Well, he better keep wondering. I really have come to despise the doctrine of sin more than anything else since leaving the church. Its such a powerful idea, establishing impossible standards for indoctrinated children to live up to and imposing a magic solution with the looming threat of hell to seal it. What could be more wrong, even evil, than compelling people to fight their own sexuality? Damn, thats a losing battle fraught with unnecessary guilt. I genuinely feel sorry for that guy.
"It's clear you've bought that lie, but the truth of the matter is that that is pure propaganda; never even coming close to being proven scientifically."
I've never understood that argument about choice and nature. I didn't choose my sexuality, I know lots of men who don't understand what "choice" they supposedly made when becoming heterosexuals.
That might be a lot Ted's problem here, he doesn't understand that choice doesn't enter into it.
so just because i fantasize about jessica alba or make love to my wife doesn't mean i'm straight? have i been living a lie? is that why i keep thinking profmth is one of my best subs? maybe i should talk to a priest...
Quote Pmouth: "I'm not aware of anyone who argues that there isn't some environmental component to sexual orientation. You just don't know what you're talking about. "
Actually, this is the main argument in favor of homosexuality, that it is within their nature and not caused by outside factors.
Quote Flyborg: ..does Haggard know what the word "gay" means? Because I don't think he does.
Calling homosexual behavior "gay" is the misnomer homosexuals wishfully hope others will buy. This "label" promotes the ASSUMPTION that homosexuality is what they ARE, not what they DO. A doctor is s doctor because that is what he has made of himself.
It is the brainwashing that seeks to gain approval for behavior (sin) by ignoring that that is what they have chosen to be.
Mi2sense, let me welcome you to the 21st century in which, among other things, rational, thinking people have long since recognized that there is a distinction between sexual orientation and sexual conduct. E.g., a person with a heterosexual sexual orientation is no less a heterosexual if he or she is not sexually active. In the same way, a person with a homosexual orientation is a homosexual quite apart from whether he or she ever engages in sexual conduct with another person of the same sex.
Quote Pmouth:"In the same way, a person with a homosexual orientation is a homosexual quite apart from whether he or she ever engages in sexual conduct with another person of the same sex. "
Okay, okay; its clear youve bought that lie, but the truth of the matter is that that is pure propaganda conjecture; never even coming close to being proven scientifically.
Quote RAA: "Why isn't the Holy Spirit living inside of Haggard powerful enough to cleanse him from these "non-compulsive" feelings towards men?"
He is. The matter is not a matter of strength, but cooperation. Will we allow God's Spirit to cleanse us from any "feelings" that favor any sin?
Christians don't believe that God changes a person without our agreeing with Him to do it. This is the nature of "temptation"; an APPEAL to choose right or wrong.
Quote Photekxl: No scientific anything has ever claimed homosexuality doesn't "exist" until the environment brings it out.
The ONLY scientific evidence we have is that homosexuality is discovered environmentally. To say that homosexuality is innate is a lie from the pit that has NEVER been proven scientifically. I know, I know; it makes those mad as all get out that they cant shove their anger down other peoples throats, but such is life.
"The ONLY scientific evidence we have is that homosexuality is discovered environmentally."
Pray tell, where else other than in an environment would we discover any fact about human beings, Mi2sense? I'm going to go out on a limb here to guess that you're not personally familiar with scientific evidence about homosexuality (or a variety of other topics).
"Pray tell, where else other than in an environment would we discover any fact about human beings, Mi2sense? "
What a hoot Proofinmouth; environment demands an outside influence and the gay agenda asserts homosexuality is an innate nature, not determined environmentally. Welcome to the 21st century? Welcome to 5th grade.
I'm not aware of anyone who argues that there isn't some environmental component to sexual orientation. You just don't know what you're talking about.
I watched this directly after your "the persistence of bigots" video, and I must say, good job undermining the credibility of that video. You don't have half the balls to go through what this man's been through. Bigot indeed.
Xians are the best proof that there is no gawd. Haggard in particular. What a phony, hypocritical piece of garbage. And his old church? Wow they are good, kind, forgiving xians.
I know why he opposes gay marriage. He doesn't want all the good men locked up in loving relationships, then who would he smoke meth with and pay for sex.
"Im not gay I just have the temptation to have sex with other men" well Im not gay and I have never had that temptation I think you have to be gay to want to have gay sex I mean that would be logical. Anyway it was hilarious when Richard Dawkins tore haggard up that was classic
having sex with a man doesn't make you gay, it makes you curious. having sex with a gay prostitute on multiple occasions while doing meth in a seedy motel doesn't make you gay make you a deviant that happens to be gay
Haggard response??? "What's the fucking big deal? OK, I like a big hard dick pumping in my ass. So what? Yeah, I snort crystal meth. Like you don't? And I suppose you don't cheat on your wife? LOL! We're all sinners. So get SAVED like me. I'm gonna live forever with sweet Jesus and all my Christian friends. Christians can rape and murder and STILL go to heaven! So fuck all Non-Christians. You are all gonna burn in Hell! Ain't it great to be a Christian? Praise Jesus! "
I've been aware for a long time that religion is really a branch of showbusiness. You give us your money and we give you some magic.
American evangelists are perhaps the most obvious example. Ted Haggard made a GOOD living milking or fleecing the sheep. Being an evangelist is what pays his bills. He'll say ANY thing to get back on that gravy train :-(
I see that. I actually think that televangelists can accurately be described by Richard Gere's character in Chicago, like a celebrity lawyer arguing for God's existence, but not really caring about the truth of their statements. (No actual comparison between Gere and Haggard is intended though... brrrr)
I am consistently amazed how someone can have a terrible tragedy befall them & then say "I thank jesus for this happening to me." And "jesus came to me when I needed him."
Haggard expressed on Oprah how Jesus came to him & saved him from his suicidal despair.
Well, what about all the devout people who die with no help? Who commit suicide because they are in such despair & don't receive the loving intervention from the jesus they so love??
Amazing how many believers forget that their own scriptures teach that even *thinking* a thought that might be a "sin" is the same as commiting that "sin".
And also amazing how folks leap through hoops to dodge the issue of what it means to be hetero, homo, bi or zoo in any case. As you pointed out, attraction is the thing.
ProfMTH, while I agree with your premise, pulling the Hitler/Nazi card usually kills debate. I agree with you here, but I think pulling that card is almost always a mistake, causing your own argument more harm than any other effect it might have on your opponents.
And yes, Haggard is a sleazeball, who lies to gullible people in order to get them to open their wallets. It is probable he knows he is gay, but is putting the public face on to keep working.
Mpekarek1, I haven't pulled any "card." It seems you missed the intended joke, i.e., about Haggard's sexuality being as obvious as Hitler's anti-Semitism. I'm not one to do the reductio ad Hitlerum. I didn't intend a polemic here; rather, I intended humor -- humor with a message, yes, but humor nonetheless. Thanks.
Man, I want to defend him because I can see how sexuality and orientation is fluid. I mean, he had compulsive thoughts and (apparently) has great sex with his wife.
But really... gotta call a spade a spade; he belongs on Church Street (gay district of Toronto)
It may be a shock that as a former member of the Nation of Islam & now the Nation of Gods & Earths (or Five % NOI) that I say we need to forgive Ted Haggard. The Bible states "we have all fallen short of the glory of God."
Paul the apostle taught homosexuality is an "unnatural sin." The reason y it is so hard for 1 to stop being gay is b/c unlike other sins, it is unnatural. When 1 repents (or turns) from sin, God changes the person. Believers must remain steadfast though & fight temptation.
I agree. I dont know how he can say this with a straight face. If you have any 'compulsion', inclination thought ect about having sex with someone of the same sex - you are gay or at LEAST bi (but probably gay).
Isn't the use of condoms and birth control pills a form of hypocrisy? If it's only natural for a man to sleep with a woman surely the reason for it is procreation.
In this sense a homosexual is unable to procreate and is doing it for pleasure. Is not a hetrosexual couple who uses birth control doing the very same thing?
Males, unlike women, are the only humans to have a curiosity gene in them. Males are primitive when it comes to sexual orientation.
People wonder why more men are homosexual than women, its because of this, accompanied by the fact that the prostate is nothing more than a sexual organ? It serves zero purpose, except for sexual pleasure.
I don' t agree with the notion that God said a "man should not lay with another man?" Ancient doctrine doesn't dictate morals, all we have are ethics.
Outside of this explanation, if the man has thoughts of being gay, but doesn't act, how can he be considered a homosexual? If he does actually have intercourse, than yes you could have the unbelievable job of labeling him a homosexual....
A word conjured up out of thin air to make creationists happy at labeling people, which they have done now for a millennium and still counting.
"People wonder why more men are homosexual than women...."
I've always viewed that claim with some skepticism because there is a good bit of research indicating that more women experience same-sex attraction than men. If sexual orientation is to be identified by the gender(s) of the people to whom one is attracted -- as I believe it should be -- as opposed to whether one engages in sexual conduct consistent with that attraction (or at all), then there may well be more lesbians than gay men.
Furthermore, attraction does not define sexual preference (at least it shouldn't) yet people associate with this preposterous belief system. Visualizing something doesn't label you as someone, or turn you into something? It is actions of carrying out these visualizations that should be the premise for labeling an individual, or being able associate something with an individual.
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, Johnhart. The fact of the matter is that sexual orientation -- whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual -- is a reality quite apart from whether anyone ever engages in sexual conduct. Thanks.
I do understand your point of view.....i.e. two men can be in a relationship without having intercourse and still be homosexual....do you believe that thoughts alone can categorize someone's sexual orientation if they are not in an actual homosexual or bi-sexual relationship? I guess that is my real question, sorry if that message got diluted through my other comments.
Why do we as a society enable the denial of God-given physical abilities by reserving the best parking spaces for those with special permits?
All this quibbling over what is innate when their own bodies proven them wrong. Anyone who is honest recognize that the legs they carry on their bodies are innately only fulfilled in the act of walking. Yet they deny this bipedal innate nature in themselves, just so that they can behave contrary to it.
Ex-Lay said: "All this quibbling over what is innate when their own bodies proven them wrong. Anyone who is honest recognize that the legs they carry on their bodies are innately only fulfilled in the act of walking. Yet they deny this bipedal innate nature in themselves, just so that they can behave contrary to it. "
Tell me one person you know in a wheelchair that doesn't want to walk.
Homosexuals need to get honest with themselves and own their morality. All this quibbling over what is innate when their own bodies proven them wrong. Anyone who is honest recognize that the male sperm and female eggs they carry in their bodies are innately only fulfilled in the opposite sex. Yet they deny this heterosexual innate nature in themselves, just so that they can behave contrary to it.
The other thing which intrigued me was his wife sitting there with him. Why? What is in this for her? She has got to see how messed up this whole situation is. Why sit next to the guy while his dirty laundry gets aired?
it was hilarious that, a day after that Ted Haggard documentary aired on HBO, the front page of CNN reported he admitted to more sexual tom foolery. Ted, you're GAY, get over it. No amount of scripture in the world is going to "save" you. So sad.
Then you are disoriented PMth and you need a dictionary. Orientation does mean an act, or state of being oriented. This is why, when you went to school or started a new job you had to go through orientation.
Behavior likewise means actions or reactions of a person. Take that little tweezers of your out and put it to better use. As the video proclaims, it aint just a river in Egypt.
This is laugh-out-loud funny coming from someone who is likening sexual orientation to an orientation program at a new job or school. Please, Mi2sense, if this cretinous drivel is the best you can come up with, go post it somewhere else. Perhaps you'll find someone who's inclined to help you remedy your ignorance.
The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes, especially a direction seen to be dictated by physiologic rather than sociologic forces. Replaces sexual preference in most contemporary uses.
physiologic
adjective 1. of or pertaining to physiology.
2. consistent with the normal functioning of an organism.
And that same dictionary also defines "interest" as curiosity, a desire or a want. Wants are not always needs and just because a person can get sexually excited (the normal function of a sex organ) by something that is wrong does not put the stamp of approval on it. The same argument could be made for pedophiles.
"Pedophiles in order to carry out the sex act would be guilty of rape since children do not have the ability to consent to sex."
Not true. Listen to the full Oprah show, where Haggard tells of having sex as a child with one of his father's friends and he did not think of it as abuse because the offender made it pleasureable to his underage body.
"Is that the best you can do, is just get bent out of shape about it PMth?"
I didn't get bent out of shape. I simply told you the truth: your comments thus far ooze ignorance and confusion. The best thing I can do for you is what I did, i.e., tell you the truth.
An ex-Gutton had thoughts about eating a whole cake and still thinks about eating a whole cake, but he isnt a glutton.
What boggles the mind is that homosexual people push their sexual behavior as an innate nature. Doing something that isnt right can feel very good. Doesnt make it right.
"What boggles the mind is that homosexual people push their sexual behavior as an innate nature."
Oh, Mi2sense, I suspect your mind is boggled regularly. In any case, you're incorrect here. No one argues that sexual behavior is, to use your redundant term, "an innate nature." Sexual orientation is innate, behavior is not. I hope that helped to unboggle things a bit for you. Good luck.
Being attracted to the same sex is innate, numb-nuts. The expression might be dormant depending on the environment in which one is raised, but eventually it will, pardon the pun, "come out." Gays no more choose to be gay than I do to be straight. And there's nothing wrong with a relationship between two, consenting adults who are gay, so why don't you spare us your pathetic attempt at a psychoanalysis about what "feels good". You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
Phot-e said: "Being attracted to the same sex is innate, x&8@#. The expression might be dormant depending on the environment in which one is raised, but eventually it will, pardon the pun, "come out."
Pro-gay hypothesis=it hides till the environment brings it out and...
Heterosexual scientific method: it doesn't exist till the environment brings it out.
No scientific anything has ever claimed homosexuality doesn't "exist" until the environment brings it out. Please stop talking out of your ass. And don't start with that "pro-gay" shit. I'm no more "pro-gay" than I am pro-gravity. It's just the way things work, and I don't have a problem with it. When I'm at a bar I don't choose to find the opposite sex attractive, just as gay people do not choose to find the same sex attractive. It really is as simple as that.
This video makes no sense at all. "No i dont think I'm gay, I did wonder about that" What does gay mean to him anyway. Since hes apparently not defining it as having strong strong urges to have sex with other men, it must just be the physical act. But he did that too. Pursued and initiated it even. How does his brain not explode with this much cognitive dissonance.
"How does his brain not explode with this much cognitive dissonance."
Well, that's why he's working harder the a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest to put all of this into categories he can deal with. It's painful to watch.
I could consider the idea that he might be bisexual if he could consider the idea that some people are straight, some gay, some bi, and none of these is a sin but a natural variable, and if he could consider apologizing for bashing those who are gay or bi.
I don't think Haggard is in denial about his sexuality as much as he is in denial about his hypocrisy.
"However, he can't even bring himself to say that. He's just "complicated." Please. "
I do have compassion for him. He is a victim of religious oppression, just like most of us have been at one time or another.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve all the ridicule he's getting; he does. Whether or not he's sincere in his apologies and "rehabilitation" remains to be seen. But he does seem to have changed his tune a little.
Ted Haggard is a clinically fascinatingly bad actor.
The first question he starts answering with some candour. There's focus and eye contact, until he reaches "but they're not compulsive" at which point he shuts his eyes. In his second answer we see exaggerated head tilting - to seem 'reasonable/honest' - and more prolonged blinking (the nearest one can get to not looking someone in they eye before actually looking away).
His body language lets the meth out of the bottle every time.
If you watched Richard Dawkins's documentary "Enemies of Reason" you would realize that Ted Faggard is astonishingly ignorant person detached from many aspects of reality.
Maybe these things would happen a lot less if the education system is better and there are no oxymoronic faith schools.
Initially I thought this fellow was just high on drugs and was just looking for something or anything to suck his dick, but then I learned that he did in fact systematically look for other males to do that - while of course preaching against it the next day.
My feeling is that men are (culturally) hard wired against these type of feelings because of the nature of property relations, but I could be wrong.
It's Ted Haggard, the former head of a megachurch and the National Association of Evangelicals. He spent much time attacking homosexuals and other targets of Christianity, and then was found to be doing meth and soliciting male prostitutes.
In January, he described his sexuality as complex and something that can't be put into "stereotypical boxes." Yet he can't grasp that this describes everyone, and continues to espouse hatred.
just because you have sex with a guy doesn't make you gay, have sex on multiple occasions while using meth and preaching that you hate gays still doesn't make you gay. So what makes you gay? It's only during Christmas when you don the appropriate apparel
I'm not a heterosexual.... I think about women, but it isn't compulsive. I just think about their sweaty body against mine....but I don't act upon it. No, I'm not that way....No.
If you watch the HBO documentary, it's clear that the guy is pretty much without the skills and qualifications to do anything else. No wonder he's so busy trying to get back into the game.
Oh man... I dislike the guy but after watching 'The Trials of Ted Haggard' I feel really sorry for him. It's sad just how derailed his life got by being an evangelical. He didn't learn anything about the real world.
Look ive taken a cock or two in my time, even jerked off a football team in the locker room into a cup and drank evey last load, but i was bored, nothing gay about that at all. (looks left and right)
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for ol' Teddy........but nah! Laughing at his misfortune is more fun. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm mean, I know.
Some people are so afraid of who they really are. Its hilarious how he thinks demons are running around just throwing homosexual hookers and meth in front of him, just to get him to stray from god. Man those demons did some damn good work.
I just love poetic justice. Of course people like this is in denial. No matter how much evidence you present to them they will still believe in whatever it is to make themselves feel comfortable. Letterman should have done this interview!
Fuck Oprah, she's now a rich bitch who's forgotten where the hell she came from and where she still lives !!!! She's more fucked than most of the people she interviews !!!
True. I wonder how Haggard rationalizes having urges but not acting on them? He says he's not homosexual, right? So, he must think homosexuality is an act, not an orientation. Prof, you've given me great insight into the mind of the Christian homophobe. Thanks (I think).
Give Teddy a break, he only had 1 boyfriend, Jesus had 12 boyfriends.
lq32 2 years ago
where is egypt in all that!!??
hardtosay123 2 years ago
i believe itsa metaphorical title. or at least a pun/
ie THE NILE=da nile=denile?
Ch35h1r3C47 2 years ago
not only is he gay he is a bottom.
stone8675309 2 years ago
If anyone wants a challenge in Life .....become a Christian!
CommonSenseNetwork 2 years ago
@CommonSenseNetwork if you want to be closed minded and not se the truth become religius:)
MiuraUU 2 years ago
I don't think this guy is Christian. I'm surprised he even became a pastor. He poorly represented Christians on Oprah
omgitsmadonna 2 years ago
@omgitsmadonna if thats the case im happy he have grown up and seen that christianity and other religions are lies and delusional
MiuraUU 2 years ago
Ok - If you have ever had a dude stick his ding dong in your bum bum, you are gay I don't care what you say.
...and now this pastor is saying he's not gay? Oh come on now
AnthonyTaylor1988 2 years ago
"Ok - If you have ever had a dude stick his ding dong in your bum bum, you are gay...."
Well, it's somewhat more complicated than that. However, you make something of a point here, Anthony. Thanks.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
He's sensually polymorphous!! That's not GAY!
Ansonidak 2 years ago
Am I a simpleton for thinking:
sexual attraction toward same gender=gay (or at least bi)?
JBfan88 2 years ago
No, you're not a simpleton. :-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Well, he better keep wondering. I really have come to despise the doctrine of sin more than anything else since leaving the church. Its such a powerful idea, establishing impossible standards for indoctrinated children to live up to and imposing a magic solution with the looming threat of hell to seal it. What could be more wrong, even evil, than compelling people to fight their own sexuality? Damn, thats a losing battle fraught with unnecessary guilt. I genuinely feel sorry for that guy.
cdnrktsci 2 years ago
Maybe he is neither bi- nor homosexual. Maybe he is evangelical-sexual.
AnderssenVP 2 years ago
"It's clear you've bought that lie, but the truth of the matter is that that is pure propaganda; never even coming close to being proven scientifically."
I've never understood that argument about choice and nature. I didn't choose my sexuality, I know lots of men who don't understand what "choice" they supposedly made when becoming heterosexuals.
That might be a lot Ted's problem here, he doesn't understand that choice doesn't enter into it.
RPR1983 2 years ago
so just because i fantasize about jessica alba or make love to my wife doesn't mean i'm straight? have i been living a lie? is that why i keep thinking profmth is one of my best subs? maybe i should talk to a priest...
burnhippiesforfuel 2 years ago
lol
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Quote Pmouth: "I'm not aware of anyone who argues that there isn't some environmental component to sexual orientation. You just don't know what you're talking about. "
Actually, this is the main argument in favor of homosexuality, that it is within their nature and not caused by outside factors.
mi2sense 2 years ago
You're wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about, Mi2sense. And you've started to bore me. Have a nice -- if benighted -- life.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Oh gosh, I still laugh like hell every time I watch them.
Biogirl52 2 years ago
this*
Biogirl52 2 years ago
;-) Thanks.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Quote Flyborg: ..does Haggard know what the word "gay" means? Because I don't think he does.
Calling homosexual behavior "gay" is the misnomer homosexuals wishfully hope others will buy. This "label" promotes the ASSUMPTION that homosexuality is what they ARE, not what they DO. A doctor is s doctor because that is what he has made of himself.
It is the brainwashing that seeks to gain approval for behavior (sin) by ignoring that that is what they have chosen to be.
mi2sense 2 years ago
Mi2sense, let me welcome you to the 21st century in which, among other things, rational, thinking people have long since recognized that there is a distinction between sexual orientation and sexual conduct. E.g., a person with a heterosexual sexual orientation is no less a heterosexual if he or she is not sexually active. In the same way, a person with a homosexual orientation is a homosexual quite apart from whether he or she ever engages in sexual conduct with another person of the same sex.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Quote Pmouth:"In the same way, a person with a homosexual orientation is a homosexual quite apart from whether he or she ever engages in sexual conduct with another person of the same sex. "
Okay, okay; its clear youve bought that lie, but the truth of the matter is that that is pure propaganda conjecture; never even coming close to being proven scientifically.
mi2sense 2 years ago
Wrong. Oh, well, you're probably used to that by now.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Quote RAA: "Why isn't the Holy Spirit living inside of Haggard powerful enough to cleanse him from these "non-compulsive" feelings towards men?"
He is. The matter is not a matter of strength, but cooperation. Will we allow God's Spirit to cleanse us from any "feelings" that favor any sin?
Christians don't believe that God changes a person without our agreeing with Him to do it. This is the nature of "temptation"; an APPEAL to choose right or wrong.
mi2sense 2 years ago
Quote DaxxFinsta: "there is no gawd."
I agree DF, there is no "gawd". I'm glad you came to that revelation. Christians are suppose to believers in God.
mi2sense 2 years ago
Quote Photekxl: No scientific anything has ever claimed homosexuality doesn't "exist" until the environment brings it out.
The ONLY scientific evidence we have is that homosexuality is discovered environmentally. To say that homosexuality is innate is a lie from the pit that has NEVER been proven scientifically. I know, I know; it makes those mad as all get out that they cant shove their anger down other peoples throats, but such is life.
mi2sense 2 years ago
"The ONLY scientific evidence we have is that homosexuality is discovered environmentally."
Pray tell, where else other than in an environment would we discover any fact about human beings, Mi2sense? I'm going to go out on a limb here to guess that you're not personally familiar with scientific evidence about homosexuality (or a variety of other topics).
ProfMTH 2 years ago
"Pray tell, where else other than in an environment would we discover any fact about human beings, Mi2sense? "
What a hoot Proofinmouth; environment demands an outside influence and the gay agenda asserts homosexuality is an innate nature, not determined environmentally. Welcome to the 21st century? Welcome to 5th grade.
mi2sense 2 years ago
I'm not aware of anyone who argues that there isn't some environmental component to sexual orientation. You just don't know what you're talking about.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I watched this directly after your "the persistence of bigots" video, and I must say, good job undermining the credibility of that video. You don't have half the balls to go through what this man's been through. Bigot indeed.
chrisguy90 2 years ago
He made his own bed, Chrisguy90. Cry me a river.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
lol ProfMTH :) this was hillarious :)
blues260 2 years ago
;-) Thanks.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Why isn't the Holy Spirit living inside of Haggard powerful enough to cleanse him from these "non-compulsive" feelings towards men?
Hmm.......
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago
I'm going to go out on a limb to say that it's because there is no Holy Spirit. Just a guess. ;-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I'm going to go out on a limb and say he didn't read his bible enough. Had he memorized it, he probably could have avoided this fiasco XD
RobotzAreAwesome 2 years ago
Xians are the best proof that there is no gawd. Haggard in particular. What a phony, hypocritical piece of garbage. And his old church? Wow they are good, kind, forgiving xians.
DaxxFinsta 2 years ago
"next time...And do you think you're anti-Semitic?"
LMAO! :D
LazarusXE 2 years ago
;-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I know why he opposes gay marriage. He doesn't want all the good men locked up in loving relationships, then who would he smoke meth with and pay for sex.
johnrainrules 2 years ago
Proving yet again, Johnrainrules, that where one stands on an issue is often deeply dependent on where one sits.
;-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Wait wait wait, I get it. On a dick? :O
MotionFur 2 years ago
lol!
grantorela 3 years ago
;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I'm not straight, I am just sexually attracted to the opposite sex and have no desire towards the same sex.
..does Haggard know what the word "gay" means? Because I don't think he does.
Flyborg 3 years ago
"Im not gay I just have the temptation to have sex with other men" well Im not gay and I have never had that temptation I think you have to be gay to want to have gay sex I mean that would be logical. Anyway it was hilarious when Richard Dawkins tore haggard up that was classic
Jcutta1113 3 years ago
He is NOT gay, its just a sinner... LOL
Did anyone saw the video where he is saying he bought meth but never smoke it? hahahah this guy is amazing.
We should add a picture of ted in the dictionary for 'Hypocrisy'.
SecularWorld 3 years ago
All I can say is, NICE!
tribidemp 3 years ago
Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
having sex with a man doesn't make you gay, it makes you curious. having sex with a gay prostitute on multiple occasions while doing meth in a seedy motel doesn't make you gay make you a deviant that happens to be gay
HA
Zombiefisting 3 years ago
Ted needs help in every way. Poor guy. I can't help but feel sorry for him.
jackson4socks 3 years ago
that man is so gay
SMITHOFBORG 3 years ago
Haggard response??? "What's the fucking big deal? OK, I like a big hard dick pumping in my ass. So what? Yeah, I snort crystal meth. Like you don't? And I suppose you don't cheat on your wife? LOL! We're all sinners. So get SAVED like me. I'm gonna live forever with sweet Jesus and all my Christian friends. Christians can rape and murder and STILL go to heaven! So fuck all Non-Christians. You are all gonna burn in Hell! Ain't it great to be a Christian? Praise Jesus! "
PleasePonderThis 3 years ago
That is so sad. Imagine how much crazy, kinky, amazing sex he could have if he was an atheist.
Oh well. His loss.
ph4rcyd3r 3 years ago
lol
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Dude...ROFL. hahahaha
jackson4socks 3 years ago
I've been aware for a long time that religion is really a branch of showbusiness. You give us your money and we give you some magic.
American evangelists are perhaps the most obvious example. Ted Haggard made a GOOD living milking or fleecing the sheep. Being an evangelist is what pays his bills. He'll say ANY thing to get back on that gravy train :-(
plato12000 3 years ago
"He'll say ANY thing to get back on that gravy train."
Alas to say, I think you've hit the nail directly on the head.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I see that. I actually think that televangelists can accurately be described by Richard Gere's character in Chicago, like a celebrity lawyer arguing for God's existence, but not really caring about the truth of their statements. (No actual comparison between Gere and Haggard is intended though... brrrr)
Cafeeine 3 years ago
I thought being gay was a choice..? These guys are not even consistent...
thalamay 3 years ago
Being consistent would bring that whole theist project down. That's one of the things these guys avoid like the plague.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I am consistently amazed how someone can have a terrible tragedy befall them & then say "I thank jesus for this happening to me." And "jesus came to me when I needed him."
Haggard expressed on Oprah how Jesus came to him & saved him from his suicidal despair.
Well, what about all the devout people who die with no help? Who commit suicide because they are in such despair & don't receive the loving intervention from the jesus they so love??
greyhall1 3 years ago
Amazing how many believers forget that their own scriptures teach that even *thinking* a thought that might be a "sin" is the same as commiting that "sin".
And also amazing how folks leap through hoops to dodge the issue of what it means to be hetero, homo, bi or zoo in any case. As you pointed out, attraction is the thing.
RyuDarragh 3 years ago
ProfMTH, while I agree with your premise, pulling the Hitler/Nazi card usually kills debate. I agree with you here, but I think pulling that card is almost always a mistake, causing your own argument more harm than any other effect it might have on your opponents.
And yes, Haggard is a sleazeball, who lies to gullible people in order to get them to open their wallets. It is probable he knows he is gay, but is putting the public face on to keep working.
mpekarek1 3 years ago
Mpekarek1, I haven't pulled any "card." It seems you missed the intended joke, i.e., about Haggard's sexuality being as obvious as Hitler's anti-Semitism. I'm not one to do the reductio ad Hitlerum. I didn't intend a polemic here; rather, I intended humor -- humor with a message, yes, but humor nonetheless. Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Man, I want to defend him because I can see how sexuality and orientation is fluid. I mean, he had compulsive thoughts and (apparently) has great sex with his wife.
But really... gotta call a spade a spade; he belongs on Church Street (gay district of Toronto)
yenmano 3 years ago
"Church Street (gay district of Toronto) "
Oh, the irony!
justintempler 3 years ago
lol
ProfMTH 3 years ago
It may be a shock that as a former member of the Nation of Islam & now the Nation of Gods & Earths (or Five % NOI) that I say we need to forgive Ted Haggard. The Bible states "we have all fallen short of the glory of God."
Paul the apostle taught homosexuality is an "unnatural sin." The reason y it is so hard for 1 to stop being gay is b/c unlike other sins, it is unnatural. When 1 repents (or turns) from sin, God changes the person. Believers must remain steadfast though & fight temptation.
TribeofShabazz 3 years ago
Well... he's not gay, just homosexual.
(see? gay? happy?... pick up a dictionary people)
Uraharasensei 3 years ago
On that use of the word 'gay', now he *is* gay because he's happy. Oh, the confusion of it all.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
His "career" depends on him not being gay, so of course he is trying to pretend that he is not.
slipcurve 3 years ago
I suspect that's a huge chunk of it.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I agree. I dont know how he can say this with a straight face. If you have any 'compulsion', inclination thought ect about having sex with someone of the same sex - you are gay or at LEAST bi (but probably gay).
LowBudgetReviews 3 years ago
I agree.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Isn't the use of condoms and birth control pills a form of hypocrisy? If it's only natural for a man to sleep with a woman surely the reason for it is procreation.
In this sense a homosexual is unable to procreate and is doing it for pleasure. Is not a hetrosexual couple who uses birth control doing the very same thing?
justintempler 3 years ago
Males, unlike women, are the only humans to have a curiosity gene in them. Males are primitive when it comes to sexual orientation.
People wonder why more men are homosexual than women, its because of this, accompanied by the fact that the prostate is nothing more than a sexual organ? It serves zero purpose, except for sexual pleasure.
I don' t agree with the notion that God said a "man should not lay with another man?" Ancient doctrine doesn't dictate morals, all we have are ethics.
johnhart30 3 years ago
Outside of this explanation, if the man has thoughts of being gay, but doesn't act, how can he be considered a homosexual? If he does actually have intercourse, than yes you could have the unbelievable job of labeling him a homosexual....
A word conjured up out of thin air to make creationists happy at labeling people, which they have done now for a millennium and still counting.
johnhart30 3 years ago
"People wonder why more men are homosexual than women...."
I've always viewed that claim with some skepticism because there is a good bit of research indicating that more women experience same-sex attraction than men. If sexual orientation is to be identified by the gender(s) of the people to whom one is attracted -- as I believe it should be -- as opposed to whether one engages in sexual conduct consistent with that attraction (or at all), then there may well be more lesbians than gay men.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I do believe in your assessment and research. I too have viewed this type of research.
I made that statement because the vast majority of the public tend to assert and think that males are more curios than women, or more "gay."
I was just asserting why that may be the case. People simply don't know or care to do the research.
johnhart30 3 years ago
Furthermore, attraction does not define sexual preference (at least it shouldn't) yet people associate with this preposterous belief system. Visualizing something doesn't label you as someone, or turn you into something? It is actions of carrying out these visualizations that should be the premise for labeling an individual, or being able associate something with an individual.
johnhart30 3 years ago
Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, Johnhart. The fact of the matter is that sexual orientation -- whether heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual -- is a reality quite apart from whether anyone ever engages in sexual conduct. Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I do understand your point of view.....i.e. two men can be in a relationship without having intercourse and still be homosexual....do you believe that thoughts alone can categorize someone's sexual orientation if they are not in an actual homosexual or bi-sexual relationship? I guess that is my real question, sorry if that message got diluted through my other comments.
johnhart30 3 years ago
"do you believe that thoughts alone can categorize someone's sexual orientation if they are not in an actual homosexual or bi-sexual relationship?"
Attraction, Johnhart30, attraction. That's what I'm talking about.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Were you one of them Ted Haggard Christians? lulz
Lusignan34 3 years ago
What do you mean more? Like double?
:/
Lusignan34 3 years ago
dis guy is a waste man, he gets no ratings, big time hypocrite
toxedo911 3 years ago
Yeah!
Why do we as a society enable the denial of God-given physical abilities by reserving the best parking spaces for those with special permits?
All this quibbling over what is innate when their own bodies proven them wrong. Anyone who is honest recognize that the legs they carry on their bodies are innately only fulfilled in the act of walking. Yet they deny this bipedal innate nature in themselves, just so that they can behave contrary to it.
ExcludedLayman 3 years ago
Ex-Lay said: "All this quibbling over what is innate when their own bodies proven them wrong. Anyone who is honest recognize that the legs they carry on their bodies are innately only fulfilled in the act of walking. Yet they deny this bipedal innate nature in themselves, just so that they can behave contrary to it. "
Tell me one person you know in a wheelchair that doesn't want to walk.
mi2sense 3 years ago
Homosexuals need to get honest with themselves and own their morality. All this quibbling over what is innate when their own bodies proven them wrong. Anyone who is honest recognize that the male sperm and female eggs they carry in their bodies are innately only fulfilled in the opposite sex. Yet they deny this heterosexual innate nature in themselves, just so that they can behave contrary to it.
Not rocket science.
mi2sense 3 years ago
"Not rocket science."
ROFL!
ProfMTH 3 years ago
The other thing which intrigued me was his wife sitting there with him. Why? What is in this for her? She has got to see how messed up this whole situation is. Why sit next to the guy while his dirty laundry gets aired?
I don't get it.
Super8888887 3 years ago
it was hilarious that, a day after that Ted Haggard documentary aired on HBO, the front page of CNN reported he admitted to more sexual tom foolery. Ted, you're GAY, get over it. No amount of scripture in the world is going to "save" you. So sad.
photekxl 3 years ago
"Sexual orientation is innate, behavior is not."
Then you are disoriented PMth and you need a dictionary. Orientation does mean an act, or state of being oriented. This is why, when you went to school or started a new job you had to go through orientation.
Behavior likewise means actions or reactions of a person. Take that little tweezers of your out and put it to better use. As the video proclaims, it aint just a river in Egypt.
mi2sense 3 years ago
"...you need a dictionary."
This is laugh-out-loud funny coming from someone who is likening sexual orientation to an orientation program at a new job or school. Please, Mi2sense, if this cretinous drivel is the best you can come up with, go post it somewhere else. Perhaps you'll find someone who's inclined to help you remedy your ignorance.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Is that the best you can do, is just get bent out of shape about it PMth? Don't blame me, blame Webster.
I'm sorry that I believe Webster over some hysterical insult flailing yahoo on the internet.
You'll get over it. =*D
mi2sense 3 years ago
mi2sense,
since you are so fond of dictionary definitions:
sexual orientation n.
The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes, especially a direction seen to be dictated by physiologic rather than sociologic forces. Replaces sexual preference in most contemporary uses.
physiologic
adjective 1. of or pertaining to physiology.
2. consistent with the normal functioning of an organism.
justintempler 3 years ago
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mi2sense 3 years ago
And that same dictionary also defines "interest" as curiosity, a desire or a want. Wants are not always needs and just because a person can get sexually excited (the normal function of a sex organ) by something that is wrong does not put the stamp of approval on it. The same argument could be made for pedophiles.
mi2sense 3 years ago
Pedophiles in order to carry out the sex act would be guilty of rape since children do not have the ability to consent to sex.
Stop being so ignorant.
justintempler 3 years ago
"Pedophiles in order to carry out the sex act would be guilty of rape since children do not have the ability to consent to sex."
Not true. Listen to the full Oprah show, where Haggard tells of having sex as a child with one of his father's friends and he did not think of it as abuse because the offender made it pleasureable to his underage body.
mi2sense 3 years ago
take a deep breath and think before responding..
you keep deleting and reposting your comments
see above
justintempler 3 years ago
There's another problem with your argument
Pedophilia
n. The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.
Pedophilia includes both hetrosexual and homosexual acts. If you bother to investigate you will find the majority of pedophilia is hetrosexual.
The majority of cases are step-fathers or boyfriends molesting FEMALE children.
justintempler 3 years ago
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mi2sense 3 years ago
mi2sense, "he did not think of it as abuse because the offender made it pleasureable to his underage body"
more ignorance....
usdoj definition
"Children are usually unable to protect themselves because of
their level of physical and mental development"
age of consent varies state by state
Ted said he was in the 2nd grade which makes him about 8 years old.
Are you really that stupid?
justintempler 3 years ago
mi2sense,
Would you let an 8 year old do heroin because he thinks it feels good?
Just becasue an 8 year consents because it "feels good" is a stupid argument.
I hope you think a Verrrry long time before having kids of your own.
justintempler 3 years ago
mi2sense,
Because it's an argument that always get's brought up whenever the subject of homosexuality is brought up.
ignorant = lack of knowledge
which you have shown in your argumentation
if you find that deragatory..so be it.
justintempler 3 years ago
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mi2sense 3 years ago
"Is that the best you can do, is just get bent out of shape about it PMth?"
I didn't get bent out of shape. I simply told you the truth: your comments thus far ooze ignorance and confusion. The best thing I can do for you is what I did, i.e., tell you the truth.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
An ex-Gutton had thoughts about eating a whole cake and still thinks about eating a whole cake, but he isnt a glutton.
What boggles the mind is that homosexual people push their sexual behavior as an innate nature. Doing something that isnt right can feel very good. Doesnt make it right.
mi2sense 3 years ago
"What boggles the mind is that homosexual people push their sexual behavior as an innate nature."
Oh, Mi2sense, I suspect your mind is boggled regularly. In any case, you're incorrect here. No one argues that sexual behavior is, to use your redundant term, "an innate nature." Sexual orientation is innate, behavior is not. I hope that helped to unboggle things a bit for you. Good luck.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Being attracted to the same sex is innate, numb-nuts. The expression might be dormant depending on the environment in which one is raised, but eventually it will, pardon the pun, "come out." Gays no more choose to be gay than I do to be straight. And there's nothing wrong with a relationship between two, consenting adults who are gay, so why don't you spare us your pathetic attempt at a psychoanalysis about what "feels good". You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
photekxl 3 years ago
Phot-e said: "Being attracted to the same sex is innate, x&8@#. The expression might be dormant depending on the environment in which one is raised, but eventually it will, pardon the pun, "come out."
Pro-gay hypothesis=it hides till the environment brings it out and...
Heterosexual scientific method: it doesn't exist till the environment brings it out.
mi2sense 3 years ago
No scientific anything has ever claimed homosexuality doesn't "exist" until the environment brings it out. Please stop talking out of your ass. And don't start with that "pro-gay" shit. I'm no more "pro-gay" than I am pro-gravity. It's just the way things work, and I don't have a problem with it. When I'm at a bar I don't choose to find the opposite sex attractive, just as gay people do not choose to find the same sex attractive. It really is as simple as that.
photekxl 3 years ago
A perfect choice of music for this video would have been "Gay Messiah" by Rufus Wainwright.
BeauClayton 3 years ago
This video makes no sense at all. "No i dont think I'm gay, I did wonder about that" What does gay mean to him anyway. Since hes apparently not defining it as having strong strong urges to have sex with other men, it must just be the physical act. But he did that too. Pursued and initiated it even. How does his brain not explode with this much cognitive dissonance.
mrkurt13 3 years ago
"How does his brain not explode with this much cognitive dissonance."
Well, that's why he's working harder the a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest to put all of this into categories he can deal with. It's painful to watch.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
He had sexual thoughts about guys, he had sex with guys, and he still thinks about having sex with guys...but he isn't gay....
It boggles the mind. I need an easier nutshell to crack. I think I'll get back to that whole Free Will/ Predestination thing...
chuckfaststrat 3 years ago
cock smoker
Bluenosedwill1 3 years ago
Can't help but feel sorry, in a way, for him. Eh... but he's a dick :X
MotionFur 3 years ago
Here's a question for all you gay people who insist that Ted Haggard is a homosexual:
Have you been attracted to or had sex with someone of the opposite sex? Does that make you heterosexual?
Everything's not black or white. Why can't you at least consider the idea that Haggard may be BISEXUAL?
The "issue" that he needs to deal with is his belief in an imaginary god, and his repressive religion.
His choice to stay with his family is not a bad one.
jonsonbrown 3 years ago
I could consider the idea that he might be bisexual if he could consider the idea that some people are straight, some gay, some bi, and none of these is a sin but a natural variable, and if he could consider apologizing for bashing those who are gay or bi.
I don't think Haggard is in denial about his sexuality as much as he is in denial about his hypocrisy.
momotubeuk 3 years ago
"Have you been attracted to or had sex with someone of the opposite sex? Does that make you heterosexual?"
Sexually attracted, no. Had sex with women? Yes, when I was in the closet. It was unpleasant -- to say the least.
"Everything's not black or white. Why can't you at least consider the idea that Haggard may be BISEXUAL?"
He may well be. In fact, I suspect that's what he is. However, he can't even bring himself to say that. He's just "complicated." Please.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"His choice to stay with his family is not a bad one."
Did anyone suggest that it was a bad choice? I certainly didn't.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
"However, he can't even bring himself to say that. He's just "complicated." Please. "
I do have compassion for him. He is a victim of religious oppression, just like most of us have been at one time or another.
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve all the ridicule he's getting; he does. Whether or not he's sincere in his apologies and "rehabilitation" remains to be seen. But he does seem to have changed his tune a little.
jonsonbrown 3 years ago
Haaaahhh hah ha ha ha! Grrrrrrrreat! (As always, Prof!)
hernantoro 3 years ago
Thanks.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
LOL
chalkers 3 years ago
Sorry, it was "Root Of All Evil", Enemies came later..
androgenik 3 years ago
Ted Haggard won't come out of the closet until they find out he's actually been banging men.
O wait, they already did? And he's STILL somehow in the closet?
Never mind....
uberjim83 3 years ago
lol
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Ted Haggard is a clinically fascinatingly bad actor.
The first question he starts answering with some candour. There's focus and eye contact, until he reaches "but they're not compulsive" at which point he shuts his eyes. In his second answer we see exaggerated head tilting - to seem 'reasonable/honest' - and more prolonged blinking (the nearest one can get to not looking someone in they eye before actually looking away).
His body language lets the meth out of the bottle every time.
QualiaSoup 3 years ago
"His body language lets the meth out of the bottle every time."
Qualia, my friend, the above-quoted line should be used in the promos for every interview Mr. Haggard gives. It hits the nail right on the head.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
;^>
... as does your end caption!
QualiaSoup 3 years ago
If you watched Richard Dawkins's documentary "Enemies of Reason" you would realize that Ted Faggard is astonishingly ignorant person detached from many aspects of reality.
Maybe these things would happen a lot less if the education system is better and there are no oxymoronic faith schools.
It's all about cascading effect of education.
androgenik 3 years ago
Initially I thought this fellow was just high on drugs and was just looking for something or anything to suck his dick, but then I learned that he did in fact systematically look for other males to do that - while of course preaching against it the next day.
My feeling is that men are (culturally) hard wired against these type of feelings because of the nature of property relations, but I could be wrong.
Kierketaard 3 years ago
Who is Ted Haggard?
EtaCarinae22 3 years ago
Seriously?
PhildotheGreat 3 years ago
Idiot. I wouldn't have asked if I knew. So who is he?
EtaCarinae22 3 years ago
Wiki him rather than calling folk idiots, please.
It's Ted Haggard, the former head of a megachurch and the National Association of Evangelicals. He spent much time attacking homosexuals and other targets of Christianity, and then was found to be doing meth and soliciting male prostitutes.
In January, he described his sexuality as complex and something that can't be put into "stereotypical boxes." Yet he can't grasp that this describes everyone, and continues to espouse hatred.
TempestStormwind 3 years ago
just because you have sex with a guy doesn't make you gay, have sex on multiple occasions while using meth and preaching that you hate gays still doesn't make you gay. So what makes you gay? It's only during Christmas when you don the appropriate apparel
Zombiefisting 3 years ago
LOL, he is so ridiculous.
Iliketostalkpeople 3 years ago
I'm glad you see the correlation between naziism and sodomy.
antipelagian 3 years ago
Hatred towards gays is no different than the hatred towards Jews that permeated Germany during the Holocaust.
Captain42x 3 years ago
"I'm glad you see the correlation between naziism and sodomy."
Antipelagian, yet again you show yourself to be the king of the non sequitur.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I'm not a heterosexual.... I think about women, but it isn't compulsive. I just think about their sweaty body against mine....but I don't act upon it. No, I'm not that way....No.
LOL
loveisallneed 3 years ago
;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
oh, Ted. You're never getting a high-paying job at a mega-church again, no matter how much you deny being gay.
samsroomie 3 years ago
If you watch the HBO documentary, it's clear that the guy is pretty much without the skills and qualifications to do anything else. No wonder he's so busy trying to get back into the game.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Oh man... I dislike the guy but after watching 'The Trials of Ted Haggard' I feel really sorry for him. It's sad just how derailed his life got by being an evangelical. He didn't learn anything about the real world.
jussts 3 years ago
It's just... WTF? The whole situation with Ted Haggard from beginning to end is one big "WTF?".
VioletCosmonaut 3 years ago
Indeed.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Look ive taken a cock or two in my time, even jerked off a football team in the locker room into a cup and drank evey last load, but i was bored, nothing gay about that at all. (looks left and right)
Dugwillcutyou 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'm almost tempted to feel sorry for ol' Teddy........but nah! Laughing at his misfortune is more fun. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'm mean, I know.
sthebg20 3 years ago
Oh sure...Ted Haggard Is Completely Heterosexual!
smalltownatheist 3 years ago
"Oh sure...Ted Haggard Is Completely Heterosexual! "
Did you see the Roy Zimmerman song? It's awesome! Brilliant! Super top best!
watch?v=HZmHC75FDqQ
Glory Howheblewyah!
MrFacet 3 years ago
Some people are so afraid of who they really are. Its hilarious how he thinks demons are running around just throwing homosexual hookers and meth in front of him, just to get him to stray from god. Man those demons did some damn good work.
zbambam5 3 years ago
Yeah, it's so difficult when you're a heterosexual man and some gay hooker keeps tripping and landing his mouth on your dick.
Ted's so straight.
...straight as a pretzel!
Neilsama 3 years ago
"Man those demons did some damn good work."
Yeah, they managed to find a guy who likes to grab a little strange with another guy once in a while *and* digs meth. What are the odds? ;-)
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I just wish Ted Haggard could scream: "I AM GAY AND I LOVE IT"
And then travel to San Fransicso.
But the social and dogmatic webs he has weaven himself into prevents him from doing that.
qanazir 3 years ago
"the social and dogmatic webs"
An apt description.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I just love poetic justice. Of course people like this is in denial. No matter how much evidence you present to them they will still believe in whatever it is to make themselves feel comfortable. Letterman should have done this interview!
drackbaby 3 years ago
"Letterman should have done this interview!"
That would have been great.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
Fuck Oprah, she's now a rich bitch who's forgotten where the hell she came from and where she still lives !!!! She's more fucked than most of the people she interviews !!!
ziparmux 3 years ago
well at least now he knows homosexuality isnt a choice.
ultrasquid 3 years ago
I'm sure he would argue that homosexuals have the 'choice' to spend the rest of their lives denying themselves sexual pleasure or love.
eirefrance 3 years ago
Which of course is different, Eirefrance, from homosexuality or heterosexuality -- basic sexual orientation versus sexual acts.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
True. I wonder how Haggard rationalizes having urges but not acting on them? He says he's not homosexual, right? So, he must think homosexuality is an act, not an orientation. Prof, you've given me great insight into the mind of the Christian homophobe. Thanks (I think).
eirefrance 3 years ago
I suppose this clip shows that we can never really "win" against these people.
But ah well, let's get as many of them as we can!
Gnug215 3 years ago
"I DO have sexual thoughts about men"
"Do you think you're gay?"
"No."
Later on the Oprah show, Oprah's Va-jay-jay is painin.
ConstantlyQuestion 3 years ago
LOL.
ProfMTH 3 years ago
I don't want him to come out, I think it is rather hilarious that he denies that he is gay lol
socialrev 3 years ago
When was Ted Haggard on Oprah? And, btw, he's in DEEP denial.
bu1ckgnx 3 years ago
Earlier this week -- Tuesday, if I'm remembering correctly.
ProfMTH 3 years ago