I want the Republic of China to exist on Mainland China and Taiwan once again, that will make the world a Peaceful place because America will have Dominance and hence no one is prepared to challenge and cause unpeaceful wars.
When the 2 sides unite someday, Ma could be elected as the President of China since the people from both sides of the strait like him. I would be glad to see that too.
Communist China supporters are always masturbating about uniting Taiwan. Not knowing, they would not even get HK without a fight if UK did not betray us in the first place. I don't think Taiwanese are idiots, someone who always want other to make sacrifices for their own convenient, and resort to violence to get their way do not deserve to be a leader, viva Independence of Taiwan or ROC takeover, the choice is Taiwanese to make.
@Balencian Oh oh, you poor guys!! The poor ones abandoned by the UK, I am blaming the UK, how could you treat your colonised people without loyalty? I am blaming the Chinese government, why did you pick up those abandoned ones?
It does not matter what you say but how you act. I see plenty mainlanders who said they hated Communist China, but the way they act tell me they had been brainwashed (or corrupted, can't even find a word for it) by Mao during the cultural revolution. Whether TW go Independence, it is their choice, whehter HK like to be reunited, it is our choice, if you can't understand that, than you are no better than the Fqing trolling for CCP.
@Balencian Once again, you can hate Communist Party, but there is absolutely nothing to do with the people living there and stop generalising people with judgement! (I noticed that I am not the only one who has this opinion on you), this could only make you sound stupid and ridiculous! It's indeed the people who decide to go independence or not in a real democratic society, I am talking about TW, as the political status of HK is afterall not the same at all.
It's useless and a waste of time to debate with a stubborn stone like Balencian!
-Eh, then why are you trying to start another useless and a waste of time debate with me again. Hypocrisy runs deep in CCP supporters' blood? (And are you trying to reinforce my generalization; btw i am generalizing, I am observing a trend amongst supporters of a completely criminal party that asks others to sacrifice to benefit themselves).
Never said HK and TW political status is the same but the hate of PRC supporters is universal amongst the world's intellect and righteous people. And before calling me bias, or calling me not understanding PRC, look at yourselves, you guys supported PRC but would admit you are from mainland, lived in luxury in the West while your countrymen are oppressed (I am not a mainlander but at least I helped out in PRC), I don't think you two have any rights to praise PRC.
@Balencian The people of TW had the chance to choose their leader, where this will bring them to is another question. I am happy for them. You know what? I am not going to have an endless debate with you, but I would still repeat my first post that attracted your attention:
One more thing, if you support PRC's policies or think they are better than USA or that Taiwan should united with mainland, you should NOT EVEN been on youtube in the first place. PRC banned it, you guys have your censored version called youku (a pirated ver of youtube). It is so easy for trashes to step on other's freedom while leeching off others' successes? This is the logic of Mao and PRC supporters, if being objective is bias, then called me bias if you will.
@Balencian As a Chinese born and raised in the mainland, I would love to see a unified China that will be the biggest democratic country in the world.
And again, be humble! It's not the fact that you are from HK makes you more educated, superior to the mainlanders, stop generalising people with labels, judgements.....That only makes you ridiculous! Good luck and grow up!
Firstly, you said I am generalizing ppl from mainland, noted everytime I said, CCP supporter from mainland, I bare no grudge against general mainlanders, but I do have extreme grudge against mainlanders who have the fortune to escape from CCP's jaws but still support CCP for their personal gain or pride.
Secondly I never said anything being from HK made me more educated/superior to mainlanders, but as someone who helped out in PRC, been to rural China. I think I have more rights to speak than ppl who lived their whole live in coastal cities in PRC, escaped to the US about the dam situation there. Ppl like you really sickens me, once you have good life, you don't care about others' sufferings, if you support democracy, you would not have support CCP to begin with.
- First: my background: Chinese nationality, born and raised in the mainland, but have been travelling a lot, great experiences that have brought me a lot. To to be able to see the world and people in different ways. If you never even lived in China, you would not understand the mainland and its people better than me, did you actually even ever live in HK?
@Balencian - Second: Check my first post that attracted all your judgement, I said: " As a Chinese born and raised in the mainland, I would like to see a unified DEMOCRATIC China" and I even pointed out that it would be difficult for the CCP to give up their power.
@Balencian A: This is a wish and did you find a word in my post that I support CCP to lead the unified China? Did I propose a single missile pointing at TW? (I am not saying HK, as it's already hald-united with the mainland officially despite different point of views on its status, but once again, Beijing's policies being good or bad, this is CCP of which I never said I was a supporter,
@Balencian stop accusing me of a CCP supporter, moreover, don't assume that I am a CCP supporter who lives and steals the money of the West, by saying that, you are just making yourself a 100% fool)
@Balencian B: Did I ever say I am against your opinion about the independence of TW and HK? I even agreed that it should be the choice of the people to decide in a real democratic society and it's the case in TW, Mr Ma was elected by the people of TW, being pro-mainland or pro-independence and this is the system I would like to see in a unified democratic China, AM I NOT BEING DEMOCRATIC? Read before you judge and JUDGE WITH SENSE
@Balencian C: Why Judge with sense? All the stupid generalized judgement you put about the mainlanders with labels don't make any fucking sense, we are not well-behaved, we are hypocritical, we eye the money of TW and even consider mainlanders as a bunch of FAGGOTS......
@Balencian I think a really well-educated individual would not attack by generalizing people as FAGGOTS, you live in an English-speaking country, you know perfectly what it means. At the end, I am just looking at you as trash with no education! BTW, I am gay, have a problem?
Alright, if you are really gay, I am sorry for using that term. Yet, if you lived in an English speaking country, you do know Faggot is used mainly as a slur? But since you are gay, I will apologize anyways.
Btw, as i continue to stated, I am against a specific group of people from mainland, which you seems to be very offended. Tell me why do you sympathize with CCP supporter that tell others to embrace CCP when they themselves are not there???
Q: Did I ever say I am against your opinion about the independence of TW and HK?
A: Then why did you argue against me in the 1st place?
Q: "all your judgement on the mainlanders"
A: I specific again and again, I am against a certain group, and those are the CCP supporter from the mainland operating in the West. You do know you are the one saying I am generalizing all Chinese from mainland, yet I am only attacking a specific group.
@Balencian E: After all, you are just a narrow-minded guy, again be humble and wise. And save your arrogance and attitude for yourself. Or IF you are really Canadian, do you actually vote and care about the politics in your own country? If you don't even have the nationality of HK, don't call it your country (I am using "IF") Judgements from someone who doesn't even live there won't make so much of sense to me.
Q: Judgements from someone who doesn't even live there won't make so much of sense to me.
A: A paradox, according to your logic, why did we even argue about Taiwan in the first place (As for you, why HK)? It seems like you are just jumping into conclusions as it fits you without thinking how it might damage your own stance as well.
@Balencian 1: In a democratic country, everybody has the right to speak out his opinion, even if the opinions could be very different from one another. For example, we might have the below opinions on TW, HK and Maniland issue
@Balencian C: Someone else that is Pro-CCP mostly for the below reasons I guess: They see a progressing CCP ecomonically and democratically. CCP has helped a mass population get out of poverty, made Mainland the second largest economy from a poor and weak nation, the gradually built welfare and medical system from which they benefit.
@Balencian They see the democratic changes inside CCP, even if they think it's slow.(From the time of Mao to what it's like now, it's indeed a huge change) Besides, they look at mainland in a different way, a huge nation with very weak basis. Well, in a word, they see a CCP in progress, that brings them hope and confidence. I personally partially agree with them, even if I am not pro-CCP
@Balencian Of course, you have loads of other voices, but my point is: we all have the right to speak out our voices, this is democracy. But the situation is we are neither democratic or united. It's my wish to see a unified democratic China. That's what my first post was about. You are maybe for independence of TW/HK, that's your opinion.
@Balencian 2: I didn't even know where you are from in the first place until I read your exchanged messages with others. Indeed, I was a bit offended by your insults on the mainlanders, especially your earlier judgement were quite generalised. (Now you say it's for a specific group of people) It is just so stupid for someone to judge the people of a country, which you never even lived in. Don't change again now you are specific to the pro- CCP Chinese living in the West of mainland origin.
@Balencian Besides, someone that doesn't behave well is a question of education, nothing to do with his political view, he is Pro-CCP, it doesn't make him a worse individual than someone that is Pro HK/TW independence; Or someone like me that is hoping a Unified China with a democratic system from the mainland is not necessarily inferior to a so-called HKer or a Canadian of HKer origin, which again origins from the mainland.
1. It does have do with political view. Why I am against mainlanders in the West advocating for CCP is because if they are in the West, they obviously don't like their home ran by CCP, so what is your intention in bringing something you don't like over? This is a growing trend in the West, and a grave problem in HK.
@Balencian Well, in the first messages, you didn't mention anything about the mainlanders in the West, nor the mainlanders pro-ccp but mainlanders in geneal and after you limit the group you attack again and again. So better make your point more clear in the first place. Moreover, you even have Chinese immigrants from HK/TW in the west that support CCP. I would not generalise the reason people leave their country coz they don't like it, might be for many reasons like for a better life
@Balencian This is a quite complicated issue, but there might be a misunderstanding between CCP and China. CCP for me doesn't equal China. I am not goin to comment much on this, as it's a question of race pride, integration......
2. For democracy to work, you need participants to respect the democratic system for it works. Yet, there is a limit, I am afraid I am not a libertarian as I do not believed people who want to use democracy to bring about dictatorship deserves democracy. I personally do not mind different voices in a debate about democracy, but if you are supporting a dictatorship like CCP, I will respect your cultural difference and debate with you in a CCP tone.
@Balencian Your opinions are mostly based on what CCP did in the past, but none of your messages recognised the achievement they have made, it was them that killed his own citizens, it was also them that has got a mass population out of poverty, developped mainland..... We do have cultural dfference, you grew up in the west, I grew up in China and I know the country and people better than you. Can you write and read in Chinese? If so, do you read things from different medias?
3. Someone that does not behave ell is a question of education. I agreed and that is the main problem of PRC. The cultural revolution had kill off one generation of scholars and their education today is still very primitive in its moral/civil aspect.
4. Just because I bashed CCP supporters from mainland in the West, does not mean I suggest superiority of certain race. This is why I said you were assuming*. Especially given the fact I repeat it time to time.
@Balencian You are absolutely right about the moral/civil aspect and this is now being debated a lot there. The biggest problem for me in PRC is JUSTICE and CORRUPTION. And this for me mainly results from the one-party ruling fact and of course education, but Rome was not built in one day! I grew up in a poor family, I personally don't get along with the rich and hate those who use the money of the others
@Balencian I think one of the biggest differences between us is:You only have hatred, because you were neither born nor grew up in PRC, but I did. You don't call that place "home" but I do, as it's my home, I wouldn't quit it but hope to see it get better
And finally if people from HK/TW and mainland really don't get along, and the majority of ppl there really prefer to be independent, for me, no point to stay together either.
To hv unified democratic China is just my wish,that's t
1) You probably is right, I was never born nor grew up in PRC, hence I do not understand what you guys been through, and all I seen is the damage PRC done to my home. Hence to save my own house, I prefer to cut ties than trying to save some relatives I am not even so close or know.
2) I did look at their (CCP) achievement but their program is so much like Chiang, let a few get richer and let the mass live in poverty (one my grandma actually benefit from this era before ww2 and after the northern expedition). Moreover, i see nothing good from Mao Zedong. Hence, I questioned with is the point of the civil war and the cultural revolution, other than doing irrepairable dmg on Chinese morality, culture and lives.
@Balencian D: Or you still have so much hatred, like I suggested, go to Tian An Men or Zhong Nan Hai with a bomb to get all that angry shit out of you, that might make you a better individual!
@Balencian Voila, c'est mes points, tu les as bien compris ou pas, ça ne va pas changer le fait que tu es un connard de premier sans éducation, j'espere que tu parles le français comme le Canada est ton pays!
Firstly, I served in the Canadian reserves (was a corporal when I quit), had both voted and helped out elections during the past few elections.But the question of Taiwan does not pertain to Canada, this is why I never bought Canada up and I clearly do not understand why you bring it up now.
Btw, you do know English is the first language of Canada and most Canadians (other than Quebec and parts of N. Brunswick) don't speak French.
Thirdly, it seems your logic is like the CCP, when ppl do not agree with you, they are evil. Pretty much like your idol's logic; Dalai Lama do not cooperate CCP, so he must be evil. Yet, CCP itself is evil.
Let me be clear which type of ppl I despises; CCP supporter from the mainland that is living in the West telling ppl to embrace the CCP and said they support democracy while trash talking about the country they leeched off on. I can't get specific than that.
@Balencian And what's even more funny is: the one that judges doesn't even live in HK! In extra, you seem to be a homophobia by calling the mainlanders faggots! That makes you even more of a shitass! So now shut the fuck up!
Are you trying to reinforce my stance. There is a reason why I suggested Hong Kong is illegally occupied by the PRC and going downhill. This is also why i said earlier I understand why Taiwanese want Independence given the condition of HK. I have every right to judge because my home was destroyed by PRC incompetency and the selfishness of CCP supporters like you coming to HK to leech our welfare.
As I stated before, stop bringing every mainlanders into the topic, I was very specific at stating I hate CCP supporter from the mainland that is living in the West telling ppl to embrace the CCP and said they support democracy while trash talking about the country they leeched off on. I don't mind most mainlanders, but hypocritical ones like you, probably. Hating Nazis does not mean I hate every Germans, I don't think you understand this logic.
@Balencian Read back my first post or any messages I posted: Did I ever tell ppl to embrace CCP or how many times I have to tell you that I am not a CCP supporter? "I am hoping to see a unified Democratic China." You have nothing but hatred and I am not going to have any more debate with someone that doesn't even understand democracy and is talking about democracy! You are in the end just a piece of pissed shit, who has no logic!
Don't understand democracy? What is someone who could not accept different opinions got to say about Democracy?
No logic? you are the one not providing any pts/reasons to back up your opinions and trying to twist what I said in your favor.
Btw, CCP also says they uphold democracy? I am guessing you think the same. Democracy is more than just saying Democracy, the reasons why so many supposed "democratic" states fail s because they dont practice it at all. .
Btw, if you tell ppl not to embrace CCP, then why are you so against TW Independence? TW Independence is the only choice for TW if they want to perserve democracy becuz many in PRC (esp the heads of PRC) are even more paranoid than you. Or you are just like the fake mother in King's Solomon Story, if you are not given the baby, you would rather let it get killed than forfeit it. That is a CCP mentality, which you appears to support.
@Balencian Read again all the messages and try to understand or just go to Tian An Men or Zhong Nan Hai with a bomb to get all that angry shit out of you! That would help, damass!
I been to PRC, and I had clearly seen more about PRC and her people than "supposed patriotis" like you. Read my message again, I suggest PRC leave HK and TW alone, given they don't get along with each other. However, ppl like you feel like when anyone suggest such opinion, PRC need to nuke the shit out of them and cut off their food suppply? Who is angry, paranoid...? Or are you just intrinsically hypocritical and evil like a typical CCP member?
Last but not least, You gotta summerize your pts, you are puting random accusations here and there that I alrdy lost track. I had told you my reasons that I think HK/TW should given right for Independence based on the fact we alrdy made enough sacrifices for you pampered lot and that your lot are not rdy to make any. It is our choice and not yours, surely you guys can threatened us with missileheads but it just show barbaric your countrymen are.
And before anyone says china is a a strong growing economy , maybe help your own citizens first , stop asking red cross , we day , children's rights to donate money to you guys . A country at poverty shouldbe saving their own citizens instead of spending tons of money on a fucked up government. If u still need every country to donate money to you guys I don't think your economy is that strong .....
I find it funny how people think Taiwan is part of china ... Do u guys have the right to VOTE for your president ?! Do you guys have the Rights to even vote ? Why do you care who's our president ? It's not your country ... Maybe one day when you can vote and actually express your opinion OUT of the Internet and actually to your government we can talk about being the same country . Cos so far , our laws are different , we have rights , so Stfu ...
@Recout94 "Why do you care who's our president ? "
-ofc theyd care. they wouldnt want the dpp to win. a potential conflict could arise. similarly, that's why taiwan voted for Ma-for a peaceful and stable relationship. isn't it refreshing that ppl from both sides actually share a common interest? what's funny is how some taiwanese behave almost so arrogantly, when even in economics alone (another huge factor in the elections), taiwan needs the mainland.
Congrats, Ma! As a Chinese born and raised in Mainland, I really hope to see the Great China unified as the biggest democratic country in the world, which will mostly depends on the Mainland Chinese government, will be hard for them to perform a political change, but hope to see it one day!
It is hard for the mainland government to change because both the government and majority of the people are not willing to make any sacrifice while hoping Taiwanese to make all the sacrifices. Taiwanese would not reunited unless mainland gov or their citizens embraced democracy and make sacrifices-like properly behaved themselves in the public and stop eyeing Taiwan`s money as their own. Changing the simplified garbage back to Traditional writing would also help.
@Balencian You call "To Embrace Democracy" sacrifice? I agree that it is difficult for the Mainland government to give up their power, but what is the evidence that the majority of people from mainland are not for democracy? But how to embrace democracy is another question
As a Chinese born and raised in the mainland, I don't think I have worse behavior than you,wherever you are from, besides I don't judge or generalize people
You know what? I didn't use a penny of the money earned by the people of Taiwan
Garbage simplified Chinese? Someone that has no respect for the others,but labels him as a well-behaved, well-educated individual is garbage! By the way, I love traditional Chinese writing, I don't call it garbage and I am from mainland, where the people in your eyes don't behave well and the writing culture is garbage!
1) Firstly, Mao Zedong imposes his writing script on the Chinese in mainland through massacres in Cultural Revolution. I am simply suggesting reversing the change to make sure future generations know maniac won't get their way.
@Balencian Mao did destroy lots of culture and I personally never feel proud of him and what he did. You have the right to suggest and I have the right not to accept your suggestion......
2) Secondly, I never suggest violently imposes on* mainland to embrace traditional writing but just don't expected HK to embrace you lot whole heatedly or Taiwan to be unified because none of you are ready to make sacrifice. I wouldn't mind speaking mandarin replacing Cantonese but do not expect me to be brainwashed and write some garbage invented by a madman. The choice is mainland civilians but it seems many like you are not ready to make any sacrifices.
@Balencian I never accused you of suggesting in a violent way, but if Taiwan or HK won't be unified with mainland simply because we don't accept to change our writing script, this is stupid for me. In the meantime, we never ask you to write simplified Chinese. I guess this is more democratic. If you think simplified Chinese is garbage, Cantonese is less than garbage, you know what? I never even consider Cantonese as a language. Or if you did, there would be hundreds of languages
@Balencian in China. And based on that logic, I would have to tell you, when a Cantonese-speaking person asks: " Are you Cantonese speaking or Mandarian speaking?" This is arrogant and stupid. If you were able to speak Mandarian, you would be right away labeled as mainlander together with all other labels. You know what, I am able to speak Mandarian but I speak also my own language if you consider Cantonese as a language
3) Thirdly, if you don't know origins of simplified Chinese I don't blame you, but if you know it and continue to use it for convenience because you are too lazy to learn legit ones, don't talk about unification.
I would not be sure about not judging and generalizing people because everyone do that including myself and from this youtube convo you just did. I guess the problem with mainland Chinese are that they are quite hypocritical. yet not admitting it?
@Balencian I don't like Mao, but it doesn't mean that I will have to stop using simplified Chinese even if I would not mind using traditional Chinese. Besides, I am not asking you to stop writing traditional Chinese.If one day, I move to live in Taiwan or HK, I would be willing to write traditonal Chinese, this is a queston of respect. BTW, I speak 5 languages if you consider Cantonese as a language if you judge, based on the above, that I am lazy.
@Balencian Indeed, there are quite lots of those hypocritical ones in mainland, like elsewhere in the world. If you judge that I am hypocritical because of my different opinions, you are not any better. A hypocritical one as well!
Actually my great grandfather speak Hokkienese, I am surprised so many of your accusations based on very stupid assumptions (I.E just because I talk about Cantonese and mandarin, does that mean I don't know about other dialects).
It's all about image. Taiwan wouldn't give two shits about independence if PRC don't give two shits of reunification. It's like a pair of siblings trying to spite one another.
Taiwan has NEVER existed in history as an independent political entity on its own. Perhaps it was loose before the arrival of Chinese immigrants in the 1400s (who constitute 99% of Taiwan's population today). But then it was ruled by thousands of separate tribes (like mesoamerica) constantly battling each other and much of the island was uninhabited. The Dutch were the first to establish effective control along the coast followed by Koxinga (Ming Chinese) - Qing - Japan - ROC (today).
How can Taiwan call itself the "Republic of China" and then in the same sentence say "We are not Chinese; we are not part of China".
Yes, I agree it's not part of the People's Republic of China.
But I don't see where on Earth it's going with naming itself as it does and keeping the same languages, culture, and traditions of the mainland. It's like if the United States in 1776 called themselves the "Republic of Britain". Wtf??
@gobipill If you know anything about 'Taiwanese' people, you would know they are the most insecure and pretentious of perhaps all Asians when it comes to their 'so-called' identity. They try so hard to differentiate themselves amongst Chinese people, yet they use our language, celebrate nearly all our holidays e.g. Chinese new year, and share many of our traditions. Although they have their own indigenous culture, it is Chinese culture that is predominant in their society. (cont.)
Yet, you forgot Taiwan cannot itself the ``Republic of China`` because of a pampered government across the sea telling other countries not to admit the fact there is two existing Chinese regimes.
Personally, i blamed the rising Taiwanese Independence movement on PRC and many mainland citizens who support PRC ridiculous policies overseas, like keep on telling Taiwanese they are part of them. It is like telling S.koreans, they belonged to the Kims and N.korea.
and yet we know only PRC and N.Korea point missles at their brothers and only their supporters advocate massacring the other side and leeching off welfare off democratic states while supporting the other side. I personally have quite a few koreans, many of them want to keep it seperate to save their own economy, they agreed maybe someday they need to be unify but unless the communists educated themselves, we cannot be unify.
@Balencian is it brotherly to want to gain independence??? mainlanders advocate massacring? you're definitely a sheep to whatever's feeding you. why would they like it when Ma won? so that they can have peace, before starting a war?? your bias gives you delusions. i bet you really hate that taiwan, the people, were the ones who voted for this. and you might think it's rigged.
now n. korea might leech off some welfare from the U.S, but the U.S is now definitely leeching welfare from China lol.
When two brothers do not get along one another, it is better to split the fortune then to kill each other for it, this is the reasoning for Independence. PRC want to spill kin blood while HK and TW is avoiding it. Btw, who is the sheep? You think Ma won meaning PRC won? There are many reasons to vote for Ma other than his PRC policies, for instance, some deep green politicians want to pardon Chen, that is a huge blow to neutral supporters.
@Balencian anything related with chen shui bian can ultimately lead back to the topic of cross strait relations. in fact, any party in taiwan actually, since it's obviously a big factor. chen's corruption just showed that he did nothing but use the cross-strait relations as a tool for his campaign. and nothing really fruitful, even in his own philosophy of independence, came through.
I love how you think US is leeching welfare off China, especially you are one of those CCP supporter leeching off a Western Country while supporting the PRC/CCP. BTW, PRC support USA financially because USA cannot fall because if they does, so goes all the money they lend to the USA and the business deals they made. Do not act like a Saint, PRC had not contribute a single thing to the world whole heartedly. If it is not for HK or Taiwan, China would be a cancer.
@Balencian oh yes the U.S most definitely are. that's why geithner and clinton went there a few years back, to beg.
im not a ccp supporter, but to you, anyone who likes china is a ccp supporter. and speak for yourself, where do you live? who's a proud canadian? according to your logic, you're leeching off a western country too.
like you said, china is keeping it's economy, the US, and in fact, the world's financial state stable. that's a contribution, now isn't it?
@ThePeeBottle another contribution would be lifting over 300 million people out of poverty (a world record), with little wealth, (due to the fact that the kmt took most of china's wealth to taiwan), in a large country (not some small colony controlled by foreigners), and without sucking up to the americans or the british (unlike some people.....).
-another contribution would be lifting over 300 million people out of poverty (a world record), with little wealth.
PRC's GDP per capita is lower than many African nations, lifting million of corrupted party official nad merchants to be some of the richest men on earth with the rest of countries living like a serfs is not an accomplishment, it is called blasphemy.
@Balencian gdp per capita? ofc it'd be low. theres over a billion people there. and they STILL lifted over 300M, and counting. what's a blasphemy is comparing the wrong things. there are democratic nations in africa, or in asia, that still have people starve to death, while there isn't any in china.
lol gdp per capita. even mentioning that is like a cop-out. of course places like HK and TW have higher gdp per capita: smaller population, using china as cheap labour. be proud.
there is something called pseudo-democracy, calling themselves democracy yet not practice any. Tell me which democratic nations is starving their people to death, please don't bring countries like India where if you are certain caste or cultural background you cannot vote.
lol, according to your logic, smaller population=higher gdp per capita, then it is completely logical we split the country apart into pieces.
@Balencian why cant i bring countries like india? is very comparable. they have a lot of people, but theyre just a democracy. and they do suffer from famine. so why cant i bring that up? you compared china's gdp with that of an african nation, which is more of an outrageous comparison. what difference would my point be if i used democractic republic of congo's famine? i would have still proved you wrong.
#1 Just like PRC is not a true communistic state, India is not a true democratic state. If not all registered citizens can vote, how can it be demos cracy (people rule). And i stated my reasons before, now I repeated, if you still want to be blind, go on, cant help.
Democratic Republic of Congo, maybe you should use democratic people's republic of korea? It is even a better example!
@Balencian that's what im telling you. what's your whole point of bringing up the gdp per capita in africa comparison when you wont even bother comparing any other country to china that has a worse record, be it democracy or not. you used wrong comparisons to start of, then when i replied, my fake-commie vs fake-democracy somehow isnt a fair comparison, when it most definitely is.
you cant deny that piece of contribution by the prc.
Do you even understand how faulty your piece of contribution of PRC is. Even at the time of Chiang Kai Shek, areas under Chiang's control have many rich official and merchants before Japan invades...0_-. So are you suggesting CCP and PRC is a completley ptless creation. Feeding yourself fat through expense of others is not called contribution, it is called selfishness. That is what I am pointing at, and only hypocritical states feel proud of these things.
@Balencian under chiang's control, chinese people starved, no different than mao's era, with the exception that there were no warlords, and foreign colonists during mao's time (except HK).
im talking about lifting people out of poverty, and stablising the world economy, and your talking about corrupted ppl who feeds them self fat. see, that's what i mean you go off-topic.
HK and TW is known for having success through business using china's cheap labor. are you proud of that?
lol, during Chiang's control, people starved because there are warlords, foreign invaders, and COMMUNISTS bandits raiding the land under Mao Zedong. During Mao's control, people starved while there are no warlords, no foreign invaders, and no NATIONALSITS bandits raiding the land.
I understand why Chiang fails, but Mao fails in easy mode, and you called that SUCCESSFUL RULE?
@Balencian when did i call mao having a "successful rule", when i even just compared him to deaths of starvation, just like under chiang? you seriously need to stop listening to that delusional head of yours.
lol, you called it a contribution, to you there is a difference??? Btw, as I stated in my rebuke about Chiang and Mao before, you got anything to add about your argument that they are equal or you just give up trying to suggest they are the same?
I agreed siding with either one is retard (finally we met a mutual conclusion here). Btw, I sounds to like chiang but I am just saying Chiang is the lesser evil. It is like you asking me whether I want a flu or cancer, I prefer a flu. One of the few modern Chinese leader (only a handful to choose from) I respected is Dr. Sun Yat Sen.
@Balencian yes, dr sun is the only modern chinese leader i really like. and he did not advocate separatism at all. i like him, because i prefer neither a flu or cancer.
And if Dr. Sun did go beyond that united China ideology, he would not have died with his dreams unfulfilled. Sun Should have just kept south of China and build up the army and economy and save talks of unification until his state is strong enough. Wishing too much is his downfall.
@Balencian he was just basing in the south because, not only was he from there, the qing power was in the north. it was never too much wishing. lol, you're a disgrace to even say you respect him when you dont even know his will.
The Qing power was in nowhere, who is in the North, Northern Warlords.
Again with the hypocrisy. His main will is to bring about three principles of men, not about nationalism. He was aware of ethnic crisis (Manchus were massacred in masses) stemmed from the breakup of Qing, that is why he proposed uniting China, however he overextended himself, not knowing most in China were selfish and treat provinces as their own monopoly.
1) Minzu commonly rendered as "nationalism", yet literally "Populism"; by this, Sun meant freedom of the people.
2) democracy (agreed)
3) welfare (agreed); I actually believed in socialism, just not the CCP or Stalin variant of it.
I respect Sun Yat Sen, does not mean I had to worship him as God and foolhardy follow everything he states. If I do so, I am not respecting, I am idolizing him, and this will make me no diff from Mao and Chiang's worshippers.
No, but you are speaking as if not taking every word from Sun to action even though it is contradictory is blasphemy. If uyghurs and Tibetans want Independence, why not let them? If a small country will do a greater good, why keep a big country and let people starved? Sun could not see through those boundaries, and that is why ROC did not achieved democracy and modernize quick enough against Japan.
@Balencian you idolize japan too huh? well, how come they wont let the ainu and okinawans gain their independence. so please, dont even bother going there.
"most in China were selfish and treat provinces as their own monopoly."
-Are you saying the warlords in China are not selfish??? Warlords like Yan Xishan, Yuan Shikai literally sell pieces of land to foreigners. I would also called Mao a warlord, because during ww2, instead of fighitng the Japs, he was killing Chinese in Yan'an. Mao had been recorded to stated, count every non-communist we killed as a Jap we killed.
@Balencian i didnt say the warlords were selfish. im saying how are independence-advocates like you different from them, when they wanted a specific area under their own monopoly.
btw, sun yat sen's vision was also removing warlordism. it wasnt far fetched to envision.
The different is clear, I support independence to serve a greater good, while they want to be independent so they can be a fucken warlord to serve themselves, in fact this is CCP's logic, enslaved the masses for ourselves. Hk is rdy for democracy, if mainland is not rdy, let us seceded, and if you believed we are brothers, when you catch up, we will reunited, yet you guys don't have the confidence.
And you know when Hk declared Independence, PRC is in chaos. I would not be surprised many CCP "supposed patriots" turn to warlords and bow down to Hk money.
You know one interesting thing when you accuse us for our success. We were ardy Asian tigers when PRC is still locked up. In fact, it is our investment that made PRC rise not the other way around. Without Hk and Taiwan, PRC will still be a fourth world country as Mao Zedong left it be with not intellectuals and money.
@Balencian im not denying that hk and tw were already economic tigers. as i implied before, they had a good start, esp with a small population.
but the fact that you admit that hk and tw used china's cheap labor to progress shows your hypocrisy. you talk badly about people feeding themselves fat at the expense of horrible treatment of workers, yet the truth is that your pride of HK was built uponn that exact basis, being mentored by the UK.
And yes to PRC supporters, Japan, TW, S.K and HK are all sucking to the West. They is why we can created so many films mocking the Westerners actions in the East in the past decades, they is why we treat each other as equal and learn from each other with respect. Hilariously, those are all things that PRC suppoerters do not dare to do, who is the suckers, heavens know.
@Balencian lol, i have how you go off-topic. now you're into movies. and now you're including japan and s. korea (who have US bases). of course you're sucking up. that's why westerners like you more. you're good lap dogs, just like the olden days.
but who's the one who the west is always antagonizing? that's right, china. the one who won't follow their orders politically, militarily, or even economically.
lol, PRC is an asshole, this is why everyone hates them. Tell me one state like PRC whole heartedly, not because they like PRC investment. According to your logic, all your friends are people you suck up to, that is why they became your friends. I love the CCP logic.
I guess one that do not respect others, never understand or get respect.
Firstly, Canada (who even had a Hk governor), Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, Vietnam and Taiwan (many of them like our kungfu movies), USA, UK (formal mentor that bought us to glory) and the list just go on. You will be fucken surprised, many ppl hate Chinese from mainalnd, but when you say you are from HK, their attitude change completely.
Now, you think Pakistan and Serbia is your friend, or you guys are just working together for Military* interest?
@Balencian lol movies? your alliance are bounded through movies? are you for real? that's even worse than being "friends" through investment. the reason why i said it's a trick question because most, if not, all of the countries you mentioned are bound to HK through some sort of investment or business. that's the miracle of HK. but sadly, you dont consider that true friendship, since that what you implied to "friends of the prc".
Let us put it that way, ever wonder why it is so much easier for Hkers to immigrate while so hard for PRcers to immigrate? or to get a visas? I am guessing they like your money but do not like you there in person. 0_-
@Balencian no, it's because you were part of the commonwealth. and i'm sure you living in canada, youd know that there are more and more mainlanders being accepted there ;)
Lol, super fun times really. That is why Hkers are keeping a distance from them. You cannot even get to a chinese supermarket now without getting your car scratch or spot stolen by these powerful ppl. And all my foreign friends (well actually even Hkers) when entering a chinese mall, all would have bitch about rude mainlanders at least once.
@ThePeeBottle Most PRC supporters in HK today are those ppl that use China's cheap labor, if they are not recent immigrants of PRC. And as I stated before, we build ourselves up and we sent money to help you, so stop saying we owe you anything.
@Balencian hk and tw economies were based on the spoils of having cheap labour. so it's not just "some prc supporters in hk (or tw)", because its the bulk of their economy.
Are you sure? HK's economy is fun on finance and service not manufacturing, and I am not really confident in using cheap labor as bankers. You can called Hkers blood (money)sucking vampires, but saying our city-state as building upon sweatshops is just idiocy.
@Balencian i didnt say hk built sweatshops, but theyre using prc cheap labourer and sweatshops in the mainland.
just because its not happening in hk, doesnt mean you can wash your hands clean. see, that's the kind of attitude im talking about. pretending to give a fuck about rights and freedoms.
Let put it this way, Hong Kong and Taiwan hated mainland China, either you like it or not. It is not really something we can decided. Afterall even if most Hkers hated mainind, independence short term is an illusion.
@Balencian speaking of being part of the commonwealth, HK wasnt even in the same status as canada or australia. in the eyes of the british (your mentors), you were nothing but chinamen who werent good enough to be british citizens. you were made into a second-class citizen in your own city. i love the fact that you see them as your mentor.
you probably didnt know that the popularity of the fenqing was a HK phenomena.
lol, we are second class citizen? At one time, yes, but after ww2, Hkers enjoy much freedom, at least better than today HKSAR, and that is why we think PRC FAILED in every aspects. Btw, Fengqing modern usage is a PRC phenomenam, generally referring to mainland idiots that hate Japan so much they beat ppl wearing hanfu (mistakening them as kimono), yet you mainlanders love to rub it on Hkers for standing up for justice against PRC tyranny.
@Balencian nope, the 2nd class citizen status continued up until the handover in 1997. hkers werent good enough to be british. you know thats the truth.
in modern usage, fenqing can mean anything you think it is. but you know i was talking about the origins of it, of how it got popular. and it was hkers standing up for the injustice of the UK.
Not really? Why do you think I get hurt? And as you said, FQ can mean anything you think it is? So why bother???
And just keep on telling Hkers as secondary citizen status, they are so secondary that they want Britain to return? So why stop us from fucking ourselves over? Or you just want to admit PRC's rule is even worse than CCP first class rule???
@Balencian where did i say i never been to prc? i wasnt educated there, nor was i born there. but ive been there. like i said, airplanes! have you heard of them?
you talk as if you know about the prc, does that mean you were educated there? on the other hand, you dont know the prc. but that's just lack of education.
I read and educated myself. I used to believed PRC is redeemable, not listening to elders advices (teachers, professors, parents) and one of my teacher had CCP connections so he hook me into a program to help teach kids in Yunnan, and that is how I noticed there is nothing good about the regime and what we see on TV and big city is a big illusion. Btw, I also been to Japan and Korea, and be honest, there is much to learn even for HK especially from japan.
I am an arrogant city slicker, alright. I can stand the Canadian wilds, I love Hiking btw, don't mind big dogs but in PRC, it is a different story, you are facing assholes that want to do ppl harm and do have the intellect to do so, It is like a zombie Apocalypse with zombies that have brains. Btw, for someone calling ppl city slicker, you should proud that you never been to PRC' s countryside.
@Balencian didnt i tell you in i saw new schoold being built in the outskirts? my relatives are actually living in the out skirts, not in that island youre thinking about.
TAIWAN IS CHINA TRAITOR
TAIWAN RUNS BY UNEDUCATED POLITICIANS BITCH SLAPPIN EACH OTHER, A PURPOSE TO SATISFIED MOBSTERS.
fuckusamutts 1 week ago
I want the Republic of China to exist on Mainland China and Taiwan once again, that will make the world a Peaceful place because America will have Dominance and hence no one is prepared to challenge and cause unpeaceful wars.
owen82100 1 month ago
@owen82100
Watch!! Anglosaxon Mission!!!! U will catch cold!!!
LovefuckChinkcunt 1 month ago
两岸友好 ：-）
SpartanKratos001 1 month ago
When the 2 sides unite someday, Ma could be elected as the President of China since the people from both sides of the strait like him. I would be glad to see that too.
yzhang2008 1 month ago
if Taiwan belongs 2 China
there won't be any election in Taiwan
an duh....in fact
China belongs 2 Taiwan LOL
DarkDiDi 1 month ago
@DarkDiDi
Communist China supporters are always masturbating about uniting Taiwan. Not knowing, they would not even get HK without a fight if UK did not betray us in the first place. I don't think Taiwanese are idiots, someone who always want other to make sacrifices for their own convenient, and resort to violence to get their way do not deserve to be a leader, viva Independence of Taiwan or ROC takeover, the choice is Taiwanese to make.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Oh oh, you poor guys!! The poor ones abandoned by the UK, I am blaming the UK, how could you treat your colonised people without loyalty? I am blaming the Chinese government, why did you pick up those abandoned ones?
BTW, I am not pro-communist China
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
It does not matter what you say but how you act. I see plenty mainlanders who said they hated Communist China, but the way they act tell me they had been brainwashed (or corrupted, can't even find a word for it) by Mao during the cultural revolution. Whether TW go Independence, it is their choice, whehter HK like to be reunited, it is our choice, if you can't understand that, than you are no better than the Fqing trolling for CCP.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Once again, you can hate Communist Party, but there is absolutely nothing to do with the people living there and stop generalising people with judgement! (I noticed that I am not the only one who has this opinion on you), this could only make you sound stupid and ridiculous! It's indeed the people who decide to go independence or not in a real democratic society, I am talking about TW, as the political status of HK is afterall not the same at all.
allentang0405 1 month ago
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@allentang0405
It's useless and a waste of time to debate with a stubborn stone like Balencian!
-Eh, then why are you trying to start another useless and a waste of time debate with me again. Hypocrisy runs deep in CCP supporters' blood? (And are you trying to reinforce my generalization; btw i am generalizing, I am observing a trend amongst supporters of a completely criminal party that asks others to sacrifice to benefit themselves).
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Never said HK and TW political status is the same but the hate of PRC supporters is universal amongst the world's intellect and righteous people. And before calling me bias, or calling me not understanding PRC, look at yourselves, you guys supported PRC but would admit you are from mainland, lived in luxury in the West while your countrymen are oppressed (I am not a mainlander but at least I helped out in PRC), I don't think you two have any rights to praise PRC.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian The people of TW had the chance to choose their leader, where this will bring them to is another question. I am happy for them. You know what? I am not going to have an endless debate with you, but I would still repeat my first post that attracted your attention:
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
One more thing, if you support PRC's policies or think they are better than USA or that Taiwan should united with mainland, you should NOT EVEN been on youtube in the first place. PRC banned it, you guys have your censored version called youku (a pirated ver of youtube). It is so easy for trashes to step on other's freedom while leeching off others' successes? This is the logic of Mao and PRC supporters, if being objective is bias, then called me bias if you will.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian As a Chinese born and raised in the mainland, I would love to see a unified China that will be the biggest democratic country in the world.
And again, be humble! It's not the fact that you are from HK makes you more educated, superior to the mainlanders, stop generalising people with labels, judgements.....That only makes you ridiculous! Good luck and grow up!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Firstly, you said I am generalizing ppl from mainland, noted everytime I said, CCP supporter from mainland, I bare no grudge against general mainlanders, but I do have extreme grudge against mainlanders who have the fortune to escape from CCP's jaws but still support CCP for their personal gain or pride.
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Secondly I never said anything being from HK made me more educated/superior to mainlanders, but as someone who helped out in PRC, been to rural China. I think I have more rights to speak than ppl who lived their whole live in coastal cities in PRC, escaped to the US about the dam situation there. Ppl like you really sickens me, once you have good life, you don't care about others' sufferings, if you support democracy, you would not have support CCP to begin with.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Ok last clarification:
- First: my background: Chinese nationality, born and raised in the mainland, but have been travelling a lot, great experiences that have brought me a lot. To to be able to see the world and people in different ways. If you never even lived in China, you would not understand the mainland and its people better than me, did you actually even ever live in HK?
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian - Second: Check my first post that attracted all your judgement, I said: " As a Chinese born and raised in the mainland, I would like to see a unified DEMOCRATIC China" and I even pointed out that it would be difficult for the CCP to give up their power.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian A: This is a wish and did you find a word in my post that I support CCP to lead the unified China? Did I propose a single missile pointing at TW? (I am not saying HK, as it's already hald-united with the mainland officially despite different point of views on its status, but once again, Beijing's policies being good or bad, this is CCP of which I never said I was a supporter,
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian stop accusing me of a CCP supporter, moreover, don't assume that I am a CCP supporter who lives and steals the money of the West, by saying that, you are just making yourself a 100% fool)
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian B: Did I ever say I am against your opinion about the independence of TW and HK? I even agreed that it should be the choice of the people to decide in a real democratic society and it's the case in TW, Mr Ma was elected by the people of TW, being pro-mainland or pro-independence and this is the system I would like to see in a unified democratic China, AM I NOT BEING DEMOCRATIC? Read before you judge and JUDGE WITH SENSE
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian C: Why Judge with sense? All the stupid generalized judgement you put about the mainlanders with labels don't make any fucking sense, we are not well-behaved, we are hypocritical, we eye the money of TW and even consider mainlanders as a bunch of FAGGOTS......
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian I think a really well-educated individual would not attack by generalizing people as FAGGOTS, you live in an English-speaking country, you know perfectly what it means. At the end, I am just looking at you as trash with no education! BTW, I am gay, have a problem?
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Alright, if you are really gay, I am sorry for using that term. Yet, if you lived in an English speaking country, you do know Faggot is used mainly as a slur? But since you are gay, I will apologize anyways.
Btw, as i continue to stated, I am against a specific group of people from mainland, which you seems to be very offended. Tell me why do you sympathize with CCP supporter that tell others to embrace CCP when they themselves are not there???
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian D: Stick to your judgement, after all your judgement on the mainlanders, you said: "I have no problem with mainlanders"
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405 (Pt. 3)
Q: Did I ever say I am against your opinion about the independence of TW and HK?
A: Then why did you argue against me in the 1st place?
Q: "all your judgement on the mainlanders"
A: I specific again and again, I am against a certain group, and those are the CCP supporter from the mainland operating in the West. You do know you are the one saying I am generalizing all Chinese from mainland, yet I am only attacking a specific group.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian E: After all, you are just a narrow-minded guy, again be humble and wise. And save your arrogance and attitude for yourself. Or IF you are really Canadian, do you actually vote and care about the politics in your own country? If you don't even have the nationality of HK, don't call it your country (I am using "IF") Judgements from someone who doesn't even live there won't make so much of sense to me.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405 (PT 4)
Q: Judgements from someone who doesn't even live there won't make so much of sense to me.
A: A paradox, according to your logic, why did we even argue about Taiwan in the first place (As for you, why HK)? It seems like you are just jumping into conclusions as it fits you without thinking how it might damage your own stance as well.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian 1: In a democratic country, everybody has the right to speak out his opinion, even if the opinions could be very different from one another. For example, we might have the below opinions on TW, HK and Maniland issue
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian A: You are probably for the independence of TW and HK
B: I am neither for TW/HK independence nor Pro-CCP
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian C: Someone else that is Pro-CCP mostly for the below reasons I guess: They see a progressing CCP ecomonically and democratically. CCP has helped a mass population get out of poverty, made Mainland the second largest economy from a poor and weak nation, the gradually built welfare and medical system from which they benefit.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian They see the democratic changes inside CCP, even if they think it's slow.(From the time of Mao to what it's like now, it's indeed a huge change) Besides, they look at mainland in a different way, a huge nation with very weak basis. Well, in a word, they see a CCP in progress, that brings them hope and confidence. I personally partially agree with them, even if I am not pro-CCP
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian Of course, you have loads of other voices, but my point is: we all have the right to speak out our voices, this is democracy. But the situation is we are neither democratic or united. It's my wish to see a unified democratic China. That's what my first post was about. You are maybe for independence of TW/HK, that's your opinion.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian 2: I didn't even know where you are from in the first place until I read your exchanged messages with others. Indeed, I was a bit offended by your insults on the mainlanders, especially your earlier judgement were quite generalised. (Now you say it's for a specific group of people) It is just so stupid for someone to judge the people of a country, which you never even lived in. Don't change again now you are specific to the pro- CCP Chinese living in the West of mainland origin.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian Besides, someone that doesn't behave well is a question of education, nothing to do with his political view, he is Pro-CCP, it doesn't make him a worse individual than someone that is Pro HK/TW independence; Or someone like me that is hoping a Unified China with a democratic system from the mainland is not necessarily inferior to a so-called HKer or a Canadian of HKer origin, which again origins from the mainland.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405 (PT. 1)
1. It does have do with political view. Why I am against mainlanders in the West advocating for CCP is because if they are in the West, they obviously don't like their home ran by CCP, so what is your intention in bringing something you don't like over? This is a growing trend in the West, and a grave problem in HK.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Well, in the first messages, you didn't mention anything about the mainlanders in the West, nor the mainlanders pro-ccp but mainlanders in geneal and after you limit the group you attack again and again. So better make your point more clear in the first place. Moreover, you even have Chinese immigrants from HK/TW in the west that support CCP. I would not generalise the reason people leave their country coz they don't like it, might be for many reasons like for a better life
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian This is a quite complicated issue, but there might be a misunderstanding between CCP and China. CCP for me doesn't equal China. I am not goin to comment much on this, as it's a question of race pride, integration......
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405 (PT. 2)
2. For democracy to work, you need participants to respect the democratic system for it works. Yet, there is a limit, I am afraid I am not a libertarian as I do not believed people who want to use democracy to bring about dictatorship deserves democracy. I personally do not mind different voices in a debate about democracy, but if you are supporting a dictatorship like CCP, I will respect your cultural difference and debate with you in a CCP tone.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Your opinions are mostly based on what CCP did in the past, but none of your messages recognised the achievement they have made, it was them that killed his own citizens, it was also them that has got a mass population out of poverty, developped mainland..... We do have cultural dfference, you grew up in the west, I grew up in China and I know the country and people better than you. Can you write and read in Chinese? If so, do you read things from different medias?
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian That helps! We all would be less brainwashed, I don't believe in a single country doesn't brainwash people.....
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
3. Someone that does not behave ell is a question of education. I agreed and that is the main problem of PRC. The cultural revolution had kill off one generation of scholars and their education today is still very primitive in its moral/civil aspect.
4. Just because I bashed CCP supporters from mainland in the West, does not mean I suggest superiority of certain race. This is why I said you were assuming*. Especially given the fact I repeat it time to time.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian You are absolutely right about the moral/civil aspect and this is now being debated a lot there. The biggest problem for me in PRC is JUSTICE and CORRUPTION. And this for me mainly results from the one-party ruling fact and of course education, but Rome was not built in one day! I grew up in a poor family, I personally don't get along with the rich and hate those who use the money of the others
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian I think one of the biggest differences between us is:You only have hatred, because you were neither born nor grew up in PRC, but I did. You don't call that place "home" but I do, as it's my home, I wouldn't quit it but hope to see it get better
And finally if people from HK/TW and mainland really don't get along, and the majority of ppl there really prefer to be independent, for me, no point to stay together either.
To hv unified democratic China is just my wish,that's t
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
1) You probably is right, I was never born nor grew up in PRC, hence I do not understand what you guys been through, and all I seen is the damage PRC done to my home. Hence to save my own house, I prefer to cut ties than trying to save some relatives I am not even so close or know.
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
2) I did look at their (CCP) achievement but their program is so much like Chiang, let a few get richer and let the mass live in poverty (one my grandma actually benefit from this era before ww2 and after the northern expedition). Moreover, i see nothing good from Mao Zedong. Hence, I questioned with is the point of the civil war and the cultural revolution, other than doing irrepairable dmg on Chinese morality, culture and lives.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Well,this time, I am really going to stop the debate, this is just going to be endless, good luck
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
3) Yes, let's end it this way before the debate became heated up again. And same goes with you, good luck.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian D: Or you still have so much hatred, like I suggested, go to Tian An Men or Zhong Nan Hai with a bomb to get all that angry shit out of you, that might make you a better individual!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian Voila, c'est mes points, tu les as bien compris ou pas, ça ne va pas changer le fait que tu es un connard de premier sans éducation, j'espere que tu parles le français comme le Canada est ton pays!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Firstly, I served in the Canadian reserves (was a corporal when I quit), had both voted and helped out elections during the past few elections.But the question of Taiwan does not pertain to Canada, this is why I never bought Canada up and I clearly do not understand why you bring it up now.
Btw, you do know English is the first language of Canada and most Canadians (other than Quebec and parts of N. Brunswick) don't speak French.
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Thirdly, it seems your logic is like the CCP, when ppl do not agree with you, they are evil. Pretty much like your idol's logic; Dalai Lama do not cooperate CCP, so he must be evil. Yet, CCP itself is evil.
Let me be clear which type of ppl I despises; CCP supporter from the mainland that is living in the West telling ppl to embrace the CCP and said they support democracy while trash talking about the country they leeched off on. I can't get specific than that.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian And what's even more funny is: the one that judges doesn't even live in HK! In extra, you seem to be a homophobia by calling the mainlanders faggots! That makes you even more of a shitass! So now shut the fuck up!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Are you trying to reinforce my stance. There is a reason why I suggested Hong Kong is illegally occupied by the PRC and going downhill. This is also why i said earlier I understand why Taiwanese want Independence given the condition of HK. I have every right to judge because my home was destroyed by PRC incompetency and the selfishness of CCP supporters like you coming to HK to leech our welfare.
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
As I stated before, stop bringing every mainlanders into the topic, I was very specific at stating I hate CCP supporter from the mainland that is living in the West telling ppl to embrace the CCP and said they support democracy while trash talking about the country they leeched off on. I don't mind most mainlanders, but hypocritical ones like you, probably. Hating Nazis does not mean I hate every Germans, I don't think you understand this logic.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Read back my first post or any messages I posted: Did I ever tell ppl to embrace CCP or how many times I have to tell you that I am not a CCP supporter? "I am hoping to see a unified Democratic China." You have nothing but hatred and I am not going to have any more debate with someone that doesn't even understand democracy and is talking about democracy! You are in the end just a piece of pissed shit, who has no logic!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Don't understand democracy? What is someone who could not accept different opinions got to say about Democracy?
No logic? you are the one not providing any pts/reasons to back up your opinions and trying to twist what I said in your favor.
Btw, CCP also says they uphold democracy? I am guessing you think the same. Democracy is more than just saying Democracy, the reasons why so many supposed "democratic" states fail s because they dont practice it at all. .
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Btw, if you tell ppl not to embrace CCP, then why are you so against TW Independence? TW Independence is the only choice for TW if they want to perserve democracy becuz many in PRC (esp the heads of PRC) are even more paranoid than you. Or you are just like the fake mother in King's Solomon Story, if you are not given the baby, you would rather let it get killed than forfeit it. That is a CCP mentality, which you appears to support.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Read again all the messages and try to understand or just go to Tian An Men or Zhong Nan Hai with a bomb to get all that angry shit out of you! That would help, damass!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
I been to PRC, and I had clearly seen more about PRC and her people than "supposed patriotis" like you. Read my message again, I suggest PRC leave HK and TW alone, given they don't get along with each other. However, ppl like you feel like when anyone suggest such opinion, PRC need to nuke the shit out of them and cut off their food suppply? Who is angry, paranoid...? Or are you just intrinsically hypocritical and evil like a typical CCP member?
Balencian 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Last but not least, You gotta summerize your pts, you are puting random accusations here and there that I alrdy lost track. I had told you my reasons that I think HK/TW should given right for Independence based on the fact we alrdy made enough sacrifices for you pampered lot and that your lot are not rdy to make any. It is our choice and not yours, surely you guys can threatened us with missileheads but it just show barbaric your countrymen are.
Balencian 1 month ago
Taiwan belongs 2 China mother fuckers.
DragonOfQin 1 month ago
And before anyone says china is a a strong growing economy , maybe help your own citizens first , stop asking red cross , we day , children's rights to donate money to you guys . A country at poverty shouldbe saving their own citizens instead of spending tons of money on a fucked up government. If u still need every country to donate money to you guys I don't think your economy is that strong .....
Recout94 1 month ago
I find it funny how people think Taiwan is part of china ... Do u guys have the right to VOTE for your president ?! Do you guys have the Rights to even vote ? Why do you care who's our president ? It's not your country ... Maybe one day when you can vote and actually express your opinion OUT of the Internet and actually to your government we can talk about being the same country . Cos so far , our laws are different , we have rights , so Stfu ...
Recout94 1 month ago
@Recout94 "Why do you care who's our president ? "
-ofc theyd care. they wouldnt want the dpp to win. a potential conflict could arise. similarly, that's why taiwan voted for Ma-for a peaceful and stable relationship. isn't it refreshing that ppl from both sides actually share a common interest? what's funny is how some taiwanese behave almost so arrogantly, when even in economics alone (another huge factor in the elections), taiwan needs the mainland.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
Congrats, Ma! As a Chinese born and raised in Mainland, I really hope to see the Great China unified as the biggest democratic country in the world, which will mostly depends on the Mainland Chinese government, will be hard for them to perform a political change, but hope to see it one day!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
It is hard for the mainland government to change because both the government and majority of the people are not willing to make any sacrifice while hoping Taiwanese to make all the sacrifices. Taiwanese would not reunited unless mainland gov or their citizens embraced democracy and make sacrifices-like properly behaved themselves in the public and stop eyeing Taiwan`s money as their own. Changing the simplified garbage back to Traditional writing would also help.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian You call "To Embrace Democracy" sacrifice? I agree that it is difficult for the Mainland government to give up their power, but what is the evidence that the majority of people from mainland are not for democracy? But how to embrace democracy is another question
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian
As a Chinese born and raised in the mainland, I don't think I have worse behavior than you,wherever you are from, besides I don't judge or generalize people
You know what? I didn't use a penny of the money earned by the people of Taiwan
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian
Garbage simplified Chinese? Someone that has no respect for the others,but labels him as a well-behaved, well-educated individual is garbage! By the way, I love traditional Chinese writing, I don't call it garbage and I am from mainland, where the people in your eyes don't behave well and the writing culture is garbage!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian I guess now it's clear to see:
- Who doesn't embrace democracy (someone that imposes his writing script on another is talking about democracy?)
- Who is the one that is rubbish with judgement, attitude and no respect
Be humble and grow! POINT!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
1) Firstly, Mao Zedong imposes his writing script on the Chinese in mainland through massacres in Cultural Revolution. I am simply suggesting reversing the change to make sure future generations know maniac won't get their way.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Mao did destroy lots of culture and I personally never feel proud of him and what he did. You have the right to suggest and I have the right not to accept your suggestion......
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
2) Secondly, I never suggest violently imposes on* mainland to embrace traditional writing but just don't expected HK to embrace you lot whole heatedly or Taiwan to be unified because none of you are ready to make sacrifice. I wouldn't mind speaking mandarin replacing Cantonese but do not expect me to be brainwashed and write some garbage invented by a madman. The choice is mainland civilians but it seems many like you are not ready to make any sacrifices.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian I never accused you of suggesting in a violent way, but if Taiwan or HK won't be unified with mainland simply because we don't accept to change our writing script, this is stupid for me. In the meantime, we never ask you to write simplified Chinese. I guess this is more democratic. If you think simplified Chinese is garbage, Cantonese is less than garbage, you know what? I never even consider Cantonese as a language. Or if you did, there would be hundreds of languages
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian in China. And based on that logic, I would have to tell you, when a Cantonese-speaking person asks: " Are you Cantonese speaking or Mandarian speaking?" This is arrogant and stupid. If you were able to speak Mandarian, you would be right away labeled as mainlander together with all other labels. You know what, I am able to speak Mandarian but I speak also my own language if you consider Cantonese as a language
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian For God's sake, there are not only Cantonese and Mandarian.....
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
3) Thirdly, if you don't know origins of simplified Chinese I don't blame you, but if you know it and continue to use it for convenience because you are too lazy to learn legit ones, don't talk about unification.
I would not be sure about not judging and generalizing people because everyone do that including myself and from this youtube convo you just did. I guess the problem with mainland Chinese are that they are quite hypocritical. yet not admitting it?
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian I don't like Mao, but it doesn't mean that I will have to stop using simplified Chinese even if I would not mind using traditional Chinese. Besides, I am not asking you to stop writing traditional Chinese.If one day, I move to live in Taiwan or HK, I would be willing to write traditonal Chinese, this is a queston of respect. BTW, I speak 5 languages if you consider Cantonese as a language if you judge, based on the above, that I am lazy.
allentang0405 1 month ago
@Balencian Indeed, there are quite lots of those hypocritical ones in mainland, like elsewhere in the world. If you judge that I am hypocritical because of my different opinions, you are not any better. A hypocritical one as well!
allentang0405 1 month ago
@allentang0405
Actually my great grandfather speak Hokkienese, I am surprised so many of your accusations based on very stupid assumptions (I.E just because I talk about Cantonese and mandarin, does that mean I don't know about other dialects).
Balencian 1 month ago
It's all about image. Taiwan wouldn't give two shits about independence if PRC don't give two shits of reunification. It's like a pair of siblings trying to spite one another.
nioor 1 month ago
99% of Taiwanese today are descendants of Chinese immigrants. This is in comparison to 26% of Americans being British descendants.
palladiomc 1 month ago
Taiwan has NEVER existed in history as an independent political entity on its own. Perhaps it was loose before the arrival of Chinese immigrants in the 1400s (who constitute 99% of Taiwan's population today). But then it was ruled by thousands of separate tribes (like mesoamerica) constantly battling each other and much of the island was uninhabited. The Dutch were the first to establish effective control along the coast followed by Koxinga (Ming Chinese) - Qing - Japan - ROC (today).
palladiomc 1 month ago
How can Taiwan call itself the "Republic of China" and then in the same sentence say "We are not Chinese; we are not part of China".
Yes, I agree it's not part of the People's Republic of China.
But I don't see where on Earth it's going with naming itself as it does and keeping the same languages, culture, and traditions of the mainland. It's like if the United States in 1776 called themselves the "Republic of Britain". Wtf??
gobipill 1 month ago
@gobipill If you know anything about 'Taiwanese' people, you would know they are the most insecure and pretentious of perhaps all Asians when it comes to their 'so-called' identity. They try so hard to differentiate themselves amongst Chinese people, yet they use our language, celebrate nearly all our holidays e.g. Chinese new year, and share many of our traditions. Although they have their own indigenous culture, it is Chinese culture that is predominant in their society. (cont.)
Nyro888 1 month ago
@gobipill
Yet, you forgot Taiwan cannot itself the ``Republic of China`` because of a pampered government across the sea telling other countries not to admit the fact there is two existing Chinese regimes.
Personally, i blamed the rising Taiwanese Independence movement on PRC and many mainland citizens who support PRC ridiculous policies overseas, like keep on telling Taiwanese they are part of them. It is like telling S.koreans, they belonged to the Kims and N.korea.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian " It is like telling S.koreans, they belonged to the Kims and N.korea."
-well, both sides of the strait tell that to each other. the ccp claims taiwan, and the kmt claims the mainland. i think it's in their constitution.
but you're not realizing the point. whether in the mainland, taiwan, or hk, theyre all chinese, culturally, linguistically, historically.
same with the korean situation. ask s. koreans what they think. most would say they want a unified korea.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
and yet we know only PRC and N.Korea point missles at their brothers and only their supporters advocate massacring the other side and leeching off welfare off democratic states while supporting the other side. I personally have quite a few koreans, many of them want to keep it seperate to save their own economy, they agreed maybe someday they need to be unify but unless the communists educated themselves, we cannot be unify.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian is it brotherly to want to gain independence??? mainlanders advocate massacring? you're definitely a sheep to whatever's feeding you. why would they like it when Ma won? so that they can have peace, before starting a war?? your bias gives you delusions. i bet you really hate that taiwan, the people, were the ones who voted for this. and you might think it's rigged.
now n. korea might leech off some welfare from the U.S, but the U.S is now definitely leeching welfare from China lol.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
When two brothers do not get along one another, it is better to split the fortune then to kill each other for it, this is the reasoning for Independence. PRC want to spill kin blood while HK and TW is avoiding it. Btw, who is the sheep? You think Ma won meaning PRC won? There are many reasons to vote for Ma other than his PRC policies, for instance, some deep green politicians want to pardon Chen, that is a huge blow to neutral supporters.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian anything related with chen shui bian can ultimately lead back to the topic of cross strait relations. in fact, any party in taiwan actually, since it's obviously a big factor. chen's corruption just showed that he did nothing but use the cross-strait relations as a tool for his campaign. and nothing really fruitful, even in his own philosophy of independence, came through.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
I love how you think US is leeching welfare off China, especially you are one of those CCP supporter leeching off a Western Country while supporting the PRC/CCP. BTW, PRC support USA financially because USA cannot fall because if they does, so goes all the money they lend to the USA and the business deals they made. Do not act like a Saint, PRC had not contribute a single thing to the world whole heartedly. If it is not for HK or Taiwan, China would be a cancer.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian oh yes the U.S most definitely are. that's why geithner and clinton went there a few years back, to beg.
im not a ccp supporter, but to you, anyone who likes china is a ccp supporter. and speak for yourself, where do you live? who's a proud canadian? according to your logic, you're leeching off a western country too.
like you said, china is keeping it's economy, the US, and in fact, the world's financial state stable. that's a contribution, now isn't it?
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle another contribution would be lifting over 300 million people out of poverty (a world record), with little wealth, (due to the fact that the kmt took most of china's wealth to taiwan), in a large country (not some small colony controlled by foreigners), and without sucking up to the americans or the british (unlike some people.....).
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
-another contribution would be lifting over 300 million people out of poverty (a world record), with little wealth.
PRC's GDP per capita is lower than many African nations, lifting million of corrupted party official nad merchants to be some of the richest men on earth with the rest of countries living like a serfs is not an accomplishment, it is called blasphemy.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian gdp per capita? ofc it'd be low. theres over a billion people there. and they STILL lifted over 300M, and counting. what's a blasphemy is comparing the wrong things. there are democratic nations in africa, or in asia, that still have people starve to death, while there isn't any in china.
lol gdp per capita. even mentioning that is like a cop-out. of course places like HK and TW have higher gdp per capita: smaller population, using china as cheap labour. be proud.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
there is something called pseudo-democracy, calling themselves democracy yet not practice any. Tell me which democratic nations is starving their people to death, please don't bring countries like India where if you are certain caste or cultural background you cannot vote.
lol, according to your logic, smaller population=higher gdp per capita, then it is completely logical we split the country apart into pieces.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian why cant i bring countries like india? is very comparable. they have a lot of people, but theyre just a democracy. and they do suffer from famine. so why cant i bring that up? you compared china's gdp with that of an african nation, which is more of an outrageous comparison. what difference would my point be if i used democractic republic of congo's famine? i would have still proved you wrong.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
#1 Just like PRC is not a true communistic state, India is not a true democratic state. If not all registered citizens can vote, how can it be demos cracy (people rule). And i stated my reasons before, now I repeated, if you still want to be blind, go on, cant help.
Democratic Republic of Congo, maybe you should use democratic people's republic of korea? It is even a better example!
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian that's what im telling you. what's your whole point of bringing up the gdp per capita in africa comparison when you wont even bother comparing any other country to china that has a worse record, be it democracy or not. you used wrong comparisons to start of, then when i replied, my fake-commie vs fake-democracy somehow isnt a fair comparison, when it most definitely is.
you cant deny that piece of contribution by the prc.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Do you even understand how faulty your piece of contribution of PRC is. Even at the time of Chiang Kai Shek, areas under Chiang's control have many rich official and merchants before Japan invades...0_-. So are you suggesting CCP and PRC is a completley ptless creation. Feeding yourself fat through expense of others is not called contribution, it is called selfishness. That is what I am pointing at, and only hypocritical states feel proud of these things.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian under chiang's control, chinese people starved, no different than mao's era, with the exception that there were no warlords, and foreign colonists during mao's time (except HK).
im talking about lifting people out of poverty, and stablising the world economy, and your talking about corrupted ppl who feeds them self fat. see, that's what i mean you go off-topic.
HK and TW is known for having success through business using china's cheap labor. are you proud of that?
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
lol, during Chiang's control, people starved because there are warlords, foreign invaders, and COMMUNISTS bandits raiding the land under Mao Zedong. During Mao's control, people starved while there are no warlords, no foreign invaders, and no NATIONALSITS bandits raiding the land.
I understand why Chiang fails, but Mao fails in easy mode, and you called that SUCCESSFUL RULE?
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian when did i call mao having a "successful rule", when i even just compared him to deaths of starvation, just like under chiang? you seriously need to stop listening to that delusional head of yours.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
lol, you called it a contribution, to you there is a difference??? Btw, as I stated in my rebuke about Chiang and Mao before, you got anything to add about your argument that they are equal or you just give up trying to suggest they are the same?
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian both mao and chiang were no good. siding with one (you seem to like chiang) is retarded.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
I agreed siding with either one is retard (finally we met a mutual conclusion here). Btw, I sounds to like chiang but I am just saying Chiang is the lesser evil. It is like you asking me whether I want a flu or cancer, I prefer a flu. One of the few modern Chinese leader (only a handful to choose from) I respected is Dr. Sun Yat Sen.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian yes, dr sun is the only modern chinese leader i really like. and he did not advocate separatism at all. i like him, because i prefer neither a flu or cancer.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
And if Dr. Sun did go beyond that united China ideology, he would not have died with his dreams unfulfilled. Sun Should have just kept south of China and build up the army and economy and save talks of unification until his state is strong enough. Wishing too much is his downfall.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian he was just basing in the south because, not only was he from there, the qing power was in the north. it was never too much wishing. lol, you're a disgrace to even say you respect him when you dont even know his will.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
The Qing power was in nowhere, who is in the North, Northern Warlords.
Again with the hypocrisy. His main will is to bring about three principles of men, not about nationalism. He was aware of ethnic crisis (Manchus were massacred in masses) stemmed from the breakup of Qing, that is why he proposed uniting China, however he overextended himself, not knowing most in China were selfish and treat provinces as their own monopoly.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian do you even know the 3 principles of the people?
1.) nationalism
2.) democracy
3.) welfare (kinda like socialism)
so saying it wasnt about nationalism is wrong.
"most in China were selfish and treat provinces as their own monopoly."
-and people like you advocating for independence is in the way of his vision. so are you sure you respect dr sun yat sen?
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
1) Minzu commonly rendered as "nationalism", yet literally "Populism"; by this, Sun meant freedom of the people.
2) democracy (agreed)
3) welfare (agreed); I actually believed in socialism, just not the CCP or Stalin variant of it.
I respect Sun Yat Sen, does not mean I had to worship him as God and foolhardy follow everything he states. If I do so, I am not respecting, I am idolizing him, and this will make me no diff from Mao and Chiang's worshippers.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian i dont pray to sun, if thats where youre getting at.
minzu, nationalism meaning: by the (chinese) people. freedom from foreign control.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
No, but you are speaking as if not taking every word from Sun to action even though it is contradictory is blasphemy. If uyghurs and Tibetans want Independence, why not let them? If a small country will do a greater good, why keep a big country and let people starved? Sun could not see through those boundaries, and that is why ROC did not achieved democracy and modernize quick enough against Japan.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian you idolize japan too huh? well, how come they wont let the ainu and okinawans gain their independence. so please, dont even bother going there.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
"most in China were selfish and treat provinces as their own monopoly."
-Are you saying the warlords in China are not selfish??? Warlords like Yan Xishan, Yuan Shikai literally sell pieces of land to foreigners. I would also called Mao a warlord, because during ww2, instead of fighitng the Japs, he was killing Chinese in Yan'an. Mao had been recorded to stated, count every non-communist we killed as a Jap we killed.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian i didnt say the warlords were selfish. im saying how are independence-advocates like you different from them, when they wanted a specific area under their own monopoly.
btw, sun yat sen's vision was also removing warlordism. it wasnt far fetched to envision.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
The different is clear, I support independence to serve a greater good, while they want to be independent so they can be a fucken warlord to serve themselves, in fact this is CCP's logic, enslaved the masses for ourselves. Hk is rdy for democracy, if mainland is not rdy, let us seceded, and if you believed we are brothers, when you catch up, we will reunited, yet you guys don't have the confidence.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian well, try to separate then. let's see who has the confidence lol.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Sure. As I said, we will when we got the chance, after all what we paid to PRC for water is like 10 times Singapore to Malaysia amount.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian oh yeah that's right, water haha. a very important resource. water. you cant live without water.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
And you know when Hk declared Independence, PRC is in chaos. I would not be surprised many CCP "supposed patriots" turn to warlords and bow down to Hk money.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian well, when that happens, then we'll talk about it hehe. WHEN or even IF.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
You do know despite saying that, you jsut debate one hour with me over that.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian yeah, you must be paid too.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
You know one interesting thing when you accuse us for our success. We were ardy Asian tigers when PRC is still locked up. In fact, it is our investment that made PRC rise not the other way around. Without Hk and Taiwan, PRC will still be a fourth world country as Mao Zedong left it be with not intellectuals and money.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian im not denying that hk and tw were already economic tigers. as i implied before, they had a good start, esp with a small population.
but the fact that you admit that hk and tw used china's cheap labor to progress shows your hypocrisy. you talk badly about people feeding themselves fat at the expense of horrible treatment of workers, yet the truth is that your pride of HK was built uponn that exact basis, being mentored by the UK.
proud my ass.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
And yes to PRC supporters, Japan, TW, S.K and HK are all sucking to the West. They is why we can created so many films mocking the Westerners actions in the East in the past decades, they is why we treat each other as equal and learn from each other with respect. Hilariously, those are all things that PRC suppoerters do not dare to do, who is the suckers, heavens know.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian lol, i have how you go off-topic. now you're into movies. and now you're including japan and s. korea (who have US bases). of course you're sucking up. that's why westerners like you more. you're good lap dogs, just like the olden days.
but who's the one who the west is always antagonizing? that's right, china. the one who won't follow their orders politically, militarily, or even economically.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
lol, PRC is an asshole, this is why everyone hates them. Tell me one state like PRC whole heartedly, not because they like PRC investment. According to your logic, all your friends are people you suck up to, that is why they became your friends. I love the CCP logic.
I guess one that do not respect others, never understand or get respect.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian Pakistan is a pretty close friend of the prc. even serbia declared themselves to be china closest friend in the balkans.
now TELL ME THIS, who is friends with HK not because of investment/business.
trick question lol.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Firstly, Canada (who even had a Hk governor), Japan, S. Korea, Singapore, Vietnam and Taiwan (many of them like our kungfu movies), USA, UK (formal mentor that bought us to glory) and the list just go on. You will be fucken surprised, many ppl hate Chinese from mainalnd, but when you say you are from HK, their attitude change completely.
Now, you think Pakistan and Serbia is your friend, or you guys are just working together for Military* interest?
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian lol movies? your alliance are bounded through movies? are you for real? that's even worse than being "friends" through investment. the reason why i said it's a trick question because most, if not, all of the countries you mentioned are bound to HK through some sort of investment or business. that's the miracle of HK. but sadly, you dont consider that true friendship, since that what you implied to "friends of the prc".
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Let us put it that way, ever wonder why it is so much easier for Hkers to immigrate while so hard for PRcers to immigrate? or to get a visas? I am guessing they like your money but do not like you there in person. 0_-
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian no, it's because you were part of the commonwealth. and i'm sure you living in canada, youd know that there are more and more mainlanders being accepted there ;)
good times huh?
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Lol, super fun times really. That is why Hkers are keeping a distance from them. You cannot even get to a chinese supermarket now without getting your car scratch or spot stolen by these powerful ppl. And all my foreign friends (well actually even Hkers) when entering a chinese mall, all would have bitch about rude mainlanders at least once.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian while everyone else keeps talking about the rudeness of HKers. right.....
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle Most PRC supporters in HK today are those ppl that use China's cheap labor, if they are not recent immigrants of PRC. And as I stated before, we build ourselves up and we sent money to help you, so stop saying we owe you anything.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian hk and tw economies were based on the spoils of having cheap labour. so it's not just "some prc supporters in hk (or tw)", because its the bulk of their economy.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Are you sure? HK's economy is fun on finance and service not manufacturing, and I am not really confident in using cheap labor as bankers. You can called Hkers blood (money)sucking vampires, but saying our city-state as building upon sweatshops is just idiocy.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian i didnt say hk built sweatshops, but theyre using prc cheap labourer and sweatshops in the mainland.
just because its not happening in hk, doesnt mean you can wash your hands clean. see, that's the kind of attitude im talking about. pretending to give a fuck about rights and freedoms.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Let put it this way, Hong Kong and Taiwan hated mainland China, either you like it or not. It is not really something we can decided. Afterall even if most Hkers hated mainind, independence short term is an illusion.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian independence should remain an illusion.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@Balencian speaking of being part of the commonwealth, HK wasnt even in the same status as canada or australia. in the eyes of the british (your mentors), you were nothing but chinamen who werent good enough to be british citizens. you were made into a second-class citizen in your own city. i love the fact that you see them as your mentor.
you probably didnt know that the popularity of the fenqing was a HK phenomena.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
lol, we are second class citizen? At one time, yes, but after ww2, Hkers enjoy much freedom, at least better than today HKSAR, and that is why we think PRC FAILED in every aspects. Btw, Fengqing modern usage is a PRC phenomenam, generally referring to mainland idiots that hate Japan so much they beat ppl wearing hanfu (mistakening them as kimono), yet you mainlanders love to rub it on Hkers for standing up for justice against PRC tyranny.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian nope, the 2nd class citizen status continued up until the handover in 1997. hkers werent good enough to be british. you know thats the truth.
in modern usage, fenqing can mean anything you think it is. but you know i was talking about the origins of it, of how it got popular. and it was hkers standing up for the injustice of the UK.
yes, i know it must hurt to know this.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Not really? Why do you think I get hurt? And as you said, FQ can mean anything you think it is? So why bother???
And just keep on telling Hkers as secondary citizen status, they are so secondary that they want Britain to return? So why stop us from fucking ourselves over? Or you just want to admit PRC's rule is even worse than CCP first class rule???
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian it can mean anything IN MODERN USAGE, like you said. but FQ origins has one specific meaning, like i said.
people that want the british to return are a minority. and you know that. that's not even independence lol.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
A minority; you will be fucken suprised.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian no i wont be surprised to know what i said is true. trust me when i say this, i generally know a lot about china.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Never been to PRC and know about PRC? I think therefore it is, is that your logic?
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian where did i say i never been to prc? i wasnt educated there, nor was i born there. but ive been there. like i said, airplanes! have you heard of them?
you talk as if you know about the prc, does that mean you were educated there? on the other hand, you dont know the prc. but that's just lack of education.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
I read and educated myself. I used to believed PRC is redeemable, not listening to elders advices (teachers, professors, parents) and one of my teacher had CCP connections so he hook me into a program to help teach kids in Yunnan, and that is how I noticed there is nothing good about the regime and what we see on TV and big city is a big illusion. Btw, I also been to Japan and Korea, and be honest, there is much to learn even for HK especially from japan.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian well, when i saw new schools being built in xiamen (outskirts btw), i saw hope. im not an arrogant city slicker hker like you.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
I am an arrogant city slicker, alright. I can stand the Canadian wilds, I love Hiking btw, don't mind big dogs but in PRC, it is a different story, you are facing assholes that want to do ppl harm and do have the intellect to do so, It is like a zombie Apocalypse with zombies that have brains. Btw, for someone calling ppl city slicker, you should proud that you never been to PRC' s countryside.
Balencian 1 month ago
@Balencian didnt i tell you in i saw new schoold being built in the outskirts? my relatives are actually living in the out skirts, not in that island youre thinking about.
ThePeeBottle 1 month ago
@ThePeeBottle
Yunnan is not an island, and which outskirts???
Balencian 1 month ago