The Definition of Morality - Part 5 of 5

[GameOfThriving]

Does anyone know if the speaker has addressed the complaint that his own research uses two examples where there is an explicit authority (a teacher, an officer on a ship) and the person being "punished" is breaking the rules of the context they are in (disrupting the class, dereliction of duty)?

[nurktwin1960]

In this final segment on The Definition of Morality, Stich alludes to "Friday's talk" where he supposedly will go into more detail about his own hypothesis about what morality is. Was this next lecture ever filmed?

It kind of left me dangling.

[Mthooz]

OMG! OMG! Do you have the "next Lecture" that Stich refers to in his slide at 4:43???

DOES ANYONE???

[nurktwin1960]

Thank you so much for uploading this series of lectures. I've been reading Stich's work on morality for about five years and it's wonderful to see a live lecture of him. A lot of my own thinking seems to dovetail with Stich's, as I think our concept of morality is more complicated than most people think.

[blahovej]

Nice video, thanks...

Just two comments:

- the concept of "harm" is quite vage - i.e. calling a teacher by his first name could be seen as harm of certain kind in societes more focused on institutional autority and honor

- it could be interesting to consider later McIntyre work - namely After Virtue. His hypothesis seems to be supported with these results.

[riversonthemoon]

Thanks. More on the way.

Cultures of honor would probably see such an offense as harm, but I think on Turiel's view, the method of addressing a teacher would be considered a conventional rule, due to being limited geographically and temporally.

I haven't read After Virtue, just heard some of McIntyre's view predigested by others. I think he has some very interesting things to say, but his idea of 'goods internal to practice' needs more limitations. Torture and genocide are practices, too.

:-)

[blahovej]

'By a practice I am going to mean any coherent and complex form of socially established co-operative human activity through which goods internal to that form of activity are realised in the course of trying to achieve those standards of excellence which are appropriate to, and partially definitive of, that form of activity, with the result that human powers to achieve excellence, and human conceptions of the ends and goods involved, are systematically extended'.( After Virtue, p. 187).

[blahovej]

if I understand this, troture and genocide are not "inherent" goods...

[riversonthemoon]

Thanks for your response. As I said, I'm not that familiar with McIntyre's work, so I'm glad to have the opportunity to wet my feet.

I wasn't saying that torture and genocide were inherent goods, rather that they were practices. And I think both of them fit McIntyre's definition of a practice as stated above, and would therefore have their own standards of excellence, ends and even 'goods' internal to those practices.

[blahovej]

yes! sorry for the unclean expression. I´ll be back :-)

[riversonthemoon]

No sweat!

And thanks again for subscribing. I just left a comment on your channel page.

[blahovej]

sh*t... my comment just dissapeared.

so in short:

1) Good poitn - but I am still not sure what would count as "internal good" of practice of torture. Gain of Information or certain sadistic pleasure would probably be "external good" in McIntyre´s terminology...

2) anyway - later on - chapter XIV. McIntyre suggests, that "practice" is not moraly good per se, but is also subordinated to moral critique - because of the notion of interconnectednes of practice-virtue-telos cluster.

[riversonthemoon]

"not sure what would count as "internal good" of practice of torture"

I suppose according to the definition above that it would be where 'human conceptions of the ends and goods involved, are systematically extended'. So I guess innovation that accomplishes the ends better would be an increase in the standards of excellence?

Perhaps bringing to bear a moral critique of the practice as you suggested would deal with these difficult cases. I'll definitely read the book when I get time.

Thanks.

[hilbert54]

Excellent.

Are you going to upload the continuation lecture?

[riversonthemoon]

I'm not sure if I have the one immediately following this one, but I'll upload more of them soon, maybe today.

I happy you liked it.

[somor98]

Fuckin brilliant lecture!

[riversonthemoon]

It's well worth it. Let me know what you think.

[ooglebydoogleby]

im going to watch all the parts