I think Kent Hovind believs in micro evolution, what this video was all about. This video was about trial and error and learning from it. What you should proof is how species turn from one to another. I believe in evolution, but we all should learn more about it. Know its true, dont guess.
you say that evolution is a recently new theroy, wich is wrong. James Hutton wrote the book "theory of the earth" in 1795 wich stated that the earth was much older than people think. then Charles lyell wrote the book "Principals of Geology" in the 1800s and his intentions were clear since in his book he wrote that he wanted to "to free science from Moses". people had the chance to become evolutionists.
btw. Adabting is not evolution. it only uses information that already exists and does not add.
It's so funny how Evolutionists has to use all these machines, computers, chemicals and science labs to try to recreate life or develop a theory on how we got here. All GOD has to do his open his mouth! Genesis chapter 1 "and God said let there be light" and there it was and it's still here! He makes them look like fools.
I *sincerely* urge all non-believers to Google & watch: KentHovind_Part1_HowOldIsTheEarth KentHovind_Part2_TheGardenOfEden KentHovind_Part3_DinosaursAndTheBible KentHovind_Part4_LiesInTheTextbooks KentHovind_Part5a_TheDangersOfEvolution KentHovind_Part5b_TheDangersOfEvolution KentHovind_Part6_TheHovindTheory KentHovind_Part7a_QuestionsAndAnswers KentHovind_Part7b_QuestionsAndAnswers If they are TRULY open to opinions OTHER than evolution, dedicated 17+ hrs to watching ALL these, then reply.
@unlokia Why does Kent Hovind talk about Ceolacanth as if it's one animal? He is either being dishonest about his research, or he has incomplete research.
Most of Dr. Hovind's material is deliberately engineered propaganda with massive gaps in the data, like Creationisms Ceolacanth myth.
Hovind is a great entertainer and natural comedian, but intellectually honest he is not.
Funny how evolutionists and atheists have to sit around wasting their entire life, desperately (and very often, aggressively) "proving" they are "right", when Christians simply know the truth, and you'll find they're generally MUCH MUCH less anxious to force their views in your face, or fervently battle to prove the non-believers as wrong.
God's truth brings true peace, which we have no need to *prove*. If you ask, we'll tell you, but God still loves you. See the difference?
@unlokia Believing that there is a god who created the world is one thing but that there would one that makes a book stating what we can and cannot do is really annoying, especially if we like doing some of those things that he doesnt allow. I wanna live my life with my rules, not somebody elses. If god is so mighty and good then why does he create people who have so called evil intensions? Thats not good, neither is pain and yet we have plenty of that.
@unlokia If all Christians "Know" the truth, why do they sit around all day finding atheists to refute? Why does Kevin Hovind stand around making a mockery of the sciences (And I mean all sciences). I was forced to watch all the Hovind bullshit through youth group, then, I discovered REAL science, and it all makes more sense and is way more beautiful then a creator. Now I'm a proud student of Anthropology with a minor in Biology. I'm a proud atheist, because I use evidence, not faith.
@unlokia The irony of this is I just came back from a walk in downtown Toronto where there were 6 (5 give or take) different religious groups with speakers and microphones/megaphones preaching. I don't really know what forcing would mean, but man, was it noisy.
@unlokia Did you just say that Christians are less likely to force their views on a person than atheists? I just made a video that YOU chose to watch. I did not come to your house on a Saturday morning with a bunch of pamphlets.
I'm sure you'll find that Kent Hovind really doesn't care who thinks they "PWND" him, because he loves God, creation is truth, and some day you'll ALL face God, and become believers.
There's no point in wasting time refuting the pathologically lying criminal Kent Hovind. He's so full of crap, with an uneducated and completely biased mind, that he needs to be simply dismissed.
@ChipArgyle im not taking sides here, i have no stock in either side of whatever you are talking about but id like to point out that you just said that someone is bias and should be dismissed.....isnt that closed minded and bias in itself?
@mobiledui No, it isn't. Hovind is an uneducated, lying, deceitful, deluded imbecile. There's no bias in that. There's no evidence to back the tripe he utters, therefore his rantings should be simply dismissed.
Kent Hovind says "that's not evolution it's variation within a species. 1. Actually it is a different species, bacteria is the highest level of classification, a kingdom. 2 Variation in a species and evolution are the SAME thing.
First get a haircut, and shave clean yourself up man! Then try to argue. Clearly you're just a fatass living in your moms basement with nothing better to do for attention so you post videos about something you have not the slightest clue about and can't even begin to comprehend. Skeptic.
@truealex93 Actually, it's a bedroom, not a basement. And you're right, I was living in my mum's house... in 2008, when I uploaded this... when I was 19.
Not owned. ...unless it proves evolution theory belongs only to atheism and that funding for it's propagation be mandatory for believers in God to supply.
Creationism is a term new to the 20th century, these old scientists may have believed in a creator but they did not literally believe in the adam and eve story.
Interesting video. But really, who cares what evolution has added to science? Rather, who should care? So this creationist's argument is that it's not important to learn the truth if it doesn't help you in some way, and therefore it isn't true. It's insane actually.
An intelligent mind creates a fan to blow the wind and fins to be moved by the wind. How is this even a piece of proof? I understand the probabilities of it, but I think this is an awfully weak portrayal.
did you know that aristotle taught a form of evolution in 400 BC and moses was taught evolution when he was growing up he was taught that life evolved from the slim on the nile river evolution goes back way further than you think
@celsius233 : heh. I was simply proving my point dear :). Thanks for the help there. Not a hypocrite by the way. Notice the tone I used in my previous post? How it seemed to have changed? You're only proving my point. Digging yourself deeper here. So show him the evidence. I've read it myself. But perhaps he hasn't. Show him, or you're just as much of a hypocrite when you state "lack of evidence" pertaining to a creator. Did you have authoritarian, or passive parents??
@celsius233 i find it funny how your not showing there entire subject he was on good job cutting out any and everything that completely disproves your evolution THEORY by the way i didnt come from a rock and neither did anyone else
@milkman76879 I find it funny that you can't type a coherent sentence, and also that you don't even know the difference between a theory in the common vernacular, and a scientific theory. Maybe if you looked it up you wouldn't sound quite as stupid.
@celsius233 : anger and intolerance can be different. But don't tell me that they are exclusive. They aren't. Point out the evidence for him instead of calling him a "retard with nothing of any value to say". You're telling me you're tolerant of people's beliefs...you should have kept your cool and shown him. Quit being a thermometer. Start being a thermostat. THAT shows tolerance.
@jordankrie So you're saying that i should keep my cool when dealing with someone I disagree with? Like you did when you called me a bitch and an asswipe? You my friend, are nothing more than a hypocrite. And why do you care so much? What are you, his fucking handler? Just piss off, will you?
@celsius233 : see? Intolerant little bitch. I see it with multiple other comments that you are making on your own vid. Good work asswipe. If you were a man, you'd have balls, allowing me to even consider the possibility. Asswipe.
@jordankriese I think you have trouble telling the difference between anger and intolerance. If I were intolerant, would I let you call me a bitch on my own video or would I simply block you? Like I said before, if you don't like me just go somewhere else.
In all honesty mate, I think you have got some issues. Maybe you should learn to humor people. I think it's all about temperament. I mean I've never come into this conversation threatening you with violence. Nor did I come here to try to insult you, I was just saying my piece. You on the other hand have insulted me on numerous occasions, threatened me with violence, scoffed at everything that I have said. Seriously mate, grow up.
Actually I lied about everyone wanting to punch me... in real life I get along with people pretty well. But I just like to come here when I'm drunk and get you a little worked up and all. You really do have a bit of an ego problem though. The stuff I say shouldn't really get you that worked up. I mean, I don't even get slightly angry at anything that you have said to me. Why should you?
@celsius233 : good work arm-wrestling a 5 year old asshole. One can tolerate a crying baby on an airplane but you don't have the sense to keep your mouth closed because a man with the logic of a five year old decides to make a statement that proves absolutely nothing. Congratulations. Bit of advice for you : next time you try and stroke your ego, aim higher.
"But it's still a bacteria!" That is essentialism and our human tendency to put everything into discrete groups. Darwinian evolution completely destroys essentialism, there are no "fixed" species. there are no "essential" rabbits, humans, bacteria, chimpanzees, etc. just different statistical ranges in any given period of time. The "rabbit" today is not the same as the rabbit of 1 million years ago ; genetically, at least. Over much longer periods of time, large phenotypical changes occur.
We should be past warfare by now if there was anyone intelligent, and incorruptible running this world. But we are not. All we see is more war more lies. Instead of people working together to make a better world, we see countries starving; people dying. All because of lies, deceit, and propaganda. Maybe I do have a point when I say that Satan is running this world. Just think about it anyway.
And what I've really been trying to tell you is; that it is the morally bankrupt people that are ruling this world. And that evolution theory, and please let me specify what their theory of evolution is. We come from a rock. We don't need morals because there is no one to answer to. But every one of us has the understanding of right and wrong. so obviously there is a right and wrong. However the people that run this world only want... wrong. And they will do anything to get it.
I have atheist friends also Celsius. You think that Christians think that they are saints or something? Trust me... we are not saints. And trust me when I say this... I love my friends. Even though they are not Christian. And I will try to protect them. I don't think that they are morally bankrupt. But in this big bad world there are some that are.
@Vert308 I don't think all Christians think they're saints. I think YOU do, that's why I called YOU sanctimonious. Also if you think that an accurate description of the theory of evolution is that we "came from a rock", you seriously need to look up what the actual theory is. Furthermore dismissing a scientific theory based on its moral value is fucking idiotic. The theory of gravity offers no moral guidance either, should we therefore dismiss it as false?
@celsius233 Wow you think that I think I'm a saint? Thanks man that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. But maybe you have some misconceptions about the way I think about myself. I am not a saint. Maybe in your mind you think I think that I'm a saint but I do not. I think that you want to believe is that you are a saint. In a fashion. You want to get out there and burn all those religious nut jobs to the ground. Evolution theory is going to win right?
@Vert308 There is no war between evolution and religion. There is only a war between science (truth) and those who attack science for personal gain (liars like Kent Hovind). I don't give two shits about anyone's religious beliefs. Why do you find this perfectly simple idea so hard to grasp? I don't hate christianity, I hate LIARS and IGNORANCE
@celsius233 Well I think that you hate Kent Hovind because he attacked your little comfort bubble in the science of evolution. And of course there is actually no science of evolution... it is just another religion. What Kent Hovind said was, we didn't just spring out of the rocks, we were created by a God. You hate religion mate; you do not want to be accountable for your actions by a superior being, after this life. Am I correct?
@Vert308 NO you are not correct. Why will you not get this through your thick fucking retarded skull? Kent Hovind is a liar, this has been proved over and over and over. You think evolution is wrong because you don't understand what evolution actually means because you listen to liars like Kent Hovind. All you do is come here and provoke me with stale old arguments I've heard a million times before and ignore every point I make.
@Vert308 What if the Koran is true? What if Hinduism is true? What if Greek mythology is true? What if Norse mythology is true? What if Ancient Egyptian mythology is true? What if paganism is true? etc. etc.
Do you understand why the question "What if the bible is true?" is completely insipid and pointless?
@celsius233 This is why you attack me and any other Christian that comes here to debate with you. You are so full of yourself that, you can't see any other path; other than your own arrogance. It has to be your path right? Not Gods path; because you don't follow Gods path; you want to pave your own right? You are better than God? I've heard that sort of shit before in the Bible. Those words came straight from Satan. He wanted to be God, you wanna be your own God.
@Vert308 What the fuck are you even talking about? I NEVER MENTIONED GOD in this fucking video. You are the one who keeps bringing it up, now answer one of my points or I will simply block you.
@celsius233 Ok what evolution theory means to me; let me collect my thoughts on this issue. The Human race was created by some sort of perfect cancer, which, fed upon itself, and made fish and plants and other microorganisms. Under perfect conditions, that we can't recreate today with all of our modern technology in a laboratory.
@celsius233 Yes... evolution theory is all about survival of the fittest? Am I correct? Darwinian theory as such. See Kent Hovind turned that theory around when he said it's survival of the luckiest. Which theory do you believe is more true?
@Vert308 Both statements are true, the fittest are the fittest because they are lucky enough to have the right mutations at the right time. I don't see why changing one word matters.
@Vert308 Ok, sometimes animals escape death due to luck and not genetics. How does this invalidate the theory? Imagine a bunch of yaks living in the mountains during a particularly harsh and cold winter. Some of them have a genetic mutation that gives them slightly thicker fur. Who survives, the fittest or the luckiest? See, just because it sometimes comes down to blind luck doesn't mean it always does. You have proved nothing.
@celsius233 And what if that Yak with the thick fur has a pack of humans standing over it with bow and arrows, thinking to themselves. "that would make a nice fur coat for my Mrs" that's another thing to consider.
@Vert308 If an animal has a mutation that makes it MORE DESIRABLE to a predator, then that animal is LESS FIT to survive. Get it? I really don't see what your point is.
@celsius233 Well if an animal is desirable. Say like the elephant and their tusks. Do you think that they would not be hunted out? The elephants almost were hunted out though.
@Vert308 YES, if an animal is desirable to predators and easy to catch, then it is UNFIT and will go extinct. That is EXACTLY how evolution works. Seriously, what point are you trying to make?
@celsius233 well the point that I am trying to make is that. It's not about fitness. You can be the fittest fucker on the face of the earth and then trip and break your neck falling down some stairs. Or you could be the most useless fucker, and glide through life quite comfortably.
@celsius233 Ok prove to me that evolution theory is true and I might just leave you alone. Give me rock solid facts that organisms are coming to life, from nothing but rocks and water, and maybe a few lightening bolts. If it's happened once before it can happen now mate, the conditions on this planet couldn't be more perfect for it. Give me the truth mate... I just wanna know ok?
@celsius233 Look, I can understand that species can evolve. I understand that micro organisms can evolve. But they never become anything outside of what they already are. This is the problem. There are evolutionists saying that; this is where we came from, and this is where have to end up. Look into the H+ theory and bio technology.
@Vert308 So, you believe that is is possible for small changes and adaptations to occur in any genome, but you don't believe that it is possible for a genome to change beyond a certain point? I've heard this argument before. You know what no-one has ever been able to answer? Where in the genome is the mechanism which prevents small changes from building up into big changes?
@celsius233 Every death is actually caused by random chance. Look at history. But is it random? Or is it Gods will? I know you don't like the fact that everything might not be random. And might actually be a God and stuff. But life is about choice right? A choice to believe in whatever the fuck you want. So... in the end... it's all up to you... not me
@Vert308 No, every death is not random. For one thing human history will tell you nothing about the animal kingdom since humans have technology. think of the number of people with genetic disorders alive today who wouldn't last two seconds alone in the wild. The more suited an animal is to its environment, the more LIKELY it is to survive long enough to pass on its genes. Yes, there are random deaths but an entire species can't survive in a hostile environment purely by blind luck. Get it?
@celsius233 Nope not really. Where did humans get their tech from? Was it animals? From your video we got all our tech from animals. Or was it just logic and reason. I dunno mate. you might be right. We are just another broken branch on the tree of evolution. We don't have dominion over the animals and the earth like the Bible says. We're fucked. thanks for info mate. You win.
@Vert308 Are you intentionally missing my point for comic effect or are you really that stupid? We got all our technology from animals? What does that even mean? Humans built technology using our brains and our hands. And, once again, that has no bearing on what I was talking about.
@celsius233 Hmm... didn't you have the intestines of a dog support your evolution theory? In that pipe work kinda stuff? Did that come from an animal? Or did it come from you?
@Vert308 Seriously? You need me to explain that to you? The shape of the pipes did not come from me or an animal. It came from a computer that was programmed to imitate the way we believe evolution works and lo and behold it came up with a solution that closely resembles one which already exists in nature. Thus proving that it is possible that that shape in nature could have been created by evolution.
@celsius233 Nah dude... I still think that you are full of shit. You think that a computer simulation can show you what life is? Why can't that computer simulation create life then?
@Vert308 Jesus, if you were in front of me I would punch you so hard. The computer cannot create life for two reasons. 1) a computer can only SIMULATE things. Just like it didn't actually create a physical set of pipes, it simulated them.2) We don't have enough information to tell the computer how to create life because we don't know how life originated. There are several competing ideas, but no-one knows for sure.
@celsius233 awesome... well... now that you know that computers are not better than yourself... maybe you should consider punching them then. Just as a side thought of course.
@Vert308 "awesome... well... now that you know that computers are not better than yourself... maybe you should consider punching them then. Just as a side thought of course." What?
@celsius233 I'll be back in a few days man... It has been a good conversation though. Even though you want to punch me...this is not unusual for me by the way. Just about everyone wants to punch me. I'll catch you later.
@celsius233 Look Celsius I like talking with you mate. Otherwise I wouldn't come back. I've heard the stuff you've been going on about, a lot. Trust me. You don't believe a word that I say... I think that is fair enough. Everyone has to believe in something though... right? We can continue this conversation another time.
@celsius233 "Belief doesn't enter into it, the things you say are incredibly predictable and demonstrably wrong.". I could say the same thing with your evolution theory. Because it is still just a theory, and to this date has not yet been proven. Do you really want something that is unproven and quite possibly false being tought to the younger generation? Is that science? Or Ego?
@Vert308 You could say that, but you'd be fucking wrong. Evolution is supported by mountains of physical and theoretical evidence. Like so many before you, you have no idea what the scientific word "theory" actually means. Here's a hint, gravity is a theory, thermodynamics is a theory, magnetism is a theory, etc. It does not mean "guess".
@celsius233 I think that we should lump evolution theory with religious studies in schools and not get it confused with real science. What do you think?
@Vert308 Also, if nothing is random and it's all God's will, then isn't it God's will that I deny him and go to hell. Who the fuck are you to interfere with God's will by trying to convert me?
@celsius233 : to avoid miscommunication : I understand that your last post was referring to your previous one, whereas my post after that was in retaliation in a sense. And last thing...it's bigoted assholes like you that make us all look bad.
@celsius233 : how are you not? it's obvious that you lack tolerance of other people's religious beliefs, so you go out of your way to attack them. Why waste your time? So my question is : Exactly how are you not bigoted?
@jordankriese Don't presume to know anything about my character. You have never met me. I am tolerant of people's religious beliefs. I have friends who are Buddhist, Christian and even Satanists. What I do not tolerate is people like Kent Hovind who lie and spread ignorance.
@celsius233 Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. You profess yourself you be a wise man Celsius. Same with your other evolutionist buddies here. This could become a bit of a problem when you are trying to explain your actions to God. Oh; and I noticed that you said you were tolerant to religion? In my honest opinion, I really don't think you are hey. Otherwise you would not have posted this video.
@Vert308 "You profess yourself you be a wise man Celsius" No, I don't, I profess you to be an idiot. There's a difference.
And how does posting this video make me intolerant of religion? I didn't even mention religion ANYWHERE in the video. The ONLY point to this video is to prove that Kent Hovind is a liar. That has nothing to do with his religion and everything to do with the fact that he is a fucking liar.
@celsius233 what does rhetorical mean? <----rhetorical question. You see? I pointed that shit out. You were either too lazy to put that in, or too stupid to understand that without tonic emphasis, one cannot understand another's use of rhetoric. Point it out clearly so that anyone can get that it is rhetorical. Or you can come across as an ass. If that was your goal, well done sir.
@celsius233 : and another thing : why does contribution to society matter? What was the point of this video? Causing a flame war between two different ideologies because of one moronic YEC makes you look like a complete fool. Fight the rational. Those at your level. The rest of them are ignorant, and will stay that way, no matter what you say.
@celsius233 : well then don't ask over YouTube. Stupid questions get stupid answers. And once again, many claim that they are the truth, but rely on other sources for their power. Whereas Jesus did not (in the biblical sense). I don't believe the claims of his divinity, but out of every "truth", Christianity seems the most reasonable. Of the religions anyways. My point : don't ask stupid questions. You'll get ridiculously stupid and long answers. Just sayin'.
This video is a perfect example of the "evolutionist" blowing something way off topic. This experiment only relates to MICRO-EVOLUTION, which Hovind has said many times is not true evolution, but rather variation within a species. Hovind has said that this already exists, so this video in no way proves Hovind wrong. If you want to prove evolution right, or Hovind wrong for that matter, find me a video of an experiment relating to MACRO-EVOLUTION that is being applied today to benefit society.
@celsius233 : yeah...writing on my phone. Just said that Jesus was unique pertaining to "divine authority" and "salvation". Not the idea of salvation in and of it's own, but how one obtains it. So I answered one of your questions that was directed at...well I don't remember who. But yeah.
@jordankriese I'm afraid my question was rhetorical. I was merely trying to make the point that every religion claims it has a monopoly on truth, so that's no argument for Christianity
@celsius233 : "What does Christ offer that other deities don't? Why should I put my trust in him?" <---your comment. I don't see those as truth, but I do see them as unique, things that the writers of the new testament claimed as truth to be unique.
I got to admit even as a Christian, I completely disagree with Kent Hovind through and through. However, I like Richard Dawkins even if he is an Atheist. Who cares? I love hearing Richard Dawkins speak. You learn so much about how the world works every time he talks unlike Kent Hovind who just pretty much rants.
@Rodney780 Thank you for proving that not all christians are moronic fundamentalist nutcases. With the comments I get here, it sometimes seems that way.
@celsius233 No problem. Dr. Hovind says that evolution has done nothing for us. Evolution describes how organisms adapt to their environment. If a bacteria adapts immunity to certain medicines that is Evolution. Yet Hovind says it is still a bacteria. What is his point?
Animals are basically a colony of cells. We know cells can evolve. That is already proven because we get immune to some diseases. Cells within us are the ones who makes us evolve but yet they're still cells through and through.
@celsius233 Part 2: You see fish, mammals, reptiles all have very similar cells. Each Animal has their own genetic sequence inside their own cells, but that is really the only that separates Animal's cell from another Animal's cell, but yet they are so much alike. Don't believe me they once grew a human ear on a back of a rat. That may have been by genetically engineering, but you can't genetically engineer something unless you have similarities.
@celsius233 Part 3: So we have gain something out of evolution, and that is medicines, genetically engineering, more understanding of how DNA works thanks to Gregor Mendel. So Hovind was wrong. As usual.
@Rodney780 And as I see it the search for god is the search for truth. Why would you shut out science and reality to live in a fantasy world of bearded men in the sky making people by magic? Surely it's much more satisfying to understand the true nature of the universe and thereby understand the true nature of god. (However it is that you choose to define god)
@celsius233 I believe in Evolution, Gay rights, the Big Bang theory. I hate it when Christians start to think a book proves everything. If God does exist we don't even know what God is. He could be anything from another place. Believe me, I love science. I agree with your views, other than the God thing. I believe God is more atomic than magic. But I am not gonna judge for not believing nor are you gonna to Hell. Christians only love God because they fear him, not because he is forgiving .
@Vert308 - let me take a step back and say that I don't wish to attack you personally, just your ideas. I will likely not return to this page (short attention span), so you may have at me without worrying about me defending myself. Plenty of christians see science as compatible with god and view a literal reading of genesis to be irresponsible - you are in the minority on that one, even within your own religion. Do you really think science could have brought us this far if it didn't work?
So this guy took something that was already known (A flat surface has the least Air-resistance), did it wrong (made a shape with massively increased air-resistance), then used evolution to get back to square one. And you people call this an argument. Did you not know Christians teach "To separate yourself from God you separate yourself from Intelligence."? You're not really making a good argument for the Atheists, you know? (You are an Atheist btw, look up the definition.)
@RaVeNEst90 Why is it that everyone focuses on that one part of the video? Did you not understand the part where he explicitly explained that that was just a TEST to see if the idea worked? When you want to test that something like that works, you use something simple to which you already know the solution so you can see if it gets it right or not.
See I know that some of you guys are scientists. However, do you consider yourselves Gods amongst men? Do you think that if you lie long enough and hard enough that the world will believe you? We will have to see about that. Maybe you should look a little deeper into the lies; before you tell the people that they are liars.
@celsius233 I didn't say that all scientists were liars mate. But some are. Look at the cancer foundation, a charity that sucks money out of people. There are doctors out there that have been curing a large variety of cancers, just through prescribing a specific dietary regime based on the cancer. Those doctors are real scientists, and the cancer foundation are a bunch of leeches.
@celsius233 There was also a group of real scientists working with something called microphages. They isolated these things to attack specific bacteria or viruses, with great success. However, because of it's success in healing people from life threatening diseases. The alliance between these russian scientists and, I dunno, prolly the FDA dissolved. There's no money in curing people, there's a lot of money in keeping people sick, alive, and on therapy though.
@celsius233 See the only thing that you can fall back on is insults. Why are you calling me a cunt? Will that give you a higher standing with your evolutionist mates or something? Did you know that evolution theory led to eugenics? Building a better human and stuff? Kinda like Hitler and his aryan race stuff and all. I'm not here to try to insult you. But when I'm here, you always insult me. Why is that? Do you not have manners or something?
@celsius233 Possibly you should develop a better argument, apart from just, attacking me and, or other Christians that come here to try to talk to you guys. All that I receive from you and your mates is hostility. I mean. Your Video here has not provided one single fact that evolution theory is "how we all got here". When a Christian argues against evolution theory, this is what we get. And it's only because we believe that there is something bigger than us.
@Vert308 1) I have no idea what cancer cures have to do with this "debate" 2) The reason I call you a sanctimonious cunt is because that is exactly what you are. I have no problem with having an honest conversation about worldviews, but what you do is say really stupid shit and act superior because you have god on your side. You even brought up Hitler for Christ's sake, conveniently forgetting that he was a STAUNCH CATHOLIC. Now fuck off, you sanctimonious cunt.
@celsius233 Should I call you a sanctimonious cunt because you believe in what you believe in then? Maybe it's you that should take a step back; and listen for a change. Hitler was not Christian; he was atheist, he was also not Catholic, he was a Satanist. However like I have said before the Catholic church supported Hitler fully. What sort of organization does that make the Catholic church? Fucken hell man... it doesn't take a genius to work out whats happening here.
@celsius233 When you take this shit into account... and lets say... the Spanish inquisition. This was also orchestrated by the holy roman catholic church. I just cannot see where Christians come into your view of Villains. Ok I might be sanctimonious. But I'm not a murderer. But your religion fully vindicates murderers and scum bags by saying "there is no wrong or right; there is only the lesson learned". This is funny right? You should be laughing right now I guess.
@celsius233 I see it now... you must support a religion, which hates Christianity, loves abortion, loves homosexuality, hates free thinking. Because, I like free thinking. I like to think. But your statements have obviously shown me that you don't want me to think for myself. You want me to be a person you can shit on. You think I'm stupid. Well done mate. Thanks for that.
@Vert308 I'm not going to discuss Hitler's religious views with you, it's a totally moot point; Suffice to say that the words "GOD WITH US" were inscribed on nazi uniforms. Stop referring to atheism as a religion, that's moronic. Atheist is just a word to describe someone who doesn't believe in any specific god. There are no "rules" of atheism, there is no central text that unites us. If you think that atheists have no moral compass, however, you are either stupid or you have been lied to.
@Vert308 The point I desperately want to get across to you is that religious beliefs or lack thereof have ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING to do with whether a person is "good" or "evil". There are countless examples of both good and evil on all sides of the argument. I am not the one saying christianity is evil and atheism is good. I actually have quite a lot of christian friends.
@Vert308 It is you who seems to believe that all atheists are morally bankrupt and involved in some sort of vicious global conspiracy and that all christians are blameless martyrs. And THAT is why I called you a sanctimonious cunt.
@Vert308 And just for the record... using the lord Jesus Christs name in vain, is a sin. Just call me a cunt next time ok? Without his name in context.
@Vert308 Please understand that I don't give a flying fuck about what constitutes as a sin in your mind. I will say whatever the fucking Christ I god damn well cunting please and if you have a problem with that, then take comfort in the assured knowledge that I will be roasting in hell while you're chilling with god in heaven.
@Vert308 Did you ever think that you are the one being lied to about your dogmatic fairy tale? Science contributes; religion keeps peoples' minds in the dark ages. If you ever watch any of Hovind's videos, he doesn't even grasp the concepts of 5th grade biology and the unknowing masses eat up his ignorance as fact. That is sad and a disgrace to science. Remember, when you type your rebuttal, you're using science to do it, not religion.
Hi guys I'm back... yeah I know I lied about never coming back and stuff; but I'm saved so it dun matter. One thing that I would like to ask though is; why is it that the world hates Christianity? I mean; Christians don't persecute people; they're not suicide bombers; why do you hate a religion which only asks you to get saved? It's not really a big thing to ask. It must be pride that stops you. You must think that you are more intelligent than the creator of this universe. It's not good.
@Vert308 Thinking people of the world do not cause global problems. Petty crime, murder, fraud, violence... all the evils of the world are products of short-sighted ignorance and stupidity. Intelligence is the product of curiosity. Religions aren't curious, they 'already know everything worth knowing'. Religion kills curiosity, which kills intelligence, which breeds stupidity. Religion is one of the main causes of all the mess in the world, and the curious, thinking members have to clean it up.
@Vert308 No, you're right, Christianity is completely without fault. I mean, it's not like extremist christian pro-lifers ever kill any doctors. It's not like Christian Americans have waged bloody war on Islamic countries killing countless innocents. It's not like the Catholic church is responsible for one of the biggest child rape scandals in history. Let's not play this game. Every side in this debate is capable of good and evil deeds
@celsius233 Your logic is flawed. Ever hear of counterfeits? Gucci tags on purses that aren't really Gucci? The same argument goes for people who put the label of Christian on themselves, but they really aren't. A lie is a lie. And we know what happens to liars on judgment day.
@MessiahYeshuah I get really sick of that bullshit argument. It's very easy and convenient for you to claim that anyone who does anything morally dubious is a "fake" christian, so that your side of the debate can have a clean record. It doesn't work that way. There are plenty of evil people out there who genuinely believe (perhaps even more strongly than you do) that they are adhering to the will of God
@celsius233 People of The Way, adhere to God's commandments because they do not walk after the flesh. You cannot see The Kingdom because you do not have faith, therefore, you are blind, spiritually.
@Vert308 The biggest dicks that I've met in the world are the pious. You ever see Pat Robertson rant about how god punished the Haitians with the earth quake or the WBC protesting funerals?
I think Kent Hovind believs in micro evolution, what this video was all about. This video was about trial and error and learning from it. What you should proof is how species turn from one to another. I believe in evolution, but we all should learn more about it. Know its true, dont guess.
MrBlitsBlits 4 days ago
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@MrBlitsBlits What you should proof is how species turn from one to another.
Google :"observed speciation" there you find many examples where we have observed the evolution of new species.
MrRichardQED 1 day ago
Debate him when he beats you kiss his ring.
TankTysonFan 6 days ago
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MrZpurd 6 days ago
you say that evolution is a recently new theroy, wich is wrong. James Hutton wrote the book "theory of the earth" in 1795 wich stated that the earth was much older than people think. then Charles lyell wrote the book "Principals of Geology" in the 1800s and his intentions were clear since in his book he wrote that he wanted to "to free science from Moses". people had the chance to become evolutionists.
btw. Adabting is not evolution. it only uses information that already exists and does not add.
Wittykipz 1 week ago
@MAYNEOFSTEEL You're not being serious, right?
MagneticPig 1 week ago
No scientist would 'debate' with Hovind, because, "Wise men never argue with fools, because people from a distance can't tell who is who"?
Now he is in jail. Ha.
chestypants78 1 week ago
It's so funny how Evolutionists has to use all these machines, computers, chemicals and science labs to try to recreate life or develop a theory on how we got here. All GOD has to do his open his mouth! Genesis chapter 1 "and God said let there be light" and there it was and it's still here! He makes them look like fools.
MAYNEOFSTEEL 1 week ago
@MAYNEOFSTEEL HAHA, it's almost as if humans don't have magical god powers.
celsius233 1 week ago 5
@celsius233 KAMEHAMEHAAAAA!
There, proof that humans are Gods.
CHECKMATE ATHIESTS!!!!
SenLinFu 5 days ago
@MAYNEOFSTEEL
Ah yes. The FSM be with us all.
pngwn56 1 week ago
@MAYNEOFSTEEL Funny how God creates light earlier than stars.
SenLinFu 5 days ago
@SenLinFu It's his divine light!
MAYNEOFSTEEL 4 days ago
@MAYNEOFSTEEL God said " let there be light" and chuck norris said " say please"
carlosboo1 2 days ago
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MAYNEOFSTEEL 1 week ago
unlokia 1 week ago
@unlokia 17 FUCKING HOURS? No thanks. I've watched one of Kent Hovind's lectures all the way through and I know exactly how full of shit he is.
celsius233 1 week ago 2
@celsius233 Take it easy, really.
unlokia 1 week ago
@celsius233 You're acting very childishly, cut the bullshitters some slack.
TweekDash 5 days ago
@unlokia Why does Kent Hovind talk about Ceolacanth as if it's one animal? He is either being dishonest about his research, or he has incomplete research.
Most of Dr. Hovind's material is deliberately engineered propaganda with massive gaps in the data, like Creationisms Ceolacanth myth.
Hovind is a great entertainer and natural comedian, but intellectually honest he is not.
doubleKlutch 5 days ago
@unlokia Good idea.
A hearty laugh is never wrong.
SenLinFu 5 days ago
Funny how evolutionists and atheists have to sit around wasting their entire life, desperately (and very often, aggressively) "proving" they are "right", when Christians simply know the truth, and you'll find they're generally MUCH MUCH less anxious to force their views in your face, or fervently battle to prove the non-believers as wrong.
God's truth brings true peace, which we have no need to *prove*. If you ask, we'll tell you, but God still loves you. See the difference?
God bless you!
unlokia 1 week ago
@unlokia Believing that there is a god who created the world is one thing but that there would one that makes a book stating what we can and cannot do is really annoying, especially if we like doing some of those things that he doesnt allow. I wanna live my life with my rules, not somebody elses. If god is so mighty and good then why does he create people who have so called evil intensions? Thats not good, neither is pain and yet we have plenty of that.
zukodude487987 1 week ago
@unlokia If all Christians "Know" the truth, why do they sit around all day finding atheists to refute? Why does Kevin Hovind stand around making a mockery of the sciences (And I mean all sciences). I was forced to watch all the Hovind bullshit through youth group, then, I discovered REAL science, and it all makes more sense and is way more beautiful then a creator. Now I'm a proud student of Anthropology with a minor in Biology. I'm a proud atheist, because I use evidence, not faith.
TheDiCastio 1 week ago
@unlokia The irony of this is I just came back from a walk in downtown Toronto where there were 6 (5 give or take) different religious groups with speakers and microphones/megaphones preaching. I don't really know what forcing would mean, but man, was it noisy.
ExaggeratedCool 1 week ago
@unlokia Did you just say that Christians are less likely to force their views on a person than atheists? I just made a video that YOU chose to watch. I did not come to your house on a Saturday morning with a bunch of pamphlets.
celsius233 1 week ago
I'm sure you'll find that Kent Hovind really doesn't care who thinks they "PWND" him, because he loves God, creation is truth, and some day you'll ALL face God, and become believers.
unlokia 1 week ago
I like how this man says "evilution" lol. He doesnt like it either.
MrZpurd 1 week ago
@MrZpurd That's what an English accent sounds like.
celsius233 1 week ago
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MrZpurd 6 days ago
Whats a troll?
TMFthemissionfield 2 weeks ago
There's no point in wasting time refuting the pathologically lying criminal Kent Hovind. He's so full of crap, with an uneducated and completely biased mind, that he needs to be simply dismissed.
ChipArgyle 2 weeks ago
@ChipArgyle im not taking sides here, i have no stock in either side of whatever you are talking about but id like to point out that you just said that someone is bias and should be dismissed.....isnt that closed minded and bias in itself?
mobiledui 1 week ago
@mobiledui No, it isn't. Hovind is an uneducated, lying, deceitful, deluded imbecile. There's no bias in that. There's no evidence to back the tripe he utters, therefore his rantings should be simply dismissed.
ChipArgyle 1 week ago
Kent Hovind says "that's not evolution it's variation within a species. 1. Actually it is a different species, bacteria is the highest level of classification, a kingdom. 2 Variation in a species and evolution are the SAME thing.
kyekire 2 weeks ago
Kids didn't use to be this dumb. Rename the user entropy233.
Caravandrums 2 weeks ago
Just wondering is there anyone from anywhere on the earth that still thinks its flat
because I reckon if we're going to find that someone it's probably going to here
: )
MrIrishBilly 2 weeks ago
First get a haircut, and shave clean yourself up man! Then try to argue. Clearly you're just a fatass living in your moms basement with nothing better to do for attention so you post videos about something you have not the slightest clue about and can't even begin to comprehend. Skeptic.
truealex93 2 weeks ago
@truealex93 Actually, it's a bedroom, not a basement. And you're right, I was living in my mum's house... in 2008, when I uploaded this... when I was 19.
celsius233 2 weeks ago
@celsius233
This is a great video man. Don't let the trolls get you down.
obar111 2 weeks ago
@truealex93 Insults: The last resort of the man with no answers, no ideas and no argument. Better to be a skeptic than gullible!
GrumpyOldJim 2 weeks ago
@truealex93 What an insightful argument. 'Shave clean yourself up'. Yoda? Is that you? Man has long hair, therefore wrong. School much?
chestypants78 1 week ago
Not owned. ...unless it proves evolution theory belongs only to atheism and that funding for it's propagation be mandatory for believers in God to supply.
ogaextreme2035 3 weeks ago
ok your trying to say fuckin evolution exsist because somebody built a maodle piss off man get real
joejoewhatwatt 3 weeks ago
@joejoewhatwatt nope, that's not what this video says. Go back and try again.
celsius233 2 weeks ago 3
Creationism is a term new to the 20th century, these old scientists may have believed in a creator but they did not literally believe in the adam and eve story.
luv4knowledge 3 weeks ago
Interesting video. But really, who cares what evolution has added to science? Rather, who should care? So this creationist's argument is that it's not important to learn the truth if it doesn't help you in some way, and therefore it isn't true. It's insane actually.
pedrocantina 3 weeks ago
An intelligent mind creates a fan to blow the wind and fins to be moved by the wind. How is this even a piece of proof? I understand the probabilities of it, but I think this is an awfully weak portrayal.
missedastep 1 month ago
did you know that aristotle taught a form of evolution in 400 BC and moses was taught evolution when he was growing up he was taught that life evolved from the slim on the nile river evolution goes back way further than you think
milkman76879 1 month ago
no, hovind is right.
betterworld1 1 month ago
Owned!!! Love it
1234swindle 1 month ago
@celsius233 : heh. I was simply proving my point dear :). Thanks for the help there. Not a hypocrite by the way. Notice the tone I used in my previous post? How it seemed to have changed? You're only proving my point. Digging yourself deeper here. So show him the evidence. I've read it myself. But perhaps he hasn't. Show him, or you're just as much of a hypocrite when you state "lack of evidence" pertaining to a creator. Did you have authoritarian, or passive parents??
jordankriese 1 month ago
Fucking hell. I'm sick of both of you.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 i find it funny how your not showing there entire subject he was on good job cutting out any and everything that completely disproves your evolution THEORY by the way i didnt come from a rock and neither did anyone else
milkman76879 1 month ago
@milkman76879 I find it funny that you can't type a coherent sentence, and also that you don't even know the difference between a theory in the common vernacular, and a scientific theory. Maybe if you looked it up you wouldn't sound quite as stupid.
nietzschean23 1 month ago
@nietzschean23 nice argument you have fun in hell ill be in heaven bye bye mate
milkman76879 1 month ago
@celsius233 : anger and intolerance can be different. But don't tell me that they are exclusive. They aren't. Point out the evidence for him instead of calling him a "retard with nothing of any value to say". You're telling me you're tolerant of people's beliefs...you should have kept your cool and shown him. Quit being a thermometer. Start being a thermostat. THAT shows tolerance.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankrie So you're saying that i should keep my cool when dealing with someone I disagree with? Like you did when you called me a bitch and an asswipe? You my friend, are nothing more than a hypocrite. And why do you care so much? What are you, his fucking handler? Just piss off, will you?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 : see? Intolerant little bitch. I see it with multiple other comments that you are making on your own vid. Good work asswipe. If you were a man, you'd have balls, allowing me to even consider the possibility. Asswipe.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese I think you have trouble telling the difference between anger and intolerance. If I were intolerant, would I let you call me a bitch on my own video or would I simply block you? Like I said before, if you don't like me just go somewhere else.
celsius233 1 month ago
In all honesty mate, I think you have got some issues. Maybe you should learn to humor people. I think it's all about temperament. I mean I've never come into this conversation threatening you with violence. Nor did I come here to try to insult you, I was just saying my piece. You on the other hand have insulted me on numerous occasions, threatened me with violence, scoffed at everything that I have said. Seriously mate, grow up.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 If you don't like it, leave.
celsius233 1 month ago
Actually I lied about everyone wanting to punch me... in real life I get along with people pretty well. But I just like to come here when I'm drunk and get you a little worked up and all. You really do have a bit of an ego problem though. The stuff I say shouldn't really get you that worked up. I mean, I don't even get slightly angry at anything that you have said to me. Why should you?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Let's not get into pop psychology here, shall we? My motives and character are really none of your business.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 : good work arm-wrestling a 5 year old asshole. One can tolerate a crying baby on an airplane but you don't have the sense to keep your mouth closed because a man with the logic of a five year old decides to make a statement that proves absolutely nothing. Congratulations. Bit of advice for you : next time you try and stroke your ego, aim higher.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese So someone comes to my channel and starts screaming retarded bullshit and I'm supposed to just let it go? Suck my balls.
celsius233 1 month ago
"But it's still a bacteria!" That is essentialism and our human tendency to put everything into discrete groups. Darwinian evolution completely destroys essentialism, there are no "fixed" species. there are no "essential" rabbits, humans, bacteria, chimpanzees, etc. just different statistical ranges in any given period of time. The "rabbit" today is not the same as the rabbit of 1 million years ago ; genetically, at least. Over much longer periods of time, large phenotypical changes occur.
FellOnSoundGarden 1 month ago
We should be past warfare by now if there was anyone intelligent, and incorruptible running this world. But we are not. All we see is more war more lies. Instead of people working together to make a better world, we see countries starving; people dying. All because of lies, deceit, and propaganda. Maybe I do have a point when I say that Satan is running this world. Just think about it anyway.
Vert308 1 month ago
And what I've really been trying to tell you is; that it is the morally bankrupt people that are ruling this world. And that evolution theory, and please let me specify what their theory of evolution is. We come from a rock. We don't need morals because there is no one to answer to. But every one of us has the understanding of right and wrong. so obviously there is a right and wrong. However the people that run this world only want... wrong. And they will do anything to get it.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 SO true.
unlokia 1 week ago
I have atheist friends also Celsius. You think that Christians think that they are saints or something? Trust me... we are not saints. And trust me when I say this... I love my friends. Even though they are not Christian. And I will try to protect them. I don't think that they are morally bankrupt. But in this big bad world there are some that are.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 I don't think all Christians think they're saints. I think YOU do, that's why I called YOU sanctimonious. Also if you think that an accurate description of the theory of evolution is that we "came from a rock", you seriously need to look up what the actual theory is. Furthermore dismissing a scientific theory based on its moral value is fucking idiotic. The theory of gravity offers no moral guidance either, should we therefore dismiss it as false?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Wow you think that I think I'm a saint? Thanks man that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in a long time. But maybe you have some misconceptions about the way I think about myself. I am not a saint. Maybe in your mind you think I think that I'm a saint but I do not. I think that you want to believe is that you are a saint. In a fashion. You want to get out there and burn all those religious nut jobs to the ground. Evolution theory is going to win right?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 There is no war between evolution and religion. There is only a war between science (truth) and those who attack science for personal gain (liars like Kent Hovind). I don't give two shits about anyone's religious beliefs. Why do you find this perfectly simple idea so hard to grasp? I don't hate christianity, I hate LIARS and IGNORANCE
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Well I think that you hate Kent Hovind because he attacked your little comfort bubble in the science of evolution. And of course there is actually no science of evolution... it is just another religion. What Kent Hovind said was, we didn't just spring out of the rocks, we were created by a God. You hate religion mate; you do not want to be accountable for your actions by a superior being, after this life. Am I correct?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 NO you are not correct. Why will you not get this through your thick fucking retarded skull? Kent Hovind is a liar, this has been proved over and over and over. You think evolution is wrong because you don't understand what evolution actually means because you listen to liars like Kent Hovind. All you do is come here and provoke me with stale old arguments I've heard a million times before and ignore every point I make.
celsius233 1 month ago
@Vert308 Science wins religion loses... YAY
That is what you want. That is your goal. But what if that Bible is really true. What if in all it's crazyness it really does have a point.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 What if the Koran is true? What if Hinduism is true? What if Greek mythology is true? What if Norse mythology is true? What if Ancient Egyptian mythology is true? What if paganism is true? etc. etc.
Do you understand why the question "What if the bible is true?" is completely insipid and pointless?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 This is why you attack me and any other Christian that comes here to debate with you. You are so full of yourself that, you can't see any other path; other than your own arrogance. It has to be your path right? Not Gods path; because you don't follow Gods path; you want to pave your own right? You are better than God? I've heard that sort of shit before in the Bible. Those words came straight from Satan. He wanted to be God, you wanna be your own God.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 What the fuck are you even talking about? I NEVER MENTIONED GOD in this fucking video. You are the one who keeps bringing it up, now answer one of my points or I will simply block you.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Which point would you like me to answer?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Any of them.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Ok what evolution theory means to me; let me collect my thoughts on this issue. The Human race was created by some sort of perfect cancer, which, fed upon itself, and made fish and plants and other microorganisms. Under perfect conditions, that we can't recreate today with all of our modern technology in a laboratory.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 What evolutionary theory means to you is irrelevant. Evolutionary theory has a very specific definition and that isn't it.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Yes... evolution theory is all about survival of the fittest? Am I correct? Darwinian theory as such. See Kent Hovind turned that theory around when he said it's survival of the luckiest. Which theory do you believe is more true?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Both statements are true, the fittest are the fittest because they are lucky enough to have the right mutations at the right time. I don't see why changing one word matters.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 well that may be true, but when when a whale runs through a school of Zooplankton, which one survives? The fittest? or the luckiest.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Ok, sometimes animals escape death due to luck and not genetics. How does this invalidate the theory? Imagine a bunch of yaks living in the mountains during a particularly harsh and cold winter. Some of them have a genetic mutation that gives them slightly thicker fur. Who survives, the fittest or the luckiest? See, just because it sometimes comes down to blind luck doesn't mean it always does. You have proved nothing.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 And what if that Yak with the thick fur has a pack of humans standing over it with bow and arrows, thinking to themselves. "that would make a nice fur coat for my Mrs" that's another thing to consider.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 If an animal has a mutation that makes it MORE DESIRABLE to a predator, then that animal is LESS FIT to survive. Get it? I really don't see what your point is.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Well if an animal is desirable. Say like the elephant and their tusks. Do you think that they would not be hunted out? The elephants almost were hunted out though.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 YES, if an animal is desirable to predators and easy to catch, then it is UNFIT and will go extinct. That is EXACTLY how evolution works. Seriously, what point are you trying to make?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 well the point that I am trying to make is that. It's not about fitness. You can be the fittest fucker on the face of the earth and then trip and break your neck falling down some stairs. Or you could be the most useless fucker, and glide through life quite comfortably.
Vert308 1 month ago
@celsius233 Ok prove to me that evolution theory is true and I might just leave you alone. Give me rock solid facts that organisms are coming to life, from nothing but rocks and water, and maybe a few lightening bolts. If it's happened once before it can happen now mate, the conditions on this planet couldn't be more perfect for it. Give me the truth mate... I just wanna know ok?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 And thus you prove that you don't know what the theory of evolution is. Evolution says nothing about the origins of life.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Look, I can understand that species can evolve. I understand that micro organisms can evolve. But they never become anything outside of what they already are. This is the problem. There are evolutionists saying that; this is where we came from, and this is where have to end up. Look into the H+ theory and bio technology.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 So, you believe that is is possible for small changes and adaptations to occur in any genome, but you don't believe that it is possible for a genome to change beyond a certain point? I've heard this argument before. You know what no-one has ever been able to answer? Where in the genome is the mechanism which prevents small changes from building up into big changes?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Also, I am fully aware of transhumanism and bio technology. What do either of those things have to do with this conversation?
celsius233 1 month ago
@Vert308 But, both of those cases are exceptions. You don't think that every death ever is caused by random chance, do you?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Every death is actually caused by random chance. Look at history. But is it random? Or is it Gods will? I know you don't like the fact that everything might not be random. And might actually be a God and stuff. But life is about choice right? A choice to believe in whatever the fuck you want. So... in the end... it's all up to you... not me
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 No, every death is not random. For one thing human history will tell you nothing about the animal kingdom since humans have technology. think of the number of people with genetic disorders alive today who wouldn't last two seconds alone in the wild. The more suited an animal is to its environment, the more LIKELY it is to survive long enough to pass on its genes. Yes, there are random deaths but an entire species can't survive in a hostile environment purely by blind luck. Get it?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Nope not really. Where did humans get their tech from? Was it animals? From your video we got all our tech from animals. Or was it just logic and reason. I dunno mate. you might be right. We are just another broken branch on the tree of evolution. We don't have dominion over the animals and the earth like the Bible says. We're fucked. thanks for info mate. You win.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Are you intentionally missing my point for comic effect or are you really that stupid? We got all our technology from animals? What does that even mean? Humans built technology using our brains and our hands. And, once again, that has no bearing on what I was talking about.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Hmm... didn't you have the intestines of a dog support your evolution theory? In that pipe work kinda stuff? Did that come from an animal? Or did it come from you?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Seriously? You need me to explain that to you? The shape of the pipes did not come from me or an animal. It came from a computer that was programmed to imitate the way we believe evolution works and lo and behold it came up with a solution that closely resembles one which already exists in nature. Thus proving that it is possible that that shape in nature could have been created by evolution.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Nah dude... I still think that you are full of shit. You think that a computer simulation can show you what life is? Why can't that computer simulation create life then?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Jesus, if you were in front of me I would punch you so hard. The computer cannot create life for two reasons. 1) a computer can only SIMULATE things. Just like it didn't actually create a physical set of pipes, it simulated them.2) We don't have enough information to tell the computer how to create life because we don't know how life originated. There are several competing ideas, but no-one knows for sure.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 awesome... well... now that you know that computers are not better than yourself... maybe you should consider punching them then. Just as a side thought of course.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 "awesome... well... now that you know that computers are not better than yourself... maybe you should consider punching them then. Just as a side thought of course." What?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 I'll be back in a few days man... It has been a good conversation though. Even though you want to punch me...this is not unusual for me by the way. Just about everyone wants to punch me. I'll catch you later.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 "Just about everyone wants to punch me" Really? Maybe that says something about your personality.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Look Celsius I like talking with you mate. Otherwise I wouldn't come back. I've heard the stuff you've been going on about, a lot. Trust me. You don't believe a word that I say... I think that is fair enough. Everyone has to believe in something though... right? We can continue this conversation another time.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Belief doesn't enter into it, the things you say are incredibly predictable and demonstrably wrong.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 "Belief doesn't enter into it, the things you say are incredibly predictable and demonstrably wrong.". I could say the same thing with your evolution theory. Because it is still just a theory, and to this date has not yet been proven. Do you really want something that is unproven and quite possibly false being tought to the younger generation? Is that science? Or Ego?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 You could say that, but you'd be fucking wrong. Evolution is supported by mountains of physical and theoretical evidence. Like so many before you, you have no idea what the scientific word "theory" actually means. Here's a hint, gravity is a theory, thermodynamics is a theory, magnetism is a theory, etc. It does not mean "guess".
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 I think that we should lump evolution theory with religious studies in schools and not get it confused with real science. What do you think?
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 I think the same that I've always thought about you. That you are an infuriating retard with nothing of any value to say.
celsius233 1 month ago
@Vert308 Also, if nothing is random and it's all God's will, then isn't it God's will that I deny him and go to hell. Who the fuck are you to interfere with God's will by trying to convert me?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 : to avoid miscommunication : I understand that your last post was referring to your previous one, whereas my post after that was in retaliation in a sense. And last thing...it's bigoted assholes like you that make us all look bad.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese Exactly how am I bigoted?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 : how are you not? it's obvious that you lack tolerance of other people's religious beliefs, so you go out of your way to attack them. Why waste your time? So my question is : Exactly how are you not bigoted?
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese Don't presume to know anything about my character. You have never met me. I am tolerant of people's religious beliefs. I have friends who are Buddhist, Christian and even Satanists. What I do not tolerate is people like Kent Hovind who lie and spread ignorance.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. You profess yourself you be a wise man Celsius. Same with your other evolutionist buddies here. This could become a bit of a problem when you are trying to explain your actions to God. Oh; and I noticed that you said you were tolerant to religion? In my honest opinion, I really don't think you are hey. Otherwise you would not have posted this video.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 "You profess yourself you be a wise man Celsius" No, I don't, I profess you to be an idiot. There's a difference.
And how does posting this video make me intolerant of religion? I didn't even mention religion ANYWHERE in the video. The ONLY point to this video is to prove that Kent Hovind is a liar. That has nothing to do with his religion and everything to do with the fact that he is a fucking liar.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 what does rhetorical mean? <----rhetorical question. You see? I pointed that shit out. You were either too lazy to put that in, or too stupid to understand that without tonic emphasis, one cannot understand another's use of rhetoric. Point it out clearly so that anyone can get that it is rhetorical. Or you can come across as an ass. If that was your goal, well done sir.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@celsius233 : and another thing : why does contribution to society matter? What was the point of this video? Causing a flame war between two different ideologies because of one moronic YEC makes you look like a complete fool. Fight the rational. Those at your level. The rest of them are ignorant, and will stay that way, no matter what you say.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@celsius233 : well then don't ask over YouTube. Stupid questions get stupid answers. And once again, many claim that they are the truth, but rely on other sources for their power. Whereas Jesus did not (in the biblical sense). I don't believe the claims of his divinity, but out of every "truth", Christianity seems the most reasonable. Of the religions anyways. My point : don't ask stupid questions. You'll get ridiculously stupid and long answers. Just sayin'.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word "rhetorical"
celsius233 1 month ago
This video is a perfect example of the "evolutionist" blowing something way off topic. This experiment only relates to MICRO-EVOLUTION, which Hovind has said many times is not true evolution, but rather variation within a species. Hovind has said that this already exists, so this video in no way proves Hovind wrong. If you want to prove evolution right, or Hovind wrong for that matter, find me a video of an experiment relating to MACRO-EVOLUTION that is being applied today to benefit society.
patrilr 1 month ago
@patrilr Where is the mechanism that prevents small changes from building up into large changes?
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 : yeah...writing on my phone. Just said that Jesus was unique pertaining to "divine authority" and "salvation". Not the idea of salvation in and of it's own, but how one obtains it. So I answered one of your questions that was directed at...well I don't remember who. But yeah.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese I'm afraid my question was rhetorical. I was merely trying to make the point that every religion claims it has a monopoly on truth, so that's no argument for Christianity
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 : "What does Christ offer that other deities don't? Why should I put my trust in him?" <---your comment. I don't see those as truth, but I do see them as unique, things that the writers of the new testament claimed as truth to be unique.
jordankriese 1 month ago
@jordankriese "I don't see those as truth, but I do see them as unique, things that the writers of the new testament claimed as truth to be unique."
I have no idea what that sentence means.
celsius233 1 month ago
I got to admit even as a Christian, I completely disagree with Kent Hovind through and through. However, I like Richard Dawkins even if he is an Atheist. Who cares? I love hearing Richard Dawkins speak. You learn so much about how the world works every time he talks unlike Kent Hovind who just pretty much rants.
Rodney780 1 month ago
@Rodney780 Thank you for proving that not all christians are moronic fundamentalist nutcases. With the comments I get here, it sometimes seems that way.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 No problem. Dr. Hovind says that evolution has done nothing for us. Evolution describes how organisms adapt to their environment. If a bacteria adapts immunity to certain medicines that is Evolution. Yet Hovind says it is still a bacteria. What is his point?
Animals are basically a colony of cells. We know cells can evolve. That is already proven because we get immune to some diseases. Cells within us are the ones who makes us evolve but yet they're still cells through and through.
Rodney780 1 month ago
@celsius233 Part 2: You see fish, mammals, reptiles all have very similar cells. Each Animal has their own genetic sequence inside their own cells, but that is really the only that separates Animal's cell from another Animal's cell, but yet they are so much alike. Don't believe me they once grew a human ear on a back of a rat. That may have been by genetically engineering, but you can't genetically engineer something unless you have similarities.
Rodney780 1 month ago
@celsius233 Part 3: So we have gain something out of evolution, and that is medicines, genetically engineering, more understanding of how DNA works thanks to Gregor Mendel. So Hovind was wrong. As usual.
Rodney780 1 month ago
@Rodney780 And as I see it the search for god is the search for truth. Why would you shut out science and reality to live in a fantasy world of bearded men in the sky making people by magic? Surely it's much more satisfying to understand the true nature of the universe and thereby understand the true nature of god. (However it is that you choose to define god)
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 I believe in Evolution, Gay rights, the Big Bang theory. I hate it when Christians start to think a book proves everything. If God does exist we don't even know what God is. He could be anything from another place. Believe me, I love science. I agree with your views, other than the God thing. I believe God is more atomic than magic. But I am not gonna judge for not believing nor are you gonna to Hell. Christians only love God because they fear him, not because he is forgiving .
Rodney780 1 month ago
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Rodney780 1 month ago
That part at the end about the dog intestinal set-up and the computer-generated solution to the pump just blew my mind.
TREYJEEZY 1 month ago
@Vert308 - let me take a step back and say that I don't wish to attack you personally, just your ideas. I will likely not return to this page (short attention span), so you may have at me without worrying about me defending myself. Plenty of christians see science as compatible with god and view a literal reading of genesis to be irresponsible - you are in the minority on that one, even within your own religion. Do you really think science could have brought us this far if it didn't work?
drunkenscotsman 1 month ago
HA HA HA HA!
So this guy took something that was already known (A flat surface has the least Air-resistance), did it wrong (made a shape with massively increased air-resistance), then used evolution to get back to square one. And you people call this an argument. Did you not know Christians teach "To separate yourself from God you separate yourself from Intelligence."? You're not really making a good argument for the Atheists, you know? (You are an Atheist btw, look up the definition.)
RaVeNEst90 1 month ago
@RaVeNEst90 Why is it that everyone focuses on that one part of the video? Did you not understand the part where he explicitly explained that that was just a TEST to see if the idea worked? When you want to test that something like that works, you use something simple to which you already know the solution so you can see if it gets it right or not.
celsius233 1 month ago
See I know that some of you guys are scientists. However, do you consider yourselves Gods amongst men? Do you think that if you lie long enough and hard enough that the world will believe you? We will have to see about that. Maybe you should look a little deeper into the lies; before you tell the people that they are liars.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Jesus, shut up you sanctimonious cunt.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 I didn't say that all scientists were liars mate. But some are. Look at the cancer foundation, a charity that sucks money out of people. There are doctors out there that have been curing a large variety of cancers, just through prescribing a specific dietary regime based on the cancer. Those doctors are real scientists, and the cancer foundation are a bunch of leeches.
Vert308 1 month ago
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Vert308 1 month ago
@celsius233 There was also a group of real scientists working with something called microphages. They isolated these things to attack specific bacteria or viruses, with great success. However, because of it's success in healing people from life threatening diseases. The alliance between these russian scientists and, I dunno, prolly the FDA dissolved. There's no money in curing people, there's a lot of money in keeping people sick, alive, and on therapy though.
Vert308 1 month ago
@celsius233 See the only thing that you can fall back on is insults. Why are you calling me a cunt? Will that give you a higher standing with your evolutionist mates or something? Did you know that evolution theory led to eugenics? Building a better human and stuff? Kinda like Hitler and his aryan race stuff and all. I'm not here to try to insult you. But when I'm here, you always insult me. Why is that? Do you not have manners or something?
Vert308 1 month ago
@celsius233 Possibly you should develop a better argument, apart from just, attacking me and, or other Christians that come here to try to talk to you guys. All that I receive from you and your mates is hostility. I mean. Your Video here has not provided one single fact that evolution theory is "how we all got here". When a Christian argues against evolution theory, this is what we get. And it's only because we believe that there is something bigger than us.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 1) I have no idea what cancer cures have to do with this "debate" 2) The reason I call you a sanctimonious cunt is because that is exactly what you are. I have no problem with having an honest conversation about worldviews, but what you do is say really stupid shit and act superior because you have god on your side. You even brought up Hitler for Christ's sake, conveniently forgetting that he was a STAUNCH CATHOLIC. Now fuck off, you sanctimonious cunt.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Should I call you a sanctimonious cunt because you believe in what you believe in then? Maybe it's you that should take a step back; and listen for a change. Hitler was not Christian; he was atheist, he was also not Catholic, he was a Satanist. However like I have said before the Catholic church supported Hitler fully. What sort of organization does that make the Catholic church? Fucken hell man... it doesn't take a genius to work out whats happening here.
Vert308 1 month ago
@celsius233 When you take this shit into account... and lets say... the Spanish inquisition. This was also orchestrated by the holy roman catholic church. I just cannot see where Christians come into your view of Villains. Ok I might be sanctimonious. But I'm not a murderer. But your religion fully vindicates murderers and scum bags by saying "there is no wrong or right; there is only the lesson learned". This is funny right? You should be laughing right now I guess.
Vert308 1 month ago
@celsius233 I see it now... you must support a religion, which hates Christianity, loves abortion, loves homosexuality, hates free thinking. Because, I like free thinking. I like to think. But your statements have obviously shown me that you don't want me to think for myself. You want me to be a person you can shit on. You think I'm stupid. Well done mate. Thanks for that.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 I'm not going to discuss Hitler's religious views with you, it's a totally moot point; Suffice to say that the words "GOD WITH US" were inscribed on nazi uniforms. Stop referring to atheism as a religion, that's moronic. Atheist is just a word to describe someone who doesn't believe in any specific god. There are no "rules" of atheism, there is no central text that unites us. If you think that atheists have no moral compass, however, you are either stupid or you have been lied to.
celsius233 1 month ago
@Vert308 The point I desperately want to get across to you is that religious beliefs or lack thereof have ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING to do with whether a person is "good" or "evil". There are countless examples of both good and evil on all sides of the argument. I am not the one saying christianity is evil and atheism is good. I actually have quite a lot of christian friends.
celsius233 1 month ago
@Vert308 It is you who seems to believe that all atheists are morally bankrupt and involved in some sort of vicious global conspiracy and that all christians are blameless martyrs. And THAT is why I called you a sanctimonious cunt.
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Jesus, shut up you sanctimonious cunt.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 And just for the record... using the lord Jesus Christs name in vain, is a sin. Just call me a cunt next time ok? Without his name in context.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Please understand that I don't give a flying fuck about what constitutes as a sin in your mind. I will say whatever the fucking Christ I god damn well cunting please and if you have a problem with that, then take comfort in the assured knowledge that I will be roasting in hell while you're chilling with god in heaven.
celsius233 1 month ago
@Vert308 Did you ever think that you are the one being lied to about your dogmatic fairy tale? Science contributes; religion keeps peoples' minds in the dark ages. If you ever watch any of Hovind's videos, he doesn't even grasp the concepts of 5th grade biology and the unknowing masses eat up his ignorance as fact. That is sad and a disgrace to science. Remember, when you type your rebuttal, you're using science to do it, not religion.
CaptainAwesomeoh13 1 month ago
Hi guys I'm back... yeah I know I lied about never coming back and stuff; but I'm saved so it dun matter. One thing that I would like to ask though is; why is it that the world hates Christianity? I mean; Christians don't persecute people; they're not suicide bombers; why do you hate a religion which only asks you to get saved? It's not really a big thing to ask. It must be pride that stops you. You must think that you are more intelligent than the creator of this universe. It's not good.
Vert308 1 month ago
@Vert308 Thinking people of the world do not cause global problems. Petty crime, murder, fraud, violence... all the evils of the world are products of short-sighted ignorance and stupidity. Intelligence is the product of curiosity. Religions aren't curious, they 'already know everything worth knowing'. Religion kills curiosity, which kills intelligence, which breeds stupidity. Religion is one of the main causes of all the mess in the world, and the curious, thinking members have to clean it up.
doubleKlutch 1 month ago
@Vert308 No, you're right, Christianity is completely without fault. I mean, it's not like extremist christian pro-lifers ever kill any doctors. It's not like Christian Americans have waged bloody war on Islamic countries killing countless innocents. It's not like the Catholic church is responsible for one of the biggest child rape scandals in history. Let's not play this game. Every side in this debate is capable of good and evil deeds
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 Your logic is flawed. Ever hear of counterfeits? Gucci tags on purses that aren't really Gucci? The same argument goes for people who put the label of Christian on themselves, but they really aren't. A lie is a lie. And we know what happens to liars on judgment day.
MessiahYeshuah 1 month ago
@MessiahYeshuah I get really sick of that bullshit argument. It's very easy and convenient for you to claim that anyone who does anything morally dubious is a "fake" christian, so that your side of the debate can have a clean record. It doesn't work that way. There are plenty of evil people out there who genuinely believe (perhaps even more strongly than you do) that they are adhering to the will of God
celsius233 1 month ago
@celsius233 People of The Way, adhere to God's commandments because they do not walk after the flesh. You cannot see The Kingdom because you do not have faith, therefore, you are blind, spiritually.
MessiahYeshuah 1 month ago
@Vert308 The biggest dicks that I've met in the world are the pious. You ever see Pat Robertson rant about how god punished the Haitians with the earth quake or the WBC protesting funerals?