@Styliempire You can't even get your grammar correct. What makes you think you can do the math required to snipe someone from 700 yards? Or perform proper room breach and clears? On top of that you’ve just threatened the life of the president. Do you know that the instant you posted that, algorithms picked up your words and you’re now on the federal radar? Good luck with that genius.
@Styliempire hahahahaha just like your capitalist media, twisting words, i never said i would kill him, i said he will be the first to die. And i dont think your feds really care what an Australian thinks. Your President will be killed by his own people for his blatant attacks on their civil liberties and his gross violations of human rights around the world.
But fuck it. If i had the capabilities I'd wipe out your whole fucking congress.
For all you sh*t talking Che, you will never amount to anything Che has ever done, this is a very humanitarian person, his goal was to rid the world of the backward American ideologies and their materialistic and imperialistic ideals which produce a dolla $ign for anything you imagine...life itself.. Che was a legend, a person like that is born once in a century.
"I knew that when the great guiding spirit cleaves humanity into two antagonistic halves, I will be with the people.”
hahaha the imerialist dogs will fight for their precious gold and we the workers will fight for the right of all humans to exist, not just yanks and the rich!
@Styliempire Your answer only shows how stupid you are. I'm free to give my opinion, as you are. But I dont need to tell people F**** You to show them my poin of view. As I know, a slave is a person who has no power to give opinions. So, Im not a slave. Next time, try to think before giving a bad answer.
@Styliempire Whats wrong with you? Why do you think that my opinion is based on state propaganda? I have a brain.And yes, I have a problem with communism. We have Cuba , ex-Russia and North Corea (were people are starving) to show us how the communism destroyed those countries. The communism is an utopia, because there will always be an dictator on the backgrounds.
@TWIleaks US trade embargo's on Cuba and North Korea are the reason people are starving in those countries. USA bully tactics on those that dont bend to their will has resulted in millions of human beings murdered in the last 65yrs of Imperialist aggression.
As for Russia, they have a more stable economy than the USA.
Dont believe state run media, USA is dying economically, which is why they are starting illegal wars in an effort to gain tradable goods.
@eclecticdufus can't people like you take your sadistic psychopathic brutal mass-murderer messages and shove it so far up your ass where your head is and also where your messages belong and shut the fuck up americunt
"...I am a first generation Cuban, my Dad got to watch Che himself put a bullet into my Grandfathers head, because he was too slow getting Che's tea..."
Not by me. Someone else said that on the internet. Do you think it could be true?
Take note that there are some who constantly spam the page with hate messages. As for your question, ab-fuckin-surd. I would've believed it for a second if cohiba esplendidos were the case, instead of tea.
He killed a lot of people but it's not on record that he killed people for such insignificant reasons. And I'm not gonna take some guy's word over dozens of documents, most condemning Che...
@cpr10 when everyone is sick...in a village and where ever,.....we all need a cure...we all can believe in!...Somewhere everyhuman BEING including me have a feeling something is wrong.....we all want to see something that makes us realise!...Soon i hope this will be a thing we all see!....Someone sayed..."Blessed are those who do not need to believe!" Something will change soon...and we THE PEOPLE will all see it!
"Why does the guerrilla fighter fight? We must come to the inevitable conclusion that the guerrilla fighter is a social reformer, that he takes up arms responding to the angry protest of the people against their oppressors, and that he fights in order to change the social system that keeps all his unarmed brothers in ignominy and misery."
"This epic before us is going to be written by the hungry Indian masses, the peasants without land, the exploited workers. An epic that will be carried forward by our peoples, mistreated and scorned by imperialism; our people, unreckoned with until today, who are now beginning to shake off their slumber. Imperialism considered us a weak and submissive flock; and now it begins to be terrified of that flock; in whom Yankee monopoly capitalism now sees its gravediggers.”
Allí, en Cuba, desde que naces, todo es una broma revolucionaria: sacrificio, sacrificio y más sacrificio... Después te encarcelan, torturan o te quitan tus libertades personales y espirituales y te hacen pasar tremenda hambre con la libreta de racionamiento alimentario en nombre de esa revolución de Castro y todo parece una pesadilla Dantesca con el mejor estilo macabro de Maquiavelo. Lo siento por los cubanos, que sin poder huir de esa Isla, yacen en tremendo campo de exterminio "PASIVO".
A tribute to a sick SOB. He killed people for the fun of it. Even Castro knew this and sent him off to be killed. He told his men to fight to the end. He got lost, he surrendered with bullets in his gun. He was shot and left to rot in the jungle. He is no hero to the oppressed. You idiots that worship him, he would have just as soon killed you as looked at you.
Che Guevara is revered as a hero nowadays. All of us have seen those people sporting the Che shirts and other ridiculous Che paraphernalia. But this man, Che Guevara, is not some rebel who fought for equality and rights for the poor. He is not someone that anyone in their right mind should idolize. Che Guevara was a murderer, simple as that. He had countless thousands of Cubans executed. And yet, in a cruel twist of fate, somehow this criminal is remembered in such a good light.
@1980PintoMan Haha. There is no indication of that. He never killed for fun. He did kill Batistas henchmen and torturers, which he is justified in doing so.
Is that right? what about all the innocent people he slaughtered? and what about the labour camps for homosexuals ? of course that's just propaganda isn't it?
Trust John Lee Anderson over that raving lunatic Humberto Fontova, who is upset because a member of his criminal family was rightly executed by Castros freedom fighters. :)
@MrReco12 Exactly Che Guvara did not murder any policts ...... He just gave the pepole medical health and was hiden in the forrest so nowan could find him. Unlike any other revoluationary this one is the most brave man that ever lived.
@nancyyt1a the U.S govement did such a great service? And then went on to fund the Taliban as an anti communist cell. The U.S goverment also funded Pol Pot, and bombed rice fields in 'Nam and Cambodia killing 100,000 civilians. Then decades later the U.S would spear head a military campaign into the east, using the guile of anti terrorism, solely to plunder millions of dollars in natural recourses. Yes, well done America, the land of hypocrisy.
@Verification11 Che Guevara wouldve kicked your ass for this glorification. He was the impersonation of his conditions. These conditions keep growing on the workers and finally other men will impersonate their times and finish the work of the Che (or will fail).Anyways, praising him and hating on "forgotten" people is exactly what Che was fighting. Workers of all countries unite and rise. Sorry for my bad english
@Verification11 if you do not only like his style but also are interested in his political analysis, I recommend reading Marx. If you have any questions concerning what to read or something, you can of course ask me. I wish you all the best.
Che's haters love to speak of some "Che cult." Fact is, Che has no more cult than does Washington or Bolivar. He's on t-shirts because he lived - and died - for an idea. He literally put his life on the line for those less fortunate that he was. It was also a great pic.
No, to call Che's admirers a cult is silly. His detractors are vastly more obsessed with discrediting the man than anyone is with vindicating him - as if he needed it. Best thing to do is let them rant in their echo chamber.
Sad how a mass murderer can have history twisted over time to become a hero to unhappy young people. I have observed now, over many years that lies always find an audience among young 'seekers' of 'the truth', Established FACTS are ignored & dismissed by them, as they think those people who wrote the history are evil & aren't telling the truth, to 'Keep Control'. Misguided folks feel energized by being against any information they don't want to believe, because it comes from 'The Establishment"
@AmiableAndy The fact of the matter is that Che Guevara was a communist who believed that the means are always justified by the ends. He luxuriated in violence against human beings. He was indeed a mass murderer and a terrorist who found great delight in being judge, jury and executioner. He also loved to physically torture people to a slow excruciating death; it made him feel like God. Pity the young fools who think black is white and good is bad. Wake up and get real, young folks!
the good, creativ, intelligent people are not looking after money and power,,they want to make the world better,,capitalism and rich people self justify only.
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill
If Che had his way there would be no internet. A Capitalistic product. So all you Che "supporters" get off the internet or stop supporting him. It's hypocrisy
@loserman243 Exactly! These guys in my film class had his image in their "film." Did they realize that they would be dictated to as to precisely what films they were allowed to make, if any at all, after all, they might be more useful in the factory. The central planners know best......and it's all for the greater good.
Che would have dictated what was art, what was music, what was original, what was important.........
@loserman243 In case you have forgotten, the internet can be a great revolutionary tool. And besides, the internet was first conceived of in the 60's.
@loserman243 The internet is a global system of connected computer networks. It's not a "capitalistic product", whatever that means.
@11KmPerSec All nations are a house of cards. The US, shining example of capitalism that it is, has also collapsed. It just hasn't crashed yet because they keep borrowing trillion after trillion to prop up the failed system. All these collapses are less the result of any particular economic system, and more a result of international banking practices.
@onebigeye So you believe that if someone works hard, goes to college, and lives on his/her own self-sufficiently doesn't deserve to make more than the asshole who leaches off the government?
@loserman243 I don't know how you got that out of what I wrote, as I didn't imply anything like that, but I think what you said there is true. Of course, it seems that everyone except the working man is leeching off the government these days, including banks and companies like GM.
Like it or not, the US is splitting into two systems, socialism for the leechers (welfare / bailouts) and good ol' hard work and paying taxes for the hard working people who want to be self sufficient.
@onebigeye I agree with you. My reference was to the enduring myth that somehow European welfare societies are better off than the US (which is also becoming a welfare society whether you own a billion dollar car company or the only thing you own is bad drug habit.
Two thumbs waaaayyy down! What a terrible little tune. Why not post it right next to a love song for Adolf and maybe throw in a little praise for Polpot to round things out! Detestable!
You ignorant fool. Ask the people of Cuba what they think, they should have a pretty informed opinion on the matter. Of course he killed people, it was war. He waged war against fascist US puppets.
Hitler & Pol Pot is exactly the kind of people he would rally against.
Calling Che a mass murderer is like calling the allied soldiers under WW2 mass murderers. He did what had to be done to free a people.
One of the people executed under Che's orders was Rigoberto Hernandez. What was his "crime?" How was he a "thug and rapist," or "fascist?" Please explain.
Don't believe Humberto Fontova's revisionist lies. He is a supporter of Pinochet and Franco and a self righteous windbag. I doubt this " Rigoberto Hernandez" even existed. Another Humberto Fontova lie.
Ad hominem attacks against Fontova aren't the issue here. Your callous dismissal of Rigoberto Hernandez's plight is duly noted. After all, extremists (of the right and the left) defend their sides' atrocities by: 1) claiming that the atrocities never happened, and 2) claiming that the victims somehow "had it coming."
Again, ad-hominem attacks against Fontova are unimportant, since he's not the only one who has researched Fidel's (and Che's) crimes.
I'm not surprised that a Che hagiographer would seek to justify the cruel execution of a 17-years-old mentally ill high school janitor. You're one of the many who've tried. Like other Che groupies, you inadvertently proved the wisdom of the old Talmudic adage: "those who are merciful toward the cruel will become cruel toward the merciful."
Of course you doubt it... Thank you for proving my earlier point of how political extremists of both the left and the right use the same style of arguments to wish away the crimes committed by their side.
And, again, Fontova is not the only guy on the face of this planet who has catalogued Fidel's (and Che's) crimes. I bet that if Fontova were to say "the sky is blue," you'd say "no." LOL
have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed "an innocent". Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. * Jon Lee Anderson, author of Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life (1997),
Like most gullible Western researchers, Anderson accepted the "verdicts" handed down by Fidel's "revolutionary courts" at face value. Cuban dissidents like Armando Valladares pointed out that during his "trial," the judges smoked cigars and read comic books, knowing that the "sentences" had been approved in advance. Che himself dismissed the concept of actually providing evidence of the accused's alleged guilt. Moreover, Che began his killing career while still "in the bush.":=)
@MrReco12 - actually the fact that Che dismissed the concept of actually providing evidence of the accused's alleged guilt is known not from dissidents. It is known from the texts he himself wrote. This was not his original idea, he took it from Lenin, nevertheless he did not even pretend that he was attached to the idea of a fair trial.
@MrReco12 - Eichmann was put on trial and execiuted. Che executed without a trial. Finally he was also executed without a trial, which was worse than a murder, it was a mistake, because it made him a "martyr".
What you fail to realise, Che's execution of criminals were applauded by most of the Cuban population. Indeed, when Castro asked a crowd of over 1 million if he should continue to execute right wing terrorists and their sympathizers. THe cry was SI TO THE WALL!!!!!!
@MrReco12 - But this is the idea of lynch. The trials were invented long time ago, because the desire of the crowd is not justice. The guilt has to be proved. The crowd might dislike someone, but that does not make him criminal. It is a bit like in science. We do not ask the crowd whether this or that is true. We do research on it and decide based on the results.
Wow... the commie government- sanctioned mob spoke english?
BTW, Valladares was a journalist, not a man "defeated" by Che. After all, Che never defeated anyone, was notso-hotso at fighting, and only knew how to shoot mentally-ill teenagers in the head...
The only peson who i have seen mention that socalled "mentally disabled teenager" is the serial liar Humberto fontova who's cousin, a facist, was executed for his crimes against the people.
There's far more evidence that Che shot teenagers in the head than there's proof that Che was a guerrilla warfare genius. Dude, your labeling of Che's victims as "fascists" is getting rather stale. I suggest changing your repertoire :=)
Not a very convincing argument. You have no evidence that the teenagers (especially the mentally-ill youngster I've previously mentioned) shot by Che in the back of the head were child killers/ rapists. Try again.
They were not teenagers but fully grown adults who worked for Batista's murderous regime. Humberto Fontova's make belief "victims" is laughable at best.
Mean while: he praises PInochet who murdered a 13 yr old boy: By god,unlike Che's "victims" we actually have proof that he exists!
It's a familiar tactic of Che idol-worshippers to try to excuse his crimes by invoking Pinochet's repression in Chile (which occurred more than a decade later). Che's victims "fully grown adults who worked for Batista's murderous regime?" The executed youngster I mentioned previously was a high school janitor. You bought into the Che myth way too readily. May I suggest trying a more original tactic? :=)
Care to show me his image or any proof that this "high school janitor existed". if you google the name i gave you you can find his image and usally the brutal way he was killed by pinochets thugs. Yet, when i google your disabled teenager: I get a revisionist Humberto Fontova rant.(a blatant liar)
@MrReco12 No one is denying the existance of the Chilean you mentioned. With the advent of democracy in many Latin American countries (Chile, Brazil, etc), the archives of their former military regimes have been available, moreover, survivors and perpetrators of such regimes have given interviews to researchers. In Cuba, such opening has not taken place. Fontova's research (with his interviewing of eyewitnesses) must have really gotten under your skin. Try again, amigo :=)
Not really, indeed i find it laughable that he uses escaped Batsita's goons testimony to back his claims. He does whilie supporting Pinochet,Fracno etc.
Actually, none of the sources he has interviewed was one of "escaped Batista's goons [sic]." Moreover, other witnesses to Fidel's and Che's brutality have testified independently of Fontova's work. In order to bolster your argument, you need to name some names, otherwise, you're just regurgitating the decades-old talking points of the Cuban commie regime. Not a very original practice, by the way.:=)
Rubbish, the only people Fontova bothered to interview was Batisa's cronies, murderers of 20 000 innocent people. Of course his sadistic and terrorist father was part of the mass killing and thats why he belevies Batsitas torturers are a group of choir boys when in fact they were violent thugs who got what they deserved.
He hates Castro and Che because members of his criminal family were shot for collaborating with Batista's regime.
Eyewitnesses to Che's crimes were "Batista's cronies, murderers of 20 00 innocent peole?" You have an interesting sense of humor.
"Castro remains undefeated?" Not exactly: he remains the increasingly senile leader of an empoverished island (among the poorest in the Americas), whose policies are defended by some rather gullible Westerners. Some of them have trolled with pro-Che messages on this very channel :=)
"Cuban exiles have failed?" You must have never been to southern Florida. Cuban "exiles' there have achieved prominent positions in business, arts, government, and other areas of endeavor (no surprise, since Cubans have traditionally been good entrepreneurs).
"Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the united states?" LMAO
And to add more: IF Che hadnt executed those thugs, it would have a distasteful unsult to the 20 000 people who were murdered by Batisitas dictatorship.
I appreciate your masquerading as a Che cultist, in order to expose the absurdity of their arguments, and their willingness to believe in every piece of fiction regarding their "hero." Great job, my friend.
If you believe the conservative press, you'd think Castro and his evil henchmen, whilst stroking their beards and sinisterly twirling their mustaches, had "young boys" and "innocent" rightist politicians shot just for the Heck of it!
Of course the real story is quite different from that. What our right wing friends choose to forget is the 20 000 murdered by Batista's regime, a govt that JFK admitted was the worst in south America.
You have to laugh at Cuban exiles like Humberto fontova, although their moaning and whining,because Che and Castro gave them a taste of their own medicine, does get irritating at times.
@Cla900 Your cuban friends family must of been supporters of bastista the only people who were kill were people who supporters of bastista, and trust me Fulgenico Batista was much worst
@Cla900 No i was born in cuba i left when i was 3yrs old my grandfather fought with castro and was a cuba guerrilla. cuba was worst under batista. cuba was exploit by
mobs and foreign companys who ran prostitution ring, and owned land in cuba and exploit farm workers. Only wealthy people had access to education and health care. you should watchthis movie called CHE with benicio del toro it explains alot of why
@Cla900 And whats to say what you read in your textbook isn't bullshit, as a child che and castro were folk heros to us (even tho che was not cuban). they stood up and took a stand for the every day cuban. but living in america you get to see other peoples opinion on che, and i can respect there opinion but to me and my family che and castro are hero.
-Batista never executed 10 000 Cubans (Fidel and Che did).
-Today, Cuba is the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere (it was among the wealthiest before Fidel).
-Before Fidel and Che, Cuba was a net immigration country (Fidel's parents were Spanish immigrants). Today, Cubans use a variety of flotation devices to reach the USA...
If Cuba is poor now it's the Americans fault, they're the one imposing the embargo on Cuba... which is harmless nowadays.
Their economy was strong because the country was like america, a banana republic where companies had all the power. Cubans live longer then Americans, they have better healthcare and medicare then americans, they are the best in the world on third world aid.
Democracy and Freedom are not values you can force on people.
You say the US embargo is responsible for Cuba's present poverty, yet you then say the embargo is harmless... You're contradicting yourself.
Cuba's present povery is due to the mismanagement inherent in communist ideology. After all, since 1959, Fidel had lots of Soviet "fraternal socialist assistance," while nowadays, Cuba trades with the European Union. And yet, despite all this aid, Cuba is the second poorest country in this hemisphere...
And even though they may be the "poorest" country in this hemisphere(source please), they live longer, have better healthcare and overall have it better then your average american... sure they may not live in luxury but they live a simple, good life.
"They [Cubans] live longer, have better healthcare and overall have it better then your average american." This claim is based exclusively on the statistics provided to the UN by the Cuban government (not quite a reliable source). If Cubans live such great lives, why do so many of them keep flleing the island on rickety improvised rafts?
Because in America, they have a chance of getting RICH.
That's why americans stay in their crap country, that's why they allow capitalism on their land. Because they all think they will have a chance of becoming rich themselves, and aslong as the top 1% of America keeps people afraid and keeps up the illusion of anyone being able to become rich, people will put up with it.
1% of the world's population own 80% of everything, while the rest of us are shackled with debt.
A most fascianting, and fact-free, anti-American rant, my friend.
On one hand, you claim that Cubans "live a simple, good life," on the other hand, you reproach them for striving for "a chance of getting RICH." You must acknowledge that Che's and Fidel's revolution had robbed the Cubans of prosperity...
What "atosafi1" said. But also keep in mind the troubles of Cuba is to a large degree the works of the US. Insisting on a meaningless embargo just out of pure evil. Socialism you said? Not that that is a good reason to embargo someone, but if that is the reason, then why are all your shit made in China?(aka communism) Shouldn't you also embargo China?
You contradict yourself: you say that " the troubles of Cuba is to a large degree the works of the US," then you call the US embargo "meaningless." Which is it?
Moreover, if "all [our] shit [is] made in China," then why doesn't Cuba just trade w/ China directly? :=) My earlier point is simple: Fidel's regime has enjoyed decades of Soviet support, and many years of trading with the EU countries, yet communism has failed to deliver prosperity to Cuba.
Its not a contradiction. Its meaningless in the way that it does not help anyone / protect the US. Whatever meaning it had disappeared when the cold war ended. But that does not mean it is not harmfull. So, its both.
Canada, the Netherlands, China, and Spain are Cubas largest trading partners, so it does trade with China. However, you cant deny the effect of one of the worlds biggest trading nations, also their neighbour, blocking them off.
The problem is that you see this as ideology vs ideology.
You can't point to North Korea and say "See, commuism is bad". For obvious reasons. That would be like pointing to Somalia and say "See, capitalism fails".
Look at what actually causes problems, not what fits your ideology. If socialism was the problem, then why are northern europe doing much better than the US for instance?
The illegal embargo is recognized as one of its core economic problems.
Somalia is more of a lawless warlord-ocracy, rather than socialism or capitalism....
Actually, I can point to N Korea and say "communism is bad." That is precisely my point: communism has failed everywhere, including in Cuba. Since Cuba trades w/ all the countries you mentioned, why does it still need trade w/ the US? Shouldn't all this trade make Cuba wealthy? FYI: even Raul Castro is beginning to realize Cuba's economic system is broken ...
You missed my point. Calling something capitalism/communism does not make it so. N Korea has nothing to do with socialism/communism, thats why you cant use that as an example. Just as you wont accept that somalia has capitalism.
Communism is not ideal, but its far from a failure. But there is little doubt that socialism(when done right) is the best form for the majority of the people. Prime examples are scandinavia / canada / australia ect.
IMHO, it's still too early to tell if Raul Castro will make all the political and economic reforms needed to undo Fidel (and Che's) poisonous legacy, and turn Cuba to either a social-democratic or free-market economy. Only time will show, and in the meantime, you and I are just kibitzing :=)
Its well documented, even wiki got it, that the US embargo is one of the biggest economic problems for Cuba. Along with the fall of Soviet and some natural disasters.
The reason this embargo is such a big deal is that the US is probably a bigger customer than all the other mentioned COMBINED.
Thats the main problem.
But yes, another problem is its own econmic model, if it was based on socialism instead of communism
A beautiful video and song to honour a great man
cochito281970 1 week ago
Oh God I've wondered into Obama-supporter territory again. Silly leftists, civil war is coming and you're all going to die.
abcshopper 1 month ago
@abcshopper fuck your mother cunt, the revolution is gonna tear a whole in your Yankee fucks ass, and obama will be the first to die
Styliempire 1 month ago
@Styliempire You can't even get your grammar correct. What makes you think you can do the math required to snipe someone from 700 yards? Or perform proper room breach and clears? On top of that you’ve just threatened the life of the president. Do you know that the instant you posted that, algorithms picked up your words and you’re now on the federal radar? Good luck with that genius.
abcshopper 4 weeks ago
@Styliempire hahahahaha just like your capitalist media, twisting words, i never said i would kill him, i said he will be the first to die. And i dont think your feds really care what an Australian thinks. Your President will be killed by his own people for his blatant attacks on their civil liberties and his gross violations of human rights around the world.
But fuck it. If i had the capabilities I'd wipe out your whole fucking congress.
FUCK THE USA, and death to the coalition.
Styliempire 4 weeks ago
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For all you sh*t talking Che, you will never amount to anything Che has ever done, this is a very humanitarian person, his goal was to rid the world of the backward American ideologies and their materialistic and imperialistic ideals which produce a dolla $ign for anything you imagine...life itself.. Che was a legend, a person like that is born once in a century.
"I knew that when the great guiding spirit cleaves humanity into two antagonistic halves, I will be with the people.”
— Che Guevara
magnifico101 1 month ago
¡Hasta la victoria siempre!
Axayacatlish 2 months ago
love this song
HabanaLibre1959 4 months ago
hahaha the imerialist dogs will fight for their precious gold and we the workers will fight for the right of all humans to exist, not just yanks and the rich!
hasta la victoria siempre Comandante!
eleftheria i thanatos!
Styliempire 4 months ago
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Mi novia me dijo: "El comunismo es una mierda!"
Ella es solo ahora ...
My girlfriend said to me: " Communism sucks!"
She's single now...
tomacontadogajo 4 months ago 5
@tomacontadogajo Love you brother!
Sacrifice is the blood of the revolution.
hasta la victoria siempre !!!!
Styliempire 2 months ago
@tomacontadogajo She is so lucky!
TWIleaks 1 month ago
@TWIleaks fuck you state puppet, subjugated slave
Styliempire 1 month ago
@Styliempire Your answer only shows how stupid you are. I'm free to give my opinion, as you are. But I dont need to tell people F**** You to show them my poin of view. As I know, a slave is a person who has no power to give opinions. So, Im not a slave. Next time, try to think before giving a bad answer.
TWIleaks 4 weeks ago
@TWIleaks an opinion that is based on state propaganda is merely a slave repeating his master.
Any one who has a problem with communism has a problem with equality and the freedom of conscience
Styliempire 4 weeks ago
@Styliempire Whats wrong with you? Why do you think that my opinion is based on state propaganda? I have a brain.And yes, I have a problem with communism. We have Cuba , ex-Russia and North Corea (were people are starving) to show us how the communism destroyed those countries. The communism is an utopia, because there will always be an dictator on the backgrounds.
TWIleaks 4 weeks ago
@TWIleaks US trade embargo's on Cuba and North Korea are the reason people are starving in those countries. USA bully tactics on those that dont bend to their will has resulted in millions of human beings murdered in the last 65yrs of Imperialist aggression.
As for Russia, they have a more stable economy than the USA.
Dont believe state run media, USA is dying economically, which is why they are starting illegal wars in an effort to gain tradable goods.
USA= Evil Empire of Greed and Dishonour!!
Styliempire 3 weeks ago
@Styliempire Che Guevara predicted this.
Styliempire 3 weeks ago
great men, wrong direction
Username14129 5 months ago
Che Guevara was a sadistic, psychopathic brutal mass murderer--the perfect Marxist hero.
eclecticdufus 5 months ago
@eclecticdufus And you a troller this is not better
xdr22 5 months ago
@eclecticdufus can't people like you take your sadistic psychopathic brutal mass-murderer messages and shove it so far up your ass where your head is and also where your messages belong and shut the fuck up americunt
HabanaLibre1959 4 months ago
@HabanaLibre1959 your reaction proved my point idiot.
eclecticdufus 3 months ago
hail comrade
you are flowing in my heart,
you are a farmer,
you are a great leader,
you are a worker,
you are death to wrong, god to right,
you are my red love ......... from India
himenbaidya 5 months ago
"...I am a first generation Cuban, my Dad got to watch Che himself put a bullet into my Grandfathers head, because he was too slow getting Che's tea..."
Not by me. Someone else said that on the internet. Do you think it could be true?
Behemoth2334 5 months ago
@Behemoth2334 Most likely. Totalitarian sadistic butchers are known to do that kind of thing.
eclecticdufus 5 months ago
@Behemoth2334
Take note that there are some who constantly spam the page with hate messages. As for your question, ab-fuckin-surd. I would've believed it for a second if cohiba esplendidos were the case, instead of tea.
He killed a lot of people but it's not on record that he killed people for such insignificant reasons. And I'm not gonna take some guy's word over dozens of documents, most condemning Che...
ScarletSnake 4 months ago
you keep saying the innocent...which innocent?
Bigsui31 6 months ago
You are all sick and no different from a nazi.
cpr10 6 months ago
@cpr10 when everyone is sick...in a village and where ever,.....we all need a cure...we all can believe in!...Somewhere everyhuman BEING including me have a feeling something is wrong.....we all want to see something that makes us realise!...Soon i hope this will be a thing we all see!....Someone sayed..."Blessed are those who do not need to believe!" Something will change soon...and we THE PEOPLE will all see it!
NeoDyne112 6 months ago
@cpr10
Blessed are tje people that belive without seeing!
NeoDyne112 6 months ago
@cpr10 GODWIN ! :'D /check
xdr22 5 months ago
@cpr10 GODWIN ! :'D /check
xdr22 5 months ago
για παντα και μεχρι τη νικη!
comandantejunior1 6 months ago
"Why does the guerrilla fighter fight? We must come to the inevitable conclusion that the guerrilla fighter is a social reformer, that he takes up arms responding to the angry protest of the people against their oppressors, and that he fights in order to change the social system that keeps all his unarmed brothers in ignominy and misery."
— Che Guevara
4Barbudos 7 months ago
"This epic before us is going to be written by the hungry Indian masses, the peasants without land, the exploited workers. An epic that will be carried forward by our peoples, mistreated and scorned by imperialism; our people, unreckoned with until today, who are now beginning to shake off their slumber. Imperialism considered us a weak and submissive flock; and now it begins to be terrified of that flock; in whom Yankee monopoly capitalism now sees its gravediggers.”
— Che Guevara
4Barbudos 7 months ago
i love the lyrics of this song..a great tribute to a hero's hero!
VIVA CHE!! the most complete human being that ever walked the earth..
LankanChE 7 months ago
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Allí, en Cuba, desde que naces, todo es una broma revolucionaria: sacrificio, sacrificio y más sacrificio... Después te encarcelan, torturan o te quitan tus libertades personales y espirituales y te hacen pasar tremenda hambre con la libreta de racionamiento alimentario en nombre de esa revolución de Castro y todo parece una pesadilla Dantesca con el mejor estilo macabro de Maquiavelo. Lo siento por los cubanos, que sin poder huir de esa Isla, yacen en tremendo campo de exterminio "PASIVO".
resfalgio 8 months ago
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CHE CARA DE MONO!!!
Miren y aprendan como La Traición que rodeaba al Idiota También lo desaparece en "Quien Mato al Che"
Gracias Fidel le hiciste un favor a la Humanidad solo Faltas TU Asesino.
"Che Guevara Anatomía de un Mito" Completa Historia Narrada por sus ex compañeros que lo denuncia hasta de Delator y Apestoso...
COMUNISMO SIMBOLO DE FRACASO MISERIA TRAICION ODIO ENVIDIA COMPLEJO ROBO TERROR Y MUERTE.
cheasesino1 8 months ago
A tribute to a sick SOB. He killed people for the fun of it. Even Castro knew this and sent him off to be killed. He told his men to fight to the end. He got lost, he surrendered with bullets in his gun. He was shot and left to rot in the jungle. He is no hero to the oppressed. You idiots that worship him, he would have just as soon killed you as looked at you.
1980PintoMan 9 months ago 2
@1980PintoMan Che Guevara was a great revolutionary fighting a war killing people was something that had to be done.
wishshewoulddome 9 months ago
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Che Guevara is revered as a hero nowadays. All of us have seen those people sporting the Che shirts and other ridiculous Che paraphernalia. But this man, Che Guevara, is not some rebel who fought for equality and rights for the poor. He is not someone that anyone in their right mind should idolize. Che Guevara was a murderer, simple as that. He had countless thousands of Cubans executed. And yet, in a cruel twist of fate, somehow this criminal is remembered in such a good light.
andrerockmedal 10 months ago
VIVA CHE!
His legacy lives on with the majority of the worlds oppressed as a Hero, whether you rich Westerners like it or not.
Bigsui31 10 months ago
@Bigsui31 Funny, he would have killed you for the fun of it.
1980PintoMan 9 months ago
@1980PintoMan Haha. There is no indication of that. He never killed for fun. He did kill Batistas henchmen and torturers, which he is justified in doing so.
Bigsui31 9 months ago
@Bigsui31 i would have done the same fucking thing
edupeixe 8 months ago
@Bigsui31
Is that right? what about all the innocent people he slaughtered? and what about the labour camps for homosexuals ? of course that's just propaganda isn't it?
cpr10 6 months ago 2
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CHE HUEVERO sucks my dick and was a closet homosexual with Fidel's Castro brother RAul. Che go and suck dicks in hell Argentinian piece of shit
gerry14miami 11 months ago
Did Che kill people? Yes he did. Were they innocent? Maybe, maybe not.
Did the US Government kill Native Americans? Yes! Were they innocent? Yes!
Because of that fact, I don't think americans have a right to ever point the finger at another world leader.
MrJtr1888 11 months ago
Trust John Lee Anderson over that raving lunatic Humberto Fontova, who is upset because a member of his criminal family was rightly executed by Castros freedom fighters. :)
MrReco12 1 year ago
Che was a Murdering Bastard-- The CIA did a GREAT SERVICE Exterminating this Rat
nancyyt1a 1 year ago
@nancyyt1a
Who did he murder?
Batsita's cowardly thugs and rapists! He freed his country from the facist yoke!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 Exactly Che Guvara did not murder any policts ...... He just gave the pepole medical health and was hiden in the forrest so nowan could find him. Unlike any other revoluationary this one is the most brave man that ever lived.
Lilycha100 1 year ago
@nancyyt1a the U.S govement did such a great service? And then went on to fund the Taliban as an anti communist cell. The U.S goverment also funded Pol Pot, and bombed rice fields in 'Nam and Cambodia killing 100,000 civilians. Then decades later the U.S would spear head a military campaign into the east, using the guile of anti terrorism, solely to plunder millions of dollars in natural recourses. Yes, well done America, the land of hypocrisy.
KurtCobain198666 1 year ago
Respect for Che, a rebel with a cause.
Brenda2OOO 1 year ago
at the end of the day he will be remembered for ever.... wherever he was a hero or terrorist or just a psychopath killer or ...... etc ..............
and all of u hater or lover are going to be forgotten
stop that and go do something with ur life
peace
Verification11 1 year ago 20
@Verification11 true that
mykhbh 1 year ago
@Verification11
Yeah he will be remembered
Just as hitler will remembered for long time :P
As a Psychopath.
Not as a hero
dudefrombelgium 1 year ago
@Verification11 Che Guevara wouldve kicked your ass for this glorification. He was the impersonation of his conditions. These conditions keep growing on the workers and finally other men will impersonate their times and finish the work of the Che (or will fail).Anyways, praising him and hating on "forgotten" people is exactly what Che was fighting. Workers of all countries unite and rise. Sorry for my bad english
20sept2008 1 year ago
@20sept2008 your English is way better than me and most native speakers .. although i'm not a native speaker
anyway thanks for this info .. i didn't read much about che only saw a documentary and read about him on wiki
and somehow i like his style heheheh i know very shallow
anyway i hope u all the best
Verification11 1 year ago
@Verification11 if you do not only like his style but also are interested in his political analysis, I recommend reading Marx. If you have any questions concerning what to read or something, you can of course ask me. I wish you all the best.
20sept2008 1 year ago
@Verification11 You make an easy comment by just sitting on the fence. Che was a hero and we should follow in his footsteps! Viva la revolution!
wesleysonic 7 months ago 2
1:47 moment before his assassination.
Verification11 1 year ago
Great Personality he was,
After many centuries the man are born like him.
RED SALUTE
GREETING FROM
BALOCHISTAN
Haseebbaloch786 1 year ago
Che's haters love to speak of some "Che cult." Fact is, Che has no more cult than does Washington or Bolivar. He's on t-shirts because he lived - and died - for an idea. He literally put his life on the line for those less fortunate that he was. It was also a great pic.
No, to call Che's admirers a cult is silly. His detractors are vastly more obsessed with discrediting the man than anyone is with vindicating him - as if he needed it. Best thing to do is let them rant in their echo chamber.
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago
@IPlayWithFire135 Actually most Che lovers are mindless morons
prrolg 1 year ago
@IPlayWithFire135
You know Hitler also died for an idea. Although I can't fault the next sentence.
WSWarthog 1 year ago
@WSWarthog
So Hitler comparisons are the new tactic of the hate cult? From which recycled annual attack book did you get that?
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago
@IPlayWithFire135
Hitler's very versatile for making comparisons. All I'm saying as that to die for an idea isn't necessarily as great as it might sound at first.
WSWarthog 1 year ago
@WSWarthog
Ok, I understand what you're saying. Sorry if I was abrasive there.
IPlayWithFire135 1 year ago
Sad how a mass murderer can have history twisted over time to become a hero to unhappy young people. I have observed now, over many years that lies always find an audience among young 'seekers' of 'the truth', Established FACTS are ignored & dismissed by them, as they think those people who wrote the history are evil & aren't telling the truth, to 'Keep Control'. Misguided folks feel energized by being against any information they don't want to believe, because it comes from 'The Establishment"
AmiableAndy 1 year ago
@AmiableAndy The fact of the matter is that Che Guevara was a communist who believed that the means are always justified by the ends. He luxuriated in violence against human beings. He was indeed a mass murderer and a terrorist who found great delight in being judge, jury and executioner. He also loved to physically torture people to a slow excruciating death; it made him feel like God. Pity the young fools who think black is white and good is bad. Wake up and get real, young folks!
AmiableAndy 1 year ago
the good, creativ, intelligent people are not looking after money and power,,they want to make the world better,,capitalism and rich people self justify only.
behrouzirani1986 1 year ago
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." Winston Churchill
wilatemodel 1 year ago
If Che had his way there would be no internet. A Capitalistic product. So all you Che "supporters" get off the internet or stop supporting him. It's hypocrisy
loserman243 1 year ago
@loserman243 Exactly! These guys in my film class had his image in their "film." Did they realize that they would be dictated to as to precisely what films they were allowed to make, if any at all, after all, they might be more useful in the factory. The central planners know best......and it's all for the greater good.
Che would have dictated what was art, what was music, what was original, what was important.........
These slaves.
11KmPerSec 1 year ago
@11KmPerSec I agree completely
loserman243 1 year ago
@loserman243 In case you have forgotten, the internet can be a great revolutionary tool. And besides, the internet was first conceived of in the 60's.
HoLOLcaust 1 year ago
@HoLOLcaust Thus proving communist hypocrisy using capitalism to further their support
loserman243 1 year ago
@loserman243 The internet is a global system of connected computer networks. It's not a "capitalistic product", whatever that means.
@11KmPerSec All nations are a house of cards. The US, shining example of capitalism that it is, has also collapsed. It just hasn't crashed yet because they keep borrowing trillion after trillion to prop up the failed system. All these collapses are less the result of any particular economic system, and more a result of international banking practices.
onebigeye 1 year ago
@onebigeye So you believe that if someone works hard, goes to college, and lives on his/her own self-sufficiently doesn't deserve to make more than the asshole who leaches off the government?
loserman243 1 year ago
@loserman243 I don't know how you got that out of what I wrote, as I didn't imply anything like that, but I think what you said there is true. Of course, it seems that everyone except the working man is leeching off the government these days, including banks and companies like GM.
Like it or not, the US is splitting into two systems, socialism for the leechers (welfare / bailouts) and good ol' hard work and paying taxes for the hard working people who want to be self sufficient.
onebigeye 1 year ago
@onebigeye I agree with you. My reference was to the enduring myth that somehow European welfare societies are better off than the US (which is also becoming a welfare society whether you own a billion dollar car company or the only thing you own is bad drug habit.
11KmPerSec 1 year ago
Many, MANY Thanks!
solidaritet2010 1 year ago
Two thumbs waaaayyy down! What a terrible little tune. Why not post it right next to a love song for Adolf and maybe throw in a little praise for Polpot to round things out! Detestable!
TheRiverRat00 1 year ago 2
@TheRiverRat00
You ignorant fool. Ask the people of Cuba what they think, they should have a pretty informed opinion on the matter. Of course he killed people, it was war. He waged war against fascist US puppets.
Hitler & Pol Pot is exactly the kind of people he would rally against.
Calling Che a mass murderer is like calling the allied soldiers under WW2 mass murderers. He did what had to be done to free a people.
Try to read a book.
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 year ago
@TheRiverRat00 Except Che was a good guy, not some painter who just so happened to like being a dictator.
HoLOLcaust 1 year ago
@HoLOLcaust Che killed thousands for what..... COMMUNISM witch failed after 70 years witch is horrible for the people
gun993 1 year ago
Tenía una de las dos manos de este hijo de puta y se la comió mi perro. Sorry
ositamisha 1 year ago
Che murdered hundreds of people, and killed many many more. He was a mass murderer, why some people praise him baffles me.
agent4844 1 year ago 2
@agent4844
oh come on, do you think the people who executed Eichmann were also Murderers? Che executed facists.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
One of the people executed under Che's orders was Rigoberto Hernandez. What was his "crime?" How was he a "thug and rapist," or "fascist?" Please explain.
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Don't believe Humberto Fontova's revisionist lies. He is a supporter of Pinochet and Franco and a self righteous windbag. I doubt this " Rigoberto Hernandez" even existed. Another Humberto Fontova lie.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Ad hominem attacks against Fontova aren't the issue here. Your callous dismissal of Rigoberto Hernandez's plight is duly noted. After all, extremists (of the right and the left) defend their sides' atrocities by: 1) claiming that the atrocities never happened, and 2) claiming that the victims somehow "had it coming."
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Give me an image of mr Rigoberto Hernandez than i will reconsider my view. I dont care about Fontova's tearful rantings.
His criminal family was kicked out of Cuba and he has never gotten over it.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Again, ad-hominem attacks against Fontova are unimportant, since he's not the only one who has researched Fidel's (and Che's) crimes.
I'm not surprised that a Che hagiographer would seek to justify the cruel execution of a 17-years-old mentally ill high school janitor. You're one of the many who've tried. Like other Che groupies, you inadvertently proved the wisdom of the old Talmudic adage: "those who are merciful toward the cruel will become cruel toward the merciful."
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
I doubt that action happened.
Humberto Fontova is known for writing half truths and lies.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Of course you doubt it... Thank you for proving my earlier point of how political extremists of both the left and the right use the same style of arguments to wish away the crimes committed by their side.
And, again, Fontova is not the only guy on the face of this planet who has catalogued Fidel's (and Che's) crimes. I bet that if Fontova were to say "the sky is blue," you'd say "no." LOL
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
have yet to find a single credible source pointing to a case where Che executed "an innocent". Those persons executed by Guevara or on his orders were condemned for the usual crimes punishable by death at times of war or in its aftermath: desertion, treason or crimes such as rape, torture or murder. * Jon Lee Anderson, author of Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life (1997),
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Like most gullible Western researchers, Anderson accepted the "verdicts" handed down by Fidel's "revolutionary courts" at face value. Cuban dissidents like Armando Valladares pointed out that during his "trial," the judges smoked cigars and read comic books, knowing that the "sentences" had been approved in advance. Che himself dismissed the concept of actually providing evidence of the accused's alleged guilt. Moreover, Che began his killing career while still "in the bush.":=)
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Nonsense. Cuban dissidents would say that because they want to smear the man who defeated them.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 - actually the fact that Che dismissed the concept of actually providing evidence of the accused's alleged guilt is known not from dissidents. It is known from the texts he himself wrote. This was not his original idea, he took it from Lenin, nevertheless he did not even pretend that he was attached to the idea of a fair trial.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@MrReco12 - If something is inconvenient for you, you call it lie.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@MrReco12 - Eichmann was put on trial and execiuted. Che executed without a trial. Finally he was also executed without a trial, which was worse than a murder, it was a mistake, because it made him a "martyr".
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@OlenkaWagner
What you fail to realise, Che's execution of criminals were applauded by most of the Cuban population. Indeed, when Castro asked a crowd of over 1 million if he should continue to execute right wing terrorists and their sympathizers. THe cry was SI TO THE WALL!!!!!!
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12 - But this is the idea of lynch. The trials were invented long time ago, because the desire of the crowd is not justice. The guilt has to be proved. The crowd might dislike someone, but that does not make him criminal. It is a bit like in science. We do not ask the crowd whether this or that is true. We do research on it and decide based on the results.
OlenkaWagner 1 year ago
@MrReco12
Wow... the commie government- sanctioned mob spoke english?
BTW, Valladares was a journalist, not a man "defeated" by Che. After all, Che never defeated anyone, was notso-hotso at fighting, and only knew how to shoot mentally-ill teenagers in the head...
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
You know what i mean: They screamed "SI".
Happy now?
The only peson who i have seen mention that socalled "mentally disabled teenager" is the serial liar Humberto fontova who's cousin, a facist, was executed for his crimes against the people.
MrReco12 1 year ago
@MrReco12
There's far more evidence that Che shot teenagers in the head than there's proof that Che was a guerrilla warfare genius. Dude, your labeling of Che's victims as "fascists" is getting rather stale. I suggest changing your repertoire :=)
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Well, Che's "victims" were certainly not innocnet. If a child killer/rapist was executed would you call him a victim too?
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Not a very convincing argument. You have no evidence that the teenagers (especially the mentally-ill youngster I've previously mentioned) shot by Che in the back of the head were child killers/ rapists. Try again.
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
They were not teenagers but fully grown adults who worked for Batista's murderous regime. Humberto Fontova's make belief "victims" is laughable at best.
Mean while: he praises PInochet who murdered a 13 yr old boy: By god,unlike Che's "victims" we actually have proof that he exists!
CARLOS PATRICIO FARIÑA OYARCE
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
It's a familiar tactic of Che idol-worshippers to try to excuse his crimes by invoking Pinochet's repression in Chile (which occurred more than a decade later). Che's victims "fully grown adults who worked for Batista's murderous regime?" The executed youngster I mentioned previously was a high school janitor. You bought into the Che myth way too readily. May I suggest trying a more original tactic? :=)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Care to show me his image or any proof that this "high school janitor existed". if you google the name i gave you you can find his image and usally the brutal way he was killed by pinochets thugs. Yet, when i google your disabled teenager: I get a revisionist Humberto Fontova rant.(a blatant liar)
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12 No one is denying the existance of the Chilean you mentioned. With the advent of democracy in many Latin American countries (Chile, Brazil, etc), the archives of their former military regimes have been available, moreover, survivors and perpetrators of such regimes have given interviews to researchers. In Cuba, such opening has not taken place. Fontova's research (with his interviewing of eyewitnesses) must have really gotten under your skin. Try again, amigo :=)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Not really, indeed i find it laughable that he uses escaped Batsita's goons testimony to back his claims. He does whilie supporting Pinochet,Fracno etc.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Actually, none of the sources he has interviewed was one of "escaped Batista's goons [sic]." Moreover, other witnesses to Fidel's and Che's brutality have testified independently of Fontova's work. In order to bolster your argument, you need to name some names, otherwise, you're just regurgitating the decades-old talking points of the Cuban commie regime. Not a very original practice, by the way.:=)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Rubbish, the only people Fontova bothered to interview was Batisa's cronies, murderers of 20 000 innocent people. Of course his sadistic and terrorist father was part of the mass killing and thats why he belevies Batsitas torturers are a group of choir boys when in fact they were violent thugs who got what they deserved.
He hates Castro and Che because members of his criminal family were shot for collaborating with Batista's regime.
And rightly so :)
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Eyewitnesses to Che's crimes were "Batista's cronies, murderers of 20 00 innocent peole?" You have an interesting sense of humor.
"Castro remains undefeated?" Not exactly: he remains the increasingly senile leader of an empoverished island (among the poorest in the Americas), whose policies are defended by some rather gullible Westerners. Some of them have trolled with pro-Che messages on this very channel :=)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the united states!(one of the highest in Latin America) dispite the US embargo :)
Cuban exilies have failed. And i find that delightful!
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
"Cuban exiles have failed?" You must have never been to southern Florida. Cuban "exiles' there have achieved prominent positions in business, arts, government, and other areas of endeavor (no surprise, since Cubans have traditionally been good entrepreneurs).
"Cuba has a higher life expectancy than the united states?" LMAO
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Its true, Sad isnti it?
A country which they have economically blockaded for 50 years has a higher life expectancy than their own nation. Laughably sad!
:)
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Laughably sad that the Che death-cult devotees recycle the same discredited talking points. :)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
And to add more: IF Che hadnt executed those thugs, it would have a distasteful unsult to the 20 000 people who were murdered by Batisitas dictatorship.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
It would have been an INSULT to Bataista's victims if Che had not done what he had to do.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Yeah, right, like getting killed in Bolivia. Che was so greasy, he used bacon as a bandage. :)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
No, it would have been an outrage if he had NOT executed the scum.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
Oh, yes... those howling ghosts clamoring for the execution of mentally-ill teenage boys....
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Again, you try to bolster your weak argument by mentioning fictional characters.
Pathetic!
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
I appreciate your masquerading as a Che cultist, in order to expose the absurdity of their arguments, and their willingness to believe in every piece of fiction regarding their "hero." Great job, my friend.
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
SO now you are simply resorting to abuse.
You must be a Cuban exile!
MrReco12 11 months ago
@MrReco12
LOL. I'm not, but I appreciate your attempt, anyway. ;)
KonradAdenauerJr 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
If you believe the conservative press, you'd think Castro and his evil henchmen, whilst stroking their beards and sinisterly twirling their mustaches, had "young boys" and "innocent" rightist politicians shot just for the Heck of it!
Of course the real story is quite different from that. What our right wing friends choose to forget is the 20 000 murdered by Batista's regime, a govt that JFK admitted was the worst in south America.
MrReco12 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
You have to laugh at Cuban exiles like Humberto fontova, although their moaning and whining,because Che and Castro gave them a taste of their own medicine, does get irritating at times.
Whats better, Castro Remains undefeated!
What the Cuban exiles hate most :)
MrReco12 11 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
watch?v=Gz4M-zs3XL0&NR=1
MrReco12 11 months ago
Che is our topic at school at the moment.
and we're going essays on him...so i've been looking into him for the past couple of days.
why do i get the feeling che isn't the icon and hero he is made out to be?
he used fear and propaganda to gain power.
he killed innocent people..he had concentration camps that were full of just poor farmers.
what did he do for Cuba?
nothing.
a friend of mine is cuban...and his family got murdered under che's orders.
you people shouldn't be so gullible
Cla900 1 year ago
@Cla900 You belive in the lies of the USA? Think, and not believe all the stupid things!
Fritz540 1 year ago
@Fritz540 no some of the information was from a friend of the family who is cuban.
his whole family is cuban and they lived through the revolution.
Cla900 1 year ago
@Cla900 Your cuban friends family must of been supporters of bastista the only people who were kill were people who supporters of bastista, and trust me Fulgenico Batista was much worst
themarvster92 1 year ago
@themarvster92
Castro attempted to depose Batista until he was successful. and not for the right reasons...
they certainly were not supporters of batista.
Che has done nothing for Cuba.
he threatened his people with fear and pain.
he cuban government propaganda want you to think che is a hero..the us government don't.
none of you can say you love che or not (not even me) unless you lived through the experience.
we are clueless in the subject.
Cla900 1 year ago 3
@Cla900 No i was born in cuba i left when i was 3yrs old my grandfather fought with castro and was a cuba guerrilla. cuba was worst under batista. cuba was exploit by
mobs and foreign companys who ran prostitution ring, and owned land in cuba and exploit farm workers. Only wealthy people had access to education and health care. you should watchthis movie called CHE with benicio del toro it explains alot of why
cuba had a revolution
themarvster92 1 year ago
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Cla900 1 year ago
@Cla900 and you are not clueless u can read a book and do some research on the subject.
themarvster92 1 year ago
@themarvster92
and how do i know it isn't pure bullshit?
i'll only believe the people who lived through the revolution.
they're the only people you can trust.
Cla900 1 year ago
@Cla900 And whats to say what you read in your textbook isn't bullshit, as a child che and castro were folk heros to us (even tho che was not cuban). they stood up and took a stand for the every day cuban. but living in america you get to see other peoples opinion on che, and i can respect there opinion but to me and my family che and castro are hero.
themarvster92 1 year ago
@themarvster92 well regardless, thanks for your opinion.
and i don't read my information on che from a textbook. i read on the internet. and i hear good and bad things about che.
i don't know what's true or false.
but since my friend lived through the revolution and knows his stuff..im more likely to believe him
but ....you say che is a hero.
i just don't believe everything that i read.
i'm not gullible.
i'm not saying im right or wrong.
but again, thank you.
Cla900 1 year ago 5
@Cla900 i agree che means different things to different people u should watch that movie tho lol
themarvster92 1 year ago
@themarvster92 i will thank you :)
Cla900 1 year ago
@Cla900
What themarvster92 ignores about Fidel's Cuba:
-Batista never executed 10 000 Cubans (Fidel and Che did).
-Today, Cuba is the second poorest country in the Western Hemisphere (it was among the wealthiest before Fidel).
-Before Fidel and Che, Cuba was a net immigration country (Fidel's parents were Spanish immigrants). Today, Cubans use a variety of flotation devices to reach the USA...
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
thank you!
Cla900 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
If Cuba is poor now it's the Americans fault, they're the one imposing the embargo on Cuba... which is harmless nowadays.
Their economy was strong because the country was like america, a banana republic where companies had all the power. Cubans live longer then Americans, they have better healthcare and medicare then americans, they are the best in the world on third world aid.
Democracy and Freedom are not values you can force on people.
atosafi1 1 year ago
@atosafi1
You say the US embargo is responsible for Cuba's present poverty, yet you then say the embargo is harmless... You're contradicting yourself.
Cuba's present povery is due to the mismanagement inherent in communist ideology. After all, since 1959, Fidel had lots of Soviet "fraternal socialist assistance," while nowadays, Cuba trades with the European Union. And yet, despite all this aid, Cuba is the second poorest country in this hemisphere...
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr No, I ment Cuba is harmless nowadays.
And even though they may be the "poorest" country in this hemisphere(source please), they live longer, have better healthcare and overall have it better then your average american... sure they may not live in luxury but they live a simple, good life.
atosafi1 1 year ago
@atosafi1
"They [Cubans] live longer, have better healthcare and overall have it better then your average american." This claim is based exclusively on the statistics provided to the UN by the Cuban government (not quite a reliable source). If Cubans live such great lives, why do so many of them keep flleing the island on rickety improvised rafts?
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
Because in America, they have a chance of getting RICH.
That's why americans stay in their crap country, that's why they allow capitalism on their land. Because they all think they will have a chance of becoming rich themselves, and aslong as the top 1% of America keeps people afraid and keeps up the illusion of anyone being able to become rich, people will put up with it.
1% of the world's population own 80% of everything, while the rest of us are shackled with debt.
atosafi1 1 year ago
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@atosafi1
A most fascianting, and fact-free, anti-American rant, my friend.
On one hand, you claim that Cubans "live a simple, good life," on the other hand, you reproach them for striving for "a chance of getting RICH." You must acknowledge that Che's and Fidel's revolution had robbed the Cubans of prosperity...
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
What "atosafi1" said. But also keep in mind the troubles of Cuba is to a large degree the works of the US. Insisting on a meaningless embargo just out of pure evil. Socialism you said? Not that that is a good reason to embargo someone, but if that is the reason, then why are all your shit made in China?(aka communism) Shouldn't you also embargo China?
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 year ago
@TheSaltyAdmiral
You contradict yourself: you say that " the troubles of Cuba is to a large degree the works of the US," then you call the US embargo "meaningless." Which is it?
Moreover, if "all [our] shit [is] made in China," then why doesn't Cuba just trade w/ China directly? :=) My earlier point is simple: Fidel's regime has enjoyed decades of Soviet support, and many years of trading with the EU countries, yet communism has failed to deliver prosperity to Cuba.
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
1/2
Its not a contradiction. Its meaningless in the way that it does not help anyone / protect the US. Whatever meaning it had disappeared when the cold war ended. But that does not mean it is not harmfull. So, its both.
Canada, the Netherlands, China, and Spain are Cubas largest trading partners, so it does trade with China. However, you cant deny the effect of one of the worlds biggest trading nations, also their neighbour, blocking them off.
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
2/2
The problem is that you see this as ideology vs ideology.
You can't point to North Korea and say "See, commuism is bad". For obvious reasons. That would be like pointing to Somalia and say "See, capitalism fails".
Look at what actually causes problems, not what fits your ideology. If socialism was the problem, then why are northern europe doing much better than the US for instance?
The illegal embargo is recognized as one of its core economic problems.
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 year ago
@TheSaltyAdmiral
Somalia is more of a lawless warlord-ocracy, rather than socialism or capitalism....
Actually, I can point to N Korea and say "communism is bad." That is precisely my point: communism has failed everywhere, including in Cuba. Since Cuba trades w/ all the countries you mentioned, why does it still need trade w/ the US? Shouldn't all this trade make Cuba wealthy? FYI: even Raul Castro is beginning to realize Cuba's economic system is broken ...
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
1/2
You missed my point. Calling something capitalism/communism does not make it so. N Korea has nothing to do with socialism/communism, thats why you cant use that as an example. Just as you wont accept that somalia has capitalism.
Communism is not ideal, but its far from a failure. But there is little doubt that socialism(when done right) is the best form for the majority of the people. Prime examples are scandinavia / canada / australia ect.
TheSaltyAdmiral 1 year ago
@TheSaltyAdmiral
Communism is a failure, indeed.
IMHO, it's still too early to tell if Raul Castro will make all the political and economic reforms needed to undo Fidel (and Che's) poisonous legacy, and turn Cuba to either a social-democratic or free-market economy. Only time will show, and in the meantime, you and I are just kibitzing :=)
KonradAdenauerJr 1 year ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
2/2
Its well documented, even wiki got it, that the US embargo is one of the biggest economic problems for Cuba. Along with the fall of Soviet and some natural disasters.
The reason this embargo is such a big deal is that the US is probably a bigger customer than all the other mentioned COMBINED.
Thats the main problem.
But yes, another problem is its own econmic model, if it was based on socialism instead of communism