#51 Demo of Vacuum on HHO cell from car intake manifold.

[phnxrzn2007]

You need a small pressure tank in between the cell and the car engine . If you want to run the car on HHO only your entire cell system needs to handle some very high PSI's and have a 1 gallon pressure tank as a stream buffer. It's just an idea.

[hydrogenassist]

I think that you are correct about this. That is why I think you get better gas mileage when your car is run in cruise control at a constant speed verses city driving. Nice video this is valuable information keep up the good work. Does putting the hho make more sense going thru the air intake verses the trying to put it in the intake manifold?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I think so. That way the plenum or carbeurator butterfly can still be used to regulate engine output by regulating how fast air is drawn in with the HHO. The cell will be held at fairly constant vacuum by the pump. Gas production regulated by a PWM connected to a throttle pot.

[hoekf]

you still have my full attention! great stuff !

[flahr1]

Seems that the more vacuum you pull the less power is required. Using a vacuum makes sense as it lowers the vapor pressure -- just like a pressure cooker raises the boiling point(or a car radiator)..Looking forward to more zff

[harpersteven]

:O videoing and driving ! LOL

[Fusion8r]

Hello ZFF, great job!...is your gauge showing vacuum from the intake manifold (engine side of the throttle body) or is it made using your venturi device?...keep it up!

Fusion8r

[ZeroFossilFuel]

HA! The venturi? I WISH! The venturi produces a max of 1"Hg (13.7" H20) @WOT, 6000RPM on my 2.2L 4-banger. Even still that's a very good vacuum signal from a venturi. It could be used to pull a water mist from a float bowl to aid in combustion cooling if I ever need it, but I don't think I will.

ICE on 100% H2O is coming. BELIEVE IT!

[brianempson]

I do

[cheepgas]

zerofossilfuel you rock i've noiced that fast let off of gas pedel will produce more gas in many of the vids i have watched.

i think ur on the right track will send abone ur way keep up the good work, your work is the best i've seen

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Thank you. I work very hard to make these videos educational, beneficial and fun.

[popeye11068]

Here's is a video on vacuum effects on a cell

I find it kind of scary , HHO gas in a membrane vacuum-pump...watch yourself.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Link please?

[popeye11068]

Funky ... forgot the link , reposted it but did'nt come trough...

Here it is ;

/watch?v=Zq_VGwkZyYI

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Ah yes, CarbideTip. This is in part what inspired my current experiments with one critical difference - I will measure the effect on production by measuring the production itself.

[crazzieg]

Another thought is a smog pump off a pre 90's car these can be had for $30 or so new. They are high volume oil less vain pumps that might pull 15 to 20". This might be more suited for it as they are almost all belted. Makes testing on the bench easy. Ya got me thinking,(ooooh it hurts)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I thought of this too but not sure it will pull enough vacuum. 20" is where it really just starts to cook. I want it to be around 25-26"Hg.

[brianempson]

Hmm, my plan was to use that vacuum pump idea with a bubbler, that way the gas is sort of 'pumped' out the bubbler and forced into the intake manifold, reguardless of manifold vacuum. As long as the pump can mantain at least 22" it should be good, at least I hope so! Heh heh. Can't wait for your video! Great work!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Go for it! The suggestion by crazzzieg below might be a good place to find a pump suited for automotive use. I will be calling junk dealers TOMORROW!

[mcpotplant]

i liked the part of the vid when you spun the tires xD

keep up the good work

[crazzieg]

Volvo and Mercedes diesels have a vacuum pump mounted on them,the older models that is. Can´t remember but one is cam driven and the other is belted both will pull 26¨ with a good volume. The junk yard has plenty and they rarely go bad.

Hope this helps keep up the good work.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Ooooh! I was wondering about something like that. THANKS! That may be our salvation.

[sweetnenita]

doesn't magdrive uses a T connector to 2 different locations on the engine just to overcome the vacuum problem?

I was watching some of his old installation videos and I think I saw something about it.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Magdrive does use a T. One to the intake manifold, one to the air duct. Nither produce enough vacuum to cause the cell to produce enough HHO to be effective.

[crazzieg]

Ditto on Stefan, looking forward for next one.

[calistofox]

hello zzf!

you are right, and in my openion the only way to that work well, is to have some bottle of hho or a litle compressor with bottle wo instead of air recieves hho from the cell!,than you have to atache to the trottle body something to close or open the pressure, like the acelarator pedal! sorry my bad englhis

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Something like that.

[sirHOAX]

Excellent Video..

Hopefully we can overcome these vacuum problems during typical operation of the engine acceleration. If we could atleast stabilize it to some degree that would be a considerable accomplishment..

Will be concluding vacuum tests myself. Best of luck with the tests.. Regards, sirHOAX

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I had considered putting a vacuum regulator between the intake manifold and cell to stabalize it but it would have be set at 7-10"Hg to do what it needs to do, not nearly high enough vacuum to be effective. Like I said below, magic doesn't really start to happen until you get to 20"Hg or more. Between 23" and 26" it gets really serious.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You know what, Stefan? I appreciate your compliments but you need to stop soliciting activity and members for your web site. There are SO MANY rotating ads there I fall asleep waiting for it to load. It's one of the reasons I hate participating there.

[sirHOAX]

Yup the advertisements are annoying as sin.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

That's right. If Stefan wants his users who aren't as fed up using his site as I am seeing my results, he can send them here to see them. I am not going out of my way to go there only to get annoyed with all his ads just so his users can have it spoon fed from a silver platter and he collect the ad revenue.

[seshkanuri]

That is what I feel too whenever I see his site. Stefan's good intentions about promotion of alternative energy aside, there are too many ads there and Stefan is overselling his site.

[Voice0fEnergy]

Interesting observations, ZFF. If the vacuum does operate exactly opposite to the ideal, couldn't an inverter of some sort solve the problem?

[mielectric1]

good deal zero, great vid, and its great to see people working together.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Ain't seen nothin yet, bro. HHO production under vacuum doesn't do much between 0"-15" Hg. That's the point of this vid. It's almost impossible to drive the car and keep the manifold vacuum high enough to make attaching the cell to the manifold really effective.

But between 15"-26", PURE MAGIC! Just wait until I show you.