@DLandonCole You give no reason why Ramsey is wrong and go on to quote something which has no relation to what he said.
India was divided in the name of Islam because Muslims in 1947 wanted a separate country for themselves. And hence they created Pakistan.
I just gave you one real life example of the subversion Islam is capable of in a country almost equally democratic as the US if not more (leave the poverty aside).
@TheFakeBarbarian Because it's a radically different situation, it's not decolonisation, Muslims aren't a significant proportion of the population of the US, Muslims in the US don't want to be apart, we've learnt from the past and we're not setting up a new state.
@DLandonCole Muslims in India in 1940s asking for Pakistan is no different than say Mormons demanding MormonVille, except they don't because their holy book unlike the Koran does not have political conquest at its core.
The "freedom of religion" principle is inadequate wrt Islam and end's up letting the Camel's nose into the tent. The right thing to do is ban Islam. it's extreme but much better than hoping the snake won't bite because you feed it.
@DLandonCole let's borrow the idea from Muslims themselves....everyone who identifies as a Muslim will have to pay a "reverse-jizziya" tax of 70% straight. If you want to stop paying it, convert to any other religion of choice, doesn't matter if its voodoo. Your witness in a court of law will not be acceptable if you are a Muslim. Its a long list...over the centuries no one has figured out more creative ways for forced conversion than Muslims....
@DLandonCole Not sure about your argument - the "Islamic world" has been shoving Sharia law down infidel throats since 622 AD. I see no reason why we can't return the favor..
You can't fight and defeat monsters without monstrosity. Islam is what it is - fascism multiplied by religious zeal, and it has to be dealt accordingly.
The 1st amendment is NOT an immutable truth. It is a strategy that has its limitations. And fails badly when used to deal with political-religious hybrids like Islam.
@dictionar1 i watched "don't be a sucker" and i was especially turned off at the stereotype of the average german citizen being naive rats following a pied piper. the ppl of austria, salzburg and obersalzburg, for example, detested the presence of hitler and the ss guard training there. it showed 3 german men who perished in the fighting. many of the ss guards chose to be captured close to the end of the war, and wound up in our own cia, interestingly enough. just a thought.
How's that getting run over by nasty stinking ragheads working out for you in the UK?
At worse, Ramsey is throwing out empty weasel words to convince voters to vote for him which Islamic sympathizers are twisting. He'd take no role in stopping a mosque being built.
I just watched "Don't be a Sucker." It looks really familiar. I may have seen it before, but it is very powerful and it sums up what I think about rights and freedom.
"I value the x amendment of the US constitution" - is usually the prefiguring of ignoring of the principles of that amendment. The most loyal supporters of freedom are often the biggest enemy of freedom.
Mrs Thatcher who used the rhetoric of freedom was one of the most centralising prime ministers in Britain - I suspect that Reagan and other freedom rhetoricians if you analyse their work will be found to be anti-liberty
What this overlooks is the fact that Islam is a political dogma masquerading as religious piety. Muslims who are faithful to the teaching of the Quran owe their primary allegiance to Islam not to the infidel societies whither they have emigrated. "Obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them with great endeavour" (Q25.52). The sentiments of the Quran are diametrically opposed to those of Jefferson. You will not easily find churches, synagogues and temples in Saudi Arabia.
The republicans would say "You don't know anything about the founding fathers! They were talking about all CHRISTIANS. They didn't mean for that to apply to all religions."
To sum it up: in a secular society, you are free to believe in any religion, not to fully practice it. we must put restrictions on the practice of the religion, because the "right" to fully practice your religion IS the "right" to enforce it on others and behead those who disagree.
Very good video Landon, powerful quote and fine pwnage.
Jefferson outlines, step-by-step, the reasoning behind this Act:
One's beliefs shall not mitigate or enhance in any way one's eligibility for government service.
The Constitution tends to define our liberties from the standpoint of "freedoms from" rather than "thou shalt nots". The "thou shalt nots" are directed primarily at the government itself, not the citizenry.
I'll have to think more on your other well-written comments.
@bushonomics Thanks for this reply and comment. You learned me something in this distinction between the Constitution and the actual government. I'll dig it too.
between the arizona apartheid laws, and this fellow, it seems america is treading a path that makes the BNP/EDL crowd look postively tame. das ist nicht gut.
3- This Ron Ramsey guy lives in a society based on christian values, In 2010 After Christ with day off on Sunday and the celebration of Christmas. See my point? Even hardcore atheists say they live in 2010 and enjoy Christmas.
This guy is so USED to live in a society governed by his own standards, he does not realize how much his "culture" enforces everything way beyond the necessary moral compass.
So when confronted with REAL "muticulturalism", he feels it like a threat on his poor paradigm. //
2- Namely, religion aka the death of freedom under the pretense of freedom.
No muslim is free to practice his religion in Europe: the full practice of the religion would demand from "Holy days" to mosques preaching the extermination of jews and sharia courts hanging homosexuals. They don't have the "freedom to fully practice" their religion b/c the full practice of ANY religion demands legislative standards. You just can't keep that off the politics.
1- Obviously this "statement' fom Ron Ramsey is pretty dumb, but now let's play the devil's advocate, shall we (I love to do that).
This is why separation of church and state, a thing that may seem so obvious and granted for people like "us" (:non-practicing if not atheist), is in fact not so granted, if you consider the actual bigotry of individuals. Basically, one can NOT fully practice his religion in a secular state.
What this guy fears is what he is trying to enforce.
Freedom of religion is for EVERYONE!!! We don't get to pick and choose...if we allow someone in government to discriminate against muslims...who's next?
@DLandonCole You give no reason why Ramsey is wrong and go on to quote something which has no relation to what he said.
India was divided in the name of Islam because Muslims in 1947 wanted a separate country for themselves. And hence they created Pakistan.
I just gave you one real life example of the subversion Islam is capable of in a country almost equally democratic as the US if not more (leave the poverty aside).
Explain why that will not happen in the USA?
TheFakeBarbarian 1 year ago
@TheFakeBarbarian Because it's a radically different situation, it's not decolonisation, Muslims aren't a significant proportion of the population of the US, Muslims in the US don't want to be apart, we've learnt from the past and we're not setting up a new state.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole Muslims in India in 1940s asking for Pakistan is no different than say Mormons demanding MormonVille, except they don't because their holy book unlike the Koran does not have political conquest at its core.
The "freedom of religion" principle is inadequate wrt Islam and end's up letting the Camel's nose into the tent. The right thing to do is ban Islam. it's extreme but much better than hoping the snake won't bite because you feed it.
TheFakeBarbarian 1 year ago
@TheFakeBarbarian You don't get to tell Muslims what they believe.
Tell me - how exactly do you propose banning Islam?
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole let's borrow the idea from Muslims themselves....everyone who identifies as a Muslim will have to pay a "reverse-jizziya" tax of 70% straight. If you want to stop paying it, convert to any other religion of choice, doesn't matter if its voodoo. Your witness in a court of law will not be acceptable if you are a Muslim. Its a long list...over the centuries no one has figured out more creative ways for forced conversion than Muslims....
TheFakeBarbarian 1 year ago
@TheFakeBarbarian Sigh... and you think that's enforceable? Quite apart from the monstrous illiberalism?
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@DLandonCole Not sure about your argument - the "Islamic world" has been shoving Sharia law down infidel throats since 622 AD. I see no reason why we can't return the favor..
You can't fight and defeat monsters without monstrosity. Islam is what it is - fascism multiplied by religious zeal, and it has to be dealt accordingly.
The 1st amendment is NOT an immutable truth. It is a strategy that has its limitations. And fails badly when used to deal with political-religious hybrids like Islam.
TheFakeBarbarian 1 year ago
@TheFakeBarbarian There is no Islamic world. Bloody hell, is it that hard to grasp that you can't organise that many people to agree on anything?
I don't see Islam as a monster, but we beat the Nazis without concentration camps and the Soviets without gulags.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
I AM NOT< NOR WILL I EVER BE SUBJECT TO SHARIA LAW!!! if anyone tries, i PROMISE they have a fight on their hands and they'll lose.
dictionar1 1 year ago
@dictionar1 No-one is going to impose it on you. Calm down.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@dictionar1 i watched "don't be a sucker" and i was especially turned off at the stereotype of the average german citizen being naive rats following a pied piper. the ppl of austria, salzburg and obersalzburg, for example, detested the presence of hitler and the ss guard training there. it showed 3 german men who perished in the fighting. many of the ss guards chose to be captured close to the end of the war, and wound up in our own cia, interestingly enough. just a thought.
dictionar1 1 year ago
How's that getting run over by nasty stinking ragheads working out for you in the UK?
At worse, Ramsey is throwing out empty weasel words to convince voters to vote for him which Islamic sympathizers are twisting. He'd take no role in stopping a mosque being built.
robertmike57 1 year ago
Amazing!
It makes you wonder what century Tennessee lives in.
2bsirius 1 year ago
@2bsirius Well, it'd be nice if Lt Gov Ramsey moved to the twentieth century. The twenty-first is probably asking too much.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
I just watched "Don't be a Sucker." It looks really familiar. I may have seen it before, but it is very powerful and it sums up what I think about rights and freedom.
bryantulsa 1 year ago
Brilliant. Powerful. The Virginia Statute *is* the positive statement about secularism.
bryantulsa 1 year ago
@bryantulsa Yes - although there are a couple of nuances I'd change. The stuff about natural rights coming from a creator and all that.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
This is why i hate where i live. Tennessee is full of them
milktank26 1 year ago
"I value the x amendment of the US constitution" - is usually the prefiguring of ignoring of the principles of that amendment. The most loyal supporters of freedom are often the biggest enemy of freedom.
Mrs Thatcher who used the rhetoric of freedom was one of the most centralising prime ministers in Britain - I suspect that Reagan and other freedom rhetoricians if you analyse their work will be found to be anti-liberty
johncrwarner 1 year ago
A good reading there. Knr911 has a good sum up.
TheBoyFromNorfolk 1 year ago
so this is the clown that wants to burn the Qur'an? I don't think he's that stupid.
Alphamale69 1 year ago
What this overlooks is the fact that Islam is a political dogma masquerading as religious piety. Muslims who are faithful to the teaching of the Quran owe their primary allegiance to Islam not to the infidel societies whither they have emigrated. "Obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them with great endeavour" (Q25.52). The sentiments of the Quran are diametrically opposed to those of Jefferson. You will not easily find churches, synagogues and temples in Saudi Arabia.
MagnusNielsenBewick 1 year ago
I got to one minute on your vid and read the link...ok gotcha.
Ever read Cox & Forkum ?
funny stuff
Curas1 1 year ago
Let me save you the trouble, Mr. Cole.
The republicans would say "You don't know anything about the founding fathers! They were talking about all CHRISTIANS. They didn't mean for that to apply to all religions."
Obvious bullshit, yeh.
Ninjaculation 1 year ago
To sum it up: in a secular society, you are free to believe in any religion, not to fully practice it. we must put restrictions on the practice of the religion, because the "right" to fully practice your religion IS the "right" to enforce it on others and behead those who disagree.
Very good video Landon, powerful quote and fine pwnage.
Bravo!
Knr911 1 year ago
@Knr911
My summation is as follows:
Jefferson outlines, step-by-step, the reasoning behind this Act:
One's beliefs shall not mitigate or enhance in any way one's eligibility for government service.
The Constitution tends to define our liberties from the standpoint of "freedoms from" rather than "thou shalt nots". The "thou shalt nots" are directed primarily at the government itself, not the citizenry.
I'll have to think more on your other well-written comments.
bushonomics 1 year ago
@bushonomics Thanks for this reply and comment. You learned me something in this distinction between the Constitution and the actual government. I'll dig it too.
Knr911 1 year ago
@Knr911
Definitely an interesting conversation :)
bushonomics 1 year ago
@bushonomics @knr911 it's definitely worth reading Jefferson's words - as I say, I disagree with some of it, but it's still bloody good.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@Knr911 Thankyou!
DLandonCole 1 year ago
between the arizona apartheid laws, and this fellow, it seems america is treading a path that makes the BNP/EDL crowd look postively tame. das ist nicht gut.
sic transit gloria mundi....
salro99 1 year ago
@salro99 I think the American far right is a bit more dangerous than that of Britain if for no other reason than there is more popular support.
halberthawkins 1 year ago
@salro99 Not with a bang, but a whimper
DLandonCole 1 year ago
3- This Ron Ramsey guy lives in a society based on christian values, In 2010 After Christ with day off on Sunday and the celebration of Christmas. See my point? Even hardcore atheists say they live in 2010 and enjoy Christmas.
This guy is so USED to live in a society governed by his own standards, he does not realize how much his "culture" enforces everything way beyond the necessary moral compass.
So when confronted with REAL "muticulturalism", he feels it like a threat on his poor paradigm. //
Knr911 1 year ago
2- Namely, religion aka the death of freedom under the pretense of freedom.
No muslim is free to practice his religion in Europe: the full practice of the religion would demand from "Holy days" to mosques preaching the extermination of jews and sharia courts hanging homosexuals. They don't have the "freedom to fully practice" their religion b/c the full practice of ANY religion demands legislative standards. You just can't keep that off the politics.
Knr911 1 year ago
1- Obviously this "statement' fom Ron Ramsey is pretty dumb, but now let's play the devil's advocate, shall we (I love to do that).
This is why separation of church and state, a thing that may seem so obvious and granted for people like "us" (:non-practicing if not atheist), is in fact not so granted, if you consider the actual bigotry of individuals. Basically, one can NOT fully practice his religion in a secular state.
What this guy fears is what he is trying to enforce.
Cont..
Knr911 1 year ago
Sh*%! Landon, to my knowledge UK is -1H from France?
Jeez, I always see you post between 1 and 3 AM.
"Good evening YouTube"...
Hell it's almost not even the night anymore but the morning!
Got insomnia too?
Knr911 1 year ago
@Knr911 I keep strange hours :)
DLandonCole 1 year ago
there is no such thing as an un-american idea.
evilsceptic 1 year ago
@evilsceptic Agreed. I don't like the term, but I felt I was justified in using it here for impact.
DLandonCole 1 year ago
i honestly wanna know, how many people in congress we have like that who are bigoted against islam
rphamning 1 year ago
@rphamning and how many aren't but will happily play to the crowd
DLandonCole 1 year ago
Freedom of religion is for EVERYONE!!! We don't get to pick and choose...if we allow someone in government to discriminate against muslims...who's next?
samala5793 1 year ago 4
@samala5793 First they came for the Jews...
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@samala5793 Pat, hopefully.
Muskateering 2 weeks ago in playlist Pat Condell responses
Hes all about the freedom of his own religion.
AGrimBloodyFable 1 year ago
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salro99 1 year ago
@salro99 You liked my video - yay you!
DLandonCole 1 year ago
@salro99 Sal, I hope you didn't get the wrong idea - you didn't need to remove your comment; I was really pleased that you liked it.
DLandonCole 1 year ago