Giving Your 1903 Rifle Anti Material Capability

[Fullrubberman]

I have every bolt action from every country involved in WW2 and I have a 1903. The Mosin is the best hands down in every way. They are the best balanced weapon with the best iron sights. If I was forced to use a bolt action I would take the mosin over anything period. I understand people liking the 1903 because its American but it's a crap rifle along with the K98's compared to the Mosin. Either way I would hate to have any type of bolt action in combat. They are fun at a range but obsolete.

[rainmechanic]

@Fullrubberman you said "I have every bolt action from every country involved in WW2 and I have a 1903. The Mosin is the best hands down in every way. They are the best balanced weapon with the best iron sights. If I was forced to use a bolt action I would take the mosin over anything period" ..............................­.......... OK my question to you is are you including the Swiss K31 Schmidt Rubin in that analysis / opinion?

[Fullrubberman]

@rainmechanic Yes it does.. My opinion being 6'2" 200 lbs the ergonomics of the M91/31 far surpass any other bolt action weapon of that era WW1/WW2.Iron sights are extremely important as well as the overall balance.The Mosin is the only bolt action I would want "IF" forced to use a bolt action in battle.Of course I would rather use a Garand or M2 Pot belly Carbine or BAR if I suddenly found myself back in time in Battle Field Europe. As modern weapons you cant beat an AK and a Glock.

[WolffeGaming]

"Fashion their own loads"

[61loneviking]

Where did you get your sling? Looks like it's all canvas. I have a leather one, but I've been looking for a canvas one for wet weather use.

[thenoobcannon]

i thought armor peirceing rounds were NFA items.

[lafleurj9]

Do these wear the bore any more than a traditional round?

[alen209]

Just get a Mosin. It does the same thing for half the price.

[millerusaf]

@alen209 Having owned many Mosins, I can say that the Mosin does not measure up to the capability and design of a 1903 rifle.

[floridafyme]

@millerusaf You're right.

[L337M4573rL4rg0]

@millerusaf

It depends on the gun. My 1943 M91/30 is bloody stellar. The typical steel core medium weight 7.62x54rimmed ammo fired from an M91/30 will stop a car from running, will go through the door and passengers and the other door of an average car, and is a most excellent round for making body armor totally useless.

[HunterKiller308]

@L337M4573rL4rg0 a car? thats an easy target for any assault rifle, aside from the engine block itself.

it depends on the type of armor, a level 4 plate will stop a damn 30.06 AP, it will have no trouble with a 7.62R mild steel core round

[DaytonaRoadster]

imma get some for my Garand

[nbenicewicz]

Within the last 3 or 4 months I've obtained an 03A3 and I'd like to get the muzzle grenade launcher for it. Just for shits and giggles.

I wonder though if it would be possible to make your own AP rounds.

[guns4good]

@nbenicewicz If you can melt steel and shape it into a bullet, then coat it with copper then yes. It's most likely cheaper and MUCH easier to just buy them if you find them. Like this video advises: check local and state laws.

[HunterKiller308]

thats some good stuff, i keep my M1 Garand full of these bad boys...rifle plates or not you aint fuckin with my shit lol

[mrtlsimon]

The armor piercing round was used as sniper ammo in the Marine Corps back in WW2 and Korea because it was more accurate than the M2 ammo used in the Garand.

[pangolin9]

mili vid says will penetrate 4 inchs of hardened concrete. 

[aaadream]

A excellent video would be a demo of a few rounds in metal plate i bet

[mikeb1444]

I'd like to see some mallory metal slugs in the dimensions of a .223, and then put in 30 caliber sabot. Far more dense and strong than lead.

[blackriflear15]

cool

[oozylorddelvin]

when firing them ap's be sure of a real back stop.... they like to keep going.

[67mustangreg]

black tip is badass shit.. got nothin on my apit 50s though!

[corpsman1968]

Says something about modern battle rifles. The sub-caliber rounds can not even begin to match this capacity. During WW2 and Korea much of the issue ammo was AP as buildings, thick trees, armored vehicles and masonry walls were common forms of cover. This type of round, in 7,62x51 as well, could significantly reduce the need for CQB entries. But, nooooo, that is just to old school. I am told, not sure, that new production real AP rounds are no longer available to civilians.

[MrM2hb]

@corpsman1968 You are right the Gov. will not excess any of the good stuff any more. The law was passed many years ago, and the ap,api etc.. that is out there is all there is. Becoming very expensive. On gunbroker 308 API pulled projectiles sell for about $5 bucks each--ouch.

[1TacticalMedic]

Who the hell would thumbs down this?? Jeeeeez

[Jrhoney]

I try to keep 500 AP bullets on hand for reloading.

[MrSurgicalPrecision]

Pull the bullets and handload them into .308 cases to use in your M1A :)

[MegaGevehr]

@MrSurgicalPrecision Only you would leave that comment. Shooting them out of a Springfield 1903 is so much more fuckin' classy.

[ristin59]

Nice! A couple of shooters on a elevated location, protecting a community from insergents can do a lot of hurt on some bad guys with that rifle and that ammo.

Even if it's a motorized column.

[waxhawcreek]

mitchellsupply will only sell local?

[millerusaf]

@waxhawcreek They sell over the internet also.

[Makingnewnamesisdumb]

Strange that a 1903 is chambered in a 1906 round.

[millerusaf]

@Makingnewnamesisdumb I'd love to have an ultra rare early 1903 rifle chambered in the 30-03 cartridge.

[J3rEmY17]

@millerusaf How would you ever find 30-03 ammo?

[commieforniatactical]

@millerusaf There is one at my local place. He also has some rounds for it, he really isn't to keen on selling it though.

[Jrhoney]

@millerusaf Yeah, you and the Smithsonian, oh what, they have one I believe...

[danthman114]

@millerusaf you and everyone else. good luck. personally i want the bulpup version for the marine corps.

[Jesses001]

@millerusaf If I had one in 30-03, I would not own it for long that is for sure. I could sell it for enough to buy five 30-06s.

[ARKALER]

@Makingnewnamesisdumb

Call it a historical quirk. The rifle was developed and adopted in 1903 to rifle the newly designed and developed .30 caliber ammunition of 1903, which was a conical heavy bullet. The Germans developed the Spitzegeschoss or Spitzer bullet to circumvent the Hague treaty that outlawed soft tip bullets for use in war, and everyone else followed suit pretty quickly. The US did in 1906, and the ammunition was re-designated .30 caliber Model of 1906 or .30-06 (Thirty ought six)

[MavHunter20XX]

Armor peircing meaning it'll go through hardened armor plating and IBA ballistic plates. 7.62x54r mild steel core can go through steel plate no problem.

[jmmurdy]

Very cool....umm won't a 3006 round go through a car door. I Heard but don't know but they might go through a railroad track.

[millerusaf]

@jmmurdy I should've re-phrased.....it'll go through car doors (plural).

:)

[MrTrevor117]

@jmmurdy they can take out a engine block

[Failcard]

@jmmurdy Regular ball ammo can penetrate both the driver and passenger door. So yes, the armour piercing round will punch through a car.

[millerusaf]

@NiceNineMillimeter The anti-gunners excel at one thing and one thing only...spinning the truth around to suit the agendas.

[Firearmsforall]

Reconsider shooting that armor piercing ammo, the Denver ammunition is pretty collectible, plus there is always the possibility of it hurting your bore. But hey it's your gun your ammo and your choice. Happy shooting and thank you for your service.

[millerusaf]

@Firearmsforall If I am loading up and shooting this ammo, something serious has happened and reality has taken a turn for the surreal.

I don't plan on shooting it hardly at all.

[zombiekillerjordan]

Would love to see a test of these...do they have them in other calibers

[srtowner]

@zombiekillerjordan Sure, it's a military surplus round so any caliber that the military made AP rounds for you can probably find them somewhere for sale.