2009 Bowling Foundation LI Classic: Final Match: Jason Belmonte vs Michael Fagan part 2

[ArcanineisBoSS]

my two favorite bowlers by FAR!!!

[UNiTFk]

the guy at 10:09 wanted to shake hands :'(

[WarriorHorace]

What's the weight of Belmontes ball? The plastic and the other one? Please answer!

[supermonkeyballboy]

@WarriorHorace 15 pounds.

[mrajg55]

belmonte is amzing he may not be the first two handed bowler but he made a bigger impact

[MrPASSDAMAYO]

fucking they give all this belmo credit for being 2 handed, he thinks hes high and mighty for being the first two hander on tour. well hes not, osku palermaa made the tv finals back in 04-05 in the us open or masters(i forget which one) so what he didnt win, he was the first on tour. fuck belmo, he sucks, palermaa is wayy better and classier than this shit

[DrEaMxBoI]

@MrPASSDAMAYO jealous of the rev rate and what he is doing ? At least he won?

[MrPASSDAMAYO]

@DrEaMxBoI im not jealous of it. im glad he won, i was watching him during qualifying all week cus i live on li. but it just pisses me off that he gets the credit for creating this revolution.

[DrEaMxBoI]

@MrPASSDAMAYO i see.. but this year both him and osku has showed the world that bowling is a different game now.. just like how a few years back robert smith changed the game..

[MrPASSDAMAYO]

@DrEaMxBoI word, just that they have to give credit where credit is due, to osku. and belmo is apparently making a worse name of himself, from all these accusations of the bottle thing.

[DrEaMxBoI]

@MrPASSDAMAYO Well, i dont side belmo but i think that the bottle issue is just childish. and i've seen belmo make changes to it by using a plastic bottle that doesnt crickle..

BUT one thing is for sure.. belmo has more 'tools' in him than osku..

[MrPASSDAMAYO]

@DrEaMxBoI yes he does, belmo can play more ways than osku can. but im more of an osku fan than a belmo fan. and hopefully they can bowl each other more often than just the one time last year.

[thedoc56]

belmo is a dbag

[Cspence024]

These commentators are fucking great.

[yourrenee]

belmo's a bad mammal.

[Hammer2Pull]

4:48 i thought he wasnt gonna get a trike butt GOOD JOBB xD

[Guibu2]

Got that baby split!

[bownguyen316]

fagan with a storm patch throwing a brunswick ball on the right lane.

[FancyGapClawhammer]

Guess you gotta do what you gotta do haha.

[ShadowBloodz]

Why does everyone talk about the physical condition of 2 handers? If you're use to it at such an early start, im pretty sure your body can handle it. It matters of how much of in shape you are. I've been bowling like Belmonte for 2 years(i never knew until recently) and I'm still in great shape. I work out all the time, so I'm pretty much use to it.

[GStricke]

Heh, I'm sure Denny's loved Rob Stone raving about Fagan, PA and another guy going to eat at White Castle @ 4 in the morning.

[TheMusicjuice]

"How do you know she's cooking and cleaning?" "Well thats what Fagan told us." "Oh" lol!

[hommyg40]

My mom bowls, she left the 6 - 7 - 10 but she bowls very slow lol

[kboss2011]

belmonte and mike miller are proof you DON'T NEED A THUMB

[emandude]

@kboss2011 if you wanna look like a dumbass, then don't put the thumb in...

[kboss2011]

@emandude, I guess belmonte is a real dumbass... i mean he's only the 2009 rookie of the year, won the LI classic, and has competed in australia, europe, and the US. what a dumbass, right?

[emandude]

@kboss2011 you got it. good job.

[harharhar123]

@kboss2011 ehh belmonte competed in asia too...

[carlorowan]

man, looks like those pins weigh 20 pounds each, they fall so weird

[MIKI2006MIKI]

Other predictions for the PBA Mixed Doubles event:

#2 WALTER RAY WILLIAMS/STEFANIE NATION: Another tough team

#3 CHRIS BARNES/LIZ JOHNSON: They have experience and consistency to put up a challenge.

#4 EUGENE McCUNE/KELLY KULICK: Eugene "Rocket Man" McCune has been inconsistent on television but is exciting to watch. Eugene does well when the lanes break down and he is able to take advantage of his "Missile Ball".

#5 STEVE HARMAN/MISSY BELLINDER: Missy had the "hot" hand in the 2nd round.

[MIKI2006MIKI]

I predict WIN #2 for Belmonte (and Michelle Feldman) in the Don and Paula Carter PBA Mixed Doubles Tournament in Wheatridge, Colorado. Belmonte and Feldman form the Dream Team for mixed doubles. 600 RPM for Belmonte and 350 RPM for Feldman ... Tough to Beat !!

[Reloadnikka]

BELMONTE THE BEAST!

[i3enthebowlerkid]

i leave the 3-4-10 all the time but i am 2 handed

[Sneezlebob]

anyone else see michael fagan hating on Belmonths style at the end

[StFidjnr]

@ 9.59 Belmonte get a strike for a clean game and that is that.

[strongsock]

i think fagan is the new barnes.....choke artist

[truebowlerify]

Watching Belmonster -- that's his new nickname -- got me to try try two handed bowling. I did a hybrid at first, but more and more I even hit my spares two handed. Soon, it will be MeMonster bowling all two-handed also

[bowlingboy1231]

micheal fagan is a great bowler it just seems he gets nervouse on tv

[vanni9283]

Very odd pin reaction at around the 1:00 mark.

[pokemon989359]

ive left a 3-4-10 and my rev rate is like....200rpms.....not even

[vanni9283]

I've left the 3-4-7-10 many times!!

[honkindonkey]

that isn't exactly good....

[vanni9283]

Some of my other odd leaves include the 3-4, the 3-4-7-9, and the 1-2-4-6-8...lol!!!

[pinbuster1993]

belmote is cool i hope we get to see him on tv again next year

[SayrevilleBombers18]

650 revs!!

thats filthy

[darrin686]

hey everyone , come watch my vids and tell me what u think ? i bowl so smilar to belmo . and ive gotten better . BELMO IS SOOOO SICK DUDE

[stormBIGbowling]

guys shut up enjoy bowling it's a game to be enjoyed. no matter what bowling will be on TV for years to come the only problems that would occur if the pba's funding goes down is the TV shows would be similar to how they used to be but with different voices in the background.

[mitzelnation78]

Isn't bowling a game that is won by knocking down more pins than the other guy? I don't care if a guy shot a bowling ball out his butt if he won all of the tournaments. People, get off your high horses and quit whining about what "real bowling" is. Yeah, in league we're supposed to hate all of the "spinner" guys that play down the middle and mess up the oil pattern. No way. People bowl how they want. If they're ruining the equipment, they'll get kicked out. If they average 240, they wont.

[Storm900Global]

I can bowl two handed pretty good, but i dont get how jason and osku get so much speed on the ball. Its incredible.

[nitrotic]

Mainly in the legs, timing, and just lots of practice.

[w6030]

the reason Jason's ball speed is faster than other two hander's is because he straighten his back when release the ball. It's not recommanded because in a long run serious injury can be caused. To bowl two handed, legs and back have to be strong to avoid injuries.

[collin2510]

keeps his baCK STRAIGHT AND HE USES HIS LEGS LIKE A BASBALL PLAYER CROWHOPS TO THROW THE BALL

[wtfdigg]

Osku Palermaa, two-handed player is really really good and he also can play with one hand with pretty much as many revs as with two hands. In German League he recently bowled a 268 game one-handed. He also played WRW in us open telecast when he was 20. IMHO, you have to have talent no matter if you play one or two-handed.

[Tata996]

You're wrong about the talent part. It takes experience alone to bowl two-handed. Not talent. This will be obvious for everyone in the next year or so.

[irishpogi]

Let's see what kind of physical condition Jason finds himself ten years from now., then twenty years from now. You guys remember Mike Miller? He's the first guy to have success using a thumbless delivery. Where is he now? RETIRED! His body couldn't hack tossing the rock without the thumb and he's now 48? It's more fun watching his daughter Adrienne bowl!

[stormBIGbowling]

but i think it is different because mike miller had barely any support bowling no thumb and what really put him out was the elbow pain that came with it and wrist pain but he has the support of the other hand to back up the weight of the ball

[nitrotic]

I've been bowling 2 handed for well over 14 years and have not experienced any problems with my body or aches which everyone is thinking you will experience by bowling 2 handed. Just like any sport, as long as you stay in shape and stay in good health, you will lower any risk of further injury.

[royplayer]

Good point Nitrotic. Physical conditioning is a key part in being able to compete as you get older. A number of years ago I decided to loosen up my arm swing, keep my knees in shape and try to bowl in as many sport or PBA leagues that I can. Right now at 60 years of age I average in the 220's on typical house shots and in the low 200's on sport shots. this is not impressive for a younger bowler but I feel it is for someone my age.

[harharhar123]

maybe... haha but take note belmonte started this two handed thingy from young, so for now he shldn't be facing much problems.

of course, i wldn't be surprised if ten years later we see belmonte with back/other torso problems. i started playing 2 hands and stopped when i was hit with a hand muscle injury. but i do rmb when i was playing 2 hands, i had lower back strains and shoulder pains occasionally.

[bownguyen316]

@irishpogi true. but mike miller didn't use his other hand to help guide the ball down. he basically curled the ball down with his bicep and forearm muscle..

[i3enthebowlerkid]

wow you are one dumb mother fucker. it doesnt take talent to bowl with two hands??? how the fuck can you say that? the two handed delivery takes more talent to master then the one hand i do believe. yes cuase of all the revs it would not be hard for some one with no experience to roll a 200 on a house shot with two hands but it makes it harder to bowl on the tuff stuff. you r a fucking idiot. you obviously dont know shit so why the fuck r you even talking? just keep ur goddamn mouth shut! BITCH

[spiffylbc85]

That high rev rate Belmonte got is just AMAZING!!!!....got all the little kids and future bowlers doing it now.....

But just like basketball, baseball, etc., its great for another sport to open up to different styles and welcome new talent....

I am a weekly bowler and seeing a couple of people in my league use this style still catches me by surprise with their accuracy and knowledge of lane patterns.....

[Tata996]

If its this type of thing that keeps bowling alive, I say let it die.

[i3enthebowlerkid]

wow fuck you!! you r a fucking cock sucker go fucking kill your self or come to NY and ill do it for you

[BowlerScott]

This lack of self control will be your downfall.

[waitdied]

lame person =/

[titan2244]

thats right, he did 8-10 on cheetah, my mistake

[titan2244]

agree, he can bowl weather you like or hate the guy

and maybe walter ray should of bowled with 2 hands on shark, might not of left the 8-10 then lol

[shawngjr]

walter got the 8-10 on the cheeta pattern

[stillrob420]

the guy can bowl, bottom line

[Tata996]

Let's see how he bowls with one hand- a real skill. His presence in the game is proof of the game being in the gutter.

[crashbandit900]

a real skill thats y every one pretty much bowls one handed it really difficult to use 2 hands

[Tata996]

So difficult that little kids do it.

Btw, I don't hate the guy personally, that would be wrong, but I am against bizarre forms of bowling on the Pro level. I'm really losing interest in bowling in general with the way things are now. I miss the days when bowling was in its glory days in the 60's, 70's and early 80's- not on steroids like it is now with everything so synthetic and tweaked.

[royplayer]

I totally agree with you Tata. Bowling on the amateur level is a total joke. Don't have technique? no problem; buy a hook in a box. Who needs accuracy when these balls explode the pins. Also it is easy to average 220 when the middle to outside oil ratio is 20 to 1 on most house shots. These conditions encourage palmers, two handers and crankers without any technique. Yes bowling is a joke and the USBC is to blame for letting things get out of hand.

[i3enthebowlerkid]

bet you cant average 220 any where even after all the shit you talked. The reason house shots r so easy is cause faggots like you wouldnt want to bowl if they could only average 120

[royplayer]

Wow, you are a angry young man. I bet you are from New York. I am from Boston and if it is one thing I know about New Yorkers is that they don't like to debate about things; they just want to kill you.

[royplayer]

My bad. Not all New Yorkers are like that. I guess you got what you wanted; you pissed me off to the point where now I am being irrational.. Please young man, grow up.

[i3enthebowlerkid]

you want me to not say stuff dont talk shit about two handers. and yes i would like to fucking kill you

[royplayer]

Two things young man; for one I never talked trash about two handers, you need to look at the posts again before you accuse. Secondly, grow up. You are making a ass of yourself on Youtube.

[Tata996]

I would never consider doing something so utterly ridiculous. I have more respect for the guy that bowls backwards rather than two-handed circus freak-show bowling.. They didn't tolerate this bullshit when bowling was in its prime. Now its in the gutter and anything goes.

[Tata996]

Bowling is in its final death throes. Soon every monkey and its brother will be bowling two-handed and then how special will be your poster boy be? Not too far from now everyone will be throwing high 200's every game. What does that tell you? That the game is doomed...ruined. But simple-minded guys like you and the "gentlemen" who run organized bowling simply lack the foresight to see this. But guess what? It will be much too late once this realization dawns on them.

[Tata996]

The prevention is crystal clear. Reintroduce higher standards to the game and disallow any further auxiliary methods beyond reactive cores. So what's next in the bastardization of the game? Repositioning the center of mass in pins? Dumping the frictional coefficient of the pin table? Raising the channel height? Increase the deflectivity of baseboards?Shorten lane length? We who love the more pure form of the sport need to bring bowling back to its roots before it reaches its ultimate demise.

[Curtie555]

You see! Now we are getting somewhere. Expressing opinions on what you think might fix the game is a lot better than nagging on a technique which doesn't hurt the game; at least for where bowling is at today.

[uberbcs]

I'd say bowling has made progress with the introduction of sport bowling. It's just that people are not willing to move away from traditional aka 'flood of oil in the middle' bowling.

[Tata996]

Hi Uberbcs- It can be interpreted as"progress", but in reality it has only been dumbed down, imo. Bowling used to be exciting, serious, and intense, but now its composed of a bunch of redneck clowns horsing around. The decline of the sport specifically has allowed for all the BS and nonserious behavior that is now pervasive..

[Sneezlebob]

Dumbest comment I've seen in a while

[royplayer]

Tata, if you make things more difficult in bowling the typical house bowler will not want to bowl because they cannot put up the big scores. It is tough putting together sport or PBA leagues because most of your so-called 200 average bowlers do not want to participate. The USBC is in a quandary; how do they make the sport more competitive while increasing it's popularity.

[collin2510]

bowling been around since the egyptians and it will be around for years to come

[Tata996]

Except it won't be called bowling anymore.

[collin2510]

Im pretty sure itll be called bowling

What would you call it throwing balls at pins

[Tata996]

In its current and future form, LOL-ing

[royplayer]

Tata996, the game was doomed when the USBC, formally the ABC decided to allow reactive bowling balls into the sport. You combine this with your typical house shot with its dry outside and heavy oil in the middle and even 10 year kids are walking around wearing 300 rings.

[collin2510]

they tolerated it do u rememberr mike miller the 2 fingered bowler

[NGC500]

Robert Smith impresses me more than belmonte by far. Robert smith has the same power, maybe more, and he only uses one hand.

[JustHereForBowling]

right on dude!

[thiswilldoblue]

Excellent uploads of Belmo. Belmo is not scared of anyone.

[collin2510]

That was one of your best one of your best, one of your bests

[darrin686]

belmo is so dope, everyone says i bowl so similar too him.

if all you can do me a favor and watch my 4 videos and comment them please.

[underpressureUP]

Darrin, the only thing that's similar is that you both throw with two hands. Sorry, but until you can stand and play 250 average it's like saying that I bowl similar to Walter Ray since we both use one hand;)

[NYDanno85]

The other thing I might note for the Belmo-haters... Walter Ray's dabbling in two handed bowling, too.

Who knows? You might see him bowling that way on a Shark Championship one of these days. :)

[Mats300]

Have you same achievements than Belmo ?

[BigFatBlackMan]

thanks for the video

[tenpin477]

didn't mean to rate so low, definately 5 stars

[powerbowler]

Thanks for the video. Excellent!

[Pbafan1212]

Many thanks for posting !!!!

[Vulture629]

Bel-badass.

[TranswarpXL]

What's a better nickname; Beast-monte or Bel-Money?

[Rofe110s21]

The Full-Monte?

[collin2510]

Bel-Money

[JMIK123]

I love Belmonte's emotion. He's worked so hard for this and finaly he'll shut people up that say he can't win.

[vashtheowner]

Belmonte is so sick. Look at all those revs and look how hard/fast he throws it. So amazing.

[vutnukka]

fuckin revs at .58

[mrtvmankiller01]

do you by any chance have the interview after this mtach?