Great movie. There is a scene in which Parker is going to see Buster Franklin, and enters the theather when he is playing. The bass player is playing a Musicman Stingray bass, which maybe Marty McFly took with him from the future and gave it to the guy, LOL...small detail on an otherwise great movie.
At this oint in his life, he was a full-blown junkie. No one would hire him. So he took a gig with these Jewish people, just for a little money. He was improvising on his horn, and it could have turned ugly. But the old dudu realized his passion. And he kicked some ass.
@jazzfolkrocker ....These are traditional chord changes with bebop scales being played over them after the melody is played a couple of times...Its quite creative.
is this song actually a traditional jewish song or is it just played in that style? does anyone know the name of it? i'd be interested in seeing the full sheet music for it.
Every, and I mean EVERY movie over does the mannerisms of musicians. If you watch Round Midnight even the REAL jazz musicians in there stupidly over did there mannerisms probably because some director told them!!!
I agree. As a saxophonist and Bird fan, it was so annoying watching Forrest Whitaker in this movie. Despite his great acting capabilities, Whitaker did not at all move or talk like Bird. This just added to my disappointment with the movie--a movie which missed an opportunity to win fans of many people who otherwise had no exposure to such a musical genius.
I think you're missing the point... Even in his lifetime he was a man of legend... everyone had a different story about him, and even in the biographies we don't always know which were true and which weren't true because it was customary for musicians to tell stories of "the time I met Bird" - - furthermore, during his life, some people associated with him for destructive reasons... and after people claimed to know him for personal glorification. The fact was that in 1988
...(con't) Jazz was not so popular... and it was nice of Eastwood to try to tell his story. (It had been done once before in a film called SWEET LOVE BITTER) - - Because of the movie a lot of people who were born after the fact wound up becoming interested in him, so I don't think all the complaining back then made sense... it told the story and let people hear his music. Some people said that his personal problems were overemphasized but it was a DRAMATIC FILM, not a documentary.
I don't think that anyone missed the point : ) . The point here is that jazzgent and I were distracted by the exaggerated movements of actors portraying musicians. It was "nice" of Eastwood to tell a story, but there is so much more which could have been done (in other words, it's not good enough to just put up any ol' story). Moreover, the movie was-in my view-disjunct; tried too hard to cram too much in; and failed to emphasize his music (which is why he was a "legend").
(cont.). I disagree with the premise that telling Bird's story was made difficult by the being unable to separate fact from fiction. In 1988 (and the prior production years), many people in Bird's life were alive. It's easy to cross reference facts with a variety of credible sources and rule out the incredible. To keep from being too long, I view this film as a missed opportunity to show people why Bird was so great; you are apparently satisfied. Either view is cool-but mine is better!!!.
I see what you're saying, but the fact is, if you ask my ex-wife and any subsequent wives or employers about me, as well as current and former friends you're going to get very different pictures. People who know someone closely sometimes keep secrets out of respect of love ones, and when you're dealing with the music industry, club owners and a whole slew of characters you're dealing with touchy territory. I think the music in the soundtrack spoke for itself... Sure for me...
(con't) I would have been far more interested in seeing the roots of the creative process... as a musician I personally understand that Parker split the atom and even today, a lot of his concepts aren't fully understood, including how he was able to invent an entire new musical language in such a short period of time (the story of Cherokee aside) - - that said, its Hollywood... Either way, if you haven't seen SWEET LOVE BITTER, you're missing out.
Actually the people who are saying Forrest Whittaker over did his portrayal of Parker is right. He was a virtuoso he did not have to try so hard to play his notes. It could be that he played like that at the party, but I don't think so. Not that my opinion matters.
In addition to the "Hot House" video, there is the "Celerity" video (in which the musicians "faked" playing to a playback of their own music), the countless photos of Bird playing, the numerous musicians Bird played with who were still alive in 1989 (or in 1988 when the movie was made) who should have been consulted, the audio interviews of Bird to capture his verbal nuances, and so forth. I'mma 'bout to run outta space; please see my comments to jazzgent for more.
@brooksvilleguy Well, they missed it in other places...when Bird goes to the theather where Buster Franklin plays, the bass player is playing a Musicman Stingray, which was not designed and constructed until the seventies, lol...
Great movie. There is a scene in which Parker is going to see Buster Franklin, and enters the theather when he is playing. The bass player is playing a Musicman Stingray bass, which maybe Marty McFly took with him from the future and gave it to the guy, LOL...small detail on an otherwise great movie.
TheSRalston 1 month ago
Perchè il pianista sembra philly joe jones??:O
Brucso91 2 months ago
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lokanta100 2 months ago
om g...thi sis not bird!!!! bah!!! lol
theouter9 4 months ago
this is bare good blud
cwzialor 4 months ago
At this oint in his life, he was a full-blown junkie. No one would hire him. So he took a gig with these Jewish people, just for a little money. He was improvising on his horn, and it could have turned ugly. But the old dudu realized his passion. And he kicked some ass.
josephlee57 4 months ago 2
what's a jazz drummer doing at a jewish wedding gig if it's supposed to be folk songs?
saxophoneninja 7 months ago
@saxophoneninja es parte de la pelicula bibliografica de BIRD
rastabokero 6 months ago
playing over in the minor would have been to easy for Parker
decus69 7 months ago
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decus69 7 months ago
@jazzfolkrocker ....These are traditional chord changes with bebop scales being played over them after the melody is played a couple of times...Its quite creative.
nickeyparadise 10 months ago 2
The Jewish 'Red Rodney' on trumpet.
BuckshotLaFunke 1 year ago
What is this song named
TJSax1986 1 year ago
belive me, many musicians have bigger mannerisms than in this movie ..
deadzior 1 year ago
is this song actually a traditional jewish song or is it just played in that style? does anyone know the name of it? i'd be interested in seeing the full sheet music for it.
jazzfolkrocker 1 year ago
this guy clearly has never seen Bird play before, he moves his to wildly, Bird was a great, calm musician
davedelic1 2 years ago
@davedelic1 they didnt have youtube in the80's
mjjcng8958 11 months ago
they should make a movie about Wes Montgomery
fpadilla671 2 years ago 2
I agree , and let me play the lead
Johnny
johnnyguitarcarson 2 years ago
Every, and I mean EVERY movie over does the mannerisms of musicians. If you watch Round Midnight even the REAL jazz musicians in there stupidly over did there mannerisms probably because some director told them!!!
jazzgent 2 years ago
I agree. As a saxophonist and Bird fan, it was so annoying watching Forrest Whitaker in this movie. Despite his great acting capabilities, Whitaker did not at all move or talk like Bird. This just added to my disappointment with the movie--a movie which missed an opportunity to win fans of many people who otherwise had no exposure to such a musical genius.
Glove398 2 years ago
I think you're missing the point... Even in his lifetime he was a man of legend... everyone had a different story about him, and even in the biographies we don't always know which were true and which weren't true because it was customary for musicians to tell stories of "the time I met Bird" - - furthermore, during his life, some people associated with him for destructive reasons... and after people claimed to know him for personal glorification. The fact was that in 1988
amazingeddie 2 years ago
...(con't) Jazz was not so popular... and it was nice of Eastwood to try to tell his story. (It had been done once before in a film called SWEET LOVE BITTER) - - Because of the movie a lot of people who were born after the fact wound up becoming interested in him, so I don't think all the complaining back then made sense... it told the story and let people hear his music. Some people said that his personal problems were overemphasized but it was a DRAMATIC FILM, not a documentary.
amazingeddie 2 years ago
I don't think that anyone missed the point : ) . The point here is that jazzgent and I were distracted by the exaggerated movements of actors portraying musicians. It was "nice" of Eastwood to tell a story, but there is so much more which could have been done (in other words, it's not good enough to just put up any ol' story). Moreover, the movie was-in my view-disjunct; tried too hard to cram too much in; and failed to emphasize his music (which is why he was a "legend").
Glove398 2 years ago
(cont.). I disagree with the premise that telling Bird's story was made difficult by the being unable to separate fact from fiction. In 1988 (and the prior production years), many people in Bird's life were alive. It's easy to cross reference facts with a variety of credible sources and rule out the incredible. To keep from being too long, I view this film as a missed opportunity to show people why Bird was so great; you are apparently satisfied. Either view is cool-but mine is better!!!.
Glove398 2 years ago
I see what you're saying, but the fact is, if you ask my ex-wife and any subsequent wives or employers about me, as well as current and former friends you're going to get very different pictures. People who know someone closely sometimes keep secrets out of respect of love ones, and when you're dealing with the music industry, club owners and a whole slew of characters you're dealing with touchy territory. I think the music in the soundtrack spoke for itself... Sure for me...
amazingeddie 2 years ago
(con't) I would have been far more interested in seeing the roots of the creative process... as a musician I personally understand that Parker split the atom and even today, a lot of his concepts aren't fully understood, including how he was able to invent an entire new musical language in such a short period of time (the story of Cherokee aside) - - that said, its Hollywood... Either way, if you haven't seen SWEET LOVE BITTER, you're missing out.
amazingeddie 2 years ago
Actually the people who are saying Forrest Whittaker over did his portrayal of Parker is right. He was a virtuoso he did not have to try so hard to play his notes. It could be that he played like that at the party, but I don't think so. Not that my opinion matters.
JULEZJAZZ 2 years ago
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Agreed. Please see my reply to jazzgent above.
Glove398 2 years ago
What a stupid interpretation of Parker's personality, way over exaggerated
ReggaesRockers 2 years ago
how do you know? theres only like 2 pieces of film of Parker that exist
coronachilla 2 years ago 2
The footage of him playing shows he's more mellow...
ReggaesRockers 2 years ago
dude he's faking it in the video, he's sort of lip syncing. dont be so naive
coronachilla 2 years ago
I'm talking about his real footage moron
ReggaesRockers 2 years ago
In addition to the "Hot House" video, there is the "Celerity" video (in which the musicians "faked" playing to a playback of their own music), the countless photos of Bird playing, the numerous musicians Bird played with who were still alive in 1989 (or in 1988 when the movie was made) who should have been consulted, the audio interviews of Bird to capture his verbal nuances, and so forth. I'mma 'bout to run outta space; please see my comments to jazzgent for more.
Glove398 2 years ago
what attention to detail! red rodney is playing a real vintage martin committee!!
brooksvilleguy 3 years ago
@brooksvilleguy Well, they missed it in other places...when Bird goes to the theather where Buster Franklin plays, the bass player is playing a Musicman Stingray, which was not designed and constructed until the seventies, lol...
TheSRalston 1 month ago
"Chudnik! These are not Juvish boys, but good!"
haupper 3 years ago
"Don´t ask. Don´t ASK!"
BirdLives88 2 years ago
this great scene i think is a delice for john zorn
valentynesuite 3 years ago
Do you know what is the name of this song?
pabloh 3 years ago
To me, this is the movie that best defines Clint Eastwood as a brilliant director and Forrest Whitaker as a gifted actor.
redflags123 4 years ago
I love the way Bird went all bebop on this. That old man was like wtf and saw everyone was having fun and said f it.
JULEZJAZZ 4 years ago