I liked JBL. John Layfield was one of those guys who was always changing his gimmick, and nobody knew what to do with him. Then they finally found the perfect gimmick: he would be the George W. Bush of the WWE.
Bradshaw was made champ so he would be the long-running monster heel that would put their next guy John Cena over. that simple. he was created just for that
I didn't mind Rock and Mankind switching back and forth. I thought it was different and old school. Plus you had big shows every week so it makes sense. Longer run these days becomes boring because you have championship matchs every week.
But I don't think Foley should have had a longer run. To me he was a trash wrestler with a silly gimmick. He didn't look like a champ.
Fuck Austin, Leconte is right, Kane should have had a monster heel champ run in 98 definitly. It doesn't mean because Austin worked that Kane would not have.
Kane was an upper mid card heel? Kane is possibly the only superstar to debut as a top card guy when he ripped the door off the Hell in the Cell and Tombstoned the Undertaker. Think of a better debut? (And yes, it wasn't the debut of Jacobs, the guy behind the mask, but the debut of Kane). He deserved a longer title reign. And he deserved to beat HHH for title rather than losing the mask. That match pretty much ended Kane's career, when it should have finally validated it.
You guys need to do a show for wasted fueds, fueds that should have been more then what they were. First one that comes to mind for me is Sting vs Bret Hart. That shit could have been fuckin amazing!!!
@MrBentnotbroken We actually did "biggest disappointments" in the first season also, and I think you'll see those names mentioned, heh. It is available on iTunes or our podcast site; you can find the show listing on our main page. Thanks!
What about Bob Backlunds second (well technically his third) Title reign when he defeated Bret Hart in 1994 and then immediately lost it to Diesel? Backlund had a lot of heat on him. Or what about Sid Justice in 1996/1997... instead of losing it back to HBK at the Royal Rumble...I mean he made a great Champ, while "Austin 3:16" was still in the building phase
-Kane should've got a much longer run with the WWF Title during the Attitude Era. And it took the WWE 10 years to finally give him a World Championship (a shame it was the WWE- ECW Championship)
-Macho Man Randy Savage should've lost the World Championship to someone other than Ric Flair or Hogan during his WWF and WCW Days
-Right now, I would love to see Christian win a World Championship in WWE. Will it happen? I don't know...but I'm hoping.
"It's fucking Bradshaw!" I felt exactly the same way when the put the belt on him in '04, but I can proudly say, I was a big Bradshaw fan when he was just Bradshaw. No mouth, just straight up kickin' your ass! Loved it.
what about diesel's reign in 95. i will never understand why it was him and why it was so damn long. it should have been on taker or michaels but instead they fuck it up and give taker these boring ass matches with the million dollar corporation. also, this would have been a great time to start a taker/michaels or a taker/bret feud instead of having him fight jobbers for a whole fucking year.
@erics2056 Yeah, and Bret was fighting minions of Lawler, while Diesel was wrestling Viscera. How terrible. But Nash was due though, and was getting over. He was part of the cliq is why he was champion at all.
@Tvtech9 yeah diesel was due but taker was even longer overdue. the only b.s. part is that it took another 2 years to give him the title and then he only got it by default and shawn losing his smile.
@kanedasrifle I'll agree Raven should have gone longer but Goldberg definitely should have been the one to take it from him. Just not one night later. I believe Goldberg was at 74-0 before that match so you have to look at him for a title match pretty soon but maybe even a month or two later?
I can't believe Shame-us (yes I'm deliberately spelling his name wrong) is the WWE Champion now. I switched to Raw one night just to see what was going on and when I saw him wearing the belt, I remembered why I didn't watch pro-wrestling that much anymore. That annoying schmuck officially working for the WWE (not counting FcW since that's a training ground) for under a year, under HALF a year, and getting a title shot PLUS a title win just really pisses me off.
Yea that shows real stupidity on WWE's part. People say "We want a new champ". So WWe says "Uh...You want a new champ duh okay. Give the title to someone noone cares about." There is a plethera of guys they could of built up to win the title from cena but they chose unprepared Sheamus. I liked sheamus until he won the title.
Golberg should have had another title shot the next night after he lost it at Starcade 98. Instead he had to rescue Elizabeth and Nash dropped the title to Hogan.First eath blow to WCW.
in no way would i ever defend HHH, trust me i can't fuckin stand him. but i heard the only reason he beat Booker T. at WM 19 is because they had Goldberg coming in the next night and Goldberg needed a heel champion to chase. which when you think of it that way it does make sense.
According to Bret Hart and Bob Backlund. His second WWE Title run was only like a "thank you". I don't think Bob Backlund, even knew he was going to win the WWE Title until a few weeks before Survivor Series 1994. I don't think he even wanted a long run with the WWE Title.
I hear what you're saying. And I'm not arguing that the WWF could've rested on Backlund's shoulders for an extended run. After the long Backlund/Owen vs Bret feud, and the surprising SS '94 finish, I just wanted two or three weeks to get used to Backlund being the champion before jobbing him to Nash.
It was a situation similar to when Sgt. Slaughter won the belt. Everyone knew he'd lose his first defense, but they let him wear the belt a couple months before Hogan beat him.
this show is so awesome! Yeah Booker T at WM19 and RVD around that time, maybe a year before it, were both held down by HHH. Both of these guys that the fans loved and would have been a great change from water bottle boy, were kept down. I remember Kane's 1 day title run, it was pointless, either give him a decent run or don't put it on the guy, it's funny they mentioned Kane as a former WWE champion just a couple months ago, but its barely even history.
hhh didnt fuck batista up at all, if anything he helped batista out, because not only did he beat hhh multiple times nut he crippled the character for a period of time,
it certafied his role as a monster
what killed batista was him getting injured. the people just never got behind him again.
If you think about it, the way he was booked after he came back is what ended his run...he should've came out out of nowhere on a smackdown show and just destroyed makr henry, but they didnt do that
RVD's ECW/WWE Title Run in '06 should have (would have) gone on longer. I know he got busted for possesion of weed, and that killed it, but had that not happened, I think he would have had a decent run.
After watching his ONLY title defense on PPV (Vengeance '06), the crowd was into him, he was OVER. I imagine that he would have lost the WWE title in questionable fashion, but I believe that his ECW Title run would have lasted a while, eventually droping it to Bobby Lashley.
This is going back some years but British Bulldog deserved a bigger push. Not during the Attitude era -- he was completely done by then -- but look at his match with Owen Hart to become the first European champion or his matches against HBK (one of which he lost in the UK, something Bret Hart could've taken note of, not that I don't like Bret). Around the era of the new Hart Foundation, I think he should've had a bigger push but, of course, all eyes were on Bret.
Also The Truth in TNA deserved a better a run. It was unique because he came out of nowhere, a nobody wrestler that shined when they put him as a main eventer and got better once he got the belt.
In a way what happened to him defines TNA. A young guy, that TNA "made", they gave him the platform to be a star and he delivered! And then he lost the belt and became a mid-carder again.
They had this jewel that became somebody in TNA, had everything to be a top guy....
I Kane a longer title run in 98, why not? Austin was boring me to tears. Here they had this fresh guy in Kane this could have made things interesting. Have Kane keep the belt for a few months, build him up so Austin can win it back in a more exciting way. Then have Vince and Taker both blame Kane, the monster Kane goes nuts on them-wich turn him babyface. So you have another star to rely on when Austin gets stale.
But frankly the WWF never had any intention to have Kane be their top guy.
Kane deserves thig biggest push after so many years so called ECW comes back and they decide oh lets give Kane the ECW Title. Kane has the title then they take it away. Just like at Wrestlemania Kane should have one by chokeslaming cm punk through the ring and if not Kane , Mark Henry.
I truly believe they missed out on something special with mysterio in '05. He is one of their biggest draws and having him as their undersized and underdog champion who sells a lot of merchandise would have been exciting and good for business. But of course WWE turns it into a way to bury another WCW guy even though he draws money. They want to target kids, but the guy the kids love the most is getting beat on and losing matches every week. Holler at me Wrestling Roundtable!
I Think RVD Should have won the ECW title from Steve Corino and Justin Credible in a 3 way dance on ppv. If Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit were going to job their belts out to someone it should have been Chris Jericho because Jericho/Guerrero would have been good how ever if it would have been another Jericho/Benoit match that should have main event ed Summer Slam 04 in Canada with both home countrymen facing off for a world title instead of Jericho being a jobber would have been big
I got someone in WWE that deserved a run and didnt get it. Vader, i mean the guy was a legit ass kicker in Japan and WCW, and was being bult as an ass kicker in WWE there was no reason that Vader shouldnt have beat HBK at SS 96 and even so he should have got the shot at survivor series and not sid, i know vince was building for HBK vs Bret at WM13 but Vader should have had a run. Shawn's reign got stale and vince put the belt on the wrong guy a survivor series
ditto Justin was a good heel in ECW and did deserve to be champion, the stairway to hell match with Dreamer was very good and underrated but i do agree that RVD should have beat him for the belt, and have Ryhno challenge him for it, like that wanted to do with the TV title
kurt angle in 2003:cmon,it lasted like 2 months,when it shdve been at least a year.
chris jericho:i honestly believe jericho was screwed over in 2002,when he got that pussy ass reign.i thought he cudve been a great face champ,since he was pretty over from 1999-2000,and got a giant pop when he "beat" HHH for the belt.
Kane:i think kane deserved to win the rumble 2001 instead of austin,and then win the belt at mania 17.not have a 24 hr reign.
Andre the Giant. One World Title run in the WWF that lasted the marathon time of about 45 seconds. Surely the most obvious candidate for this category
I have to say...if it's just me...then it's just me, but i loved Corino in ECW...i thought his gimmick, his work ethic and his all round look were very very good. An he busted his ass off in ECW. If he didn't deserve the title yet...if ECW has continued i would have had him defenatly at the top of the company...just my opinion of course
If they were smart they should of push the hell out of Mysterio he sells and they coulda legitimize his title more him saying I'm going giving everybody a shot
they could've brought some decent indy wrestler or something to that nature.
I honestly think Rhyno would make a great Heavyweight champion! Why u guys think TNA made a poor choice, I have no idea! But Rhyno as world champion, gee I wish I saw that! That guy has one hell of a reputation...
Nice topic, I like Bradshaw he is like the Triple H of smackdown at the time. Plus just like Beniot, Eddie, and Rey Mysterio who bust there butts years in the company. I think he deserved a title run. And I also liked Christian in TNA unfortunately they played him wrong.
one can debate. I hated JBL's title reign, but yeah, he deserved one.....for some reason...but I HATED that the A.P.A. broke up as it did, and never had a full reunion and an actual tag team title reign in their entire return!
Sting definately deserved more of a title run from that first reign as WCW champ--he should've had it for a year...Luger would've been interesting to see get a better title run when he beat Hollywood Hogan in '97...Road Warriors deserved better title runs in the WWF and the NWA....it took both federatoins long enough to get them the belts, they should've had the belts longer than they did--they were the most over tag team in the sport
Here one CM punk reign as champion good god how badly did they mess this up they should of turn him heel when he won it and have him do that straight edge heel he did in ROH.
Honestly, they shouldn't have give him the world title so damn soon! I know he had a good "pop" but it's pushing it when you give a wrestler a world title who has wrestled in that company in less than 5 years!
I know you guys don't like this guy but Randy Orton first title should of lasted at least 4 months because Triple H lost to Cris benoit Randy Orton beats him cleanly and It lasts a month and who to triple h I mean I have been a fan of this show since the begining of this show and the only thing I've ever disagreed with is what your opion's of Randy Orton I really enjoy Randy but that is only my opion.
Ok, so I was off by a title change or two but the point that it was too many too quickly remains. And by the way, you're wrng about "Rock beats Mankind March RAW" That was February 15th, the day after St. Valentine's Day Massacre IYH, in a ladder match. So there :P
Mystero was a decent run. I mean honestly, a guy who is 5'3, in a company filled wiht 6'0 and higher stars and holding it from April to November??? Sorry, giv'em 2 months and call it another few years
@teamRATEDcds I always felt Eddie should of kept the title throughout the summer of 2004 and if he was going to lose it, he should of lost it in October or November at Survivor Series 04
Because I took down the videos to re-edit them, so WWE couldn't flag any more of them. But if you're seeing it for the first time, that's an added bonus, heh. The new season will hopefully start within another month, thanks
have to agree with Haber about Sting's first WCW Title run. Because in retrospect Flair at that point was already having big heat with Jim Herd (and rightly so) and Flair had been thinking about going to the WWE at that point I think and it would been the perfect time Flair puts Sting over and Flair's free to go to WWE. And Sting was WCW's Warrior (Jim Helwig) and he could been that guy to bring a more mainstream audience and Jim Herd f'ed that up.
just wondering what you guys think about owen hart? never got to hold the title but I think undeniably he should have. I think he could have held it after Wrestlemania X when he beat Bret in the opening match or even after the Screw job he was so over in his career but they always stuck him to the mid-card
Owen would have been a great champion. I was a HUGE fan of his, and I hope we can do a show in May about Owen for the 10th anniversary of his terrible death. Thanks
Don't be offended, I know all of you guys love the Hart Foundation.
I on the other hand don't give a shit about them because they were never part of my life except some backstory of HBK's career.
The only thing that facinate me about the whole "Hart" family was their "students" from the Dungeon, (benoit sadly) Natalia, the Owen Hart Tragedy and the Screwjob.
ANYWAYS I have one simple question:
who the hell's bright idea of having wrestlers "FLY" to the ring in the first place??
So because YOU never saw it happen as it unfolded in your own lifetime for you to personally witness, you don't give a shit. mm hmm. You must have done great in history in school with that sort of open mind. Nice to see you concentrate almost solely on the negative parts of the Hart legacy too.
what can I say? I enjoy reading tragedies as well as success.
Titanic, Hindenburg, Zodiac, you know...crazy stuff like that.
As for the Hart family!!! You would've thought the same thing if you were me!
Hell, not just the Hart family, Hogan too!! Right when he feuded with the Rock I was on The Rock's side. Of course when I got used to Hogan I got a change of heart.
I'll be honest, it is a fun thing for me! Dissing "famous" wrestlers whom I never seen in my entire life!
Don't get me wrong, I only do that kind of shit for fun!
I always thought : Well if they are so great, why the hell I never see them? Then again this was BEFORE WWE started sucking. Now I say, okay maybe they have a point for not making an appearance!
But yea, it's unfair I should show respect to the "old" guys. Ten to one they were alot better than the new guys!
If there's one thing I really, REALLY like about the Hart Foundation: the idea it is an actual family stable!
On the contrary...I got "A's" in history class! And I am very Afrocentric. Meaning upon reflect my race's HISTORY I refuse to follow some stereotypes. i.e. if your black buddies (suppose we meet) said the "n" word around me, things won't get pretty.
And in terms of the Hart's tragedy. They are not the first! I read about the Von Erichs, and this guy who died from the "Heart Punch"
Again, I apologize for "not giving a shit" about the Hart's history. Consider it my "heel" gimmick
Oh and do you think that the main event for WM 19 would've be better (not saying it wasn't good, it was great) if it was a triple threat with Lesnar/Angle/Benoit and just had someone else team with Rhyno in that tag match?
Absolutely not, especially knowing how one of the three would go on to, you know, murder his family & all, heh. But even so, Lesnar/Angle should have been the biggest match they promoted in years. The fact they had two legit NCAA wrestlers, one of whom was Olympic level, and didn't spend millions promoting it shows their lack of perspective. Instead, McMahon/Hogan - which no one REALLY gave that much a shit about - got all the hype. They could have been so legit!
What does Benoit killing his family 4 years in the future have to do with anything? The fact is back in 2003, Benoit, Angle and Lesnar were the best wrestlers in the WWE and you know it. Sure he never wrestled in NCAA, but he had been trained by the greatest wrestling family of all time. Ok maybe it would be better if it was a Three Way Dance, that way, we can see them wrestle it out and then when Benoit gets eliminated, we can see a one on one with the Shooting Star Press finish.
Oh, because of that whole "Yeah, the guy we pushed was a psycho" thing, but anyway, yeah, in 03, those three were three of the best in the WWE, but Benoit just plain shouldn't have been in the match because, like I said, he wasn't "legit." The fact they had two NCAA champions in the main event for THEIR title should have been something they should have taken true, mainstream pride in. Just because they didn't bother finding something good for Benoit to do in the undercard was their fault
You say psycho like he was crazy for years, his episode only lasted 3 days. The rest of his 40 year life, he was a great man. Angle/Lesnar is good enough. But come now, you can't agree with the WWE erasing him from history. Yeah he did bad things, but we don't forget OJ because he killed people,some people still thinks of him as a great althete If Benoit is erased for killing two people, even though it wasn't in cold blood and he wasn't right in the head, then we should forget him. Part 2 next.
Another person who comes in mind is Hitler, he killed thousands of people and tried to take over Europe. Do we forget about him, no. He is even considered a great leader. And don't give me that "It was stragedy" shit, killing Jews didn't help him with the war. The main diferences between Hilter, Benoit and Simpson were that Hitler and Simpson were sane when they did what they did. Benoit was not, he drove himself crazy to entertain people like you and me and to provide for his family.
So WWE should stop erasing his years of hard work and dedication with the company. Unless we plan to erase everyone who has done a bad deed like Clinton, what if people actually erased his history only because he cheated on his wife? That would never happen because that is stupid, just like this.
Sure, erasing history is stupid, but so is glorifying a psycho like Benoit. There's a difference between distancing yourself from someone who gave you & your business a bad name, and stubbornly maintaining his place on an imaginary pedestal, almost out of spite. So you want WWE to say, "Why dwell on the fact he had concussions & drug problems that led to him murdering his family when we can remember all those great matches" when, whoops, all those matches led to those problems!
I give up! You win, but I assure you, I'm going to train to be a wrestler and be twice as better than Benoit and not make the same mistakes he made and then you are going to talk about my 5 star matches for years. You hear me? FOR YEARS!! But hey i had fun debating with you, we should do it again sometime, with something that isn't so extremely one sided. Great video by the way. Hope to hear from you soon.
heh, yeah, it's nice having a debate without resorting to name calling. But though I didn't mean to get off on the topic, Benoit is, obviously if you've watched the show, a serious topic to me, and I know a lot of wrestlers, personally, who apparently have NOT learned the lessons from that terrible situation. Then again, I know some who HAVE, heh, so should you go through with training, good luck, and be careful & smart with your body. Thanks a lot for the conversation & compliments :)
GOOD LUCK!! Seriously!! I am really looking forward to it!! But I doubt you can for ONE reason only: WWE doesn't know in ring talent!
Hell, I want to be the next Benoit myself! Which is why I want to take judo (wait, then I'll be the next Tazz...oh well). But seriously, I would like to see wrestlers with technical skills again! So far William Regal's just about th last man standing.
This here is a Benoit fan and let me tell you this:
Benoit deserved what he got! Whether its his fault or not, unless it turns out the police did a sloppy job searching his home, Benoit killed his family!! He has no right to be remembered by the WWE! However, I do would miss his in ring skills! His in ring performance would be truely missed! It's a shame, I know, but hell murder's murder!! (unless it's self defense)
Wow, by defending a child murderer, you say Hitler was sane. Impressive!
Benoit drove himself crazy because of his obsessive need to do what he did. He was a freakjob, and we all knew it to some extent. We knew for years he was doing drugs & moves he shouldn't have been doing, so it's not like he was a "great man" all those years, if we go by the whole "stop hitting me & doing drugs" thing Nancy had(whiny bitch!). WWE distancing themselves from that, I think, is totally understandable
How the hell did I get to see half of the match on broadcast television???
2) 99? Really? When did foly first "retired"?
3) Oct - Dec. is just about right! The season's right, the year and show....really?? Oo did by chance the WWE play Raw show reruns before Smackdown came in? I swear I KNOW when I saw The Rock and Al Snow it WASN'T RAW!!
Oo wait!! Second question!!
When was the Hardy Boyz v E & C ladder match for the million dollars???
Sorry, but it just doesn't sound right! I KNOW I watched WWF well befoe Foley Retired, Triple H was the first champion I've seen....somewhere way before the Rock won the Royal Rumble.....bah! Yeah, I'll look it up. Thanks anyways
but i know for damn sure my bro and I saw E&C vs Hardy Boyz for a sack of money! My bro became a fan of the Hardy Boyz since then! Stopped now because how many times Jeff drugged himself up
At least "he who we do not speak of" World Heavyweight Title run ended in a respectable manner, he won it in a great match in a great finish. And he lost it in a match where there were no run ins/ no foreign objects being used, his matches with Orton were always good matches, those guys had great chemistry. But look how Latino Heat lost the WWE Title at The Great American Bash, by a technicality and that really didn't help JBL's cred either winning it that way.
Well, you & I might have been pissed off, but apparently Eddie was thrilled. That I find SO funny ; He bitches & complains about being held down in WCW and how it wasn't fun to wrestle anymore. Then he gets the title in WWE and 'can't handle it.' Can't handle what, exactly? Going out & being as awesome as he normally was? Like the company was going to tank with a huge draw like Eddie on top. Whiny bitches, haha.
Yeah, lol he was happy dropping it to Bradshaw in that stuipid match, when i heard about i thought, you have got to be kidding me? bradshaw why the fuck him? and eddie was just so hot(not in an attractive way) then and then he kinda of faded. also this has nothing to do with this subject but im getting sick of these jeff getting run over over storylines even though i know its meant to put christian back on the map.
Oo "pointless" I am not sure. I hated at first. But every time I hear him on the mic, it is interesting how as a heel he exaggerates his "achievements" and I like it. And not only that, he isn't like Randy Orton or Triple H.
But he isn't that good, i admit he is a good on the stick and as US champ(the only time when he was JBL, i like him). The rest was turd, world champ for over 10 months, wtf. Wrestlemania though is looking like a massive dud to me this year.
I HATED that title reign myself! And I was GLAD Cena took it off JBL. Little did I know that reign would be outshined by another obnoxious title reign: Cena's YEAR LONG title run.... now that I would say... WTFH!!
I think the WWE KNEW ppl would hate JBL, and when I mean people, I mean intellects as well as dumbasses. They just wanted SOME ONE John Cena to beat. Eddie wouldn't do, Triple H was on RAW, Orton....don't make me start.
and yeah, the only thing I look forward to WM25 is MITB
Triple H would never job to anyone, i didn't even think cena was that over, but then again eddie could have held it until RR, or NWO give hime a year long reign, he was scintaliting at that time but no wwe make a typical shoddy decision.
One thing's for damn sure, I am sick of "face" year long reigns. Heel year long reigns (especially if its a stable) are a lot more easy to tolerate with!
hated JBL's reign. But at least HE didn't do it TWICE! It was one reign, YEARS ago! Cena had 2 consecutive year long reigns, and a reign that lasted around 150 days.
In regards to Mick Foley and Rock for the WWE Title in late 1998 early 1999. Mick even said on The Monday Night Wars Legends of Wrestling on WWE 24/7. The infamous night when he won the WWE Title, he even knew that night he wasn't going to a Cena or Hogan WWE Title run and he was all right with that. I guess for us old school wrestling fans we are more used to the longer Title regins for all the titles.
in 2008, held for 2 months then lost it to batista????? then won it again and he needed to win more matches, i think a win against cena would have been awesome as hes been fantastic for the majority of the year
I think the time of Jericho's title reign in '02 was perfect (he had to drop the belt at mania to a face), it was the booking that screwed him over. The whole world had to fall on Rock and Stone Cold for him to win, and he was just ruthlessly fed to HHH.
The '08 reigns of Jericho were a little ridiculous, especially Batista's week reign designed to keep him feeling relevant.
Personally, I think Jericho should have kept the strap until mania '09 and dropped it to Cena then.
Kurt Angle, though he was champion numerous times, never really had a memorable reign. His first didn't quite wield many classics(from Oct. 00 to Feb. 01, a couple decent matches but the rest weren't *great*), and every other reign he had was criminally short. Usually the best Kurt Angle title matches were either him winning or losing it! heh, though the Rumble 03 match was of course his best defense
I think one guy who got screwed on a title run even though he did go on to become a legend was how Undertaker lost the belt so quickly to Hogan. I mean my gosh they let the Ultimate non-wrestling Warrior have almost a one year reign as champion, but then they make Taker, even though he was very new who had the best character in WWE history, drop the belt to Hogan. I mean JR said facing Hogan at that time was the biggest honor in history at that time. They could have at least gave Taker 6 months.
Perhaps, but as it was, it set up the classic Royal Rumble FOR the belt itself, which of course was great with Ric Flair. But he at least had a good run with it in 2002 as the Biker, also beating Hogan & short as it was I still enjoyed him feuding with different & new people on different shows. And his reign in 1997 was very good too.
More recently, I think CM Punk's reign, while I don't think it shouldn't have been like, a year or anything, they definitely booked that run horrendously.
How so? Do you think it should have been a more ceremonious victory rather than a surprise on TV? As in, he says he wants a shot on PPV & they build it up with him going on to win it rather than what was more or less an ambush? Or the quality of his opponents(JBL, Snitsky, etc.)? Or the way he lost it, in a Scramble match he wasn't even involved in? heh
Bit of all of those, and diamondman's comment sort of illustrates my point. Punk was totally over, but undoubtedly raw (no pun intended) and sort of unbelievable, but instead of riding that initial boost he got (I think the WAY he won the title was pretty good) and building him up gradually, they booked him against generally shitty opponents, made him look weak, and ultimately made him have nothing to do with the title change.
And WWE botched a potiential Punk/Orton feud too. Damn.
I still don't buy into Punk as a viable champion. I thought he had the benefit of being able to work with guys who could make him look good on a regular basis in ROH, but in WWE when it was up to him to have a good match on his own merit he couldn't do it. I had no problem with them booking him as nothing but a fluke and a joke champion because I can't see him as anything but.
I liked JBL. John Layfield was one of those guys who was always changing his gimmick, and nobody knew what to do with him. Then they finally found the perfect gimmick: he would be the George W. Bush of the WWE.
RWright2006 3 weeks ago
oh god Bradshaw's reign was a huge deterrent for me to stop watching. right after 'Mania 20, just decline...
uncensored008 1 month ago
@uncensored008 Totally seconded. That's when I stopped watching Smackdown.
-E, Wrestling Roundtable
WrestlingRoundtable 1 month ago
Sting after Starrcade 97
DaManEX1983 2 months ago
Bradshaw was made champ so he would be the long-running monster heel that would put their next guy John Cena over. that simple. he was created just for that
skinwalkerxxx 3 months ago
I didn't mind Rock and Mankind switching back and forth. I thought it was different and old school. Plus you had big shows every week so it makes sense. Longer run these days becomes boring because you have championship matchs every week.
But I don't think Foley should have had a longer run. To me he was a trash wrestler with a silly gimmick. He didn't look like a champ.
skinwalkerxxx 3 months ago
Fuck Austin, Leconte is right, Kane should have had a monster heel champ run in 98 definitly. It doesn't mean because Austin worked that Kane would not have.
skinwalkerxxx 3 months ago
Kane was an upper mid card heel? Kane is possibly the only superstar to debut as a top card guy when he ripped the door off the Hell in the Cell and Tombstoned the Undertaker. Think of a better debut? (And yes, it wasn't the debut of Jacobs, the guy behind the mask, but the debut of Kane). He deserved a longer title reign. And he deserved to beat HHH for title rather than losing the mask. That match pretty much ended Kane's career, when it should have finally validated it.
TrollSimonCowell 5 months ago
Hogan? Defeatable? Lou Thesz said it best - 'My grandmother has a better leg drop then Hogan." "Nuff said.
SeanMBryans 5 months ago
I think Andre should have had a legit title run in WWF, not his 2 minute reign where he sold it to DiBiase.
ilikethecoke 6 months ago
You guys need to do a show for wasted fueds, fueds that should have been more then what they were. First one that comes to mind for me is Sting vs Bret Hart. That shit could have been fuckin amazing!!!
MrBentnotbroken 8 months ago
@MrBentnotbroken We actually did "biggest disappointments" in the first season also, and I think you'll see those names mentioned, heh. It is available on iTunes or our podcast site; you can find the show listing on our main page. Thanks!
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WrestlingRoundtable 8 months ago
What about Bob Backlunds second (well technically his third) Title reign when he defeated Bret Hart in 1994 and then immediately lost it to Diesel? Backlund had a lot of heat on him. Or what about Sid Justice in 1996/1997... instead of losing it back to HBK at the Royal Rumble...I mean he made a great Champ, while "Austin 3:16" was still in the building phase
ECWnWWF 1 year ago
-Kane should've got a much longer run with the WWF Title during the Attitude Era. And it took the WWE 10 years to finally give him a World Championship (a shame it was the WWE- ECW Championship)
-Macho Man Randy Savage should've lost the World Championship to someone other than Ric Flair or Hogan during his WWF and WCW Days
-Right now, I would love to see Christian win a World Championship in WWE. Will it happen? I don't know...but I'm hoping.
TheJ024 1 year ago
This is a surprisingly polished format. I enjoyed it. Thanks.
CrankyOldster 1 year ago
@CrankyOldster Really? Wow, heh, this was only our 4th show, too! You should see us now :) Thanks a lot though! We hope you stick with us!
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WrestlingRoundtable 1 year ago
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Sweetguy9009 10 months ago
Well I disagree with you about Bradshaw but that your opinion
ecwecwecw1 1 year ago
"It's fucking Bradshaw!" I felt exactly the same way when the put the belt on him in '04, but I can proudly say, I was a big Bradshaw fan when he was just Bradshaw. No mouth, just straight up kickin' your ass! Loved it.
ladykiller85 1 year ago
@fundyspokerblog
You make a good point : )
kanedasrifle 1 year ago
what about diesel's reign in 95. i will never understand why it was him and why it was so damn long. it should have been on taker or michaels but instead they fuck it up and give taker these boring ass matches with the million dollar corporation. also, this would have been a great time to start a taker/michaels or a taker/bret feud instead of having him fight jobbers for a whole fucking year.
erics2056 1 year ago
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Tvtech9 1 year ago
@erics2056 Yeah, and Bret was fighting minions of Lawler, while Diesel was wrestling Viscera. How terrible. But Nash was due though, and was getting over. He was part of the cliq is why he was champion at all.
Tvtech9 1 year ago
@Tvtech9 yeah diesel was due but taker was even longer overdue. the only b.s. part is that it took another 2 years to give him the title and then he only got it by default and shawn losing his smile.
erics2056 1 year ago
Raven U.S Title in WCW.
Should've been longer.
Goldberg didnt need the belt.
kanedasrifle 1 year ago
@kanedasrifle I'll agree Raven should have gone longer but Goldberg definitely should have been the one to take it from him. Just not one night later. I believe Goldberg was at 74-0 before that match so you have to look at him for a title match pretty soon but maybe even a month or two later?
fundyspokerblog 1 year ago
Chris Jericho undisputed championship rain WTF was that!!!
fedstheman1 1 year ago
Bret's 1st WCW title reign should have been much sooner and would have hence been longer.
Gambit455 2 years ago
I can't believe Shame-us (yes I'm deliberately spelling his name wrong) is the WWE Champion now. I switched to Raw one night just to see what was going on and when I saw him wearing the belt, I remembered why I didn't watch pro-wrestling that much anymore. That annoying schmuck officially working for the WWE (not counting FcW since that's a training ground) for under a year, under HALF a year, and getting a title shot PLUS a title win just really pisses me off.
volpe3fuego 2 years ago
Yea that shows real stupidity on WWE's part. People say "We want a new champ". So WWe says "Uh...You want a new champ duh okay. Give the title to someone noone cares about." There is a plethera of guys they could of built up to win the title from cena but they chose unprepared Sheamus. I liked sheamus until he won the title.
dxtmnt 1 year ago
Ricky Steamboat Intercontinental championship
hotcakes23 2 years ago
He probably would have gotten a longer reign, but Ricky asked to drop the title so he could be with his wife for the birth of their son.
TheJohnnyCotts 2 years ago
I didn't know that Thanks @TheJohnnyCotts
hotcakes23 2 years ago
DDP in wwe.
mychannelisgone 2 years ago
john bradshaw layfield aka a 3rd rate million dollar man- all the talent
byeroybyewhore 2 years ago
Raven in WWE.
danlfc1983 2 years ago
Opps I didn't you guys meant better Title run. Two of Macho Man's WCW title runs, I think he lost two of them to Hogan on the next night.
danlfc1983 2 years ago
Golberg should have had another title shot the next night after he lost it at Starcade 98. Instead he had to rescue Elizabeth and Nash dropped the title to Hogan.First eath blow to WCW.
enforcer4444 2 years ago
in no way would i ever defend HHH, trust me i can't fuckin stand him. but i heard the only reason he beat Booker T. at WM 19 is because they had Goldberg coming in the next night and Goldberg needed a heel champion to chase. which when you think of it that way it does make sense.
pchavez1981 2 years ago
Bob Backlund deserved a better second title run. Not much longer, but longer than a couple days.
mattg995 2 years ago
According to Bret Hart and Bob Backlund. His second WWE Title run was only like a "thank you". I don't think Bob Backlund, even knew he was going to win the WWE Title until a few weeks before Survivor Series 1994. I don't think he even wanted a long run with the WWE Title.
Sweetguy9009 2 years ago
I hear what you're saying. And I'm not arguing that the WWF could've rested on Backlund's shoulders for an extended run. After the long Backlund/Owen vs Bret feud, and the surprising SS '94 finish, I just wanted two or three weeks to get used to Backlund being the champion before jobbing him to Nash.
It was a situation similar to when Sgt. Slaughter won the belt. Everyone knew he'd lose his first defense, but they let him wear the belt a couple months before Hogan beat him.
mattg995 2 years ago
Good points.
Sweetguy9009 2 years ago
this show is so awesome! Yeah Booker T at WM19 and RVD around that time, maybe a year before it, were both held down by HHH. Both of these guys that the fans loved and would have been a great change from water bottle boy, were kept down. I remember Kane's 1 day title run, it was pointless, either give him a decent run or don't put it on the guy, it's funny they mentioned Kane as a former WWE champion just a couple months ago, but its barely even history.
DeathAdder83 2 years ago
Booker T did get fucked over.
pharohjamal 2 years ago
hhh didnt fuck batista up at all, if anything he helped batista out, because not only did he beat hhh multiple times nut he crippled the character for a period of time,
it certafied his role as a monster
what killed batista was him getting injured. the people just never got behind him again.
If you think about it, the way he was booked after he came back is what ended his run...he should've came out out of nowhere on a smackdown show and just destroyed makr henry, but they didnt do that
striker15338 2 years ago
RVD's ECW/WWE Title Run in '06 should have (would have) gone on longer. I know he got busted for possesion of weed, and that killed it, but had that not happened, I think he would have had a decent run.
After watching his ONLY title defense on PPV (Vengeance '06), the crowd was into him, he was OVER. I imagine that he would have lost the WWE title in questionable fashion, but I believe that his ECW Title run would have lasted a while, eventually droping it to Bobby Lashley.
My two cents.
808scott 2 years ago
This is going back some years but British Bulldog deserved a bigger push. Not during the Attitude era -- he was completely done by then -- but look at his match with Owen Hart to become the first European champion or his matches against HBK (one of which he lost in the UK, something Bret Hart could've taken note of, not that I don't like Bret). Around the era of the new Hart Foundation, I think he should've had a bigger push but, of course, all eyes were on Bret.
Oh, and Regal. I like Brits.
Guest1001 2 years ago
Al Sno in ECW.
JukoDDT 2 years ago
Also The Truth in TNA deserved a better a run. It was unique because he came out of nowhere, a nobody wrestler that shined when they put him as a main eventer and got better once he got the belt.
In a way what happened to him defines TNA. A young guy, that TNA "made", they gave him the platform to be a star and he delivered! And then he lost the belt and became a mid-carder again.
They had this jewel that became somebody in TNA, had everything to be a top guy....
skinwalkerxxx 2 years ago
I Kane a longer title run in 98, why not? Austin was boring me to tears. Here they had this fresh guy in Kane this could have made things interesting. Have Kane keep the belt for a few months, build him up so Austin can win it back in a more exciting way. Then have Vince and Taker both blame Kane, the monster Kane goes nuts on them-wich turn him babyface. So you have another star to rely on when Austin gets stale.
But frankly the WWF never had any intention to have Kane be their top guy.
skinwalkerxxx 2 years ago
The one guy that got screwed and should have had a longer run.....David Arquette!!!! He was a legend in WCW
lilspiked 2 years ago
Kane deserves thig biggest push after so many years so called ECW comes back and they decide oh lets give Kane the ECW Title. Kane has the title then they take it away. Just like at Wrestlemania Kane should have one by chokeslaming cm punk through the ring and if not Kane , Mark Henry.
mexarican1 2 years ago
I truly believe they missed out on something special with mysterio in '05. He is one of their biggest draws and having him as their undersized and underdog champion who sells a lot of merchandise would have been exciting and good for business. But of course WWE turns it into a way to bury another WCW guy even though he draws money. They want to target kids, but the guy the kids love the most is getting beat on and losing matches every week. Holler at me Wrestling Roundtable!
sfields425 2 years ago
kane has always been screwed,despite having one of the best gimmicks ever in wrestling.
awo55 2 years ago
the million doller man never understood why he never got a great push !! i put him as a gimick like taker in the early years!
mrdudeious 2 years ago
I Think RVD Should have won the ECW title from Steve Corino and Justin Credible in a 3 way dance on ppv. If Eddie Guerrero or Chris Benoit were going to job their belts out to someone it should have been Chris Jericho because Jericho/Guerrero would have been good how ever if it would have been another Jericho/Benoit match that should have main event ed Summer Slam 04 in Canada with both home countrymen facing off for a world title instead of Jericho being a jobber would have been big
themann0001 2 years ago
I got someone in WWE that deserved a run and didnt get it. Vader, i mean the guy was a legit ass kicker in Japan and WCW, and was being bult as an ass kicker in WWE there was no reason that Vader shouldnt have beat HBK at SS 96 and even so he should have got the shot at survivor series and not sid, i know vince was building for HBK vs Bret at WM13 but Vader should have had a run. Shawn's reign got stale and vince put the belt on the wrong guy a survivor series
GuardianRebelDave12 2 years ago
the wcw main events were pitiful. c'mon jay leno being in the main event?
goldenryano 2 years ago
Justin Credible was a champion who had alot of heat and I think he deserved it
Nsomniaradioonline 2 years ago
ditto Justin was a good heel in ECW and did deserve to be champion, the stairway to hell match with Dreamer was very good and underrated but i do agree that RVD should have beat him for the belt, and have Ryhno challenge him for it, like that wanted to do with the TV title
GuardianRebelDave12 2 years ago
here are some guys who shdve had better reigns:
kurt angle in 2003:cmon,it lasted like 2 months,when it shdve been at least a year.
chris jericho:i honestly believe jericho was screwed over in 2002,when he got that pussy ass reign.i thought he cudve been a great face champ,since he was pretty over from 1999-2000,and got a giant pop when he "beat" HHH for the belt.
Kane:i think kane deserved to win the rumble 2001 instead of austin,and then win the belt at mania 17.not have a 24 hr reign.
KT1778 2 years ago
JBL's title run - it's a good thing he was a heel, because I would never forgive the WWE for splitting the APA.
Mysterio - he's short, WWE full of giants..yeah, a few months was fair enough
Brock - not for nothing....but he had 3 reigns, why complain over a certain run?
Edge should never have reached the "8" mark!!
Cena should never have more day reigns as champion than triple h's 13 reigns put together!!!
Benjamin, Regal,Finlay =overdue for a world title in terms of skills
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Yep I am not gonna lie....
RVD screwed up
but still it's nice to see him get A world title once in his life!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Andre the Giant. One World Title run in the WWF that lasted the marathon time of about 45 seconds. Surely the most obvious candidate for this category
11nytram11 3 years ago
I have to say...if it's just me...then it's just me, but i loved Corino in ECW...i thought his gimmick, his work ethic and his all round look were very very good. An he busted his ass off in ECW. If he didn't deserve the title yet...if ECW has continued i would have had him defenatly at the top of the company...just my opinion of course
lithiumproject 3 years ago
If they were smart they should of push the hell out of Mysterio he sells and they coulda legitimize his title more him saying I'm going giving everybody a shot
they could've brought some decent indy wrestler or something to that nature.
TruStory007 3 years ago
I honestly think Rhyno would make a great Heavyweight champion! Why u guys think TNA made a poor choice, I have no idea! But Rhyno as world champion, gee I wish I saw that! That guy has one hell of a reputation...
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Nice topic, I like Bradshaw he is like the Triple H of smackdown at the time. Plus just like Beniot, Eddie, and Rey Mysterio who bust there butts years in the company. I think he deserved a title run. And I also liked Christian in TNA unfortunately they played him wrong.
cousincheeto 3 years ago
one can debate. I hated JBL's title reign, but yeah, he deserved one.....for some reason...but I HATED that the A.P.A. broke up as it did, and never had a full reunion and an actual tag team title reign in their entire return!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
heh
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
I agree that Booker T should have won at WrestleMania 19 and should have held it for at least 3 months.
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
I always find it funny when lawrence starts going off on people when bradshaw is mentioned lol
i think he was a good heel, character wise. but his skills were nothing special and i don't think he should have kept the belt that long.
thedrifter 3 years ago
awesome show great jon keep it up
uoyiuiy 3 years ago
Thank you!
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
awesome vid
wwfattidudefan 3 years ago
Thanks!
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
Great show! I really dig your views and that you guys talk about older topics.
instantkarmava 3 years ago
Thank you very much!
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
Sting definately deserved more of a title run from that first reign as WCW champ--he should've had it for a year...Luger would've been interesting to see get a better title run when he beat Hollywood Hogan in '97...Road Warriors deserved better title runs in the WWF and the NWA....it took both federatoins long enough to get them the belts, they should've had the belts longer than they did--they were the most over tag team in the sport
miggy25 3 years ago
Here one CM punk reign as champion good god how badly did they mess this up they should of turn him heel when he won it and have him do that straight edge heel he did in ROH.
patersinn420 3 years ago
Honestly, they shouldn't have give him the world title so damn soon! I know he had a good "pop" but it's pushing it when you give a wrestler a world title who has wrestled in that company in less than 5 years!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
I know you guys don't like this guy but Randy Orton first title should of lasted at least 4 months because Triple H lost to Cris benoit Randy Orton beats him cleanly and It lasts a month and who to triple h I mean I have been a fan of this show since the begining of this show and the only thing I've ever disagreed with is what your opion's of Randy Orton I really enjoy Randy but that is only my opion.
ecwecwecw1 3 years ago
Wildfire Tommy Rich
13redsox 3 years ago
I totally agree with ES about Savage in WCW
13redsox 3 years ago
Well thanks! heh
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
5 Title Changes in a Month?
- Mankind beats Rock January Raw
- Rock beats Mankind Royal Rumble
- Mankind beats Rock Half time Heat
- Rock Beats Mankind March Raw
- Austin Beats Rock Wrestlemania 15
sinansercan 3 years ago
Ok, so I was off by a title change or two but the point that it was too many too quickly remains. And by the way, you're wrng about "Rock beats Mankind March RAW" That was February 15th, the day after St. Valentine's Day Massacre IYH, in a ladder match. So there :P
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
It was more then a month, but I still agree. too many title changes.
1999 had 12 title changes I believe and one of them was Vince McMahon for god sakes.
sinansercan 3 years ago
Still trying to blot that out of my memory, still traumatized
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
LOL!!!
Say what's worse? 12 title changes in a year or Edge's Eight world title reigns in less than 3 years?
RandomMindz 2 years ago
The Attitude Era gets way too much credit in my opinion. Give me the old school 80's era anyday.
wwetnasux 3 years ago
I can dig the sentiment
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
any wrestler to win a world title their first time should hold it on for at least 1-2 months.
any wrestler who ALREADY had a year long title reign should NOT have multiple YEAR LONG title reigns!!
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Mystero was a decent run. I mean honestly, a guy who is 5'3, in a company filled wiht 6'0 and higher stars and holding it from April to November??? Sorry, giv'em 2 months and call it another few years
RandomMindz 3 years ago
I think Rodney was overestimated the length of Mysterio's title reign too, heh, but that said, I think they handled his title reign terribly.
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
THAT I'll agree with completely!!
Mysterio vs Khali!!! WTF?
It's like a ripoff from his match against Show!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Rock Mankind trade offs was wierd. I only started watching WWF around AFTER that sort of stuff, but even reading about it, I do not like that idea.
RandomMindz 3 years ago
eddie lost in a terrible way to jbl they fucked that title run up bad jbl had some good mtches but he was a horrible champion imo
teamRATEDcds 3 years ago
I agree, but being a heel, he was perfect for the job
RandomMindz 3 years ago
@teamRATEDcds I always felt Eddie should of kept the title throughout the summer of 2004 and if he was going to lose it, he should of lost it in October or November at Survivor Series 04
The80srox 1 year ago
@The80srox why respond to my comment almost a yr later
teamRATEDcds 1 year ago
@teamRATEDcds Maybe because I just saw your comment for the first time???
The80srox 1 year ago
Ok cool video but when was this shot in 2008 or 2007?
ivotherock7 3 years ago
2007. Read the date, sucka! Thanks :)
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
So why are you relasing it from begining for us who didnt cath it the firs time?
And when it gona be new ones?
Can you dig it sucka!!!!!!!
ivotherock7 3 years ago
Because I took down the videos to re-edit them, so WWE couldn't flag any more of them. But if you're seeing it for the first time, that's an added bonus, heh. The new season will hopefully start within another month, thanks
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
One more questio please who is putting and replaing this videons on Youtube Santamaria or you have other dudes for putting that
ivotherock7 3 years ago
That would be me, yes
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
have to agree with Haber about Sting's first WCW Title run. Because in retrospect Flair at that point was already having big heat with Jim Herd (and rightly so) and Flair had been thinking about going to the WWE at that point I think and it would been the perfect time Flair puts Sting over and Flair's free to go to WWE. And Sting was WCW's Warrior (Jim Helwig) and he could been that guy to bring a more mainstream audience and Jim Herd f'ed that up.
Sweetguy9009 3 years ago
just wondering what you guys think about owen hart? never got to hold the title but I think undeniably he should have. I think he could have held it after Wrestlemania X when he beat Bret in the opening match or even after the Screw job he was so over in his career but they always stuck him to the mid-card
hitmen1116 3 years ago
Owen would have been a great champion. I was a HUGE fan of his, and I hope we can do a show in May about Owen for the 10th anniversary of his terrible death. Thanks
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
Don't be offended, I know all of you guys love the Hart Foundation.
I on the other hand don't give a shit about them because they were never part of my life except some backstory of HBK's career.
The only thing that facinate me about the whole "Hart" family was their "students" from the Dungeon, (benoit sadly) Natalia, the Owen Hart Tragedy and the Screwjob.
ANYWAYS I have one simple question:
who the hell's bright idea of having wrestlers "FLY" to the ring in the first place??
RandomMindz 2 years ago
So because YOU never saw it happen as it unfolded in your own lifetime for you to personally witness, you don't give a shit. mm hmm. You must have done great in history in school with that sort of open mind. Nice to see you concentrate almost solely on the negative parts of the Hart legacy too.
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WrestlingRoundtable 2 years ago
what can I say? I enjoy reading tragedies as well as success.
Titanic, Hindenburg, Zodiac, you know...crazy stuff like that.
As for the Hart family!!! You would've thought the same thing if you were me!
Hell, not just the Hart family, Hogan too!! Right when he feuded with the Rock I was on The Rock's side. Of course when I got used to Hogan I got a change of heart.
I'll be honest, it is a fun thing for me! Dissing "famous" wrestlers whom I never seen in my entire life!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Don't get me wrong, I only do that kind of shit for fun!
I always thought : Well if they are so great, why the hell I never see them? Then again this was BEFORE WWE started sucking. Now I say, okay maybe they have a point for not making an appearance!
But yea, it's unfair I should show respect to the "old" guys. Ten to one they were alot better than the new guys!
If there's one thing I really, REALLY like about the Hart Foundation: the idea it is an actual family stable!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
On the contrary...I got "A's" in history class! And I am very Afrocentric. Meaning upon reflect my race's HISTORY I refuse to follow some stereotypes. i.e. if your black buddies (suppose we meet) said the "n" word around me, things won't get pretty.
And in terms of the Hart's tragedy. They are not the first! I read about the Von Erichs, and this guy who died from the "Heart Punch"
Again, I apologize for "not giving a shit" about the Hart's history. Consider it my "heel" gimmick
RandomMindz 2 years ago
and when I mean the "n" word, I mean they can't get away with the n that rhymes with tigger! Not even the modified one with the "a" at the end!
Afro, black, negro are fairly appropriate for me! anything else is a decloration of war against me!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Oh and do you think that the main event for WM 19 would've be better (not saying it wasn't good, it was great) if it was a triple threat with Lesnar/Angle/Benoit and just had someone else team with Rhyno in that tag match?
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
Absolutely not, especially knowing how one of the three would go on to, you know, murder his family & all, heh. But even so, Lesnar/Angle should have been the biggest match they promoted in years. The fact they had two legit NCAA wrestlers, one of whom was Olympic level, and didn't spend millions promoting it shows their lack of perspective. Instead, McMahon/Hogan - which no one REALLY gave that much a shit about - got all the hype. They could have been so legit!
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
What does Benoit killing his family 4 years in the future have to do with anything? The fact is back in 2003, Benoit, Angle and Lesnar were the best wrestlers in the WWE and you know it. Sure he never wrestled in NCAA, but he had been trained by the greatest wrestling family of all time. Ok maybe it would be better if it was a Three Way Dance, that way, we can see them wrestle it out and then when Benoit gets eliminated, we can see a one on one with the Shooting Star Press finish.
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
Oh, because of that whole "Yeah, the guy we pushed was a psycho" thing, but anyway, yeah, in 03, those three were three of the best in the WWE, but Benoit just plain shouldn't have been in the match because, like I said, he wasn't "legit." The fact they had two NCAA champions in the main event for THEIR title should have been something they should have taken true, mainstream pride in. Just because they didn't bother finding something good for Benoit to do in the undercard was their fault
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
You say psycho like he was crazy for years, his episode only lasted 3 days. The rest of his 40 year life, he was a great man. Angle/Lesnar is good enough. But come now, you can't agree with the WWE erasing him from history. Yeah he did bad things, but we don't forget OJ because he killed people,some people still thinks of him as a great althete If Benoit is erased for killing two people, even though it wasn't in cold blood and he wasn't right in the head, then we should forget him. Part 2 next.
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
Another person who comes in mind is Hitler, he killed thousands of people and tried to take over Europe. Do we forget about him, no. He is even considered a great leader. And don't give me that "It was stragedy" shit, killing Jews didn't help him with the war. The main diferences between Hilter, Benoit and Simpson were that Hitler and Simpson were sane when they did what they did. Benoit was not, he drove himself crazy to entertain people like you and me and to provide for his family.
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
So WWE should stop erasing his years of hard work and dedication with the company. Unless we plan to erase everyone who has done a bad deed like Clinton, what if people actually erased his history only because he cheated on his wife? That would never happen because that is stupid, just like this.
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
Sure, erasing history is stupid, but so is glorifying a psycho like Benoit. There's a difference between distancing yourself from someone who gave you & your business a bad name, and stubbornly maintaining his place on an imaginary pedestal, almost out of spite. So you want WWE to say, "Why dwell on the fact he had concussions & drug problems that led to him murdering his family when we can remember all those great matches" when, whoops, all those matches led to those problems!
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
I give up! You win, but I assure you, I'm going to train to be a wrestler and be twice as better than Benoit and not make the same mistakes he made and then you are going to talk about my 5 star matches for years. You hear me? FOR YEARS!! But hey i had fun debating with you, we should do it again sometime, with something that isn't so extremely one sided. Great video by the way. Hope to hear from you soon.
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Canadian Superstar and future World Champion.
evansawatsky20 3 years ago
heh, yeah, it's nice having a debate without resorting to name calling. But though I didn't mean to get off on the topic, Benoit is, obviously if you've watched the show, a serious topic to me, and I know a lot of wrestlers, personally, who apparently have NOT learned the lessons from that terrible situation. Then again, I know some who HAVE, heh, so should you go through with training, good luck, and be careful & smart with your body. Thanks a lot for the conversation & compliments :)
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
YOU become the next Rabid Wolverine!!
GOOD LUCK!! Seriously!! I am really looking forward to it!! But I doubt you can for ONE reason only: WWE doesn't know in ring talent!
Hell, I want to be the next Benoit myself! Which is why I want to take judo (wait, then I'll be the next Tazz...oh well). But seriously, I would like to see wrestlers with technical skills again! So far William Regal's just about th last man standing.
RandomMindz 3 years ago
This here is a Benoit fan and let me tell you this:
Benoit deserved what he got! Whether its his fault or not, unless it turns out the police did a sloppy job searching his home, Benoit killed his family!! He has no right to be remembered by the WWE! However, I do would miss his in ring skills! His in ring performance would be truely missed! It's a shame, I know, but hell murder's murder!! (unless it's self defense)
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Wow, by defending a child murderer, you say Hitler was sane. Impressive!
Benoit drove himself crazy because of his obsessive need to do what he did. He was a freakjob, and we all knew it to some extent. We knew for years he was doing drugs & moves he shouldn't have been doing, so it's not like he was a "great man" all those years, if we go by the whole "stop hitting me & doing drugs" thing Nancy had(whiny bitch!). WWE distancing themselves from that, I think, is totally understandable
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
Lesnar and Angle was awesome, great main event, it was on my birthday too and also it was the 1st wrestlemania i watched live.
roh1234 3 years ago
The first WrestleMania you watched live was 19? Mine was 6! Christ I feel old
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
lol, 13 years apart
roh1234 3 years ago
Don't feel too bad!
I've been watching WWE since 98 and I never watched a Wrestlemania event in my entire life!!!!
you know my reasons why!
RandomMindz 3 years ago
You have missed out on some great things, then again you rather not have watch some of them.
roh1234 2 years ago
strike that, I have been watching wrestling since 98 or 99 .
can someone tell me when this match took place: The Rock vs Al Snow steel cage!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
That was on a RAW in the fall/winter of 99. Probably between October & December
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WrestlingRoundtable 2 years ago
1) I highly doubt it was RAW!
How the hell did I get to see half of the match on broadcast television???
2) 99? Really? When did foly first "retired"?
3) Oct - Dec. is just about right! The season's right, the year and show....really?? Oo did by chance the WWE play Raw show reruns before Smackdown came in? I swear I KNOW when I saw The Rock and Al Snow it WASN'T RAW!!
Oo wait!! Second question!!
When was the Hardy Boyz v E & C ladder match for the million dollars???
RandomMindz 2 years ago
1. I told you the answer and then you don't believe it, why'd you ask? They did that shit all the time back then
2. 2000
3. I'd be surprised if it was SmackDown, but you could always just look it up
& you're thinking of No Mercy 99
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WrestlingRoundtable 2 years ago
Sorry, but it just doesn't sound right! I KNOW I watched WWF well befoe Foley Retired, Triple H was the first champion I've seen....somewhere way before the Rock won the Royal Rumble.....bah! Yeah, I'll look it up. Thanks anyways
but i know for damn sure my bro and I saw E&C vs Hardy Boyz for a sack of money! My bro became a fan of the Hardy Boyz since then! Stopped now because how many times Jeff drugged himself up
RandomMindz 2 years ago
At least "he who we do not speak of" World Heavyweight Title run ended in a respectable manner, he won it in a great match in a great finish. And he lost it in a match where there were no run ins/ no foreign objects being used, his matches with Orton were always good matches, those guys had great chemistry. But look how Latino Heat lost the WWE Title at The Great American Bash, by a technicality and that really didn't help JBL's cred either winning it that way.
Sweetguy9009 2 years ago
I also was pissed of with eddie losing and in the way he lost was beyond stuipid
roh1234 3 years ago
Well, you & I might have been pissed off, but apparently Eddie was thrilled. That I find SO funny ; He bitches & complains about being held down in WCW and how it wasn't fun to wrestle anymore. Then he gets the title in WWE and 'can't handle it.' Can't handle what, exactly? Going out & being as awesome as he normally was? Like the company was going to tank with a huge draw like Eddie on top. Whiny bitches, haha.
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
Yeah, lol he was happy dropping it to Bradshaw in that stuipid match, when i heard about i thought, you have got to be kidding me? bradshaw why the fuck him? and eddie was just so hot(not in an attractive way) then and then he kinda of faded. also this has nothing to do with this subject but im getting sick of these jeff getting run over over storylines even though i know its meant to put christian back on the map.
roh1234 3 years ago
This is the fan of the A.P.A and let me ask you this....
who WASN'T pissed about JBL becoming world champion? For damn sure I was after he ditched Faarooq. (storyline yes, but it still pissed me off!!)
RandomMindz 2 years ago
JBL isn't special in any way, he was best as a commentator in my honest opinion.
roh1234 2 years ago
no, but somehow his gimmick works for me!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Whatever you enjoy, bazjool.
roh1234 2 years ago
Oo then again, I have the same feeling about that rich white guy on the Boondocks
Wincler!! I think that's his name!!
Best Character in the show!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
What the fuck. I'm gonna stop replying now.
roh1234 2 years ago
WHAT?? the guy's smart!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
JBL is unbelievably cull and pointless.
roh1234 2 years ago
Oo "pointless" I am not sure. I hated at first. But every time I hear him on the mic, it is interesting how as a heel he exaggerates his "achievements" and I like it. And not only that, he isn't like Randy Orton or Triple H.
RandomMindz 2 years ago
But he isn't that good, i admit he is a good on the stick and as US champ(the only time when he was JBL, i like him). The rest was turd, world champ for over 10 months, wtf. Wrestlemania though is looking like a massive dud to me this year.
roh1234 2 years ago
I HATED that title reign myself! And I was GLAD Cena took it off JBL. Little did I know that reign would be outshined by another obnoxious title reign: Cena's YEAR LONG title run.... now that I would say... WTFH!!
I think the WWE KNEW ppl would hate JBL, and when I mean people, I mean intellects as well as dumbasses. They just wanted SOME ONE John Cena to beat. Eddie wouldn't do, Triple H was on RAW, Orton....don't make me start.
and yeah, the only thing I look forward to WM25 is MITB
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Triple H would never job to anyone, i didn't even think cena was that over, but then again eddie could have held it until RR, or NWO give hime a year long reign, he was scintaliting at that time but no wwe make a typical shoddy decision.
roh1234 2 years ago
Eddie? Oo well yeah, that could've worked
One thing's for damn sure, I am sick of "face" year long reigns. Heel year long reigns (especially if its a stable) are a lot more easy to tolerate with!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Yeah because as wcw worked out, the money is in the face chasing the heel. Though both cena and jbl's reigns were pretty shitty and dull.
roh1234 2 years ago
hated JBL's reign. But at least HE didn't do it TWICE! It was one reign, YEARS ago! Cena had 2 consecutive year long reigns, and a reign that lasted around 150 days.
RandomMindz 2 years ago
That was pathetic, and i already know that. I prefer knew champs evey now and then bt i do enjoy long reigns which mean something with direction.
roh1234 2 years ago
I think Chris Jericho should have held the title longer
roh1234 3 years ago
Which time? In 02 or 08?
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
In regards to Mick Foley and Rock for the WWE Title in late 1998 early 1999. Mick even said on The Monday Night Wars Legends of Wrestling on WWE 24/7. The infamous night when he won the WWE Title, he even knew that night he wasn't going to a Cena or Hogan WWE Title run and he was all right with that. I guess for us old school wrestling fans we are more used to the longer Title regins for all the titles.
Sweetguy9009 3 years ago
in 2008, held for 2 months then lost it to batista????? then won it again and he needed to win more matches, i think a win against cena would have been awesome as hes been fantastic for the majority of the year
roh1234 3 years ago
I think the time of Jericho's title reign in '02 was perfect (he had to drop the belt at mania to a face), it was the booking that screwed him over. The whole world had to fall on Rock and Stone Cold for him to win, and he was just ruthlessly fed to HHH.
The '08 reigns of Jericho were a little ridiculous, especially Batista's week reign designed to keep him feeling relevant.
Personally, I think Jericho should have kept the strap until mania '09 and dropped it to Cena then.
recker24 3 years ago
i agree mabye not even to cena make a new face with the rumble. yeah the booking was screwed for his 2002 reign.
roh1234 3 years ago
Kurt Angle, Mankind and CM Punk all come to mind!
popofbling 3 years ago
Kurt Angle, though he was champion numerous times, never really had a memorable reign. His first didn't quite wield many classics(from Oct. 00 to Feb. 01, a couple decent matches but the rest weren't *great*), and every other reign he had was criminally short. Usually the best Kurt Angle title matches were either him winning or losing it! heh, though the Rumble 03 match was of course his best defense
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
I think one guy who got screwed on a title run even though he did go on to become a legend was how Undertaker lost the belt so quickly to Hogan. I mean my gosh they let the Ultimate non-wrestling Warrior have almost a one year reign as champion, but then they make Taker, even though he was very new who had the best character in WWE history, drop the belt to Hogan. I mean JR said facing Hogan at that time was the biggest honor in history at that time. They could have at least gave Taker 6 months.
rclowers 3 years ago
Perhaps, but as it was, it set up the classic Royal Rumble FOR the belt itself, which of course was great with Ric Flair. But he at least had a good run with it in 2002 as the Biker, also beating Hogan & short as it was I still enjoyed him feuding with different & new people on different shows. And his reign in 1997 was very good too.
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
More recently, I think CM Punk's reign, while I don't think it shouldn't have been like, a year or anything, they definitely booked that run horrendously.
SamuraiFoochs 3 years ago
How so? Do you think it should have been a more ceremonious victory rather than a surprise on TV? As in, he says he wants a shot on PPV & they build it up with him going on to win it rather than what was more or less an ambush? Or the quality of his opponents(JBL, Snitsky, etc.)? Or the way he lost it, in a Scramble match he wasn't even involved in? heh
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WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
Bit of all of those, and diamondman's comment sort of illustrates my point. Punk was totally over, but undoubtedly raw (no pun intended) and sort of unbelievable, but instead of riding that initial boost he got (I think the WAY he won the title was pretty good) and building him up gradually, they booked him against generally shitty opponents, made him look weak, and ultimately made him have nothing to do with the title change.
And WWE botched a potiential Punk/Orton feud too. Damn.
SamuraiFoochs 3 years ago
I still don't buy into Punk as a viable champion. I thought he had the benefit of being able to work with guys who could make him look good on a regular basis in ROH, but in WWE when it was up to him to have a good match on his own merit he couldn't do it. I had no problem with them booking him as nothing but a fluke and a joke champion because I can't see him as anything but.
diamondman420 3 years ago