I can't think of a better argument for separation of church and state. In most properly functioning countries, a clown like this would be laughed out of the room. And he certainly wouldn't be re-elected.
"Science... bad. 2000 year-old book of fiction written by nomadic tribesmen treated as truth... good." This guy's a caveman in a suit.
A older religion to challenge the new religion of global warming. Meanwhile our Planet cools abruptly as our Sun becomes less active and enters a new Grand Solar Minimum.
What the hell did this guy just do? Bible verse, bible verse, creationist view on the atmosphere= valid point about cap and trade?? Absolute stupidity, second question why is clergy on a panel for carbon emissions?
What's interesting, is that he quotes from the bible as a way of strengthening his arguments against cap & trade and his belief that global warming is not a threat to humanity and the planet, but then talks about the time of the dinosaurs, whose very existence contradicts the bible.
For what it's worth, I believe CO2 related global warming to be a scam and think it's clever to get the religious factions on this side of the argument, as they carry a lot of political power. I am an atheist btw.
This guy is a fucking dimwit. Its scary that people like this actually get good, high paying jobs when their intelligence is the same as a mentally challenged person trying to put the square peg in the round hole. People like this are an EMBARRASSMENT to my country. Grown adults who believe ancient desert fairytales are true and ignore all facts and logic to the contrary. No wonder the world laughs at us. Un-fucking-real.
@choongd "Run" is a strong word, they can only get elected to the house in districts of retard evangelical Christians and all the other congressmen laugh at them and treat them as toxic because they general electorate in America finds this sort of talk bat shit crazy.
@durhamdf Wow, just Wow. You layups, and jhn146 are still blogging on this site. The last time I saw this and left a comment was before Christmas of last year wishing everyone a Happy Holidays whatever it is you may celebrate, A Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Well I wish you all the best, hopefully you'll all move on from this one day and will make you better people. Take Care.
@flippyflappy1 lol mind your own business fucktard, and I only am responding to peoples replys, I haven't even replied to that John dickhole in months
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There is no God. He doesn't exist. This religion bullshit is getting old...really old.
150 years from now, children will watch this in a classroom and the teacher will say: "This is what some people actually believed, humans were very primitive 100 years ago".
I wish I could be there to hear them laughing back at us in time.
@AiDwFl - What is the origin of life according to science? Something like, molecules of less organization randomly formed and regenerated molecules of higher organization thereby breaking elementary laws of entropy and thermodynamics. Where is your evidence of existence/non existence of God that you can definitively speak one way or another?
@layups Let me just say this...if God exists and is interfering with human "reality" as this jackass proposes, God is then subject to scientific analysis. And there needs to be tangible, physical evidence to prove his/her existence. Period. Not a bunch of stories passed down from generation to generation. I do not know how or where the universe was formed, we do not yet know the whole reality of our origins. But saying an invisible, all powerful being did it, is a cop out. Prove it.
@layups Wow, just Wow. You layups, and jhn146 are still blogging on this site. The last time I saw this and left a comment was before Christmas of last year wishing everyone a Happy Holidays whatever it is you may celebrate, A Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Well I wish you all the best, hopefully you'll all move on from this one day and will make you better people. Take Care.
Anyone who believes that there was ever a seperation of church and state is blind to reality. This guy is actually quoting the bible in a subcommittee hearing, there is so much wrong with this picture.
@SpiderShane1 There is nothing wrong with quoting scripture in government hearings. The Founding Fathers did so as well. There is no separation of church and state in the Constitution.
SO, this guy believes the world is safe from climate change and green house gases because of god's fairy tale convenant? BAHAHAHA...MORONIC dhristians HA
i needed a good laugh today, i feel so sorry for normal americans lolol
I find it hillarious that Christians read some parts of the bible literally and not others. Basically, once the scientific evidence piles up and these people like like idiots for trying to dispute it, they just change their position and say "well that part of the Bible is just metaphorical. Like the moon being a "light", or grown man living for days in a whale's stomach. hahaha there is no winning with these people, they are just here to slow down scientific process as long as they can
@durhamdf Per Time/Cnn: Thought taught that moonlight is nothing more than reflected sunlight, students may well have been misinformed. More and more scientists have become convinced that the moon occasionally generates light of its own. Some areas of the moon to glow. Westinghouse Electric Corp. scientist has gone a step further. An ever-shifting, narrow strip of the moon, he believes, constantly emits a glow of its own.
@MyTwoCentsWorth100 You guys are fucking hillarious. The moon is made up the same rock as the earths crust. It doesn't make any fucking light, it just reflects it. But any excuse to try to prove one of the many fallacies of the bible. You can't explain them, it isn't worth trying. Explain to me then how a snake can talk, or a man can live in a whale's stomach, or all men could come from a clump of clay. Just stick to your brainwashed standard answer, "that part of the bible is just a metaphor"
@InnerSmile72 So let's see this time article that said the mmon produced light you fucking idiot. And snakes is what Isaid, explain how a snake can tak. Or a man could live in a whales stomach, or women could be created from a man's rib. Or explain to me where the unicorns from the bible went, or how the earth is less than 10,000 years old when everthing from carbon dating to fossil records says it is 4.5 billion year old? The bible was written during the dark ages there is no science in it
@durhamdf bro, you need to chill the fuck out! I was obviously being sarcastic. You probably get a huge buzz, a feeling of self-satisfaction from bashing people like this, it's not very endearing. If you really want to criticize religion, take a page out of the book of Sam Harris, a good example of a calm, rational person who knows how to talk to religious people. I am a naturalist, and religion is a terrible thing, but as a naturalist, I see how and why it evolved and therefore have compassion.
@InnerSmile72 "It is impossible to be "obviously sarcastic" in writting... And if you read the other fundamentalist nut job comments here, yours isn't too different from one of their serious comments. But I have no problem with religion, I just have a problem with religious fundamentalism. Fundamentalists who literrally read whatever religious text have no place in a democratic society where you need skeptical discerning individuals in order for that democracy to function properly.
@durhamdf If you think calling people "fucking idiots" is a good idea, that you are somehow contributing to the world here, you're sadly mistaken. I agree that we need to use rational methods of thinking to solve real world problems, but how are you assisting this process by being an asshole to everyone? Whenever you see someone spending a lot of energy without achieving anything, it's a good guess that they're getting something out of it themselves, in this case, your superiority.
@durhamdf What I'm asking you to do is to channel your energy in a way that actually puts the debate forward, to behave in a way that will attract people to your demeanor instead of repel them with your superiority complex. If you actually care about what happens in the public sphere, you should become a diplomat instead of an agitator. I guess you could justify your attitude or your anger, but I think if you reflect you'll realize that you're not helping yourself or others in the long term.
@InnerSmile72 Lol there is no way to convert a theist to rational thought. Instead it is a lot more fun to ricule them for fucking up/holding back the progress of our society. When douche bag fundamentalist congressmen are talking about not having to worry about the environment because only god can destroy the earth than yeah, we on the rational side have the right to get pissed off. These people don't understand rational thought, you can't reason with them into seeing things your way
@durhamdf You're wrong. Go read Dawkin's "Convert's Corner." The four horsemen have convinced many, many people by direct influence. I'd bet hundreds of thousands if not millions. So saying it's impossible to show people evidence and have them change is flat wrong. That's just an excuse for you to get a dopamine buzz from your superiority. A childish, irrational excuse. You don't represent even a fraction of naturalist scientists with your views. Chuckle, get angry, but do something constructive
@InnerSmile72 I will gauruntee that they didn't convert a single fundamentalist. Again, I have nothing against very religious people, it is fundamentalism that I have a huge problem. THere is no way to convince a fundamentalist that he/she is wrong based on facts, evidence, or common sense. This is because all a fundamentalist has to do is say, "god did it" Why are there dinosaur bones carbon dated to millions of years ago? God did it. Even Richard Dawkins couldn't win an argument against that
@durhamdf You're wrong again because I have read letters to them from people who said that they were Answers In Genesis loving fundamentalists completely convinced of a young earth. How much of a rationalist are you that you can guarantee me something you have absolutely no way of knowing? You're very confident in saying that you can correctly decipher reality through logic, a tired and long-debunked notion you should be wary of. I understand what you're saying in principle but you're very wrong
@durhamdf So here I am presenting you with evidence that a diplomatic, respectful, calm, scientific approach can directly lead to rabid fundamentalists abandoning their cults and entering the world of science-based dialogue. What are you going to do? Are you going to change your illogically held beliefs and realize that insulting people and laughing at them publicly is a hurtful approach to the community and yourself? Or will you be just as short-sighted as your enemies?
@InnerSmile72 Evidence? A story about how a famous atheist supposedly converted some people with logic and reason...Prove it. You see that is the scientific method, not wild claims with no supporting evidence. Arguing with a fundamentalist is useless, I know, but it isn't for their sake, it is for mine. I'm making them have to deal with the same frustration they put us through every day. (contd)
@InnerSmile72 (contd) They go door to door to let me know I am going to hell, I am going to point out that they are wasting their lives. And I think you need to read some of Dawkins work before you start claiming the man respectfully and diplomatically speaks with fundamentalist. Clearly you have never read the god delusion by Dawkins. The man is constantly ripping apart religion and calling anyone who reads religious dogma literally delusional. You have no idea what you are talking about
@durhamdf Yeah, I'm glad I do know what I'm talking about because the world you live in seems very agitating. Prove it to yourself, go read Converts Corner, google "Former young earth creationist" "former christian fundamentalist" and look around, it's everywhere, why should I have to prove something that is culture wide. It IS a delusion, he's not calling them "Fucking idiots", trying to be an asshole on purpose, he's writing a book hoping to change their minds not gloat! Ok I'm done.
@InnerSmile72 I dissagree, there may have been a few anecdotal stories of fundamentalists converting to rational thought but it ISN'T the norm!!! The VAST MAJORITY of fundamentalists are raised fundamentalist and die fundamentalist PERIOD! Converting a tiny fraction of these people isn't goingto achieve anything. At least ridiculing them as a society will convince the people on the edge that they don't want to be like these nut job fundamentalist douchenozzles who are trying to oppress society
@durhamdf If being diplomatic and optimistic saves one family from relying on faith healing to heal their children it's worth it. It happens all the time. I'm sorry that we don't have anything but anecdotal evidence but it happens more than you think. Maybe we should document just how many lives are saved just from discouraging faith healing alone. See you're just provably wrong. People open up to you when they want to be like you. We're programmed that way. I'm sure that ridicule helps but,->
@InnerSmile72 see I think that is the difference between you and me. You want to change these people and make them see the light of reason and rationality. I just wan't Christians especially and Evangelical christians in particular to stop trying to enforce their religious beliefs and shape our country's policy based on those beliefs. I don't give two shits what stupid ideas they have in their head, I just want them to keep it to themselves
@durhamdf So what you're saying is that you really don't give a shit except for anything but politics when it comes to making the world a better place? You don't get it, I don't want to change them for my own preference, I want to make the entire world a better place and prevent suffering as much as scientifically possible and delusion is the main offender. By principle, you carry the message honorably because it's an honorable mission. You have to be universal in your application of this moral.
@InnerSmile72 You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I am a realist, I care about the changes that we need to make today. Like getting off of fossil fuels which will never happen if religious fundamentalists are trying to shape our policy based on their religious philosphy that the world can't end untill god says it will. I want them to keep it to themselves because I think that is a winnable battle, I don't really care about saving these people from their delusional worldview.
@durhamdf Then you have an extremely limited world-view and I implore you to pull your head out of the sand and join us in the good fight. You seem to think that the best way to prevent suffering is to drive the fundies out of power which is why ridicule and superiority is so important to you. You can't conceive that the problem of believing things that aren't true goes far deeper into the heart of society, vaccines, conspiracy theories etc, you need to spread science, not attack stupidity.
@InnerSmile72 I agree I'm not accomplishing anything to forward society but I would argue that neither are you. For every sheep that you convert to reason there are 10 more being indoctrinated with religion. Religion is slowly evolving to become less and less important to society but there really isn't much we can do speed up this evolution. I'll keep marginalizing idiots like Shimkus by calling them delusional retards untill enough people can see this themselves. Then I'll feel sorry for them
@durhamdf Then you're full of shit. If it wasn't for debunkers and rationalists I would still be a sick and deluded individual. I have rescued people from cults and dissuaded people from avoiding chemotherapy in favor of quack therapy. I myself used to be a climate change skeptic/conspiracy theorist. You are provably full of shit because every poll shows atheism and freethinking is on the rise compared to religion in America. So, head out of the sand or go home
@InnerSmile72 I said that religion is on the declin in my comment... But religious people still make up the vast majority of our society. about 80% of Americans are one denomination of christians or another. Just over 3 % are other religions, and roughly15-17% are considered as belonging to no religion at all. That is still a small minority. I am happy you have taken an interest in improving humanity and educating these people but I just think it is a losing battle in our lifetimes.
@durhamdf You just don't get it, I'm fully chastising you for being lazy and deluded when it comes to investigating the human condition. We need every single person who understands what science and skepticism is to become a teacher and a social critic for the new age. The only reason you get to sit there and feel smart is because of the hard work and self-sacrifice of other people who influenced those who influenced you. And you're letting the chain break with you, as bad as the rest of 'em.
@InnerSmile72 You do that by concentrating on policy that will educate the next generation, not by trying to convert people who don't want to be converted and are happy living in blissful ignorance. You become as bad as the religiou nuts who travel the world to spread their faith. There is no reasoning with someone who truely has faith. That is what faith is, being positive that you are right and they are wrong regardless of anything you see or hear that might suggest the opposite. (contd)
@InnerSmile72 (contd) Like I said, I have no problem with just religious people, I have a problem with fundamentalism. That is, reading the bible litterally and trying to enforce this worldview on the rest of society out of what they think is sympathy. With these people, trying to convince them of something contrary to their religious values is like trying to convinvce a schizophrenic person they are schizophrenic. It isn't impossible, but it's as close as it gets.
@durhamdf Just remember this all started because you misread my obvious joke and called me a fucking idiot. We get a buzz from being better than others for evolutionary purposes and you abuse it. It doesn't matter if it's religion or vaccine skepticism, you approach it with the same honor and evidence-based approach, it's the same problem in the mind with the same solution. How likely success is doesn't matter, you do this because it's the right thing to do, you're breaking the golden rule.
@durhamdf It's just not the way you see it. There are literally thousands of people who are out there changing the minds of people who do female circumcision every day. The suffering that alleviates is incalculable. Imagine people didn't believe that was possible. I don't think any rational person in the skeptical community really cares what people believe if they aren't directly hurting anyone but them selves at the moment. They're worried about terrorism and cults, tell them it doesn't work!
@BibleTruth1000 are you the same guy as twocents worth? still talking about the moon generating light hahah. Saying time and cnn is not citing a source. Lets see a link or at least some article info. I can gaurutee you that cnn and time never printed an article saying that a chunk of rock generates its own light source. Have you ever seen a new moon? hahaha
@durhamdf The Bible is literal unless revealed as allegory, etc. What you fail to realize is that there is a separation of covenants. The Old Covenant of the law was in force until Jesus died on the cross and rose again from the dead. Acts chapter 2 is when the New Covenant of grace in Christ began when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to those waiting as He instructed, in the upper room. Peace and God's grace to you as you seek Him.
Per Time/Cnn: Thought taught that moonlight is nothing more than reflected sunlight, students may well have been misinformed. More and more scientists have become convinced that the moon occasionally generates light of its own. Some areas of the moon DO glow. Westinghouse Electric Corp. scientist has gone a step further. An ever-shifting, narrow strip of the moon, he believes, constantly emits a glow of its own. God never lies.
@kuruma005 I assume that was English...but it is clear that you Christians with your home schooling have been done a great disservice by your parents and your church.
@CalebsReport Unless you're pure-blood Native American, you're a foreigner. Sad that your just and loving God, couldn't (not for the first time , re Canaan) lead his children to the promised land without bloodshed.
I guess life is cheap when you're the Almighty and you don't have to answer to anyone.
Indians were not native to this land either. They came from the mountains of Ararat as we all did, from where the ark landed with Noah and his family.
@MyTwoCentsWorth100 So they had no rights to this land? If so, then no-one has an inalienable right to any property except if they can defend it by force.
America is not a christian nation by any means, and what on earth do you guys know about your own values? nothing it seems. "Love thy neighbour", yet were bombing the shit out of other countries, a billion people are starving, and we continue to go to church, give money, for what cause? Jesus threw the merchants out of the temple. Some christian nation. You guys preach a free nation like America blindly, without even stopping to think about whats actually going on. Bullshit.
Your excriment has to go. America is a Christian nation by practice and a nation of freedom of religion and freedom of speech anywhere, any time, any place.
A little information from NASA, a little known scientific organization:
Dr. Hansen, one of the world’s leading climatologists, “we find global warming is continuing unabated.”
The agency also found that 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began. The warmest year was 2005. The other hottest recorded years have all occurred since 1998.
Ridiculous and Interesting that you would cite anyone at NASA to support global warming lies, as NASA leadership has long been married to the lies of evolution, hence their "Origins" program, is into virtual "reality" rather than photography and tied to unsavory projects such as Project Blue Beam.
When you send a rocket into space I'll take your word over NASA's. Until then, you should think about what NASA has done for you and you should probably not use your cell phone or the internet until you get it.
Looks like we got another conspiracy theorist on our hands.
BibleTruth100 - follows Project Blue Beam
jhn146 - follows climate gate.
John Shimkus - can't do simple math and takes the bible literally.
Well little boy... Blood pressure testers. lenses. communication and TV satellites (needed for modern war). Nitinol memory alloy (commonly used in stents for blood vessels/braces). Telemetry (fly in airplanes?) Temper-pedic. Tephlon coating. Velcro (I assume you don't know how to tie your shoes). GLOBAL WARMING STUDIES and SO MUCH MORE. Many scientists and air force commanders have sacrificed their lives to give us these luxuries. Be thankful.
@ofallonp1 Hansen plans to impose Chinese totalitarianism on America; carbon fascism “Has this guy ever heard of the Gang of Four, or the Cultural Revolution, which killed those who were inconvenient? Or the Great Leap Forward, which used the best technical information to determine that a steel mill in every backyard was a good idea?" P.J.Michaels of the Washington Times. Mao killed at least 40 million. Some say he killed over 70 million. Some "hero" you picked with Hansen.
You call global warming "Chinese totalitarianism on America; carbon fascism"? You're another conspirator. How is protecting the environment carbon fascism? Get a clue. He's a climatologist with NASA, and independent agency. Wikipedia him and look at the "Honors and awards" section.
CalebsReport conspiracy - NASA is a chinese commi organization
Man, all you guys are crazy.
Take off the tin foil hats and let go of the conspiracy theories.
Another nice tangent. Obamacare has nothing to do with global warming. Stay on subject little boy. And if we didn't have control mechanisms like the EPA then companies like BP would be able to spill oil all over the golf and not claim responsibility. Get a clue. Ironically, against your point, the fascism lies with the companies (corporatists) buying control of anti-environmental laws so they don't have to spend money to clean up their byproducts. Words have meanings, learn them.
That's what all this false "science" is about; taxing everyone (theft) based on nothing but lies by fascists who care nothing for people or the environment. It is all about the love of money above all else.
Wikipedia is not authoritative, it is user-supplied much like YouTube videos. You sound so naive that I'd guess you'd think SNOPES is a large, neutral research organization rather than just one ultra-liberal leftist wingnut woman in CA working from her house.
I'm looking forward to the nanotechnological revolution that will displace these issues altogether; such as self-organizing molecular photonics, or fusion reactors (MIT - levitating dipole experiment, National Ignition Facility). It is fortunate that the free market has infinitely more power than the opinions of religious zealots. Whether a person chooses to ignore the findings of climatologists or not will be characteristically irrelevant very soon.
@ofallonp1 Man seated next to 10 year old girl on an airplane says, "Want to talk?" "About?" "Oh, global warming, universal health care, stimulus packages?" smiling smugly. "OK. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff yet a deer poo's little pellets, a cow poo's a big flat patty, a horse poo's clumps. Why?" Surprised, "Hmmm, I have no idea." Little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss global warming, universal health care, or the economy, when you don't know shit?"
@ofallonp1 Hell no, I'm not agreeing with you. In the story, you are the equivalent to the man, and those of us with common sense are as the little girl who tells the man he doesn't know shit, so don't even try to discuss it.
I know my shit because I am a research scientist and engineer. You contribute nothing to the conversation except a little story and stating Indians are not native. Nice contribution. I think you don't know sh*t because you have nothing to contribute.
Common sense in this case should be science, factual information, not bible stories. I'm sure you will join your fellow bible thumpers in their conspiracy theories. Good luck to you.
To put it into perspective, would all the Christians here be happy if a we had a Muslim representative and he stood up and read quotes from the Qur'an? A jew rep read the Torah or the old testament. Or how about a Mormon reading the Book of Mormon. All these instances are inappropriate. This isn't an intrusion on their right to practice whatever religion they please.
I applaud the Congressman for his courage to express his religion and stand up for his freedom of speech. In no way is he trying to legislate religion. His religion has no need to be kept private. It is illegal to put a religious test to any government official.
Carbondioxide belongs to the physical clearly. The spiritual way Mr Shimkus chose for himself is and allways shall be his private thing, his right and freedom.
But his spiritual way seems to be his source of information in decisions over our very physical world and over a lot of Americans, foreigners and creatures of other species who don't share his views. Decisions on the physical and public should be led by science not religion. Especially when it's decisions that are about industry law.
@BibleTruth1000 Even though I don't believe in an interference of god with our physical world I respect the fact that You do. But I think You as well as anyone will admit that humans do interfere with the world around us in many ways. Some effects are easily connected to their cause others are not. When it comes to CO2 which is invisible we find ourselfes in the middle of a religious discussion altough it is clear we produce a lot of it. Maybe it is part of gods will that we improve ourselves?
That was not the Congressman's point. His point was that despite man's doings, God has told us the future of the earth and how earth will end. God is all-knowing. The Biblical prophecies never fail.
@BibleTruth1000 Well if the biblical prophecies fail they are instantly declared an allegory ... and infailable.
If two religions declare infailability ... who is right?
(Yeah right ... the bible of course as all who know 'HIM' ... it's really hard to keep up a respectful conversation with people who are owning the infailable truth.)
The US Constitution never mandates that our religious freedom is to be expressed only privately. In fact, it says the opposite, that the free expression of our religion cannot be prohibited.
@CalebsReport freedom of religion is also freedom from religion if meant honestly. Being dominated by a religious majority who makes laws and decisions on the basis of an ancient book is not a form of freedom.
Let's assume America had a wahabit muslim majority, Your wife would be forced to wear a burka by law ... but she would still be free to have a cross attached to it and express her christian faith ... what kind of freedom is that? If laws are made by the bible religious freddom is a lie.
@BibleTruth1000 Even if there was such a thing as a god, it would be beyond a human mind to know. You're only deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
Since God is the Creator of all science, and since God inspired the Bible from which the Christian religion originates, and since the Bible contains many scientific facts revealed by God long before man discovered them, then your false premise that science and "religion" are mutually exclusive is completely and forever illogical. That makes all your points moot.
@BibleTruth1000 How about you leave science to the scientists and work on your religion - you know, getting consensus from the Catholics, Protestants, Trinitarians, non-Trinitarians, Dispensationalists, non-Chalcedonians and all those other Christians who somehow missed being united under your unchanging divine revelation. Oh, and gather ye Jews unto your bosom, while you're at it. After all, they are the original chosen ones, right.
Come back and talk science once that's all cleared up.
@BibleTruth1000 Come back and talk science when you've achieved consensus with your various Jewish, Catholic, non-Trinitarian, non-Chalcedonian, and all the myriad forms of Yahweh-worship. I wonder how it can be so hard for those who bask in the light of the divine and its revealed truth to agree on the unchanging word of the Almighty.
Evolution is deemed "science" that is now forced on public school students as if it was fact with absolutely no evidence to back it up. The Bible, on the other hand, has never been proven wrong, therefore has all the evidence needed to be presented to public school students as fact. In fact, in 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: "The congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
Anything Jesus said prior to the crucifixion was under the old covenant. The covenant changed with His death and resurrection. The New Covenant begins in Acts chapter 2.
@jhn146 Oh, I see You are much more familiar with this old collection of scripts than I am. Severe efforts must have been necessary to gather this kind of knowledge.
There however seems to be no rational reason to assume the contents of the old books is telling us more about reality than any other fictional or semi-fictional book. (i.E. Dan Brown novells)
This is not meaning to insult Your beliefs it's plainly a result of thinking about what we can know and how probably this or that is.
My trust in the Bible is because I know Him personally, and He has confirmed that the Bible is indeed Scripture which He inspired to be written. This kind of relationship can't be explained. You just need to experience it for yourself, then you will understand.
Dan Brown tells you right off the bat that his work is fiction, though he muddies the water just enough to seemingly be stating that his sources are factual when they are not.
Throughout the Bible, there is a contrast between the physical and the spiritual. As the Apostle Paul wrote, the physical comes first, then the spiritual (I Cor. 15:45-47). Adam, the first man, came from the earth and was physical. The "last Adam", Jesus Christ, is from heaven and is spiritual. The Old Covenant was physical and was replaced by the New Covenant which is spiritual.
@BibleTruth1000 Can't say I have. But I am trained in political theory, and have consulted the works of Madison, Jefferson, Locke, Smith and others who influenced, or played an active role in designing your constitution. I believe it was Jefferson who first proposed the "wall of separation between church and state", and for good reason. He was a product of a feudalistic world, knitted by religion. One he wanted America to rise above. Two-hundred years later, his message seems to be forgotten.
Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well-worn Bible: "I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."
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What state do you live in jhn146? Kentucky? Georgia? Texas? Alaska? Everyone should realize that Jhn146 is the reason we need to put more resources into our educational program here in america. People like him actually vote, and they vote for people like John Shimkus. "What is this 'science'? what are these so called 'fact'?" lol. You are an idiot my friend. Put down the bible, take off the tin foil hat, stop watching conspiracy movies and pick up a simple high school science book.
Is that your best slam, to disparrage certain states in America? Creationism needs to be balanced with the hypothesis of evolution in our public schools. By the way, Christianity is the faith of 90% of Americans. You won't win despite your yapping.
Why, was i right? Besides your facts being wrong, obviously, it still doesn't give you the right to force your religion on the other so called 10%. If you don't understand that simple fact, you are incapable of understanding most logic. Creationalism is taught, as a theory and only that. Even the pope admits evolution is a fact and god created the universe at the big bang. This is actually widely accepted amongst religious scholars. you don't read much, do you?
No, I live in AZ not far from where the unspeakable tragedy happened today. Have you no decency to even mention it or offer condolences? I pray for Congresswoman Giffords that she survives and thrives, and I pray for the families of those slain so senslessly by apparently a worthless punk and apparently assisted by another worthless punk.
@jhn146 The country mourns with you in what that left-wing radical did on Saturday. We pray for Gabrielle Giffords' and the others wounded to recover fully and for God to comfort the grieving family and friends of the ones who were killed. We also wish Obama and his wife were not invading your territory and wasting all the taxpayer's money to grandstand in the very state in which he is suing your Governor. God Bless you.
What an ignorant statement. Generalities of "left-wing radical"? Where do you get your information on his political stand. Please cite sources. AND don't use the tragedy as a cop out. You had a weak argument, I called you out on it and you avoided the conversation with this BS. Keep up the conspiracy theories, you nut.
@ofallonp1 The things he says and the books he's got listed as his favorites are of a left-wing radical/anarchist. Media networks besides Fox News won't talk too much about the Conservative Republican judge, because they are more busy trying to link this monster with Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, the Tea Party, and Fox News. The judge and some of the left-wing books this creep was into kills their arguments.
Let's try this again. FACTS ARE GOOOOOOOOODDDDD. FACTS ARE OUR FRIENDS! I could probably find you a pop-up book.
Nice tangent again. Thanks for playing. Commi monster climatologist. haha. Thanks for the laugh.
Funny how you respond to a different quote of mine. You're unorganized and all over the place. And BTW, anarchists fall under libertarian more than it does left wing radical, and by libertarian I mean radical republicans. Read a book, I mean, besides the bible.
There were no tax cuts, only a continuation of the same high tax rates which causes businesses to operate outside of our borders where they are not penalized by excessive taxes and government red tape.
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@jhn146 High tax rates??? The Federal income tax rates are only 5% from their lowest levels in 100 years. You should look at the history of the federal income tax rate before you talk out of your ass moron. In the first term of your beloved Ronald Regan's presidency the Federal Income Tax rates were 70% for the highest bracket num nuts
TOKYO — Japan will cut its corporate income tax rate by 5 percentage points in a bid to shore up its sluggish economy, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said. Companies have urged the government to lower the country’s effective corporate tax rate which now stands at 40 percent, around the same rate as that in the United States to stimulate investment in Japan and to encourage businesses to create more jobs.
There were no "tax cuts", only a continuation of the same tax rates as under Bush. Taxes are far to high to enable businesses to succeed very well in America.
@jhn146 Dude, you don't understand science or economics. Read some History, Like the history of the Roman empire. I "leaders" are like the Senate in Rome, a wealthy upper class who make laws to protect themselves and the people who put them in power. The President is like the Emperor, only they do not ascend by deathly power struggles, they ascend by elections bought and paid for by corporations. We don't get the best President based on merit, we get the one who can secure the best funding.
@jhn146 No one is saying he does not have freedom of religion or speech. What he has is a job to do the right thing for our country. Persisting in a delusion that God will somehow not allow bad things to happen to us is not the way to run a country, however good it might make you feel. Shimkus has a complete lack of understanding of science and he misuses his position to proselytize Christianity. It has no bearing on the issue of climate. He should practice this right in private.
@jhn146 right because we only were just in the largest economic expansion in U.S. history with the taxes at 4% lower than the Bush cuts...Fucking short memory on you conservatives
He stated no such thing that man cannot destroy the earth. What he stated was God's foreknowledge that as long as the earth remains there will never be a global flood again, that heat and cold will remain and that seedtime and harvest will remain. Elsewhere in the Bible it tells us that the earth will, in fact, burn up. He will provide a new heavens and a new earth.
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Unfortunately when you employ only faith, you ignore testable rationally derived evidence at you peril. Worse yet you ignore it at other's perils as well.
Keep you faith to yourself and base your governance and laws on fact based reasoning alone. I want no part of your religion!
Global warming/climate change "science" has been proven fraudulent. Google "Climate Gate": 1079 emails and 72 documents released by hackers suggest actual conspiracy to defraud, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, and private admissions of flaws in their public claims. 31,487 American scientists say there is no such scientific evidence for such false faith.
@jhn146 Thanks. I myself am uncommitted as to the truth of global warming. You have given me something worth reading.
Whether GW is real or not has no bearing on my objection to Sen Shiikus' comments. My objection is he is proposing that his religion has bearing on the making of law. Basing law on a religious belief is masochistic and totalitarian at it's core. It is the road to an American equivalent to Iran's sharia law. I've had enough or religion based reasoning.
The vitriolic reaction to the quoting of a Bible verse has no place in America. He stated his own belief in this matter, as he trusts the God of the Bible to have communicated it by inspiration through the authors of the Bible. He did so per his right to free speech. Speech and religion are our American rights. Putting a religious test to any person serving in Government is disallowed by law.
This is why I would NEVER EVER EVER vote Republican!! EVER!
Viracocha711 2 weeks ago
Are you fucking kidding me?
mtcoach1 1 month ago
press 7 for boner
uda911 2 months ago
I can't think of a better argument for separation of church and state. In most properly functioning countries, a clown like this would be laughed out of the room. And he certainly wouldn't be re-elected.
"Science... bad. 2000 year-old book of fiction written by nomadic tribesmen treated as truth... good." This guy's a caveman in a suit.
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This guy is an idiot!
Mr7Seeker 3 months ago
this is why this country is in such trouble. idiots like this get elected. quoting from the bible!
lhurien 3 months ago
A older religion to challenge the new religion of global warming. Meanwhile our Planet cools abruptly as our Sun becomes less active and enters a new Grand Solar Minimum.
david222444 3 months ago
What the hell did this guy just do? Bible verse, bible verse, creationist view on the atmosphere= valid point about cap and trade?? Absolute stupidity, second question why is clergy on a panel for carbon emissions?
skydome29 4 months ago
You fucking dangerous lunatic!!!
BuckNmel 4 months ago
Does it not bother anyone else that the people who believe in a talking snake are running this country?
FcdFAN13 4 months ago 2
someone tell this guy to shut the fuck up!
mountainbliss4u 5 months ago
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mountainbliss4u 5 months ago
Why does he have clergy there in stead of scientists? WTF are they going to do, pray away the climate change?
Akira625 5 months ago
0:24 lol the girl on the right is just like "you fucking kidding?"
Zooozerz 6 months ago 13
Wow. He actually cited the bible as if it were a legitimate source. How disgusting.
BlahStudios2 6 months ago 3
we are doomed as specie
eksrazor 6 months ago
What's interesting, is that he quotes from the bible as a way of strengthening his arguments against cap & trade and his belief that global warming is not a threat to humanity and the planet, but then talks about the time of the dinosaurs, whose very existence contradicts the bible.
For what it's worth, I believe CO2 related global warming to be a scam and think it's clever to get the religious factions on this side of the argument, as they carry a lot of political power. I am an atheist btw.
KaneDWilliams 6 months ago
This is my representative . . . truly depressing. THIS guy represents me in the House of Representatives.
InfidelPerRatio 6 months ago 3
People like this guy fuck up the world
TheJDorian 6 months ago 3
This guy is a fucking dimwit. Its scary that people like this actually get good, high paying jobs when their intelligence is the same as a mentally challenged person trying to put the square peg in the round hole. People like this are an EMBARRASSMENT to my country. Grown adults who believe ancient desert fairytales are true and ignore all facts and logic to the contrary. No wonder the world laughs at us. Un-fucking-real.
Props2u 7 months ago 4
I love that the intern in the background starts cracking up at 0:25.
AustinSendek 7 months ago 5
The true danger of religious certainty, man are we in trouble...
IndexFossil1 8 months ago 22
Awsome !!!!
He should run for president!!!
taxmino 8 months ago
It's disturbing to know that people holding such beliefs have some political power.
SirArghPirate 9 months ago 2
The derp is strong with this one!
GermanChocolateCake 9 months ago
This is not funny...you people actually let idiots like this run your country
choongd 9 months ago
@choongd "Run" is a strong word, they can only get elected to the house in districts of retard evangelical Christians and all the other congressmen laugh at them and treat them as toxic because they general electorate in America finds this sort of talk bat shit crazy.
durhamdf 9 months ago
@durhamdf Wow, just Wow. You layups, and jhn146 are still blogging on this site. The last time I saw this and left a comment was before Christmas of last year wishing everyone a Happy Holidays whatever it is you may celebrate, A Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Well I wish you all the best, hopefully you'll all move on from this one day and will make you better people. Take Care.
flippyflappy1 8 months ago
@flippyflappy1 lol mind your own business fucktard, and I only am responding to peoples replys, I haven't even replied to that John dickhole in months
durhamdf 8 months ago
@durhamdf Keep up the good work and have a happy Memorial day weekend :-)
flippyflappy1 8 months ago
@flippyflappy1 hahaha ok thanks
durhamdf 8 months ago
anyone notice the blond in the back looks very amused when he mentions genesis? lol
k1llk1ngph30n1x 10 months ago 2
He's just worried about the poor miners, not those oil and gas lobbyists who got him elected.
jimdewphd 10 months ago
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There is no God. He doesn't exist. This religion bullshit is getting old...really old.
150 years from now, children will watch this in a classroom and the teacher will say: "This is what some people actually believed, humans were very primitive 100 years ago".
I wish I could be there to hear them laughing back at us in time.
AiDwFl 11 months ago 2
@AiDwFl - What is the origin of life according to science? Something like, molecules of less organization randomly formed and regenerated molecules of higher organization thereby breaking elementary laws of entropy and thermodynamics. Where is your evidence of existence/non existence of God that you can definitively speak one way or another?
layups 10 months ago
@layups Let me just say this...if God exists and is interfering with human "reality" as this jackass proposes, God is then subject to scientific analysis. And there needs to be tangible, physical evidence to prove his/her existence. Period. Not a bunch of stories passed down from generation to generation. I do not know how or where the universe was formed, we do not yet know the whole reality of our origins. But saying an invisible, all powerful being did it, is a cop out. Prove it.
AiDwFl 10 months ago
@layups Wow, just Wow. You layups, and jhn146 are still blogging on this site. The last time I saw this and left a comment was before Christmas of last year wishing everyone a Happy Holidays whatever it is you may celebrate, A Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year.
Well I wish you all the best, hopefully you'll all move on from this one day and will make you better people. Take Care.
flippyflappy1 8 months ago
It will definitely take a lot before mankind is capable of destroying Earth.
Earth on the other hand is tremendously capable of destroying mankind.
Lyinginbedmon 11 months ago
It's really unbelieveable that someone like this can have an ACTUAL say on how the government deals with scientific issues.
awexsome2034 11 months ago
Jesus-fucking-Christ.
This is why you need to pay attention to who you are voting for.
Kotszu 11 months ago 2
Anyone who believes that there was ever a seperation of church and state is blind to reality. This guy is actually quoting the bible in a subcommittee hearing, there is so much wrong with this picture.
SpiderShane1 11 months ago
@SpiderShane1 There is nothing wrong with quoting scripture in government hearings. The Founding Fathers did so as well. There is no separation of church and state in the Constitution.
BibleTruth1000 11 months ago
@BibleTruth1000 Seeing as how your username is a contradiction of itself, I must assume that your comments follow suit. Bye.
SpiderShane1 11 months ago
@SpiderShane1
There is no separation of church and state in our Constitution.
MyTwoCentsWorth100 11 months ago
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Church should stay out of politics or they too should pay taxes like the rest of us.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
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SO, this guy believes the world is safe from climate change and green house gases because of god's fairy tale convenant? BAHAHAHA...MORONIC dhristians HA
i needed a good laugh today, i feel so sorry for normal americans lolol
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rickg1724 1 year ago
I find it hillarious that Christians read some parts of the bible literally and not others. Basically, once the scientific evidence piles up and these people like like idiots for trying to dispute it, they just change their position and say "well that part of the Bible is just metaphorical. Like the moon being a "light", or grown man living for days in a whale's stomach. hahaha there is no winning with these people, they are just here to slow down scientific process as long as they can
durhamdf 1 year ago 31
@durhamdf Per Time/Cnn: Thought taught that moonlight is nothing more than reflected sunlight, students may well have been misinformed. More and more scientists have become convinced that the moon occasionally generates light of its own. Some areas of the moon to glow. Westinghouse Electric Corp. scientist has gone a step further. An ever-shifting, narrow strip of the moon, he believes, constantly emits a glow of its own.
MyTwoCentsWorth100 11 months ago
@MyTwoCentsWorth100 You guys are fucking hillarious. The moon is made up the same rock as the earths crust. It doesn't make any fucking light, it just reflects it. But any excuse to try to prove one of the many fallacies of the bible. You can't explain them, it isn't worth trying. Explain to me then how a snake can talk, or a man can live in a whale's stomach, or all men could come from a clump of clay. Just stick to your brainwashed standard answer, "that part of the bible is just a metaphor"
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf "We're animals, and we talk" -Douglas Wilson shattering the arguments against biblical literalism.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 So let's see this time article that said the mmon produced light you fucking idiot. And snakes is what Isaid, explain how a snake can tak. Or a man could live in a whales stomach, or women could be created from a man's rib. Or explain to me where the unicorns from the bible went, or how the earth is less than 10,000 years old when everthing from carbon dating to fossil records says it is 4.5 billion year old? The bible was written during the dark ages there is no science in it
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf bro, you need to chill the fuck out! I was obviously being sarcastic. You probably get a huge buzz, a feeling of self-satisfaction from bashing people like this, it's not very endearing. If you really want to criticize religion, take a page out of the book of Sam Harris, a good example of a calm, rational person who knows how to talk to religious people. I am a naturalist, and religion is a terrible thing, but as a naturalist, I see how and why it evolved and therefore have compassion.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 "It is impossible to be "obviously sarcastic" in writting... And if you read the other fundamentalist nut job comments here, yours isn't too different from one of their serious comments. But I have no problem with religion, I just have a problem with religious fundamentalism. Fundamentalists who literrally read whatever religious text have no place in a democratic society where you need skeptical discerning individuals in order for that democracy to function properly.
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf If you think calling people "fucking idiots" is a good idea, that you are somehow contributing to the world here, you're sadly mistaken. I agree that we need to use rational methods of thinking to solve real world problems, but how are you assisting this process by being an asshole to everyone? Whenever you see someone spending a lot of energy without achieving anything, it's a good guess that they're getting something out of it themselves, in this case, your superiority.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@durhamdf What I'm asking you to do is to channel your energy in a way that actually puts the debate forward, to behave in a way that will attract people to your demeanor instead of repel them with your superiority complex. If you actually care about what happens in the public sphere, you should become a diplomat instead of an agitator. I guess you could justify your attitude or your anger, but I think if you reflect you'll realize that you're not helping yourself or others in the long term.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 Lol there is no way to convert a theist to rational thought. Instead it is a lot more fun to ricule them for fucking up/holding back the progress of our society. When douche bag fundamentalist congressmen are talking about not having to worry about the environment because only god can destroy the earth than yeah, we on the rational side have the right to get pissed off. These people don't understand rational thought, you can't reason with them into seeing things your way
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf You're wrong. Go read Dawkin's "Convert's Corner." The four horsemen have convinced many, many people by direct influence. I'd bet hundreds of thousands if not millions. So saying it's impossible to show people evidence and have them change is flat wrong. That's just an excuse for you to get a dopamine buzz from your superiority. A childish, irrational excuse. You don't represent even a fraction of naturalist scientists with your views. Chuckle, get angry, but do something constructive
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 I will gauruntee that they didn't convert a single fundamentalist. Again, I have nothing against very religious people, it is fundamentalism that I have a huge problem. THere is no way to convince a fundamentalist that he/she is wrong based on facts, evidence, or common sense. This is because all a fundamentalist has to do is say, "god did it" Why are there dinosaur bones carbon dated to millions of years ago? God did it. Even Richard Dawkins couldn't win an argument against that
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf You're wrong again because I have read letters to them from people who said that they were Answers In Genesis loving fundamentalists completely convinced of a young earth. How much of a rationalist are you that you can guarantee me something you have absolutely no way of knowing? You're very confident in saying that you can correctly decipher reality through logic, a tired and long-debunked notion you should be wary of. I understand what you're saying in principle but you're very wrong
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@durhamdf So here I am presenting you with evidence that a diplomatic, respectful, calm, scientific approach can directly lead to rabid fundamentalists abandoning their cults and entering the world of science-based dialogue. What are you going to do? Are you going to change your illogically held beliefs and realize that insulting people and laughing at them publicly is a hurtful approach to the community and yourself? Or will you be just as short-sighted as your enemies?
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 Evidence? A story about how a famous atheist supposedly converted some people with logic and reason...Prove it. You see that is the scientific method, not wild claims with no supporting evidence. Arguing with a fundamentalist is useless, I know, but it isn't for their sake, it is for mine. I'm making them have to deal with the same frustration they put us through every day. (contd)
durhamdf 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 (contd) They go door to door to let me know I am going to hell, I am going to point out that they are wasting their lives. And I think you need to read some of Dawkins work before you start claiming the man respectfully and diplomatically speaks with fundamentalist. Clearly you have never read the god delusion by Dawkins. The man is constantly ripping apart religion and calling anyone who reads religious dogma literally delusional. You have no idea what you are talking about
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf Yeah, I'm glad I do know what I'm talking about because the world you live in seems very agitating. Prove it to yourself, go read Converts Corner, google "Former young earth creationist" "former christian fundamentalist" and look around, it's everywhere, why should I have to prove something that is culture wide. It IS a delusion, he's not calling them "Fucking idiots", trying to be an asshole on purpose, he's writing a book hoping to change their minds not gloat! Ok I'm done.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 I dissagree, there may have been a few anecdotal stories of fundamentalists converting to rational thought but it ISN'T the norm!!! The VAST MAJORITY of fundamentalists are raised fundamentalist and die fundamentalist PERIOD! Converting a tiny fraction of these people isn't goingto achieve anything. At least ridiculing them as a society will convince the people on the edge that they don't want to be like these nut job fundamentalist douchenozzles who are trying to oppress society
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf If being diplomatic and optimistic saves one family from relying on faith healing to heal their children it's worth it. It happens all the time. I'm sorry that we don't have anything but anecdotal evidence but it happens more than you think. Maybe we should document just how many lives are saved just from discouraging faith healing alone. See you're just provably wrong. People open up to you when they want to be like you. We're programmed that way. I'm sure that ridicule helps but,->
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 see I think that is the difference between you and me. You want to change these people and make them see the light of reason and rationality. I just wan't Christians especially and Evangelical christians in particular to stop trying to enforce their religious beliefs and shape our country's policy based on those beliefs. I don't give two shits what stupid ideas they have in their head, I just want them to keep it to themselves
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf So what you're saying is that you really don't give a shit except for anything but politics when it comes to making the world a better place? You don't get it, I don't want to change them for my own preference, I want to make the entire world a better place and prevent suffering as much as scientifically possible and delusion is the main offender. By principle, you carry the message honorably because it's an honorable mission. You have to be universal in your application of this moral.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I am a realist, I care about the changes that we need to make today. Like getting off of fossil fuels which will never happen if religious fundamentalists are trying to shape our policy based on their religious philosphy that the world can't end untill god says it will. I want them to keep it to themselves because I think that is a winnable battle, I don't really care about saving these people from their delusional worldview.
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf Then you have an extremely limited world-view and I implore you to pull your head out of the sand and join us in the good fight. You seem to think that the best way to prevent suffering is to drive the fundies out of power which is why ridicule and superiority is so important to you. You can't conceive that the problem of believing things that aren't true goes far deeper into the heart of society, vaccines, conspiracy theories etc, you need to spread science, not attack stupidity.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 I agree I'm not accomplishing anything to forward society but I would argue that neither are you. For every sheep that you convert to reason there are 10 more being indoctrinated with religion. Religion is slowly evolving to become less and less important to society but there really isn't much we can do speed up this evolution. I'll keep marginalizing idiots like Shimkus by calling them delusional retards untill enough people can see this themselves. Then I'll feel sorry for them
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf Then you're full of shit. If it wasn't for debunkers and rationalists I would still be a sick and deluded individual. I have rescued people from cults and dissuaded people from avoiding chemotherapy in favor of quack therapy. I myself used to be a climate change skeptic/conspiracy theorist. You are provably full of shit because every poll shows atheism and freethinking is on the rise compared to religion in America. So, head out of the sand or go home
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 I said that religion is on the declin in my comment... But religious people still make up the vast majority of our society. about 80% of Americans are one denomination of christians or another. Just over 3 % are other religions, and roughly15-17% are considered as belonging to no religion at all. That is still a small minority. I am happy you have taken an interest in improving humanity and educating these people but I just think it is a losing battle in our lifetimes.
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf You just don't get it, I'm fully chastising you for being lazy and deluded when it comes to investigating the human condition. We need every single person who understands what science and skepticism is to become a teacher and a social critic for the new age. The only reason you get to sit there and feel smart is because of the hard work and self-sacrifice of other people who influenced those who influenced you. And you're letting the chain break with you, as bad as the rest of 'em.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 You do that by concentrating on policy that will educate the next generation, not by trying to convert people who don't want to be converted and are happy living in blissful ignorance. You become as bad as the religiou nuts who travel the world to spread their faith. There is no reasoning with someone who truely has faith. That is what faith is, being positive that you are right and they are wrong regardless of anything you see or hear that might suggest the opposite. (contd)
durhamdf 11 months ago
@InnerSmile72 (contd) Like I said, I have no problem with just religious people, I have a problem with fundamentalism. That is, reading the bible litterally and trying to enforce this worldview on the rest of society out of what they think is sympathy. With these people, trying to convince them of something contrary to their religious values is like trying to convinvce a schizophrenic person they are schizophrenic. It isn't impossible, but it's as close as it gets.
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf Just remember this all started because you misread my obvious joke and called me a fucking idiot. We get a buzz from being better than others for evolutionary purposes and you abuse it. It doesn't matter if it's religion or vaccine skepticism, you approach it with the same honor and evidence-based approach, it's the same problem in the mind with the same solution. How likely success is doesn't matter, you do this because it's the right thing to do, you're breaking the golden rule.
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@durhamdf It's just not the way you see it. There are literally thousands of people who are out there changing the minds of people who do female circumcision every day. The suffering that alleviates is incalculable. Imagine people didn't believe that was possible. I don't think any rational person in the skeptical community really cares what people believe if they aren't directly hurting anyone but them selves at the moment. They're worried about terrorism and cults, tell them it doesn't work!
InnerSmile72 11 months ago
@durhamdf Well, apparently someone found an article by sources that most atheists consider reliable, Time and CNN. Don't you believe them?
BibleTruth1000 11 months ago
@BibleTruth1000 are you the same guy as twocents worth? still talking about the moon generating light hahah. Saying time and cnn is not citing a source. Lets see a link or at least some article info. I can gaurutee you that cnn and time never printed an article saying that a chunk of rock generates its own light source. Have you ever seen a new moon? hahaha
durhamdf 11 months ago
@durhamdf The Bible is literal unless revealed as allegory, etc. What you fail to realize is that there is a separation of covenants. The Old Covenant of the law was in force until Jesus died on the cross and rose again from the dead. Acts chapter 2 is when the New Covenant of grace in Christ began when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to those waiting as He instructed, in the upper room. Peace and God's grace to you as you seek Him.
BibleTruth1000 11 months ago
@durhamdf
Per Time/Cnn: Thought taught that moonlight is nothing more than reflected sunlight, students may well have been misinformed. More and more scientists have become convinced that the moon occasionally generates light of its own. Some areas of the moon DO glow. Westinghouse Electric Corp. scientist has gone a step further. An ever-shifting, narrow strip of the moon, he believes, constantly emits a glow of its own. God never lies.
MyTwoCentsWorth100 11 months ago
@durhamdf eff u and u dont mess with OUR GOD and u so frerking sad right u actually damm watching this video
kuruma005 9 months ago
@kuruma005 I assume that was English...but it is clear that you Christians with your home schooling have been done a great disservice by your parents and your church.
durhamdf 9 months ago
@durhamdf u sound like u been taking cock no lie
kuruma005 8 months ago
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@kuruma005 "eff u and u dont mess with OUR GOD and u so frerking sad right u actually damm watching this video" -some retard named Kuruma005
Yeah...it might not be a bad idea to invest in some adult education classes or something retard
durhamdf 8 months ago
America has always been, is, and will continue to be a Christian nation by majority, and a republic which stands for the freedom of religion.
Those who do not believe in God have no moral compass worth anything. Their "morals" shift with the prevailing wind at any given moment.
Foreigners, especially atheistic or cultish ones, have no say in how we run our country.
CalebsReport 1 year ago
@CalebsReport Unless you're pure-blood Native American, you're a foreigner. Sad that your just and loving God, couldn't (not for the first time , re Canaan) lead his children to the promised land without bloodshed.
I guess life is cheap when you're the Almighty and you don't have to answer to anyone.
R4t10n4L 1 year ago
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Indians were not native to this land either. They came from the mountains of Ararat as we all did, from where the ark landed with Noah and his family.
MyTwoCentsWorth100 1 year ago
@MyTwoCentsWorth100 So they had no rights to this land? If so, then no-one has an inalienable right to any property except if they can defend it by force.
R4t10n4L 1 year ago
@BibleTruth1000
America is not a christian nation by any means, and what on earth do you guys know about your own values? nothing it seems. "Love thy neighbour", yet were bombing the shit out of other countries, a billion people are starving, and we continue to go to church, give money, for what cause? Jesus threw the merchants out of the temple. Some christian nation. You guys preach a free nation like America blindly, without even stopping to think about whats actually going on. Bullshit.
AiDwFl 1 year ago
This shit has got to go.
AiDwFl 1 year ago
@AiDwFl
Your excriment has to go. America is a Christian nation by practice and a nation of freedom of religion and freedom of speech anywhere, any time, any place.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 2
A little information from NASA, a little known scientific organization:
Dr. Hansen, one of the world’s leading climatologists, “we find global warming is continuing unabated.”
The agency also found that 2009 was the second warmest year since 1880, when modern temperature measurement began. The warmest year was 2005. The other hottest recorded years have all occurred since 1998.
John Shimkus and jhn146 are both idiots.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
Ridiculous and Interesting that you would cite anyone at NASA to support global warming lies, as NASA leadership has long been married to the lies of evolution, hence their "Origins" program, is into virtual "reality" rather than photography and tied to unsavory projects such as Project Blue Beam.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 3
@BibleTruth1000
When you send a rocket into space I'll take your word over NASA's. Until then, you should think about what NASA has done for you and you should probably not use your cell phone or the internet until you get it.
Looks like we got another conspiracy theorist on our hands.
BibleTruth100 - follows Project Blue Beam
jhn146 - follows climate gate.
John Shimkus - can't do simple math and takes the bible literally.
Take off the tin foil hats a read a science book.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1 What exactly has NASA done for me? Hmmm? Exactly what?
CalebsReport 1 year ago 3
@CalebsReport
Well little boy... Blood pressure testers. lenses. communication and TV satellites (needed for modern war). Nitinol memory alloy (commonly used in stents for blood vessels/braces). Telemetry (fly in airplanes?) Temper-pedic. Tephlon coating. Velcro (I assume you don't know how to tie your shoes). GLOBAL WARMING STUDIES and SO MUCH MORE. Many scientists and air force commanders have sacrificed their lives to give us these luxuries. Be thankful.
Learn to GOOGLE. Idiot.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1 Hansen plans to impose Chinese totalitarianism on America; carbon fascism “Has this guy ever heard of the Gang of Four, or the Cultural Revolution, which killed those who were inconvenient? Or the Great Leap Forward, which used the best technical information to determine that a steel mill in every backyard was a good idea?" P.J.Michaels of the Washington Times. Mao killed at least 40 million. Some say he killed over 70 million. Some "hero" you picked with Hansen.
CalebsReport 1 year ago 4
@CalebsReport
You call global warming "Chinese totalitarianism on America; carbon fascism"? You're another conspirator. How is protecting the environment carbon fascism? Get a clue. He's a climatologist with NASA, and independent agency. Wikipedia him and look at the "Honors and awards" section.
CalebsReport conspiracy - NASA is a chinese commi organization
Man, all you guys are crazy.
Take off the tin foil hats and let go of the conspiracy theories.
Nice tangent by the way.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
Absolutely! It is another control mechanism along with Obama(lack-of)care and TSA molestations.
CalebsReport 1 year ago 3
@CalebsReport
Another nice tangent. Obamacare has nothing to do with global warming. Stay on subject little boy. And if we didn't have control mechanisms like the EPA then companies like BP would be able to spill oil all over the golf and not claim responsibility. Get a clue. Ironically, against your point, the fascism lies with the companies (corporatists) buying control of anti-environmental laws so they don't have to spend money to clean up their byproducts. Words have meanings, learn them.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
That's what all this false "science" is about; taxing everyone (theft) based on nothing but lies by fascists who care nothing for people or the environment. It is all about the love of money above all else.
Wikipedia is not authoritative, it is user-supplied much like YouTube videos. You sound so naive that I'd guess you'd think SNOPES is a large, neutral research organization rather than just one ultra-liberal leftist wingnut woman in CA working from her house.
CalebsReport 1 year ago
@CalebsReport
I'm looking forward to the nanotechnological revolution that will displace these issues altogether; such as self-organizing molecular photonics, or fusion reactors (MIT - levitating dipole experiment, National Ignition Facility). It is fortunate that the free market has infinitely more power than the opinions of religious zealots. Whether a person chooses to ignore the findings of climatologists or not will be characteristically irrelevant very soon.
o0xemas0o 7 months ago
@ofallonp1 Man seated next to 10 year old girl on an airplane says, "Want to talk?" "About?" "Oh, global warming, universal health care, stimulus packages?" smiling smugly. "OK. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff yet a deer poo's little pellets, a cow poo's a big flat patty, a horse poo's clumps. Why?" Surprised, "Hmmm, I have no idea." Little girl replies, "Do you really feel qualified to discuss global warming, universal health care, or the economy, when you don't know shit?"
MyTwoCentsWorth100 1 year ago 3
@MyTwoCentsWorth100
I think you're agreeing with me, but if not, maybe you could contribute.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1 Hell no, I'm not agreeing with you. In the story, you are the equivalent to the man, and those of us with common sense are as the little girl who tells the man he doesn't know shit, so don't even try to discuss it.
MyTwoCentsWorth100 1 year ago
@MyTwoCentsWorth100
I know my shit because I am a research scientist and engineer. You contribute nothing to the conversation except a little story and stating Indians are not native. Nice contribution. I think you don't know sh*t because you have nothing to contribute.
Common sense in this case should be science, factual information, not bible stories. I'm sure you will join your fellow bible thumpers in their conspiracy theories. Good luck to you.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
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jhn146 1 year ago
To put it into perspective, would all the Christians here be happy if a we had a Muslim representative and he stood up and read quotes from the Qur'an? A jew rep read the Torah or the old testament. Or how about a Mormon reading the Book of Mormon. All these instances are inappropriate. This isn't an intrusion on their right to practice whatever religion they please.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
The first 5 books of the bible (Torah) are in the Christian's bible, silly.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 3
I applaud the Congressman for his courage to express his religion and stand up for his freedom of speech. In no way is he trying to legislate religion. His religion has no need to be kept private. It is illegal to put a religious test to any government official.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 5
Carbondioxide belongs to the physical clearly. The spiritual way Mr Shimkus chose for himself is and allways shall be his private thing, his right and freedom.
But his spiritual way seems to be his source of information in decisions over our very physical world and over a lot of Americans, foreigners and creatures of other species who don't share his views. Decisions on the physical and public should be led by science not religion. Especially when it's decisions that are about industry law.
deviceslashnull 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
Only one who thinks God is not real would say that. Those of us who know Him cannot think of him as mythical or not involved in our physical world.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 4
@BibleTruth1000 Even though I don't believe in an interference of god with our physical world I respect the fact that You do. But I think You as well as anyone will admit that humans do interfere with the world around us in many ways. Some effects are easily connected to their cause others are not. When it comes to CO2 which is invisible we find ourselfes in the middle of a religious discussion altough it is clear we produce a lot of it. Maybe it is part of gods will that we improve ourselves?
deviceslashnull 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
That was not the Congressman's point. His point was that despite man's doings, God has told us the future of the earth and how earth will end. God is all-knowing. The Biblical prophecies never fail.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 3
@BibleTruth1000 Well if the biblical prophecies fail they are instantly declared an allegory ... and infailable.
If two religions declare infailability ... who is right?
(Yeah right ... the bible of course as all who know 'HIM' ... it's really hard to keep up a respectful conversation with people who are owning the infailable truth.)
deviceslashnull 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
The US Constitution never mandates that our religious freedom is to be expressed only privately. In fact, it says the opposite, that the free expression of our religion cannot be prohibited.
CalebsReport 1 year ago 2
@CalebsReport freedom of religion is also freedom from religion if meant honestly. Being dominated by a religious majority who makes laws and decisions on the basis of an ancient book is not a form of freedom.
Let's assume America had a wahabit muslim majority, Your wife would be forced to wear a burka by law ... but she would still be free to have a cross attached to it and express her christian faith ... what kind of freedom is that? If laws are made by the bible religious freddom is a lie.
deviceslashnull 1 year ago
@BibleTruth1000
Yep, because you're crazy and have no grip on reality.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@BibleTruth1000 Even if there was such a thing as a god, it would be beyond a human mind to know. You're only deluding yourself if you think otherwise.
R4t10n4L 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
Since God is the Creator of all science, and since God inspired the Bible from which the Christian religion originates, and since the Bible contains many scientific facts revealed by God long before man discovered them, then your false premise that science and "religion" are mutually exclusive is completely and forever illogical. That makes all your points moot.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago
@BibleTruth1000 How about you leave science to the scientists and work on your religion - you know, getting consensus from the Catholics, Protestants, Trinitarians, non-Trinitarians, Dispensationalists, non-Chalcedonians and all those other Christians who somehow missed being united under your unchanging divine revelation. Oh, and gather ye Jews unto your bosom, while you're at it. After all, they are the original chosen ones, right.
Come back and talk science once that's all cleared up.
R4t10n4L 1 year ago
@BibleTruth1000 Come back and talk science when you've achieved consensus with your various Jewish, Catholic, non-Trinitarian, non-Chalcedonian, and all the myriad forms of Yahweh-worship. I wonder how it can be so hard for those who bask in the light of the divine and its revealed truth to agree on the unchanging word of the Almighty.
R4t10n4L 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
Evolution is deemed "science" that is now forced on public school students as if it was fact with absolutely no evidence to back it up. The Bible, on the other hand, has never been proven wrong, therefore has all the evidence needed to be presented to public school students as fact. In fact, in 1782, the United States Congress voted this resolution: "The congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools."
CalebsReport 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
Anything Jesus said prior to the crucifixion was under the old covenant. The covenant changed with His death and resurrection. The New Covenant begins in Acts chapter 2.
jhn146 1 year ago 6
@jhn146 Oh, I see You are much more familiar with this old collection of scripts than I am. Severe efforts must have been necessary to gather this kind of knowledge.
There however seems to be no rational reason to assume the contents of the old books is telling us more about reality than any other fictional or semi-fictional book. (i.E. Dan Brown novells)
This is not meaning to insult Your beliefs it's plainly a result of thinking about what we can know and how probably this or that is.
deviceslashnull 1 year ago
@deviceslashnull
My trust in the Bible is because I know Him personally, and He has confirmed that the Bible is indeed Scripture which He inspired to be written. This kind of relationship can't be explained. You just need to experience it for yourself, then you will understand.
jhn146 1 year ago 5
@deviceslashnull
Dan Brown tells you right off the bat that his work is fiction, though he muddies the water just enough to seemingly be stating that his sources are factual when they are not.
CalebsReport 1 year ago 3
@deviceslashnull
Throughout the Bible, there is a contrast between the physical and the spiritual. As the Apostle Paul wrote, the physical comes first, then the spiritual (I Cor. 15:45-47). Adam, the first man, came from the earth and was physical. The "last Adam", Jesus Christ, is from heaven and is spiritual. The Old Covenant was physical and was replaced by the New Covenant which is spiritual.
jhn146 1 year ago 5
@deviceslashnull
God and His Word are timeless. Even after the earth passes away, his Word will remain.
CalebsReport 1 year ago
My goodness, is this somekind of american joke??
NamesBen 1 year ago
@NamesBen
And what nation do you call home?
jhn146 1 year ago 5
@jhn146 So far Hungary (Birth), New Zealand (Residence), Australia (Residence).
NamesBen 1 year ago
@NamesBen
Have you ever studied our Constitution?
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 3
@BibleTruth1000 Can't say I have. But I am trained in political theory, and have consulted the works of Madison, Jefferson, Locke, Smith and others who influenced, or played an active role in designing your constitution. I believe it was Jefferson who first proposed the "wall of separation between church and state", and for good reason. He was a product of a feudalistic world, knitted by religion. One he wanted America to rise above. Two-hundred years later, his message seems to be forgotten.
NamesBen 1 year ago
@NamesBen
right on. Well put and accurate.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@NamesBen why just those? Why not study our actual government and how and why it was formed.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago
@NamesBen
Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well-worn Bible: "I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."
CalebsReport 1 year ago
@NamesBen Only God is good, Mark 10:18b, so to apply goodness to yourself is inaccurate.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago
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What state do you live in jhn146? Kentucky? Georgia? Texas? Alaska? Everyone should realize that Jhn146 is the reason we need to put more resources into our educational program here in america. People like him actually vote, and they vote for people like John Shimkus. "What is this 'science'? what are these so called 'fact'?" lol. You are an idiot my friend. Put down the bible, take off the tin foil hat, stop watching conspiracy movies and pick up a simple high school science book.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
Is that your best slam, to disparrage certain states in America? Creationism needs to be balanced with the hypothesis of evolution in our public schools. By the way, Christianity is the faith of 90% of Americans. You won't win despite your yapping.
jhn146 1 year ago 6
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@jhn146
Why, was i right? Besides your facts being wrong, obviously, it still doesn't give you the right to force your religion on the other so called 10%. If you don't understand that simple fact, you are incapable of understanding most logic. Creationalism is taught, as a theory and only that. Even the pope admits evolution is a fact and god created the universe at the big bang. This is actually widely accepted amongst religious scholars. you don't read much, do you?
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
No, I live in AZ not far from where the unspeakable tragedy happened today. Have you no decency to even mention it or offer condolences? I pray for Congresswoman Giffords that she survives and thrives, and I pray for the families of those slain so senslessly by apparently a worthless punk and apparently assisted by another worthless punk.
jhn146 1 year ago 7
@jhn146 The country mourns with you in what that left-wing radical did on Saturday. We pray for Gabrielle Giffords' and the others wounded to recover fully and for God to comfort the grieving family and friends of the ones who were killed. We also wish Obama and his wife were not invading your territory and wasting all the taxpayer's money to grandstand in the very state in which he is suing your Governor. God Bless you.
BibleTruth1000 1 year ago 2
@BibleTruth1000
What an ignorant statement. Generalities of "left-wing radical"? Where do you get your information on his political stand. Please cite sources. AND don't use the tragedy as a cop out. You had a weak argument, I called you out on it and you avoided the conversation with this BS. Keep up the conspiracy theories, you nut.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1 The things he says and the books he's got listed as his favorites are of a left-wing radical/anarchist. Media networks besides Fox News won't talk too much about the Conservative Republican judge, because they are more busy trying to link this monster with Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, the Tea Party, and Fox News. The judge and some of the left-wing books this creep was into kills their arguments.
CalebsReport 1 year ago
@CalebsReport
Let's try this again. FACTS ARE GOOOOOOOOODDDDD. FACTS ARE OUR FRIENDS! I could probably find you a pop-up book.
Nice tangent again. Thanks for playing. Commi monster climatologist. haha. Thanks for the laugh.
Funny how you respond to a different quote of mine. You're unorganized and all over the place. And BTW, anarchists fall under libertarian more than it does left wing radical, and by libertarian I mean radical republicans. Read a book, I mean, besides the bible.
ofallonp1 1 year ago
@ofallonp1
I have no interest in anything any pope says. He does not represent Christianity.
jhn146 1 year ago 6
@durhamdf
There were no tax cuts, only a continuation of the same high tax rates which causes businesses to operate outside of our borders where they are not penalized by excessive taxes and government red tape.
jhn146 1 year ago 7
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@jhn146 High tax rates??? The Federal income tax rates are only 5% from their lowest levels in 100 years. You should look at the history of the federal income tax rate before you talk out of your ass moron. In the first term of your beloved Ronald Regan's presidency the Federal Income Tax rates were 70% for the highest bracket num nuts
durhamdf 1 year ago
@durhamdf
December 13, 2010
TOKYO — Japan will cut its corporate income tax rate by 5 percentage points in a bid to shore up its sluggish economy, Prime Minister Naoto Kan said. Companies have urged the government to lower the country’s effective corporate tax rate which now stands at 40 percent, around the same rate as that in the United States to stimulate investment in Japan and to encourage businesses to create more jobs.
CalebsReport 1 year ago 5
@durhamdf
There were no "tax cuts", only a continuation of the same tax rates as under Bush. Taxes are far to high to enable businesses to succeed very well in America.
jhn146 1 year ago 9
@jhn146 Dude, you don't understand science or economics. Read some History, Like the history of the Roman empire. I "leaders" are like the Senate in Rome, a wealthy upper class who make laws to protect themselves and the people who put them in power. The President is like the Emperor, only they do not ascend by deathly power struggles, they ascend by elections bought and paid for by corporations. We don't get the best President based on merit, we get the one who can secure the best funding.
gmcneel 1 year ago
@gmcneel
Yes, I know all that. What is your plan to overcome that?
And what has that to do with the video clip of the Congressman's freedom of religion and freedom of speech being expressed?
jhn146 1 year ago 5
@jhn146 No one is saying he does not have freedom of religion or speech. What he has is a job to do the right thing for our country. Persisting in a delusion that God will somehow not allow bad things to happen to us is not the way to run a country, however good it might make you feel. Shimkus has a complete lack of understanding of science and he misuses his position to proselytize Christianity. It has no bearing on the issue of climate. He should practice this right in private.
gmcneel 1 year ago
@jhn146 right because we only were just in the largest economic expansion in U.S. history with the taxes at 4% lower than the Bush cuts...Fucking short memory on you conservatives
durhamdf 1 year ago
@wyomingsmithstudios
He stated no such thing that man cannot destroy the earth. What he stated was God's foreknowledge that as long as the earth remains there will never be a global flood again, that heat and cold will remain and that seedtime and harvest will remain. Elsewhere in the Bible it tells us that the earth will, in fact, burn up. He will provide a new heavens and a new earth.
jhn146 1 year ago 8
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jhn146 1 year ago 3
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Unfortunately when you employ only faith, you ignore testable rationally derived evidence at you peril. Worse yet you ignore it at other's perils as well.
Keep you faith to yourself and base your governance and laws on fact based reasoning alone. I want no part of your religion!
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
@drfoxcourt
Global warming/climate change "science" has been proven fraudulent. Google "Climate Gate": 1079 emails and 72 documents released by hackers suggest actual conspiracy to defraud, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, and private admissions of flaws in their public claims. 31,487 American scientists say there is no such scientific evidence for such false faith.
jhn146 1 year ago 5
@jhn146 I would be very interested to know where you got the 31,487 american scientist number from. All I ask is for a source.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
@drfoxcourt
Glad to. This is from the Global Warming Petition project at Petition Project Dot Org.
jhn146 1 year ago 4
@jhn146 Thanks. I myself am uncommitted as to the truth of global warming. You have given me something worth reading.
Whether GW is real or not has no bearing on my objection to Sen Shiikus' comments. My objection is he is proposing that his religion has bearing on the making of law. Basing law on a religious belief is masochistic and totalitarian at it's core. It is the road to an American equivalent to Iran's sharia law. I've had enough or religion based reasoning.
drfoxcourt 1 year ago 2
@drfoxcourt
The vitriolic reaction to the quoting of a Bible verse has no place in America. He stated his own belief in this matter, as he trusts the God of the Bible to have communicated it by inspiration through the authors of the Bible. He did so per his right to free speech. Speech and religion are our American rights. Putting a religious test to any person serving in Government is disallowed by law.
jhn146 1 year ago 2