UNIONS SUCK, great example: texas, two companies doing the same work i mile from each other, one has a union the other doesnt, the one were the workers have a union pay a union fee permonth, the one without a union pays no fee and earns 1:50 more per hour
@DEnumber73 dues are how the union funds itself. how else is it supposed to exist? why not take a look at the the working conditions, benefits, and job security in each of the places you are talking about? I am positive that they are not equal to each other... and why not indulge us with the names of the companies before you decide to pull an ignorant guess out of your ass so that a little truth can be had?
Why are they all so upset about what the Republicans are doing or trying to do? THEY VOTED FOR THEM! For my entire life my husband and I have voted against our own best interests. We are upper middle class, college educated people, and we ALWAYS vote for candidates who try to help the poor, the elderly, children, veterans, etc... Then these same folks turn around and vote Republican and cry when they get hurt. I give up.
Collect bargaining is not a right. I dont want people bargaining with my money. Its not an anti union bill. It prevents the Unions from bringing the price of their labor up so high that the government cant pay them. It will help people keep their jobs not take them away. If all of these people want to kepp pushing for socialism like the union leaders want. Go to China. America will be capitalist until its dies. And I sure hope that isnt soon.
Worse had anyone picked something like a bottle to throw at them they would fo been shot dead or arrested for a long time. Hyprocrites. Real clever thinking reward the same business, banks, that destroyed the economy causing 15 million people to lose jobs, with more than 300 billion dollars instead of punishing them. Not only that attack union workers and try to blame union workers. Not only that but congress keeps creating unjust laws constantly for businesses, coporations against citizens
poor union workers though I don't like unions I see why they had to form to protect their rights against corporations and businesses. However the U.S restricts people from protesting on certain areas/places so that protesting canno't have a huge impact and most of the union wokers were kicked out by police out of those places. Yet they say in libya and Egypt it was peaceful protesting though the protester invaded many restricted places and to U.S itwas okay but here they would ofbeenarrested.
To solve this all union employee that are white should give up their jobs to non whites like Blacks & Muslim families in a giving gesture.Give it to them now. Union liberals are always saying that they Black & the Muslims are their concerned and friends. Well who could really use a good job with life time benefits about right now?
Regardless of your thoughts on the issue, or on unions, or political affiliation, the fact remains that Scott Walker (and his cronies) broke the law and subverted the democratic process. What he did was akin to wiping his ass with the American flag. He should be impeached and arrested immediately, and this bill vetoed as a result.
States have used decent pension packages to compensate for average wages when attracting teachers for hire, and now it seems Wisconsin teachers will sacrifice more of their income due to the passing of this bill. This move by the Republican State Senate seemed almost Karl Rove inspired. However, it will fan the flames to recall Governor Walker an endeavor underway with an estimated 120,000 signatures to date moving toward 500,000+ signatures required in 2012. Savor your victory Mr. Walker.
It seems like it's only the Republican party governors that one a bust the unions because they got all the rich corporate people in their pockets. But it wasn't for unions we would all be working for minimal wage how are we don't have money to raise our families how are we going to pay for our mortgages are we to pay for a car payment how we pay basic necessities. The rich better start paying their fair share in taxes.
@sonofatiger interesting idea.. you still don't have a number on the "fair share" thing. I worked for minimum wage when I was in high school and never again since. I've NEVER worked for a union and I'm pretty sure that unions had nothing to do with how much money I made. The RICH pay the bulk of the bill for the entire country. 45% of the country pays NOTHING by way of income tax. is THAT fair? And you're so concerned with the few controlling peole? How any are union? 11% of the country!
@sonofatiger for that matter, if you work for minimum wage you better think TWICE about having a family and mortgage! You've got NO BUSINESS having either if you're working for minimum wage! If you haven't bettered yourself by the time you're responsible enough to breed then you're not responsible enough to do so. What you're REALLY saying is the rich need to pay YOUR fair share AND theirs. The only FAIR thing is for everyone to pay the same %. You don't want fair, you want MORE.
@sonofatiger do you believe truely that the rich don't pay taxes? Do you believe that Warren Buffet doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Michael Moore doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Al Gore doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Obama doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Bill Gates doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe THEN that none of them contribute HEAVILY to politicians? Do you believe that those politicians are not in THEIR pockets?
@sonofatiger "it seems like it's only republican party governors"... really? Cuomo is a democrat and he's about to kick the snot out of the union/unfunded liability crap too. It SEEMS that the only ones that are getting a handle on this are ones that understand when you're broke you're broke! And PLEASE will SOMOENE tell me how John Kerry has STILL managed not to pay $500,000 in yacht tax yet no one is bitching about HIM? you think anyone with any money was born with it? Look it up.
@sonofatiger self made millionaires. Look it up! They start with an idea, they get investors... you know, friends, family, loans. They put their entire lives on the line for it and if they make it work they're the bad guy? Look up the average income of republicans vs. democrats! Look up the education of them both! Look up the donating and charitable habbits of them both! What you REALLY mean to say is republicans should pay MORE than democrats because you're delusional about what ppl DO pay.
@sonofatiger LMFAO a non apologetic communist. Good! At least you're honest. Enjoy your lack of success because if you ever gained any desire to do anything other than expect someone else to pay your way, someone would be coming for you too and all of these people that WOULD have protected you won't be able to. Leach.
@sonofatiger Microsoft is a pretty big corporation. Bill Gates is a liberal. He donates heavily to politicans. He also employs UNGODLY amounts of people all over the world! He TOO gets "cheap labor" from 3rd world countries making microchips. Oh yeah, and Charlie Rangel wrote the tax code for MANY years. If the rich DEMOCRAT holding that position WANTED to he could have closed the loop holes but what did he do? He and his millions got rent controlled space and itemize to pay next to nothing.
@sonofatiger so if you want to complain, do so! But lead by example and get your OWN house in order before you start pointing fingers at what others need to do especially when you are sitting at your computer with no idea how people operate or what they contribute. You've been TOLD something and rather than finding out about it, you attack people for what you've been TOLD. Did you read the bill? No. You hear "they're taking away our RIGHTS" and you automatically jump like a poodle.
@sonofatiger in the meantime, the biggest bitch is the right to work piece. And who's bitching? The union leaders. Why? Because they know if you get to have that money in your paycheck you will more than likely not pay it to them. And the president of the teachers union is making almost 400k a year! You think THAT guy isn't looking for every loop hole? Of course he is! They'll give away everything from the teachers but just not the manditory dues. Yet that's not fishy? Use your head.
Where did the trolls come from? Teachers don't make 100k + salaries, they aren't lazy, they don't hate kids, etc. etc. etc. This is about a R-wing egotist bully who is less concerned w/governing than he is furthering the agenda of his monied private sector backers: privatize education, eliminate unions, pave the road for a Republican in Office.
@lizjewelry You mean trying to balance the massive deficit that has been accumulated over the years? How else would they balance the budget? When you come up with an answer to that, let me know genius.
Look at all these Teachers.... Protesting like Teabaggers to keep their 250k+ salary untaxed.. Oh wait.. They make 50K but are somehow much richer than CEOs that used bailouts for giant bonuses.. Guess I should watch more Hannity and O'reilly to find out how.
WOW!! all these people must be doing pretty well to be able to take all this time off work. From where I'm sitting this is no better than the NFL lockout, "millionaires fighting with billionaires". All these people need to shut, up, and go back to work!
I would like to see regulation for the rich to pay their fair share in taxes and that this does not happen that all the Republican Governors that are being influenced by it corporations and to union busting for state employees and the state police of each state should be thrown in to mental institutions because they are psychotic and harmful to the rest of society they care more about their own greedy self-worth then our nation.
@sonofatiger How much is "fair share"? I hear that all the time yet no one can put a number on it. I hear it coming from a LOT of very RICH democrats. Warren Buffet says it all the time yet he's not writing donation checks to the govt. John Kerry says it yet he's still holding onto his 1/2 million dollar yacht tax. Fat ass Michael Moore says it but he's not donating to the govt. Obama says "at some point you've made enough money" but he's got many many millions. Give me a number!
@TheJoozie Get a life. You obviously don't work very hard when you're making bullshit comments on here all day long. If you can't admit that the ultra rich are getting richer and the middle-class is disappearing you are delusional. Regardless of the cause of this phenomenon, if it continue the poor will revolt in some form of revolution. Both parties are contributing to the problem by employing former big bank guys like Summers and Geithner they are all in it together.
@bogdanmil screw you. and screw your "revolt". I grew up poor and am not poor anymore. I will absolutely KILL anyone that steps on my property with any idea of taking what I've earned. That is my right to do so. FYI I have grown my business to a point that I do not have to knock doors anymore and it's containing itself. Sorry you're jealous. I am also 7 months pregnant and CHOOSE not to wear myself out driving 200 miles a day at this time. fuck off.
@TheJoozie Nice mouth. I'm sure that you will teach your child to be just as classy. Who's talking about stealing your all so precious 'stuff''. I'm not jealous of you or ANYTHING you have. So but you were OK with the bank bailouts and those that did get bailed out giving executives bonuses. Sorry to burst your bubble but I doubt that you are Ultra rich. Your coutry will continue its downward spiral if you can';t create decent paying jobs for the middle-class.
@bogdanmil I never said I was "ultra rich". What do you think a "revolt" of the poor results in? Do you not know history? It has ALWAYS resulted in the stealing from one to give to another (which was always to a government), culling of a population, and ended in some pretty desperate poverty for EVERYONE. Being that you aren't here, you don't really know what's going on. There's a lot more to this than you understand. Try worrying about Canada for a while eh?
A fine product of American capitalism you are. If you took away all your material possessions, which I assume is all you live for, you are nothing but a dumb downed waste product of modern society. Unless you are the CEO of Wal-Mart or a major bank, your business isn't going to last long. Have fun being poor again soon.
P.S. You have no right to kill anyone on your property, even if they do have the intent to steal, or literally do steal from you. Read up on your laws.
@nikeskater416 LMFAO I definately do not live for possessions but I don't need to go into any of that with the likes of you. P.S. every state has different laws on property protection. And as far as I'm concerned, I don't know or care why someone is coming into my home without me opening the door. It's going to end very badly for someone. And I AM a fine product of capitalism! Capitalism is a matrix, not a pyramid. You can start with nothing and get to the top. Gotta WORK for it.
It's a shame private insurance corporations own public schools in capitalist societies, because the people can't spell worth shit. They're too busy reinforcing ideas in your head instead of giving you any free or independent thought. Now, you good little zombie, you think the janitor at your high school is trying to make it to the top still? I'm sure he works his ass off everyday, but not everyone can be on top, especially with the rapid population growth. Waaaaaake up!
@nikeskater416 zombie. nice. tired word often used by people that have a limited vocabulary or experience in the world. Similar to racist. Typos bother you? I wouldn't know what a janitor is doing or wanting. Haven't been in highschool in decades. Not everyone CAN be on top but everyone has the opportunity to be if they want. And if you never make it beyond ditch digger, be the best ditch digger you can be!
Would "blind, over consuming, ignorant, arrogant, close minded, overindulging extremist" be a better one for you? I can use an extensive amount of vocabulary for your responses if you'd like, but this is a Youtube comment, I really don't care, just as you don't care about using proper capitalization or complete sentences. No lol, not everyone has the opportunity. You think a fatherless child from the south side of Chicago has the same opportunity as Bush's children? Dream on.
@nikeskater416 I love the "over consuming"! If you only knew how little we consumed. We are the kind of peole that PISS Michael Moore off. We HOARD the money! overindulging... LOL I get a great big kick out of shit like that. I'm certainly not ignorant and have a pretty open mind. I have voted republican, democrat, and independent. I vote for the person with the best plan. In the case of the democratic primary, I voted for the wrong democrat. Clinton's mandate turned me off. And look! LOL
I'm going to summarize this into a one comment argument again lol, my phone is going crazy with angry Youtube comments. 1st, I respect the mindset you have for protecting your family, but in reality our societies passion of killing is something we should have evolved from thousands of years ago. 2nd, Obama's father grew up in a extremely wealthy section of Kenya. 3rd, I'm glad you're not a one party person, but they are all the same scumbags to me. They all have the same agenda.
@nikeskater416 wait.. I take that back... I don't vote for the person with the best plan. I vote for the person that SOUNDS like he has the best plan. Haven't seen a good plan in a long time.
@nikeskater416 oh yeah, and tell me again how I can't kill someone that comes into my home...What law says I can't? Ever heard of castle laws? Stand your ground laws? I'm covered. Too bad you didn't think that far ahead.
I don't know, tell me why I can't shoot Jehovah's witnesses in the face for walking on my property. I don't know them, they have mind changing influence they are trying to push on to me and my family! (Satire, if you didn't catch that, I know you didn't). Shoot the milkman law sound familiar? You should read up on the own laws you abide by, before a child playing in front of your house gets his head blown off by a crazy paranoid old man.
@nikeskater416 someone knocking on your door is not the same as invading your home uninvited. And you know it. I'm sure there are a lot of crazy paranoid old men out there but a law isn't going to stop them from killing a kid if that's what they're going to do. I'm not even 40, a woman, wife, mother, business owner. I will absolutely kill someone that has intruded on my home. I am within the law to do so and EVEN if I wasn't, I'd still do it. My home and family come before anything else.
@nikeskater416 so I'm trying to find "private insurance corporations own public schools" and I can't put my hands on anything like that... will you direct me to that information? If that is the case, I can't understand why we're paying taxes for the schools to stay open and teachers' salaries. also, you would think if that was the case that teachers would teach capitalist principles rather than encouraging them to carry signs and chant hey hey ho ho with them...
You haven't been in high school in decades, so i'm arguing with an "old school" type of guy then, right? So i'm basically arguing with a child right now. Someone who was fooled by bright lights and thousand dollar suits during his childhood, who still thinks multimillionaire politicians give a shit about him. Or, someone who would know who owns the school and prison system. There's more than a couple of guys that own and run the government, atleast I think.
@nikeskater416 and this is your response to the school system question? thought so. You have nothing. I have never been interested in bright lights and armani suits, sorry buddy. And Obama's daddy ran back to kenya yet he turned out quite well, I think? Everyone has the same shot, some have to work harder for it. Who wants to do that though, right? And do I think politicians care? A couple of them, sure but that's about it. Kerry still owes 500k but he "cares" right? LOL NO! VERY FEW care.
@nikeskater416 "For example, we said from the start that it was going to be important for us to be consistent in saying to people if you can have your -- if you want to keep the health insurance you got, you can keep it, that you're not going to have anybody getting in between you and your doctor in your decision making. And I think that some of the provisions that got snuck in might have violated that pledge." - Obama
@TheJoozie I have a good grasp of whats going on in your country.I visit there frequently.I can tell you that your country is in far worse economic shape than mine.Primarily because our government regulates the banking industry and didn't allow them to sell bullshit mortgages to those that couldn't afford them .They just lowered limited mortgages to 30 years in duration.I'm not saying that revolt is a good thing. I'm saying thats the whats going to happen if the middle-class continues to vanish.
@bogdanmil you're such a quirky canadian. You visit so you know what's going on here. okay! good to know that's all it takes! Your govt didn't "allow"... good for you. our govt FORCED the mortgages. The DEMOCRATS pushed it. It was originally implemented by Carter and was EXPANDED by Clinton. Bush tried to get teh GSEs fixed SEVENTEEN TIMES during his administration. But you knew that, since you visit.
@TheJoozie Your govn't didn't force ANYONE to sell mortgages in a fraudulent manner or force uninfomed/ignorant Americans to buy homes that they couldn't afford. Both political parties had a hand in creating this mess. Encouraging Americas to live on credit because its good for the wealthy and the ignorant masses took the bait hook line and sinker. Lets borrow money on the small amount of equity I have in my house. The repugnant party had the power to repeal these laws but they chose not to.
@bogdanmil oh right.. you visit so you have a handle on what's happening here. I keep forgetting.. you visit. The govt didn't force people to make stupid decisions. The govt forced the banks to lend to unqualified, under qualified, and low income buyers. In order to compensate for the bad loans banks would charge higher rates, but that was DISCRIMINITORY!
@TheJoozie Once again you're wrong. Nobody forced the banks to give out these loans the gov't 'ALLOWED" them to and they were happy to take peoples money, then they rolled up all these high risk loans and sold them to other greedy bastards and claimed them as assets to make even more money. Once the people statring defaulting the house of cards collapsed.
@bogdanmil I'm so THANKFUL that a canadian knows the ins and outs of American govt regulation! I'm so thankful that you're in banking! We can go round and round about this and you can believe what you want but the FACTS are that the CRA DID force banks to make loans to people that otherwise would not have qualified. The loan quotas were considered in an institution's application for deposit facilities. Irrational lending procedures were forced on institutions and REWARDED by govt bodies.
@bogdanmil Under the CRA banks must convince a set of bureaucrazies that they are not engaging in discrimination. A charge that the act encourages any CRA recongized community group to bring forward! (Otherwise any merger or expansion would likely be denied) Discrimination consists of "arbitrary or outdated criteria" which include most of the essentials of responsible lending: income level, income verification, credit history and savings history. GOOD risk factors.
@bogdanmil . In a FREE market, lending large amounts of money to low-income, low-credit borrowers with no down payment would quickly prove disastrous. the Federal Reserve Board's inflationary policy of artificially low interest rates made investing in subprime loans extraordinarily profitable. the inflationary housing boom meant homeowners rarely defaulted... so long as housing prices went up, even the worst-credit borrowers could always sell or refinance.
@bogdanmil Concerns about the possibility of mass defaults and foreclosures were assuaged by an administration whose president declared: "We want everybody in America to own their own home." And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are GSEs that are PUBLICALLY traded entities which bundled and securitized those loans and sold them off as well. no one is BLAMELESS but the govt getting involved through the CRA, GSEs and FED's REGULATION is the crux of the problem.
@bogdanmil the banks played by the rules and then were thrown under the bus so assholes could get elected by demonizing them while ignoring that the govt is what got us into the mess in the first place. THAT is where the ignorant/lazy/uniformed Americans come into play. They jumped on the big bad bank bandwagon and just like YOU ignore the part the govt played in creating the problem in the first place. When there was LACK of regulation it was sound but the "poor" couldn't buy. DUH!
@bogdanmil and to say "the repugnant" party had the power to repeal these laws... silly. When was it that they HAD this "power"? The last time republicans had the majority was 1994. Super majority? Can't locate that EVER. It takes 2/3 to get a law repealed. So tell me mr. canada, when have the republicans had 2/3 in both houses? STFU already. And just bc someone is "republican" doesn't mean he/she is conservative. But you know everything about America... with your hall pass. LMFAO STFU.
@TheJoozie Once again,NICE mouth.You're a class act.NOT!You said that Carter started all this crap.I believe that he was in power prior to 1994.Wasn't your hero Reagan in power after carter. What did he do to fix it? what did Bush senior do to fix it? Stop trying to blame it all on the DEMs both parties have a hand in this and senators from both sides of the isle got rich before the house of cards collapsed.When did the dems have a supermajority to make these laws some of your repugnants helped
@bogdanmil LOL you're so funny for a canadian. Probably a national treasure! Carter DID start this crap. It started in '77. NIce try. The CRA was pretty basic until Clinton expanded it. There was no need for Reagan to touch it. No need for Bush Sr. to touch it. And again, get with the program. 2/3 majority to repeal a law. Democrats got the super majority in 2006 PRIOR to the collapse. It should have been repealed, both sides did wrong. But again, fools like you blame wrong people.
@bogdanmil I'm not an idiot. I am aware of republican misconduct and have NO problem finding someone else to vote for which is why primaries here are so important. Just because someone says they are republican doesn't mean they are conservative. I have voted for democrats that are more conservative than some of the republicans running. I despise a liberal or "progressive" republican. More so than a democrat that is openly "generous" with someone else's money!
@bogdanmil keep your focus on YOUR p.o.s. country and I'll keep my focus here, k? You're an asshole, YES I said it, ASSHOLE and I don't rightly give a rat's rear end that you think it's "classy, NOT". You're an idiot that sits in canada, reads pieces of a statement and doesn't even BOTHER to research it. You think your simpleton vacations to good weather make you an American expert. FUCK OFF
@TheJoozie I'll focus on whatever I choose to focus on. tyvm.Please continue to show your lack of class, arrogance and hatred towards anyone that disagres with you. It shows your true colors and provides some insight as to why your country is so messed up.You and folks like you focus on hating and blaming rather than focusing on fixing the problems and mending fences. I'm very happy and very proud of my country and I think you live in a great country as well inspite of haters such as yourself.
@bogdanmil LOL that's the pot calling the kettle black! What would you have the general public do to "fix" or "mend"? I say no one is blameless but yet I'm playing the blame game while YOU throw Bush Bush Bush Bush.. like it's the only word in your vocabulary. And yes, I hate people that say they are one thing and prove to be another. And yes, I hate people that say "I visit" and think they know our laws. The only people that argue what a law IS and SAYS are ppl that don't read it... (you)
@TheJoozie I think I mentioned Bush ONCE!! Your seem to be well informed but closed minded and full of hate. It must suck to be angry all the time. Unlike you I've never claimed to be an expert. What did I say I was? Don't lawyers constantly argue what a law is or says. Go back to your couch and watch more FAUX news.
@bogdanmil poor little canook. You have nothing other than telling me what I feel, how I think or where I get my information. "FAUX" news. I'm sure I've said it a dozen times in here but I'll say it one LAST. I get my information from several sources and if it comes from TV I look it up and research it before believing anything a talking head tells me. I'm not angry OR full of hate. My life is full of things other than UNinformed and bitter canadians or FAUX conservatives. done canook. bye.
@TheJoozie I'm not bitter nor do I need sympathy from a selfish, arrogant hater suck as yourself. BTW genious it's canuck not canook. Although I shouldn't be surprised since many American ignorant of anything outside of their own backyard.
Bbye ugly american
P.S. Hang on tight to your beloved shrinking dollar.
@bogdanmil yes, I know how to spell CANOOK. I love that it pissed you off. By the way, that hockey team sucks donkey balls. and it's GENIUS, while you're on the subject of spelling something (especially a nick name) correctly. I'll hang on to my dollar while you can hang onto your LOON. Fits.
@TheJoozie Not that I cheer for them but the Canucks are the best team in the league right now. To return to your level I'm not pissed off at all, you arrogant angry cunt. Did I spell that correctly?
@bogdanmil groovy. I'm glad you have such great impulse control after being so "tolerent" of my points of view. Bottom line is you DON'T know what you're talking about when it comes to our housing bubble. Not your fault, you're in CANADA and I would HOPE that you have other things to concern yourself with. So, since you DON'T know what you're talking about, sit in your basement and root for the unions and any hockey team you like. I don't care. You're a non issue for me OR my country.
@bogdanmil ACORN brags about getting laws passed which outlaw such fees, prohibiting banks from protecting themselves from the added risk involved in making forced loans to "subprime" borrowers. The Fed-created an explosion in housing prices, many thousands of subprime borrowers no longer qualified, by a long stretch, for conventional mortgages based on their incomes. The only way they could get the loan was to take an adjustable rate which was VERY low (again the Fed) that would ADJUST.
@bogdanmil The Fed's enforcement of CRA along with pressure from groups (like ACORN) and its post 9/11 monetary policy in general are the reasons for the bursting real estate bubble and the "subprime" mortgage meltdown. so ... blame who you want. It doesn't change the facts. The govt caused it and it definately wasn't GW. It began with Carter and was expanded under Clinton. Bush tried 17 times to fix the problem but lobbyists and the Fed nixed it.
@bogdanmil and a comment a week ago makes me on here all day long huh? ANYHOO... I'm gonna go find ANOTHER home to buy tomorrow in NJ. I like the new Governor and I'm going to support him by buying a home here and paying higher taxes than the state I live in now. ; ) there's you taxes. choke on them.
@sonofatiger let's also keep in mind that someone making 25k thinks that the 100k guy doesn't pay his fair share. The 100k guy thinks the 250k guy doesn't pay his fair share and so on. The only thing that's FAIR is getting what you pay for. As a consumer when you buy a product and are not satisfied you can get your money back. What is the taxpayer's recourse against public service that isn't satisfactory?
@sonofatiger that is where this bill comes in. This union can bargain for pay up to the consumer price index. If they want to get MORE than that, they have to ask the public. The taxpayer. The employer. The consumer. How can it be called collective bargaining when the one paying the bill gets no say in the matter? With all the "support" these people are getting, I'm SURE if they say "graduation rate has increased by X% and we want X$" but it should be based on merrit, not time served.
@sonofatiger LOL Can you say "general electric"? no income taxes and now Immelt is the "jobs czar". groovy. And I'll ask you this and hope you can answer, since no one else can. "fair share" is a term that is thrown around like a rag doll... what is a "fair share"? and what is "rich"? I hear millionaires then taxes are highest at 250k. Big difference between 250k and $1M. How much should ONE person pay for the SAME services as another?
i feel so sorry for obama because i see whats going on..this was planned from the very beginning just like 9/11..the Illuminati never wanted a black man as president however they made him look so good in the media that even racist red necks voted for him..but now they are destroying him by making it "seem" like he cant run america and can't control foreign turmoil (libya)..thus making him appear weak and not qualified..the plan is to make america regret they elected a "nigger"
@gogitta25 ohhhhhhh.... no no no. first of all, the "illumati" have bailed out on all of this long long ago. They've handed the torch over years ago. And there's nothing obama can do about the middle east. Watch this: when wikileaks drops a piece on a country ... watch when it goes viral IN THAT COUNTRY.... Saudi Arabia is next. There is no country in the middle east other than Israel that is not ON FIRE right now. Libya is the least of the worries.
@gogitta25 you are correct.. it is planned. but it's not by who you think it is. this is bottom up, inside out then top down plan. The saddest thing is that we have been put into a position where we have to take drastic measures to sustain the present and HOPEFULLY the future. They counted on that.
The Internet is being used to revolutionize societies. Tell your Congressman to rewrite the “Employee Freedom of Choice Act” so it uses the Internet to allow workers to request and conduct union votes DIRECTLY with the NLRB. Truly secret votes where employers can’t identify and fire organizers. Force employers to bargain with unions 30 days after a successful vote. Bring in an arbitrator 30 days later if no contract is in place. In 2012 VOTE for Obama, House & Senate majorities and pass it!
@Babylauncher3000 and actually, no. one on one this president loses left and right. "let me be clear" "what I've said and always have said"... yet he has broken nearly every promise he made other than "fundamentally transforming America" and the people that wanted this "change" never got it defined by him and now they're very upset by the "change" he has affected. The democrats can't do anything but pick on Bush 2 years later! Even TODAY Pelosi talked out of her ass on Bush. She lied!
THERE IS NO “FAIR” WAGE FOR TEACHERS. The closest we can come is that wage structure produced from negotiations between a strong teachers union and a powerful government body. Pitting a SINGLE employee against a powerful state government or a multi-national corporation is laughingly unfair. Only through COLLECTIVE bargaining between these entities can something approaching a “fair” wage be reached.
@1293drive you tell me, what's FAIR for a teacher that works 192 days a year to get paid? Prior to unions coming into teaching, we were NUMBER ONE in education. Now we're 28th. Pay is higher, everything is more cush and our kids are graduating at lower rates. Bad teachers can't be fired and good ones can't keep their jobs because of the tenured ones! What's fair about that? What's fair about "the rich" paying more for YOUR kids to get taught nothing and drop out?
@TheJoozie Teachers do a MUCH more important job than processing 'non cash payments' so they deservre more money than you.. I think that the decline in education has more to do with poor parenting and a lack of funding for schools than poor teaching. Many parents these days are more concerned about keeping up with the Jones's than they are raising their children. Part of it is that both parents work in many households so the parents jusy aren't there to support the children like they use to.
@bogdanmil LOL sure... here's the deal. I don't do my job, I don't get paid. How you can justify the graduation rate with the pay is beyond me. There is no DOUBT that teaching is an important job, however, the unions here make it impossible to get rid of bad teachers because of tenure. They are guaranteed a job and that's not right. My daughter is 2 1/2 and she her reading and comprehension is that of a 6 year old. It doesn't take much time spent to achieve that.
@bogdanmil well let's see... you can start by looking at a school's success rate. Do they have a 40% graduation rate? Or 90%? Are the kids testing at proficient levels, or not? Something that happens with anything that is "for profit"... the customer determines if they are getting satisfactory service. If they are not, they take their business elsewhere. It is motivation to succeed. When you're getting paid NO MATTER WHAT, you do not guard your service as well.
@frio109 Oh enlighten one, go watch Fox news and continue to believe that the world is 6000 years old, prsident Obama is a Muslim and is not eligible to be president and all liberals are communists in disguise.
@TheJoozie Dubyas “No Child Left Behind” educational policy, has marked an intensification of the assault on public education for the majority of the population. The program, which sets performance benchmarks for public schools, entails punitive measures, up to and including the shutdown of schools that fail to “perform.” It has gone hand in hand with government subsidies of various kinds for private schools and for-profit schools that drain resources from urban public school districts.
@bogdanmil If the govt is going to pay (one way or another) for the education of kids, why not pay the ones that are producing educated kids? You don't agree with performance standards? you don't agree with punitive measures for failure? Oh of course you don't! You think time is what people should be paid for, not results. I'm unaware of private schools that have metal detectors at the gates either. Bottom line is private schools produce better results and money is not the reason.
@bogdanmil the govt gave Kansas City schools a blank check because they kept saying it was the lack of money that caused kids to fail at such an alarming rate. They had UNLIMITED funds. They all got raises, new schools, new books, computers, pools, tennis courts, gyms, etc. I hope I don't have to drop the shoe and tell you how they're doing now with their new supplies and pay raises. A really good friend of mine is a GOOD grade school teacher in a BAD area. She makes about 35k (cont)
@bogdanmil she's been at that same school for 15 years or so. Others put their time in and then leave to a better area but she stays. She teaches 2nd grade. When they get to her they are still at K level. She brings them up and sends them on. Why does she earn the same as the K and 1st grade teachers that FAILED in their job? Because the teachers union says so. They say "X years makes X dollars" while she performs at higher levels than her counterparts she makes the same $. But that's fair.
@bogdanmil how funny that you have no response suddenly to my posts! What's the problem? Can't justify someone not wanting to pay for failure of students? Can't justify Kansas City's blank check and NO improvement? Can you justify the president of the teachers union making nearly 400k a year but willing to give up EVERYTHING except for their mandatory dues? Come on old man! You've been around the block, explain this to me rationally! Help me understand!
@TheJoozie I have a life life outside of computer land. Bad teachers should be ousted but the problem is bigger than teachers unions. Obviously blindly throwing money at it isn't the answer either. Explain to me how busting teachers unions will magically help kids to learn.
@bogdanmil uh huh... first, making a union VOLUNTARY isn't "busting" it. It's making it VOLUNTARY. forcing someone to be in a union to have a job should be completely illegal. Here ya go.. you want to teach. You are qualified. You have the degree and teaching credential. but, sorry... if you don't want to pay dues to someone to make nearly 400k a year and donate MILLIONS of dollars to politicians, well... you can't work HERE. We are not required to be part of the "collective" or "borg".
@TheJoozie I hear lots of complaining but no answers on how to fix it. Busting the unions will not fix the problem. You sound more concerned about money than you do about educating children. You complain about the 400k a union leader gets, how about CEO's of big companies getting 10s of millions of dollars is that fair? Are you equally concerned about the influence that big business buys from the government?
@bogdanmil no matter how many times you say "busting" doesn't make it so. No one is "busting" the union but even if they WERE, leaving it the way it is isn't going to get anyone a better education either. In fact, since the D.O.E. was formed and unions came into play, the education across the country has taken a trip down the toilet. That is an undeniable fact. As for businesses, free market without govt interference... I don't give a shit what they make! it's not SUPPOSED to be taxpayer money.
@bogdanmil If these people keep repeating the mantra that it isn't about the money, then why am I not allowed to be concerned with the money? The union does nothing TO educate our kids. Walker has a plan to evaluate teachers INDIVIDUALLY and give them raises or get rid of them accordingly. When I worked FOR someone, I certainly didn't want MY pay based on the merrit or lack of merrit of someone else. Yes, I have a problem with companies having influence on govt the way they do.
@bogdanmil G.E. is a great example of that today! Stimulus money, convicted of defrauding the taxpayer several times, CEO is now in the obama adminstration. Seems like a huge conflict of interest, no? The employees of G.E. do not PAY to work there. If they want to individually donate their money out of their checks to politics, they are free to do so. If the company wants to donate, they too are free to do so because the money (in theory) is coming from profits from their PRIVATE business.
@bogdanmil this is about the budget. there seems to be some sort of disconnect with you and the process of balancing a check book. Walker ran his campaign on balancing the budget WITHOUT raising taxes. That is what he was hired to do and unlike some previous politicians he is at least attempting to do what he was hired to do. Where do you think the money comes FROM? Is there some mythical money tree that you go to when you run out of money? Is that tree businesses that EMPLOY people?
@bogdanmil My state is cutting 500 million in education. School districts will be required to spend what they take in. Some will say that's not fair yet others are willing to pay higher local property taxes to fund the programs that they don't want cut out of schools. A home or a business running in the red will go bankrupt. We can't print more money and call it a fluffy word like deficit. When a state runs out of $ where does it go? To our federal govt that's 223BILLION in the red THIS MONTH?
@bogdanmil if bargaining is a "right" then it's also the "right" of the taxpayer to decide if they want to pay more than the cost of living in wages. And IF the kids are coming out behind, as for example 4th grade kids in Wisconsin, what is the union doing to TEACH them? Nothing. So the taxpayer is a) not in position to determine pay for their teachers b) getting an inferior service and c) going broke doing so. If the eduation level stays the same, why go broke for it?
@bogdanmil if I sent her to public school when she is old enough she would be PUT back intellectually. There's no options for people in that area. All I'm saying is THIS is what we can afford and there's no way around it. The money isn't there, it isn't there. I guess we could just lay off 1/2 of them to continue to pay what's being paid. And then people would be bitching about the class size. Although, my 80 yr old neighbor was in a 1 rm school with 60/1 ratio and they all learned more.
@bogdanmil Our soldiers DESERVE more pay too! But where is the money? Cops make less than teachers and they put their lives on the line every day but where's the money? It's NOT THERE. I guess when YOU run out of money you just borrow it or look to someone to supply it. We've done that and it doesn't work. Regardless of what you THINK I deserve, I am earning what I am worth according to the business I bring in. And I am solely responsible for my retirement and health.
@bogdanmil I'm glad you continue to call me names. It shows your ass. Businesses go overseas because the business climate is friendlier. We can't force a business to stay in the USA when they are punished over and over again. They ARE going to avoid those taxes no matter what so why not keep them here with better practice to keep the jobs rather than feeling entitled to it? This administration has it backwards. You want more money? We need more people working, not a few paying more.
Great video ,Some Cities just wont lie down, France has Marseilles, Italy has Naples, England has Liverpool, Now the USA has Wisconsin .... God bless you Madison.
"everyone has an opportunity to lift THEMSELVES out of poverty through hard work. "
Poverty has nothing to do with hard work. Most people spend their lives working hard but end up barely surviving day by day. The problem is who owns the resources? If a giant corporate capitalist decides to lay off their staff because of mismanagement then what choice does that worker really have?
Your assumptions are simply unfounded and have no statistical basis.
@kingmafi6699 what choice does the worker have? DO SOMETHING ELSE! Stop pigeon holing yourselves! I used to work for someone, I no longer do. When you work FOR someone, you are going to earn what you agree on. you do not have the right to demand more unless you are worth so much more that someone else will gladly pay you more. It's competition! YOU are the product when you are hourly. How many self employed people are there? How many self made millionaires? MORE than union workers.
naturally we are jealous of those with a guaranteed pension for life, cush wages, cost of living raises, little or no out of pocket for health insurance or pension, full retirement at 55, and the job security. not like the rest of us who lost our nest eggs in the great recession, especially the elders, and will never be able to retire. Especially since their bene's come from our pockets. They need to come down to our level more. Although maybe not lose most of their bargaining rights
Society is a collective of individuals. Even in your capitalist system the workforce works as a collective in order to build a commodity. The notion that we are just individuals and everyone else doesn't matter is simply an illusion. If your heart wanted to work but then your brain chose to stop working then you'd rot away in a day.
Unions are the conscious of the workforce against exploitation. You can never destroy this conscious ever.
@kingmafi6699 you are way off base. Unions are not the "CONSCIENCE" of the workforce against exploitation. That may have been true once upon a time when people allowed themselves to be walked on HOWEVER that is not the case any longer. Unions were created to get better working conditions and fair wage. Most union workers make more than what the rest of the country would consider "fair". And conditions, there are laws now. done. Mission accomplished.
@kingmafi6699 Pensions were offered originally because during the DEPRESSION companies couldn't pay what the job was worth TODAY but promised to pay later when the economy picked up. So they worked for LESS hourly up front. Is that the case today? No. They get paid MORE up front and MORE on the back end. While union leaders golf on their own private UNION golf courses and travel to china and other countries to consult them! "workers of the world UNITE"
@kingmafi6699 the cry babies in the USA want to tax the rich and make them pay MORE! okay... great. When these unions merge with other countries YOU will be the ones paying more. The job of the union is equal pay for equal work, right? Let's throw Inida or China into the mix like Andy Stern is doing. Do you think China is suddenly going to earn 50k a year? no. It WILL level out but the USA will be the ones that lose out. We are not a collective. We ARE individuals.
Unions were a response to the greed of big business. When big business held the power, it took every selfish advantage. And given a chance, it would do it again. It is just that today, the unions have swung full circle and become the bigger problem. This is only the beginning and the protesting is going to get violent. The union members will do anything to keep what they have and will become dangerous. History repeats itself. It's human nature.
@bogdanmil and why do you think businesses move to canada? BETTER BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT. Why do you think they move to India? All of these countries are grateful to have business there providing jobs but not here! We buy everything from overseas anyway! People buy VERY LITTLE actually made here. As soon as a company moves, sales even go up! What would YOU do? Stick around, lose profit margins, go bankrupt, take a bail out? You can't do business that way.
@bogdanmil and when you don't have cash on you... and you write a cheque or use a credit card...I bet you'd think it was pretty important if you couldn't make your house payment, or buy something! LOL I see people get pissed off every DAY when they can't use their card (credit OR debit) somewhere. When a terminal is down I am called RELENTLESSLY because that store is losing business which cuts its bottom line which cuts the ability to pay employees. things you don't see.
If the "Green Bay Slackers" worked half as hard at teaching as they do at protesting maybe then our national level of education wouldn't be as poor as it is.
Jakepod34......you wrote to me, @dacmiller Greedy pigs just because we work hard????? Screw you! You are just a jealous low life that has nothing left to criticize but yourself!
It would be easy to come back with my own hate and rage but it would do no good. You are obviously upset and in a lot pain. I hope you can get better and not hurt yourself or anyone around you. Good luck.
@dacmiller I deleted my comment because I thought you were talking about the non union members. I tried to delete it but obviously it went through so sorry about that. I am against unions, I just misunderstood what you were talking about. Again, my apologizes.
to all of those who believe in the unions and are protesting, please watch this video on youtube, the title is "" I told you we could prove sorros obama and the communists of america were behind the protest"" please watch this and do your own research and see the truth. This is all a plan to bring american down. Please see what is really going on and that the protesters are just falling into a trap that is set to divide america until it falls.
Unions! BS! FIRE the selfish spoiled whiners. Collective bargaining ..AKA.. cycle of i get unsustainable pensions and democrats get the votes... bankrupting the state.FIRE them!!! OK FINE! make the RICH pay their fair share...Oh! wait the top 5% of the rich already pay over 50% of taxes… We don’t need to pay Unions leaders so they can hand over are money to the DEMS. IM looking for a teaching job and I will work FOR the people and try to help the states balance there budget.
@claysurfer78 very quickly, where are you getting this number that the top 5% pay over 50% of taxes? If you're looking for a teaching job, the only way to help your state balance the budget is to not be paid. Sorry, but no state is going to be hiring a new teacher when they're firing all their old ones.
Protiip - You can't have unions spending taxpayer money (dues from publicly funded teachers) t buy off politicians who then turn around and give them more taxpayer money. That's not how Democracy works.
Protiip - You can't have unions spending taxpayer money (dues from publicly funded teachers) t buy off politicians who then turn around and give them more taxpayer money. That's not how Democracy works.
Protiip - You can't have unions spending taxpayer money (dues from publicly funded teachers) t buy off politicians who then turn around and give them more taxpayer money. That's not how Democracy works.
These corporate worms are just trying to convince you that turning against policeman, firefighters, highway workers, teachers etc is good for the economy.
And you are simply stupid enough to buy that.
When you understand that it is the top 5% that are destroying the wealth then you might just might have better logic.
I'm a public employee. I'm NOT the problem. Police Officers, Teachers, EMTs, Firefighters, Nurses, Highway workers, etc. are NOT the enemy. The RICH who are stoking this crisis are pitting middle class families against each other while demonizing us, your neighbors. We LIVE here, PAY taxes, and WORK HARD to support our families.
Unions have gained way too much power. I used to support unions, but they have become corrupt and that's why our economy is falling behind. Now, all they care about is money. That's why America is failing economically. Unions should be allowed, but strikes should not be. Balancing the budget is not easy, and people need to start understanding that deficits have consequences! Why am I the only one that understands this???
@Jakepod34 Unions are ARE NOT the problem!! You're swallowing rightwing propaganda hook line and sinker. Why are people so willing to say that the working (union) man is getting paid too much but you rarely complain about the fact that CEO and high level executive salaries have increased exponentially over the 40 years. In 1965 a CEO earned 24 times the average worker in 2000 it increased to 531 times. Where is the outrage???
@bogdanmil I'm not saying that unions in general are bad. I'm saying that some unions take advantage of their privileges and use the system in the wrong way. Again, I'm not saying they are bad, but unions are the reason that US items cost more than other places on earth.... because of all the money that we put into our workers and union leaders. China is dominating the world market because they don't have greedy union leaders on their asses day in and day out. Its the leaders, not the workers.
@Jakepod34 There are unionized employees that some people would consider to be overrpaid but to say that they are the reason that China is dominating the world market is a overly simplistic explaination. Firstly, In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
members of a union--was 11.9 percent.. The fact is that wages for laborers in China are a fraction of the MINIMUM wage in the US. An average Chinese wage of $0.57 per hour -- or $104 per month.
@Jakepod34 Thats the point !!!! So stop believing the bullshit that Rush 'the pill head' Limbaugh and the repugnants are spewing. Trying to blame unions for rthe poor economy.
@bogdanmil First off, I am a moderate and I think rush is crazy. Second, stop believing everything the left tells you!!! I think it is so funny how democrats think that republicans are so brainwashed, but refuse to believe that they are too! Who do you listen to, rachel 'madcow,' keith olbermann, chris matthews? The liberals are as crazy as the right wingers! And I was never blaming the union for the economy... I was saying that unions are crippling our ability to bounce back.
@Jakepod34 'Crippling' thats crap. Just scapegoats. THe middleclass has been diappearing at tthe same time are unions are shrinking. Yet the rich just get richer and the middle class gets poorer I guess that's the fault of unions as well. Keith Oberman'a a blowhard. Rachel Madow is pretty smart and sensible from what I have seen but I'm Canadian so I don't get Fox news or msnbc very often.
Republicans fear the Middle Class, the last group with enough power and money to stop them.
In the third world, the Middle Class is the first group that the right wing eliminates.
pollclaire 7 months ago
UNIONS SUCK, great example: texas, two companies doing the same work i mile from each other, one has a union the other doesnt, the one were the workers have a union pay a union fee permonth, the one without a union pays no fee and earns 1:50 more per hour
DEnumber73 9 months ago
@DEnumber73 dues are how the union funds itself. how else is it supposed to exist? why not take a look at the the working conditions, benefits, and job security in each of the places you are talking about? I am positive that they are not equal to each other... and why not indulge us with the names of the companies before you decide to pull an ignorant guess out of your ass so that a little truth can be had?
Rager611 7 months ago
Why are they all so upset about what the Republicans are doing or trying to do? THEY VOTED FOR THEM! For my entire life my husband and I have voted against our own best interests. We are upper middle class, college educated people, and we ALWAYS vote for candidates who try to help the poor, the elderly, children, veterans, etc... Then these same folks turn around and vote Republican and cry when they get hurt. I give up.
joinrevolution 10 months ago
Collect bargaining is not a right. I dont want people bargaining with my money. Its not an anti union bill. It prevents the Unions from bringing the price of their labor up so high that the government cant pay them. It will help people keep their jobs not take them away. If all of these people want to kepp pushing for socialism like the union leaders want. Go to China. America will be capitalist until its dies. And I sure hope that isnt soon.
poofy917 10 months ago
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Crush the unions! We have had enough of the fat lazy dumb proud attitude of the bankrupting parasites!
Get a job and a business and work my friends! Or you can try and move to socialist Greece and join one of their bankrupt unions!
EF2000CanFly 11 months ago
Worse had anyone picked something like a bottle to throw at them they would fo been shot dead or arrested for a long time. Hyprocrites. Real clever thinking reward the same business, banks, that destroyed the economy causing 15 million people to lose jobs, with more than 300 billion dollars instead of punishing them. Not only that attack union workers and try to blame union workers. Not only that but congress keeps creating unjust laws constantly for businesses, coporations against citizens
dreadmiserable 11 months ago
poor union workers though I don't like unions I see why they had to form to protect their rights against corporations and businesses. However the U.S restricts people from protesting on certain areas/places so that protesting canno't have a huge impact and most of the union wokers were kicked out by police out of those places. Yet they say in libya and Egypt it was peaceful protesting though the protester invaded many restricted places and to U.S itwas okay but here they would ofbeenarrested.
dreadmiserable 11 months ago
the americans are waking up....we are with you from your brother in canada
yappertrap 11 months ago
To solve this all union employee that are white should give up their jobs to non whites like Blacks & Muslim families in a giving gesture.Give it to them now. Union liberals are always saying that they Black & the Muslims are their concerned and friends. Well who could really use a good job with life time benefits about right now?
ISUCN 11 months ago
@ISUCN WTF are you talking about?
bogdanmil 11 months ago
Regardless of your thoughts on the issue, or on unions, or political affiliation, the fact remains that Scott Walker (and his cronies) broke the law and subverted the democratic process. What he did was akin to wiping his ass with the American flag. He should be impeached and arrested immediately, and this bill vetoed as a result.
SatanicFilmHouse 11 months ago
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States have used decent pension packages to compensate for average wages when attracting teachers for hire, and now it seems Wisconsin teachers will sacrifice more of their income due to the passing of this bill. This move by the Republican State Senate seemed almost Karl Rove inspired. However, it will fan the flames to recall Governor Walker an endeavor underway with an estimated 120,000 signatures to date moving toward 500,000+ signatures required in 2012. Savor your victory Mr. Walker.
NOWcarpediem 11 months ago
It's done... The right wing teabagger state of Wis. Passed the bill. I hope you dickcheese heads freeze to death!!!
artgem123 11 months ago
It seems like it's only the Republican party governors that one a bust the unions because they got all the rich corporate people in their pockets. But it wasn't for unions we would all be working for minimal wage how are we don't have money to raise our families how are we going to pay for our mortgages are we to pay for a car payment how we pay basic necessities. The rich better start paying their fair share in taxes.
sonofatiger 11 months ago
@sonofatiger interesting idea.. you still don't have a number on the "fair share" thing. I worked for minimum wage when I was in high school and never again since. I've NEVER worked for a union and I'm pretty sure that unions had nothing to do with how much money I made. The RICH pay the bulk of the bill for the entire country. 45% of the country pays NOTHING by way of income tax. is THAT fair? And you're so concerned with the few controlling peole? How any are union? 11% of the country!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger for that matter, if you work for minimum wage you better think TWICE about having a family and mortgage! You've got NO BUSINESS having either if you're working for minimum wage! If you haven't bettered yourself by the time you're responsible enough to breed then you're not responsible enough to do so. What you're REALLY saying is the rich need to pay YOUR fair share AND theirs. The only FAIR thing is for everyone to pay the same %. You don't want fair, you want MORE.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger do you believe truely that the rich don't pay taxes? Do you believe that Warren Buffet doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Michael Moore doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Al Gore doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Obama doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe that Bill Gates doesn't pay taxes? Do you believe THEN that none of them contribute HEAVILY to politicians? Do you believe that those politicians are not in THEIR pockets?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger "it seems like it's only republican party governors"... really? Cuomo is a democrat and he's about to kick the snot out of the union/unfunded liability crap too. It SEEMS that the only ones that are getting a handle on this are ones that understand when you're broke you're broke! And PLEASE will SOMOENE tell me how John Kerry has STILL managed not to pay $500,000 in yacht tax yet no one is bitching about HIM? you think anyone with any money was born with it? Look it up.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger self made millionaires. Look it up! They start with an idea, they get investors... you know, friends, family, loans. They put their entire lives on the line for it and if they make it work they're the bad guy? Look up the average income of republicans vs. democrats! Look up the education of them both! Look up the donating and charitable habbits of them both! What you REALLY mean to say is republicans should pay MORE than democrats because you're delusional about what ppl DO pay.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie so what.
sonofatiger 11 months ago
@sonofatiger LMFAO a non apologetic communist. Good! At least you're honest. Enjoy your lack of success because if you ever gained any desire to do anything other than expect someone else to pay your way, someone would be coming for you too and all of these people that WOULD have protected you won't be able to. Leach.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger Microsoft is a pretty big corporation. Bill Gates is a liberal. He donates heavily to politicans. He also employs UNGODLY amounts of people all over the world! He TOO gets "cheap labor" from 3rd world countries making microchips. Oh yeah, and Charlie Rangel wrote the tax code for MANY years. If the rich DEMOCRAT holding that position WANTED to he could have closed the loop holes but what did he do? He and his millions got rent controlled space and itemize to pay next to nothing.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger so if you want to complain, do so! But lead by example and get your OWN house in order before you start pointing fingers at what others need to do especially when you are sitting at your computer with no idea how people operate or what they contribute. You've been TOLD something and rather than finding out about it, you attack people for what you've been TOLD. Did you read the bill? No. You hear "they're taking away our RIGHTS" and you automatically jump like a poodle.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger in the meantime, the biggest bitch is the right to work piece. And who's bitching? The union leaders. Why? Because they know if you get to have that money in your paycheck you will more than likely not pay it to them. And the president of the teachers union is making almost 400k a year! You think THAT guy isn't looking for every loop hole? Of course he is! They'll give away everything from the teachers but just not the manditory dues. Yet that's not fishy? Use your head.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
Dems work for the unions, not the people. I support you 100% Walker!
Jakepod34 11 months ago
Where did the trolls come from? Teachers don't make 100k + salaries, they aren't lazy, they don't hate kids, etc. etc. etc. This is about a R-wing egotist bully who is less concerned w/governing than he is furthering the agenda of his monied private sector backers: privatize education, eliminate unions, pave the road for a Republican in Office.
lizjewelry 11 months ago
@lizjewelry You mean trying to balance the massive deficit that has been accumulated over the years? How else would they balance the budget? When you come up with an answer to that, let me know genius.
Jakepod34 11 months ago
Look at all these Teachers.... Protesting like Teabaggers to keep their 250k+ salary untaxed.. Oh wait.. They make 50K but are somehow much richer than CEOs that used bailouts for giant bonuses.. Guess I should watch more Hannity and O'reilly to find out how.
JakDerrida 11 months ago
WOW!! all these people must be doing pretty well to be able to take all this time off work. From where I'm sitting this is no better than the NFL lockout, "millionaires fighting with billionaires". All these people need to shut, up, and go back to work!
opetay 11 months ago
I would like to see regulation for the rich to pay their fair share in taxes and that this does not happen that all the Republican Governors that are being influenced by it corporations and to union busting for state employees and the state police of each state should be thrown in to mental institutions because they are psychotic and harmful to the rest of society they care more about their own greedy self-worth then our nation.
sonofatiger 11 months ago
@sonofatiger How much is "fair share"? I hear that all the time yet no one can put a number on it. I hear it coming from a LOT of very RICH democrats. Warren Buffet says it all the time yet he's not writing donation checks to the govt. John Kerry says it yet he's still holding onto his 1/2 million dollar yacht tax. Fat ass Michael Moore says it but he's not donating to the govt. Obama says "at some point you've made enough money" but he's got many many millions. Give me a number!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Get a life. You obviously don't work very hard when you're making bullshit comments on here all day long. If you can't admit that the ultra rich are getting richer and the middle-class is disappearing you are delusional. Regardless of the cause of this phenomenon, if it continue the poor will revolt in some form of revolution. Both parties are contributing to the problem by employing former big bank guys like Summers and Geithner they are all in it together.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil screw you. and screw your "revolt". I grew up poor and am not poor anymore. I will absolutely KILL anyone that steps on my property with any idea of taking what I've earned. That is my right to do so. FYI I have grown my business to a point that I do not have to knock doors anymore and it's containing itself. Sorry you're jealous. I am also 7 months pregnant and CHOOSE not to wear myself out driving 200 miles a day at this time. fuck off.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Nice mouth. I'm sure that you will teach your child to be just as classy. Who's talking about stealing your all so precious 'stuff''. I'm not jealous of you or ANYTHING you have. So but you were OK with the bank bailouts and those that did get bailed out giving executives bonuses. Sorry to burst your bubble but I doubt that you are Ultra rich. Your coutry will continue its downward spiral if you can';t create decent paying jobs for the middle-class.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil I never said I was "ultra rich". What do you think a "revolt" of the poor results in? Do you not know history? It has ALWAYS resulted in the stealing from one to give to another (which was always to a government), culling of a population, and ended in some pretty desperate poverty for EVERYONE. Being that you aren't here, you don't really know what's going on. There's a lot more to this than you understand. Try worrying about Canada for a while eh?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie
A fine product of American capitalism you are. If you took away all your material possessions, which I assume is all you live for, you are nothing but a dumb downed waste product of modern society. Unless you are the CEO of Wal-Mart or a major bank, your business isn't going to last long. Have fun being poor again soon.
P.S. You have no right to kill anyone on your property, even if they do have the intent to steal, or literally do steal from you. Read up on your laws.
nikeskater416 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 LMFAO I definately do not live for possessions but I don't need to go into any of that with the likes of you. P.S. every state has different laws on property protection. And as far as I'm concerned, I don't know or care why someone is coming into my home without me opening the door. It's going to end very badly for someone. And I AM a fine product of capitalism! Capitalism is a matrix, not a pyramid. You can start with nothing and get to the top. Gotta WORK for it.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie
It's a shame private insurance corporations own public schools in capitalist societies, because the people can't spell worth shit. They're too busy reinforcing ideas in your head instead of giving you any free or independent thought. Now, you good little zombie, you think the janitor at your high school is trying to make it to the top still? I'm sure he works his ass off everyday, but not everyone can be on top, especially with the rapid population growth. Waaaaaake up!
nikeskater416 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 zombie. nice. tired word often used by people that have a limited vocabulary or experience in the world. Similar to racist. Typos bother you? I wouldn't know what a janitor is doing or wanting. Haven't been in highschool in decades. Not everyone CAN be on top but everyone has the opportunity to be if they want. And if you never make it beyond ditch digger, be the best ditch digger you can be!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie
Would "blind, over consuming, ignorant, arrogant, close minded, overindulging extremist" be a better one for you? I can use an extensive amount of vocabulary for your responses if you'd like, but this is a Youtube comment, I really don't care, just as you don't care about using proper capitalization or complete sentences. No lol, not everyone has the opportunity. You think a fatherless child from the south side of Chicago has the same opportunity as Bush's children? Dream on.
nikeskater416 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 I love the "over consuming"! If you only knew how little we consumed. We are the kind of peole that PISS Michael Moore off. We HOARD the money! overindulging... LOL I get a great big kick out of shit like that. I'm certainly not ignorant and have a pretty open mind. I have voted republican, democrat, and independent. I vote for the person with the best plan. In the case of the democratic primary, I voted for the wrong democrat. Clinton's mandate turned me off. And look! LOL
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie
I'm going to summarize this into a one comment argument again lol, my phone is going crazy with angry Youtube comments. 1st, I respect the mindset you have for protecting your family, but in reality our societies passion of killing is something we should have evolved from thousands of years ago. 2nd, Obama's father grew up in a extremely wealthy section of Kenya. 3rd, I'm glad you're not a one party person, but they are all the same scumbags to me. They all have the same agenda.
nikeskater416 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 wait.. I take that back... I don't vote for the person with the best plan. I vote for the person that SOUNDS like he has the best plan. Haven't seen a good plan in a long time.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 oh yeah, and tell me again how I can't kill someone that comes into my home...What law says I can't? Ever heard of castle laws? Stand your ground laws? I'm covered. Too bad you didn't think that far ahead.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie
I don't know, tell me why I can't shoot Jehovah's witnesses in the face for walking on my property. I don't know them, they have mind changing influence they are trying to push on to me and my family! (Satire, if you didn't catch that, I know you didn't). Shoot the milkman law sound familiar? You should read up on the own laws you abide by, before a child playing in front of your house gets his head blown off by a crazy paranoid old man.
nikeskater416 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 someone knocking on your door is not the same as invading your home uninvited. And you know it. I'm sure there are a lot of crazy paranoid old men out there but a law isn't going to stop them from killing a kid if that's what they're going to do. I'm not even 40, a woman, wife, mother, business owner. I will absolutely kill someone that has intruded on my home. I am within the law to do so and EVEN if I wasn't, I'd still do it. My home and family come before anything else.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 so I'm trying to find "private insurance corporations own public schools" and I can't put my hands on anything like that... will you direct me to that information? If that is the case, I can't understand why we're paying taxes for the schools to stay open and teachers' salaries. also, you would think if that was the case that teachers would teach capitalist principles rather than encouraging them to carry signs and chant hey hey ho ho with them...
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie
You haven't been in high school in decades, so i'm arguing with an "old school" type of guy then, right? So i'm basically arguing with a child right now. Someone who was fooled by bright lights and thousand dollar suits during his childhood, who still thinks multimillionaire politicians give a shit about him. Or, someone who would know who owns the school and prison system. There's more than a couple of guys that own and run the government, atleast I think.
nikeskater416 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 and this is your response to the school system question? thought so. You have nothing. I have never been interested in bright lights and armani suits, sorry buddy. And Obama's daddy ran back to kenya yet he turned out quite well, I think? Everyone has the same shot, some have to work harder for it. Who wants to do that though, right? And do I think politicians care? A couple of them, sure but that's about it. Kerry still owes 500k but he "cares" right? LOL NO! VERY FEW care.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@nikeskater416 "For example, we said from the start that it was going to be important for us to be consistent in saying to people if you can have your -- if you want to keep the health insurance you got, you can keep it, that you're not going to have anybody getting in between you and your doctor in your decision making. And I think that some of the provisions that got snuck in might have violated that pledge." - Obama
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie I have a good grasp of whats going on in your country.I visit there frequently.I can tell you that your country is in far worse economic shape than mine.Primarily because our government regulates the banking industry and didn't allow them to sell bullshit mortgages to those that couldn't afford them .They just lowered limited mortgages to 30 years in duration.I'm not saying that revolt is a good thing. I'm saying thats the whats going to happen if the middle-class continues to vanish.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil you're such a quirky canadian. You visit so you know what's going on here. okay! good to know that's all it takes! Your govt didn't "allow"... good for you. our govt FORCED the mortgages. The DEMOCRATS pushed it. It was originally implemented by Carter and was EXPANDED by Clinton. Bush tried to get teh GSEs fixed SEVENTEEN TIMES during his administration. But you knew that, since you visit.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Your govn't didn't force ANYONE to sell mortgages in a fraudulent manner or force uninfomed/ignorant Americans to buy homes that they couldn't afford. Both political parties had a hand in creating this mess. Encouraging Americas to live on credit because its good for the wealthy and the ignorant masses took the bait hook line and sinker. Lets borrow money on the small amount of equity I have in my house. The repugnant party had the power to repeal these laws but they chose not to.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil oh right.. you visit so you have a handle on what's happening here. I keep forgetting.. you visit. The govt didn't force people to make stupid decisions. The govt forced the banks to lend to unqualified, under qualified, and low income buyers. In order to compensate for the bad loans banks would charge higher rates, but that was DISCRIMINITORY!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Once again you're wrong. Nobody forced the banks to give out these loans the gov't 'ALLOWED" them to and they were happy to take peoples money, then they rolled up all these high risk loans and sold them to other greedy bastards and claimed them as assets to make even more money. Once the people statring defaulting the house of cards collapsed.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil I'm so THANKFUL that a canadian knows the ins and outs of American govt regulation! I'm so thankful that you're in banking! We can go round and round about this and you can believe what you want but the FACTS are that the CRA DID force banks to make loans to people that otherwise would not have qualified. The loan quotas were considered in an institution's application for deposit facilities. Irrational lending procedures were forced on institutions and REWARDED by govt bodies.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil Under the CRA banks must convince a set of bureaucrazies that they are not engaging in discrimination. A charge that the act encourages any CRA recongized community group to bring forward! (Otherwise any merger or expansion would likely be denied) Discrimination consists of "arbitrary or outdated criteria" which include most of the essentials of responsible lending: income level, income verification, credit history and savings history. GOOD risk factors.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil . In a FREE market, lending large amounts of money to low-income, low-credit borrowers with no down payment would quickly prove disastrous. the Federal Reserve Board's inflationary policy of artificially low interest rates made investing in subprime loans extraordinarily profitable. the inflationary housing boom meant homeowners rarely defaulted... so long as housing prices went up, even the worst-credit borrowers could always sell or refinance.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil Concerns about the possibility of mass defaults and foreclosures were assuaged by an administration whose president declared: "We want everybody in America to own their own home." And Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are GSEs that are PUBLICALLY traded entities which bundled and securitized those loans and sold them off as well. no one is BLAMELESS but the govt getting involved through the CRA, GSEs and FED's REGULATION is the crux of the problem.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil the banks played by the rules and then were thrown under the bus so assholes could get elected by demonizing them while ignoring that the govt is what got us into the mess in the first place. THAT is where the ignorant/lazy/uniformed Americans come into play. They jumped on the big bad bank bandwagon and just like YOU ignore the part the govt played in creating the problem in the first place. When there was LACK of regulation it was sound but the "poor" couldn't buy. DUH!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil and to say "the repugnant" party had the power to repeal these laws... silly. When was it that they HAD this "power"? The last time republicans had the majority was 1994. Super majority? Can't locate that EVER. It takes 2/3 to get a law repealed. So tell me mr. canada, when have the republicans had 2/3 in both houses? STFU already. And just bc someone is "republican" doesn't mean he/she is conservative. But you know everything about America... with your hall pass. LMFAO STFU.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Once again,NICE mouth.You're a class act.NOT!You said that Carter started all this crap.I believe that he was in power prior to 1994.Wasn't your hero Reagan in power after carter. What did he do to fix it? what did Bush senior do to fix it? Stop trying to blame it all on the DEMs both parties have a hand in this and senators from both sides of the isle got rich before the house of cards collapsed.When did the dems have a supermajority to make these laws some of your repugnants helped
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil LOL you're so funny for a canadian. Probably a national treasure! Carter DID start this crap. It started in '77. NIce try. The CRA was pretty basic until Clinton expanded it. There was no need for Reagan to touch it. No need for Bush Sr. to touch it. And again, get with the program. 2/3 majority to repeal a law. Democrats got the super majority in 2006 PRIOR to the collapse. It should have been repealed, both sides did wrong. But again, fools like you blame wrong people.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil I'm not an idiot. I am aware of republican misconduct and have NO problem finding someone else to vote for which is why primaries here are so important. Just because someone says they are republican doesn't mean they are conservative. I have voted for democrats that are more conservative than some of the republicans running. I despise a liberal or "progressive" republican. More so than a democrat that is openly "generous" with someone else's money!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil keep your focus on YOUR p.o.s. country and I'll keep my focus here, k? You're an asshole, YES I said it, ASSHOLE and I don't rightly give a rat's rear end that you think it's "classy, NOT". You're an idiot that sits in canada, reads pieces of a statement and doesn't even BOTHER to research it. You think your simpleton vacations to good weather make you an American expert. FUCK OFF
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie I'll focus on whatever I choose to focus on. tyvm.Please continue to show your lack of class, arrogance and hatred towards anyone that disagres with you. It shows your true colors and provides some insight as to why your country is so messed up.You and folks like you focus on hating and blaming rather than focusing on fixing the problems and mending fences. I'm very happy and very proud of my country and I think you live in a great country as well inspite of haters such as yourself.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil LOL that's the pot calling the kettle black! What would you have the general public do to "fix" or "mend"? I say no one is blameless but yet I'm playing the blame game while YOU throw Bush Bush Bush Bush.. like it's the only word in your vocabulary. And yes, I hate people that say they are one thing and prove to be another. And yes, I hate people that say "I visit" and think they know our laws. The only people that argue what a law IS and SAYS are ppl that don't read it... (you)
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie I think I mentioned Bush ONCE!! Your seem to be well informed but closed minded and full of hate. It must suck to be angry all the time. Unlike you I've never claimed to be an expert. What did I say I was? Don't lawyers constantly argue what a law is or says. Go back to your couch and watch more FAUX news.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil poor little canook. You have nothing other than telling me what I feel, how I think or where I get my information. "FAUX" news. I'm sure I've said it a dozen times in here but I'll say it one LAST. I get my information from several sources and if it comes from TV I look it up and research it before believing anything a talking head tells me. I'm not angry OR full of hate. My life is full of things other than UNinformed and bitter canadians or FAUX conservatives. done canook. bye.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie I'm not bitter nor do I need sympathy from a selfish, arrogant hater suck as yourself. BTW genious it's canuck not canook. Although I shouldn't be surprised since many American ignorant of anything outside of their own backyard.
Bbye ugly american
P.S. Hang on tight to your beloved shrinking dollar.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil yes, I know how to spell CANOOK. I love that it pissed you off. By the way, that hockey team sucks donkey balls. and it's GENIUS, while you're on the subject of spelling something (especially a nick name) correctly. I'll hang on to my dollar while you can hang onto your LOON. Fits.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Not that I cheer for them but the Canucks are the best team in the league right now. To return to your level I'm not pissed off at all, you arrogant angry cunt. Did I spell that correctly?
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil groovy. I'm glad you have such great impulse control after being so "tolerent" of my points of view. Bottom line is you DON'T know what you're talking about when it comes to our housing bubble. Not your fault, you're in CANADA and I would HOPE that you have other things to concern yourself with. So, since you DON'T know what you're talking about, sit in your basement and root for the unions and any hockey team you like. I don't care. You're a non issue for me OR my country.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil ACORN brags about getting laws passed which outlaw such fees, prohibiting banks from protecting themselves from the added risk involved in making forced loans to "subprime" borrowers. The Fed-created an explosion in housing prices, many thousands of subprime borrowers no longer qualified, by a long stretch, for conventional mortgages based on their incomes. The only way they could get the loan was to take an adjustable rate which was VERY low (again the Fed) that would ADJUST.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil The Fed's enforcement of CRA along with pressure from groups (like ACORN) and its post 9/11 monetary policy in general are the reasons for the bursting real estate bubble and the "subprime" mortgage meltdown. so ... blame who you want. It doesn't change the facts. The govt caused it and it definately wasn't GW. It began with Carter and was expanded under Clinton. Bush tried 17 times to fix the problem but lobbyists and the Fed nixed it.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil and a comment a week ago makes me on here all day long huh? ANYHOO... I'm gonna go find ANOTHER home to buy tomorrow in NJ. I like the new Governor and I'm going to support him by buying a home here and paying higher taxes than the state I live in now. ; ) there's you taxes. choke on them.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger let's also keep in mind that someone making 25k thinks that the 100k guy doesn't pay his fair share. The 100k guy thinks the 250k guy doesn't pay his fair share and so on. The only thing that's FAIR is getting what you pay for. As a consumer when you buy a product and are not satisfied you can get your money back. What is the taxpayer's recourse against public service that isn't satisfactory?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@sonofatiger that is where this bill comes in. This union can bargain for pay up to the consumer price index. If they want to get MORE than that, they have to ask the public. The taxpayer. The employer. The consumer. How can it be called collective bargaining when the one paying the bill gets no say in the matter? With all the "support" these people are getting, I'm SURE if they say "graduation rate has increased by X% and we want X$" but it should be based on merrit, not time served.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
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sonofatiger 11 months ago
@sonofatiger LOL Can you say "general electric"? no income taxes and now Immelt is the "jobs czar". groovy. And I'll ask you this and hope you can answer, since no one else can. "fair share" is a term that is thrown around like a rag doll... what is a "fair share"? and what is "rich"? I hear millionaires then taxes are highest at 250k. Big difference between 250k and $1M. How much should ONE person pay for the SAME services as another?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
Go to A unitedwisconsin. COMm. A website with a pledge to recall Walker. Please sigh it. Only WI voters please. Thanks!!
Lanthiriel 1 year ago
i feel so sorry for obama because i see whats going on..this was planned from the very beginning just like 9/11..the Illuminati never wanted a black man as president however they made him look so good in the media that even racist red necks voted for him..but now they are destroying him by making it "seem" like he cant run america and can't control foreign turmoil (libya)..thus making him appear weak and not qualified..the plan is to make america regret they elected a "nigger"
gogitta25 1 year ago
@gogitta25 ohhhhhhh.... no no no. first of all, the "illumati" have bailed out on all of this long long ago. They've handed the torch over years ago. And there's nothing obama can do about the middle east. Watch this: when wikileaks drops a piece on a country ... watch when it goes viral IN THAT COUNTRY.... Saudi Arabia is next. There is no country in the middle east other than Israel that is not ON FIRE right now. Libya is the least of the worries.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@gogitta25 you are correct.. it is planned. but it's not by who you think it is. this is bottom up, inside out then top down plan. The saddest thing is that we have been put into a position where we have to take drastic measures to sustain the present and HOPEFULLY the future. They counted on that.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
The Internet is being used to revolutionize societies. Tell your Congressman to rewrite the “Employee Freedom of Choice Act” so it uses the Internet to allow workers to request and conduct union votes DIRECTLY with the NLRB. Truly secret votes where employers can’t identify and fire organizers. Force employers to bargain with unions 30 days after a successful vote. Bring in an arbitrator 30 days later if no contract is in place. In 2012 VOTE for Obama, House & Senate majorities and pass it!
1293drive 1 year ago
@1293drive honey, obama isn't going to win again. won't happen. the health care deal sealed his fate.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@TheJoozie
Obama will win becuase no Repub can hold a candle to him in a 1 to 1 debate.
Babylauncher3000 1 year ago
@Babylauncher3000 and actually, no. one on one this president loses left and right. "let me be clear" "what I've said and always have said"... yet he has broken nearly every promise he made other than "fundamentally transforming America" and the people that wanted this "change" never got it defined by him and now they're very upset by the "change" he has affected. The democrats can't do anything but pick on Bush 2 years later! Even TODAY Pelosi talked out of her ass on Bush. She lied!
TheJoozie 1 year ago
THERE IS NO “FAIR” WAGE FOR TEACHERS. The closest we can come is that wage structure produced from negotiations between a strong teachers union and a powerful government body. Pitting a SINGLE employee against a powerful state government or a multi-national corporation is laughingly unfair. Only through COLLECTIVE bargaining between these entities can something approaching a “fair” wage be reached.
1293drive 1 year ago
@1293drive you tell me, what's FAIR for a teacher that works 192 days a year to get paid? Prior to unions coming into teaching, we were NUMBER ONE in education. Now we're 28th. Pay is higher, everything is more cush and our kids are graduating at lower rates. Bad teachers can't be fired and good ones can't keep their jobs because of the tenured ones! What's fair about that? What's fair about "the rich" paying more for YOUR kids to get taught nothing and drop out?
TheJoozie 1 year ago
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bogdanmil 1 year ago
@TheJoozie Teachers do a MUCH more important job than processing 'non cash payments' so they deservre more money than you.. I think that the decline in education has more to do with poor parenting and a lack of funding for schools than poor teaching. Many parents these days are more concerned about keeping up with the Jones's than they are raising their children. Part of it is that both parents work in many households so the parents jusy aren't there to support the children like they use to.
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil LOL sure... here's the deal. I don't do my job, I don't get paid. How you can justify the graduation rate with the pay is beyond me. There is no DOUBT that teaching is an important job, however, the unions here make it impossible to get rid of bad teachers because of tenure. They are guaranteed a job and that's not right. My daughter is 2 1/2 and she her reading and comprehension is that of a 6 year old. It doesn't take much time spent to achieve that.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@TheJoozie We should always try to get better teachers but who will be the judge of who's good and who's bad?
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil well let's see... you can start by looking at a school's success rate. Do they have a 40% graduation rate? Or 90%? Are the kids testing at proficient levels, or not? Something that happens with anything that is "for profit"... the customer determines if they are getting satisfactory service. If they are not, they take their business elsewhere. It is motivation to succeed. When you're getting paid NO MATTER WHAT, you do not guard your service as well.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil Lets pick teachers that hate socialist.
frio109 1 year ago
@frio109 Another ignorant hater comes out of the wood work.
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil Lets not pick you to teach.
frio109 11 months ago
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bogdanmil 11 months ago
@frio109 Sure ,you're right lets get people that hate to teach our children. Moron!!!
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil I agree, we should not hire moron's like you to teach.
frio109 11 months ago
@frio109 Oh enlighten one, go watch Fox news and continue to believe that the world is 6000 years old, prsident Obama is a Muslim and is not eligible to be president and all liberals are communists in disguise.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil That sounds about right except the world is older.
frio109 11 months ago
@bogdanmil When did Fox ever say the Earth was only 600 years old? Never happened.
frio109 11 months ago
@frio109 6000 not 600 you putz, You're a stereotypical ignorant American. Please feel free to to continue to bath in your ignorant bliss.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@TheJoozie Dubyas “No Child Left Behind” educational policy, has marked an intensification of the assault on public education for the majority of the population. The program, which sets performance benchmarks for public schools, entails punitive measures, up to and including the shutdown of schools that fail to “perform.” It has gone hand in hand with government subsidies of various kinds for private schools and for-profit schools that drain resources from urban public school districts.
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil If the govt is going to pay (one way or another) for the education of kids, why not pay the ones that are producing educated kids? You don't agree with performance standards? you don't agree with punitive measures for failure? Oh of course you don't! You think time is what people should be paid for, not results. I'm unaware of private schools that have metal detectors at the gates either. Bottom line is private schools produce better results and money is not the reason.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil the govt gave Kansas City schools a blank check because they kept saying it was the lack of money that caused kids to fail at such an alarming rate. They had UNLIMITED funds. They all got raises, new schools, new books, computers, pools, tennis courts, gyms, etc. I hope I don't have to drop the shoe and tell you how they're doing now with their new supplies and pay raises. A really good friend of mine is a GOOD grade school teacher in a BAD area. She makes about 35k (cont)
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil she's been at that same school for 15 years or so. Others put their time in and then leave to a better area but she stays. She teaches 2nd grade. When they get to her they are still at K level. She brings them up and sends them on. Why does she earn the same as the K and 1st grade teachers that FAILED in their job? Because the teachers union says so. They say "X years makes X dollars" while she performs at higher levels than her counterparts she makes the same $. But that's fair.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil how funny that you have no response suddenly to my posts! What's the problem? Can't justify someone not wanting to pay for failure of students? Can't justify Kansas City's blank check and NO improvement? Can you justify the president of the teachers union making nearly 400k a year but willing to give up EVERYTHING except for their mandatory dues? Come on old man! You've been around the block, explain this to me rationally! Help me understand!
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie I have a life life outside of computer land. Bad teachers should be ousted but the problem is bigger than teachers unions. Obviously blindly throwing money at it isn't the answer either. Explain to me how busting teachers unions will magically help kids to learn.
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil uh huh... first, making a union VOLUNTARY isn't "busting" it. It's making it VOLUNTARY. forcing someone to be in a union to have a job should be completely illegal. Here ya go.. you want to teach. You are qualified. You have the degree and teaching credential. but, sorry... if you don't want to pay dues to someone to make nearly 400k a year and donate MILLIONS of dollars to politicians, well... you can't work HERE. We are not required to be part of the "collective" or "borg".
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@TheJoozie I hear lots of complaining but no answers on how to fix it. Busting the unions will not fix the problem. You sound more concerned about money than you do about educating children. You complain about the 400k a union leader gets, how about CEO's of big companies getting 10s of millions of dollars is that fair? Are you equally concerned about the influence that big business buys from the government?
bogdanmil 11 months ago
@bogdanmil no matter how many times you say "busting" doesn't make it so. No one is "busting" the union but even if they WERE, leaving it the way it is isn't going to get anyone a better education either. In fact, since the D.O.E. was formed and unions came into play, the education across the country has taken a trip down the toilet. That is an undeniable fact. As for businesses, free market without govt interference... I don't give a shit what they make! it's not SUPPOSED to be taxpayer money.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil If these people keep repeating the mantra that it isn't about the money, then why am I not allowed to be concerned with the money? The union does nothing TO educate our kids. Walker has a plan to evaluate teachers INDIVIDUALLY and give them raises or get rid of them accordingly. When I worked FOR someone, I certainly didn't want MY pay based on the merrit or lack of merrit of someone else. Yes, I have a problem with companies having influence on govt the way they do.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil G.E. is a great example of that today! Stimulus money, convicted of defrauding the taxpayer several times, CEO is now in the obama adminstration. Seems like a huge conflict of interest, no? The employees of G.E. do not PAY to work there. If they want to individually donate their money out of their checks to politics, they are free to do so. If the company wants to donate, they too are free to do so because the money (in theory) is coming from profits from their PRIVATE business.
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil this is about the budget. there seems to be some sort of disconnect with you and the process of balancing a check book. Walker ran his campaign on balancing the budget WITHOUT raising taxes. That is what he was hired to do and unlike some previous politicians he is at least attempting to do what he was hired to do. Where do you think the money comes FROM? Is there some mythical money tree that you go to when you run out of money? Is that tree businesses that EMPLOY people?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil My state is cutting 500 million in education. School districts will be required to spend what they take in. Some will say that's not fair yet others are willing to pay higher local property taxes to fund the programs that they don't want cut out of schools. A home or a business running in the red will go bankrupt. We can't print more money and call it a fluffy word like deficit. When a state runs out of $ where does it go? To our federal govt that's 223BILLION in the red THIS MONTH?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil if bargaining is a "right" then it's also the "right" of the taxpayer to decide if they want to pay more than the cost of living in wages. And IF the kids are coming out behind, as for example 4th grade kids in Wisconsin, what is the union doing to TEACH them? Nothing. So the taxpayer is a) not in position to determine pay for their teachers b) getting an inferior service and c) going broke doing so. If the eduation level stays the same, why go broke for it?
TheJoozie 11 months ago
@bogdanmil if I sent her to public school when she is old enough she would be PUT back intellectually. There's no options for people in that area. All I'm saying is THIS is what we can afford and there's no way around it. The money isn't there, it isn't there. I guess we could just lay off 1/2 of them to continue to pay what's being paid. And then people would be bitching about the class size. Although, my 80 yr old neighbor was in a 1 rm school with 60/1 ratio and they all learned more.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil Our soldiers DESERVE more pay too! But where is the money? Cops make less than teachers and they put their lives on the line every day but where's the money? It's NOT THERE. I guess when YOU run out of money you just borrow it or look to someone to supply it. We've done that and it doesn't work. Regardless of what you THINK I deserve, I am earning what I am worth according to the business I bring in. And I am solely responsible for my retirement and health.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil I'm glad you continue to call me names. It shows your ass. Businesses go overseas because the business climate is friendlier. We can't force a business to stay in the USA when they are punished over and over again. They ARE going to avoid those taxes no matter what so why not keep them here with better practice to keep the jobs rather than feeling entitled to it? This administration has it backwards. You want more money? We need more people working, not a few paying more.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
Great video ,Some Cities just wont lie down, France has Marseilles, Italy has Naples, England has Liverpool, Now the USA has Wisconsin .... God bless you Madison.
patthegreek 1 year ago
PROTIP for every Conservative:
Fabricate Debt
Blame Union
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PROFIT!!!
MogManDog 1 year ago
"everyone has an opportunity to lift THEMSELVES out of poverty through hard work. "
Poverty has nothing to do with hard work. Most people spend their lives working hard but end up barely surviving day by day. The problem is who owns the resources? If a giant corporate capitalist decides to lay off their staff because of mismanagement then what choice does that worker really have?
Your assumptions are simply unfounded and have no statistical basis.
kingmafi6699 1 year ago
@kingmafi6699 what choice does the worker have? DO SOMETHING ELSE! Stop pigeon holing yourselves! I used to work for someone, I no longer do. When you work FOR someone, you are going to earn what you agree on. you do not have the right to demand more unless you are worth so much more that someone else will gladly pay you more. It's competition! YOU are the product when you are hourly. How many self employed people are there? How many self made millionaires? MORE than union workers.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@uspatriot3000
"We don't want a business to get to big as in a monopoly. "
???? Then you're against capitalism?? A business is in business to pursue greater capital.
"We don't want unions to get too big because they monopolize the workforce."
Your ignorance of capitalism alone outlines your ignorance of what a union is.
"Union leaders are also citizens but if o they get too powerful, they can hurt business."
If the union doesn't represent citizens then what the hell are they there for?
kingmafi6699 1 year ago
naturally we are jealous of those with a guaranteed pension for life, cush wages, cost of living raises, little or no out of pocket for health insurance or pension, full retirement at 55, and the job security. not like the rest of us who lost our nest eggs in the great recession, especially the elders, and will never be able to retire. Especially since their bene's come from our pockets. They need to come down to our level more. Although maybe not lose most of their bargaining rights
brian39900 1 year ago
@uspatriot3000
what???
what on earth is a citizen leader?
please articulate.
kingmafi6699 1 year ago
@uspatriot3000
What's the difference?
Society is a collective of individuals. Even in your capitalist system the workforce works as a collective in order to build a commodity. The notion that we are just individuals and everyone else doesn't matter is simply an illusion. If your heart wanted to work but then your brain chose to stop working then you'd rot away in a day.
Unions are the conscious of the workforce against exploitation. You can never destroy this conscious ever.
kingmafi6699 1 year ago
@kingmafi6699 you are way off base. Unions are not the "CONSCIENCE" of the workforce against exploitation. That may have been true once upon a time when people allowed themselves to be walked on HOWEVER that is not the case any longer. Unions were created to get better working conditions and fair wage. Most union workers make more than what the rest of the country would consider "fair". And conditions, there are laws now. done. Mission accomplished.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@kingmafi6699 Pensions were offered originally because during the DEPRESSION companies couldn't pay what the job was worth TODAY but promised to pay later when the economy picked up. So they worked for LESS hourly up front. Is that the case today? No. They get paid MORE up front and MORE on the back end. While union leaders golf on their own private UNION golf courses and travel to china and other countries to consult them! "workers of the world UNITE"
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@kingmafi6699 the cry babies in the USA want to tax the rich and make them pay MORE! okay... great. When these unions merge with other countries YOU will be the ones paying more. The job of the union is equal pay for equal work, right? Let's throw Inida or China into the mix like Andy Stern is doing. Do you think China is suddenly going to earn 50k a year? no. It WILL level out but the USA will be the ones that lose out. We are not a collective. We ARE individuals.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
Unions were a response to the greed of big business. When big business held the power, it took every selfish advantage. And given a chance, it would do it again. It is just that today, the unions have swung full circle and become the bigger problem. This is only the beginning and the protesting is going to get violent. The union members will do anything to keep what they have and will become dangerous. History repeats itself. It's human nature.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@TheJoozie Big business still holds the power as evidenced by them moving all of the jobs overseas.
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil and why do you think businesses move to canada? BETTER BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT. Why do you think they move to India? All of these countries are grateful to have business there providing jobs but not here! We buy everything from overseas anyway! People buy VERY LITTLE actually made here. As soon as a company moves, sales even go up! What would YOU do? Stick around, lose profit margins, go bankrupt, take a bail out? You can't do business that way.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
@bogdanmil and when you don't have cash on you... and you write a cheque or use a credit card...I bet you'd think it was pretty important if you couldn't make your house payment, or buy something! LOL I see people get pissed off every DAY when they can't use their card (credit OR debit) somewhere. When a terminal is down I am called RELENTLESSLY because that store is losing business which cuts its bottom line which cuts the ability to pay employees. things you don't see.
TheJoozie 1 year ago
If the "Green Bay Slackers" worked half as hard at teaching as they do at protesting maybe then our national level of education wouldn't be as poor as it is.
MetalDetroit 1 year ago
Jakepod34......you wrote to me, @dacmiller Greedy pigs just because we work hard????? Screw you! You are just a jealous low life that has nothing left to criticize but yourself!
It would be easy to come back with my own hate and rage but it would do no good. You are obviously upset and in a lot pain. I hope you can get better and not hurt yourself or anyone around you. Good luck.
dacmiller 1 year ago
@dacmiller I deleted my comment because I thought you were talking about the non union members. I tried to delete it but obviously it went through so sorry about that. I am against unions, I just misunderstood what you were talking about. Again, my apologizes.
Jakepod34 1 year ago
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to all of those who believe in the unions and are protesting, please watch this video on youtube, the title is "" I told you we could prove sorros obama and the communists of america were behind the protest"" please watch this and do your own research and see the truth. This is all a plan to bring american down. Please see what is really going on and that the protesters are just falling into a trap that is set to divide america until it falls.
cherokeedoll1 1 year ago
Unions! BS! FIRE the selfish spoiled whiners. Collective bargaining ..AKA.. cycle of i get unsustainable pensions and democrats get the votes... bankrupting the state.FIRE them!!! OK FINE! make the RICH pay their fair share...Oh! wait the top 5% of the rich already pay over 50% of taxes… We don’t need to pay Unions leaders so they can hand over are money to the DEMS. IM looking for a teaching job and I will work FOR the people and try to help the states balance there budget.
claysurfer78 1 year ago 2
@claysurfer78 very quickly, where are you getting this number that the top 5% pay over 50% of taxes? If you're looking for a teaching job, the only way to help your state balance the budget is to not be paid. Sorry, but no state is going to be hiring a new teacher when they're firing all their old ones.
ixevlnightkingxi 1 year ago
@uspatriot3000
"Capitalism creates jobs. "
Capitalism creates a class of people who are dependent up a minority of owners who continue to destroy the need for labor.
Only capitalism can become bankrupt.
kingmafi6699 1 year ago
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Protiip - You can't have unions spending taxpayer money (dues from publicly funded teachers) t buy off politicians who then turn around and give them more taxpayer money. That's not how Democracy works.
swerve22 1 year ago
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Protiip - You can't have unions spending taxpayer money (dues from publicly funded teachers) t buy off politicians who then turn around and give them more taxpayer money. That's not how Democracy works.
swerve22 1 year ago
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Protiip - You can't have unions spending taxpayer money (dues from publicly funded teachers) t buy off politicians who then turn around and give them more taxpayer money. That's not how Democracy works.
swerve22 1 year ago
@uspatriot3000
America is already screwed son.
These corporate worms are just trying to convince you that turning against policeman, firefighters, highway workers, teachers etc is good for the economy.
And you are simply stupid enough to buy that.
When you understand that it is the top 5% that are destroying the wealth then you might just might have better logic.
kingmafi6699 1 year ago
I'm a public employee. I'm NOT the problem. Police Officers, Teachers, EMTs, Firefighters, Nurses, Highway workers, etc. are NOT the enemy. The RICH who are stoking this crisis are pitting middle class families against each other while demonizing us, your neighbors. We LIVE here, PAY taxes, and WORK HARD to support our families.
Thumbs up if YOU agree.
NDNPolice 1 year ago
Unions have gained way too much power. I used to support unions, but they have become corrupt and that's why our economy is falling behind. Now, all they care about is money. That's why America is failing economically. Unions should be allowed, but strikes should not be. Balancing the budget is not easy, and people need to start understanding that deficits have consequences! Why am I the only one that understands this???
Jakepod34 1 year ago
@Jakepod34 Unions are ARE NOT the problem!! You're swallowing rightwing propaganda hook line and sinker. Why are people so willing to say that the working (union) man is getting paid too much but you rarely complain about the fact that CEO and high level executive salaries have increased exponentially over the 40 years. In 1965 a CEO earned 24 times the average worker in 2000 it increased to 531 times. Where is the outrage???
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil I'm not saying that unions in general are bad. I'm saying that some unions take advantage of their privileges and use the system in the wrong way. Again, I'm not saying they are bad, but unions are the reason that US items cost more than other places on earth.... because of all the money that we put into our workers and union leaders. China is dominating the world market because they don't have greedy union leaders on their asses day in and day out. Its the leaders, not the workers.
Jakepod34 1 year ago
@Jakepod34 There are unionized employees that some people would consider to be overrpaid but to say that they are the reason that China is dominating the world market is a overly simplistic explaination. Firstly, In 2010, the union membership rate--the percent of wage and salary workers who were
members of a union--was 11.9 percent.. The fact is that wages for laborers in China are a fraction of the MINIMUM wage in the US. An average Chinese wage of $0.57 per hour -- or $104 per month.
bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil True, but their standard of living is much lower than the US
Jakepod34 1 year ago
@Jakepod34 Thats the point !!!! So stop believing the bullshit that Rush 'the pill head' Limbaugh and the repugnants are spewing. Trying to blame unions for rthe poor economy.
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bogdanmil 1 year ago
@bogdanmil First off, I am a moderate and I think rush is crazy. Second, stop believing everything the left tells you!!! I think it is so funny how democrats think that republicans are so brainwashed, but refuse to believe that they are too! Who do you listen to, rachel 'madcow,' keith olbermann, chris matthews? The liberals are as crazy as the right wingers! And I was never blaming the union for the economy... I was saying that unions are crippling our ability to bounce back.
Jakepod34 1 year ago
@Jakepod34 'Crippling' thats crap. Just scapegoats. THe middleclass has been diappearing at tthe same time are unions are shrinking. Yet the rich just get richer and the middle class gets poorer I guess that's the fault of unions as well. Keith Oberman'a a blowhard. Rachel Madow is pretty smart and sensible from what I have seen but I'm Canadian so I don't get Fox news or msnbc very often.
bogdanmil 1 year ago