@KillaPillaP actually in forza 4 stock 2.0L cars sound like they have a v6 with a straight pipe... which i doubt you know based on your comment "realistic"
@KillaPillaP not really? dude have heard how top gear's "reasonably priced car" sound? now i'm positive that you dont know a thing about cars... GT5 is supposed to be a "simulation" look it up. Forza is just an arcade game. I think sales speak for them selves, despite the despert attempt the overthrow GT as the prime driving game
@alamrisa Look, i know it is a simulator, but even GTR 2 owns GT 5 (yes, it does)
At least they could've fixed the Vacuum Cleaner sounds.
In my opinion, Forza 4 is ahead of all games in sounds, we were talking about sounds, remember? We were NOT talking about sales, nor did we talk about which one is an arcade racer or not, don't try to change the topic.
I tell you, if GT 5 had the same sounds as Forza 4, I'd go and act like a GT5 fanboy in EVERY FORZA VIDEO, until i get tired and die.
@KillaPillaP GTR2... hmm u know what. you're absolutely right. it's my fault for trying to argue about cars with someone who likes forza... go drift your way through the whole track doing 120mph+ :]
@KillaPillaP r u saying there will be a gt5 update that will make the sounds better? a lot of the idle car sounds sound really good in gt5 but when they rev up they all sound kinda crazy
@KillaPillaP So you think GT5 sucks because its sounds are weaker than FORZA 4?
Not even FORZA 4 is that perfect.
Try playing Rfactor with its mods and you'll see what our loved console games should sound like. On the other hand Rfactor doesn't look like GT5 or F4. Every game has its pros and cons... The key is to learn to love the pros.
i swear to god forza and gt5 both have opposite sounds, but their both shit gt's is low powered and is like a vaccumn cleaner, but every car in forza sounds like a racing car when its basicly a hatch, same with the damage, gt5's is so low you can come out of a 7 roll barel roll, with just a scratch and a dent, but in forza when you lightly crash a car from the front, some how the back is fucked up.
the high rpms in gt5 sound really good but idles just suck really Forza and gt5 have it switched forza 4's high rpm sounds are to high pitched for most of the muscle cars but idles are killer. In gt5 the Idles suck but High rpms are beastly
@zanrath12345 I actually think the opposite. The idles in GT5 are great, while the sound is too high pitched... How the fuck a challenger racecar with a 7 litre V8 and OPEN exhaust sounds like a high pitched vacuum cleaner at 6000rpm?
Still, specially in American V8 powered race cars, like the chaparrals or the Ford GT40's the sound is great.
@TonyDJ86 Forza's representation is still much more accurate to the real car. If you have not seen this yet type in Forza 3 - Hondas (game vs real sounds) in the search bar. Have you bothered comparing forza's to real life? its surprisingly close. Nothing is exaggerated imo, games such as grid and dirt have a very raw sound or as you say it sound like racing cars.
@basslover352 what he is saying, in real life, cars sound different from the interior, and exterior. when your in the seat of a car, it shouldn't sound like if your ear is next to the exhaust.
@TonyDJ86 they dont sound anything like race cars unless you do them up like one, besides turn 10 recorded the sound of each and every car individually for the in-game car
@TonyDJ86 Forza 4's stock exhaust sounds are a bit louder than what they should be, but the cars do not sound the same in cockpit and outside of the car. They will only sound the same inside and out if you have done full race weight reduction. Which is a nice little touch of realism since the description for that modification says you are stripping out sound deadening material. It's also a first in the Forza series, 1-3 didn't feature that.
@gbales84 In GT5 switching between cameras changes the sound. Even looking back changes it. 90% of the cars sound like vacuum cleaners though, i have to keep my poor challenger SRT8 with the stock exhaust (which has nothing to do with a real one's but is still "decent") because it'll sound like an open exhaust civic if i upgrade it.
@TonyDJ86 yes there are difference, everycar sounds a little bit harder when you tune the exhaust, every car sounds like a 'racing car' when you pull it to the limit, the BMW E30 with 110hp sounds like one when i hit the gas and push it to the limit. i fucking loved GT sinde GT2 but since 5 month i know Forza, and forza IS BETTER , really everyone who says something else is a fanboy, i got both games here.. GT5 for sale, who wants it?
@Scanon66 ''i know Forza, and forza IS BETTER , really everyone who says something else is a fanboy, i got both games here..'' Hahahaha :D Thanks for the laughs man. You're the biggest fanboy here not accepting other peoples opinions. While you said that, someone other said ''I have both games and GT5 is better'' so your argument is a invalid as that. If you keep that attitude, then go **** yourself.
@TonyDJ86 I didn't refer to you lol. I meant in general you can't say that the game X is definitely better than the game Z. Because it is all about personal preference.
@KingSams0n And you speak about STOCK vehicles, you EVER heard a STOCK Mopar engine with STOCK exhaust system ? I have driven 440 Hemi Charger during summer and man it does sound like in GT5, main difference comes from YOUR own speakers, if you dont have DTS 7.1 system, you cant notify everything GT5 has in sounds.
@KingSams0n Sorry, got mixed with Hemi Bee and 440, ment 440 R/T Charger, my apologies.
But, honestly, these sounds are accurate as possible, but the FACT is that these are DIGITAL sounds we've talking here about, can you even imagine how much hardware it would need to create the actual sound of an car ? Nothing can recreate the sound as the way we hear it in real world, or can you really claim that LIVE concert does sound just like from album ?
@Sampyla20plus The developers of the newer NfS games did it too, so why didn't Polyphony?
Of course it's a hell of a lot work , but comon, every other car game has better sounds than all the GT games...I mean, if a small company like Simbin (at least in 2004 or what) can produce such realistic sounds for their games (GTR and GTL especially), so why not Polyphony?they dont have to make it EXACTLY like in RL, but some more acceptable ones are mandatory in a simulation!
@KingSams0n I can come up with a simple answer, GT5 has tons more cars than any of those games you mentioned, does it mean anything ? For me, it does, a hell of a lot more.
But, I've driven 77 cars in real life that are in GT5 and they sound pretty much as they should, with proper soundset, but some sounds are still missing in GT5, gear changing and such but I dont complain when the rest is well made. One more thing, how much Bass you think an V8 Musle car has ? 0-10 ratio...
@Sampyla20plus Dude, I won't give you an answer to the Bass question, because this discussion leads to nothing.You get carried away into little details, won't help here.
Fact is, the GT5 sounds suck cocks and that's the opinion of the most people playing it.Sounds always sucked. It's stupid, it's annoying, but thats Gran Turismo.
I won't stop playing the game because of it, I just think the devs. should focus ALOT more onto that part if they want to call their game simulation.
@KingSams0n You cant answe on slight detail which is important, lets think about it...
Group records some sounds from actual cars, then upload those sound as files on the computer, where these will be processed and eventually coded into the game, but in the end, it wont ever sound the way we hear it in outside world, why, because our ears are way too complicated for any hardware to handle it properly, so the question is, how can WE help these sounds sound better ?
@Hallelujahkay listen to the ruf video you made then listen to the ferrari f40 one staight after, the cars sound nearly identical, in real life those two cars sound completly different.
if my car sounded like tht id think it was a transformer tooooooo robotic.but whatever if u guys like it goo ahead i still think forza even nfs sounds better
@McChief1993 This is realistic. The sounds are recorded from inside the car, i don't think you could hear the outside engine noises from the driver seat, wont you?
@lifethelifetoday iyea but theres like this wierd robotic sound too it at high revs... if uve playd sega gt 2002 on xbox they sound kinda like that and that game is old af
@McChief1993 Forza doesn't really have realistic sounds. If you payed attention, you'd note that the sounds on Forza are the same generic, pumped-up sounds like the ones in the movies. Better? Maybe. Realistic? Not so much.
wtf!?! thats no charger!! -_-
TheStratoMaster77 1 day ago
ha ! i love how it burned with only one wheel. First time on computer games you can actually tell which car so no lsd just by starting it. So cool.
MakuthePOtHead 1 week ago
Nice graphic btw. /ironic off.
Scanon66 2 weeks ago
GT5 engine sounds are TERRIBLE!
mattcat234 3 weeks ago
its the mothership!
MRCOOL2345e 1 month ago
One thing I cant understand, why does these car sounds videos have upgraded exhaust systems anyways ? Sounds way better with stock exhausts... geesh
Sampyla20plus 1 month ago
GT 5 got better idle sounds.
Forza 4 got overall better and more realistic sound.
Forzas tuned cars sound good, GT5's tuned cars sound like vacuum cleaners.
Not a Forza Fanboy, but GT 5 sucks.
KillaPillaP 1 month ago
@KillaPillaP in general I prefer GT5
TonyDJ86 1 month ago
@TonyDJ86 And that is what i don't understand. Sounds like a Civic.
KillaPillaP 1 month ago
@KillaPillaP actually in forza 4 stock 2.0L cars sound like they have a v6 with a straight pipe... which i doubt you know based on your comment "realistic"
alamrisa 3 weeks ago
@alamrisa Nah not really mate but nice try.
Even IF it would be like that, i'd rather have them, than GT 5's Vacuum cleaners.
KillaPillaP 3 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP not really? dude have heard how top gear's "reasonably priced car" sound? now i'm positive that you dont know a thing about cars... GT5 is supposed to be a "simulation" look it up. Forza is just an arcade game. I think sales speak for them selves, despite the despert attempt the overthrow GT as the prime driving game
alamrisa 3 weeks ago
@alamrisa Look, i know it is a simulator, but even GTR 2 owns GT 5 (yes, it does)
At least they could've fixed the Vacuum Cleaner sounds.
In my opinion, Forza 4 is ahead of all games in sounds, we were talking about sounds, remember? We were NOT talking about sales, nor did we talk about which one is an arcade racer or not, don't try to change the topic.
I tell you, if GT 5 had the same sounds as Forza 4, I'd go and act like a GT5 fanboy in EVERY FORZA VIDEO, until i get tired and die.
KillaPillaP 3 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP GTR2... hmm u know what. you're absolutely right. it's my fault for trying to argue about cars with someone who likes forza... go drift your way through the whole track doing 120mph+ :]
alamrisa 3 weeks ago
@alamrisa first off, you cannot drift with 120 mph around corners in forza
second, what's wrong with GTR2? Do you even know what it is?
I like Forza, i like Gran Turismo 5, i NEVER ever said GT5 is absolute shit, i just said i wouldn't enjoy playing with vacuum cleaners.
I also said, IF Gran Turismo had the sounds from Forza (which are the most advanced in GAMES) i'd buy a PS3 only for that.
The problem is : You can't argue right, you have no arguments.
KillaPillaP 3 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP i agree except for the last part
stonecoldtrk 3 weeks ago
@stonecoldtrk Well i bought it.
I do not have Forza 4, i decided for PS3 and GT5
Why? Spec 2.02b (is that right?) should bring RACING SOUNDS.
Only reason :)
GT 5 wins overall, it's just its sounds.
KillaPillaP 3 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP r u saying there will be a gt5 update that will make the sounds better? a lot of the idle car sounds sound really good in gt5 but when they rev up they all sound kinda crazy
stonecoldtrk 3 weeks ago
@stonecoldtrk They said so.. Improved racing sounds, but i don't think they're gonna record cars, only improve them..
But maybe somewhen in the future like in 3 years they will have all sounds fixed :P
KillaPillaP 3 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP u are wrong because GT and Forza are two totally different games so don't compare them!
Hamisxa 3 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP So you think GT5 sucks because its sounds are weaker than FORZA 4?
Not even FORZA 4 is that perfect.
Try playing Rfactor with its mods and you'll see what our loved console games should sound like. On the other hand Rfactor doesn't look like GT5 or F4. Every game has its pros and cons... The key is to learn to love the pros.
harumatsu 2 weeks ago
@harumatsu I have rFactor, and have to admit, I've never seen a shit-pile as worse as rFactor. I'd rather play Need for speed underground 1.
KillaPillaP 2 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP NFSU1??? O.o then you can not talk!
TonyDJ86 2 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP Your opinion, I respect that. :D
harumatsu 2 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP Forza 4 is arcade. GT5 is Simulator.
NoFearForBullets 2 weeks ago
@NoFearForBullets None of both are real simulators, they both are great. Enough now..
KillaPillaP 2 weeks ago
@KillaPillaP Really?
NoFearForBullets 1 week ago
GT sounds kinda bad. Forza sounds good on all the cars so far in all rpm ranges.
borderlineartistic 1 month ago
Idleing sounds in GT (at least from the V8`s) are better than Forza, but as soon as the engines rev up all the GT sounds seem to high pitched.
Menti83 1 month ago
that was a mean ass take off.
TheTeenageMuffin 1 month ago
PSP SOUNDS IN GT5
marcw680 1 month ago
Do a video of the 2004 GTO, from what I've heard in another video that one actually sounded pretty good.
gbales84 1 month ago
i swear to god forza and gt5 both have opposite sounds, but their both shit gt's is low powered and is like a vaccumn cleaner, but every car in forza sounds like a racing car when its basicly a hatch, same with the damage, gt5's is so low you can come out of a 7 roll barel roll, with just a scratch and a dent, but in forza when you lightly crash a car from the front, some how the back is fucked up.
sjFALCONPUNCH01 1 month ago
Wow, not bad!
joeyisfunny 1 month ago
the high rpms in gt5 sound really good but idles just suck really Forza and gt5 have it switched forza 4's high rpm sounds are to high pitched for most of the muscle cars but idles are killer. In gt5 the Idles suck but High rpms are beastly
zanrath12345 1 month ago
@zanrath12345 I actually think the opposite. The idles in GT5 are great, while the sound is too high pitched... How the fuck a challenger racecar with a 7 litre V8 and OPEN exhaust sounds like a high pitched vacuum cleaner at 6000rpm?
Still, specially in American V8 powered race cars, like the chaparrals or the Ford GT40's the sound is great.
machone7I 1 month ago
the car doesn't even shake when pressing gas
MrBryan199511 2 months ago
Are you guys deaf? Maybe. Oh, sorry....sounds like ass.
paddoww 3 months ago
sounds like a chopper at 0:29, rofl.
LilProveInn 3 months ago
O_O
Nivaldonl 4 months ago
hmmm sounds like Gt5 can't into american cars, only skyrines
MrDkmrules 4 months ago 2
This sounds not like a V8. The sounds of american cars is not so good in this game :(
Blinkers93 4 months ago
sounds like an inline six...sounds were never the strength of polyphony.
KingSams0n 4 months ago 19
@KingSams0n ok, but FM4 all sound as if they were racing cars. . . and there is no difference between inside and holes in the car
TonyDJ86 4 months ago
@TonyDJ86 I don't know Forza, as I am a fan of the Gran Turismo franchise, but nevertheless, good sounds were never their strength.
If I want to have great ingame sounds, I play GT Legends!
KingSams0n 4 months ago
@TonyDJ86 Forza's representation is still much more accurate to the real car. If you have not seen this yet type in Forza 3 - Hondas (game vs real sounds) in the search bar. Have you bothered comparing forza's to real life? its surprisingly close. Nothing is exaggerated imo, games such as grid and dirt have a very raw sound or as you say it sound like racing cars.
basslover352 4 months ago
@basslover352 what he is saying, in real life, cars sound different from the interior, and exterior. when your in the seat of a car, it shouldn't sound like if your ear is next to the exhaust.
DanKam92 3 months ago
@DanKam92 yea at least it sounds real. while gt5 90% cars dont.
basslover352 3 months ago
@TonyDJ86 lol he didn't even say anything about forza 4 you fanboy...
GuitarGasmProduction 4 months ago
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@TonyDJ86 no difference between inside and holes in the car what do you mean
andrewjones1977 3 months ago
@TonyDJ86 they dont sound anything like race cars unless you do them up like one, besides turn 10 recorded the sound of each and every car individually for the in-game car
Daytona426x 2 months ago
@TonyDJ86 Forza 4's stock exhaust sounds are a bit louder than what they should be, but the cars do not sound the same in cockpit and outside of the car. They will only sound the same inside and out if you have done full race weight reduction. Which is a nice little touch of realism since the description for that modification says you are stripping out sound deadening material. It's also a first in the Forza series, 1-3 didn't feature that.
gbales84 2 months ago
@gbales84 In GT5 switching between cameras changes the sound. Even looking back changes it. 90% of the cars sound like vacuum cleaners though, i have to keep my poor challenger SRT8 with the stock exhaust (which has nothing to do with a real one's but is still "decent") because it'll sound like an open exhaust civic if i upgrade it.
machone7I 1 month ago
@TonyDJ86 you probably never played forza 4 then come back when you played it!
oh and btw gt5 sounds suck hard
nicktexel 1 month ago
@nicktexel Bad sound is better than not sound at all. And btw. It's not really that bad :D
MrUppmas 1 month ago
@TonyDJ86 yes there are difference, everycar sounds a little bit harder when you tune the exhaust, every car sounds like a 'racing car' when you pull it to the limit, the BMW E30 with 110hp sounds like one when i hit the gas and push it to the limit. i fucking loved GT sinde GT2 but since 5 month i know Forza, and forza IS BETTER , really everyone who says something else is a fanboy, i got both games here.. GT5 for sale, who wants it?
Scanon66 2 weeks ago
@Scanon66 ''i know Forza, and forza IS BETTER , really everyone who says something else is a fanboy, i got both games here..'' Hahahaha :D Thanks for the laughs man. You're the biggest fanboy here not accepting other peoples opinions. While you said that, someone other said ''I have both games and GT5 is better'' so your argument is a invalid as that. If you keep that attitude, then go **** yourself.
MrUppmas 2 weeks ago
@MrUppmas To say that a game is better than another is fanboy!
I never said that GT5 is better than FM4.
There are things that FM4 did not, however there has GT5. But the opposite.
The fan boy you are!
TonyDJ86 2 weeks ago
@TonyDJ86 I didn't refer to you lol. I meant in general you can't say that the game X is definitely better than the game Z. Because it is all about personal preference.
MrUppmas 2 weeks ago
@MrUppmas is exactly what I meant =)
TonyDJ86 2 weeks ago
@MrUppmas that is my opinion, i know everyone got his own opinion, but really.. forza is better. :')
Scanon66 2 weeks ago
@Scanon66 It is not better, because the definition of a better game is just an opinion.
MrUppmas 2 weeks ago
@KingSams0n maybe more like a v12 :D
wurzelsepp678 4 months ago
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Bourougne 4 months ago
@KingSams0n Vacuum cleaners, keep your answer or comment short
wsncfiobqif 2 months ago
@KingSams0n he put on the racing titanium exhast...which sounds horrid, the stock and sports exhaust sound much better.. stock sounds Very nice.
smoldingCarcus 2 months ago
@KingSams0n Bcoz its tuned and is a higher revving v8.
yz2504eva 1 month ago
@yz2504eva Dude, that doesn't justify this terrible engine sound.
Never seen a Race Hemi or even a normal Mopar V8 rev?
I mean, watch some YT-videos about hemi cars accelerating and you will understand that this GT5 sound is whack!
KingSams0n 1 month ago
@KingSams0n And you speak about STOCK vehicles, you EVER heard a STOCK Mopar engine with STOCK exhaust system ? I have driven 440 Hemi Charger during summer and man it does sound like in GT5, main difference comes from YOUR own speakers, if you dont have DTS 7.1 system, you cant notify everything GT5 has in sounds.
Sampyla20plus 1 month ago
@Sampyla20plus First off, there is no 440 Hemi Charger dude, get your facts right.
2nd, of course I know what an original big block mopar can sound like, but honestly, it's nothing like depicted in GT5.
One of ym friends has a stock 383 Challenger, that car does sound like some fishing boat when idling but it's miles away from the GT5 sounds dude.
KingSams0n 1 month ago
@KingSams0n Sorry, got mixed with Hemi Bee and 440, ment 440 R/T Charger, my apologies.
But, honestly, these sounds are accurate as possible, but the FACT is that these are DIGITAL sounds we've talking here about, can you even imagine how much hardware it would need to create the actual sound of an car ? Nothing can recreate the sound as the way we hear it in real world, or can you really claim that LIVE concert does sound just like from album ?
Sampyla20plus 1 month ago
@Sampyla20plus The developers of the newer NfS games did it too, so why didn't Polyphony?
Of course it's a hell of a lot work , but comon, every other car game has better sounds than all the GT games...I mean, if a small company like Simbin (at least in 2004 or what) can produce such realistic sounds for their games (GTR and GTL especially), so why not Polyphony?they dont have to make it EXACTLY like in RL, but some more acceptable ones are mandatory in a simulation!
KingSams0n 1 month ago
@KingSams0n I can come up with a simple answer, GT5 has tons more cars than any of those games you mentioned, does it mean anything ? For me, it does, a hell of a lot more.
But, I've driven 77 cars in real life that are in GT5 and they sound pretty much as they should, with proper soundset, but some sounds are still missing in GT5, gear changing and such but I dont complain when the rest is well made. One more thing, how much Bass you think an V8 Musle car has ? 0-10 ratio...
Sampyla20plus 1 month ago
@Sampyla20plus Dude, I won't give you an answer to the Bass question, because this discussion leads to nothing.You get carried away into little details, won't help here.
Fact is, the GT5 sounds suck cocks and that's the opinion of the most people playing it.Sounds always sucked. It's stupid, it's annoying, but thats Gran Turismo.
I won't stop playing the game because of it, I just think the devs. should focus ALOT more onto that part if they want to call their game simulation.
KingSams0n 1 month ago
@KingSams0n You cant answe on slight detail which is important, lets think about it...
Group records some sounds from actual cars, then upload those sound as files on the computer, where these will be processed and eventually coded into the game, but in the end, it wont ever sound the way we hear it in outside world, why, because our ears are way too complicated for any hardware to handle it properly, so the question is, how can WE help these sounds sound better ?
Sampyla20plus 1 month ago
worst sounding v8 I have ever heard in a game. Only thing that sounds ok is the idle
basslover352 5 months ago
@Hallelujahkay listen to the ruf video you made then listen to the ferrari f40 one staight after, the cars sound nearly identical, in real life those two cars sound completly different.
82coxy 5 months ago
I didn't know those were 2 stroke engines !!!!
triggadigga 5 months ago
@triggadigga but what2 stroke engines? -.- '
TonyDJ86 5 months ago
@TonyDJ86 2 stroke engine are lawn mower engine or sometime atv or dirtbike
davemidnightclub 5 months ago
@triggadigga but what2 stroke engines? -.- '
TonyDJ86 5 months ago
@triggadigga this sounds nothing like a 2 stroke?!
TheCrazymook 4 months ago
@TheCrazymook doesn't sound like a dodge either
triggadigga 4 months ago
nice sounds :)
aerrrrriiiiiiii99 5 months ago
it sounds like a import from mexico/trust i know what a charger sounds like
A3IOWN3DU 5 months ago
I think its better if u record the sound bfore and after costumizing
cool videos btw 10/10
xXSkinnyMeXx 5 months ago
if my car sounded like tht id think it was a transformer tooooooo robotic.but whatever if u guys like it goo ahead i still think forza even nfs sounds better
McChief1993 6 months ago
@McChief1993 forza does., but nfs has nothing realistic at all, even shift 2 is a complete fail
omar53333 6 months ago
@omar53333 are okay !
TonyDJ86 6 months ago
i mean gt5 can do waaay better than this fucking sound.... they should get realistic sounds well a little more realistic like forza 3
McChief1993 6 months ago
@McChief1993 This is realistic. The sounds are recorded from inside the car, i don't think you could hear the outside engine noises from the driver seat, wont you?
lifethelifetoday 6 months ago
@lifethelifetoday iyea but theres like this wierd robotic sound too it at high revs... if uve playd sega gt 2002 on xbox they sound kinda like that and that game is old af
McChief1993 6 months ago
@lifethelifetoday gt5 made there car sounds on a computer, they did'nt record proper cars.
82coxy 5 months ago 6
@McChief1993 Forza doesn't really have realistic sounds. If you payed attention, you'd note that the sounds on Forza are the same generic, pumped-up sounds like the ones in the movies. Better? Maybe. Realistic? Not so much.
jm96mx 6 months ago
it sounds fucking retarded
McChief1993 6 months ago
@McChief1993 What ???
TonyDJ86 6 months ago 11
@TonyDJ86 What he means to say is.. "ooohhhmg.. i need some new pants." Or at least that's what I think he meant.
lesterismyname 6 months ago
@TonyDJ86 I think that dude's fucking retarded...
Cellwelder 5 months ago
@McChief1993 you sir are very wrong...
ProJectGamingStudio 4 months ago
well, it's not a posi rear end
DanKam92 6 months ago 7
@DanKam92 mopars dont have posi. goodcall
hottrodmike 2 months ago
I thinke mine sounds better...
bere5de 6 months ago
i just love those old school v8 sounds
ovidone1 8 months ago
@ovidone1 fuckin sexy, aren't they!
RTSRAZORBACK 6 months ago