Your left side no longer has to be as good as your right.
Now you can use your good side to do everything for you.
The only good application this pedal has, I think, is with auxillary percussion like cowbells and whatnot. I couldn't every respect a drummer who used it on his bass drum.
xhaos950 2 years ago
wow...i never really thought about that...you make a good point. But think of the possibilities that having one free foot available AND being able to do double bass at the same time could open up. You could come up with some crazy stuff with the right kind of kit.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
I agree with you, you could probably do some good stuff with it. Especially if you had some of these pedals hooked up to auxillary percussion. The pedal has potential for that, I agree.
But you'd still get a slightly uneven sound across the two beaters, which would be present even just with a double pedal. Double bass is the way to go. I wish I could afford another bass drum, lol.
xhaos950 2 years ago
yeah, i suppose that it would be impossible to be completely even. But, you cant really win regardless of your set up. Dualist pedal is hard to control, double pedal is affected but the resonation of the skin from the other beater, and then double bass set ups take up a bunch of space. you can't win lol.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
Lol, agreed, you can't really win. But that's the point of drumming; it's a lifelong pursuit to be as completely perfect as you can possibly get your body :)
Well, that's how I view it, anyway.
xhaos950 2 years ago
well put lol, couldnt have said it better myself.
CLsixteen 2 years ago
you can do whatever you want
you guys need to get over yourselves
gorbitron5000 2 years ago
yes, we need to get over ourselves, otherwise you'll be so burdened with being forced to read our comments. Why would you have a problem with people discussing their opinions with each other?
CLsixteen 2 years ago
your so right.
Wombat66614 3 years ago
just a toy, bassdrum sounds like pile of shit
works only for that cowbell, nothing else
RedXIV 3 years ago
i didnt ray ramano was a drummer. hes got a tan too lol.
jakeandbobo4ev 3 years ago 2
haha he does look like ray!
dcidrumfi 3 years ago
that is an extreamly deep bass drum.
TheFlemm1234 3 years ago
may i remind you that these guys are proffesionals. it's not that easy, i hate the dualist, real double bass for the win
javi9446 3 years ago
i agree! DB FTW!
pkpwn3r93 3 years ago
Why do you hate it? I don't hate it, though it's much more skillfull to play real DB pedals (even though I prefer playing single pedal). The Dualist is more of a studio drummer equipment in my opinion.
zokyle 3 years ago