Been a while since I responded to comment regarding my video. I thank you *all* for your thoughts on both sides of the issue. Please remember this video is nearly 6 years old and I believe the website I mentioned may no longer be online. I'll try to fix the video to include a comment on this and an alternative website to visit.
Some asked what abortions I am against and that is simple...partial birth abortions. Beyond that I believe in a woman's right to choose. Thank you for watching.
Are you sure you gave us the correct url? I typed it in and was told it doesn't exist. The page "Pandora's Project" was suggested instead. Thank you so much for your very thoughtfull and caring video.
Yes. THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO CARRY THE CHILD TO TERM. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. They are not being forced to "do" something, they are being forced "not" to do something. just like we are forced NOT to murder people. and you are thinking of the person who is raped right? Well, that rape victim is not being forced to die, while the child is. what is worse, an emotionally distraught woman who can hopefully overcome it through therapy, or a child that is permanently dead? i cant tolerate this idiocy
@Jrink300 you're lumping raped women together - you're only taking into account the emotional distress. like errr do you not realise there are other things such as some women actually not being able to take care of a baby without ruining their lives, and for what? do you think that this incapable mother would be able to bring up her child well? er no because shes not capable.
everyone check out the national network of abortion funds. they help raise money for low income women to obtain abortion care. you can specify on your donation that the money go towards rape victims before anyone else
of everyone typing these novel long comments, i would like to know, who of you have been raped, who of you got pregnant from that rape, BE CAREFUL OF THE WORDS YOU CHOOSE. and be very careful to realize you are only speaking for yourselves, not for everyone else.
YES I AGREE! i am sick of your Pro-Life Assholes who say "oh its an innocent child". WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT WOMEN?! she suffers through the pain of rape and is forced through only more pain and pressure of having a child she never wanted. thats sick. you are a good man, i was scared you would be a pro lifer. i dont even know what to say but you are a good man. we need more like you =) .
It took a civil war and 600,000 dead troops to bring an end to legal black slavery.
We'll need to kill countless millions of liberals to end today's atrocities (abortion, terrorism, child slavery, tyranny, genocide, forced starvation, etc) . I don't see it ever happening. These evil vermin are far too numerous and they breed just enough to spread their hideous lies and hatred for life and human dignity.
Whenever a rape happens, the leftists will kill the baby through abortion and give the rapist a light sentence (if he is sentenced at all). This twisted freaks call it a "right" and "justice".
I SAY KILL THE RAPIST AND LET THE INNOCENT CHILD LIVE!
@Soothfish we say, kill the rapist and abort his offspring!! of course unless the woman/girl chooses to go along with the dreadfull pregnancy. her choice.
If I could find you and hug you I would... thank you so very much for taking the time to touch upon this subject. It seems like girls/women stop mattering as soon as some guy impregnates them... no matter how young that girl is, and no matter how she became pregnant. For a man to step up against this... nearly brings me to tears. Thank you again.
I am a guy. Sexual assault is devastating on a person, I know because I have been sexually abused before. I definitely believe a woman should have the right to choose what to do with her body in this case. As for a fetus in the early stages I don't believe it's quite the same as a grown person.
@MMAWARRIOR20 A fetus is a very developed stage. It's just a small infant. Certain very corrupt organizations (ex Planned Parenthood) make their fortunes by preying off the ignorance of others. Very few young girls understand the stages of human development. When they finally learn, they become depressed and sometimes suicidal. Or worse...cold as ice.
@Soothfish I'm not talking about 6 weeks because that looks very much like a child but earlier in the stage. for example a day after the rape, female rape victims should take the morning after pill if they choose. even at a few weeks it's only a cluster of cells.
@MMAWARRIOR20 The destruction of an early stage embryo isn't too serious but the slippery slope is VERY real. Once everyone agrees that say a human doesn't have inherent value you can successfully argue in defense of anything. I mean anything!
There are plenty of clinics who stick live infants in plastic bags. They get away with it too.
Thank you so much!!!!I was raped when I was 17 and was lied to about the pregnancy.You'll find my story in my favorites titled "And you have the nerve to ask why?" please look at it
A simple point from a simple man, if a child has someone who wants and need them they are best off regardless the choice is the family that needs the child/children & makes a way for them, supports them and loves them, not some outsider making choices for them through their understanding from behind that big red desk, and we think kids don't talk, Please... we make laws to control sex for this, too exclude rights to choose,, so once a choice is made someone needs to balance the books?
I want to thank you for this video. I am a woman and I am also a rape victim. I was lucky and didn't get pregnant. I do believe that a child born of rape has a right to live, but no one has the right to take away the mother's rights and turn her into an incubator. Hearing people pretend to care about rape victims and still advocate taking away their rights hurts. It physically hurts. So I thank you. You have just as much right to an opinion as anyone. Thank you.
well addressed. The paradigm is better heard through conflict of religion where people acutely kill one another over sex, but the message is the same. We have painted opinion w/blood 4 far to long when money is spent on punishment to the delight of the enforcers while the enforcers are exempt from laws which have no definition. I once had a woman ask if I was propositioning her by throwing pennies at her when I just wanted her to go away. Sex is not mental illness & faked/misrepresented often.
it is idiocy to even assume that every single conception should be brought to term. when pregnancy through rape occures it carries with it a negative energy. the negative energy from the experience is carried from female to fetus. why not abort and allow the fetus to come back into a situation that is more positive? if you wish to go through with the pregnancy then great; your choice. but respect the others choice. you don't have a choice but to.
@Soothfish rape victims don't have to accept the rapist forced seed as "her" child. call it killing, murder.. whatever.. our bodies our right: to abortion of course.
and you can't do nothing about it but sit here and tell people "fk you" LOL!! no thanks.
@dragonpat666 Rape victims don't want to kill children, they want the pain to go away.
You leftists have everything backwards. You punish the innocent baby with death and then you fight for the so called "rights" of the same bastard who raped the woman in the first place. She is basically being raped twice. Once by the criminal and again by you fucking liberals.
As far as I'm concerned rapists and liberals like you need to be killed on the spot. There is no difference. You are all rapists.
@Soothfish she would deffinitely be raped twice if we forced her to gestate her rapist offspring! you extremist "prolifer" are crazy, intrusive and dangerous! i seriously think america should lable you terrorists; especially after that extremist nut case killed that doctor right smack in the middle of church service. there is no such thing as an innocent fetus, ok?
@Soothfish you are not prolife talking about killing folks!! and who exactly fights for the rights of a rapist??? his lawyer? well that is what a lawyer is paid to do for you...whether you are actually guilty or not. abortion is not killing children because children, by definition is born..yes, rape victims want to abort their pregnancy forced on her by a rapists.. its criminal to impregnate someone as a result of raping them.
@Soothfish stop trying to make us believe you know the mind and exact thinking of a woman or girl who has been raped...and impregnated as a result...because you don't. for your information, all humans are ANIMALS. just an evovled one. not only are you "disgusting" but you are also sick and twisted.
@Soothfish just like i said, you are sick and twisted; and extremist too. . the authorities need to be alerted concerning you..and what is a "fabian" socialist? women don't need you in your wombs...no thanks; we can handle ourselves and our own fertility options.
@Soothfish lol!! if we give you permission to put a knife and suction tube in our wombs then that is ok. other then that, you need not even think of our wombs. blood thirsty animal? lol! boy, calm down..it is not that serious. you cannot monitor billions of womens wombs and fertility objectives.
@dragonpat666 negativity is not carried by the innocent unborn or the innocent born into sin or from sin, It is carried by the people judging an act that they did not participate in or have judicial justification to involve themselves in at all. Out side judgment by intrusiveness of people that may want to help and not have a clue or cue too keep too themselves their negativity and want to get that all over everyone for their own gain.
@dragonpat666 negativity is not carried by the innocent unborn or the innocent born into sin or from sin, It is carried by the people judging an act that they did not participate in or have judicial justification to involve themselves in at all. Out side judgment by intrusiveness of people that may want to help and not have a clue or cue too keep too themselves their negativity and want to get that all over everyone for their own gain. You can't rape/unrape a person with murderous thinking.
@dragonpat666 sorry you can not understand, It's like looking in the mirror and only seeing what can be related too, what you know to associate the reflection in the minds eye to,,,Till you have the understanding of what is done stop doing what you think is OK when it's not. There is no justification for sex law other than to create wealth often by fraud and in my case,,, straight up treason, murder, and maundering by political and religious racketeering. End sex laws now & cause world peace.
**Should that baby have been killed in your opinion?**
the only opinion that mattered was hers. she didn't get a choice when she was being raped... at the very least, let her make this one without judging her for it, ok?
"at the very least, let her make this one without judging her for it, ok?"
And why should we let her make the choice without judging her for it? Should we let the rapist rape and not judge him for it? Two wrongs do not make a right. In every terminated pregnancy someone dies. Should this person be killed? My position remains the same, only if protecting this person's life costs another their own against their will.
"SHE IS A TEN YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL WHO IS PREGNANT WITH HER RAPISTS BABY."
1st of all turn ur caps off & stop pretending you care, for crying out loud you dont care about her! you don't care about anyone but your ownself! Youd abort that same ten yr old if she was a 1 week old fetus in ur uterus conceived by a rapist. Second, if a ten year old killed her 3 week new-born brother, this would be ok in your eyes? She shouldn't be held accountable for intentionally inflicting harm on a new-born?
Honey, don't flatter yourself; you have no real response, you can't dignify a damn thing! Killing an innocent bystander is the solution? That makes zero sense. She can kill the unborn child, her mother, her father, and all her neighbors, and you know what? It would not change the fact that she was molested/raped and impregnated. Honey, you are not thinking clearly. Go get yourself a glass of water.
it doesnt change that she was raped. it does prevent a second rape by denying her a choice over the control of her body. rape takes away autonomy and control of ones body. forced pregnancy does that to an infinite degree. it is the most dehumanizing thing to be turned into a gestational object. if anyone tried to do that to me or one of my little cousins, they better start running.
"it does prevent a second rape." Let's stop right there! Rape is the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual* intercourse*. Gestating has absolutely nothing in common with rape or forced sexual intercourse. 2ndly, by giving unborn children their rights at conception, she'd still have a choice to kill her unborn child. We just want her held accountable for her misdeed, just as we want the rapist held accountable for his misdeed. Justice is justice.
read my comments again. when a woman is pregnant against her will, she is being violated physically in a manner more heinous than forced sex. forcing a woman to be pregnant is more disgusting than rape. rape takes away control of ones body and leaves a woman feeling dehumanized and dirty. forced pregnancy magnifies her victimization. if someone is living inside of me against my will, it is a form of rape upon me.
"it is a form of rape upon me.." Sorry, if it does not involve sexual intercourse, it is not rape and never will be, no matter how much you wish it was. Also there is no such thing as forcing a woman to be pregnant, no one is tying her to a chair and forcing her to gestate. If unborn babies are rightfully given rights, they will be treated as moral-patients who are not accountable for being in her womb, but she'd (being sentient) be held fully accountable for harming them.
"rape takes away control..leaves a woman feeling dehumanized and dirty"
For crying out loud, stop pretending to care about victims of rape! You said it urself, you care more about killing the unborn baby than preventing rape, unwanted pregnancies, and bringing all rapists to justice. I find it very sad that you are using rape to justify an unnecessary killing. Really, is that how desperate you are?
you can use other objects than rape. anything that is of a sexual nature that is forced is a form of sexual assault. including forced childbirth. it is not your body so stay out of it. i fight because i have seen the trauma of a rape pregnancy first hand with my friend. and i do fight to prevent rape. and i also have written to legislatures about emergency contraception for them. forced pregnancy is the ultimate violation of the person of a woman.
"anything that is of a sexual nature that is forced is a form of sexual assault." unborn children are not objects and them existing in the womb is not of a sexual nature nor does it qualify as sexual assault. If that was the case, than women breastfeeding their babies should be sentence to prison for child molestation.
if someone was forced to breastfeed it indeed would be a violation of that womans body. i said forced childbirth is a form of assault because it hurts the womans body. and yes, any entity that is in my body that is not normally there is an object. and yes, if a woman is pregnant against her will, it is a forced pregnancy. the unborn do not have rights to my body anymore than born humans do. my body is mine alone. no one can use it against my will.
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"pregnant against her will"
Yeah yeah, and the government is forcing people not to rob banks against their will. Pregnant is a state of being; It does not matter that the woman wants or doesn't want to be pregnant, fact is she is pregnant. So we are not discussing the woman's will not to be pregnant, we are discussing the woman's will to cause harm to another human being to become un-pregnant. Abortion is a service that our government have every right to regulate and deny.
the govt forces you not to rob a bank because that you are taking somethng that you had no business taking and was of no recompense to you. when a woman has an abortion, she is taking back what was stolen from her in the first place, her bodily control. and yes it DOES matter whether she wants to be pregnant. she is causing harm to the fetus only to restore what is hers in the first place. your cavalier attitude towards pregnancy and rape is obvious and disturbing to say the least.
"forced pregnancy..violation of the person..woman."
No such thing as forced pregnancy. Also just b/c the unborn are in the body does not make it just to take advantage of them& cause unnecessary harm. Abortion harms a human being when this harm is unnecessary. Causing unnecessary harm to a human being is the ultimate violation to any individual. This is why rape is wrong, youd be no better for taking away your offsprings right not to be harmed. Both of you would be guilty of wrongful acts.
forced motherhood is the correct term not pregnancy. Abortion doesn't hram anyone. Especially not fetuses. because they aren't huamn beings but only of HUman DNA. Harm, murder, killing appplies to only beings not masses of tissue.
@Soothfish "legality has nothing to do with the scientific reality."
Not in correlation with each other they don't. But I fail to see your point.
"The Nazis considered it acceptable to kill Jews simply because it was legal. "
Whose reproductive organs were the Jews using to sustain their life again?
"You are a Nazi."
How adorable, right wing lambasting. The same sorta nazi labeling fox news is fond of to anyone who doesn't agree with them. You are an idiot, please educate yourself.
@blizzard7006 THANK YOU FOR THAT. i get so sick of people using "nazi!" as some kind of ultimate insult, when in reality, it's EXTREMELY offensive to jewish people and their families (like mine) who perished in the holocaust. comparing ordinary people to hitler is beyond rude.. it's plain fucked up. they need to turn off fox news and get a clue.
@blizzard7006 What amazes me most about you disgusting liberals is that there is nothing you won't do. In 1972 they regarded infanticide as an atrocity. Then in 1973 it became a "woman's right to choose".
It won't be long until you come up with some demented reason to legalize the killing of 3 year old toddlers.
Hopefully every last one of your will be a corpse before that day comes.
@Soothfish dumb, dumb abortion is life. abortion has been around since we have been getting pregnant; yet and still we never came to the conclusion that killing a 3 year old was ok. don't worry, we understand you just walked out of a hole in the ground somewheres!
@blizzard7006 Every person on Earth is a mass of tissue. Using your own logic it should be acceptable for me to kill you. I'd gladly abort the fuck out of you.
@Jrink300 Fetuses cannot think. the cerebral cortex does not even begin to grow until week 26 and does not begin to hook up to the central nervous system until week 29. The fetal brain is kept sedated by chemicals produced in the uterus during the last months of pregnancy. Source "The importance of 'awareness' for understanding fetal pain", David Mellor, 2005, "Fetal Awareness, RCOG, 2010, and "Fetal Pain", JAMA, 2005.
Oh, so forcing her to carry the baby because you think that she does not have the right to control her own body again and her life, is not called forced pregnancy, right?
Taking away awomens choice is forcing a women to be pregnant..... Get a grip on reality if there were no docs prefoming abortions (Dand C) then there would be utter chaos... Women would take it upon themselves to abort in unimaginable ways.. total chaos....... its 2009 and its not going away im for pro choice if i go to hell so be it thats if there is a hell
how do you know the child will love that mommy? how do you even know it will be able to handle knowing how it was conceived? no one is saying rape children are less than human. we are saying the nature of the pregnancy is differant and must be a consideration. i would not want to be born to a mother that was forced to have me. it would be selfish for a person to want to be born if they knew it would cause someone pain.
MyChaotic: that is your choice and I would respect that. However, while you can't comprehend it, there are other points of view just as valid as yours.
"While you can't comprehend"? I made a comment stating my opinion, and my opinion was attack and called into question on two forums by the same person. I indulged the individual and had a give and take with them. I respect opinions and, as I stated earlier, do not wish to force mine on anyone. However, this is an opinion based video therefore the forum should be a safe place to say them.
The only person I was vitriolic with was that person. So, if you dont mind, I dont appreciate your condescending attitude towards me. Youll find that I do not agree with people who dont respect others choices. Youll also find that Im a fairly amicable person unless provoked. I suggest you consider who you are talking to and why they do things before making a comment in a high and mighty way.
Again, I wasn't in that mind-set. Perhaps my wording may have not taken the tone I was looking for. If you took offense, I appologize, I certainly didn't mean it in that sense.
Thank you. I suppose I can be slightly sensitive. The moment I say Pro-Life people seem to assume I'm going to say anyone who disagrees is a murderer or in some way below me. My opinion is just that, an opinion. We are all entitled to our own.
What I had based my response on was "Abortion for rape wouldn't make sense. If someone wronged me I wouldn't destroy another beings chance at life"
You were stating, in a sense, you couldn't fathom anyone could 'destroy another beings chance at life" I was just responding to that... No offense meant.
That statement was my personal opinion response within a conversation with someone else. I stated earlier I don't know if it was on this forum or the other to that very same person that rape victims and people who use it as birth control are very different cases. I also state in my pro-life play list that I don't judge people; my best friend went through an abortion. If someone is raped and impregnated they shouldn't be shunned for not wanting the child, it isn't the same.
If a women is raped, she needs to be checking that our right away. She should get checked for STD's and as soon as possible pregnancy. That is her responsibility.
There really isn't much in your video I disagree with. The only person I was addressing earlier was a person who was rude to me on one forum then made a comment to me again on this forum.
I WOULD like to say though, gender doesn't matter. You are more then welcome to have an opinion on anything. There are just as many men that are affected by abortion. What about all the fathers that have a child taken from them before they even have a chance? A girl I met got one without informing the father.
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Most "rape" is acquaintance rape. My ex-husband raped me 8 times! You need to qualify your stats as 32K violent random rape, or acquaintance rape, etc. resulted in pregnancy. I assume there is DNA proving that?
There are 2 million newborns WANTED by adoptive parents.
ADOPTION! WHY SHOULD A HUMAN BE FORCED TO DEATH FOR BEING "UNWANTED" BY ONE BUT WANTED BY 2 MILLION PARENTS ON A 7-12 YEAR WAITING LIST?
Crime is a bitch, murder thru surgical abortion never heals the CRIME of rape, idiot!
Again to Xcesschick and MyChaotic: I am sure there are happy families out there to take the baby, but that means you agree that forcing a woman to be reminded of a rape 24 hours a day for 9 months is ok and acceptable. To take an innocent victim of a brutal crime and basically damage them mentally is perfectly ok.
I guess that you believe that ever woman has to love the idea of being forced into motherhood, or at least to have to carry a baby she doesn't want to term.
rape is rape!! acquaintance rape is just as much of a crime as a brutal knife rape by a stranger. he said the statistics were off of the CDC website. i have read other studies that give the same statistics. and there are 150 million orphans in the world. there are plenty of children for people to adopt if they would stop being selfish by only wanting babies.
Xcesschick: I only reported what the studies from reputable, peer-reviewed sources had said. If you want to question the UCLA study or the Rape and Abuse Crisis center's study, feel free. I had nothing to do with them and I am just using their studies as they seemed the most unbiased and the one's that other journals and medical papers were using as sources.
I agree that they are mostly legit, but there are some girls that cry wolf. Now consider how many woman would say they were raped if that is what they would need to do to get an abortion.
many countries outlaw abortion except for rape and they make it work. they have a system where there has to be a police report. and there would have to be very harsh penalties if the girl was found to be lying. and have you been raped to know how you would respond to such trauma? you sound as if you speak from experience. it is easy to stand against choice when you are not the one that has to decide.
Wow you're dumb, Rape in my opinion is a different story as I've said before. If a woman can prove she was raped (which isn't hard if you make the call after it happens) even as a pro-lifer, I can't say I would force a woman. But as a pro-lifer, I wouldn't condone it. I don't think its ok but I would not force that opinion on someone who has been through so much. I don't think its right, but I don't think I would know what that feels like unless it happens to me." from the other forum we are on.
being forced to carry a child conceived in violence is indeed being imprisoned in your own body for 9 months. it is being raped of the control of your body again.
ArboriusOwns: How do I know? Well I provided links to my research which had been supplied by the Rape and Abuse Crisis Centers (the people who deal with these situations ever day) and the University of California, LA. You can look into how they performed their peer-reviewed studies and the methods behind the stats if you want.
If you can abort the fetus of a rapist... a woman who has a 6 year old child by some dog that later rapes a teen... that woman should now be able to "abort" her 6 year old child of a rapist? Especially if that child is a little boy who looks like his rapist dad??
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If a woman is raped, the child has no fault. The child has her DNA, her blood flowing through his/her veins - Women are created to give life, not take it. How would you feel if your father raped a woman and the police came to YOUR door and made you serve the punishment due your father? Would that be fair? NO! The woman may have been a victim of rape, but the child does not have to be, he/she must be protected by the mother. It is our obligation! Thank God, my mother chose to protect me.
And that was wonderful that she did. The fact is, there are two sides to this. First, if you seem to see women only as "baby makers", not humans with their own emotional states. Women do not just hit a switch and go into "mommy mode" the instant they are pregnant.
While you worry about the unborn child, I worry about the other human who is someone else's daughter, sister, aunt, mother, wife. I see that some women can't handle the thought of being reminded of the rape for 9 months.
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Two immoral acts do not make a right. Abortion is murder and murder is always wrong.
Yes, rape is wrong and it is horribly sad that the woman has any consequences to endure (emotional, psychological, pregnancy); however, it is up to her to choose how she deals with those consequences.
It is good for the State to condemn murder even when that murder would alleviate physical and psychological stress for the murderer.
So you see, with rape victims, the issue remains the same: is it murder?
Murder is wrong. Well certainly to kill another human is indeed something we as society frown on, however law enforcement, soldiers, and even the state itself kill people daily. I would hope you have the same passion against all forms of murder then. From the executioner for that serial killer on death row, to the soldiers in Iraq.
All in all, you see this as a murder issue, I'll say that I don't see it in the same light.
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human as defined by law. Murder is usually distinguished from other forms of homicide by malice intent and lack of lawful justification. Even the Bible makes this distinction between "to murder" and "to kill" by using particular Hebrew verbs, permitting these acts and self-defense.
In other words, the executioner and soldier don't commit murder when they kill an inmate or enemy combatant; their actions are morally justified and sanctioned by U.S. law.
the bible has nothing to do with secular law. you cant legislate based on religious principles. womens wombs arnt public domain. if a woman cant be free inside her own body she cannot be free at all. there is no more personal boundary than ones own body. it is a fundamental right to have control over ones own person. to outlaw abortion for rape victims violates this right to an unfathomable degree. every woman would be a potential brood mare for a waiting rapist. it is her body her choice.
I'm surprised you didn't ape "you can't legislate morality." Where do you think US law originated? -- Largely from Biblical principle and argumentation. You miss the point, though. You don't even need to argue from the Bible in this debate; the Bible only confirms and bolsters my position.
Don't misunderstand me concerning control over her own body. She ought to be free to kill the child. However, she should still be subject to the penalty of murder.
US law has seperation of church and state. the early church did not prohibit abortion before quickening. abortifacients were common and advertised extensively. this nation is not ruled by dogma. it is ruled by freedom of and from religious ideals. not everyone in this nation is a christian so you cant force them to follow your beliefs.there is strong biblical support for choice. after all it is god who gave us free will is it not?
So, McGuirgw, what do you find silly? The fact that the founding fathers saw how the church and the state must be seperated (and a small part of the basis on why they revolted) or the fact that abortifacients were in fact widely advertised and used in prior years of the church? Or you do find the fact that some subscribe to different beliefs? Or that you are not allowed to force people to belief what you do?
his use of "separation of church and state" in this instance along with his comment on free will. I am not suggesting there is no such separation, just that it isn't pertinent.
US law may have originated from a christian base, but it was just a starting point. Americans have no official religion. We have no official language. We are a mixing pot of many beliefs and many religions.
My question is: What invalidates all other religions? What makes a majority of the world population's religious beliefs wrong and christianity the only true belief?
What makes a religion's beliefs true are their correspondence to reality. Most religions make truth claims that are exclusive. If they are true at those points, alternate religions are false. If the New Testament's teachings are true, then Christianity is true to the exclusion of every other religion. If Jesus was crucified to atone for sins, died, buried and rose on the third day, then Christianity is true and other religions wrong to various degrees.
"In other words, the executioner and soldier don't commit murder when they kill an inmate or enemy combatant; their actions are morally justified and sanctioned by U.S. law..."
Well, legally, there is no murder being committed per US Law during an abortion. Your opinion is noted, and I perhaps agree on convenience abortions, but not everyone agrees.
I agree. There is no murder according to US law, but I believe (along with many others) that it remain murder as it transgresses a higher moral order than US law, which can be argued from secular and religious philosophical angles. That is why I still call it murder.
Doesn't matter what you call it. Murder is SOLELY the UNLAWFUL killing (abortion is legal) of a human being (which it's NOT a human being until it's viable) with malice afterthought, there is NO other way to slice and dice it.
Doesn't matter what you call it. Murder is SOLELY the UNLAWFUL killing (abortion is legal) of a human being (which it's NOT a human being until it's viable) with malice afterthought, there is NO other way to slice and dice it.
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the reason they call it murder is because they need to misuse words to try to make a point....because they really have no point
unlike a fetus who has no real life experience or interest in self preservation to begin with. it is not inhumane to end a pregnancy for the fetus does not suffer in any verifiable way as a rape victim would if compelled to continue an involuntary pregnancy. for a society to truly value life, the needs of the woman must be considered in these special circumstances. to give fetuses absolute rights is to reduce women to nothing more than wombs with legs.
Absurd but funny. I am not convinced about self-preservation or its pertinence. Suffering or not has no bearing on my statements. "Giving" the fetus such rights does not reduce the woman at all. (Note that we only recognize the fetus' right to life) Actually in my thinking the woman is not reduced because she is a moral agent with a priceless gift in her care. Her burden and reluctance do not remove her moral obligation to persevere and do right by the human life within her, i.e. not murder it.
a priceless gift? are you naive enough to think she will treasure having her sexual agency stripped from her because some thug decided to rape her? how do you think this is going to affect the child? the loathing she would feel would undoudetdly transfer to the child. not to mention i doubt she would take proper care of herself during the pregnancy. two bodys in one cannot have full rights for logic dictates they would interfere with the other. the fetus imposes upn the woman not the other way.
The fetus did not choose in which womb or in what manner it would be conceived. Whether the woman knows the value of life does not change that value. "Undoubtedly"? -- perhaps "possibly". I have already said the woman needs counseling to deal with ALL of the effects of the rape.
Believe me, I have compassion for rape victims, especially ones who have the added stress of a pregnancy. A close relative faced that burden, so I know it is beyond difficult. However, that is not enough to validate an abortion. Btw, my words are just as harsh for the rapist as the abortionist. They are both taking another person's life into their own hands and using/discarding it to their physical/emotional desire. Each is reprehensible, but aborting a "rape baby" only compounds the horror.
the potential for life does not justify victimizing a woman through forced pregnancy. imposing pregnancy upon an unconsenting person is more heinous than forced sex for the latter is an intrusion far more personal with farer-reaching consequences. to deny choice for rape victims is treating them as the rapist did, as a means to an end for the benefit of another. women arnt chattel to be bred like livestock. they are thinking independant beings will lives and a welfare to be concerned about.
I would not impose pregnancy; I only argue that once a pregnancy has already began its origin has no bearing on the value of the life inside the woman. I do not deny there is a choice; I only deny it is morally justifiable (and believe it ought to be illegal). It is not that they are simply a means to an end but rather that they are moral agents with a difficult road to face. However, that difficulty does not give the right to take a life no matter how demanding or inconvenient.
if you remove a choice, you are an accomplice to her victimizationa and are continuing the imposition of the act upon her. a woman is a moral agent. a fetus is not. pregnancy is not a benign harmless condition even when it is wanted. for a woman to be forced to endure it is stripping her of her humanity which is what you assert pro choice people are doing. personal issues such as childbearing a not state matters. they are medical decisions that only the woman can make for herself.
you have compassion for rape victims? not even to consider how carrying the pregnancy will harm her. even if it destroys her you want to legally enforce childbirth on her. you dont get to choose who i share my body with or when or if i use my body to save anothers life. it is MY BODY!!! the govt cant force me to have something living inside me against my will. i am not your property. the barrier is my skin. stay out of my body and i will stay out of yours.
youre right. giving birth at that age [ 10 ]will DESTROY HER BODY... if her under developed, pre-pubesent body will go through the trauma of labor ( a labour even many grown women struggle with ) she will probably never be able to have another child again.
you're right it is up to her how she deals with those consequences. one way she can deal with it is reclaiming control over her body by aborting an uninvited parasite. mental health is a crucial component of overrall health. forcing her to remain pregnant would indeed create an enormous toll on her. many of these women are left with permanent psychiatirc scars after such an ordeal. this isnt about relieving suffering. it is about treating women as human beings.
the victim needs an unbiased counselor who will navigate her through this decision so she can arrive at the conclusion that best suits her and her potential offsprings. i am not saying that the unborn have no value or should not have an advocate speaking on their behalf. i am saying that for true justice to prevail, the outcome must be one that would be best for both. for some situations, not carrying to term would be the unfortunate case.
Well, the fact is I don't have the statistics on all abortions as I believe, since I am a man and therefore without need female parts, my opinion on abortions really should hold no weight. I'll say I don't agree on convenience abortions, but its not my place to naysay a woman if she has one. That's her call. I will say that we shouldn't force rape victims into 9 months or more of being daily reminded of that rape if that is how they see the child. That mental abuse is as bad as the rape itself.
Pro-choicers always talk about rape and aids and physically and mentally challenged babies. Well what about healthy babies. We are killing healthy babies. Healthy babies shouldnt be killed.
You're forgetting one thing. The "fetus" is a life. If you remove the life. You're not only going to suffer the trauma of rape, but the trauma of ending the life of the child inside of you. The fact of the matter is you're ending a life. Enough said.
danny says.. The "fetus" is a life. That dosen't matter if you don't want it. sanny says..You're not only going to suffer the trauma of rape, but the trauma of ending the life of the child inside of you.
98% of woman who abort are happy. It makes the sun shine again. You CANNOT determine what women go through if you haven't been there or haven't asked. Go ask. you said.. The fact of the matter is you're ending a life. I think thats why they call is an "abortion".
before i start spewing words ... i would like to say im sorry if i offended anyone but this is my opinion, tell sanny or if sanny reads this then your baby is a constant reminder of the rape, people can block out memories but children never fade, that being said, children that you never see you cant remember, someone we know has been rapped and wanted to keep the baby ... it was a miscariage and that person now says it was better that way then to keep it .... we agree
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I really debated on if I wanted to post this or not. Seeing the feed back I just may have to get back into making these videos.
Gush, what the fuck! Th esame thing happen to me too btu I kept my son and he is today one of the nicest child on earth, Why put anger on poor little unborn child! I am so happy I did nto go for abortion. I hate to see so many people bringing so many excuses all the time I als had no parents no job
Been a while since I responded to comment regarding my video. I thank you *all* for your thoughts on both sides of the issue. Please remember this video is nearly 6 years old and I believe the website I mentioned may no longer be online. I'll try to fix the video to include a comment on this and an alternative website to visit.
Some asked what abortions I am against and that is simple...partial birth abortions. Beyond that I believe in a woman's right to choose. Thank you for watching.
bschott 1 week ago
Are you sure you gave us the correct url? I typed it in and was told it doesn't exist. The page "Pandora's Project" was suggested instead. Thank you so much for your very thoughtfull and caring video.
pirbird14 2 weeks ago
finally someone who thinks of the victim
frankenmeister1 1 month ago
Yes. THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO CARRY THE CHILD TO TERM. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. They are not being forced to "do" something, they are being forced "not" to do something. just like we are forced NOT to murder people. and you are thinking of the person who is raped right? Well, that rape victim is not being forced to die, while the child is. what is worse, an emotionally distraught woman who can hopefully overcome it through therapy, or a child that is permanently dead? i cant tolerate this idiocy
Jrink300 2 months ago
@Jrink300 you call what he says is idiocy? you are a woman hating ignorant twerp. grow the fuck up and i pray you never have kids.
frankenmeister1 1 month ago
@Jrink300 you're lumping raped women together - you're only taking into account the emotional distress. like errr do you not realise there are other things such as some women actually not being able to take care of a baby without ruining their lives, and for what? do you think that this incapable mother would be able to bring up her child well? er no because shes not capable.
ilovebeinghip 1 week ago
everyone check out the national network of abortion funds. they help raise money for low income women to obtain abortion care. you can specify on your donation that the money go towards rape victims before anyone else
leiapeison 8 months ago
of everyone typing these novel long comments, i would like to know, who of you have been raped, who of you got pregnant from that rape, BE CAREFUL OF THE WORDS YOU CHOOSE. and be very careful to realize you are only speaking for yourselves, not for everyone else.
xXxXBleedPurpleXxXx 10 months ago 2
YES I AGREE! i am sick of your Pro-Life Assholes who say "oh its an innocent child". WHAT ABOUT THE INNOCENT WOMEN?! she suffers through the pain of rape and is forced through only more pain and pressure of having a child she never wanted. thats sick. you are a good man, i was scared you would be a pro lifer. i dont even know what to say but you are a good man. we need more like you =) .
AnimazingAya 11 months ago
You're a wonderful man and you UNDERSTAND it. You redeem your gender, sir.
BethisRad 1 year ago 4
It took a civil war and 600,000 dead troops to bring an end to legal black slavery.
We'll need to kill countless millions of liberals to end today's atrocities (abortion, terrorism, child slavery, tyranny, genocide, forced starvation, etc) . I don't see it ever happening. These evil vermin are far too numerous and they breed just enough to spread their hideous lies and hatred for life and human dignity.
Humanity will be driven to near extinction.
Soothfish 1 year ago
Whenever a rape happens, the leftists will kill the baby through abortion and give the rapist a light sentence (if he is sentenced at all). This twisted freaks call it a "right" and "justice".
I SAY KILL THE RAPIST AND LET THE INNOCENT CHILD LIVE!
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish we say, kill the rapist and abort his offspring!! of course unless the woman/girl chooses to go along with the dreadfull pregnancy. her choice.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
If I could find you and hug you I would... thank you so very much for taking the time to touch upon this subject. It seems like girls/women stop mattering as soon as some guy impregnates them... no matter how young that girl is, and no matter how she became pregnant. For a man to step up against this... nearly brings me to tears. Thank you again.
violetkitten831 1 year ago
I am a guy. Sexual assault is devastating on a person, I know because I have been sexually abused before. I definitely believe a woman should have the right to choose what to do with her body in this case. As for a fetus in the early stages I don't believe it's quite the same as a grown person.
MMAWARRIOR20 1 year ago 3
@MMAWARRIOR20 A fetus is a very developed stage. It's just a small infant. Certain very corrupt organizations (ex Planned Parenthood) make their fortunes by preying off the ignorance of others. Very few young girls understand the stages of human development. When they finally learn, they become depressed and sometimes suicidal. Or worse...cold as ice.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish I'm not talking about 6 weeks because that looks very much like a child but earlier in the stage. for example a day after the rape, female rape victims should take the morning after pill if they choose. even at a few weeks it's only a cluster of cells.
MMAWARRIOR20 1 year ago
@MMAWARRIOR20 The destruction of an early stage embryo isn't too serious but the slippery slope is VERY real. Once everyone agrees that say a human doesn't have inherent value you can successfully argue in defense of anything. I mean anything!
There are plenty of clinics who stick live infants in plastic bags. They get away with it too.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish stop lying you delusional butt hole! you must be retarded ass angelshoulders' son.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
abortion is wrong.
however, every rules has exceptions.
the world is not so black and white as to say yes abortion should be legal or no abortion should not be legal.
AceofDimonds0 2 years ago
Thank you so much!!!!I was raped when I was 17 and was lied to about the pregnancy.You'll find my story in my favorites titled "And you have the nerve to ask why?" please look at it
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ashatbulaparanormal 2 years ago
A simple point from a simple man, if a child has someone who wants and need them they are best off regardless the choice is the family that needs the child/children & makes a way for them, supports them and loves them, not some outsider making choices for them through their understanding from behind that big red desk, and we think kids don't talk, Please... we make laws to control sex for this, too exclude rights to choose,, so once a choice is made someone needs to balance the books?
Keither9 2 years ago
I want to thank you for this video. I am a woman and I am also a rape victim. I was lucky and didn't get pregnant. I do believe that a child born of rape has a right to live, but no one has the right to take away the mother's rights and turn her into an incubator. Hearing people pretend to care about rape victims and still advocate taking away their rights hurts. It physically hurts. So I thank you. You have just as much right to an opinion as anyone. Thank you.
evilocelot22 2 years ago 4
well addressed. The paradigm is better heard through conflict of religion where people acutely kill one another over sex, but the message is the same. We have painted opinion w/blood 4 far to long when money is spent on punishment to the delight of the enforcers while the enforcers are exempt from laws which have no definition. I once had a woman ask if I was propositioning her by throwing pennies at her when I just wanted her to go away. Sex is not mental illness & faked/misrepresented often.
Keither9 2 years ago
I think the Iranians are a wonderful example of how to handle this kind of situation, except they're Muslims, so they'll all go to Hell.
AbortionIsMurder100 2 years ago
it is idiocy to even assume that every single conception should be brought to term. when pregnancy through rape occures it carries with it a negative energy. the negative energy from the experience is carried from female to fetus. why not abort and allow the fetus to come back into a situation that is more positive? if you wish to go through with the pregnancy then great; your choice. but respect the others choice. you don't have a choice but to.
dragonpat666 2 years ago 22
@dragonpat666 "when pregnancy through rape occures it carries with it a negative energy."
You are killing children to restore 'positive energy'?! Fuck you and your nonsensical new age bullshit!
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish rape victims don't have to accept the rapist forced seed as "her" child. call it killing, murder.. whatever.. our bodies our right: to abortion of course.
and you can't do nothing about it but sit here and tell people "fk you" LOL!! no thanks.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 Rape victims don't want to kill children, they want the pain to go away.
You leftists have everything backwards. You punish the innocent baby with death and then you fight for the so called "rights" of the same bastard who raped the woman in the first place. She is basically being raped twice. Once by the criminal and again by you fucking liberals.
As far as I'm concerned rapists and liberals like you need to be killed on the spot. There is no difference. You are all rapists.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish she would deffinitely be raped twice if we forced her to gestate her rapist offspring! you extremist "prolifer" are crazy, intrusive and dangerous! i seriously think america should lable you terrorists; especially after that extremist nut case killed that doctor right smack in the middle of church service. there is no such thing as an innocent fetus, ok?
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@Soothfish you are not prolife talking about killing folks!! and who exactly fights for the rights of a rapist??? his lawyer? well that is what a lawyer is paid to do for you...whether you are actually guilty or not. abortion is not killing children because children, by definition is born..yes, rape victims want to abort their pregnancy forced on her by a rapists.. its criminal to impregnate someone as a result of raping them.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 I'm not "pro-life".
I just defend the innocent and annihilate scumbags.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 "because children by definition is born"
by the definition of leftist animals like yourself.
Anyway there are plenty of rape victims who do not want to abort but are pressured into it but disgusting people.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish stop trying to make us believe you know the mind and exact thinking of a woman or girl who has been raped...and impregnated as a result...because you don't. for your information, all humans are ANIMALS. just an evovled one. not only are you "disgusting" but you are also sick and twisted.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 a sociopath Fabian socialist calls me "sick and twisted"
That's a new one. Actually it isn't.
Just die.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish just like i said, you are sick and twisted; and extremist too. . the authorities need to be alerted concerning you..and what is a "fabian" socialist? women don't need you in your wombs...no thanks; we can handle ourselves and our own fertility options.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 They don't need knives and suction tubes in their wombs either.
You are nothing but a bloodthirsty animal.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish lol!! if we give you permission to put a knife and suction tube in our wombs then that is ok. other then that, you need not even think of our wombs. blood thirsty animal? lol! boy, calm down..it is not that serious. you cannot monitor billions of womens wombs and fertility objectives.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 negativity is not carried by the innocent unborn or the innocent born into sin or from sin, It is carried by the people judging an act that they did not participate in or have judicial justification to involve themselves in at all. Out side judgment by intrusiveness of people that may want to help and not have a clue or cue too keep too themselves their negativity and want to get that all over everyone for their own gain.
Keither9 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 negativity is not carried by the innocent unborn or the innocent born into sin or from sin, It is carried by the people judging an act that they did not participate in or have judicial justification to involve themselves in at all. Out side judgment by intrusiveness of people that may want to help and not have a clue or cue too keep too themselves their negativity and want to get that all over everyone for their own gain. You can't rape/unrape a person with murderous thinking.
Keither9 1 year ago
@Keither9 your not making sense. i sense your allegiance but i do not gestate for rapists. call the abortion murder or not. i could care less.
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@dragonpat666 sorry you can not understand, It's like looking in the mirror and only seeing what can be related too, what you know to associate the reflection in the minds eye to,,,Till you have the understanding of what is done stop doing what you think is OK when it's not. There is no justification for sex law other than to create wealth often by fraud and in my case,,, straight up treason, murder, and maundering by political and religious racketeering. End sex laws now & cause world peace.
Keither9 1 year ago
@Keither9 still don't overstand what you are saying. but whatever.... happy holidays!!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
Any rape baby should be terminated if the victim doesn't want to give birth or could die from the birth. It's all on her.
rep5281 2 years ago 7
YT has a video about a 10yr old girl who gave birth to a rape baby. If that doesn't make you mad then nothing will...
rep5281 3 years ago 5
Should that baby have been killed in your opinion?
snapperjawz 2 years ago
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**Should that baby have been killed in your opinion?**
the only opinion that mattered was hers. she didn't get a choice when she was being raped... at the very least, let her make this one without judging her for it, ok?
Diannakw 2 years ago 4
"at the very least, let her make this one without judging her for it, ok?"
And why should we let her make the choice without judging her for it? Should we let the rapist rape and not judge him for it? Two wrongs do not make a right. In every terminated pregnancy someone dies. Should this person be killed? My position remains the same, only if protecting this person's life costs another their own against their will.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
**why should we let her make the choice without judging her for it? **
...why? BECAUSE SHE IS A TEN YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL WHO IS PREGNANT WITH HER RAPISTS BABY.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?!
**Should we let the rapist rape and not judge him for it? Two wrongs do not make a right.**
are u seriousley comparing and equating this little girl with her RAPIST? no, u know what? i'm not going to dignify that with a responce. FUCK YOU.
Diannakw 2 years ago 2
"SHE IS A TEN YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL WHO IS PREGNANT WITH HER RAPISTS BABY."
1st of all turn ur caps off & stop pretending you care, for crying out loud you dont care about her! you don't care about anyone but your ownself! Youd abort that same ten yr old if she was a 1 week old fetus in ur uterus conceived by a rapist. Second, if a ten year old killed her 3 week new-born brother, this would be ok in your eyes? She shouldn't be held accountable for intentionally inflicting harm on a new-born?
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
"i'm not going to dignify that with a responce."
Honey, don't flatter yourself; you have no real response, you can't dignify a damn thing! Killing an innocent bystander is the solution? That makes zero sense. She can kill the unborn child, her mother, her father, and all her neighbors, and you know what? It would not change the fact that she was molested/raped and impregnated. Honey, you are not thinking clearly. Go get yourself a glass of water.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
a zygote isnt a bystander you fucking idiot
dont like abortions? move to a 3rd world shit hole where theyre illegal...you'll be right at home
noneofyerbiznezz 2 years ago 2
it doesnt change that she was raped. it does prevent a second rape by denying her a choice over the control of her body. rape takes away autonomy and control of ones body. forced pregnancy does that to an infinite degree. it is the most dehumanizing thing to be turned into a gestational object. if anyone tried to do that to me or one of my little cousins, they better start running.
leiapeison 2 years ago
"it does prevent a second rape." Let's stop right there! Rape is the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual* intercourse*. Gestating has absolutely nothing in common with rape or forced sexual intercourse. 2ndly, by giving unborn children their rights at conception, she'd still have a choice to kill her unborn child. We just want her held accountable for her misdeed, just as we want the rapist held accountable for his misdeed. Justice is justice.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
read my comments again. when a woman is pregnant against her will, she is being violated physically in a manner more heinous than forced sex. forcing a woman to be pregnant is more disgusting than rape. rape takes away control of ones body and leaves a woman feeling dehumanized and dirty. forced pregnancy magnifies her victimization. if someone is living inside of me against my will, it is a form of rape upon me.
leiapeison 2 years ago
"it is a form of rape upon me.." Sorry, if it does not involve sexual intercourse, it is not rape and never will be, no matter how much you wish it was. Also there is no such thing as forcing a woman to be pregnant, no one is tying her to a chair and forcing her to gestate. If unborn babies are rightfully given rights, they will be treated as moral-patients who are not accountable for being in her womb, but she'd (being sentient) be held fully accountable for harming them.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
"rape takes away control..leaves a woman feeling dehumanized and dirty"
For crying out loud, stop pretending to care about victims of rape! You said it urself, you care more about killing the unborn baby than preventing rape, unwanted pregnancies, and bringing all rapists to justice. I find it very sad that you are using rape to justify an unnecessary killing. Really, is that how desperate you are?
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
you can use other objects than rape. anything that is of a sexual nature that is forced is a form of sexual assault. including forced childbirth. it is not your body so stay out of it. i fight because i have seen the trauma of a rape pregnancy first hand with my friend. and i do fight to prevent rape. and i also have written to legislatures about emergency contraception for them. forced pregnancy is the ultimate violation of the person of a woman.
leiapeison 2 years ago
"anything that is of a sexual nature that is forced is a form of sexual assault." unborn children are not objects and them existing in the womb is not of a sexual nature nor does it qualify as sexual assault. If that was the case, than women breastfeeding their babies should be sentence to prison for child molestation.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
if someone was forced to breastfeed it indeed would be a violation of that womans body. i said forced childbirth is a form of assault because it hurts the womans body. and yes, any entity that is in my body that is not normally there is an object. and yes, if a woman is pregnant against her will, it is a forced pregnancy. the unborn do not have rights to my body anymore than born humans do. my body is mine alone. no one can use it against my will.
leiapeison 2 years ago
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"pregnant against her will"
Yeah yeah, and the government is forcing people not to rob banks against their will. Pregnant is a state of being; It does not matter that the woman wants or doesn't want to be pregnant, fact is she is pregnant. So we are not discussing the woman's will not to be pregnant, we are discussing the woman's will to cause harm to another human being to become un-pregnant. Abortion is a service that our government have every right to regulate and deny.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
the govt forces you not to rob a bank because that you are taking somethng that you had no business taking and was of no recompense to you. when a woman has an abortion, she is taking back what was stolen from her in the first place, her bodily control. and yes it DOES matter whether she wants to be pregnant. she is causing harm to the fetus only to restore what is hers in the first place. your cavalier attitude towards pregnancy and rape is obvious and disturbing to say the least.
leiapeison 2 years ago
"forced pregnancy..violation of the person..woman."
No such thing as forced pregnancy. Also just b/c the unborn are in the body does not make it just to take advantage of them& cause unnecessary harm. Abortion harms a human being when this harm is unnecessary. Causing unnecessary harm to a human being is the ultimate violation to any individual. This is why rape is wrong, youd be no better for taking away your offsprings right not to be harmed. Both of you would be guilty of wrongful acts.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
forced motherhood is the correct term not pregnancy. Abortion doesn't hram anyone. Especially not fetuses. because they aren't huamn beings but only of HUman DNA. Harm, murder, killing appplies to only beings not masses of tissue.
blizzard7006 2 years ago 17
@blizzard7006 The term you are looking for is "blastocyst" or embryo.
A fetus is a fully developed (or almost fully developed) infant. You liberals are killing infants. Fuck you.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish "The term you are looking for is "blastocyst" or embryo."
u huh...
"A fetus is a fully developed (or almost fully developed) infant. You liberals are killing infants. Fuck you. "
Fetuses are not infants, infancy is a stage that begins after birth .Infanticide is illegal. You conservatives are oppressing women rights. Fuck you.
blizzard7006 1 year ago
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@blizzard7006 legality has nothing to do with the scientific reality.
The Nazis considered it acceptable to kill Jews simply because it was legal. You are a Nazi.
Just die you piece of shit!
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish "legality has nothing to do with the scientific reality."
Not in correlation with each other they don't. But I fail to see your point.
"The Nazis considered it acceptable to kill Jews simply because it was legal. "
Whose reproductive organs were the Jews using to sustain their life again?
"You are a Nazi."
How adorable, right wing lambasting. The same sorta nazi labeling fox news is fond of to anyone who doesn't agree with them. You are an idiot, please educate yourself.
blizzard7006 1 year ago
@blizzard7006 THANK YOU FOR THAT. i get so sick of people using "nazi!" as some kind of ultimate insult, when in reality, it's EXTREMELY offensive to jewish people and their families (like mine) who perished in the holocaust. comparing ordinary people to hitler is beyond rude.. it's plain fucked up. they need to turn off fox news and get a clue.
JennandMolly 9 months ago
@blizzard7006 What amazes me most about you disgusting liberals is that there is nothing you won't do. In 1972 they regarded infanticide as an atrocity. Then in 1973 it became a "woman's right to choose".
It won't be long until you come up with some demented reason to legalize the killing of 3 year old toddlers.
Hopefully every last one of your will be a corpse before that day comes.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish dumb, dumb abortion is life. abortion has been around since we have been getting pregnant; yet and still we never came to the conclusion that killing a 3 year old was ok. don't worry, we understand you just walked out of a hole in the ground somewheres!
dragonpat666 1 year ago
@blizzard7006 Every person on Earth is a mass of tissue. Using your own logic it should be acceptable for me to kill you. I'd gladly abort the fuck out of you.
Soothfish 1 year ago
@Soothfish "Every person on Earth is a mass of tissue."
Persons are *MORE* than mass of tissue.
" Using your own logic it should be acceptable for me to kill you."
Except that I actually have established and interesting living and have my own right to life. So you kill me you go to jail for premeditated murder.
' I'd gladly abort the fuck out of you. "
I bet you would. Most right wing extremists can only resort to violence to solve issues. It wouldn't surprise me.
blizzard7006 1 year ago
@blizzard7006 What makes you think that you are a being and not just a mass of tissue? Your ability to think? Well can fetuses think? hmmm yes!
Jrink300 2 months ago
@Jrink300 Fetuses cannot think. the cerebral cortex does not even begin to grow until week 26 and does not begin to hook up to the central nervous system until week 29. The fetal brain is kept sedated by chemicals produced in the uterus during the last months of pregnancy. Source "The importance of 'awareness' for understanding fetal pain", David Mellor, 2005, "Fetal Awareness, RCOG, 2010, and "Fetal Pain", JAMA, 2005.
pirbird14 2 weeks ago
Oh, so forcing her to carry the baby because you think that she does not have the right to control her own body again and her life, is not called forced pregnancy, right?
justforflag2 2 years ago 3
abortion isnt killing anymore than removing a mole or wart is killing
its a medical procedure ON a WOMAN
if you're a female, you are a very sad person..wanting to punish your own gender
BabiesWearDiapers 2 years ago 6
Taking away awomens choice is forcing a women to be pregnant..... Get a grip on reality if there were no docs prefoming abortions (Dand C) then there would be utter chaos... Women would take it upon themselves to abort in unimaginable ways.. total chaos....... its 2009 and its not going away im for pro choice if i go to hell so be it thats if there is a hell
ricksgarl 2 years ago 8
utter chaos? lol what makes it so funny is that you actually believe that nonsense.
HerAwesomenessXO 2 years ago
ROFLMFAOPMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are comparing a woman choosing to terminate her pregnancy to a rapist raping someone?
may you be raped so you can belittle the experience from first hand knowledge
noneofyerbiznezz 2 years ago 3
Why are they calling abortion the UnChoice?
64% of abortions involve coercion
84% were not fully informed
52% felt rushed and 54% uncertain beforehand, yet ...
67% received no counseling beforehand, and
79% were not informed about alternatives
Coercion can escalate to violence
Homicide is the leading killer of pregnant women
GeraSchmidt 3 years ago
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bluemoon014 3 years ago 11
how do you know the child will love that mommy? how do you even know it will be able to handle knowing how it was conceived? no one is saying rape children are less than human. we are saying the nature of the pregnancy is differant and must be a consideration. i would not want to be born to a mother that was forced to have me. it would be selfish for a person to want to be born if they knew it would cause someone pain.
leiapeison 3 years ago
Abortion for rape wouldn't make sense. If someone wronged me I wouldn't destroy another beings chance at life.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
MyChaotic: that is your choice and I would respect that. However, while you can't comprehend it, there are other points of view just as valid as yours.
bschott 3 years ago
"While you can't comprehend"? I made a comment stating my opinion, and my opinion was attack and called into question on two forums by the same person. I indulged the individual and had a give and take with them. I respect opinions and, as I stated earlier, do not wish to force mine on anyone. However, this is an opinion based video therefore the forum should be a safe place to say them.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
The only person I was vitriolic with was that person. So, if you dont mind, I dont appreciate your condescending attitude towards me. Youll find that I do not agree with people who dont respect others choices. Youll also find that Im a fairly amicable person unless provoked. I suggest you consider who you are talking to and why they do things before making a comment in a high and mighty way.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
Again, I wasn't in that mind-set. Perhaps my wording may have not taken the tone I was looking for. If you took offense, I appologize, I certainly didn't mean it in that sense.
bschott 3 years ago
Thank you. I suppose I can be slightly sensitive. The moment I say Pro-Life people seem to assume I'm going to say anyone who disagrees is a murderer or in some way below me. My opinion is just that, an opinion. We are all entitled to our own.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
What I had based my response on was "Abortion for rape wouldn't make sense. If someone wronged me I wouldn't destroy another beings chance at life"
You were stating, in a sense, you couldn't fathom anyone could 'destroy another beings chance at life" I was just responding to that... No offense meant.
bschott 3 years ago
That statement was my personal opinion response within a conversation with someone else. I stated earlier I don't know if it was on this forum or the other to that very same person that rape victims and people who use it as birth control are very different cases. I also state in my pro-life play list that I don't judge people; my best friend went through an abortion. If someone is raped and impregnated they shouldn't be shunned for not wanting the child, it isn't the same.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
If a women is raped, she needs to be checking that our right away. She should get checked for STD's and as soon as possible pregnancy. That is her responsibility.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
I agree with you 100%. I just didn't go into that aspect of it as I was focused on an issue I had really wanted to talk about for a while.
bschott 3 years ago
There really isn't much in your video I disagree with. The only person I was addressing earlier was a person who was rude to me on one forum then made a comment to me again on this forum.
I WOULD like to say though, gender doesn't matter. You are more then welcome to have an opinion on anything. There are just as many men that are affected by abortion. What about all the fathers that have a child taken from them before they even have a chance? A girl I met got one without informing the father.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
The child did nothing wrong to deserve being killed. I agree with you.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
Prochoice is a womans choice not the Government.
laurak40 3 years ago 4
i agree abortion in the case of rape shud be legal but thats 4% in consentual sex abortion shud never be an option
dancinwitmyhairdown 3 years ago
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Most "rape" is acquaintance rape. My ex-husband raped me 8 times! You need to qualify your stats as 32K violent random rape, or acquaintance rape, etc. resulted in pregnancy. I assume there is DNA proving that?
There are 2 million newborns WANTED by adoptive parents.
ADOPTION! WHY SHOULD A HUMAN BE FORCED TO DEATH FOR BEING "UNWANTED" BY ONE BUT WANTED BY 2 MILLION PARENTS ON A 7-12 YEAR WAITING LIST?
Crime is a bitch, murder thru surgical abortion never heals the CRIME of rape, idiot!
Xcesschick 3 years ago
Again I agree. There are plenty of loving happy families that will take the child.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
Again to Xcesschick and MyChaotic: I am sure there are happy families out there to take the baby, but that means you agree that forcing a woman to be reminded of a rape 24 hours a day for 9 months is ok and acceptable. To take an innocent victim of a brutal crime and basically damage them mentally is perfectly ok.
I guess that you believe that ever woman has to love the idea of being forced into motherhood, or at least to have to carry a baby she doesn't want to term.
bschott 3 years ago
rape is rape!! acquaintance rape is just as much of a crime as a brutal knife rape by a stranger. he said the statistics were off of the CDC website. i have read other studies that give the same statistics. and there are 150 million orphans in the world. there are plenty of children for people to adopt if they would stop being selfish by only wanting babies.
leiapeison 3 years ago
I agree, people are picky. So what if a kid isn't a baby, they need a home just as badly as that baby does!
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago 2
Xcesschick: I only reported what the studies from reputable, peer-reviewed sources had said. If you want to question the UCLA study or the Rape and Abuse Crisis center's study, feel free. I had nothing to do with them and I am just using their studies as they seemed the most unbiased and the one's that other journals and medical papers were using as sources.
bschott 3 years ago
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Having a baby is not being imprisoned.
Its murder on day one not 40 weeks.
What do you think is worse rape or murder?
How do you know 39% of women reported being raped since that statistic is admitting that you don't know how many women were raped?
ArboriusOwns 3 years ago
Also consider a lot of girls cry wolf.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
statistically, false rape reports are no higher for that crime than any other. the vast majority of rape reports are legit.
leiapeison 3 years ago
I agree that they are mostly legit, but there are some girls that cry wolf. Now consider how many woman would say they were raped if that is what they would need to do to get an abortion.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
many countries outlaw abortion except for rape and they make it work. they have a system where there has to be a police report. and there would have to be very harsh penalties if the girl was found to be lying. and have you been raped to know how you would respond to such trauma? you sound as if you speak from experience. it is easy to stand against choice when you are not the one that has to decide.
leiapeison 3 years ago
Wow you're dumb, Rape in my opinion is a different story as I've said before. If a woman can prove she was raped (which isn't hard if you make the call after it happens) even as a pro-lifer, I can't say I would force a woman. But as a pro-lifer, I wouldn't condone it. I don't think its ok but I would not force that opinion on someone who has been through so much. I don't think its right, but I don't think I would know what that feels like unless it happens to me." from the other forum we are on.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
"Rape in my opinion *** forgot the "
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
Why are you talking to me on two seperate forums?? Pick one or the other.
MyChaoticPeace 3 years ago
being forced to carry a child conceived in violence is indeed being imprisoned in your own body for 9 months. it is being raped of the control of your body again.
leiapeison 3 years ago
ArboriusOwns: How do I know? Well I provided links to my research which had been supplied by the Rape and Abuse Crisis Centers (the people who deal with these situations ever day) and the University of California, LA. You can look into how they performed their peer-reviewed studies and the methods behind the stats if you want.
bschott 3 years ago
It's as simple as this you can not justify murdering an innocent child under any circumstance. The child didn't rape anyone.
ArboriusOwns 3 years ago
we agree with everything you said...5/5
MiesterWho 3 years ago
i think what needs to be addressed here is the people actually writing these comments. i have a few questions for you.
Were you ever raped? Did you ever fall pregnant as a result of a rape?
I think many of you don't speak from experience. If you answered yes to those questions and still found yourself against abortion then i applaud you.
But if not then how can you make those judgements and decisions? Because upon finding youself in that situation you may change your mind.
lozby11 3 years ago 6
If you can abort the fetus of a rapist... a woman who has a 6 year old child by some dog that later rapes a teen... that woman should now be able to "abort" her 6 year old child of a rapist? Especially if that child is a little boy who looks like his rapist dad??
loggerbuck 3 years ago
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If a woman is raped, the child has no fault. The child has her DNA, her blood flowing through his/her veins - Women are created to give life, not take it. How would you feel if your father raped a woman and the police came to YOUR door and made you serve the punishment due your father? Would that be fair? NO! The woman may have been a victim of rape, but the child does not have to be, he/she must be protected by the mother. It is our obligation! Thank God, my mother chose to protect me.
arlozan0 3 years ago
And that was wonderful that she did. The fact is, there are two sides to this. First, if you seem to see women only as "baby makers", not humans with their own emotional states. Women do not just hit a switch and go into "mommy mode" the instant they are pregnant.
While you worry about the unborn child, I worry about the other human who is someone else's daughter, sister, aunt, mother, wife. I see that some women can't handle the thought of being reminded of the rape for 9 months.
bschott 3 years ago
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Two immoral acts do not make a right. Abortion is murder and murder is always wrong.
Yes, rape is wrong and it is horribly sad that the woman has any consequences to endure (emotional, psychological, pregnancy); however, it is up to her to choose how she deals with those consequences.
It is good for the State to condemn murder even when that murder would alleviate physical and psychological stress for the murderer.
So you see, with rape victims, the issue remains the same: is it murder?
mcguirgw 4 years ago
Murder is wrong. Well certainly to kill another human is indeed something we as society frown on, however law enforcement, soldiers, and even the state itself kill people daily. I would hope you have the same passion against all forms of murder then. From the executioner for that serial killer on death row, to the soldiers in Iraq.
All in all, you see this as a murder issue, I'll say that I don't see it in the same light.
bschott 3 years ago
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human as defined by law. Murder is usually distinguished from other forms of homicide by malice intent and lack of lawful justification. Even the Bible makes this distinction between "to murder" and "to kill" by using particular Hebrew verbs, permitting these acts and self-defense.
In other words, the executioner and soldier don't commit murder when they kill an inmate or enemy combatant; their actions are morally justified and sanctioned by U.S. law.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
the bible has nothing to do with secular law. you cant legislate based on religious principles. womens wombs arnt public domain. if a woman cant be free inside her own body she cannot be free at all. there is no more personal boundary than ones own body. it is a fundamental right to have control over ones own person. to outlaw abortion for rape victims violates this right to an unfathomable degree. every woman would be a potential brood mare for a waiting rapist. it is her body her choice.
leiapeison 3 years ago
I'm surprised you didn't ape "you can't legislate morality." Where do you think US law originated? -- Largely from Biblical principle and argumentation. You miss the point, though. You don't even need to argue from the Bible in this debate; the Bible only confirms and bolsters my position.
Don't misunderstand me concerning control over her own body. She ought to be free to kill the child. However, she should still be subject to the penalty of murder.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
US law has seperation of church and state. the early church did not prohibit abortion before quickening. abortifacients were common and advertised extensively. this nation is not ruled by dogma. it is ruled by freedom of and from religious ideals. not everyone in this nation is a christian so you cant force them to follow your beliefs.there is strong biblical support for choice. after all it is god who gave us free will is it not?
leiapeison 3 years ago
rather silly.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
So, McGuirgw, what do you find silly? The fact that the founding fathers saw how the church and the state must be seperated (and a small part of the basis on why they revolted) or the fact that abortifacients were in fact widely advertised and used in prior years of the church? Or you do find the fact that some subscribe to different beliefs? Or that you are not allowed to force people to belief what you do?
bschott 3 years ago
his use of "separation of church and state" in this instance along with his comment on free will. I am not suggesting there is no such separation, just that it isn't pertinent.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
US law may have originated from a christian base, but it was just a starting point. Americans have no official religion. We have no official language. We are a mixing pot of many beliefs and many religions.
My question is: What invalidates all other religions? What makes a majority of the world population's religious beliefs wrong and christianity the only true belief?
bschott 3 years ago
I agree with the first paragraph; though,
What makes a religion's beliefs true are their correspondence to reality. Most religions make truth claims that are exclusive. If they are true at those points, alternate religions are false. If the New Testament's teachings are true, then Christianity is true to the exclusion of every other religion. If Jesus was crucified to atone for sins, died, buried and rose on the third day, then Christianity is true and other religions wrong to various degrees.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
"In other words, the executioner and soldier don't commit murder when they kill an inmate or enemy combatant; their actions are morally justified and sanctioned by U.S. law..."
Well, legally, there is no murder being committed per US Law during an abortion. Your opinion is noted, and I perhaps agree on convenience abortions, but not everyone agrees.
bschott 3 years ago
I agree. There is no murder according to US law, but I believe (along with many others) that it remain murder as it transgresses a higher moral order than US law, which can be argued from secular and religious philosophical angles. That is why I still call it murder.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
Given your level-headed and rational responses, I definately do support your views (I don't agree with all of them but I support them).
bschott 3 years ago
"That is why I still call it murder."
Doesn't matter what you call it. Murder is SOLELY the UNLAWFUL killing (abortion is legal) of a human being (which it's NOT a human being until it's viable) with malice afterthought, there is NO other way to slice and dice it.
Headhunter004 2 years ago 3
"That is why I still call it murder."
Doesn't matter what you call it. Murder is SOLELY the UNLAWFUL killing (abortion is legal) of a human being (which it's NOT a human being until it's viable) with malice afterthought, there is NO other way to slice and dice it.
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awomen
the reason they call it murder is because they need to misuse words to try to make a point....because they really have no point
noneofyerbiznezz 2 years ago
The issue is likewise: at what point does a human being (embryo/fetus/newborn) constitute a human person with an inalienable right to life?
If yes, then abortion is murder, despite the rape.
If not, then abortion could not be murder and may be permissible, never mind the rape.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
unlike a fetus who has no real life experience or interest in self preservation to begin with. it is not inhumane to end a pregnancy for the fetus does not suffer in any verifiable way as a rape victim would if compelled to continue an involuntary pregnancy. for a society to truly value life, the needs of the woman must be considered in these special circumstances. to give fetuses absolute rights is to reduce women to nothing more than wombs with legs.
leiapeison 3 years ago
Absurd but funny. I am not convinced about self-preservation or its pertinence. Suffering or not has no bearing on my statements. "Giving" the fetus such rights does not reduce the woman at all. (Note that we only recognize the fetus' right to life) Actually in my thinking the woman is not reduced because she is a moral agent with a priceless gift in her care. Her burden and reluctance do not remove her moral obligation to persevere and do right by the human life within her, i.e. not murder it.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
a priceless gift? are you naive enough to think she will treasure having her sexual agency stripped from her because some thug decided to rape her? how do you think this is going to affect the child? the loathing she would feel would undoudetdly transfer to the child. not to mention i doubt she would take proper care of herself during the pregnancy. two bodys in one cannot have full rights for logic dictates they would interfere with the other. the fetus imposes upn the woman not the other way.
leiapeison 3 years ago
The fetus did not choose in which womb or in what manner it would be conceived. Whether the woman knows the value of life does not change that value. "Undoubtedly"? -- perhaps "possibly". I have already said the woman needs counseling to deal with ALL of the effects of the rape.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
Believe me, I have compassion for rape victims, especially ones who have the added stress of a pregnancy. A close relative faced that burden, so I know it is beyond difficult. However, that is not enough to validate an abortion. Btw, my words are just as harsh for the rapist as the abortionist. They are both taking another person's life into their own hands and using/discarding it to their physical/emotional desire. Each is reprehensible, but aborting a "rape baby" only compounds the horror.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
the potential for life does not justify victimizing a woman through forced pregnancy. imposing pregnancy upon an unconsenting person is more heinous than forced sex for the latter is an intrusion far more personal with farer-reaching consequences. to deny choice for rape victims is treating them as the rapist did, as a means to an end for the benefit of another. women arnt chattel to be bred like livestock. they are thinking independant beings will lives and a welfare to be concerned about.
leiapeison 3 years ago
I would not impose pregnancy; I only argue that once a pregnancy has already began its origin has no bearing on the value of the life inside the woman. I do not deny there is a choice; I only deny it is morally justifiable (and believe it ought to be illegal). It is not that they are simply a means to an end but rather that they are moral agents with a difficult road to face. However, that difficulty does not give the right to take a life no matter how demanding or inconvenient.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
if you remove a choice, you are an accomplice to her victimizationa and are continuing the imposition of the act upon her. a woman is a moral agent. a fetus is not. pregnancy is not a benign harmless condition even when it is wanted. for a woman to be forced to endure it is stripping her of her humanity which is what you assert pro choice people are doing. personal issues such as childbearing a not state matters. they are medical decisions that only the woman can make for herself.
leiapeison 3 years ago
you have compassion for rape victims? not even to consider how carrying the pregnancy will harm her. even if it destroys her you want to legally enforce childbirth on her. you dont get to choose who i share my body with or when or if i use my body to save anothers life. it is MY BODY!!! the govt cant force me to have something living inside me against my will. i am not your property. the barrier is my skin. stay out of my body and i will stay out of yours.
leiapeison 2 years ago 3
leia
youre right. giving birth at that age [ 10 ]will DESTROY HER BODY... if her under developed, pre-pubesent body will go through the trauma of labor ( a labour even many grown women struggle with ) she will probably never be able to have another child again.
Diannakw 2 years ago
i dont give a shit if the antichoicers have compassion for rape victims..they'll never take away our right to choose
noneofyerbiznezz 2 years ago 3
you're right it is up to her how she deals with those consequences. one way she can deal with it is reclaiming control over her body by aborting an uninvited parasite. mental health is a crucial component of overrall health. forcing her to remain pregnant would indeed create an enormous toll on her. many of these women are left with permanent psychiatirc scars after such an ordeal. this isnt about relieving suffering. it is about treating women as human beings.
leiapeison 3 years ago 2
The rape victim needs a counselor not an abortionist.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
the victim needs an unbiased counselor who will navigate her through this decision so she can arrive at the conclusion that best suits her and her potential offsprings. i am not saying that the unborn have no value or should not have an advocate speaking on their behalf. i am saying that for true justice to prevail, the outcome must be one that would be best for both. for some situations, not carrying to term would be the unfortunate case.
leiapeison 3 years ago
An "unbiased" counselor does not exist. No, you haven't claimed the unborn have no value... just not enough.
mcguirgw 3 years ago
most abortion 98% are not from rape, it a form of birth control.
roevswade 4 years ago
Well, the fact is I don't have the statistics on all abortions as I believe, since I am a man and therefore without need female parts, my opinion on abortions really should hold no weight. I'll say I don't agree on convenience abortions, but its not my place to naysay a woman if she has one. That's her call. I will say that we shouldn't force rape victims into 9 months or more of being daily reminded of that rape if that is how they see the child. That mental abuse is as bad as the rape itself.
bschott 3 years ago
Pro-choicers always talk about rape and aids and physically and mentally challenged babies. Well what about healthy babies. We are killing healthy babies. Healthy babies shouldnt be killed.
DeanClark68 4 years ago
I hate to tell how it is, but it is what it is and people dont want those babies.
DuttyGyal718 4 years ago
You're forgetting one thing. The "fetus" is a life. If you remove the life. You're not only going to suffer the trauma of rape, but the trauma of ending the life of the child inside of you. The fact of the matter is you're ending a life. Enough said.
dannyecrane 4 years ago
danny says.. The "fetus" is a life. That dosen't matter if you don't want it. sanny says..You're not only going to suffer the trauma of rape, but the trauma of ending the life of the child inside of you.
98% of woman who abort are happy. It makes the sun shine again. You CANNOT determine what women go through if you haven't been there or haven't asked. Go ask. you said.. The fact of the matter is you're ending a life. I think thats why they call is an "abortion".
sueezee 3 years ago 4
before i start spewing words ... i would like to say im sorry if i offended anyone but this is my opinion, tell sanny or if sanny reads this then your baby is a constant reminder of the rape, people can block out memories but children never fade, that being said, children that you never see you cant remember, someone we know has been rapped and wanted to keep the baby ... it was a miscariage and that person now says it was better that way then to keep it .... we agree
MiesterWho 3 years ago 2
What a nice guy! I'm glad that there are some men who can really empathise with rape victims.
A foetus doesn't even have a developed human brain until week 25 or 26, so they can't be even aware of their environment, and have no consciousness.
Thank you for this awesome video.
involverina 4 years ago 3
I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I really debated on if I wanted to post this or not. Seeing the feed back I just may have to get back into making these videos.
bschott 3 years ago
Gush, what the fuck! Th esame thing happen to me too btu I kept my son and he is today one of the nicest child on earth, Why put anger on poor little unborn child! I am so happy I did nto go for abortion. I hate to see so many people bringing so many excuses all the time I als had no parents no job