en mi opinión, actoralmente tenemos a la sucesora de Meier, particularmente cuando veo a Eva, me recuerda a Meier, claro que será difícil superar a Meier, pero seguro solo hay la muerte, jaja
J'ai eu la chance inouïe d'assister à ce concert... Et je découvre tout à fait par hasard cette vidéo. Ce fut un moment exceptionnel, de part l'engagement vocal et même physique des chanteurs, magnifiquement soutenus par l'orchestre. La vision de cette vidéo ravive le brulant souvenir de ce spectacle exceptionnel en tout point Acoustique, direction, orchestre et chanteurs.... Un grand moment !!!!:
@williamforever1958 ??? Forgive me for being a bit surprised to see this comment . Do you suggest they shouldn't pretend to be Siegmund and Sieglinde? Acting has to do with singing. As for the 'yealing', I think this final part of the first act of Die Walkure isn't really meant to be sung in a modest, restrained way. It is total commitment and full of energy. And Eva does have a big voice, if that's what you mean... Big, also in the sense of great, as far as I'm concerned.
@visse264 Thanks for your statement. What I want to say is, that in opera, espacially in dramatic opera, the main thing is the clear and harmonic sound and the relaxed but powerful singing. Then came the acting and the passion. Both, Eva and Clifton have wonderful voices but are singing with too much pressure. The don't sing with the orchestra, the are fighting against the music. If you want to here what I mean, take a look at some clips of Theo Adam, Birgit Nilsson or Giovanni Martinelli.
@williamforever1958 I find your comment very intriguing. While I agree that the current upheaval in opera has led to an evolution that is significantly more like a regression than anything else (see the most recent Met Don Carlo). However I feel like german opera has held itself decently well against the rushing tides of mediocrity. Yes Nilsson is a better singer than Westbrook, no question, but Westbrook has more faithfully translated the larger Wagnarian message more faithfully to the 2010s.
@Loismustdie26 I don't think the way Westbroek is singing Sieglinde is a sign of the times. It's just her voice, there's no big philosophy behind it, in my opinion. You might call it 'a hectic translation', I just think it's passionate and beautiful. She's thoroughly convincing, in all aspects. I don't think it's much use to compare singers, unfair in a way. But having heard Nilsson singing Sieglinde, I'm definitely not convinced it sounded better than Eva. That's for sure.
@williamforever1958 I really want to stress that, as i currently listen to Nilsson I hear what you're saying, but for me Wager, expressed himself in a way very different from Verdi or Berlioz. His stories were much less about actual events and people and rather about the ideas associated. And the more hectic translation delivered by Westbroek is significantly more attuned to today. It can be argued that a "more hectic translation" mirrors a less disciplined and worse society, but I disagree:
@williamforever1958 The stark contrast in the 2, chomping immediacy and sloppy-ish tech by West holds a mirror we dislike seeing, but also in tandem w/ Nils holds a mirror to the past, and allows us to better see the past, see who we are how we've changed and where we're going.
And that is not just Wagnarian, but Opera IMHO. I don't think its done accidentally. Comparisons only further serve a greater message. So Id urge comparison, but not ultimatums. We loose much of Wagner's intent that way.
@LejeuneWerther He's far from terrible. He's just terribly exciting. Try Karajan if you want prettiness and no passion! I know. I experienced THAT more than once at the Vienna State Opera.
I agree that it is a little bit slow, but I don't think it is really abnormal or unheard of in a musical setting like this. This opera in a theater, with the characters playing roles on a stage, creates an entirely different dynamic situation. I don' t think Bernard Haitink doesn't understand what music tells, in fact the evidence is overwhelming that he does. I just think he wants to highlight the performance of the singers here. I don't think it's senza logic.
@rumpwrestler In that case I'm glad I didn't hear Kna. By the way, I wasn't really the person who brought up the 'slow' thing. I think it is just fine. Thanks for the support.
Marvellous both! Bravi! Eva,fantastisch gezongen en heel mooie expressie! Te gek om te zien en horen hoe geweldig je carrière maakt. Heel veel toi,toi met de komende producties.groet van studie-genote uit Den Haag,Annelies Prins.groet ook aan Frank.
Nicely done!
wTrevorh 4 months ago
en mi opinión, actoralmente tenemos a la sucesora de Meier, particularmente cuando veo a Eva, me recuerda a Meier, claro que será difícil superar a Meier, pero seguro solo hay la muerte, jaja
wotancat1 7 months ago
J'ai eu la chance inouïe d'assister à ce concert... Et je découvre tout à fait par hasard cette vidéo. Ce fut un moment exceptionnel, de part l'engagement vocal et même physique des chanteurs, magnifiquement soutenus par l'orchestre. La vision de cette vidéo ravive le brulant souvenir de ce spectacle exceptionnel en tout point Acoustique, direction, orchestre et chanteurs.... Un grand moment !!!!:
PILA4807 7 months ago
fabulous! and the orchestra is outstanding!
jpryan31 10 months ago
Where can I get this on DVD??? I need to see the whole act, it is so fantastic!!
TheTenorjeff 10 months ago
@williamforever1958 ??? Forgive me for being a bit surprised to see this comment . Do you suggest they shouldn't pretend to be Siegmund and Sieglinde? Acting has to do with singing. As for the 'yealing', I think this final part of the first act of Die Walkure isn't really meant to be sung in a modest, restrained way. It is total commitment and full of energy. And Eva does have a big voice, if that's what you mean... Big, also in the sense of great, as far as I'm concerned.
visse264 1 year ago
@visse264 Thanks for your statement. What I want to say is, that in opera, espacially in dramatic opera, the main thing is the clear and harmonic sound and the relaxed but powerful singing. Then came the acting and the passion. Both, Eva and Clifton have wonderful voices but are singing with too much pressure. The don't sing with the orchestra, the are fighting against the music. If you want to here what I mean, take a look at some clips of Theo Adam, Birgit Nilsson or Giovanni Martinelli.
williamforever1958 1 year ago
@williamforever1958 I find your comment very intriguing. While I agree that the current upheaval in opera has led to an evolution that is significantly more like a regression than anything else (see the most recent Met Don Carlo). However I feel like german opera has held itself decently well against the rushing tides of mediocrity. Yes Nilsson is a better singer than Westbrook, no question, but Westbrook has more faithfully translated the larger Wagnarian message more faithfully to the 2010s.
Loismustdie26 1 year ago
@Loismustdie26 I don't think the way Westbroek is singing Sieglinde is a sign of the times. It's just her voice, there's no big philosophy behind it, in my opinion. You might call it 'a hectic translation', I just think it's passionate and beautiful. She's thoroughly convincing, in all aspects. I don't think it's much use to compare singers, unfair in a way. But having heard Nilsson singing Sieglinde, I'm definitely not convinced it sounded better than Eva. That's for sure.
visse264 1 year ago
@williamforever1958 I really want to stress that, as i currently listen to Nilsson I hear what you're saying, but for me Wager, expressed himself in a way very different from Verdi or Berlioz. His stories were much less about actual events and people and rather about the ideas associated. And the more hectic translation delivered by Westbroek is significantly more attuned to today. It can be argued that a "more hectic translation" mirrors a less disciplined and worse society, but I disagree:
Loismustdie26 1 year ago
@williamforever1958 The stark contrast in the 2, chomping immediacy and sloppy-ish tech by West holds a mirror we dislike seeing, but also in tandem w/ Nils holds a mirror to the past, and allows us to better see the past, see who we are how we've changed and where we're going.
And that is not just Wagnarian, but Opera IMHO. I don't think its done accidentally. Comparisons only further serve a greater message. So Id urge comparison, but not ultimatums. We loose much of Wagner's intent that way.
Loismustdie26 1 year ago
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This cannot be bettered
pressopran 1 year ago
OMGOMGOMGOMG I'm in love
Loismustdie26 1 year ago
GENIAAAAAL!!
tensazangetsu69 1 year ago
So great Eva Maria, beautiful sung and so expressieve, you believe evrey word she sings!!!
Brava
ladivinediva 1 year ago
@LejeuneWerther He's far from terrible. He's just terribly exciting. Try Karajan if you want prettiness and no passion! I know. I experienced THAT more than once at the Vienna State Opera.
rumpwrestler 1 year ago
What a super two voices! wonderful!
rumpwrestler 1 year ago
fabulous. can't wait for her at the met!
jboschet 1 year ago
Jede Euro wert! Worth every cent! This is the measure by which others should be judged.
deutschefach 1 year ago 2
I heard his Tristan in Berlin. Almost went deaf during the third act, he was loud as fuck.
Caskader 1 year ago
A great pairing! Both Forbis and Westbroek are spectacular.
coryisawake 1 year ago
Brava Eva!
georgerannie 1 year ago
@LejeuneWerther
I agree that it is a little bit slow, but I don't think it is really abnormal or unheard of in a musical setting like this. This opera in a theater, with the characters playing roles on a stage, creates an entirely different dynamic situation. I don' t think Bernard Haitink doesn't understand what music tells, in fact the evidence is overwhelming that he does. I just think he wants to highlight the performance of the singers here. I don't think it's senza logic.
visse264 1 year ago
@visse264 This might be somewhat slow, but you should have heard Kna conduct this in Bayreuth. That WAS SLOW!!!!
rumpwrestler 1 year ago
@rumpwrestler In that case I'm glad I didn't hear Kna. By the way, I wasn't really the person who brought up the 'slow' thing. I think it is just fine. Thanks for the support.
visse264 1 year ago
@LejeuneWerther
I would like you to elaborate a little bit more on 'the conductor being terrible'. What do you mean exactly?
visse264 1 year ago
Marvellous both! Bravi! Eva,fantastisch gezongen en heel mooie expressie! Te gek om te zien en horen hoe geweldig je carrière maakt. Heel veel toi,toi met de komende producties.groet van studie-genote uit Den Haag,Annelies Prins.groet ook aan Frank.
LaPrins40 1 year ago
What a wonderfull TENOR!!!!!!
Bravi both!!!!!
lelecoloco 2 years ago
Bravo EVA, genial !!!!
sadnikroman 2 years ago 9
i will see him this april in the german opera berlin ;-) in Walküre
YEAH ;-)
singingisall 2 years ago
this opera with they will to be marvelous, better than concert
58wotan 2 years ago
So exhilarating. Especially the final 5 measures.
ThaSchwab 2 years ago
A great performance of one of my all time favorite acts of opera. Bravi tutti!
Operaddict 2 years ago
This combination of beautiful singing and acting (facial expression) of Eva-Maria is truly stunning. Also a big bravo for Clifton.
visse264 2 years ago 7