It has come to being said that the original video is more about hypocrisy than anything else. And I agree with that. I also agree that Jesus doesn't seem to be at the CORE of religion anymore. There are seemingly, as many people have stated, other agendas. What's wrong with that picture? Jesus not being at the core? I think a lot. People are hip to deceit nowadays; smarter. Truth matters.
This guy is crazy religion is what causes war. Religion is what separates us as brothers and sisters religion causes confusion when the truth is to follow the path of Jesus Christ excepting as our savior acknowledging what's rite and wrong and the great benefits of having the the Lord and Jesus Christ in your corner knowing nothing but live for them. Not living life in fear and trying your best to be what we are hear to be and that's to love sacrifice and to help one another succeed in life
The original video is not saying "Don't go to Church." Hes saying we shouldnt use our faith to promote a political agenda that has nothing to do with gospel ie the Republican Party, nor should we use our faith to look down on sinners, since Christ came to save sinners In short I think he was trying to decouple a relationship with God from the baggage associated with Christianity Thats a good thing Theres alot about the Church that turns people off That shouldn't turn people off to Christ
Jer 7, Acts 7:47-52, Gen 2, Luke 17:20-21. He is within man, not buildings.Religion was the foreshadow of the Savior. The saviour as written in Isaiah 45 is the Father. Who speaks thru all his children. Whether man, woman, or child as says Joel 2:28 & John 1, John 4, & John 8.
@7isObedience The Father saves thru his spirit & word. Yahusha/Christ was just a blood sacrifice for Judas in trade for money.Abolishing religious enslavement to be seen. but to relate wherever yu stand. perfecting the laws to the mind and heart, and not merely books. yu walk the laws then they become one with yu and yu no longer need to reread a book. because theyre written in your concious to give regret. he is near to a man of regret and a broken heart-Isa 65. Peace,
Only Muslims are responding to that Atheist video logically. Muslims are defending Jesus Christ and religion more by clarifying misconceptions about Jesus Christ. Muslims respect Jesus Christ as a prophet MORE than Christians respect him as god. Well done my Muslim borthers and sisters. And no wonder then why its said (about the corrupted Bible) that the difference b/w Christians and ex-Christians is that the ex-Christians have read the Bible. Try the last testament, the Quran.
@GODGOTMYSOUL That's fine and dandy, but what happens when you and a friend have completely DIFFERENT beliefs on the nature of Christ, and the notion of a "relationship." That's what creates DIFFERENT religious beliefs. People then congregate together to worship in the SAME manner with the SAME beliefs. That's what religion is. It has nothing to do with a "relationship." It's a non sequitur to imply that the only way to have a true "relationship" with God is not be affiliated with a religion.
@marcoticon It would be more ignorant to assume that following wisdom of long-standing tradition based on a wide variety of human experience and adapting it to our own experience in this day and age is somehow inferior to casting aside the experience of others and living out of a personal view that is relativized by a narrow vision of reality in the context in which one lives.
@pbars319 A "narrow vision" the vision of a member of any organized religion within the context will always be inherently more narrow because the mind is constricted to the confines of the religions belief system. my mind however is as free and open to any and all possibilities, but i use logic, analysis and skepticism to discover the world for my self. where as you are told and it seems that no matter how much all the evidence and signs point elsewhere if the belief system is established early
@marcoticon Perhaps your experience of religion, or lack thereof has narrowed your perception so much that you don't see the true nature of how a religious person analyses, is critical of the information they receive, and think freely to come to personal logical conclusions. If someone simply goes along with a belief without reason or questioning, that's their decision. But to think this is how it is meant to be is a mistake. your last sentence is a blatant false assumption.
@marcoticon And I'm curious as to what evidence and signs to which you are referring that contradicts Christianity (more particularly Catholicism, because that is the form of Christianity in which I am more studied). Thanks in advance for the clarification, I look forward to further dialogue
@pbars319 enough and by elders who you respect and wish to please and they do there unwitting duty in indoctrination you will never question ur and others assumptions. do u really think that in this vast universe and what we describe as reality in all its incredible mystery YOU know (how) (who) and (why). people have thought they did for thousands of years before ur religion was even conceived, and they were wrong, why are you right?
@marcoticon perhaps indoctinization is initially how someone receives information. However, as they mature in intellect, they ought to reason it out for themselves. If they have questions, they're encouraged to probe. Maybe you haven't seen or experienced this personally, but that's how it is through my experience. I don't deny that many people don't bother to question, but it's not designed to systematically manipulate.
@marcoticon there was a time when in the Catholic Church, the method of educating to the faith was more about memorizing the rules and not questioning, but it is simply no longer the focus, especially as the second Vatican Counsel is understood more deeply.
Also, I never claimed to "know" everything. I have faith in a God who alone knows all. I received my degree in physics from Berkeley, and have a deep appreciation for the mysteries of the universe, & keep a mind heart open to learn more.
Everyone misses the point of the original video. This video clearly comes from a catholic standpoint. You cant really say anything about a video from a protestant view. Same goes for Muslims. His complaint about religion is its hypocrisy, not that the establishment itself isn't Biblical.
@SayWhat232 If U read further comments, you will see that the "point" was not missed. To point out hypocrisy is 1 thing, but to me misleading and fuel atheists and others is another. Ur comment about not being able to comment on it is non-sensical. How ought we come to understand each other and grow united if we "can't" dialogue about it. If we were to all have that point of view, there would be little progress in the world. "You are this, so you can't comment on my thought." Where's the growth?
@pbars319 Well, the first two pages of people missed the point. Sure, you can state your opinion, but it cant exactly apply. Catholicism, Islam, ect, are different religions than Christianity. I don't think he (Jefferson) was speaking out against religion as a whole, (including Catholicism, Islam, ect) but rather only speaking about his religion, that being Christianity. If you've watched any interviews or his other vids, you can see he only speaks of Christianity.
@eurotank90 It's a bold statement to imply that Catholicism is not Christianity, my friend. You may be defining Christianity outside the norm, but be clear about what you mean my that term before pushing aside the dominant way of Christianity in all of its history.
@VirusX2k1 In terms of raw data... number of members, cultural, political & civil influence, etc, yes, dominant. I'm not making a biased statement simply looking at the historical data. This is not a matter of pride, but one of objective critical analysis.
@VirusX2k1 (2) point being this: It's gross ignorance to not include exclude Catholics from the category of "Christian." If one is to define Christian in some other (unusual) way, then they ought to express that clearly before making such a statement.
@pbars319 My point in saying that you cant exactly comment on it, from what Ive stated previously, is that any other practice, doesnt apply because its different. Forgive my bad example, but its like a tennis player giving a baseball player tips on how to swing. It might be close in the sense that both players swing at a similarly sized ball, but it doesnt mean that technique its interchangeable. But like I said, I believe he speaks only for Christianity when he says the work religion.
@eurotank90 That it an interesting example. Though I assert that certain "practices" of one form of Christianity & another are based on fundamental theological interpretations of the same Scripture -> Its necessary to dialogue & articulate perspectives to come to a greater understanding of the Truth in revelation. If you look into documents of the Vatican II, you may be surprised to see the implications of the term "Christian unity." Google: decree on Ecumenism Unitatis Redintegratio
@vumanhle1965 so why are u watching a video about religion if its so fucked? you're more fucked. the greatest singers bob marley, paul mccartney, tupac, are all religious
@vumanhle1965 This is a common mistaken belief by uninformed Catholics (I can't speak for other Christians). The Term "original sin" does not imply a child is conceived as sinful, or has any personal sin against them. It is a term that describes mankind's fallen, or "wounded" nature, we all have a good nature, created by God but weakened through the sins of humanity. Look up Catechism of the Catholic Church #396 starts a section on sin. It's quite helpful in understating Christian perspective
@pbars319 Original sin comes from Romans 5:12 which says that b/c Adam sinned we are all sinners. The moment you're born into this world you are a sinner. You aren't born with a good nature into this world. if that were true, then why do you have to teach babies to do good? you don't have to teach them to do bad. They have a sinful nature so they already know how to do that. that's how it works out. the catholic church has original sin messed up.
@AWitte20 (2) When we are born, we do not have the intellectual development to understand anything but ourself. Infant Psychologists agree that babies initially see the univers as an extension of themself. It takes time to slowly develop an understanding of the other. So I would say we have a broken (or fallen) nature, scarred by the sins of humanity, but not a sinful nature. It would be a contradiction to say that something God makes is anything but good by nature.
@AWitte20 Thanks for proving my point that I can only speak for Catholicism. I respect you point of view because logically it somewhat makes sense that 1 would say that we are born sinful because of our innate self-centeredness. Be held personally accountable for sinful acts, one must be at a stage of intellectual development to understand that a particular act is immoral (described by Catholics as "the age of reason"). (continue)
@vumanhle1965 According to Islam every child ever born on this planet is a Muslim. every child is born pure, that's why when children die they go straight to heaven. That's why we call new Muslims REVERTS cos they come back to the pure nature they were born with, the nature that there's a Great Lord to worship him ALONE>> PEACE :)
@SayyedKhan001 Good to know, thanks for the clarification.
I'm not well studied in islamic theology, so if you can let me know of the suras that address this, or other topics of sin, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
Asalamu Aleykum Bro...I'm a student myself bro but ill tell yoiu this:
Islam teaches that every human being is born sinless; no child carries the burden of his or her ancestors' sins. Allah says, "No carrier shall carry the burden of others." (Qur'an; chp. 35, verse 18). Each human being is born with a pure conscience which can absorb and accept the true message of Allah. It is only the social and familial influences which take a person away from Allah's message.
@vumanhle1965 I'm not religious, but think there is some value in that idea. The fact of the matter is we do have to consume life in order to sustain life, so existing does have some inherent "sinfulness", or evil, in it.
@translucentplenum, God is real is is what created everything and since you don't love and believe in him, well, all I can say if have fun burning in hell..(: have a nice day now,, ya hear?
@Harleigh9000 what the fuck? i dont think you are the right person to be in heaven either. God will condemn you on judgement day just like i condemn you today. im not religious i just dont like seeing people being put down unjustly
@DoneDiddit Are you sure islam was created by man,was it god who actually asked Prophet Muhammad to forward the message about the true religion.And wasn't it hidden that the Romans where actually the one who changed the bible,the people who created the trinity.And have you heard about the people of taif,where Muhammad suffered excruciating pain,the people of taif threw rocks at him,chased him away.Yet when the angels ask wether to crush the mountains on the people of taif and he said no!And
Holy shit! You're all fucking retarded when are you going to wake up and realize that god doesn't exist the way you fucking protray him if at all.... You're all so stupid it's ridiculous.
@TranslucentPlenum At first I thought that such an angry and irrational response doesn't deserve a reply (actually I thought I should delete it). But then I thought I may simply ask you how is it that you can be so sure that God doesn't exist that you can look down upon those who believe. If it is so obvious to you that he doesn't exist, can you point out the simple logical reasoning that leads you to such a conclusion so that I may understand.
@pbars319 Yes, IT'S A PARADOX YOU TOOTHY CUNTED BITCH! An All loving, omnipotent being that allows eternal torture... PARADOX.... An omnicient being capable of choice PARADOX not to mention the COUNTLESS contradictionss in the bible. Love your enemy, eye for an eye. There'd be no inconsistencies if written by an eternal creator and I'd expect nothing less. even you having free will while he has a plan, PARADOX. look up "God of paradox" youtube, and you'll see further extensive examples.
@TranslucentPlenum Your assumption that all Christians have the same beliefs about the Bible may be one cause of this frustration. First, "eternal torture" isn't something that God does in vindication, but something one would choose for themself by denying to accept God's love. We have free will and God won't manipulate us, even for his own benefit and for our good.
@TranslucentPlenum 2nd: It's absurd to think God wrote the bible and handed it to mankind. The Bible is a collection of books (like a library), wich we consider sacred and inspired by the Holy Spirit. So it is written by MAN, and expresses certain aspects of God's nature through various writing styles for many target audiences with a historical context.continue to (3)...
@TranslucentPlenum (3) It cannot be looked at as one continues book. over time God revealed himself to us more fully, live a baby being fed milk at first and then solid food as we matured spiritually. Our level of understanding of God, and our readiness for his revelation is seen as you progress through the books within the Bible. The fullness of his revelation is in Jesus: his Word made flesh, and throughout Jesus life...therefore all scripture must be viewed through the person of Christ.
@TranslucentPlenum (4) for example: the Mosaic law said "an eye for an eye." As we are ready to receive a fuller revelation of God's law, Jesus gives the command to pray for your enemy and turn the other cheek. Jesus is inviting us to get beyond "fairness" and act with selfless love. It is not a contradiction of the law, but a greater fulfillment of it which reflects a clearer image of God's love.
@pbars319 Not to mention the fact that god in itself is evil, if the genesis of everything, therefore because he is omnibenevolent, evil is then good. direct contradiction.
@TranslucentPlenum It's important to note that this rejection of God isn't a rejection of a false notion of God, but a rejection of God's true self. So if one were to reject the notion of a God that creates evil and enjoys watching His people suffer, then my rejection is of a false notion of God, not of the true God. Those evil spirits had the opportunity to see God as He truly is and still decided to reject Him.
@TranslucentPlenum God created everything, yes. But if someone chooses in their own freedom to act against love, their action is "evil." Just as "cold" is the absence of heat & darkness is the absence of light, evil is a choice against God, an absence of love, not a created thing of God. The "Devil" and other evil spirits were created by God & were 'good,' but became evil of their own doing by their radical definitive decision to irrevocably reject God (Love) [cf CCC 392-393].
@TranslucentPlenum (5) Having a plan for us doesn't negate free will. In the end, God's will will ultimately be done, and he will restore all unity. However, that does not imply all the particulars of how this happens is set in stone. There are many instances when God's will is not done; when we act against love, then His will is not accomplished. However God is beyond our sinfulness and will restore all things, but he will never take away our freedom even if it's against His plan.
@TranslucentPlenum The video which you asked me to watch was simply littered with logical flaws; it also based some arguments on false assumptions about many theists. I don't doubt that some individuals use the term "supernatural" for the purposes in that video, but many do not. If you care to bring up a specific topic broached in the video, I'm game, but I'm not about start that conversation unless you were actually interested in a dialogue.
@TranslucentPlenum BTW: By definition, the God of everything MUST be supernatural. God is not one being among many. God is being itself. God simply IS. to imagine Him as one among his creation is silly, although many people (even some Christians) do have the flying spaghetti monster belief, that He is a mystical sky-fairy that grants wishes like a genie. This is a common mistake on which many atheists ground their argument. If I was told to believe in a God like that, I'd be atheist too...
@mrbilingual Yeah, all you assholes get through to me. How about you stop telling me what to do, and if you don't like my comments, ignore them. it gets through to me that this dick no doubt got paid for this, that people give their hard earned money to churches for NOTHING AT ALL IN RETURN. Why the fuck does god need money anyway.... oh wait. he doesn't he''s an imaginary creation.
You are troubled, deeply troubled! I do not know whether your are possessed, but I do know that you are heavily oppressed. If you have an issue with God take it up with God. It is the attention you seek from othters that compells you to continue sending inane responses. This man might be muslim or Christain, but he did not ask you or I to listen to him. He is not your issue. You are your issue!! Like a demon, you seek out light and try to destroy it.
@TranslucentPlenum For clarity: DB Disciple and myself made this video out of our own free will and desire.
Also it's ridiculous to assume that God needs money. However, if people CHOOSE to be a part of an institution which nourishes their deep desires & want it to continue to provide this service in the society in which we live, then the institution must get money from somewhere. If they decide not to give, thats their prerogative. All church institutions ought to be transparent about finances
@number201120122013 You got that right...Only God can save. Let us not forget that we, his faithful, make up the Body of Christ. No institution can grant Salvation, but being a member of his Body, we remain united to Him as branches on the vine of Life.
in the bible it says follow no man or religion!!!! religion is man made label that gives you false hope. jesus christ is the only way to go is that our only task? if it is its not called religion its a relationship
"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world." James 1:27
My Church Plays The Real "Why I Hate Religion But Love Jesus Spoken Word" Video! It is an amazing Video and i have always hated religion that video makes so much sence... i am a christian i have faith and relationship, i am a grateful believer in Jesus Christ..
I have come to this conclusion, I hate religion, for it is just a set a motions. I am all for tradition in the church, so long as it comes from the heart. In a nutshell I believe this, Jesus died for our sins, and god loves us all, but many have gone astray, and need to stop just going through the motions.
@mysticdragon0514, you must have misunderstood me see, cause i do belong to a church, a very amazing one, i study at bible school and volunteer at a youth ministry. i am very involved with other believers known as the "church" what i am saying is that whether want to believe it or not Christians are the number one reason that people don't come to church. not all of them but there are some churches who are way too judgmental for their own bad
@mysticdragon0514 And how do you know as a FACT that Christianity is true yet Islam is not? If you base your belief on faith, then you can't prove it. In other words, I am equally as likely to end up in Christian hell as you are likely to end up in Islamic hell.
@randommmetalhead Well your chances are higher seeing as Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet yet it disregards his teachings. See Christians believe that Islam is completely false, while Islam says it holds some truth. And Jesus said he was the only way. So going off of the fact that you believe Jesus was a prophet then you should probably listen to him right? And that would make Christianity more probable of being correct than Islam based on what you believe.
@DoneDiddit (part 1) You're missing the point. Islam has many contradictions, but I could point out contradictions in you Bible as well. Both Islam and Christianity have no evidence of being true, so they are equally unlikely. If the God of the Old Testament, which both Christians and Muslims believe in, exists, then why does modern science contradict his supposed omnipotence? The Bible states the world is only 6,000-10,0000 years old, yet radiometric dating clearly points the to...
@DoneDiddit (part 2)...age of the Earth being 4.5 billion years old. Also, if the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, then why are certain stars visible from Earth, even though they are over 10,000 light years away? The light wouldn't have enough time to reach earth. How could the millions of species of animals fit on an ark? What did the carnivores eat? Why is there no evidence of a world-wide flood? If the ark was high enough in the air to be above Mt. Everest, there wouldn't be...
@randommmetalhead I have a couple points I'd like to respond to this on, but Youtube isn't the place to respond. The Bible doesn't explicitly say the Earth is 10,000 or fewer years old. The seven "days" of creation are only on the creation and formation of the earth. A close reading of Genesis will reaveal a lot of answers to your questions here.
@DoneDiddit (part 3)...enough oxygen for most animals to survive. So there is some scientific evidence disproving the myths of the Torah, which Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in. So, that means that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are equally likely to be incorrect.
Younsay Jesus gave peter the keys to make a good holy church, but todays church and religion is corupt. And im not just one sided my uncles a bishop and my familly is devout but i think we need to start again without the coruption that has spoilet the faith we believe in so we should not be separated but united together to make things right.
@Shellshock434 Yes, there are many examples of corruption, but I'm not sure what your implications are in terms of "starting over." Yes, we have a long way to go to achieve unity and to make adjustments needed in order to minimize potential further complications in the institutions of the churches, but there will always be those who are unbending and many who have selfish intentions, so no matter what, institutions will be flawed.
@Shellshock434 However, the Church is constantly striving to better itself as an institution, but much of this effort is unseen due to the corruption that has been unveiled -hardening the hearts of individuals, and giving them tunnel-vision. dialogue and change must be a cooperative effort, and one of great patience.
@1petekelly Don't be sorry, people disagree all the time. What, specifically do you disagree with?
Too many people go to church and just turn to the verses they're told. Ever notice how hardly anyone reads it when they get home? IDK about you but when I read a book, it's from start to finish, not skipping all around it. What are they skipping over?
If people would read the bible, they would see what all the preachers are desperately trying to avoid. The bible is rated XXX. Just read it PLEASE
@iiCRUCIALii No problem. I'll give one example right from Genesis. The story of Lot, his wife and 2 daughters. Sodom and Gomorrah was where they lived. God saw the city as wicked&needed punishment. He was going to kill both cities but there was one good man to save. God sent 2 angels to Lot, the people demanded they be turned over to rape them and Lot gave them his daughters instead.
When leaving, God turns the wife into a pillar of salt and Lot fucks his daughters on consecutive nights.
@2eelShmeal dont misinterpret reread and read carefully. also He gave them a command to not look back which she broke and then died...i see it like this: 1.we are all sinful right?we cant be with God from the start because of our sinful nature, so God showed us the law which if we followed we would be deemed as righteous...but obviously we couldnt even follow that, and when we broke the law we deserved death, what im trying to get to is God used the Law to show we needed a savior
@2eelShmeal His daughters got there father drunk and had sex with him because they we're in fear that they wouldn't have children with anyone.I think your right in one sense that scripture is xxx but it is describing mankinds ways which are degrading sometimes,it doesn't hide this which surely is what you would want when reading an account of history.?
@2eelShmeal Just to be clear, it's a collection of books and letters. Reading it cover to cover in order has it's great benefits, but it can also be taken in sections, as it is important to also look into the historical background.
@2eelShmeal I just disagree with your comment that if we read the bible we would then be atheist:)I have read the bible and i understand it.The answers are there,we just have to keep humble to see,hear the answers:)
@1petekelly Science makes you humble. Religion says the whole of creation was made for mankind while science says we are no different from any other animal.
@lsgraulau Science believes in Time,Space and Matter.Genesis declares that God in the Beginning(TIME) created the Heavens(SPACE) and the Earth(Matter).Science is catching up with the Bible.God has already revealed these truths in His Word for those who humble themselves and ask for truth.He also states that Mankind was created differently to the animals by receiving a spirit which makes us totally different to the animals he created.
@2eelShmeal Sounds like some1s reading the Bible like a history book instead of a collection of sacred texts w/ many authors & a historical context w/ a particular audience. If I was told I had to look at it like a history book and believe it for the particulars and not the truth being revealed, Id be an atheist too. It's like disregarding Shakespeare because I'm not aware of the historical context & the richness hidden in the lines of the vernacular that speaks of deeply human realities.
@pbars319 No, it sounds like I'm reading the book like any other. Are you saying that some parts are just allegory, like an Aesop's morality fable? I agree. A lot of what is in the bible is not meant to be taken literally.
The problem is once we admit that some parts are real and some are just allegory, then how the heck can we tell WHICH parts are just allegory?
Was the virgin birth and the resurrection meant to be allegory? ANd who is to decide? It throws the whole bible into question.
@2eelShmeal Great questions. That comes with discernment and prayer. If I were to pretend to have a direct answer to that question, I'd be fooling only myself. A good key to reading the Bible is to put it all in the context of Salvation history: the cycle of creation, fall, restoration, and so on from generation to generation. Then look through the "lense" of Jesus Christ. All of the Bible makes more sense in terms of His revelation, that's why this poem says that he came to fulfill.
@pbars319 Ok So how are we to tell what parts are real and what parts are allegory? You haven't answered that.
BTW, I LIKE Jesus' teachings. Be humble, rich man can't get to heaven, pray in private, don't be like the hypocrites who like to be seen worshipping...
What happened to Jesus' message ANYWAY? All we hear is virgin birth this, resurrection that.... His message is totally lost and I think that's fucked up.
If he were here today, he'd SNAP on these fake ass boastful Christians. Uknowit
@2eelShmeal If u click on the "sort by thread" option at the top of the comments page, it may be easier to see when I was responding to each comment. I didnt even see the allegory question until after you posted I "still" haven't answered it. Sorting by thread may help.
Glad to hear u like His teachings. I think we agree on more than I first thought. Yes, it is no good that his message is often forgotten. However, it's also important to continue the dialogue in spite of controversy.
@2eelShmeal and if you are atheist, when you die, and you encounter a fiery pit, will you be willing to take that chance friend? Seek Jesus and his Holy Catholic (Universal) and apostolic Church.
@2eelShmeal Islam is wrong because their religion was created by man. Christ founded the mass so that we may worship him in this sense. Jesus is love, the Koran clearly states that one must convert all and all who resist shall perish. aka Jihad and sharia law. They are not a religion of peace at all
Here is some proof. In the year 800, a catholic priest doubted the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The host turned into a beating heart with blood right before him. This heart is still around today with no sign of deterioration.
Another example, Our lady of Fatima has shown herself many times. Several times during the medieval century. twice in Mexico where our lady revealed the 3 secrets both in which 2 of them came true already. and St. Burnadette in France, where even to this day, you can drink the water from the Spring and it has healing properties. God creates these things not for proof, but for guidance. He wants you to come come. So please friend come home to the one true faith
@mysticdragon0514 Scare tactics, no matter what truth they may be based on, rarely "work" for atheists. We must meet them with the patience, gentleness, and compassion Jesus would exemplify. In the spirit of St. Francis de Sales: Dialogue and rational explanations of personal experience, and sharing of one's heart, are the potent perfume with which one can draw someone to the sweetness of God's grace.
@2eelShmeal It's imposible to explain in context of the "flying spaghetti monster," because God is not One being among many of his created beings. God simply IS... God is being itself (he calls himself I AM). Relating 2 God is similar to how I relate to others but at the same time, its quite different. Seeing God as 1 being among many is a fundamental misconception many have about God (even many Christians), & that's the starting point to relating to Him, knowing that he is God, not a creature.
(part3) After knowing the depth of human love we can make deeper connections with the Truth revealed in Jesus. As our relationships with others mature, and we come to know ourselves more deeply and become more open to the reality of God's revelation through Christ, we come to know God more and more, developing relationship with Him through prayer - a "dialogue of hearts", if u permit me to metaphorically speak in the spirit of St. Francis de Sales.
@2eelShmeal (Part2) I come to know of Him at fIrst through created reality. That's why he Gave us senses, to perceive his greatness and our belovedness.
Just as we can come to know about an architect through analysis of his design, I come to know God through analysis of creation, especially anything good about humanity
@2eelShmeal (part1) Relationship with any person begins with knowing them. it develops through shared experience and a mutuality of willing the good of the other, acting on it, and desiring to connect at an ever-more intimate level. Since I believe God is all knowing and all loving, I believe he always holds up his end of the mutuality, but in order to build relationship I must hold up my end.
Jeff was talking about false religion in his video, not what you're referring to as religion. James 1:27 tells what pure religion is.
Jeff's video is addressing how many "Christians" get so caught up in following traditions and doing all the do's of playing church that they forget the whole reason why we have church in the first place. If we have a true loving relationship with God, His commandments will be met.
Dude, I just Love Jesus :) He is what matter's. I can get with the Jeff guy was saying because sometimes churches are way too judmental they make people think they need to clean up their life first when really Jesus wants them as they are. really they just need to cling to His light... I can only say this becuz the church pushed me away from God, wasnt till i seeked Him on my own that I really got anything out of it... MAke Him yur own PEOPLE <3
@chardollaz92 Thats great that you found jesus...but..you need a church..a divine moderator to guide you. If you seek Jesus, the way you want to seek him. You own PERSONAL rendition of him, it is the wrong path. God wants to be worshiped and have a relationship with you in one way. That way is the Catholic mass. Only when we are in divine prayer in unity with the holy Eucharist, one body,blood, soul and divinity, r you truly with him. There is no greater form of worship than that here on earth
How can you say you love "religion" when you obviously doesn´t love the belief in quetzacoatl, Osiris, Zeus or Scientology. Religion doesnt always equal just christianity.
Learn about other religions to see what you have in common, don´t be so close minded.
@The1VoiceOfReason If you can bring to my attention where in this video there is an implication that Christianity is the only religion, I may be able to understand your statement a bit better.
"We build our churches as dwellings for our God and our King"
"He gave us the Church, the Sabbath, and all of Creation."
No mention of other places of worship. Just jewish and christian places. And, btw, we SONT build churches for our God to dwell in. Church BUILDINGS are for humans. Christ lives in his CHURCH, comprised of human beings. Just sayin.
@azuretuber The fact that God permeates all of His creation doesnt negate the fact that God also dwells in the worship space. Its of great value to designate a place for the faithful to recognize Gods presence. You yourself assert that Christ lives in the assembly of the faithful, for they are His body & were two or more gather in His name, He is there. Thus, when we specify a place of worship, we intentionally gather in His name, recognizing his presence (in the building we gather). (continued)
@azuretuber So please forgive the artist for taking a little poetic license and saying what is in the poem instead of saying "we build our churches for the assembly of the faithful to gather as the Body of Christ to intentionally recognize His dwelling among us as because where two or more are gathered in His name He is there."
:-) (sorry about the sarcasm, I hope it's taken in a jovial manor)
@pbars319 You only talk about Jesus. That is not religion it´s christianity. If you were talking about Jesus and Muhammed and Jesus never resurrected but was a prophet that would be Islam. If you were saying Jesus were not flesh and blood but only a spirit and that GOD was satan that would be marconionism etc. I just find it false advertising when saying its about religion its really about your particular kind of religion called christianity. Why u love christianity is more truthful
@The1VoiceOfReason The issue is that the first video was about Jesus being in some way against religion as a whole (or at least that is how it came across to many). This video rebuts that notion with a few counterpoints relating to Jesus and personal experience. It in no way negates other religions, nor is the intent advertisement. If it is interpreted in such a way due to the particular wording, I must apologize, but if it's due to particular prejudice (conscious or not), that's another story.
@grizzle4567 You're presumption that I believe religion saves is false. God is the only one who can grant Salvation. This video addresses the issue of Jeff's ambiguity, which feeds atheistic and anti-ecclesial fervor. He may have been trying to make the point you mention above, but his method of doing so is questionable. You may get it because of your current situation, but I question the effectiveness of inspiring those who don't already believe, or changing the hearts of hypocrites.
@pbars319 you make assertions towards how Jeff's are questionable: but you've got nothing to back your declarations up. WHY are they so questionable, Jeff? Is it because they're worded not-so-comfortably to the religious? Or is it cuz it appeals so much to the less religious world? Don't something is such, without first explaining why. That's a fallacy of assumption/the loaded question.
@azuretuber Simply look at many of the responses and you will see what I am talking about in terms of the ambiguity feeding atheistic fervor. I pose the question of how effective is it in it's effectiveness of inspiring those who don't already believe. the level in which it appeals to me isn't of importance, it's what it does for those who are turned off to something good due to their misreading of Jeff's intent.
(Cont.from below-From St. Augustine of Hippo (392 A.D.) "For starting from the apostolic chair down through successions of bishops, even unto the open confession of all mankind, it has possessed the crown ofteaching authority."
St.Augustine of Hippo(392AD) "The Catholic Church is the work of DivineProvidence,achieved through the prophecies of the prophets, through the Incarnation and the teaching of Christ, through the journeys of the Apostles, through the suffering, the crosses, the blood and death of the martyrs, through the admirable lives of the saints.When, then, we see so much help on God's part, so much progress and so much fruit, shall we hesitate to bury ourselves in the bosom of that Church?SeeAboveLastPart
They were not new inventions. Protestant (meaning came from protesters of the Catholic Church) traditions were originated by Calvin, Luther and then more tradition was added along the way.Much to respect of other faiths but the fullness of the Faith in in Catholicism.
There was no such belief as faith alone or tulip then.Their belief was in Blessed Mother, baptism saves and infant baptism, faith and works, true body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharist, incense, alters, candles, statues-paintings of Saints and crosses with our crucified lord on them, confessing to priests....these practices are documented from Christ's time on earth up until now.
Eusibius of Caesarea (4th Century 400's) "But the brightness of the Catholic Church proceeded to increase in greatness, for it ever held to the same points in the same way, and radiated forth to all the race of Greeks and barbarians the reverent, sincere, and free nature and the sobriety and purity of the divine teaching as to conduct and thought." (Ecclesiastical History 4, 7,13)
the early Church Fathers. Read their writings....this is a Christians window into what Christ passed from his day to the apostles and then from the apostles to other disciples...there was no Bible written yet during some of these writings.
hey nice video but I don't think you interpret well what the other guy is saying... He is talking about being transformed from the inside out that comes from a ge
It has come to being said that the original video is more about hypocrisy than anything else. And I agree with that. I also agree that Jesus doesn't seem to be at the CORE of religion anymore. There are seemingly, as many people have stated, other agendas. What's wrong with that picture? Jesus not being at the core? I think a lot. People are hip to deceit nowadays; smarter. Truth matters.
alteredcontrast 2 hours ago
This guy is crazy religion is what causes war. Religion is what separates us as brothers and sisters religion causes confusion when the truth is to follow the path of Jesus Christ excepting as our savior acknowledging what's rite and wrong and the great benefits of having the the Lord and Jesus Christ in your corner knowing nothing but live for them. Not living life in fear and trying your best to be what we are hear to be and that's to love sacrifice and to help one another succeed in life
brktrojan 10 hours ago
The original video is not saying "Don't go to Church." Hes saying we shouldnt use our faith to promote a political agenda that has nothing to do with gospel ie the Republican Party, nor should we use our faith to look down on sinners, since Christ came to save sinners In short I think he was trying to decouple a relationship with God from the baggage associated with Christianity Thats a good thing Theres alot about the Church that turns people off That shouldn't turn people off to Christ
michaelgj23 13 hours ago
So beautiful. Amen brother.
cbasallie 18 hours ago
Numbers 23:19
New International Version (NIV)
19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
airjordenforever 1 day ago
Jer 7, Acts 7:47-52, Gen 2, Luke 17:20-21. He is within man, not buildings.Religion was the foreshadow of the Savior. The saviour as written in Isaiah 45 is the Father. Who speaks thru all his children. Whether man, woman, or child as says Joel 2:28 & John 1, John 4, & John 8.
7isObedience 1 day ago
@7isObedience The Father saves thru his spirit & word. Yahusha/Christ was just a blood sacrifice for Judas in trade for money.Abolishing religious enslavement to be seen. but to relate wherever yu stand. perfecting the laws to the mind and heart, and not merely books. yu walk the laws then they become one with yu and yu no longer need to reread a book. because theyre written in your concious to give regret. he is near to a man of regret and a broken heart-Isa 65. Peace,
7isObedience 1 day ago
That was so beautiful that I almost cried
TheCatholicone 1 day ago
Only Muslims are responding to that Atheist video logically. Muslims are defending Jesus Christ and religion more by clarifying misconceptions about Jesus Christ. Muslims respect Jesus Christ as a prophet MORE than Christians respect him as god. Well done my Muslim borthers and sisters. And no wonder then why its said (about the corrupted Bible) that the difference b/w Christians and ex-Christians is that the ex-Christians have read the Bible. Try the last testament, the Quran.
heavensentboy 1 day ago
IT'S A "RELATIONSHIP" WE BUILD AND HAVE WITH GOD THROUGH CHRIST JESUS WHO DIED FOR OUR SINS NOT A RELIGION
GODGOTMYSOUL 2 days ago
@GODGOTMYSOUL That's fine and dandy, but what happens when you and a friend have completely DIFFERENT beliefs on the nature of Christ, and the notion of a "relationship." That's what creates DIFFERENT religious beliefs. People then congregate together to worship in the SAME manner with the SAME beliefs. That's what religion is. It has nothing to do with a "relationship." It's a non sequitur to imply that the only way to have a true "relationship" with God is not be affiliated with a religion.
MojaveLV 2 days ago
What a wast of a brain, just try making up ur own mind for a change instead of folowing a blue print of ancient ignorance
marcoticon 2 days ago
@marcoticon It would be more ignorant to assume that following wisdom of long-standing tradition based on a wide variety of human experience and adapting it to our own experience in this day and age is somehow inferior to casting aside the experience of others and living out of a personal view that is relativized by a narrow vision of reality in the context in which one lives.
pbars319 2 days ago
@pbars319 A "narrow vision" the vision of a member of any organized religion within the context will always be inherently more narrow because the mind is constricted to the confines of the religions belief system. my mind however is as free and open to any and all possibilities, but i use logic, analysis and skepticism to discover the world for my self. where as you are told and it seems that no matter how much all the evidence and signs point elsewhere if the belief system is established early
marcoticon 1 day ago
@marcoticon Perhaps your experience of religion, or lack thereof has narrowed your perception so much that you don't see the true nature of how a religious person analyses, is critical of the information they receive, and think freely to come to personal logical conclusions. If someone simply goes along with a belief without reason or questioning, that's their decision. But to think this is how it is meant to be is a mistake. your last sentence is a blatant false assumption.
pbars319 1 day ago
@marcoticon And I'm curious as to what evidence and signs to which you are referring that contradicts Christianity (more particularly Catholicism, because that is the form of Christianity in which I am more studied). Thanks in advance for the clarification, I look forward to further dialogue
pbars319 1 day ago
@pbars319 enough and by elders who you respect and wish to please and they do there unwitting duty in indoctrination you will never question ur and others assumptions. do u really think that in this vast universe and what we describe as reality in all its incredible mystery YOU know (how) (who) and (why). people have thought they did for thousands of years before ur religion was even conceived, and they were wrong, why are you right?
marcoticon 1 day ago
@marcoticon perhaps indoctinization is initially how someone receives information. However, as they mature in intellect, they ought to reason it out for themselves. If they have questions, they're encouraged to probe. Maybe you haven't seen or experienced this personally, but that's how it is through my experience. I don't deny that many people don't bother to question, but it's not designed to systematically manipulate.
pbars319 1 day ago
@marcoticon there was a time when in the Catholic Church, the method of educating to the faith was more about memorizing the rules and not questioning, but it is simply no longer the focus, especially as the second Vatican Counsel is understood more deeply.
Also, I never claimed to "know" everything. I have faith in a God who alone knows all. I received my degree in physics from Berkeley, and have a deep appreciation for the mysteries of the universe, & keep a mind heart open to learn more.
pbars319 1 day ago
You & that other guy should make a video together. A duet, & a debate. You seem really knowledgeable on what you believe in.
taz198666 3 days ago
While the creatures of this earth were fighting among one another,the son of God was busy been the Lord.
While humanity were arguing back and forth,about this and that.
The son of God was busy been the Lord.
And tomorrow like yesterday the son of God will continue been the eternal Lord.
TOLTECAAZTECA 4 days ago
Everyone misses the point of the original video. This video clearly comes from a catholic standpoint. You cant really say anything about a video from a protestant view. Same goes for Muslims. His complaint about religion is its hypocrisy, not that the establishment itself isn't Biblical.
SayWhat232 4 days ago
@SayWhat232 If U read further comments, you will see that the "point" was not missed. To point out hypocrisy is 1 thing, but to me misleading and fuel atheists and others is another. Ur comment about not being able to comment on it is non-sensical. How ought we come to understand each other and grow united if we "can't" dialogue about it. If we were to all have that point of view, there would be little progress in the world. "You are this, so you can't comment on my thought." Where's the growth?
pbars319 4 days ago
@pbars319 Well, the first two pages of people missed the point. Sure, you can state your opinion, but it cant exactly apply. Catholicism, Islam, ect, are different religions than Christianity. I don't think he (Jefferson) was speaking out against religion as a whole, (including Catholicism, Islam, ect) but rather only speaking about his religion, that being Christianity. If you've watched any interviews or his other vids, you can see he only speaks of Christianity.
eurotank90 3 days ago
@eurotank90 It's a bold statement to imply that Catholicism is not Christianity, my friend. You may be defining Christianity outside the norm, but be clear about what you mean my that term before pushing aside the dominant way of Christianity in all of its history.
pbars319 2 days ago
@pbars319 "Dominant way of Christianity in all its history"? Not quite. I'm not saying catholicism is insignificant, but it isn't "dominant".
VirusX2k1 2 days ago
@VirusX2k1 In terms of raw data... number of members, cultural, political & civil influence, etc, yes, dominant. I'm not making a biased statement simply looking at the historical data. This is not a matter of pride, but one of objective critical analysis.
pbars319 2 days ago
@VirusX2k1 (2) point being this: It's gross ignorance to not include exclude Catholics from the category of "Christian." If one is to define Christian in some other (unusual) way, then they ought to express that clearly before making such a statement.
pbars319 2 days ago
@pbars319 My point in saying that you cant exactly comment on it, from what Ive stated previously, is that any other practice, doesnt apply because its different. Forgive my bad example, but its like a tennis player giving a baseball player tips on how to swing. It might be close in the sense that both players swing at a similarly sized ball, but it doesnt mean that technique its interchangeable. But like I said, I believe he speaks only for Christianity when he says the work religion.
eurotank90 3 days ago
@eurotank90 That it an interesting example. Though I assert that certain "practices" of one form of Christianity & another are based on fundamental theological interpretations of the same Scripture -> Its necessary to dialogue & articulate perspectives to come to a greater understanding of the Truth in revelation. If you look into documents of the Vatican II, you may be surprised to see the implications of the term "Christian unity." Google: decree on Ecumenism Unitatis Redintegratio
pbars319 2 days ago
@pbars319 I'm SayWhat232 by the way. I just share a pc with my bro and i sometimes forget to check if its my account or his. XD
eurotank90 3 days ago
@eurotank90 Thanks for the clarification... I look forward to continued dialogue
pbars319 2 days ago
According to Christians we are all born with sin..... Really? Religion is so fucked
vumanhle1965 5 days ago
@vumanhle1965 so why are u watching a video about religion if its so fucked? you're more fucked. the greatest singers bob marley, paul mccartney, tupac, are all religious
Xiethetuber 4 days ago
@vumanhle1965 This is a common mistaken belief by uninformed Catholics (I can't speak for other Christians). The Term "original sin" does not imply a child is conceived as sinful, or has any personal sin against them. It is a term that describes mankind's fallen, or "wounded" nature, we all have a good nature, created by God but weakened through the sins of humanity. Look up Catechism of the Catholic Church #396 starts a section on sin. It's quite helpful in understating Christian perspective
pbars319 4 days ago
@pbars319 Original sin comes from Romans 5:12 which says that b/c Adam sinned we are all sinners. The moment you're born into this world you are a sinner. You aren't born with a good nature into this world. if that were true, then why do you have to teach babies to do good? you don't have to teach them to do bad. They have a sinful nature so they already know how to do that. that's how it works out. the catholic church has original sin messed up.
AWitte20 3 days ago
@AWitte20 (2) When we are born, we do not have the intellectual development to understand anything but ourself. Infant Psychologists agree that babies initially see the univers as an extension of themself. It takes time to slowly develop an understanding of the other. So I would say we have a broken (or fallen) nature, scarred by the sins of humanity, but not a sinful nature. It would be a contradiction to say that something God makes is anything but good by nature.
pbars319 2 days ago
@AWitte20 Thanks for proving my point that I can only speak for Catholicism. I respect you point of view because logically it somewhat makes sense that 1 would say that we are born sinful because of our innate self-centeredness. Be held personally accountable for sinful acts, one must be at a stage of intellectual development to understand that a particular act is immoral (described by Catholics as "the age of reason"). (continue)
pbars319 2 days ago
@vumanhle1965 According to Islam every child ever born on this planet is a Muslim. every child is born pure, that's why when children die they go straight to heaven. That's why we call new Muslims REVERTS cos they come back to the pure nature they were born with, the nature that there's a Great Lord to worship him ALONE>> PEACE :)
Al0Rasheedi 4 days ago
@vumanhle1965
According To Islam We Are All Born Sinless.
SayyedKhan001 4 days ago
@SayyedKhan001 and that's not true. we are born in sin. Romans 5:12. [:
AWitte20 4 days ago
@SayyedKhan001 Good to know, thanks for the clarification.
I'm not well studied in islamic theology, so if you can let me know of the suras that address this, or other topics of sin, I'd appreciate it. Thanks!
pbars319 2 days ago
@pbars319
Asalamu Aleykum Bro...I'm a student myself bro but ill tell yoiu this:
Islam teaches that every human being is born sinless; no child carries the burden of his or her ancestors' sins. Allah says, "No carrier shall carry the burden of others." (Qur'an; chp. 35, verse 18). Each human being is born with a pure conscience which can absorb and accept the true message of Allah. It is only the social and familial influences which take a person away from Allah's message.
Jazakal'Allah
SayyedKhan001 1 day ago
@vumanhle1965 I'm not religious, but think there is some value in that idea. The fact of the matter is we do have to consume life in order to sustain life, so existing does have some inherent "sinfulness", or evil, in it.
cdphatty 4 days ago
@translucentplenum, God is real is is what created everything and since you don't love and believe in him, well, all I can say if have fun burning in hell..(: have a nice day now,, ya hear?
Harleigh9000 5 days ago
@Harleigh9000 Not sure how effective statement is...
pbars319 5 days ago
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Xiethetuber 4 days ago
@Harleigh9000 what the fuck? i dont think you are the right person to be in heaven either. God will condemn you on judgement day just like i condemn you today. im not religious i just dont like seeing people being put down unjustly
Xiethetuber 4 days ago
@Harleigh9000 I think the whole "burning in hell" thing is what really killed religion for me hah
SincerelyFacetlous 4 days ago
@DoneDiddit Are you sure islam was created by man,was it god who actually asked Prophet Muhammad to forward the message about the true religion.And wasn't it hidden that the Romans where actually the one who changed the bible,the people who created the trinity.And have you heard about the people of taif,where Muhammad suffered excruciating pain,the people of taif threw rocks at him,chased him away.Yet when the angels ask wether to crush the mountains on the people of taif and he said no!And
demoofdemos 5 days ago
Your forgetting grace, if we have a relationship with god then the rest will follow,
TrebbleMovement 6 days ago
i m IN not b cos of this RAP or HIP HOP for the re comments ...peace brother ...praise the loard
susithsx 6 days ago
propably this is Jew
Ponuryzniwiarzful 6 days ago
nice propaganda xD and nice RAP or hip hop boys
Ponuryzniwiarzful 6 days ago
Holy shit! You're all fucking retarded when are you going to wake up and realize that god doesn't exist the way you fucking protray him if at all.... You're all so stupid it's ridiculous.
TranslucentPlenum 6 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum At first I thought that such an angry and irrational response doesn't deserve a reply (actually I thought I should delete it). But then I thought I may simply ask you how is it that you can be so sure that God doesn't exist that you can look down upon those who believe. If it is so obvious to you that he doesn't exist, can you point out the simple logical reasoning that leads you to such a conclusion so that I may understand.
Thanks
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usernameanvandarnamn 6 days ago
@pbars319 Yes, IT'S A PARADOX YOU TOOTHY CUNTED BITCH! An All loving, omnipotent being that allows eternal torture... PARADOX.... An omnicient being capable of choice PARADOX not to mention the COUNTLESS contradictionss in the bible. Love your enemy, eye for an eye. There'd be no inconsistencies if written by an eternal creator and I'd expect nothing less. even you having free will while he has a plan, PARADOX. look up "God of paradox" youtube, and you'll see further extensive examples.
TranslucentPlenum 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum Your assumption that all Christians have the same beliefs about the Bible may be one cause of this frustration. First, "eternal torture" isn't something that God does in vindication, but something one would choose for themself by denying to accept God's love. We have free will and God won't manipulate us, even for his own benefit and for our good.
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum 2nd: It's absurd to think God wrote the bible and handed it to mankind. The Bible is a collection of books (like a library), wich we consider sacred and inspired by the Holy Spirit. So it is written by MAN, and expresses certain aspects of God's nature through various writing styles for many target audiences with a historical context.continue to (3)...
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum (3) It cannot be looked at as one continues book. over time God revealed himself to us more fully, live a baby being fed milk at first and then solid food as we matured spiritually. Our level of understanding of God, and our readiness for his revelation is seen as you progress through the books within the Bible. The fullness of his revelation is in Jesus: his Word made flesh, and throughout Jesus life...therefore all scripture must be viewed through the person of Christ.
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum (4) for example: the Mosaic law said "an eye for an eye." As we are ready to receive a fuller revelation of God's law, Jesus gives the command to pray for your enemy and turn the other cheek. Jesus is inviting us to get beyond "fairness" and act with selfless love. It is not a contradiction of the law, but a greater fulfillment of it which reflects a clearer image of God's love.
pbars319 5 days ago
@pbars319 Not to mention the fact that god in itself is evil, if the genesis of everything, therefore because he is omnibenevolent, evil is then good. direct contradiction.
TranslucentPlenum 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum It's important to note that this rejection of God isn't a rejection of a false notion of God, but a rejection of God's true self. So if one were to reject the notion of a God that creates evil and enjoys watching His people suffer, then my rejection is of a false notion of God, not of the true God. Those evil spirits had the opportunity to see God as He truly is and still decided to reject Him.
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum God created everything, yes. But if someone chooses in their own freedom to act against love, their action is "evil." Just as "cold" is the absence of heat & darkness is the absence of light, evil is a choice against God, an absence of love, not a created thing of God. The "Devil" and other evil spirits were created by God & were 'good,' but became evil of their own doing by their radical definitive decision to irrevocably reject God (Love) [cf CCC 392-393].
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum (5) Having a plan for us doesn't negate free will. In the end, God's will will ultimately be done, and he will restore all unity. However, that does not imply all the particulars of how this happens is set in stone. There are many instances when God's will is not done; when we act against love, then His will is not accomplished. However God is beyond our sinfulness and will restore all things, but he will never take away our freedom even if it's against His plan.
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum The video which you asked me to watch was simply littered with logical flaws; it also based some arguments on false assumptions about many theists. I don't doubt that some individuals use the term "supernatural" for the purposes in that video, but many do not. If you care to bring up a specific topic broached in the video, I'm game, but I'm not about start that conversation unless you were actually interested in a dialogue.
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum BTW: By definition, the God of everything MUST be supernatural. God is not one being among many. God is being itself. God simply IS. to imagine Him as one among his creation is silly, although many people (even some Christians) do have the flying spaghetti monster belief, that He is a mystical sky-fairy that grants wishes like a genie. This is a common mistake on which many atheists ground their argument. If I was told to believe in a God like that, I'd be atheist too...
pbars319 5 days ago
@pbars319 we must pray for them and all people wheater they believe in God or not. Just ignore the non- believers.
MsMichelle103 5 days ago
@pbars319 AMEN :) PREACH BRUTHA PREACH
MsMichelle103 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum
Seems like he is getting through to you. If you do not like it, ignore it!
mrbilingual 5 days ago
@mrbilingual Yeah, all you assholes get through to me. How about you stop telling me what to do, and if you don't like my comments, ignore them. it gets through to me that this dick no doubt got paid for this, that people give their hard earned money to churches for NOTHING AT ALL IN RETURN. Why the fuck does god need money anyway.... oh wait. he doesn't he''s an imaginary creation.
TranslucentPlenum 5 days ago
You are troubled, deeply troubled! I do not know whether your are possessed, but I do know that you are heavily oppressed. If you have an issue with God take it up with God. It is the attention you seek from othters that compells you to continue sending inane responses. This man might be muslim or Christain, but he did not ask you or I to listen to him. He is not your issue. You are your issue!! Like a demon, you seek out light and try to destroy it.
mrbilingual 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum For clarity: DB Disciple and myself made this video out of our own free will and desire.
Also it's ridiculous to assume that God needs money. However, if people CHOOSE to be a part of an institution which nourishes their deep desires & want it to continue to provide this service in the society in which we live, then the institution must get money from somewhere. If they decide not to give, thats their prerogative. All church institutions ought to be transparent about finances
pbars319 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum God doesn't exist? Then please tell, what do YOU think is the meaning of life and why we're here in the Universe?
misterEd555 5 days ago
@TranslucentPlenum i will pray for u amen. i love u.
MsMichelle103 5 days ago
The Catholic Church can't save you. Only Jesus can save you. Grace through faith.
number201120122013 6 days ago
@number201120122013 You got that right...Only God can save. Let us not forget that we, his faithful, make up the Body of Christ. No institution can grant Salvation, but being a member of his Body, we remain united to Him as branches on the vine of Life.
Peace to you, my friend.
pbars319 6 days ago
Try reading Romans 5:4 and tell me if god says religion is right. But I liked your beard
ooTHiRDLeGENDoo 1 week ago
@ooTHiRDLeGENDoo please continue. I like romans 5:4, but don't see what you are implying. Thanks
pbars319 1 week ago
in the bible it says follow no man or religion!!!! religion is man made label that gives you false hope. jesus christ is the only way to go is that our only task? if it is its not called religion its a relationship
prisci247 1 week ago
One of the best answers! Don Bosco is my saint of this year! Thank you :)
Defton19881 1 week ago
"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world." James 1:27
tonoklein 1 week ago
I swear I thought he was a muslim
criccraze786 1 week ago
St. Peter? Jesus said we will do more than Him, Peter was no different from us.
mivurvostenzuk 1 week ago
My Church Plays The Real "Why I Hate Religion But Love Jesus Spoken Word" Video! It is an amazing Video and i have always hated religion that video makes so much sence... i am a christian i have faith and relationship, i am a grateful believer in Jesus Christ..
sweetlybroken0777 1 week ago
I have come to this conclusion, I hate religion, for it is just a set a motions. I am all for tradition in the church, so long as it comes from the heart. In a nutshell I believe this, Jesus died for our sins, and god loves us all, but many have gone astray, and need to stop just going through the motions.
MrBeanmachine17 1 week ago
Great Video
Pax et Bonum!
redbaron998 1 week ago
@mysticdragon0514, you must have misunderstood me see, cause i do belong to a church, a very amazing one, i study at bible school and volunteer at a youth ministry. i am very involved with other believers known as the "church" what i am saying is that whether want to believe it or not Christians are the number one reason that people don't come to church. not all of them but there are some churches who are way too judgmental for their own bad
chardollaz92 1 week ago
@mysticdragon0514 And how do you know as a FACT that Christianity is true yet Islam is not? If you base your belief on faith, then you can't prove it. In other words, I am equally as likely to end up in Christian hell as you are likely to end up in Islamic hell.
randommmetalhead 1 week ago
@randommmetalhead Well your chances are higher seeing as Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet yet it disregards his teachings. See Christians believe that Islam is completely false, while Islam says it holds some truth. And Jesus said he was the only way. So going off of the fact that you believe Jesus was a prophet then you should probably listen to him right? And that would make Christianity more probable of being correct than Islam based on what you believe.
DoneDiddit 6 days ago
@DoneDiddit (part 1) You're missing the point. Islam has many contradictions, but I could point out contradictions in you Bible as well. Both Islam and Christianity have no evidence of being true, so they are equally unlikely. If the God of the Old Testament, which both Christians and Muslims believe in, exists, then why does modern science contradict his supposed omnipotence? The Bible states the world is only 6,000-10,0000 years old, yet radiometric dating clearly points the to...
randommmetalhead 2 days ago
@randommmetalhead Allah, is not God. How is that the same our God Jehovah? It's not even the same name. They had a false phrophet arise.
TamaraShaun 2 days ago
@DoneDiddit (part 2)...age of the Earth being 4.5 billion years old. Also, if the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, then why are certain stars visible from Earth, even though they are over 10,000 light years away? The light wouldn't have enough time to reach earth. How could the millions of species of animals fit on an ark? What did the carnivores eat? Why is there no evidence of a world-wide flood? If the ark was high enough in the air to be above Mt. Everest, there wouldn't be...
randommmetalhead 2 days ago
@randommmetalhead I have a couple points I'd like to respond to this on, but Youtube isn't the place to respond. The Bible doesn't explicitly say the Earth is 10,000 or fewer years old. The seven "days" of creation are only on the creation and formation of the earth. A close reading of Genesis will reaveal a lot of answers to your questions here.
somecallmedaniel16 2 days ago
@DoneDiddit (part 3)...enough oxygen for most animals to survive. So there is some scientific evidence disproving the myths of the Torah, which Jews, Christians, and Muslims believe in. So, that means that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are equally likely to be incorrect.
randommmetalhead 2 days ago
@randommmetalhead Study this again.
Fail.
TamaraShaun 2 days ago
watch my video in response to muslims
watch?v=N5I_RdSuMwQ&feature=plcp&context=C3934e3cUDOEgsToPDskKdHdj9_GrCMd71LMProTIz
Andy2542 1 week ago
@iverson4mvp3 So by your line of reasoning, YOU can't judge Adolf Hitler as being evil because YOU never had a personal relationship with him.
randommmetalhead 1 week ago
Younsay Jesus gave peter the keys to make a good holy church, but todays church and religion is corupt. And im not just one sided my uncles a bishop and my familly is devout but i think we need to start again without the coruption that has spoilet the faith we believe in so we should not be separated but united together to make things right.
Shellshock434 1 week ago
@Shellshock434 Yes, there are many examples of corruption, but I'm not sure what your implications are in terms of "starting over." Yes, we have a long way to go to achieve unity and to make adjustments needed in order to minimize potential further complications in the institutions of the churches, but there will always be those who are unbending and many who have selfish intentions, so no matter what, institutions will be flawed.
pbars319 1 week ago
@Shellshock434 However, the Church is constantly striving to better itself as an institution, but much of this effort is unseen due to the corruption that has been unveiled -hardening the hearts of individuals, and giving them tunnel-vision. dialogue and change must be a cooperative effort, and one of great patience.
pbars319 1 week ago
catholicscomehome
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mysticdragon0514 1 week ago
+1
Great one!
amanogawamakoto 1 week ago
As an atheist all I can say to Christians is:
If you want to REMAIN a Christian and keep your faith protected, please PLEASE PLEASE
DO NOT READ YOUR BIBLE
because if you do, you'll be an atheist by the end of Genesis. I PROMISE YOU.
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal sorry...i 100percent disagree
1petekelly 1 week ago
@1petekelly Don't be sorry, people disagree all the time. What, specifically do you disagree with?
Too many people go to church and just turn to the verses they're told. Ever notice how hardly anyone reads it when they get home? IDK about you but when I read a book, it's from start to finish, not skipping all around it. What are they skipping over?
If people would read the bible, they would see what all the preachers are desperately trying to avoid. The bible is rated XXX. Just read it PLEASE
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal just asking.. but how do you see the bible as rated XXX?
iiCRUCIALii 1 week ago
@iiCRUCIALii No problem. I'll give one example right from Genesis. The story of Lot, his wife and 2 daughters. Sodom and Gomorrah was where they lived. God saw the city as wicked&needed punishment. He was going to kill both cities but there was one good man to save. God sent 2 angels to Lot, the people demanded they be turned over to rape them and Lot gave them his daughters instead.
When leaving, God turns the wife into a pillar of salt and Lot fucks his daughters on consecutive nights.
XXX
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal dont misinterpret reread and read carefully. also He gave them a command to not look back which she broke and then died...i see it like this: 1.we are all sinful right?we cant be with God from the start because of our sinful nature, so God showed us the law which if we followed we would be deemed as righteous...but obviously we couldnt even follow that, and when we broke the law we deserved death, what im trying to get to is God used the Law to show we needed a savior
iiCRUCIALii 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal His daughters got there father drunk and had sex with him because they we're in fear that they wouldn't have children with anyone.I think your right in one sense that scripture is xxx but it is describing mankinds ways which are degrading sometimes,it doesn't hide this which surely is what you would want when reading an account of history.?
1petekelly 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal Just to be clear, it's a collection of books and letters. Reading it cover to cover in order has it's great benefits, but it can also be taken in sections, as it is important to also look into the historical background.
pbars319 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal I just disagree with your comment that if we read the bible we would then be atheist:)I have read the bible and i understand it.The answers are there,we just have to keep humble to see,hear the answers:)
1petekelly 1 week ago
@1petekelly Science makes you humble. Religion says the whole of creation was made for mankind while science says we are no different from any other animal.
lsgraulau 1 week ago
@lsgraulau Science believes in Time,Space and Matter.Genesis declares that God in the Beginning(TIME) created the Heavens(SPACE) and the Earth(Matter).Science is catching up with the Bible.God has already revealed these truths in His Word for those who humble themselves and ask for truth.He also states that Mankind was created differently to the animals by receiving a spirit which makes us totally different to the animals he created.
1petekelly 1 week ago
@1petekelly I AM JESUS,
I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION, I AM THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...
ulived1969 6 days ago
@2eelShmeal Sounds like some1s reading the Bible like a history book instead of a collection of sacred texts w/ many authors & a historical context w/ a particular audience. If I was told I had to look at it like a history book and believe it for the particulars and not the truth being revealed, Id be an atheist too. It's like disregarding Shakespeare because I'm not aware of the historical context & the richness hidden in the lines of the vernacular that speaks of deeply human realities.
pbars319 1 week ago 11
@pbars319 No, it sounds like I'm reading the book like any other. Are you saying that some parts are just allegory, like an Aesop's morality fable? I agree. A lot of what is in the bible is not meant to be taken literally.
The problem is once we admit that some parts are real and some are just allegory, then how the heck can we tell WHICH parts are just allegory?
Was the virgin birth and the resurrection meant to be allegory? ANd who is to decide? It throws the whole bible into question.
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal Great questions. That comes with discernment and prayer. If I were to pretend to have a direct answer to that question, I'd be fooling only myself. A good key to reading the Bible is to put it all in the context of Salvation history: the cycle of creation, fall, restoration, and so on from generation to generation. Then look through the "lense" of Jesus Christ. All of the Bible makes more sense in terms of His revelation, that's why this poem says that he came to fulfill.
pbars319 1 week ago
@pbars319 Ok So how are we to tell what parts are real and what parts are allegory? You haven't answered that.
BTW, I LIKE Jesus' teachings. Be humble, rich man can't get to heaven, pray in private, don't be like the hypocrites who like to be seen worshipping...
What happened to Jesus' message ANYWAY? All we hear is virgin birth this, resurrection that.... His message is totally lost and I think that's fucked up.
If he were here today, he'd SNAP on these fake ass boastful Christians. Uknowit
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal If u click on the "sort by thread" option at the top of the comments page, it may be easier to see when I was responding to each comment. I didnt even see the allegory question until after you posted I "still" haven't answered it. Sorting by thread may help.
Glad to hear u like His teachings. I think we agree on more than I first thought. Yes, it is no good that his message is often forgotten. However, it's also important to continue the dialogue in spite of controversy.
pbars319 1 week ago
@pbars319 That my friend is quite possible the best explanation of the bible i have yet to of come across
digiforce 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal and if you are atheist, when you die, and you encounter a fiery pit, will you be willing to take that chance friend? Seek Jesus and his Holy Catholic (Universal) and apostolic Church.
mysticdragon0514 1 week ago
@mysticdragon0514 OR, MAYBE after YOU die, God is really Allah and sends YOU to Islamic hell. How do you know Islam is wrong?
What if YOU are wrong and one of the THOUSANDS of other Gods is the real one?
What makes you think that your religion is the only one to wager on?
Aren't you risking fiery torment in Islamic hell, for one example?
Matter of fact, you are an atheist with respect to every religion except one. Not so different now are we?
Like Dawkins says: "I just go one God further"
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal Islam is wrong because their religion was created by man. Christ founded the mass so that we may worship him in this sense. Jesus is love, the Koran clearly states that one must convert all and all who resist shall perish. aka Jihad and sharia law. They are not a religion of peace at all
mysticdragon0514 1 week ago
Here is some proof. In the year 800, a catholic priest doubted the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The host turned into a beating heart with blood right before him. This heart is still around today with no sign of deterioration.
mysticdragon0514 1 week ago
Another example, Our lady of Fatima has shown herself many times. Several times during the medieval century. twice in Mexico where our lady revealed the 3 secrets both in which 2 of them came true already. and St. Burnadette in France, where even to this day, you can drink the water from the Spring and it has healing properties. God creates these things not for proof, but for guidance. He wants you to come come. So please friend come home to the one true faith
mysticdragon0514 1 week ago
@mysticdragon0514 Scare tactics, no matter what truth they may be based on, rarely "work" for atheists. We must meet them with the patience, gentleness, and compassion Jesus would exemplify. In the spirit of St. Francis de Sales: Dialogue and rational explanations of personal experience, and sharing of one's heart, are the potent perfume with which one can draw someone to the sweetness of God's grace.
pbars319 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal As a Catholic all i can say to atheists is :
READ THE BIBLE
you will sound like less of an IDIOT and have at least some kind of relationship with GOD if you do
I PROMISE YOU!
iverson4mvp3 1 week ago
@iverson4mvp3 Explain to me how you have a relationship with someone you've never seen or heard then explain to me why I'M the idiot. LMAO
BTW, it's obvious that you haven't read shit.
2eelShmeal 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal It's imposible to explain in context of the "flying spaghetti monster," because God is not One being among many of his created beings. God simply IS... God is being itself (he calls himself I AM). Relating 2 God is similar to how I relate to others but at the same time, its quite different. Seeing God as 1 being among many is a fundamental misconception many have about God (even many Christians), & that's the starting point to relating to Him, knowing that he is God, not a creature.
pbars319 1 week ago
(part3) After knowing the depth of human love we can make deeper connections with the Truth revealed in Jesus. As our relationships with others mature, and we come to know ourselves more deeply and become more open to the reality of God's revelation through Christ, we come to know God more and more, developing relationship with Him through prayer - a "dialogue of hearts", if u permit me to metaphorically speak in the spirit of St. Francis de Sales.
pbars319 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal (Part2) I come to know of Him at fIrst through created reality. That's why he Gave us senses, to perceive his greatness and our belovedness.
Just as we can come to know about an architect through analysis of his design, I come to know God through analysis of creation, especially anything good about humanity
pbars319 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal (part1) Relationship with any person begins with knowing them. it develops through shared experience and a mutuality of willing the good of the other, acting on it, and desiring to connect at an ever-more intimate level. Since I believe God is all knowing and all loving, I believe he always holds up his end of the mutuality, but in order to build relationship I must hold up my end.
pbars319 1 week ago
@2eelShmeal u obviously dont understand the bible is metaphorical in a way in can fit any generation and period
madcarlosmayne 1 week ago
Jeff was talking about false religion in his video, not what you're referring to as religion. James 1:27 tells what pure religion is.
Jeff's video is addressing how many "Christians" get so caught up in following traditions and doing all the do's of playing church that they forget the whole reason why we have church in the first place. If we have a true loving relationship with God, His commandments will be met.
jshaas85 1 week ago
but of course fellowship is important as well, but theres a difference :)
chardollaz92 1 week ago
Dude, I just Love Jesus :) He is what matter's. I can get with the Jeff guy was saying because sometimes churches are way too judmental they make people think they need to clean up their life first when really Jesus wants them as they are. really they just need to cling to His light... I can only say this becuz the church pushed me away from God, wasnt till i seeked Him on my own that I really got anything out of it... MAke Him yur own PEOPLE <3
chardollaz92 1 week ago
@chardollaz92 Thats great that you found jesus...but..you need a church..a divine moderator to guide you. If you seek Jesus, the way you want to seek him. You own PERSONAL rendition of him, it is the wrong path. God wants to be worshiped and have a relationship with you in one way. That way is the Catholic mass. Only when we are in divine prayer in unity with the holy Eucharist, one body,blood, soul and divinity, r you truly with him. There is no greater form of worship than that here on earth
mysticdragon0514 1 week ago
How can you say you love "religion" when you obviously doesn´t love the belief in quetzacoatl, Osiris, Zeus or Scientology. Religion doesnt always equal just christianity.
Learn about other religions to see what you have in common, don´t be so close minded.
The1VoiceOfReason 1 week ago
@The1VoiceOfReason If you can bring to my attention where in this video there is an implication that Christianity is the only religion, I may be able to understand your statement a bit better.
pbars319 1 week ago
"We build our churches as dwellings for our God and our King"
"He gave us the Church, the Sabbath, and all of Creation."
No mention of other places of worship. Just jewish and christian places. And, btw, we SONT build churches for our God to dwell in. Church BUILDINGS are for humans. Christ lives in his CHURCH, comprised of human beings. Just sayin.
azuretuber 1 week ago
@azuretuber The fact that God permeates all of His creation doesnt negate the fact that God also dwells in the worship space. Its of great value to designate a place for the faithful to recognize Gods presence. You yourself assert that Christ lives in the assembly of the faithful, for they are His body & were two or more gather in His name, He is there. Thus, when we specify a place of worship, we intentionally gather in His name, recognizing his presence (in the building we gather). (continued)
pbars319 1 week ago
@azuretuber So please forgive the artist for taking a little poetic license and saying what is in the poem instead of saying "we build our churches for the assembly of the faithful to gather as the Body of Christ to intentionally recognize His dwelling among us as because where two or more are gathered in His name He is there."
:-) (sorry about the sarcasm, I hope it's taken in a jovial manor)
pbars319 1 week ago
@pbars319 You only talk about Jesus. That is not religion it´s christianity. If you were talking about Jesus and Muhammed and Jesus never resurrected but was a prophet that would be Islam. If you were saying Jesus were not flesh and blood but only a spirit and that GOD was satan that would be marconionism etc. I just find it false advertising when saying its about religion its really about your particular kind of religion called christianity. Why u love christianity is more truthful
The1VoiceOfReason 1 week ago
@The1VoiceOfReason The issue is that the first video was about Jesus being in some way against religion as a whole (or at least that is how it came across to many). This video rebuts that notion with a few counterpoints relating to Jesus and personal experience. It in no way negates other religions, nor is the intent advertisement. If it is interpreted in such a way due to the particular wording, I must apologize, but if it's due to particular prejudice (conscious or not), that's another story.
pbars319 1 week ago
@pbars319 Fair enough.
The1VoiceOfReason 1 week ago
Dude what your saying religion is is what the other guy said Jesus is and the other guy is right it's Jesus who saves not your religion.
grizzle4567 1 week ago
@grizzle4567 You're presumption that I believe religion saves is false. God is the only one who can grant Salvation. This video addresses the issue of Jeff's ambiguity, which feeds atheistic and anti-ecclesial fervor. He may have been trying to make the point you mention above, but his method of doing so is questionable. You may get it because of your current situation, but I question the effectiveness of inspiring those who don't already believe, or changing the hearts of hypocrites.
pbars319 1 week ago
@pbars319 you make assertions towards how Jeff's are questionable: but you've got nothing to back your declarations up. WHY are they so questionable, Jeff? Is it because they're worded not-so-comfortably to the religious? Or is it cuz it appeals so much to the less religious world? Don't something is such, without first explaining why. That's a fallacy of assumption/the loaded question.
azuretuber 1 week ago
@azuretuber Simply look at many of the responses and you will see what I am talking about in terms of the ambiguity feeding atheistic fervor. I pose the question of how effective is it in it's effectiveness of inspiring those who don't already believe. the level in which it appeals to me isn't of importance, it's what it does for those who are turned off to something good due to their misreading of Jeff's intent.
pbars319 1 week ago
hahahahahahahahahahaha. everything you and the other guy said, it means LOVE, now go and practice it.
spimp16 1 week ago
This guy looks like a white D-M-X does anyone else see that or is it just me? lol
MrBRANDNEW2012 1 week ago
(Cont.from below-From St. Augustine of Hippo (392 A.D.) "For starting from the apostolic chair down through successions of bishops, even unto the open confession of all mankind, it has possessed the crown ofteaching authority."
nobabe1 1 week ago
St.Augustine of Hippo(392AD) "The Catholic Church is the work of DivineProvidence,achieved through the prophecies of the prophets, through the Incarnation and the teaching of Christ, through the journeys of the Apostles, through the suffering, the crosses, the blood and death of the martyrs, through the admirable lives of the saints.When, then, we see so much help on God's part, so much progress and so much fruit, shall we hesitate to bury ourselves in the bosom of that Church?SeeAboveLastPart
nobabe1 1 week ago
They were not new inventions. Protestant (meaning came from protesters of the Catholic Church) traditions were originated by Calvin, Luther and then more tradition was added along the way.Much to respect of other faiths but the fullness of the Faith in in Catholicism.
nobabe1 1 week ago
@nobabe1 The Catholic traditions-wer not new inventions.
nobabe1 1 week ago
There was no such belief as faith alone or tulip then.Their belief was in Blessed Mother, baptism saves and infant baptism, faith and works, true body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharist, incense, alters, candles, statues-paintings of Saints and crosses with our crucified lord on them, confessing to priests....these practices are documented from Christ's time on earth up until now.
nobabe1 1 week ago
@nobabe1 Their belief from above is referencing the Catholic Church.
nobabe1 1 week ago
Eusibius of Caesarea (4th Century 400's) "But the brightness of the Catholic Church proceeded to increase in greatness, for it ever held to the same points in the same way, and radiated forth to all the race of Greeks and barbarians the reverent, sincere, and free nature and the sobriety and purity of the divine teaching as to conduct and thought." (Ecclesiastical History 4, 7,13)
nobabe1 1 week ago
the early Church Fathers. Read their writings....this is a Christians window into what Christ passed from his day to the apostles and then from the apostles to other disciples...there was no Bible written yet during some of these writings.
nobabe1 1 week ago
Im disppointed that there needs to be a competative response. Smh. This is exactly what the original video was talkn about.
mychucksownurmom 1 week ago
hey nice video but I don't think you interpret well what the other guy is saying... He is talking about being transformed from the inside out that comes from a ge