idk why don't they use steam trains intead of diesel trains don't take me wrong diesel trains are good too but these steam trains are better looking then what the diesel trains are. i also think they a man job because they dont have air conditioned cabs besides sticking your head out of the window
@kirbyfan600 They don't do much if you correct them immediately, but if you just let the wheels keep spinning, it can really tear up the track and the engine itself. Sometimes it can literally destroy the driving and connecting rods, since they aren't designed to run as fast as the wheels are spinning.
Nice! I was up there a week ago and both trains (train 1 had 480, train 2 had 486) into town worked right up that grade and thru the curve without even a hint of a slip. Three years ago I saw a serious slip session like this, but I was down at the depot and had no video camera. This time, waiting at the curve with video camera...nothing! It was cool to hear the blasts from the stack echoing off of the mountain across the river! I'll post my vids soon.
Info on the locomotive: The locomotive is former Denver & Rio Grande Western 480 2-8-2 3ft gauge locomotives classified as a K-36 built in 1925 by Baldwin It and its 9 siblings 480-489 were the largest narrow gauge steam engines ever built in the US. (The K-37 was larger but was orignally standard gauge) All ten of the K-36 engines survive except for 485 and all nine that survive operate except for 483.
@southparkline1 the 'k' stands for mikado (2-8-2) and the 36 represents 36,000 pounds of tractive effort. Boiler operates on 195 psi. weighs 143 tons. Locomotive # 485 fell into a turntable and eas scrapped for parts :)
No in the old days (Probably when most of the cars were made on that train)
The brakemen had to go out and release each set of brakes on each car by turning a brakewheel, What I meant by what i Said in my previous comment is that perhaps all the brakes are not full released..
The town sprays a calcium deposit onto the road to keep dust down, however this also gets on the rails and makes them very slick. The consist is also bound up in the curve and being shoved uphill.
One things for sure... its valve timing is dead on. The rolling resistance of the flanges pushing the dirt out of the way would be a pain.
Like Reddog15 said, steam tractive effort is a bit hard to handle. They can pull anything once it's moving, but just don't try to start out. Diesels are just the opposite, they can start a train they can't pull.
It's all in how the machines put the power to the rails. Steam has 4 "power" strokes per revolution, where as diesel is essentially continuous from the traction motors. Diesel is limited by HP, more specifically kW it can generate to drive the motors. Steam's power is basically at a specific speed.
I can tell you from experience, it takes some finesse to handle the throttle on a slippery steam engine. It's fun though!
Wouldn't the sander solve this minor problem? If they put on the sander, it wouldn't slip... or is that just used on icey tracks? The train is pretty, you can barely find these kinds.
sanders really only work on our engines as the train is moving forward, if the train was moving forward it would work but here it is backing up and the video looks like it is from May where you can still have a good amount of snow and ice in Silverton.
@kirkness333 This engine is known as a k-36, and about the hard to find thing, there are 9 in existence and 7 of them operate. about the sanders, maybe they were out of sand, otherwise that is a good Question.
A slight incline and a dirty track combine with the fact that starting tractive effort is not so great on steam locomotives to produce this wheel slip. Thanks for viewing!
the train is also backing up and the sanders do not work while backing up on our engines. Also that time of year in SIlverton it is still cold and stuff is still freezing at night so the rails also become icy and muddy with snow and stuff.
Now that's something ,hands down ,you don't see everyday.
dragonriversteel 2 months ago
That is simply a beautiful sight and sound.
6V92TA 4 months ago
idk why don't they use steam trains intead of diesel trains don't take me wrong diesel trains are good too but these steam trains are better looking then what the diesel trains are. i also think they a man job because they dont have air conditioned cabs besides sticking your head out of the window
Randommike1000 5 months ago
wheel slips are awesome, who agrees with me?
pennyf9 1 year ago 5
i watch a lot of wheel slip vids but it is because of the sound,. it just sounds so cool
aswmkid3 1 year ago
they could at least sprinkle some sand on the rails
kirbyfan600 1 year ago
i love that sound, is it a 4 strock steamengine
vishnukartha47 1 year ago
what do wheel slips do? that are bad am curios.
kirbyfan600 1 year ago
@kirbyfan600 They don't do much if you correct them immediately, but if you just let the wheels keep spinning, it can really tear up the track and the engine itself. Sometimes it can literally destroy the driving and connecting rods, since they aren't designed to run as fast as the wheels are spinning.
Gunny761 1 year ago
@Gunny761 thank you
kirbyfan600 1 year ago
Nice! I was up there a week ago and both trains (train 1 had 480, train 2 had 486) into town worked right up that grade and thru the curve without even a hint of a slip. Three years ago I saw a serious slip session like this, but I was down at the depot and had no video camera. This time, waiting at the curve with video camera...nothing! It was cool to hear the blasts from the stack echoing off of the mountain across the river! I'll post my vids soon.
espeescotty 1 year ago
Info on the locomotive: The locomotive is former Denver & Rio Grande Western 480 2-8-2 3ft gauge locomotives classified as a K-36 built in 1925 by Baldwin It and its 9 siblings 480-489 were the largest narrow gauge steam engines ever built in the US. (The K-37 was larger but was orignally standard gauge) All ten of the K-36 engines survive except for 485 and all nine that survive operate except for 483.
southparkline1 1 year ago
@southparkline1 the 'k' stands for mikado (2-8-2) and the 36 represents 36,000 pounds of tractive effort. Boiler operates on 195 psi. weighs 143 tons. Locomotive # 485 fell into a turntable and eas scrapped for parts :)
skybluedragonator 1 year ago
you know you got torque when...
E34BMW535i 1 year ago
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Hahahahah Stupid engineer is the problem you start out slowly...
What an idiot.
meguell3 2 years ago
Maybe he was going uphill. Or he was a retard! lol.
mcr0928 2 years ago
Agreed!!!
But that looks like a very low gradient...
Perhaps all the cars hadnt released the brakes yet?
meguell3 2 years ago
@meguell3 Oh! I never thought about the cars being braked.. wait, if there braked would the engine move? Or would it just ride the brakes?
mcr0928 2 years ago
No in the old days (Probably when most of the cars were made on that train)
The brakemen had to go out and release each set of brakes on each car by turning a brakewheel, What I meant by what i Said in my previous comment is that perhaps all the brakes are not full released..
It's a precise science ya know...
meguell3 2 years ago
"Lay on the sand Johnny!" Great video. These are my favorite engines personally.
legokid900 2 years ago 3
how many wagons are behind the 4-8-0? 20?
Buemmo 2 years ago 2
the looco is a 2-8-2
tweetsie12190 2 years ago
Its 12 cars and its a 2-8-2 not a 4-8-0
skybluedragonator 1 year ago
pretty hard to see... anyway thx :)
Buemmo 1 year ago
@Buemmo at first i thougt it was a 4-8-4
skybluedragonator 1 year ago
Train drifto! :P
EvilCerealBoX 2 years ago
lol "Need More SAND!"
UPrailroad 2 years ago
Must be some thing wrong with the sand boxes !!!!
Akilanka 2 years ago
very nice video
durangoandsilverton 2 years ago
Those are some steep mountains, it must be scary to be up there, and your damn drivers start slipping!
needlove1982 2 years ago
The town sprays a calcium deposit onto the road to keep dust down, however this also gets on the rails and makes them very slick. The consist is also bound up in the curve and being shoved uphill.
JaiahHazelnutBrown 3 years ago 4
Thanks for your insight into this!
reddog15 3 years ago
I just love watching those huge counterweights churning. Great to watch!
vth5 3 years ago 2
AS the railroaders say,
"a steamer can pull a train it cant start, and a diesel can start a train it cat pull.
WhyAyeMann 3 years ago 6
One things for sure... its valve timing is dead on. The rolling resistance of the flanges pushing the dirt out of the way would be a pain.
Like Reddog15 said, steam tractive effort is a bit hard to handle. They can pull anything once it's moving, but just don't try to start out. Diesels are just the opposite, they can start a train they can't pull.
kleetus92 3 years ago
It's all in how the machines put the power to the rails. Steam has 4 "power" strokes per revolution, where as diesel is essentially continuous from the traction motors. Diesel is limited by HP, more specifically kW it can generate to drive the motors. Steam's power is basically at a specific speed.
I can tell you from experience, it takes some finesse to handle the throttle on a slippery steam engine. It's fun though!
kleetus92 3 years ago
kleetus,
Thanks for your insight into the slip issue!
reddog15 3 years ago
Wouldn't the sander solve this minor problem? If they put on the sander, it wouldn't slip... or is that just used on icey tracks? The train is pretty, you can barely find these kinds.
kirkness333 3 years ago
Sand may have helped a little bit but dirt was built up really close to the track which I think caused a lot of rolling resistance with the cars.
reddog15 3 years ago
sanders really only work on our engines as the train is moving forward, if the train was moving forward it would work but here it is backing up and the video looks like it is from May where you can still have a good amount of snow and ice in Silverton.
Chatzi473 3 years ago
@kirkness333 I just purchased an HO scale of this locomotive. Some subtle differences, but overall similar. Well worth the $400.
FLABandit 1 year ago
@kirkness333 This engine is known as a k-36, and about the hard to find thing, there are 9 in existence and 7 of them operate. about the sanders, maybe they were out of sand, otherwise that is a good Question.
skybluedragonator 1 year ago
@kirkness333 Sanders don't work in reverse on steam locomotives... The sand pipes are in front of the wheels.
rdamurphy 1 year ago
What a beautiful locomotive!!!
Great video
Rachmaninov08 3 years ago
why's it doing that at the beginning?
torigolddust 3 years ago
A slight incline and a dirty track combine with the fact that starting tractive effort is not so great on steam locomotives to produce this wheel slip. Thanks for viewing!
reddog15 3 years ago
the train is also backing up and the sanders do not work while backing up on our engines. Also that time of year in SIlverton it is still cold and stuff is still freezing at night so the rails also become icy and muddy with snow and stuff.
Chatzi473 3 years ago
beautiful, what a power!
radioam232 3 years ago
Great vid
poisonpiston 3 years ago