Kobe Bryant is great. I never watched jordan play. Im only 20. But i know kobe mutha fukn bryant is a beast. lets honestly say that if kobe bryant plays for 3-4 more seasons he will be utterly considered to be just a bit better or dead even with jordan. There will never be another kobe bryant, never, never, never, never, never, never, or jordan, never, never, never but even if you like jordan more than kobe or kobe more than jordan. Admire great players while they're playing.
Continued: Kobe's now in his 15th season yet his numbers are still inferior to Michael's numbers after only 13 seasons (12 really since he was injured for the majority of the 85-86 season)... So yeah, there you go... But this not to say that Kobe isn't great, cause he is... Just not as great or as accomplished as Michael...
Both are great, Michael the best of his time (and arguably of all time) and Kobe the best of the present time... Michael gets the edge though and here's just a couple of reasons why: Michael played with the Bulls for only thirteen years, racked up six titles (without the help of an equal superstar), averaged over 30 plus points per game (37.1 ppg in 86-87 season), and racked up 29,277 career points with the team... And he was injured and did not play for the majority of the 1985-1986 season...
whos better? 5 season mvp's 6 final mvp's, 13th consecutive scoring titles, 3rd all time leader in steals= jordan 1 season mvp, 2 finals mvp= kobe..... and jordan has a higher shooting percentage over all, better performance in the play offs especially the finals where it matters most! u must be an idiot to think kobe is better than jordan.... JORDAn=BASKETBALL! G.O.A.T.
1) Jordan shot 50% for his career. Bryant has never shot better than 47% in any season
2) Jordan won against Magic, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Miller, Ewing, Drexler... Bryant against Iverson, Pierce, Webber, Kidd, Howard... The East Conference in early 2000s was very weak
3) Bryant scored 81 points in regular season against Toronto. Jordan scored 63 in playoffs against the 1986 Celtics
4) Jordan averaged 30.1 points per game in regular season and 33.4 in playoffs. Bryant 25.3 and 25.4 points
@MegaJf16 Yes, the game has changed. Top scorers need 30 shoots per game to make 25 points. I would not call it difficulty but selfishness. Just watch and compare an All-Star game in early 1990s and now.
@xaviqaz "Top scores need 30 shots per game to make 25 points"
God you're ignorant.
MJ took more shots than the vast majority of guards (all time) to score the number of points he put up. You saw the stats I gave you on points per shot from the field right? Also, modern basketball is supposedly soft with ticky-tack fouls, yet MJ, again is among the top (all time) for most FT attempts at guard. MJ shot a hell of a lot of free throws, if you're wondering, yes, much more than KB even now.
@thiennguyenX2 Kobe Bryant: 8398 free-throw attempts in 1104 games (7.6 per game). Michael Jordan: 8772 free-throw attempts in 1072 games (8.2 per game). Considering that Jordan played 38 minutes per game vs 36 minutes per game for Kobe. Certainly you cannot say "much more" free throws than KB.
I don´t care if Jordan took more shots: he made 50% of them in his career. Kobe Bryant NEVER made more than 47% in one single regular season.
40 shots to score 40 points = 50%, nice logic. Players should all aim for 50%, seeing as that's what an efficient player is to ignorant fans like you. Field Goal % don't mean shit. Such a pathetic stat why are you so attached to it? eFG? TS?
MJ played in a 'tougher' league and still got more FT attempts, that says what about how much star treatment he got? How the hell do you get more FT attempts in the 80-90s than modern players? lol
@thiennguyenX2 Jordan got one FT attempt for each 4.6 minutes in court. Bryant for each 4.7 minutes in court. Where is the huge difference?? Where´s the star treatment?? Those are real figures. Making 50% means that he had better shot selection, even when he was 35.
KB takes 2.5x more threes. TWO and a HALF TIMES MORE.
POINT PER SHOT is the most effective way of seeing how many points a scorer can put up, whenever he takes a shot...
"Suppose Player A goes 4 for 10 with 2 threes, while Player B goes 5 for 10 with 0 threes. Each player would have 10 points from field goals, and thus would have the same effective field goal percentage (50%)"
Stay the away from math, You just are not getting this.
@thiennguyenX2 Even if you were right, MJ did better in points per shot. And MJ also made more assists, rebounds and steals per game. Far better player. Period
@xaviqaz "far better player" right, only in your universe man.
And 1.02 vs. .98 is not far better... For every 100 shots(!), MJ would score 4 more points from the field. Less points than LBJ even, FAR better really? Assists? Good lord, barely. Rebounds? Barely. Steals, I guess...?
MJ is the superior player but don't use "far" better or "way" better if you want to be objective. In the 3 times they met, KB at just 18-19, hung with MJ despite playing less minutes. So no, you can't use "period".
KB has made the all-defense team more times than MJ. Not a strong argument here.
Passer. MJ = 5.3 assists career, KB 4.7. Half an assist more per game over the career, I wonder if 03-07 playing with Smush Parker/Kwame Brown hurt his assist numbers at all? Not to mention 3 years off the bench as an 17 year old rookie?
Rebounder, yep. MJ got one rebound on him. Prob is better, also, no Shaq/Gasol/Bynum to do all the rebounding for MJ.
@xaviqaz So which one of those stats have you brought up that shows that MJ is FAR/WAY!!!! superior? The one rebound (no big to take rebounds in MJ's entire career relative to KB's 4 bigs), the half an assist, the .04 points per shot, the defense fallacy?
So MJ's stats show a slightly better (caveat) rebounder. A better defender yes, he is, by much? really? MJ did not deserve his DPOTY over Cooper that year. After 91' many people would consider him overrated on defense even. Iverson owned MJ.
Jordan played in the 80s-90s where 90% of you delusional fanboys constantly argue as being the "tougher/less calls/no ticky tack calls" and here you got MJ getting more calls than a modern era player. The fact that MJ is even close in FTA means one, MJ's era is no more difficult for scorers or two, MJ's era was more difficult but it didn't matter cuz he got calls all day anyway.
He shot nearly 1,000 FT in 86, that's pretty nice for your PPG averages.
@thiennguyenX2 If not michael, it's kareem, if not kareem, it's irving, if it's not irving, its bird, the list goes on. Kobe is an amazing player, but he shouldn't be in the arguement of best ALL TIME
Look at the number of players/coaches who think he's the best player of the era. Sounds like all time greatness to me. But you'll stick to your opinion I'm sure.
But there is no best all time. There are 5 positions and tons of ways to approach the game.
@xaviqaz I gave you a stat that for every supposed magical, godlike, well-chosen shot that MJ takes from the field, he scores no more points than does KB, Wade, and even less than LBJ PER SHOT.
That means they ALL choose their shots from the field equally well and they all score the same amount of points in the same amount of attempts. Is this rocket science? Why am I repeating o.o?
1) KB scored 61 in 3 quarters against the Mavs, could have gone past 80+ 2x, only man to ever outscore an entire team on his own, Mavs got destroyed with Dirk playing.
2) I love how you don't even mention freaking CP3, Wade, LBJ, Rose, DUNCAN (u leave out duncan???), Dirk, NASH, Parker, Yao, Tmac, Carter, even if the east was weak (as it was in MJ's day - they went 72-10 be real), you'd still have to get past the West to win. And Jordan won against old Magic, small caveat eh?
@xaviqaz FG% doesn't mean shit. A guard that takes more 3s than one that doesn't (cough MJ*) will have their FG % go to shit (Allen). Compare eFG%, KB 48.8% MJ 51.1%. Huge dif, not.
When you compare the point per shot, MJ's is 1.02 to KB's .98, as in there is barely a difference. Take that further to other top tier scorers like Wade (.99) and LBJ (1.025).
KB's and MJ's career numbers are highly skewed... MJ's first playoff series had him at 43ppg!!!! But it only lasted 3 games. Way to skew.
Lmao, you guys are hilarious! Mike better than Kobe by far?!?! Hell no! Not by far, I'm
not goin' to say who's better, cause this is an arguement that's goin to last a lifetime,
If Mike is better ok cool, but Jordan is not WAY better than Kobe, as far as Michael paving a way for Kobe and others, well, someone needs somebody to look up to right?
@finalfatasyfreak49 I agree MJ is better than Kobe, but as far as the 2 best SGs Michael Jordan and Jerry West are 1a and 1b and KB is a DISTANT 3rd. West scored better, shot better, defended better, and passed better than KB. The closest guy to MJ at the SG pos. is Jerry West and is right below him. I mean he avg. 27 w/o a 3pt line and was just as intense and had as high of a bball IQ. There is a reason he is the NBA LOGO.
jordan the best an he wold beat kobe aney day like mj said himslef he is the most competitive guy in the nba thet have ever been mening if he would be plaing rite now he would have done more than what he did before why cuz rite now there is more competition than when he was playing around
nobody dominated the game like mj kobe is very good my opinion is there was better players back in the day the fundamentals of the game is taken lightly now most players dont want to practice to get better anymore nowadays all you gotta do is make a couple of good highlights and your a star now not putting kobe down but mj is great even until he retired
Kobe can hit a contested shot better than Jordan. Jordan was better at just about everything else, but Kobe's right there with him. Kobe's contested jump shot is the best EVER though! MJ had better shot selection so most of his shots were open thanks to his dribbling, but Jordan's contested/fadeaway jumpers were flat and short. Kobe can hit a shot with a hand in his face, give him props.
I cant believe this is a discussion. WITHOUT A DOUBT put MJ in his prime against Kobe in his prime and MJ would wipe the floor with Kobe. I cant believe yall are even discussing this o_0
@YoChickSuckedMe dude im right up there with you i do not know how or why people even compare them. to me jordan made kobe jordan paved the walk way for kobe Jordan is the best there ever was an the best there ever will be no matter what. I remember watching these to battle it out when kobe first came in the league still till this day i believe jordan would out do kobe on any given day.when will people realize jordan is better then kobe.
Jordan created the image of the nba? Ok, But Kobe Is The Image Of The Nba Kobe bryant black mamba , Air Jordan , Now look very closly at those names < Jordan is good but kobe is better, Jordan only took about 1 to 2 3s in a game while kobe is a monster at everything come on!!!!!
There are things Joordan would not be able to do in this league compared to the 90s people use his stats as a crutch. If all u can do is point out numbers it makes u look pathetic. Stop being Kobe stans and Jordan homers people its pathetic now
MJ is BETTER then Kobe but Kobe is the closet player to MJ but at the same time there is nothing MJ did that Kobe can't do and their is nothing Kobe can do that MJ hasn't already done!
@mrreeseatl There is plenty that MJ did that Kobe can't do... 10 scoring titles, double three-peats with all 6 NBA Finals MVPs, record at least 200 steals in a season (Jordan did it 6 times), record at least 100 blocks (did it 2 times), defensive player of the year, score 3000 points in a season (only him and Wilt Chamberlain have done this), 3 steal titles, sweep the MVP awards (reg. season, NBA Finals, All-Star game), lead his team to best regular season record in history... need I go on?
this skill thing is bullshit. Just because a player is skilled doesn't mean their better. It's how you affect the game and the scoreboard not how good your fadeaway is etc. I would rather have a player that scorers 30 ppg in 20 shots then a player that scores 27 ppg in 20 shots even if the player who averages more points is less skilled because because points are points
im just gonna say one thing. dont say kobe is better than mj if u werent even alive to see mj play cuz those are most of the peole that say kobe is better which is totally un true. mj was much better on defense as well as offense
Look,comparing them will solve nothing,MJ vs Kobe will forever be a fantasy like Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali.Yeah you can compare stats,style of play,championship rings,but you will never have a definite answer unless you had them both play at the peak of their careers.Yeah they played each other a few times but Kobe had very little experience and although Mike had lots of experience,he was still getting old.You'll never have a definite answer,just voice of opinion.
And when ppl bring up taller defenders. Tall defenders are slower. MJ would just blow right by them with his first step and without the ball, they wouldnt be able to keep up. For example...Josh Smith is tall, athletic, but slow laterally.
This is why the Pistons put Linsey Hunter on D-Wade in 2006 because Prince was to slow laterally.
1988-1993 MJ would blow right by 6-8, 6-9 defenders. Guys 6-3, 6-4 are quicker laterally
Jordan knew how to position himself better on defense, fight, and stay over the screen
4. Mid Range Jumper - Jordans was more consistent and with less dribbles. One bounce dribble pull up from 18 feet. Kobe is streaky
5. Playing off the ball. Its not even close. Kobe likes to dribble dribble dribble. This is why double teams bother him more. Jordan would simply pass, shake, cut, get it back and finish. Thats called fundamentals you learn in College under Dean Snith at North Carolina ..
1. Athletic ability. MJ had a 48 inch vertical. Kobe's was 37. Check the lift on Jordans jumper 1988 to 1993 his prime.
2. Quickness. Mj's first step was much quicker. Got to the basket more and finished better in the paint.
3. Defense. Youtube Jordan defense at 34 years old. Watch how he stays in front of Rod Strickland and knows how to defend over the screen. Kobe goes under the screen all the time and doesn't fight.
@hordanpaypen wtf kobe has no comp to jordan think mj malone malone kareem thomas drexler mugsy barkely shaq oljuawon magic dr j wilkins stockton ewing miller and more yet he still had a 37.1 ppg in his 2nd full season coming off a broken foot
You can't compare them.They are in a different era,basketball has changed and you just dont know the effect that one of them would have at the era of the other.Besides,Kobe has deeply influenced by MJs game and has evolved some of his moves so there is a little of MJ in KB.Although i must say that foundamentally and athletically MJ was better.Dont give me wrong, Kobe is a great great player but MJ had the whole package(mind and body) at the highest level..
Kobe's favorite player was Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant saw Michael Jordan in the streets, and he greeted him, but Michael didn't hear him. From that day on, a fire ignited in Kobe that he will do anything so that Michael would once know him.
Kobe guarde better players in the finals RIP Halmiton , Billups, Prince, and hit the Game Tying 3pointer. Allen Iverson shut down for 2and3rd qts. Kobe 19-5 blocks oh. Rashard Lewis no easy cover shut down. Ray Allen.Mj, let's see Ehlo,Hersey Hawkins,Honacek,Byron Scott at his end. Pippen guaded the better player always so MJ could rest.Buff said.
@pmpthroback: I see you conveniently left out the best player either of them had to guard in the Finals: Clyde Drexler. MJ's performance against Drexler in 1992 is one of the reasons I consider him better than Kobe. But I agree that, in the Finals at least, Kobe went up against some tough competition at that position.
People say the bulls came close without Jordan he made them better players.After Jordan retired the players he made better were no were near as good as when they played with MJ.Phil said Jordans advatage against Kobe Bryant was the size of his hands.But he is not going to make Bryant look to much less than MJ and if Jordan played under todays rules they say the would have averaged 50 points per game don't see Kobe averaging even 35.Both are great but MJ will always be the best ever.
Michael Jordan is the best ever talk about players that won moe titles but played longer and wilt though great was much taller than MJ.And comarable players played when baskatball was not as talented got better as time past.Kobe is a great player so is Labron James but they can't toach mike.Great like Majic Bird and Barkly said he was be the best ever.Bird said he was like a god on the court.LIke another comment said Jordan was way ahead of his time Briant was very good in his time.J number 1.
I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER! JORDAN FROM THREE: 29%,23%, 18%, 27%, 19%, 27%, 13%,17%, 16% AND 12% AND 19% FROM THREE IN TWO PLAYOFF'S! AND I HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ON THE FUNNIEST VIDEO'S, THE THREE POINT CONTEST OF JORDAN! NOW THAT WAS SOME FUNNY SHIT! PERIOD!
Jordan and Kobe both are the best SG every hands down O yea they both are black so u cant go wrong with that two niggas the best players ever HAHAHA YA Digg P:
the funniest thing I have ever heard someone say is "kobe has a better J and range than mike"...lmao...I guess, but kobe's shot selection is wayyyyy off from mike...has kobe ever average 50% from the field throughout a season? I dont think so
@coolaidman13 I'm only joking dude...I know MJ is better than Kobe. And Rose the best ever??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?! What the fuck are you smoking?!?!?!?!? Rose is good, but not great. There have been many players who have had as good of seasons as Rose. He isn't all that great. Quit riding Rose's dick you fucking white wannabe. Rose will never be the best ever. LeBron and Kobe will go down as way better than Rose. Now go act your own color.
Only thing mike did from all others was leave the league only to come back and win 3 more rings, but mike had a supporting cast. Even when he was gone, scottie and the bulls almost made it too the finals. Shit, yall forget basketball is a team game, star players amiss. These guys wouldn't have what they have without the people around them. Now you wanna say who's the greatest position for position then you give these newcomers no chance.
When you have a pg like Magic a sg like Mike and so on.
I love how people say that mike is the greatest, when it isnt true. League mvp's and all amiss. He has 6 titles. kobe has 5 magic had 5 Kareem had what 5? bill russell 11 . Oscar robertson averaged a triple double in a season aswell as wilt averaging 50/20 over a season. plus 100 in a game. There is no greatest. The greatest achieves everything great triumphing overall. and doing it all. Too many other people did what mike didnt or couldnt. He was one of the great, but there is no greatest.
Michael played against smaller defenders such as the best lockdown defender of his era Joe Dumar who was 6"3 shooting guard. What happens when Kobe has a small fry trying to guard him? You know the answer. Kobe went up against young Artest, ray allen, t-mac, lechoke, shane battier, dwade, paul pierce, reggie miller, shawn marion, etc. Majority of the players i named were taller than Kobe, yet Kobe still drops huge numbers, it' amazing.
@sp00kyfrank Except that the players have gotten smaller since MJ retired. Due to the shift towards perimeters (MJ's influence), gone are the big centers and football PFs. 2007 and 2008 were the 2 shortest years since the 70s. Players have also lost about 2-4lbs since MJ retired. With the tough rules back then as well, layups were truly difficult which is why they changed the rules. You have it backwards.
@sp00kyfrank Unlike Kobe who is slow and can't beat smaller defenders off the dribble (he is permanently shut down by the best perimeter defender in the league today 6'4 T.Allen), MJ had to be guarded by smaller players. MJ was far superior athlete and much quicker than Kobe and in younger days he was more explosive than D-Rose. With bigger defender on him,he would simply blow by him and destroy him. Puting smaller guy on him was neccesity and the lesser evil.MJ still put 61 point on Dumars.
@HymanKaplan Kobe is much slower now, i admit, i mean he's had an arthritic right knee for the past few seasons. However, people seem to forget how athletic Kobe use to be during his younger days. Saying Kobe can't beat smaller defenders is ignorant, Kobe use to lead the league in most free throw attempts. Also, the "slower" Kobe in 2010 NBA finals dropped 30 in game 1 where he was guarded by Tony Allen and Ray Allen.
Rose is more explosive. 6"4, head almost hits rim when he dunks.
@sp00kyfrank i know Kobe was quick i saw him his whole career! I was just responding to the ignorant post before..I think Kobe's prime was 01-03, when he was much better athlete and defender, in 06 he just took more shots on horrible team, and it was after the rule change (no-hand ckeck etc). But MJ at the same age was much quicker. MJ in his rookie year was more explosive then Rose, he had 48' vertical (Rose 40') and he could dunk from the FT line. His first step was the most unguardable ever
@sp00kyfrank Ray Allen is an avarage defender and he was like 35 y...When MJ was 35y old and out of prime he destroyed young and athletic Ray Allen in the 90's.. Tony Allen is a different story. Kobe was scoreless on T. Allen in 2010 Finals.
@HymanKaplan You have to admit though, MJ had one of the healthiest basketball careers. Even at age 38 he was in very good shape.
Kobe was scoreless that is true, but it wasn't only because of tony allen, Celtics was an exceptional defensive team. If you see the 2010 finals, after Kobe dropped 30 in Game 1, Celtics threw triple/double teams, moving screens(fucking KG and Perkins -_-) at Kobe. It became a great defensive series, one of the best defenses ive seen.
@sp00kyfrank You do realize that moving screens help OFFENSIVE players do you? They STOPED calling them after the rule change in 06, together with 3 def rule and no hend checking the rules are designed for perimeter scorers. Young MJ would destroy this defense. The physical defense of the Celtics is a walk in the park compared to the 80's Bad boys or Riley's Knicks, those entire teams would foul out in the 1st quarter today. What was normal PO foul, today is ejection and 20 game suspension!
@HymanKaplan The Bad Boys, yes, had great defense, but Celtic's Defense wasn't too far from it. If you watch today's game you can see hand checking still occurs. And let's put today's freak athletes, Dwade, Lebron, Dwight, Rose, Kevin Durant, Blak Griffin, etc etc with the same era as Jordan with the same rules. Do you believe Jordan would have the same stats? Are you saying these athletic beasts won't be able to handle the physical nature of the players in MJ's era?
@sp00kyfrank I give you another athletic beasts Love, Dirk, Randolph 3 TOP PF's and they could barely dunk. MJ and Drexler could dunk from the FT line. Kemp was may be even better athlete than Griffin. Dominique, young Penny etc..the list goes on.. You have to understand athleticism has nothing to do with defense. Top defenders of past decade were Bowen, Kidd, Bell and Battier. Not exactly high flyers. MJ wouldn't have same stats in todays league, his stats would be much better...
@HymanKaplan No one has seen a player like Dirk before, the players these days are becoming more and more complete all around players. Griffin has a set of skills Kemp never had. Griffin has great handles and quickness at his position at pf. Would Dwight be DPOY if it wasn't for his athleticism? Defense is more than athleticism i know, but it helps. Guards are bigger now, MJ played in an era of 1on1 against shorter defenders. Any ball player knows height is an advantage in basketball.
@sp00kyfrank Again you have it backwards. Players were taller in MJ's era, the avarage hight today is smaller. Especially the centers today are much smaller and weaker. Defense has nothing to do with athleticism. Best perimeter defender today Tony Allen is 6'4. Again MJ couldn't be guarded by players his height, but since you never saw prime MJ it is hard to explain to you, when you decided to ignore that.. Todays era is actually more 1on1, with less ball movement and much worse fundamentals.
@HymanKaplan U're only saying it's 1on1 cs you been watching too much of the Heat. Look at the Mavs great team ball, and very poised team. Dirk? unstoppable. Lakers vs Celtics? GREAT SERIES great teams great D. I've seen MJ play, i was a pretty big fan actually, but then i saw Kobe cross up players and dunked on Ben Wallace from almost at the free throw line. And the league just got better, Yao ming(7"6, with great mobility), T-mac(13pointsin39sec), AI. Now Lebron, Durant(6"10 with a fadeway).
@sp00kyfrank Look you are obviously young and never saw prime MJ. So go on continue think that the NBA started 5 years ago. The sad thing in couple of years some ignorant kidd like you will be saying that Marshon Brooks is better than Kobe, cause in Kobe's era he faced unathletic defenders like Bowen, Artest, Bell and Battier. Good luck trying to explain anything to them..
@sp00kyfrank Trying to compare Yao to the level of 90's centers is pathetic. Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing etc. would decimate todays centers. Kobe didn't dunk on Ben from FT line, never even came close. His vertical is 37', MJ's 48'..
@HymanKaplan it was more than halfway from the baseline to the freethrow line. i never said Kobe jumps higher than MJ. Yao was still a great center, one of the few, almost only 7 foot centers that can shoot. Regardless, if you don't like Yao, how bout the other players i named. Did MJ face players like the other ones i listed, other than Scottie Pippen, whom MJ probably only faced during practice.
@sp00kyfrank Are you serious? The 80's and early 90's were stacked with hall of fame talents: Magic, Bird, McHale, Parish, Wilkins, Moses and Karl Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Kareem, Barkley, Ewing, Pippen, Worthy, Mullin, Dantley, B.King, English, KJ, DJ, Tim Hardaway, Drexler, Payton, Richmond, Miller, Isiah, Dumars, Rodman, Moncrief, Hill, Kemp, Robinson, Shaq, Alonzo, Penny, Kidd
@sp00kyfrank Btw. Concerning MJ facing Pippen in practice, this is all you need to know. Pippen was one of the best perimeter defenders ever, tough, physical, athletic with huge wingspan, 6'7 legit freethrow line dunker and according to their former teammates in 1990 Pippen challenged him 1on1 and MJ absolutely demolished him and rained points on him to the point Pippen had to step back and give up..
@HymanKaplan And you got nothing to say about T-mac, AI, Lebron, Durant? You just respond to this "ignotant kid's" arguments about Centers, when this argument is clearly about Guards? Who's the ignorant one now?
@sp00kyfrank What about them? They are all time great talents, I've never claimed anything else. I don't know in what way are you argueing guards. LeBron and Durant are forwards and Yao is a center.
I give you argument about guards. Name me 5 defenders from today who can guard prime MJ (let's say 1988 version - since you've said you saw more MJ) with todays defensive rules and they have to be better than what MJ faced in his time..And no, LeBron can not guard him..
@HymanKaplan MJ was the only premier guard of his time. You can't deny the fact that MJ would have more competition in his era, if T-mac, Lebron, Dwade, Rose, AI, list goes on, played in MJ's era. Who in MJ's era is gonna be better than these guys?
Not one defender is gonna stop MJ. can one defender stop Lebron, Dwade, Kobe? No. But the bigger and just as quick or quicker guards today will for sure bother Jordan. Young Artest or prime Kobe on Jordan? or Joe Dumars on Jordan in this era?
@sp00kyfrank Most of these guys are defensive liabilities, Rose, AI, T-Mac would be demolished defensively. On the other hand MJ as he said himself would foul out very soon today if he played the kind of defense he played in his era, cause of the new rules.The league shifted towards perimter players (MJ's influence) and completely changed the rules to favour perimeter players. All these guys do is drive to the basket which is much easier today, they can't play w/o ball and have no midrange game
@sp00kyfrank I take Dumars over Artest and Kobe no doubt. 40 year old MJ owned young Artest. with old school rules. Prime MJ would toy with him, he would be too slow for him. There's a rumour that MJ dominated Artest so bad in pre season pick up game as a 40 year old, that Artest got frustrated and slammed MJ to the ground and broke his hips. Young Kobe (2000 version - the last time he played all time great defense) would be nice challenge though.
@sp00kyfrank You Kobe fans try to pretend that MJ played like 100 years ago. You do realize Kobe played in the 90's? And even though he was young he couldn't dominate like in 00's. Ton of players faced both MJ and Kobe. MJ droped 51 and other 7 40+ point games as a washed up 40 year old in 02-03. Jason Kidd is a starting PG for a champ as a 38 y old! He was drafted in 94!!! That's a nice example that the league is actually in worse state than in their golden era in late 80's and early 90's..
@HymanKaplan Not really. MJ was the ONLY kind in his league with his ability to take over games. He was the beginning that's why he will always be the greatest winner to ever play, but he isn't the most talented. Iverson was the next memorable impact player after MJ, especially cs of his handles, quickness, ability to score at 6'1. Not to mention MJ got crossed up. And now today's guards are just as quickas Iverson except they're bigger and more explosive like Rose, Westbrook, Shannon Brown LOL
@sp00kyfrank lol Shannon Brown. This is desperate..Btw. Rose is a product of the no-hand check era. When he faced hand checking and old school rules on international level he sucked big time and was owned by european point guards..
@sp00kyfrank Rose, Westbrook, and Shannon Brown don't even touch AI's handles and crossing ability... They may be able to get from the rim, but AI had dunks lay ups and a shot lol.. Rose and Westbrook can't really shoot that great either. AI > today's point guards. At one point I believe that AI scored 30 ppg for a season, rose and westbrook only managed to get up to i think 25 ppg
@JJRKnights HAHA i used shannon brown as a joke because he jumps high. And i agree AI was a much better scorer. Rose and Westbrook are def more explosive, and their jumpshot is suspect i agree. Allen Iverson was my second favorite player after Kobe, i loved his crossover, i was just making a point that Rose and Westbrook are athletic freaks.
@sp00kyfrank Yea, I think Westbrook has more potential than rose.. Westbrook seems to me like a "in your face" player. He isn't afraid of contact dunks and taking shots but being along side Kevin Durant, Westbrook has more potential of winning a championship than the Bulls, I think that the thunder just need to tighten up, they need to get rid of some players though, like Kendrick Perkins, and bring a more skilled big man, not just a defensive nuisance.
@sp00kyfrank Bigger guys like Battier, Pierce or Lebron would stand zero chance against prime MJ, he would destroy them of the dribble, especially in the league with no-hand ckecking and rules created for perimeter scorers. Concerning Reggie Miller (MJ era player, who was past his prime and never a great defender) Kobe droped "huge numbers" on him in 2000 finals: 15 ppg on 35% FG. MJ owned guys like prime Pierce and Marion as a 40 year old. Young Artest said MJ(40) was the best he ever guarded
@sp00kyfrank Through the first 52 games of 2002 season of his Wizard days (Kobe era) MJ avaraged 24,6 Ppg, 6,2 Rpg, 5,4 Apg, 1,46 St pg before his banged up knee slowed him down and ended his season after 60 games. MJ scored 51, 45, 45, 44, 43, 41, 41, 40 and multiple 30+ point games as a 38-40 year old player on 1 knee with quarter of athleticism and speed he use to have. And that is all BEFORE the hand checking and rule changes in 2005..
Prime MJ (84-93) would simply destroy todays league..
@HymanKaplan Jordan was a great player, he was naturally a great scorer. I wouldn't have expected less. But when Jordan's Wizards played Kobe. Jordan couldn't stop Kobe. Kobe had 40 something within the first half and ended with 55 and sat out the 4th quarter. Yes, Jordan was older, and it might've been different if MJ was in his prime, but you can't discredit Kobe for that. Kobe went against Jordan in the 98 All Star game, and you have to admit Kobe(18 points) played well against MJ(23 points)
@sp00kyfrank I'm not the one who is disrespecting Kobe, yes he was great and one of my favourite. But you clearly never saw prime MJ, stating 2 games of 40 and 35 year old MJ is pretty lame..It's a shame you never saw MJ in 1989..Btw. How do you sit 4th quarter when you play 41 minutes? MJ didn't even guard him in that game and the game in Washington in the same season MJ (40years) had 25 points on 9-12 FG coming off the bench, Kobe (24 years) had 27 points on 8-21 FG..
that black guy jumps so fucking high
alipouya 6 days ago
I think that Kobe is great (best in the NBA), but Michael is simply the best, the GOAT!
RunawayForce 1 week ago
@wweguy456
Really dude? You gonna compare Scottie Pippen to Shaquille 'O'Neal (Possibly the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen)?
Enforcer0623 1 week ago
Kobe Bryant is great. I never watched jordan play. Im only 20. But i know kobe mutha fukn bryant is a beast. lets honestly say that if kobe bryant plays for 3-4 more seasons he will be utterly considered to be just a bit better or dead even with jordan. There will never be another kobe bryant, never, never, never, never, never, never, or jordan, never, never, never but even if you like jordan more than kobe or kobe more than jordan. Admire great players while they're playing.
fredthomaas17 1 week ago 6
@fredthomaas17 no one will be better than a basketball prodigy.... no one.
GameFreak1822554 1 day ago
You can't argue against MJ for #1.
redskinskickass92 1 week ago
wow everyone here just came to put down kobe, and people act like kobe sucks, lol hell still woop anyone elses ass here
LakersFTW1 1 week ago
Michael Jordan fly! and kobe cant!
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tiger1649 1 week ago
I think it's hard to do an apples to apples comparison of people who never really played each other.
Dartboy95 2 weeks ago
Continued: Kobe's now in his 15th season yet his numbers are still inferior to Michael's numbers after only 13 seasons (12 really since he was injured for the majority of the 85-86 season)... So yeah, there you go... But this not to say that Kobe isn't great, cause he is... Just not as great or as accomplished as Michael...
Enforcer0623 2 weeks ago
Both are great, Michael the best of his time (and arguably of all time) and Kobe the best of the present time... Michael gets the edge though and here's just a couple of reasons why: Michael played with the Bulls for only thirteen years, racked up six titles (without the help of an equal superstar), averaged over 30 plus points per game (37.1 ppg in 86-87 season), and racked up 29,277 career points with the team... And he was injured and did not play for the majority of the 1985-1986 season...
Enforcer0623 2 weeks ago
@Enforcer0623 Well he had scottie, who was top 5 at worst
wweguy456 1 week ago
This isn't even a competition. Jordan is better than Kobe, all day erryday.
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whos better? 5 season mvp's 6 final mvp's, 13th consecutive scoring titles, 3rd all time leader in steals= jordan 1 season mvp, 2 finals mvp= kobe..... and jordan has a higher shooting percentage over all, better performance in the play offs especially the finals where it matters most! u must be an idiot to think kobe is better than jordan.... JORDAn=BASKETBALL! G.O.A.T.
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1968joseleon 1 month ago
Not completely true partly yes but mostly it's because he had degenerative injury in his knees much like what recently made Brandon Roy retire
TR1GG3rH4ppy310 1 month ago
1) Jordan shot 50% for his career. Bryant has never shot better than 47% in any season
2) Jordan won against Magic, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Miller, Ewing, Drexler... Bryant against Iverson, Pierce, Webber, Kidd, Howard... The East Conference in early 2000s was very weak
3) Bryant scored 81 points in regular season against Toronto. Jordan scored 63 in playoffs against the 1986 Celtics
4) Jordan averaged 30.1 points per game in regular season and 33.4 in playoffs. Bryant 25.3 and 25.4 points
xaviqaz 1 month ago
@xaviqaz the nba has changed there is a much greater level of difficulty than it was back than you would should know that
MegaJf16 1 month ago
@MegaJf16 Yes, the game has changed. Top scorers need 30 shoots per game to make 25 points. I would not call it difficulty but selfishness. Just watch and compare an All-Star game in early 1990s and now.
xaviqaz 1 month ago
@xaviqaz "Top scores need 30 shots per game to make 25 points"
God you're ignorant.
MJ took more shots than the vast majority of guards (all time) to score the number of points he put up. You saw the stats I gave you on points per shot from the field right? Also, modern basketball is supposedly soft with ticky-tack fouls, yet MJ, again is among the top (all time) for most FT attempts at guard. MJ shot a hell of a lot of free throws, if you're wondering, yes, much more than KB even now.
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@thiennguyenX2 Kobe Bryant: 8398 free-throw attempts in 1104 games (7.6 per game). Michael Jordan: 8772 free-throw attempts in 1072 games (8.2 per game). Considering that Jordan played 38 minutes per game vs 36 minutes per game for Kobe. Certainly you cannot say "much more" free throws than KB.
I don´t care if Jordan took more shots: he made 50% of them in his career. Kobe Bryant NEVER made more than 47% in one single regular season.
xaviqaz 1 month ago
@xaviqaz So as long as you shoot 50%, you're god.
40 shots to score 40 points = 50%, nice logic. Players should all aim for 50%, seeing as that's what an efficient player is to ignorant fans like you. Field Goal % don't mean shit. Such a pathetic stat why are you so attached to it? eFG? TS?
MJ played in a 'tougher' league and still got more FT attempts, that says what about how much star treatment he got? How the hell do you get more FT attempts in the 80-90s than modern players? lol
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@thiennguyenX2 Jordan got one FT attempt for each 4.6 minutes in court. Bryant for each 4.7 minutes in court. Where is the huge difference?? Where´s the star treatment?? Those are real figures. Making 50% means that he had better shot selection, even when he was 35.
xaviqaz 1 month ago
@xaviqaz 50% means he takes less threes, ffs.
KB takes 2.5x more threes. TWO and a HALF TIMES MORE.
POINT PER SHOT is the most effective way of seeing how many points a scorer can put up, whenever he takes a shot...
"Suppose Player A goes 4 for 10 with 2 threes, while Player B goes 5 for 10 with 0 threes. Each player would have 10 points from field goals, and thus would have the same effective field goal percentage (50%)"
Stay the away from math, You just are not getting this.
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@thiennguyenX2 Even if you were right, MJ did better in points per shot. And MJ also made more assists, rebounds and steals per game. Far better player. Period
xaviqaz 1 month ago
@xaviqaz "far better player" right, only in your universe man.
And 1.02 vs. .98 is not far better... For every 100 shots(!), MJ would score 4 more points from the field. Less points than LBJ even, FAR better really? Assists? Good lord, barely. Rebounds? Barely. Steals, I guess...?
MJ is the superior player but don't use "far" better or "way" better if you want to be objective. In the 3 times they met, KB at just 18-19, hung with MJ despite playing less minutes. So no, you can't use "period".
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@thiennguyenX2 MJ better defender, passer, rebounder, scorer, teamplayer... I´m sorry.
xaviqaz 1 month ago
@xaviqaz
KB has made the all-defense team more times than MJ. Not a strong argument here.
Passer. MJ = 5.3 assists career, KB 4.7. Half an assist more per game over the career, I wonder if 03-07 playing with Smush Parker/Kwame Brown hurt his assist numbers at all? Not to mention 3 years off the bench as an 17 year old rookie?
Rebounder, yep. MJ got one rebound on him. Prob is better, also, no Shaq/Gasol/Bynum to do all the rebounding for MJ.
Scorer, err. 1.02 to .98?
MJ a team player lol
thiennguyenX2 4 weeks ago
@xaviqaz So which one of those stats have you brought up that shows that MJ is FAR/WAY!!!! superior? The one rebound (no big to take rebounds in MJ's entire career relative to KB's 4 bigs), the half an assist, the .04 points per shot, the defense fallacy?
So MJ's stats show a slightly better (caveat) rebounder. A better defender yes, he is, by much? really? MJ did not deserve his DPOTY over Cooper that year. After 91' many people would consider him overrated on defense even. Iverson owned MJ.
thiennguyenX2 4 weeks ago
@thiennguyenX2 Cool if they were both in their prime mj would smoke kobes ass.
V17GT 4 weeks ago
@xaviqaz good lord, I didn't say huge dif
Jordan played in the 80s-90s where 90% of you delusional fanboys constantly argue as being the "tougher/less calls/no ticky tack calls" and here you got MJ getting more calls than a modern era player. The fact that MJ is even close in FTA means one, MJ's era is no more difficult for scorers or two, MJ's era was more difficult but it didn't matter cuz he got calls all day anyway.
He shot nearly 1,000 FT in 86, that's pretty nice for your PPG averages.
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@thiennguyenX2 If not michael, it's kareem, if not kareem, it's irving, if it's not irving, its bird, the list goes on. Kobe is an amazing player, but he shouldn't be in the arguement of best ALL TIME
V17GT 4 weeks ago
@V17GT says you.
Bird/Magic/West/Phil
All think KB is among the all time greats. And certainly the best player of his era.
answers.yahoo[.]com/question/index?qid=20080430204319AAa0Cfn
Look at the number of players/coaches who think he's the best player of the era. Sounds like all time greatness to me. But you'll stick to your opinion I'm sure.
But there is no best all time. There are 5 positions and tons of ways to approach the game.
thiennguyenX2 4 weeks ago
@xaviqaz I gave you a stat that for every supposed magical, godlike, well-chosen shot that MJ takes from the field, he scores no more points than does KB, Wade, and even less than LBJ PER SHOT.
That means they ALL choose their shots from the field equally well and they all score the same amount of points in the same amount of attempts. Is this rocket science? Why am I repeating o.o?
Herp Derp FG %. Be a box score statistician more.
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@xaviqaz
1) KB scored 61 in 3 quarters against the Mavs, could have gone past 80+ 2x, only man to ever outscore an entire team on his own, Mavs got destroyed with Dirk playing.
2) I love how you don't even mention freaking CP3, Wade, LBJ, Rose, DUNCAN (u leave out duncan???), Dirk, NASH, Parker, Yao, Tmac, Carter, even if the east was weak (as it was in MJ's day - they went 72-10 be real), you'd still have to get past the West to win. And Jordan won against old Magic, small caveat eh?
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
@xaviqaz FG% doesn't mean shit. A guard that takes more 3s than one that doesn't (cough MJ*) will have their FG % go to shit (Allen). Compare eFG%, KB 48.8% MJ 51.1%. Huge dif, not.
When you compare the point per shot, MJ's is 1.02 to KB's .98, as in there is barely a difference. Take that further to other top tier scorers like Wade (.99) and LBJ (1.025).
KB's and MJ's career numbers are highly skewed... MJ's first playoff series had him at 43ppg!!!! But it only lasted 3 games. Way to skew.
thiennguyenX2 1 month ago
Lmao, you guys are hilarious! Mike better than Kobe by far?!?! Hell no! Not by far, I'm
not goin' to say who's better, cause this is an arguement that's goin to last a lifetime,
If Mike is better ok cool, but Jordan is not WAY better than Kobe, as far as Michael paving a way for Kobe and others, well, someone needs somebody to look up to right?
This is an arguement with no ending, just sayin
lilbland 1 month ago
@lilbland jordan only played 15 seasons because he was bored of the game. And kobes about to start his 16th
MrJabrock 1 month ago
Ha, Jordan was pulling off moves Kobe nor anyone would even dream of doing.
stallionplaya52 1 month ago
kobe aint even good! mj all day!
NBA2kKid 1 month ago
@finalfatasyfreak49 I agree MJ is better than Kobe, but as far as the 2 best SGs Michael Jordan and Jerry West are 1a and 1b and KB is a DISTANT 3rd. West scored better, shot better, defended better, and passed better than KB. The closest guy to MJ at the SG pos. is Jerry West and is right below him. I mean he avg. 27 w/o a 3pt line and was just as intense and had as high of a bball IQ. There is a reason he is the NBA LOGO.
BNS224 1 month ago
jordan the best an he wold beat kobe aney day like mj said himslef he is the most competitive guy in the nba thet have ever been mening if he would be plaing rite now he would have done more than what he did before why cuz rite now there is more competition than when he was playing around
bosterNm 1 month ago
nobody dominated the game like mj kobe is very good my opinion is there was better players back in the day the fundamentals of the game is taken lightly now most players dont want to practice to get better anymore nowadays all you gotta do is make a couple of good highlights and your a star now not putting kobe down but mj is great even until he retired
alfred5506 1 month ago
Kobe can hit a contested shot better than Jordan. Jordan was better at just about everything else, but Kobe's right there with him. Kobe's contested jump shot is the best EVER though! MJ had better shot selection so most of his shots were open thanks to his dribbling, but Jordan's contested/fadeaway jumpers were flat and short. Kobe can hit a shot with a hand in his face, give him props.
oO0randomzach0Oo 1 month ago
I cant believe this is a discussion. WITHOUT A DOUBT put MJ in his prime against Kobe in his prime and MJ would wipe the floor with Kobe. I cant believe yall are even discussing this o_0
YoChickSuckedMe 2 months ago
@YoChickSuckedMe dude im right up there with you i do not know how or why people even compare them. to me jordan made kobe jordan paved the walk way for kobe Jordan is the best there ever was an the best there ever will be no matter what. I remember watching these to battle it out when kobe first came in the league still till this day i believe jordan would out do kobe on any given day.when will people realize jordan is better then kobe.
DiamondAudio4Life 1 month ago
Jordan created the image of the nba? Ok, But Kobe Is The Image Of The Nba Kobe bryant black mamba , Air Jordan , Now look very closly at those names < Jordan is good but kobe is better, Jordan only took about 1 to 2 3s in a game while kobe is a monster at everything come on!!!!!
JordanFlyinJets 2 months ago
Kobe vs Jordan, I come here to say Phil Jackson have more championship ring than kobe&jordan mix togeter. Really, he have like 13 rings already
atikoon1 2 months ago
sucke
HBKMoneyMakin 2 months ago
watch?v=UZMsD9QyJuU LOOK at this you stupid mj dickriders THIS EXPLAINS why jordan is so overrated ha ha
kristiann1able 2 months ago
There are things Joordan would not be able to do in this league compared to the 90s people use his stats as a crutch. If all u can do is point out numbers it makes u look pathetic. Stop being Kobe stans and Jordan homers people its pathetic now
sk8cam91915 2 months ago
Jordan all the wayy!
KlubKewlKidz 2 months ago
mj is a fucking beat!!!
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klook 2 months ago
jerken
TheESH24 2 months ago
MJ is BETTER then Kobe but Kobe is the closet player to MJ but at the same time there is nothing MJ did that Kobe can't do and their is nothing Kobe can do that MJ hasn't already done!
mrreeseatl 2 months ago
@mrreeseatl There is plenty that MJ did that Kobe can't do... 10 scoring titles, double three-peats with all 6 NBA Finals MVPs, record at least 200 steals in a season (Jordan did it 6 times), record at least 100 blocks (did it 2 times), defensive player of the year, score 3000 points in a season (only him and Wilt Chamberlain have done this), 3 steal titles, sweep the MVP awards (reg. season, NBA Finals, All-Star game), lead his team to best regular season record in history... need I go on?
gtg309v 2 months ago
@gtg309v Yeah all of that is true i know MJ blows Kobe away in stats.
mrreeseatl 2 months ago
@gtg309v 10 scoring titles, 30 points per game, with a FG% of 50% in his career. Bryant has never had a season higher than 47% .
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tiger1649 2 months ago
0:13 outstading!!!
hectorbon37 2 months ago
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hectorbon37 2 months ago
this skill thing is bullshit. Just because a player is skilled doesn't mean their better. It's how you affect the game and the scoreboard not how good your fadeaway is etc. I would rather have a player that scorers 30 ppg in 20 shots then a player that scores 27 ppg in 20 shots even if the player who averages more points is less skilled because because points are points
Monta8mixes 2 months ago
MJ IS THE BEST NO DOUBT IN MY MIND BUT KOBE IS GREAT ASWEL
ken198100 2 months ago
im just gonna say one thing. dont say kobe is better than mj if u werent even alive to see mj play cuz those are most of the peole that say kobe is better which is totally un true. mj was much better on defense as well as offense
Bullsfan23451 2 months ago
Look,comparing them will solve nothing,MJ vs Kobe will forever be a fantasy like Mike Tyson vs Muhammad Ali.Yeah you can compare stats,style of play,championship rings,but you will never have a definite answer unless you had them both play at the peak of their careers.Yeah they played each other a few times but Kobe had very little experience and although Mike had lots of experience,he was still getting old.You'll never have a definite answer,just voice of opinion.
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tiger1649 3 months ago
kobe is a great player just not MJ great.
rob23molina 3 months ago
Shot Selection. Jordan shot over 50 percent
And when ppl bring up taller defenders. Tall defenders are slower. MJ would just blow right by them with his first step and without the ball, they wouldnt be able to keep up. For example...Josh Smith is tall, athletic, but slow laterally.
This is why the Pistons put Linsey Hunter on D-Wade in 2006 because Prince was to slow laterally.
1988-1993 MJ would blow right by 6-8, 6-9 defenders. Guys 6-3, 6-4 are quicker laterally
bscottdp 3 months ago 7
Jordan knew how to position himself better on defense, fight, and stay over the screen
4. Mid Range Jumper - Jordans was more consistent and with less dribbles. One bounce dribble pull up from 18 feet. Kobe is streaky
5. Playing off the ball. Its not even close. Kobe likes to dribble dribble dribble. This is why double teams bother him more. Jordan would simply pass, shake, cut, get it back and finish. Thats called fundamentals you learn in College under Dean Snith at North Carolina ..
bscottdp 3 months ago
MJ clearly had these advantages over Kobe
1. Athletic ability. MJ had a 48 inch vertical. Kobe's was 37. Check the lift on Jordans jumper 1988 to 1993 his prime.
2. Quickness. Mj's first step was much quicker. Got to the basket more and finished better in the paint.
3. Defense. Youtube Jordan defense at 34 years old. Watch how he stays in front of Rod Strickland and knows how to defend over the screen. Kobe goes under the screen all the time and doesn't fight.
bscottdp 3 months ago
KOBE is the GOAT for real MJ sucks!!!
hordanpaypen 3 months ago
@hordanpaypen Your obviously an idiot.
rob23molina 3 months ago
@hordanpaypen wtf kobe has no comp to jordan think mj malone malone kareem thomas drexler mugsy barkely shaq oljuawon magic dr j wilkins stockton ewing miller and more yet he still had a 37.1 ppg in his 2nd full season coming off a broken foot
MrOmfgwtflmao 2 months ago
@MrOmfgwtflmao WTF! you mention/include mugsy!!?? mugsy mugsy hahaha
hordanpaypen 2 months ago
The video is biased as fuck by the way
sk8cam91915 3 months ago
Their is no best you damn stans! Both some of the greatest to ever play tho
sk8cam91915 3 months ago
You can't compare them.They are in a different era,basketball has changed and you just dont know the effect that one of them would have at the era of the other.Besides,Kobe has deeply influenced by MJs game and has evolved some of his moves so there is a little of MJ in KB.Although i must say that foundamentally and athletically MJ was better.Dont give me wrong, Kobe is a great great player but MJ had the whole package(mind and body) at the highest level..
Doylakos56 3 months ago
KOBE BRYANT TIED THE GAAAAAAAME UH. HE TIED THE GAAAAAAAME UH.
Mugen123456789 3 months ago
it just hit me, Michael and Kobe sound alike... or could just be me. Regardless Great players the two of them.
ShinRyizen 3 months ago
I love Kobe But MJ is the best
JuLiiioP 3 months ago
whoever says kobe is better obviously doesnt watch or have any knowledge about basketball
TheLegend2294 3 months ago
kobe is better
LiLxDuB15 3 months ago
@LiLxDuB15 explain?
Monta8mixes 3 months ago
KOBE > MJ
charliebell01 4 months ago
@charliebell01 explain?
Monta8mixes 3 months ago
kobe cant fly. nugh said
Abbyss1312 4 months ago
@justinebanks25 magic Johnson was kobe's favorite player
Sk8Nigga1996 4 months ago
wheres the rest of the video?
eatcheesekobe 4 months ago
Dont hate on Kobe, even he sad that MJ is better,
aDezenT 4 months ago
Kobe's favorite player was Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant saw Michael Jordan in the streets, and he greeted him, but Michael didn't hear him. From that day on, a fire ignited in Kobe that he will do anything so that Michael would once know him.
justinebanks25 4 months ago
@justinebanks25 kobes favorite player was actually magic johnson. but whatever.
MoneyMCKing007 3 months ago
Kobe guarde better players in the finals RIP Halmiton , Billups, Prince, and hit the Game Tying 3pointer. Allen Iverson shut down for 2and3rd qts. Kobe 19-5 blocks oh. Rashard Lewis no easy cover shut down. Ray Allen.Mj, let's see Ehlo,Hersey Hawkins,Honacek,Byron Scott at his end. Pippen guaded the better player always so MJ could rest.Buff said.
pmpthroback 4 months ago
@pmpthroback: I see you conveniently left out the best player either of them had to guard in the Finals: Clyde Drexler. MJ's performance against Drexler in 1992 is one of the reasons I consider him better than Kobe. But I agree that, in the Finals at least, Kobe went up against some tough competition at that position.
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tiger1649 4 months ago
@amoney101295 o im just saying the most obvious thing
trezeguet4ever 5 months ago
Michael Jordan is the best player of all time and always will be. Michael is like the Babe Ruth of baseball. The Jerry Rice of football. The Best.
SJMalosi43 5 months ago
People say the bulls came close without Jordan he made them better players.After Jordan retired the players he made better were no were near as good as when they played with MJ.Phil said Jordans advatage against Kobe Bryant was the size of his hands.But he is not going to make Bryant look to much less than MJ and if Jordan played under todays rules they say the would have averaged 50 points per game don't see Kobe averaging even 35.Both are great but MJ will always be the best ever.
jennifer32399 5 months ago
Michael Jordan is the best ever talk about players that won moe titles but played longer and wilt though great was much taller than MJ.And comarable players played when baskatball was not as talented got better as time past.Kobe is a great player so is Labron James but they can't toach mike.Great like Majic Bird and Barkly said he was be the best ever.Bird said he was like a god on the court.LIke another comment said Jordan was way ahead of his time Briant was very good in his time.J number 1.
jennifer32399 5 months ago
I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING EVEN FUNNIER! JORDAN FROM THREE: 29%,23%, 18%, 27%, 19%, 27%, 13%,17%, 16% AND 12% AND 19% FROM THREE IN TWO PLAYOFF'S! AND I HAVE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ON THE FUNNIEST VIDEO'S, THE THREE POINT CONTEST OF JORDAN! NOW THAT WAS SOME FUNNY SHIT! PERIOD!
tiger1649 5 months ago
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Jordan and Kobe both are the best SG every hands down O yea they both are black so u cant go wrong with that two niggas the best players ever HAHAHA YA Digg P:
187187p1 5 months ago
the funniest thing I have ever heard someone say is "kobe has a better J and range than mike"...lmao...I guess, but kobe's shot selection is wayyyyy off from mike...has kobe ever average 50% from the field throughout a season? I dont think so
midwestking100 5 months ago
jordan was ahead of his time. kobe is more skilled
staininirvana 5 months ago
@staininirvana
Kobe's coach stated that Jordan would score 50 points per game if he played in today's NBA.
I hardly call that "more skilled."
itsokayright 5 months ago 25
@itsokayright yeah and his coach also said that kobe was more skilled than michael too. so i would call that more skilled.
staininirvana 5 months ago
@coolaidman13 I'm only joking dude...I know MJ is better than Kobe. And Rose the best ever??!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?! What the fuck are you smoking?!?!?!?!? Rose is good, but not great. There have been many players who have had as good of seasons as Rose. He isn't all that great. Quit riding Rose's dick you fucking white wannabe. Rose will never be the best ever. LeBron and Kobe will go down as way better than Rose. Now go act your own color.
MrFyrfly 5 months ago
go watch my kobe vs Mj video
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lixmxil93 5 months ago
Kobe is the best player ever. Way better than MJ. And if you disagree then you're stupid.
MrFyrfly 5 months ago
Only thing mike did from all others was leave the league only to come back and win 3 more rings, but mike had a supporting cast. Even when he was gone, scottie and the bulls almost made it too the finals. Shit, yall forget basketball is a team game, star players amiss. These guys wouldn't have what they have without the people around them. Now you wanna say who's the greatest position for position then you give these newcomers no chance.
When you have a pg like Magic a sg like Mike and so on.
DaWoOdPrInCe 5 months ago
I love how people say that mike is the greatest, when it isnt true. League mvp's and all amiss. He has 6 titles. kobe has 5 magic had 5 Kareem had what 5? bill russell 11 . Oscar robertson averaged a triple double in a season aswell as wilt averaging 50/20 over a season. plus 100 in a game. There is no greatest. The greatest achieves everything great triumphing overall. and doing it all. Too many other people did what mike didnt or couldnt. He was one of the great, but there is no greatest.
DaWoOdPrInCe 5 months ago
Michael Jordan-whey ahead in his time. Kobe Bryant- just very good in his time!
rosa2222222222 5 months ago
MJ in his prime in street clothes with one hand tied behind his back could beat Kobe.
celticsfanization 5 months ago
BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN WHAT? D:
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MrTheRadar 5 months ago
I'm glad that MJ's bio is 3 paragraphs as compared to Kobe's 1.... I like that.
stjimmy55 5 months ago
stop comparing MJ to kobe.
i am a kobe/lakers fan but i am smart enough to say that MJ is far better than kobe.
look at MJ rookie season and kobe MVP season, they both have the same numbers.
like kobe sayed "let MJ be MJ and let me be me"
lixmxil93 6 months ago 16
@lixmxil93 I'm a Kobe fan too, I agree 100 percent
BrickGrease 3 months ago
@lixmxil93 yea michael is better
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ToillElliot 2 months ago
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tiger1649 6 months ago
its not about rings,yeah if its about rings brian cardinal is much better than barkley,malone,ewing, and lebron? lol
it's not about scoring either... if kobe scored 81pts < wilt scored 100pts
ForME4mi 6 months ago
Michael played against smaller defenders such as the best lockdown defender of his era Joe Dumar who was 6"3 shooting guard. What happens when Kobe has a small fry trying to guard him? You know the answer. Kobe went up against young Artest, ray allen, t-mac, lechoke, shane battier, dwade, paul pierce, reggie miller, shawn marion, etc. Majority of the players i named were taller than Kobe, yet Kobe still drops huge numbers, it' amazing.
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Except that the players have gotten smaller since MJ retired. Due to the shift towards perimeters (MJ's influence), gone are the big centers and football PFs. 2007 and 2008 were the 2 shortest years since the 70s. Players have also lost about 2-4lbs since MJ retired. With the tough rules back then as well, layups were truly difficult which is why they changed the rules. You have it backwards.
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Unlike Kobe who is slow and can't beat smaller defenders off the dribble (he is permanently shut down by the best perimeter defender in the league today 6'4 T.Allen), MJ had to be guarded by smaller players. MJ was far superior athlete and much quicker than Kobe and in younger days he was more explosive than D-Rose. With bigger defender on him,he would simply blow by him and destroy him. Puting smaller guy on him was neccesity and the lesser evil.MJ still put 61 point on Dumars.
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan Kobe is much slower now, i admit, i mean he's had an arthritic right knee for the past few seasons. However, people seem to forget how athletic Kobe use to be during his younger days. Saying Kobe can't beat smaller defenders is ignorant, Kobe use to lead the league in most free throw attempts. Also, the "slower" Kobe in 2010 NBA finals dropped 30 in game 1 where he was guarded by Tony Allen and Ray Allen.
Rose is more explosive. 6"4, head almost hits rim when he dunks.
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank i know Kobe was quick i saw him his whole career! I was just responding to the ignorant post before..I think Kobe's prime was 01-03, when he was much better athlete and defender, in 06 he just took more shots on horrible team, and it was after the rule change (no-hand ckeck etc). But MJ at the same age was much quicker. MJ in his rookie year was more explosive then Rose, he had 48' vertical (Rose 40') and he could dunk from the FT line. His first step was the most unguardable ever
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Ray Allen is an avarage defender and he was like 35 y...When MJ was 35y old and out of prime he destroyed young and athletic Ray Allen in the 90's.. Tony Allen is a different story. Kobe was scoreless on T. Allen in 2010 Finals.
Btw. Rose is 6'1 1/2 w/o shoes..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan You have to admit though, MJ had one of the healthiest basketball careers. Even at age 38 he was in very good shape.
Kobe was scoreless that is true, but it wasn't only because of tony allen, Celtics was an exceptional defensive team. If you see the 2010 finals, after Kobe dropped 30 in Game 1, Celtics threw triple/double teams, moving screens(fucking KG and Perkins -_-) at Kobe. It became a great defensive series, one of the best defenses ive seen.
Rose is the future.
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank You do realize that moving screens help OFFENSIVE players do you? They STOPED calling them after the rule change in 06, together with 3 def rule and no hend checking the rules are designed for perimeter scorers. Young MJ would destroy this defense. The physical defense of the Celtics is a walk in the park compared to the 80's Bad boys or Riley's Knicks, those entire teams would foul out in the 1st quarter today. What was normal PO foul, today is ejection and 20 game suspension!
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan The Bad Boys, yes, had great defense, but Celtic's Defense wasn't too far from it. If you watch today's game you can see hand checking still occurs. And let's put today's freak athletes, Dwade, Lebron, Dwight, Rose, Kevin Durant, Blak Griffin, etc etc with the same era as Jordan with the same rules. Do you believe Jordan would have the same stats? Are you saying these athletic beasts won't be able to handle the physical nature of the players in MJ's era?
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank I give you another athletic beasts Love, Dirk, Randolph 3 TOP PF's and they could barely dunk. MJ and Drexler could dunk from the FT line. Kemp was may be even better athlete than Griffin. Dominique, young Penny etc..the list goes on.. You have to understand athleticism has nothing to do with defense. Top defenders of past decade were Bowen, Kidd, Bell and Battier. Not exactly high flyers. MJ wouldn't have same stats in todays league, his stats would be much better...
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan No one has seen a player like Dirk before, the players these days are becoming more and more complete all around players. Griffin has a set of skills Kemp never had. Griffin has great handles and quickness at his position at pf. Would Dwight be DPOY if it wasn't for his athleticism? Defense is more than athleticism i know, but it helps. Guards are bigger now, MJ played in an era of 1on1 against shorter defenders. Any ball player knows height is an advantage in basketball.
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Again you have it backwards. Players were taller in MJ's era, the avarage hight today is smaller. Especially the centers today are much smaller and weaker. Defense has nothing to do with athleticism. Best perimeter defender today Tony Allen is 6'4. Again MJ couldn't be guarded by players his height, but since you never saw prime MJ it is hard to explain to you, when you decided to ignore that.. Todays era is actually more 1on1, with less ball movement and much worse fundamentals.
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan U're only saying it's 1on1 cs you been watching too much of the Heat. Look at the Mavs great team ball, and very poised team. Dirk? unstoppable. Lakers vs Celtics? GREAT SERIES great teams great D. I've seen MJ play, i was a pretty big fan actually, but then i saw Kobe cross up players and dunked on Ben Wallace from almost at the free throw line. And the league just got better, Yao ming(7"6, with great mobility), T-mac(13pointsin39sec), AI. Now Lebron, Durant(6"10 with a fadeway).
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Look you are obviously young and never saw prime MJ. So go on continue think that the NBA started 5 years ago. The sad thing in couple of years some ignorant kidd like you will be saying that Marshon Brooks is better than Kobe, cause in Kobe's era he faced unathletic defenders like Bowen, Artest, Bell and Battier. Good luck trying to explain anything to them..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan i've prob seen more of MJ than you. And the analogy you just presented in your poor argument, shows your ignorance im sorry.
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank nonetheless, this is going to happen, cause sport fans have very short memory..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Trying to compare Yao to the level of 90's centers is pathetic. Robinson, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing etc. would decimate todays centers. Kobe didn't dunk on Ben from FT line, never even came close. His vertical is 37', MJ's 48'..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan it was more than halfway from the baseline to the freethrow line. i never said Kobe jumps higher than MJ. Yao was still a great center, one of the few, almost only 7 foot centers that can shoot. Regardless, if you don't like Yao, how bout the other players i named. Did MJ face players like the other ones i listed, other than Scottie Pippen, whom MJ probably only faced during practice.
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Are you serious? The 80's and early 90's were stacked with hall of fame talents: Magic, Bird, McHale, Parish, Wilkins, Moses and Karl Malone, Stockton, Hakeem, Kareem, Barkley, Ewing, Pippen, Worthy, Mullin, Dantley, B.King, English, KJ, DJ, Tim Hardaway, Drexler, Payton, Richmond, Miller, Isiah, Dumars, Rodman, Moncrief, Hill, Kemp, Robinson, Shaq, Alonzo, Penny, Kidd
Those were all time great talents and players..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Btw. Concerning MJ facing Pippen in practice, this is all you need to know. Pippen was one of the best perimeter defenders ever, tough, physical, athletic with huge wingspan, 6'7 legit freethrow line dunker and according to their former teammates in 1990 Pippen challenged him 1on1 and MJ absolutely demolished him and rained points on him to the point Pippen had to step back and give up..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan And you got nothing to say about T-mac, AI, Lebron, Durant? You just respond to this "ignotant kid's" arguments about Centers, when this argument is clearly about Guards? Who's the ignorant one now?
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank What about them? They are all time great talents, I've never claimed anything else. I don't know in what way are you argueing guards. LeBron and Durant are forwards and Yao is a center.
I give you argument about guards. Name me 5 defenders from today who can guard prime MJ (let's say 1988 version - since you've said you saw more MJ) with todays defensive rules and they have to be better than what MJ faced in his time..And no, LeBron can not guard him..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan MJ was the only premier guard of his time. You can't deny the fact that MJ would have more competition in his era, if T-mac, Lebron, Dwade, Rose, AI, list goes on, played in MJ's era. Who in MJ's era is gonna be better than these guys?
Not one defender is gonna stop MJ. can one defender stop Lebron, Dwade, Kobe? No. But the bigger and just as quick or quicker guards today will for sure bother Jordan. Young Artest or prime Kobe on Jordan? or Joe Dumars on Jordan in this era?
sp00kyfrank 5 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Most of these guys are defensive liabilities, Rose, AI, T-Mac would be demolished defensively. On the other hand MJ as he said himself would foul out very soon today if he played the kind of defense he played in his era, cause of the new rules.The league shifted towards perimter players (MJ's influence) and completely changed the rules to favour perimeter players. All these guys do is drive to the basket which is much easier today, they can't play w/o ball and have no midrange game
HymanKaplan 5 months ago
@sp00kyfrank I take Dumars over Artest and Kobe no doubt. 40 year old MJ owned young Artest. with old school rules. Prime MJ would toy with him, he would be too slow for him. There's a rumour that MJ dominated Artest so bad in pre season pick up game as a 40 year old, that Artest got frustrated and slammed MJ to the ground and broke his hips. Young Kobe (2000 version - the last time he played all time great defense) would be nice challenge though.
Kobe vs Dumars 4G, 8 ppg, 2.3 rpg 1.5apg 37.5%FG
HymanKaplan 5 months ago
@sp00kyfrank You Kobe fans try to pretend that MJ played like 100 years ago. You do realize Kobe played in the 90's? And even though he was young he couldn't dominate like in 00's. Ton of players faced both MJ and Kobe. MJ droped 51 and other 7 40+ point games as a washed up 40 year old in 02-03. Jason Kidd is a starting PG for a champ as a 38 y old! He was drafted in 94!!! That's a nice example that the league is actually in worse state than in their golden era in late 80's and early 90's..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan Not really. MJ was the ONLY kind in his league with his ability to take over games. He was the beginning that's why he will always be the greatest winner to ever play, but he isn't the most talented. Iverson was the next memorable impact player after MJ, especially cs of his handles, quickness, ability to score at 6'1. Not to mention MJ got crossed up. And now today's guards are just as quickas Iverson except they're bigger and more explosive like Rose, Westbrook, Shannon Brown LOL
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank lol Shannon Brown. This is desperate..Btw. Rose is a product of the no-hand check era. When he faced hand checking and old school rules on international level he sucked big time and was owned by european point guards..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Rose, Westbrook, and Shannon Brown don't even touch AI's handles and crossing ability... They may be able to get from the rim, but AI had dunks lay ups and a shot lol.. Rose and Westbrook can't really shoot that great either. AI > today's point guards. At one point I believe that AI scored 30 ppg for a season, rose and westbrook only managed to get up to i think 25 ppg
JJRKnights 5 months ago
@JJRKnights HAHA i used shannon brown as a joke because he jumps high. And i agree AI was a much better scorer. Rose and Westbrook are def more explosive, and their jumpshot is suspect i agree. Allen Iverson was my second favorite player after Kobe, i loved his crossover, i was just making a point that Rose and Westbrook are athletic freaks.
sp00kyfrank 5 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Yea, I think Westbrook has more potential than rose.. Westbrook seems to me like a "in your face" player. He isn't afraid of contact dunks and taking shots but being along side Kevin Durant, Westbrook has more potential of winning a championship than the Bulls, I think that the thunder just need to tighten up, they need to get rid of some players though, like Kendrick Perkins, and bring a more skilled big man, not just a defensive nuisance.
JJRKnights 5 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Bigger guys like Battier, Pierce or Lebron would stand zero chance against prime MJ, he would destroy them of the dribble, especially in the league with no-hand ckecking and rules created for perimeter scorers. Concerning Reggie Miller (MJ era player, who was past his prime and never a great defender) Kobe droped "huge numbers" on him in 2000 finals: 15 ppg on 35% FG. MJ owned guys like prime Pierce and Marion as a 40 year old. Young Artest said MJ(40) was the best he ever guarded
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank Through the first 52 games of 2002 season of his Wizard days (Kobe era) MJ avaraged 24,6 Ppg, 6,2 Rpg, 5,4 Apg, 1,46 St pg before his banged up knee slowed him down and ended his season after 60 games. MJ scored 51, 45, 45, 44, 43, 41, 41, 40 and multiple 30+ point games as a 38-40 year old player on 1 knee with quarter of athleticism and speed he use to have. And that is all BEFORE the hand checking and rule changes in 2005..
Prime MJ (84-93) would simply destroy todays league..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
@HymanKaplan Jordan was a great player, he was naturally a great scorer. I wouldn't have expected less. But when Jordan's Wizards played Kobe. Jordan couldn't stop Kobe. Kobe had 40 something within the first half and ended with 55 and sat out the 4th quarter. Yes, Jordan was older, and it might've been different if MJ was in his prime, but you can't discredit Kobe for that. Kobe went against Jordan in the 98 All Star game, and you have to admit Kobe(18 points) played well against MJ(23 points)
sp00kyfrank 6 months ago
@sp00kyfrank I'm not the one who is disrespecting Kobe, yes he was great and one of my favourite. But you clearly never saw prime MJ, stating 2 games of 40 and 35 year old MJ is pretty lame..It's a shame you never saw MJ in 1989..Btw. How do you sit 4th quarter when you play 41 minutes? MJ didn't even guard him in that game and the game in Washington in the same season MJ (40years) had 25 points on 9-12 FG coming off the bench, Kobe (24 years) had 27 points on 8-21 FG..
HymanKaplan 6 months ago
Its not all about rings you know. If it was then obviously Bill Russell is the best player ever.
hxcpwnage999 6 months ago
Michael Jordan=Original
Kobe Bryant=Remix
Lebron James=Autone
8cali94 6 months ago 43
@8cali94 lmao at lebron
buckda54 6 months ago
@8cali94 Correction, Michael Jordan = Basketball god
momo11644 5 months ago
@8cali94 lebron = rebecca black lol
DRyzed 4 months ago
they are both the greatest KOBE & MICHAEL BOTH AT THE TOP TOGETHER
mAttKNOWS19 6 months ago
0:29 at LEAST 20 feet jump
ducktape2215 6 months ago
2pac......at 3:58 lol
MrThejohnny08 6 months ago
Ummm. Guys I hope you realize that arguing on the Internet is like the Special Olympics, even if you win your still retarded.
tigerflen 6 months ago
KOBE!!!
lilbowwow222 6 months ago
Nobody will ever come close to being as good as Jordan.
xXxTarHeelFan5xXx 6 months ago