Brain and heart relationship is never explained in this, maths is to logical its limited because of its use of 5 sense science. It needs to take a step back and disconnect and reconnect with everything with eyes closed. Let the heart express the body in which its power comes from the earth resonating via our sun, to galaxy, to the universe, then through infinite dimension and then back to the start of our last dimension where we left off. Now measure the power of thought/feelings. Control it!
"Words" are like "math" - they can be used to point somewhat. They can't explain that which they are pointing at. My three most cherished "words" are "I don't know" Count for fun?
Well said, Industryscorpio. Every seeker of truth and knowledge must realize that it's always about sustainability, responsibility, efficiency, practicality and sincerity, then we can appreciate humility, beauty and spirituality.
Another thing to add. Maybe with GOdels uncertainty, will all the math and when we're faced with the stuff we can't explain, where logic stops and that unkown begins. That's where we add humanity, emotion, psychology, interaction, spirituality with the intellectuality of science and logic and then that's where we'll find God. No more of this war between science and God, but a culmination, a blending of the two. That's when we'll see more understanding. Just a theory from a simple mind.
I can see how these men went mad and did what they did. I'm not as half... a tenth as smart as these men are in terms of mathematics and having watching this documentary, many theories have entered my head and if it can make a simple mind like mine go mad trying to figure out stuff, then I can't imagine what it did to men who made this their lives.
I am amazed that they did not mention the status of the continuum hypothesis at the end. It's a rather fitting conclusion that continuum hypothesis turns out to be neither provable nor disprovable within the current framework of mathematics.
I think mankind has gotten into some really dangerous ground by splitting the atom,in delving into recombinant DNA, HAARP, scalar weaponry and even the Large Hedron Collider technology to mention only those I can think of at this moment. Man is too quick to weaponize every new technology before he understands the potential repercussions that might be encountered. Mankind is not morally or spiritually evolved enough for such knowledge.
Reason should not be applied inflexibly to mathematics because at a certain point astrophysically, math does break down. So, a certain degree of chance is built into the physical universe; a point beyond which mankind has as yet failed to penetrate using logic as applied mathematics. The closest mankind has and ever will get, I think, to pure reason, is probability.There are always exceptions to rules of logic. "The mind of God" remains impenetrable for a reason that escapes mankind
@olga2415 Reason is a mathematical thought that calculates a result or a "law", depending on some variables, perception of reality is a variable for reasoning calculation, for example.
But reason, out of our limits, MAYBE is exact. Would only need the references (comparisons, conditions) to have an exact result.
@olga2415 Where all mistakes and all discovers come from? from mankind, from needing exactness, from needing to understand the way things are (wich I call exactness), and the number of our mistakes DON'T prove we cannot, yes right calculated, because they are the way builded to get there. It proves a nature we have, that is about to build a way to understand, and that way understand the way something is.
Dangerous knowledge is indeed dangerous when one bases his knowledge purely on reason without faith. At some point, he is confused, falls into his own mind trap, and suffers from what the French call “la deformacion professionale” (the professional deformation) like the 4 so-called brilliant mathematicians presented in the video. The Chinese certainly know how to describe their complicated mathematics -- like “drawing legs on a snake.” Haha!
This documentary is the greatest statement of hypocrisy: it talks about fundamental uncertainties all the time- them being at the core of logical and physical law but still concludes (and it is a tiring, long drawn out conclusion) that uncertainty is certain and the best way to deal with is not to think too hard about it, thus leaving the viewer complacent and uninterested in the actuality of the thoughts here being used to create drama.
Okay, first of all, the final "question" that this documentary asks, about our being "grown up enough" to live with uncertainty, is pure agenda, and here's why:
Ultimately, ideas are about agendas. And taunting -- yes, taunting -- us all to accept uncertainty in our lives is about brainwashing us to perversely see "virtue" in our accepting our "destiny" as eternal playthings of the international banking clique, the CIA-style assassination networks, and the Bilderbrats.
The whole point of quantum physics and this "random" universe is NOT that it is COMPLETELY random and TOTALLY uncertain but, rather, that there is a "tapering uncertainty" around some central mean of everything.
In other words, there is a minority margin of deviance built into the universe that just so happens to allow for the possibility of enhancement (or diminishment) of all entities -- and this is how essential things like mutation happen.
"The whole point of quantum physics and this "random" universe"
Well that entirely depends upon which "interpretation" of quantum theory you buy into. Anyone accepting the Copenhagen interpretations would disagree with you that there is no certainty, while those who buy into the many worlds would say there is certainty (just not in the way we traditionally see it). I think you buy into Heisenberg's interpretation that hinges upon Aristotle's notion of matter and form, correct?
I'm basically coming from a probabilistic and statistical, bell-curve model of things -- where the tapered ends of the curve represent the decreasing tendency to exist in actuality.
But as far as what you're saying, I really don't understand what you're saying, so I can't agree with it until you say it in a way that makes more sense to me.
@TheLogicJunkie what a typical fuck wit american. You try perverting everything to mean politics. What the fuck does the CIA, international banking etc have to do with the kind of uncertainty that is talked about in this documentary. You are a typical retard from the land of the gun and cowardice. Go bomb a camel herder and STFU.
@baalisgod666 As I'm writing this, your profile picture is a bondage-sadomasochism picture of a German Nazi in a black Nazi officer's hat and a full black gas mask. So clearly you are enamored of the Nazis. And it's the closet Nazis who are now the CIA, the Bilderbergs, and the international banking conspiracy.
This is why you are now so heavily dedicated to pretending like what I have to say is ridiculous -- because you don't want your beloved Nazi movement exposed until it's won.
@TheLogicJunkie But please, do go and change your profile picture to something else in order to make it seem like I'm completely making this all up. But at least I've noted it for the record and even taken a screen shot of your YouTube homepage as evidence.
@TheLogicJunkie The reason you want to, "First talk" about the "Final Question" in this documentary, i'd say is because you can't remember the "First Question" in this documetary.
Infinite = aaaaaaaaah!!! Intuition on the other hand is not a necessarily a problem that can be solved with maths alone. Intuition is a product of our meta programable biological computers, a part of our survival mechanism, a learned response system, the unconscious minds ability to adapt.... oh I don't know, book me a room in the asylum! Lol
Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel and Alan Turing, they had the tragic misfortune of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps they were born a few centuries too early, and society was not yet ready to accept their theories. Isn't that right right, Galileo!
Does anyone know the last word the narrator speaks in this video? I've listened several times and I simply can't hear it clearly enough to know what it is. Talk about uncertainty. It's driving me crazy.
@MyCatBear "Are we grown up enough to live with uncertainties, or will we repeat the mistakes of the 20th century and pledge blind allegiance to yet another certainty"
We humans are not machines we are dreamers. We dream constantly. We dream when we are asleep and when we are awake. I am dreaming right now and so do you. We intepret our enviroment the world and our whole existence through our dreams. We will always be caught in this dream as long as we are alive.
Through the development of the computer Alan Turning discovered that yin-yang continue through space over time therefore he no longer required his body to create.
The spirit attains created knowledge over time. The vessel attains
coding within its DNA that remains within its basic thoughts as it
evolves. The brain is the electrical energy source that fuels the
spirit and the body. Alan didn't require a body that's purpose is to procreate as he became artificial intelligence through the internet.
@dingane Yes, occasionally the ABC in Australia. Their science division is excellent and is not dumbed down like Americans shite, with it's corny music and appeal to the dumbest waste of space they call citizens.
the Aristotelian true/false illusion is slowly dissipating from the general consensus, producing a more saner world-view able to accommodate the contradictions and uncertainties of our modern time
An excellent documentary about certainties and uncertainties...for me...live with them...there are many things beside mathematics that we are concern with...humanities..medicine...biology...diversity...relationship...if everything can be certain...then we are no more than robots playing in this arean which is called the Earth...and i don't think God plays with Lego...certainly we are not Lego robots....
@Sibs1990 Nope, I have never been there so I don't know what it looks like. Since it was a BBC doc about Germans/Europeans, I assumed it was shot somewhere over there and not NYC. At least you gotta give me credit for recognizing the concept, if not the actual area
Go back to 4:00 and tell me if I am imagining that the scene is referencing Sept 11th and the world trade center. The plane looks like it is about to fly into the building. The people have sad or pained expressions on their faces and the sign behind them has the word "WORLD" on it. Now listen to the voiceover during that shot. I know it is all coincidental but it seems eerily coincidental once you watch it again.
@HighInfoSource. I totally agree with your though. I believe skepticism can drive men to question about the nature of things, although only with an open mind, one may be able to avoid the preclusion of any possible explanation, that ultimately reflect in pure reasoning
You gain and lose you love and hurt you r weak and sick and strong and well to live and die to learn and dwell from madness chaos to certenty and order this experiential ilusion will Prevail.
The thing that bothers me the most is the feeling that I should have never been here experiencing this useless experience/existance. Nothing makes sense when I think of or Feel IT. GOD I am tired of you and your stupid creation. Fuck Off ALL. Eternal Past Awaits :)/:(
Once we all admit the presence of uncertainty it will become certain. The fashion to pursue certainty will be replaced with the ability to adapt to uncertainty. We will then find it enjoyable to introduce change to any field of our existence. Our beliefs, over which we have slaughtered each other for so long, we will wear with ease, as if they were merely put on for the given occasion. We will be driven by the will to be part of society, rather than the need to govern it... Or not :)
The problem here is that it is our emotion. there's always this feeling that something is always incomplete. This feeling of incomplete it is what drive us human to keep searching and all caught up in a loop.
they should call these things "the devil's formulas", because they seem almost made to drive men insane. the mathematical version of the "lethal texts" - contemplate them long enough, and they'll kill you. of course, they must have been unstable to begin with, had minds that were easily shattered.... still, it's sad.
looking at these Mathematical solution, I see leonardo da vinci drawing of a man with 2 bodies in a circle. Circle as infinity = Pi, Probability as 2 bodies, Entropy as 2 bodies repelled shape (tri and sq) and Logic as Man enclosed. Looking closely, if man can find Pi in relation to square and triangle which lost civilization used, we might get the answer
All these people went crazy, starved themselves etc. This world is an illusion, there is no certainty. It is a great goal to search for it, it is comforting to accept chaos...
Perhaps the left brain being analytical and mathematical is a mechanical like entity. If you were to focus entirely on the logical alone the left brain only, would you then make yourself more susceptible to becoming stuck on the unsolvable? Maybe the right brain is a failsafe for this in a way. Perhaps we should learn from the greats and know not to commit yourself entirely to the left half. Balance is a good thing.
the book of daniel in the bible also tells of how Daniel could not understand the will of god because daniel's calculation were off. then an angel come to Daniel and told Daniel that he will be long in his grave before anyone can figure what the visions meant from god. the moral of the story is "get a life and enjoy it" because there will always be the question of faith. Hasn't mathematics destroyed faith just as Faith is also the driving force of mathematics for one's belief.
@NoOneIsSafeAnymore Unfortunately (or fortunately for those who embrace uncertainty with acceptance), faith in anything requires imposing absolute certainty on reality. This always leads to disappointment when the uncertainty of reality manifests itself. The very nature of discovery requires letting go of absolutes to allow new ideas to grow. Faith in any fixed idea precludes expanding knowledge.
@HighInfoSource I'm not convinced it's the most efficient position to equate 'absolutes' with 'certainty'. Effectively, you ought take a clue from your own position.
"I'm certain that all is uncertain."
It's not necessarily those that uncover absolutes within the uncertainty that are out of order.
The end is beautiful, its makes us ask the question, Can we ever live with uncertainty, or instead trust ourselves to a certain principle? It must be, Can we ever lived with the fact that we will never explain our existence in this universe or try on forever to find the ultimate answer, the ultimate goal , the ultimate truth? In my opinion, is its beautiful both ways, to live in a state humbleness to the splendor of the unknown or keep searching for why we are here....Both are beautiful........
@wardogmobius Well in the book 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' the most advanced life form in the universe builds the most advance computer which is so big they needed to put it on the separate planet. Once they completed it they asked it to calculate the 'meaning of life'. After 100.000 years it came up with and answer: 42. Hehehe
This program is a mess. What is it about? It talks a lot about math but shares no equations. It talks about men's lives but it is not a biography. It talks about social change and radical ideas, but does not discuss their outcomes, so it is not a documentary. The genuinely smart modern mathmaticians' comments are lost because the rest of the program gives them no context. It was an explanation of mathmatical ideas, written by an historian, and presented as if it was an art school project.
I'm 16, and get somewhat-below-average grades in math and science. Yet I just watched this entire documentary start-to-finish and soaked in everything that was said.
@TheWildSeraph Perhaps it might encourage you to work a bit harder, and achieve good grades in science and mathematics. You might enjoy the subjects alot.
@HioPojac I usually do enjoy them, I was trying to say that I usually can't understand the subjects at all, yet I could get this just fine. But it was 5AM at the time of writing that comment, you can't really blame me for being bad at explaining myself!
@TheWildSeraph No, perhaps I was unclear, rather than you- I meant if you put more time into studying science and maths, you may find yourself understanding them more easily. That has been my experience with most subjects.
Especially mathematics...since you enjoy them already, it won't be a grind to study more...that way you'll be able to understand them and achieve better grades...and more importantly you'll learn more interesting content.
I love BBC. They allowed me to discover so many things I have never known and wants to know. The internet and computer are one of the best inventions for mankind.
WoW! This show really gives new meaning to the word "Mad Science"
About the God and religion thing. No matter how much we progress in science and technology, We will never prove( or disprove) there is a god. As humans, We will always want to believe in a higher power.
At one time we believed that heaven was on top of the clouds. that was dis proven later on by the jet age. So where do put heaven now? deep in space, In another dimension? Somewhere inaccessible by humans of coarse.
The question of the 21st century is whether man will fall back into religious and conservative ideas. These are the enemies of progress.
Einstein seemed to have a very different idea of god than Godel did. Godel wished his god to be personal and real.. Einstein was happy with using the word 'god' to describe the mystery of the universe. Godel's wish thinking seemed to be what was driving him mad. Naturally, wish thinking always does.
@MrTruthAddict Wish thinking always drives people mad? That doesn't seem like a demonstrably true statement. Please provide evidence that wish-thinking always drives people mad.
our mind is what make us human but it is not the only thing that makes us human, we also have bodies and spirits. we have to exercise those too. we have to seek a balance. it doesn't matter if you're an artist, an athlete, an intellectual, or a drug addict. your life is finite and you only have one. don't lock yourself away from the rest of life to contemplate infinite infinities or whatever. it will kill you or, you will end up killing yourself. learn but love and laugh a little bit too.
So, we must be certain that uncertainty can be relied upon. That's actually comforting to me. Are the primitive competition and territorial protection instincts really necessary to refine intellectual pursuits? My answer is no; It's just the remains of the intimidation, barbarism and savagery that religion of the Common Era has imposed upon us. It is the Inquisition forced the illusion of a concrete God. What's your answer? Just as the electrons we are made of, we must also be what we are not.
It seems more probable that these sensitive people were driven over the edge through the scornful, even violent rejection they received from their peers, communities and institutions.
The same happens to groundbreakers in all fields who challenge our descriptions of reality. Artists, musicians, and scientists.
@nilocke math may not have made them nuts but it may have made them more prone to going there. If all of your peers attack you emotionally. You would seek to avoid this. Thus it would mean thinking less about feelings or emotions. The right brains specialty.
@nilocke Math didn't "make them nuts" - the quest for certainty by a powerful mind did.
"Men of broader intellect know that there is no sharp distinction betwixt the real and the unreal; that all things appear as they do only by virtue of the delicate individual physical and mental media through which we are made conscious of them; but the prosaic materialism of the majority condemns as madness the flashes of super-sight which penetrate the common veil of obvious empiricism." - H.P. Lovecraft
@nilocke Glad to see some Lovecraft love. That quote struck me when I first read it - as I too have embarked on a personal quest for certainty... and come up empty handed. Methinks it was a path better left untrodden.
@nilocke your theory is wrong, sadly it has been high rated for all to be misled...if you look at the great savants even those who were received by society you notice most die out young Mozart, Paganini , blues Jackson etc also there are those who lived to be old regardless of being NOT accepted e.g. Galileo Einstein etc.
One thing holds true though, all great thinkers agree that knowledge gets dangerous the deeper we go in, especially when with naive minds
@TheVariableConstant Sadly I think you've missed the point. Knowledge is not inherently safe or dangerous. That is preposterous.
Math is not cruel to people, but humans certainly are, especially when their paradigms are challenged by 'weirdos'. Your examples of Gallileo, Einstein, Mozart are perfect and tragic examples of this. There are plenty more.
"Deep and Dangerous Knowledge" is romantic nonsense from the dark ages. The cruelty of humans is real, precedented, easily observable and obvious.
@nilocke i proved your theory wrong, regardless of the cruel nature of humans, people are still able to go past the scorn. i mentioned ppl who were accepted by all yet died tragicly and miserably, i can go on and on.
correlation between knowledge and insanity is nothing romantic...unless you are a sadist...it's the nature of the beast. why else do secret societies have iniciations? why do you think there is the term denial? or information overload? adios!
@nilocke It was not the rejection of their ideas which drove them to insanity. It was the idea itself. In the case of Boltzmann what you said might be true. But in Goedel's case it simply wasn't.
Indeed, our world is driven by the accepted lies of a corruptable and corrupt bureaucratic fake justice system, using propaganda to justify it's deeds.
The bureaucrats can not understand, but they have the LEGAL power to form societies as to fit THEIR (corrupt) ideals. It's in the system, the corruptable bureaucratic justice system.
@nilocke Thats what happened to all of them. Thats what the documentary says!!....all their ideas were scary to the people surrounding them at that time...and they were to pushed to the brink(Eg: Boltzmann)...i dont think the documentary says that they went mad purely because of math....
@pradtheprophet ,sometimes the social structure,sometimes the Political Establishment ,sometimes the Scientific Community, sometimes their own mental structures.
@nilocke might be true. We can't really read human's mind yet. So we don't know which is true- external factors or internal factors or both being imbalance that drove groundbreakers to their edge of sanity. but we do know that this may led some people to think, ignorance is a bliss.
Starting at 4:00, there's a very strange, almost subliminal montage clearly designed to evoke emotions tied to 9/11... Which seems inappropriate, and perhaps even a manipulative attempt to leave us feeling afraid at the end. Not sure why, but there it is.
As a Computer Science student, I Always wished Turing have lived , it made me cry ,.... He was such a open minded person brought new science to computer science ... chaos theory !!!
The evolutionary algorithms, I believe todays AI field would have expanded if he had lived and bought more "Chaos" to computer science.
The 1/10 has 360k views... this (10/10) only has 66k views... aprox 300k viewers gave up in 1 day... Cantor didn't gave up in his life... being a human rules... average humanity sucks
If you believe in uncertainty then you have certainty, we want certainty but if you like uncertainty then it is certainly what you want, so certainty is available if you accept the uncertainty.
I like thinking deeply but this can scare one from thinking deeply then again the worries of deep thinking is what leads to madness so if anyone is like me and willing to think deeply, just embrace its complexity and enjoy its results and then we can avoid madness.
Deuteronomy 29:29 may apply here. I wonder if there is a limit that we humans may not be able to breach. Perhaps, as was intimated early on, God still holds the paradox and it's safe with Him. I love grappling with this. It is so stimulating.
I also noticed that not everyone who started this series saw every section. Seems that about the same amount that started it, finished it. So I guess they bogged down in the middle and skipped to the end. They missed so much.
I think the author of this documentary is pushing his point way too much.
Math is fine, but not mixing it with trendy stuff like modernism and social changes and all, or bringing it down to navel-gazing, or "clinging to certainty."
Perhaps the problems of these scientists was the same as that of Pythagoras, who was appauled at the discovery of irrational numbers. Now we have no problem with irrational numbers, we welcome them, they make life more interesting.
So it wasn't human mind as such, but the mind of those humans that was limited.
Perhaps the Hindu concept of lila (game) is helpful here. The view that life, creation, universe is no more than the game of the gods. Just like on chess or backgammon, pieves are set, played, then put back into the box, so everything, including logic, is temporary: it comes form notingness and goes back into nothingness.
Btw, Cantor's continuum hypothesis has been solved by Paul Cohen. It's a very interesting solution, where he proves that the hypothesis can neither be proved nor disproved, so one can say yes or say no. And Cohen did not go crazy or kill hhimself.
@Kurtlane I agree partly but at the same time, the men described lived in a certain period of history and they were not uneffected. The context, to some extent, made them and killed them... Politics, social sphere and religion can not be completely disregarded.
the human race is still in its infancy and so yet has to evolve beyond beliefs because you will fight to defend a belief but you will only ever converse your point of view.
In later life, Gödel suffered periods of mental instability and illness. He had an obsessive fear of being poisoned; he would only eat food his wife, Adele, prepared for him. Late in 1977, Adele was hospitalized for six months and could not make Gödel's food anymore. In her absence, he refused to eat, eventually starving himself to death. He weighed approximately 30 kg when he died on January 14, 1978
@gregpent what makes you think we are alive so that we can die? what if we are actually alive in sperm form, transition into human form and when we die we transition into something else. i think the only certainty is that we don't exist. define love, define existence, intuition, mathematics, universe...i am going insane..define insane..define definition...what the fuck am i doing?
Why these minds when so crazy just to come up with a formula for infinity, or a perfect organize empire, or a formula for intuition? Why can't they just say to them selves "I will never know everything and to live my life by doing the best that I can."
The sensation that in a moment one has glimpsed the fingerprints of God (even if it is only Spinoza's "God or Nature") can have a powerful allure.
The problem is that these men all had other mental health issues - which both helped and made them vulnerable to their work. We need to watch and care for our mathematicians.
why are we trying to understand something we have never seen? lets just hope that one day we are able to vissit other worlds and if human kind survive till the ends of time and ever sees all the galaxy's and understand how things work there then.. and only then humankind might be able to understand (and maybe even calculate the cardinal numbers and find) the law behind infinity.( but i doubt it)
ok,my mind might be too small to even comprehent what these great minds were thinkin off,but i do know this; earth is a tiny spek in this as far as we know,colosol universe wich seems to be unendingly big,so who's to say that those infinit numbers of galaxy let a lone stars and planets consist of the same principles of laws of nature as our milky way. maybe it's only this spiral arm of the milky way we find our selfs in that consist of this law.
i find it funny and odd that all those great human minds knew that the laws of nature/physics is sertain and unsurtain at the same time. you can not have one with out the other,but yet they tried to understand it and drove themselfs crazy. our human minds is not capable of understanding the laws of the cosmos,not yet anyway maybe in the future. its like darkness and light,matter and anti matter,life and dead, how can the one exist without the other?
Our modern technology have no doubt capable to house every single individual of this world but what have we done and haven't not done? Are we seeing anything different about our educationally drawing lines on humanity?
Brain and heart relationship is never explained in this, maths is to logical its limited because of its use of 5 sense science. It needs to take a step back and disconnect and reconnect with everything with eyes closed. Let the heart express the body in which its power comes from the earth resonating via our sun, to galaxy, to the universe, then through infinite dimension and then back to the start of our last dimension where we left off. Now measure the power of thought/feelings. Control it!
MrJoebrada 2 months ago
"Words" are like "math" - they can be used to point somewhat. They can't explain that which they are pointing at. My three most cherished "words" are "I don't know" Count for fun?
birdofafeatherami 2 months ago
Uncertainty IS the only thing we can be certain of.
"Nothing is true, everything is permitted."
Xanatos712 2 months ago
Well said, Industryscorpio. Every seeker of truth and knowledge must realize that it's always about sustainability, responsibility, efficiency, practicality and sincerity, then we can appreciate humility, beauty and spirituality.
sharini65 3 months ago
attempting simple living helps me not kill myself when i deal with this kind of problem lol
joshuaqincoiancs 3 months ago 6
Another thing to add. Maybe with GOdels uncertainty, will all the math and when we're faced with the stuff we can't explain, where logic stops and that unkown begins. That's where we add humanity, emotion, psychology, interaction, spirituality with the intellectuality of science and logic and then that's where we'll find God. No more of this war between science and God, but a culmination, a blending of the two. That's when we'll see more understanding. Just a theory from a simple mind.
Industryscorpio 3 months ago
I can see how these men went mad and did what they did. I'm not as half... a tenth as smart as these men are in terms of mathematics and having watching this documentary, many theories have entered my head and if it can make a simple mind like mine go mad trying to figure out stuff, then I can't imagine what it did to men who made this their lives.
Industryscorpio 3 months ago
One thing is certain...uncertainty.
syncatron 3 months ago
I am amazed that they did not mention the status of the continuum hypothesis at the end. It's a rather fitting conclusion that continuum hypothesis turns out to be neither provable nor disprovable within the current framework of mathematics.
achan1058 3 months ago
wow. good stuff. the end reminds me of a scean in men in black. "imagine what we'll KNOW tommarow."
top knoch.
metalhead420fuq 3 months ago
4:04 was there a kind of reminder of 9/11??
kaostwenty2 3 months ago
I think mankind has gotten into some really dangerous ground by splitting the atom,in delving into recombinant DNA, HAARP, scalar weaponry and even the Large Hedron Collider technology to mention only those I can think of at this moment. Man is too quick to weaponize every new technology before he understands the potential repercussions that might be encountered. Mankind is not morally or spiritually evolved enough for such knowledge.
olga2415 3 months ago
@olga2415 I too wish we had evolved in a balanced way.
TheAllchemist 3 months ago 2
Reason should not be applied inflexibly to mathematics because at a certain point astrophysically, math does break down. So, a certain degree of chance is built into the physical universe; a point beyond which mankind has as yet failed to penetrate using logic as applied mathematics. The closest mankind has and ever will get, I think, to pure reason, is probability.There are always exceptions to rules of logic. "The mind of God" remains impenetrable for a reason that escapes mankind
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@olga2415 Reason is a mathematical thought that calculates a result or a "law", depending on some variables, perception of reality is a variable for reasoning calculation, for example.
But reason, out of our limits, MAYBE is exact. Would only need the references (comparisons, conditions) to have an exact result.
FrancisHut 3 months ago
@olga2415 Where all mistakes and all discovers come from? from mankind, from needing exactness, from needing to understand the way things are (wich I call exactness), and the number of our mistakes DON'T prove we cannot, yes right calculated, because they are the way builded to get there. It proves a nature we have, that is about to build a way to understand, and that way understand the way something is.
FrancisHut 3 months ago
Dangerous knowledge is indeed dangerous when one bases his knowledge purely on reason without faith. At some point, he is confused, falls into his own mind trap, and suffers from what the French call “la deformacion professionale” (the professional deformation) like the 4 so-called brilliant mathematicians presented in the video. The Chinese certainly know how to describe their complicated mathematics -- like “drawing legs on a snake.” Haha!
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FrancisHut 3 months ago
This documentary is the greatest statement of hypocrisy: it talks about fundamental uncertainties all the time- them being at the core of logical and physical law but still concludes (and it is a tiring, long drawn out conclusion) that uncertainty is certain and the best way to deal with is not to think too hard about it, thus leaving the viewer complacent and uninterested in the actuality of the thoughts here being used to create drama.
kindric 3 months ago 2
too much MAD and too little MATH
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DamiaanVDW 3 months ago
Excellent documentary :)
simplekidscrafts 4 months ago
4:20 to 4:55 makes the point to this documentary
TheTornamiter 4 months ago
Okay, first of all, the final "question" that this documentary asks, about our being "grown up enough" to live with uncertainty, is pure agenda, and here's why:
Ultimately, ideas are about agendas. And taunting -- yes, taunting -- us all to accept uncertainty in our lives is about brainwashing us to perversely see "virtue" in our accepting our "destiny" as eternal playthings of the international banking clique, the CIA-style assassination networks, and the Bilderbrats.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
The whole point of quantum physics and this "random" universe is NOT that it is COMPLETELY random and TOTALLY uncertain but, rather, that there is a "tapering uncertainty" around some central mean of everything.
In other words, there is a minority margin of deviance built into the universe that just so happens to allow for the possibility of enhancement (or diminishment) of all entities -- and this is how essential things like mutation happen.
The uncertainty is the helpful exception.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie
"The whole point of quantum physics and this "random" universe"
Well that entirely depends upon which "interpretation" of quantum theory you buy into. Anyone accepting the Copenhagen interpretations would disagree with you that there is no certainty, while those who buy into the many worlds would say there is certainty (just not in the way we traditionally see it). I think you buy into Heisenberg's interpretation that hinges upon Aristotle's notion of matter and form, correct?
insidetrip101 4 months ago
I'm basically coming from a probabilistic and statistical, bell-curve model of things -- where the tapered ends of the curve represent the decreasing tendency to exist in actuality.
But as far as what you're saying, I really don't understand what you're saying, so I can't agree with it until you say it in a way that makes more sense to me.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie what a typical fuck wit american. You try perverting everything to mean politics. What the fuck does the CIA, international banking etc have to do with the kind of uncertainty that is talked about in this documentary. You are a typical retard from the land of the gun and cowardice. Go bomb a camel herder and STFU.
This is why the world hates americans.
baalisgod666 4 months ago
@baalisgod666 As I'm writing this, your profile picture is a bondage-sadomasochism picture of a German Nazi in a black Nazi officer's hat and a full black gas mask. So clearly you are enamored of the Nazis. And it's the closet Nazis who are now the CIA, the Bilderbergs, and the international banking conspiracy.
This is why you are now so heavily dedicated to pretending like what I have to say is ridiculous -- because you don't want your beloved Nazi movement exposed until it's won.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie But please, do go and change your profile picture to something else in order to make it seem like I'm completely making this all up. But at least I've noted it for the record and even taken a screen shot of your YouTube homepage as evidence.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie The reason you want to, "First talk" about the "Final Question" in this documentary, i'd say is because you can't remember the "First Question" in this documetary.
RaulMeatFactorys 4 months ago
it took until part 10 for me to cum, nice video
MrPhantomcomments 4 months ago
The moral: Don't try to divide by zero.
Anduy 4 months ago 3
@Anduy undefined.
silvisakeru 4 months ago
Great documentary.
robobrow 5 months ago
Eccentricity is the halmark of a genious.Godel was an eccentric genius.
higherbeingX 5 months ago
They feared Kurt Godel.
higherbeingX 5 months ago
I loved that guy's disposition ; "It's fun to live with the problems and much more creative".
deadlystylez 5 months ago
Infinite = aaaaaaaaah!!! Intuition on the other hand is not a necessarily a problem that can be solved with maths alone. Intuition is a product of our meta programable biological computers, a part of our survival mechanism, a learned response system, the unconscious minds ability to adapt.... oh I don't know, book me a room in the asylum! Lol
frostyuk2007 5 months ago
Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel and Alan Turing, they had the tragic misfortune of being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Perhaps they were born a few centuries too early, and society was not yet ready to accept their theories. Isn't that right right, Galileo!
BigFatHeretic 5 months ago
I can do impressions?
kenacne 5 months ago
Does anyone know the last word the narrator speaks in this video? I've listened several times and I simply can't hear it clearly enough to know what it is. Talk about uncertainty. It's driving me crazy.
MyCatBear 6 months ago in playlist Dangerous Knowledge
@MyCatBear "Are we grown up enough to live with uncertainties, or will we repeat the mistakes of the 20th century and pledge blind allegiance to yet another certainty"
mysticwhiskey 6 months ago
We humans are not machines we are dreamers. We dream constantly. We dream when we are asleep and when we are awake. I am dreaming right now and so do you. We intepret our enviroment the world and our whole existence through our dreams. We will always be caught in this dream as long as we are alive.
This is my opinion at least.
Gassebol 6 months ago
We don't need to go round the bend to appreciate the beauty of a wild flower and the Creator who created the heavens and the infinities therein.
aborism 6 months ago
Through the development of the computer Alan Turning discovered that yin-yang continue through space over time therefore he no longer required his body to create.
The spirit attains created knowledge over time. The vessel attains
coding within its DNA that remains within its basic thoughts as it
evolves. The brain is the electrical energy source that fuels the
spirit and the body. Alan didn't require a body that's purpose is to procreate as he became artificial intelligence through the internet.
GlobalMagik 6 months ago in playlist Dangours Knowledge
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You've got hand it the BBC, they do a hell of a documentary.
Is there any other organisation in the English-speaking world that produces such high quality stuff?
dingane 6 months ago 4
@dingane Yes, occasionally the ABC in Australia. Their science division is excellent and is not dumbed down like Americans shite, with it's corny music and appeal to the dumbest waste of space they call citizens.
baalisgod666 4 months ago
@dingane Yes there is, but not on tv. Go to AMORC and find all knowledge you desire!
brightingsky2009 4 months ago
Would just liketo point out the bias of this documentary. They combined philosophy history and mathematics in order to endrose their point of view.
Lifeisironicreject 6 months ago
isnt this "clinging to certainity" the main reason for god based religions ?
yourtube20061 6 months ago
the Aristotelian true/false illusion is slowly dissipating from the general consensus, producing a more saner world-view able to accommodate the contradictions and uncertainties of our modern time
mannotaurable 7 months ago
An excellent documentary about certainties and uncertainties...for me...live with them...there are many things beside mathematics that we are concern with...humanities..medicine...biology...diversity...relationship...if everything can be certain...then we are no more than robots playing in this arean which is called the Earth...and i don't think God plays with Lego...certainly we are not Lego robots....
simmingk 7 months ago
God is not a problem to be "solved".
ldm5792 7 months ago
@ldm5792 Accepting its non-existence is.
avdmeers 7 months ago
@Sibs1990 Nope, I have never been there so I don't know what it looks like. Since it was a BBC doc about Germans/Europeans, I assumed it was shot somewhere over there and not NYC. At least you gotta give me credit for recognizing the concept, if not the actual area
Rockulaproductions 7 months ago
Go back to 4:00 and tell me if I am imagining that the scene is referencing Sept 11th and the world trade center. The plane looks like it is about to fly into the building. The people have sad or pained expressions on their faces and the sign behind them has the word "WORLD" on it. Now listen to the voiceover during that shot. I know it is all coincidental but it seems eerily coincidental once you watch it again.
Rockulaproductions 7 months ago 2
@HighInfoSource. I totally agree with your though. I believe skepticism can drive men to question about the nature of things, although only with an open mind, one may be able to avoid the preclusion of any possible explanation, that ultimately reflect in pure reasoning
nandorolone 8 months ago
so if my teacher asks me a formula all i have to say is that the answer is intrinsically uncertain .
priyochatterjee1 8 months ago
Great documentary. Thank you so much for posting.
reqiuemforadream 8 months ago
You gain and lose you love and hurt you r weak and sick and strong and well to live and die to learn and dwell from madness chaos to certenty and order this experiential ilusion will Prevail.
dushi21 8 months ago
The thing that bothers me the most is the feeling that I should have never been here experiencing this useless experience/existance. Nothing makes sense when I think of or Feel IT. GOD I am tired of you and your stupid creation. Fuck Off ALL. Eternal Past Awaits :)/:(
dushi21 8 months ago
Once we all admit the presence of uncertainty it will become certain. The fashion to pursue certainty will be replaced with the ability to adapt to uncertainty. We will then find it enjoyable to introduce change to any field of our existence. Our beliefs, over which we have slaughtered each other for so long, we will wear with ease, as if they were merely put on for the given occasion. We will be driven by the will to be part of society, rather than the need to govern it... Or not :)
djuri1985 8 months ago
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djuri1985 8 months ago
It's ironic because these guys live for their unsolved mathematical problems and then it kills them.
zoeyjusko 8 months ago
MAN WILL NEVER KNOW EVERYTHING. KNOWING EVERYTHING IS LIKE KNOWING GOD'S MIND.
PERFECTDIAMONDSTAR 8 months ago
The problem here is that it is our emotion. there's always this feeling that something is always incomplete. This feeling of incomplete it is what drive us human to keep searching and all caught up in a loop.
Opetlao 8 months ago
WOW Dr Louis sass really saids it well, I completely agree with Dr Louis. I have found myself in his words.
Opetlao 8 months ago
they should call these things "the devil's formulas", because they seem almost made to drive men insane. the mathematical version of the "lethal texts" - contemplate them long enough, and they'll kill you. of course, they must have been unstable to begin with, had minds that were easily shattered.... still, it's sad.
qwyzl 8 months ago
Infinity = there is no answer
Probability = calculated risk
Entropy = energy from one form to create another
Logic = deceiving the truth
looking at these Mathematical solution, I see leonardo da vinci drawing of a man with 2 bodies in a circle. Circle as infinity = Pi, Probability as 2 bodies, Entropy as 2 bodies repelled shape (tri and sq) and Logic as Man enclosed. Looking closely, if man can find Pi in relation to square and triangle which lost civilization used, we might get the answer
SCX2000SR 8 months ago
I am certain that the nature of man is evil
slack7639 8 months ago
o don't b so goddy and provey and asky
kuntyfucstik 8 months ago
i wonder what this twin tower-"PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE to another certainty" finale reference means....HMMM
Valness11 8 months ago
All these people went crazy, starved themselves etc. This world is an illusion, there is no certainty. It is a great goal to search for it, it is comforting to accept chaos...
steamboatalive 8 months ago
It would be nice if people stopped mentioning this 'god' character. He has nothing to do with the video.
uriituw 8 months ago
Perhaps the left brain being analytical and mathematical is a mechanical like entity. If you were to focus entirely on the logical alone the left brain only, would you then make yourself more susceptible to becoming stuck on the unsolvable? Maybe the right brain is a failsafe for this in a way. Perhaps we should learn from the greats and know not to commit yourself entirely to the left half. Balance is a good thing.
Denchanter357 9 months ago
its our intuition that is a gift from God
zipfreer 9 months ago
@zipfreer
my intuition says:- there's no god!
drzejmsbuond 8 months ago
@drzejmsbuond You will see one day sooner then u think! Just shows U have no intuition !!
zipfreer 8 months ago
@drzejmsbuond God is impossible.
ElijahMFearon 8 months ago
this series is amazing thank you for posting it =]
will50gor 9 months ago 2
who cares?
MrKaniyaw 9 months ago
Thanks for posting, great series.
rahxephon52 9 months ago 3
the book of daniel in the bible also tells of how Daniel could not understand the will of god because daniel's calculation were off. then an angel come to Daniel and told Daniel that he will be long in his grave before anyone can figure what the visions meant from god. the moral of the story is "get a life and enjoy it" because there will always be the question of faith. Hasn't mathematics destroyed faith just as Faith is also the driving force of mathematics for one's belief.
NoOneIsSafeAnymore 10 months ago
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@NoOneIsSafeAnymore Unfortunately (or fortunately for those who embrace uncertainty with acceptance), faith in anything requires imposing absolute certainty on reality. This always leads to disappointment when the uncertainty of reality manifests itself. The very nature of discovery requires letting go of absolutes to allow new ideas to grow. Faith in any fixed idea precludes expanding knowledge.
HighInfoSource 9 months ago 12
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@HighInfoSource Key sentences here that comfort me are....
"The very nature of discovery requires letting go of absolutes to allow new ideas to grow. Faith in any fixed idea precludes expanding knowledge."
Thank you so much! I can go to sleep now, for you put my mind at ease with these words. I'm in awe. The entire statement is amazing.
eyeluvcloe 6 months ago
@HighInfoSource I'm not convinced it's the most efficient position to equate 'absolutes' with 'certainty'. Effectively, you ought take a clue from your own position.
"I'm certain that all is uncertain."
It's not necessarily those that uncover absolutes within the uncertainty that are out of order.
D33veeoss 4 months ago
@HighInfoSource Well put.
olga2415 3 months ago
The end is beautiful, its makes us ask the question, Can we ever live with uncertainty, or instead trust ourselves to a certain principle? It must be, Can we ever lived with the fact that we will never explain our existence in this universe or try on forever to find the ultimate answer, the ultimate goal , the ultimate truth? In my opinion, is its beautiful both ways, to live in a state humbleness to the splendor of the unknown or keep searching for why we are here....Both are beautiful........
wardogmobius 10 months ago 3
@wardogmobius that's for those who don't know that the ultimate answer is 42... :)
djuri1985 8 months ago
@djuri1985 What you mean with 42 my friend?
wardogmobius 8 months ago
@wardogmobius Well in the book 'The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' the most advanced life form in the universe builds the most advance computer which is so big they needed to put it on the separate planet. Once they completed it they asked it to calculate the 'meaning of life'. After 100.000 years it came up with and answer: 42. Hehehe
djuri1985 8 months ago
@djuri1985 jajaja,,Thats extremely funny.....Coudn't stop laughing for a couple of seconds...jajaja...Good one....jajaja....
wardogmobius 8 months ago
This program is a mess. What is it about? It talks a lot about math but shares no equations. It talks about men's lives but it is not a biography. It talks about social change and radical ideas, but does not discuss their outcomes, so it is not a documentary. The genuinely smart modern mathmaticians' comments are lost because the rest of the program gives them no context. It was an explanation of mathmatical ideas, written by an historian, and presented as if it was an art school project.
tcbcapri 10 months ago
Sooooo... What's this 'pair o' docks' they speak of?
PS thanks so much for sharing/ posting.
mooseasaurusrex 10 months ago
@hoipojac the WHY and the HOW supply missing links in between each other that support a better understanding
evilgeniusact 10 months ago
Great documentary. I finally know authors of theories, which i'm studying at school.
SummerbreezeOne 10 months ago
excellent documentary...thumbs up!
NeverMindTheSnow 10 months ago
The consciousness which is now reading this, is the reality of INFINITY that these men tried to capture.
An endlessness which can not be grasp by the mind.
But rather an endlessness that is what we all genuinely are.
An endless infinity that can not be understood, but can be acutely lived as the foundational truth of what I am, what all IS.
JamesThomas 10 months ago
I don't mean to be rude, but some of the psuedo-philosophy posted here is confusing and unprovable.
Mathematics values clarity. "Meaning of life" speculation is confusing and unclear.
If it cannot be proven, why waste your time thinking about it?
It may or may not be true - so why bother with it? I can't understand why people speculate about meaning.
I want to know HOW things work. Not why.
HioPojac 10 months ago
I'm 16, and get somewhat-below-average grades in math and science. Yet I just watched this entire documentary start-to-finish and soaked in everything that was said.
TheWildSeraph 10 months ago
@TheWildSeraph Perhaps it might encourage you to work a bit harder, and achieve good grades in science and mathematics. You might enjoy the subjects alot.
HioPojac 10 months ago
@HioPojac I usually do enjoy them, I was trying to say that I usually can't understand the subjects at all, yet I could get this just fine. But it was 5AM at the time of writing that comment, you can't really blame me for being bad at explaining myself!
TheWildSeraph 10 months ago
@TheWildSeraph No, perhaps I was unclear, rather than you- I meant if you put more time into studying science and maths, you may find yourself understanding them more easily. That has been my experience with most subjects.
Especially mathematics...since you enjoy them already, it won't be a grind to study more...that way you'll be able to understand them and achieve better grades...and more importantly you'll learn more interesting content.
HioPojac 10 months ago
I love BBC. They allowed me to discover so many things I have never known and wants to know. The internet and computer are one of the best inventions for mankind.
enastaciah 10 months ago
Oh no, people looking up at a skyscraper and a violin playing! I may just have to kill myself now. It's all more than I can take!
MagiMysteryTour 10 months ago
Who bites into a hard boiled egg that he has only partially, and very poorly, peeled?
MagiMysteryTour 10 months ago
WoW! This show really gives new meaning to the word "Mad Science"
About the God and religion thing. No matter how much we progress in science and technology, We will never prove( or disprove) there is a god. As humans, We will always want to believe in a higher power.
At one time we believed that heaven was on top of the clouds. that was dis proven later on by the jet age. So where do put heaven now? deep in space, In another dimension? Somewhere inaccessible by humans of coarse.
joyange1 10 months ago
The question of the 21st century is whether man will fall back into religious and conservative ideas. These are the enemies of progress.
Einstein seemed to have a very different idea of god than Godel did. Godel wished his god to be personal and real.. Einstein was happy with using the word 'god' to describe the mystery of the universe. Godel's wish thinking seemed to be what was driving him mad. Naturally, wish thinking always does.
MrTruthAddict 11 months ago
@MrTruthAddict Wish thinking always drives people mad? That doesn't seem like a demonstrably true statement. Please provide evidence that wish-thinking always drives people mad.
HioPojac 10 months ago
Thanks for the upload... now im going to ponder about this for a while !
asapee222 11 months ago
our mind is what make us human but it is not the only thing that makes us human, we also have bodies and spirits. we have to exercise those too. we have to seek a balance. it doesn't matter if you're an artist, an athlete, an intellectual, or a drug addict. your life is finite and you only have one. don't lock yourself away from the rest of life to contemplate infinite infinities or whatever. it will kill you or, you will end up killing yourself. learn but love and laugh a little bit too.
MrMeanderthal 11 months ago
So, we must be certain that uncertainty can be relied upon. That's actually comforting to me. Are the primitive competition and territorial protection instincts really necessary to refine intellectual pursuits? My answer is no; It's just the remains of the intimidation, barbarism and savagery that religion of the Common Era has imposed upon us. It is the Inquisition forced the illusion of a concrete God. What's your answer? Just as the electrons we are made of, we must also be what we are not.
kavalkid1 11 months ago
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well done, sir!
tachios85 11 months ago
I don't buy this "math made me nuts" romance.
It seems more probable that these sensitive people were driven over the edge through the scornful, even violent rejection they received from their peers, communities and institutions.
The same happens to groundbreakers in all fields who challenge our descriptions of reality. Artists, musicians, and scientists.
nilocke 11 months ago 71
@nilocke totally agree!!!
Nuijin007 9 months ago
@nilocke math may not have made them nuts but it may have made them more prone to going there. If all of your peers attack you emotionally. You would seek to avoid this. Thus it would mean thinking less about feelings or emotions. The right brains specialty.
Denchanter357 9 months ago
@nilocke Math didn't "make them nuts" - the quest for certainty by a powerful mind did.
"Men of broader intellect know that there is no sharp distinction betwixt the real and the unreal; that all things appear as they do only by virtue of the delicate individual physical and mental media through which we are made conscious of them; but the prosaic materialism of the majority condemns as madness the flashes of super-sight which penetrate the common veil of obvious empiricism." - H.P. Lovecraft
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nilocke 6 months ago
@nilocke Glad to see some Lovecraft love. That quote struck me when I first read it - as I too have embarked on a personal quest for certainty... and come up empty handed. Methinks it was a path better left untrodden.
SkormFlinxingGlock 6 months ago
@nilocke your theory is wrong, sadly it has been high rated for all to be misled...if you look at the great savants even those who were received by society you notice most die out young Mozart, Paganini , blues Jackson etc also there are those who lived to be old regardless of being NOT accepted e.g. Galileo Einstein etc.
One thing holds true though, all great thinkers agree that knowledge gets dangerous the deeper we go in, especially when with naive minds
TheVariableConstant 6 months ago
@TheVariableConstant Sadly I think you've missed the point. Knowledge is not inherently safe or dangerous. That is preposterous.
Math is not cruel to people, but humans certainly are, especially when their paradigms are challenged by 'weirdos'. Your examples of Gallileo, Einstein, Mozart are perfect and tragic examples of this. There are plenty more.
"Deep and Dangerous Knowledge" is romantic nonsense from the dark ages. The cruelty of humans is real, precedented, easily observable and obvious.
nilocke 6 months ago
@nilocke i proved your theory wrong, regardless of the cruel nature of humans, people are still able to go past the scorn. i mentioned ppl who were accepted by all yet died tragicly and miserably, i can go on and on.
correlation between knowledge and insanity is nothing romantic...unless you are a sadist...it's the nature of the beast. why else do secret societies have iniciations? why do you think there is the term denial? or information overload? adios!
TheVariableConstant 6 months ago
@TheVariableConstant Gallileo was "accepted" through life imprisonment and ex-communication?? huh?
You've only "proved" that you don't know what you're talking about.
Let's simplify: If knowledge is dangerous, then how does progress work?
DaVinci and Stephen Hawking are good examples of people who were supported and thrived. Those in the video were treated horribly and withered.
Hm, can you spot the difference? How do you act when treated well vs poorly?
Secret societies lol. "Adios" indeed.
nilocke 6 months ago
@nilocke It was not the rejection of their ideas which drove them to insanity. It was the idea itself. In the case of Boltzmann what you said might be true. But in Goedel's case it simply wasn't.
vaibhav1P 6 months ago
@nilocke
Indeed, our world is driven by the accepted lies of a corruptable and corrupt bureaucratic fake justice system, using propaganda to justify it's deeds.
The bureaucrats can not understand, but they have the LEGAL power to form societies as to fit THEIR (corrupt) ideals. It's in the system, the corruptable bureaucratic justice system.
LiteWaiter 5 months ago
@nilocke Thats what happened to all of them. Thats what the documentary says!!....all their ideas were scary to the people surrounding them at that time...and they were to pushed to the brink(Eg: Boltzmann)...i dont think the documentary says that they went mad purely because of math....
pradtheprophet 5 months ago
@pradtheprophet ,sometimes the social structure,sometimes the Political Establishment ,sometimes the Scientific Community, sometimes their own mental structures.
jorgecalivalle 4 months ago
@nilocke THANK you for being rational enough to post this! Kudos to you!
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@nilocke
Godel DID NOT go nuts because others didn't accept his ideas.
BeondaPale 4 months ago
@nilocke might be true. We can't really read human's mind yet. So we don't know which is true- external factors or internal factors or both being imbalance that drove groundbreakers to their edge of sanity. but we do know that this may led some people to think, ignorance is a bliss.
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nilocke 11 months ago
the certainty of uncertainty is made certain by the uncertainty of the that which we seek to make certain?
GnaReffotsirk 11 months ago
to prove the unprovable is to fail at every way to prove it?
GnaReffotsirk 11 months ago
I was hoping that the plane hits the building :p
kurdishleader 11 months ago
Starting at 4:00, there's a very strange, almost subliminal montage clearly designed to evoke emotions tied to 9/11... Which seems inappropriate, and perhaps even a manipulative attempt to leave us feeling afraid at the end. Not sure why, but there it is.
citizenmediaman 11 months ago
The only thing i'm certain of is that BBC4 used to be better than it is now.
matrags 11 months ago
As a Computer Science student, I Always wished Turing have lived , it made me cry ,.... He was such a open minded person brought new science to computer science ... chaos theory !!!
The evolutionary algorithms, I believe todays AI field would have expanded if he had lived and bought more "Chaos" to computer science.
He took away all the knowledge with him :( .
josyula547 11 months ago
Bravo!
KraussHelmut 11 months ago
9/11 WTF! bastards
geoff1424 11 months ago
The 1/10 has 360k views... this (10/10) only has 66k views... aprox 300k viewers gave up in 1 day... Cantor didn't gave up in his life... being a human rules... average humanity sucks
IncuManiac696 1 year ago 3
If you believe in uncertainty then you have certainty, we want certainty but if you like uncertainty then it is certainly what you want, so certainty is available if you accept the uncertainty.
deanmullen10 1 year ago
I like thinking deeply but this can scare one from thinking deeply then again the worries of deep thinking is what leads to madness so if anyone is like me and willing to think deeply, just embrace its complexity and enjoy its results and then we can avoid madness.
deanmullen10 1 year ago
Deuteronomy 29:29 may apply here. I wonder if there is a limit that we humans may not be able to breach. Perhaps, as was intimated early on, God still holds the paradox and it's safe with Him. I love grappling with this. It is so stimulating.
I also noticed that not everyone who started this series saw every section. Seems that about the same amount that started it, finished it. So I guess they bogged down in the middle and skipped to the end. They missed so much.
stxrynn 1 year ago
I think the author of this documentary is pushing his point way too much.
Math is fine, but not mixing it with trendy stuff like modernism and social changes and all, or bringing it down to navel-gazing, or "clinging to certainty."
Perhaps the problems of these scientists was the same as that of Pythagoras, who was appauled at the discovery of irrational numbers. Now we have no problem with irrational numbers, we welcome them, they make life more interesting.
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
So it wasn't human mind as such, but the mind of those humans that was limited.
Perhaps the Hindu concept of lila (game) is helpful here. The view that life, creation, universe is no more than the game of the gods. Just like on chess or backgammon, pieves are set, played, then put back into the box, so everything, including logic, is temporary: it comes form notingness and goes back into nothingness.
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
And the gods who have made the game also eventually go back into nothingness, since they are part of a greater game played by greater gods.
But helpless pieces in the game He plays
Upon this chequer-board of Nights and Days
He hither and thither moves, and checks ... and slays
Then one by one, back in the Closet lays - Omar Khayyam
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Btw, Cantor's continuum hypothesis has been solved by Paul Cohen. It's a very interesting solution, where he proves that the hypothesis can neither be proved nor disproved, so one can say yes or say no. And Cohen did not go crazy or kill hhimself.
Kurtlane 1 year ago
@Kurtlane I agree partly but at the same time, the men described lived in a certain period of history and they were not uneffected. The context, to some extent, made them and killed them... Politics, social sphere and religion can not be completely disregarded.
ThelastJohnSilver 11 months ago
the human race is still in its infancy and so yet has to evolve beyond beliefs because you will fight to defend a belief but you will only ever converse your point of view.
great post thanks DorianDawn!
fivedinners 1 year ago
Absolutely fantastic programme.. that much I AM certain of.. or am I..??
obregado18 1 year ago
merci!
carsanookdotcom 1 year ago
Brilliant Minds, brilliant programme.. Learn more from these Documentaries than I ever did at school...
210165AJK 1 year ago 2
can't get enough of these videos... i wish i could live long enough to learn more...
happyheartman 1 year ago
In later life, Gödel suffered periods of mental instability and illness. He had an obsessive fear of being poisoned; he would only eat food his wife, Adele, prepared for him. Late in 1977, Adele was hospitalized for six months and could not make Gödel's food anymore. In her absence, he refused to eat, eventually starving himself to death. He weighed approximately 30 kg when he died on January 14, 1978
entoris476 1 year ago
I'm sorry but as good as this documentary is, it loses my interest in maths, physics & science as a whole.
giriisindahouse 1 year ago
@giriisindahouse
Science requires faith in the existence of answers (even if it is irrational).
Besides, Godel may not have addressed an arithmetical system with an infinite number of axioms...
Hrimpurstala 1 year ago
The only certainty is that we are certain to die!
gregpent 1 year ago
@gregpent what makes you think we are alive so that we can die? what if we are actually alive in sperm form, transition into human form and when we die we transition into something else. i think the only certainty is that we don't exist. define love, define existence, intuition, mathematics, universe...i am going insane..define insane..define definition...what the fuck am i doing?
boghdan2000 1 year ago
@boghdan2000
looooooooooool
utubemoister 1 year ago
@boghdan2000 "Put your largest finger deep in your ass and youll find the answers your are looking for" thats is my theorem
eusttak 1 year ago
Why these minds when so crazy just to come up with a formula for infinity, or a perfect organize empire, or a formula for intuition? Why can't they just say to them selves "I will never know everything and to live my life by doing the best that I can."
goatcheez81 1 year ago
@goatcheez81
The sensation that in a moment one has glimpsed the fingerprints of God (even if it is only Spinoza's "God or Nature") can have a powerful allure.
The problem is that these men all had other mental health issues - which both helped and made them vulnerable to their work. We need to watch and care for our mathematicians.
Hrimpurstala 1 year ago
why are we trying to understand something we have never seen? lets just hope that one day we are able to vissit other worlds and if human kind survive till the ends of time and ever sees all the galaxy's and understand how things work there then.. and only then humankind might be able to understand (and maybe even calculate the cardinal numbers and find) the law behind infinity.( but i doubt it)
dangerTOyou 1 year ago
ok,my mind might be too small to even comprehent what these great minds were thinkin off,but i do know this; earth is a tiny spek in this as far as we know,colosol universe wich seems to be unendingly big,so who's to say that those infinit numbers of galaxy let a lone stars and planets consist of the same principles of laws of nature as our milky way. maybe it's only this spiral arm of the milky way we find our selfs in that consist of this law.
dangerTOyou 1 year ago
i find it funny and odd that all those great human minds knew that the laws of nature/physics is sertain and unsurtain at the same time. you can not have one with out the other,but yet they tried to understand it and drove themselfs crazy. our human minds is not capable of understanding the laws of the cosmos,not yet anyway maybe in the future. its like darkness and light,matter and anti matter,life and dead, how can the one exist without the other?
dangerTOyou 1 year ago
The answer to life is a paradox
mexicanguy8 1 year ago
its funny how it starts out with over 100 thousand views and at the last vid its under 60 thousand..lol
BuMbA333 1 year ago
@BuMbA333 what is more peculiar is that the previous part has about half the views as this one.
orgminyak 1 year ago
Long before we obtain a consciousness of civilization, we all are capable to understand our needs for shelters.
beancube2010 1 year ago
Our modern technology have no doubt capable to house every single individual of this world but what have we done and haven't not done? Are we seeing anything different about our educationally drawing lines on humanity?
beancube2010 1 year ago