Re: Alex Jones vs Peter Joseph, Zeitgeist Addendum

[agustinbs]

Everything has value, and the monetary system is not the only way to evaluate it, in fact this system most of the time the allows wrong unfair values to the things

[JaCorBoar]

Gold would just be traded or shared for its conductive properties for example - its used in Space Shuttle electronics for example... so yeah...

[BukiBasha]

thanks for this video....Alex shouldnt be on the air he scares people by screaming and acting like an animal...Ithink he owes Peter an appology and he should stop doing this if he is not open minded and take other peoples perspective.

[HydrogenMind]

my 2cents we need to consider the biblical model for civilization. peter talks about a society where ppl do not do "bad things" and he want to create a society that eliminates the need for competition. if we would just live the biblical standard then ppl would not steal kill take another mans wife and on and on, in essence we would create a society where there is no poverty cause every man looks out for the good of his fellow human being. im not talking about organized religion, justthebblclmdl

[freddiedread]

It appears you would all like to live like lab rats controlled by an International Non-Elected Scientific Dictatorship?

It all sounds rosy my friends with this cashless society and a free energy system and a REDUCED POPULATION...sharing and caring and living as one (like ants effectively)...

But I think you are walking into a stinking trap of elite controlled genocide..

but remember

[SonOfMrGreengenes]

I used to respect Alex Jones. First and foremost he demonstated to me his inability to think outside of his indoctrination and brainwashing. His lack of maturity is also disappointing.

[binslick]

I Was astonished at the lack of Mannerism and Ethics on The Part Of Alex Jones when he had Peter Joseph as a guest on his Show.Alex acted like a Complete Irrational Idiotic fool.there was absolutely NO Excuse for Alex;s Behavior.I Still listen To Alex but am not the devoted listener I use to be.

[binslick]

Maybe Alex Will one day Apologize to Peter just like he Apologized to David Icke for Acting Like a total irrational idiot..I would Accept That Kind of behavior from someone like Bill O'reilly but not from Alex.He made Himself look like a fool as far as am concern!!

[thelion2430]

and about this video i hear that this man says that one problem with peters system is...and makes an example by gold and silver...i think you dont understand the now system...tell me why you need value for gold ore silver...this are rare metals why you need them in a sytem where goods are available for anybody so that you dont need to buy something??? and you dont need to sell ...i mean ... even if there are some problems this wuld be very small problems vs todays problems

[thelion2430]

i have a friend that uses this technique...to him it doesnt matter how ridiculous, illogical ore fantasy his point and explanations are...and i think with you we have a same behavior GameSheriff

[thelion2430]

i read what you are saying GameSheriff ...and i think you are realy ...realy realy and again realy...close minded about TVP idea ...for example you say things like `` Money is not the problem `` i dont know man...i think you just see that many people like the zeitgeist and you just take specially conversely side like a child...ooo many like this... I Dont Like It ...almost ...you just try to find explaisons that support TVP is not good. no matter what you use to make your points

[cecilcooperrocks]

continued...

GameSheriff, I think you are an intelligent person and I respect you, but you appear to be very closed minded by your statements here. Maybe you aren't and I hope not.

You seem to just look for points to attack in material associated to ZM, without listening to the information with an open mind. We all do it, and that's fine; but if you're going to argue against something, try to understand it first my friend.

J.Krishnamurti once said that listening is the greatest miracle!

-Peace

[cecilcooperrocks]

continued..

If we all respected all creatures in nature, nobody would engage in sexual crimes. Why would you?

The vast majority of the anger in our world comes from the constant comparing of one another or competition. For an adult to actually get angry at another for their success is truly disturbing! Think about that for a minute.

I was very competitive when I was young because that's what I was taught. I have worked on limiting that kind of thinking and I feel much brighter and happier now!

[GameSheriff]

Competion is what makes us so succesful, do you really think corporations would constantly be putting out more and better quality products if they didnt have to worry about other corps doing it, and taking their profits?

Competition generates better results and higher quality.

[cecilcooperrocks]

Competition:

Within your statement lies the problem. Corps engage in the activity to maximize profits. Their actions are only self serving. They do so, to make lots of money right? But, if you isolate a bill that's worth $100 and detach it from our current society, it's worthless.

Does currency hold any value in Haiti right now? No- Food and water do.

If you were on a plane that crashed on an island, would currency be worth anything? No.

So, the value we assign to it is empty & worthless.

-Peace

[GameSheriff]

Indeed, their purpose is self-servicing, but it doesn't matter, the fact is, whether they intend or not, they service society in the process. Because that's the corps' job, servicing society, if they don't serve society, they're useless and they go under. And again, if it wasn't for the fear of somebody else doing it and reaping their profits, why would corps even try to invent new things? Why do you think the private sector is superiro to the public one in every way, BECAUSE IT COMPETES.

[GameSheriff]

Now, as for the whole money issue; I've been over this before, all money is is a creation by Men to facilitate trade, there's nothing wrong with this, in and of itself. Money is not the problem, peoples' love for wealth (which in our society is represented by money, in yours is by resources) is.

[cecilcooperrocks]

continued..

But what is truly frightening to me is that you are arguing ZM with reference to sexual crimes. Yet, your brain came up with an idea of shooting your neighbor in the face and raping a child! Why would you ever even think such a violent and disgusting thought my friend?

To answer you,nothing is stopping you now from acting on those thoughts except for the possibility of prison time.

ZM promotes human values and symbiosis. A dynamic world where all creatures in nature are connected.

[cecilcooperrocks]

continued..

With Peter Joseph, the ability for a human to actually say I don't know is one his important beliefs. With Jacque, I have heard him say several times that he doesn't know.

As far as sexual crimes, a change in our mentality or re-education if you prefer, will change the frequency of sex crimes, not abundance.

What they're offering is a system based on humans, not money. It is not perfect and no system will ever be. Like I said, both Jacque and Peter have said so more than once.

[GameSheriff]

It doesn't work that way, no one is "raised" to be a rapist or a pedophile, they became so, sometimes by choice, others due to past events in their life, others because they're genetically conditioned to it; having some shmuck coming up to them and saying "Don't do this, this is wrong!" isn't gonna change anything. Of course, if like Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph, by education, you mean brainwashing... that's a little different.

[GameSheriff]

This ideology and these Movements that state that all human behaviour is dictated by education and enviroment, and that we could solve all our problems, if we just "reeducated" our population are very dangerous indeed!

This is a pitiful attempt at social engineering, it's what the Soviets did, and it's doomed to fail... but in the process will cause much death and misery.

[cecilcooperrocks]

Hey GameSheriff,

1) You mentioned "these movements". What other movements are comparable to Zeitgeist Movement?

2) You mentioned "solve all our problems". Jacque Fresco & Peter Joseph specifically mention that their system and no system ever will solve every problem. It is indeed impossible and there will never be a utopia. Your interpretation of ZM is a utopia; but the creators have never claimed that and never will.

Not enough room to type. Please send me a message if you'd like to chat.

Peace

[GameSheriff]

1) Any movement that advocates reeducation and reconditioning, and social engineering in any form.

2) I've never heard Jacque Fresco say he doesn't know the solution and his answer to every problem seems to invariably be one of these: either because the people in his society are what he considers educated it won't happen, or because there's abudancy, whatever that means it won't happen. I want you to think carefully about this; this is the man that says that abundancy will solve sex crimes.

[cecilcooperrocks]

Game,

I asked you to name other movements and you answered with zero which strips your claim of credibility.

Your statements speak volumes about narrow mindedness. I'm guessing you are either very young and just are afraid of change. Step back and read your last reply to 1). lol You just ruled out every organized group of people that want to change the mindsets of humans. That is the definition of a closed mind.

Jacque and Peter have both said, "I don't know" as answers to questions.

[GameSheriff]

Exactly, that's exactly what I meant: I oppose any movement, I oppose anyone who tries to change the Human mindset: because the only thing that can change the Human mindset is evolution, natural evolution; it can't be changed artifically, through what theym call "education", which is really manipulation and brainwashing, social engineery is a pitiful attempt by ruling powers to make people compatible with a system they wouldn't naturally be. And it always, invariably ends in misery and death.

[GameSheriff]

Well, I'm not gonna say PJ is Illuminati, because that's ultimately irrelevant: what I KNOW he and Fresco are are communists, and that's what concerns me.

[BourneArgonaut]

Thank you for your sober vid, here, young man!

[cecilcooperrocks]

Elegant,

To address your concern of government in Peter's system.....

Governments are obselete along with law enforcement. There will be no laws. Both subjects were mentioned in the films. That is kind of the whole point of Zeitgeist, meaning that we will not be hindered in ANY WAY from development and human progression. If you implement a policing system, there will eventually be corruption of that power.There is COMPLETE freedom in Peter's system and that is a radical concept to many.-Peace

[GameSheriff]

@cecilcooperrocks

Right, so I have complete freedom to break into my neighbors house, shoot him in the face and rape his 10 year old daughter up the ass right?

[cecilcooperrocks]

I like your attitude and disposition! Communicating ideas is the key to progress-I completely agree!

To address your point about trading gold-I don't believe you watched both of his movies. One of the main points of his movies is that we need to remove ALL CURRENCY. That rids us of assigning value to gold, silver, etc. There is no ownership, no property, so there is no room for trading. The word 'free' won't exist because there isn't a concept of money. You NEVER trade anything.

[kingofthebrittains]

You cant, politicians r already corrupt. ;)- Seriously, if you create a tool that doesn't really exist & force people to become slaves just to have it, & become further enslaved (interest) to keep having it -That's corrupt. Like if you made thin plastic shovels & gave them to miners to dig gold with, but they can't dig well with it, so you dock their pay but still insist they use the same crappy tool & meet your gold quota. That's making a corrupt tool/system. Money is just part of a system.

[fmdrive5]

Couldn't agree with you more, Jones behaved like a kindergarden Bully, he made a complete fool of himself and damaged his reputation! I think he should apologize.

[HyperColours]

@fmdrive5 he exposed himself, he is a sheep herder, you don't need a pan piper.

[freddiedread]

@fmdrive5 Jones's opinion may be angry but I think he's spot on..

[koobar]

A lot of the questiosn you ask are outlined in the activist's orientation guide, watch the movie of Peter presenting it, its a nice wrap-up of the ideas proposed by the Venus Project.

[antidj00]

Very well said...

[lethalvb01]

Hey excellent video. I agree with what you said about how Alex Jones acted during the so called "interview". Peter Joseph was getting angry too but he kept his cool because he knew the message was much more important instead of blowing up. I would of probably blew up and made the situation worse lol.

[McGyver0690]

The issue of "worth" is determined by the people themselves. If you had that ounce of gold, do you think its worth a table? its respective for the other person involved also. the system he proposes actually changes the concept of "worth". that table will be free in this society, so that gold may be "worth" more, as a piece of jewelery or a thing of beauty instead. the whole concept of "worth" is put in place by the monetary systm itself. think of what u would/could do if everything was free!

[Norbury040780]

A Corrupt person uses it, therefore the tool is still not corrupt but the tool's actions are, but corruption is a human concept I hear you say so who's to say whether they are corrupt or not?, too true too true I concur.

[Norbury040780]

PLEASE READ MY POSTS BOTTOM TO TOP

[Norbury040780]

The process of dreams (long term goals & aspirations), discovery, & imagination allow us create and conceptualise.

Humans to date have always been more powerful than computers. A calculator may do a mathematical sum faster than a human but what the numbers represent is a human concept, the calculator knows nothing.

All praise to human endeavour & people everywhere.

[Norbury040780]

These proposition Awe me, but I dreamt up computer governments before and found them to be theoretically to easy to corrupt.

Computers do have immense computing power, yes faster than that of humans, but humans have more creativity, in short we can imagine.

A computer cannot imagine and therefore never progress, computers can only retrospectively cross examine the current situation with pre programmed past examples.

[Norbury040780]

good comments OP, I think the idea is there is no trade. just distribution and recycling. No one can be ripped off because everything is available to everyone. Most importantly no cyclic waste, like the consumerism to landfills journey of our products that we have today.

A lot of these systems could be used today, clean energy, no wasting anything. No pollution permitted etc.

[DrennonDavis]

Well said

[ethanal420]

why on earth would anybody talk bad about peter that idae is awsome . any 1 who disagrees is supporting the prolblem if only we could work together. ill ask this question do u think i like getting up everymorning at 3 am to go to work for 10 hours thats fucked up we dont have to be wage slaves we could do it all but were all different so we wont change its sad !

[ziggazaggy]

Wthf5,

Man... i can relate to that !

[livefreeanddonttread]

basically everything would be bartertered if is not necessarily needed. im sure that everyone would abandon the the notion of "being ripped off". if i traded something for something else i wanted ... it would seem to reason that both parties profit. no doubt that greediness will take a long time to purge from our thoughts and actions, i think that the more people understand that there is not a reason for competition to get what you need, then the less people will take more than they do need.

[HayteStreet]

And in response to your question about the gold/silver value thing, if everything was in abundance why would you even need to have trade?

[Vercingetorix1313]

yes you would, those who specialize in certian resources would have to trade their labor on the resource for someone elses resource labor no yes :)?

[HayteStreet]

great video man. I like the faux news reference.

[wthf5]

I agree that the basic principles Joseph talks about are sound but unfortunately they are also paradoxical to a degree that they may be unusable. His ideas would require people to change the way that they think on a massive scale. People would have to care more about others than themselves. Becoming selfless is terribly difficult. I've tried to change the way I think for the last 15 years to become more humble and I catch the inner selfishness constantly.

[Checker222]

One thing is for sure, the answer to government is not having WWF style yelling at each other!

I agree with what you stated in your vid - well said sir!

[smokeybear69]

This guy completely gets the idea of zeitgeist which is refreshing. Fair play, good vid. I look forward to hearing this discussed in more detail, do you all have a dicussion forum etc?? I'm fairly ignorant about the whole thing but would interested in hearing what intelligent chaps like this are saying about this whole thing. See vids on J. Krishnamurti, pretty interesting.

[Pectiniculus]

Don't even watch the "libertyeternal" channel. Their capacity to discuss ideas is pathetic. You can't even leave comments.

[Pectiniculus]

Their website, called "zeitgeist revealed" promotes ideas like this:

[Pectiniculus]

"Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the Antichrist."

[twofour88]

thx for posting this ..i was gonna post the same type on response to that so-called interview.alex jones= bil oriley

[camb702]

Nice video.

To throw Alex Jones into contrast, the hoarding of resources and scaremongering he promotes is more divisive than people realise.

Instead of volunteering legitimate and meaningful long-term solutions in order to better address a problem, he merely attempts to defend his assertions against criticism by deriving it from some "general principle" that remains vulnerable to the very same criticism.

[TedHaggardsDealer]

We dont need government. If your informed and you've been living in america your whole life you would know that many get by without social security, insurance of any kind, or any aid whatsoever from the government. The federal governments' main goal is to regulate and tax the society it rules.

[chilsky1]

To be honest even you misunderstood one thing, in a resource based economy we will have equal rights to the earths resources and there will be no payment as it isn't required; basically gold will be just 'a pretty rock thats quite rare'. There will be no payment for anything and that is what will help to keep corruption out of society. If we have money or coins or whatever, someone will always want more than the rest of us and that is corrupt.

[PsychoHarry]

but what if there is a number amount of "diaments".. and there not enough share to everyone.. whats happening then !?.. also what happens to those killers.. I mean it has to be some kind of "law" right ?! or commitement or agreement or something..

[PsychoHarry]

I also really like the idea and but still think even everyone on the earth really willing to do it.. it still gonna takes 100s of years to make it work.. but I agree that at least the living supplies should be free.. //one of those who are 100% behinde Peter Joseph

[chilsky1]

Hi, I think that Alex missed the point on Zeitgeist Addendum. The thing is we need strong minded people 'like' Alex to get others to take notice but in his (over?)enthusiasm he doesn't let Peter finish any point and that is either by accident or deliberate, I dont know which.

[Rahab111222]

I don't think all this NWO, illuminati, eugenics crap even exists. It's all just a bunch of corporations with too many rights because their political puppets lobby for them to do the types of things they do. That's all.

[councilchaos]

All the solutions you are inquiring about should be done by the local level governments. Law enforcement does the work. This allows for easy alteration of the system. If a city or state doesent like the death penalty, the city or state can vote it out. Once you have a federal or world jurisdiction of punishment by the law, you sow the seeds of tyrrany. Peter Joseph's world is no different from that envisioned by the NWO, and it is a view that sould be exposed and fought.

[TedHaggardsDealer]

Law enforcement has never eradicated any form of crime, listen to jacque fresco when he says "instead of putting up a sign that says slippery when wet, put abrasive on the highway so it's not slippery when wet." Even if all the money manipulators were jailed or even executed the next guy in line would take his place and perpetuate the system. Law enforcement only fights the symptoms of the problem, it does not address the root cause of the problem.

[odin422]

FUCK ALICE BAILEY and all these UN SCUM!

THEY ARE FUNDED BY THE LUCIS TRUST....FORMERLY THE LUCIFER TRUST

DO SOME RESEARCH...........resist the UN and the NWO!!!!

Inform yourself.

[Vercingetorix1313]

My view;

The steps taken for a global renaissances of humanitarianism.

1-end paper money(fiat currency systems)

2-find or cultivate inventors that will end the fossil fuel age(Stan Myers water power,wind, wave, geothermal)ie Cheap/Renewable electric

3- End corporate technological suppression while at the same time planing for a population boom of humans.

4 Take care of our planet (only after the earlier stages at met can we be selfless enough to not become like money/power grubbing Al Gore)

[Vercingetorix1313]

5-Explore and colonize space

[MustacheVerra]

A. Jones is a fraud. He knows a lot of stuff but he's not telling everything. He said 911 was an inside? Well that's not true. 911 was a Zionist job design to put the US in a collision course with Israel's enemies like Iraq,Iran and Syria. And this was predicted many decades ago by Zionist defector Benjamin Freedman BTW.

Research the PNAC and A Clean Break(a plan to secure Israel), and see who signed these plans.

[rasonoaks]

Since we are all discussing Here is my 2 cent.

Both peter and alex are right. The solution is a cap on net worth. A person can never have more than 5 mil in net worth. That way people still have incentive to work, but cannot attain these huge sums that control the world.

[elegantprops]

thanks for posting, the thing is we already have monopoly laws, but corporations find ways around them and we still have monopolies. i don't think we can ever be fair in the system we're in... everytime THEY create a law, THEY find a way to benefit and we get screwed a little bit more... I can't believe they're censoring/filtering our internet soon here in Australia. I think I will cancel my connection, in hopes that when big companies start to lose money the law may be repealed.

[Vercingetorix1313]

no dont ever cancel out of their censorship; fight until you die, because death is certain the good you can do with your life is based on your will.

[slash4689]

@elegantprops don't forget that we're the ones that buy their products and make them all rich and powerful it's very easy to blame the major corporations and banks but they're not the root cause

[wrestler50000]

Thats EXACTLY it! We need to DISCUSS this! Yes, Peter has Ideas. We all have ideas on all sorts of topics. The difference is that Peter made a documentary about it yet many people try to discredit him because of his opinions on Jesus or 911, etc.

Peter Joseph made a great documentary and it covered some interesting aspects on stepping beyond the Monetary System. Is it perfect? Of course not, that is why we need to ALL get together and discuss. Instead, ppl still argue over Jesus - Horus, etc.

[Vercingetorix1313]

Dont get me wrong I really like the 2nd big Z movie but realize that with the level of tech. that humans are at now Gold+silver ARE part of a "Resource" based economy

[thuddas]

I understand the industrial uses of gold, and it is certainly a valuable resource for many applications. This puts it alongside tungsten and diamond in my oppinion.

Currently a goog intemediary step would be to bring a hard standard such as gold to our rediculous fiat money system, but I personally believe(when I started studying money) that any abstract form of wealth will be hoarded and manipulated to the point that people are starving in a place where food could be grown.....cont...

[thuddas]

and water could be found - all because they didnt have 'enough' of a substance that cant be eaten or used for any basic human function.

For example when i say abstract, i mean currency thats otherwise worthless to life: If you went to an alien world and saw half of them dying because they didnt have enough shiney pebbles in their possession compared with the other half, youd say reform was needed. Thats where we are today i think. Just my thoughts..cheers! :)

[unbeatablecrx]

You are still looking at this as a monetary situation where you are using gold as money. Instead think about trading or offering something that they can use that doesn't have a monetary value like food or other goods that the person (laborer working on the machines, etc) could use.

[Vercingetorix1313]

with out gold there is no space travel is has purpose

[m1k3r0b0]

i didnt realize we needed gold to create spaceships.. *sarcasm*

[Vercingetorix1313]

sorry i didnt really build that up did I... :-)

Interesting Gold facts:

the most malleable metal- 1oz pure can make 5 miles of nano-wire.

One of the least chemically reactive elements- it never rusts.

One of the most electrically conductive metals- computers, circuits, ect.

Reflects deadly solar radiation with ease- visors of space suits, ect

And when joined with another compound and put in degassed H2O it Emits Light- that was just discovered by Texas A&M university..no b/s :-)

[TedHaggardsDealer]

I think everyone should look at the big picture, then ask yourself which would you rather have, abundance or scarcity?  thinking in terms of differential advantage will simply not do.

[TedHaggardsDealer]

right on, Jacque Fresco says that the question isnt what's the cost? it's do we have the resources? and if no one was controlling gold/silver through monetary manipulation then of course we would have the resources and even if gold became extremely limited in the future technology would most likely create a new alloy that would supercede gold as technological paralysis wouldnt exist because there is no monetary system to hold it back.

[Vercingetorix1313]

gold and silver alloy called Electrum the most electrically conductive of all.

[m1k3r0b0]

at the end of the day bro.. gold, money, silver, diamond is given value by HUMAN OPINION.. thats it.. they dont do nothing.. you can't eat gold.. diamond... it doesn't keep us alive.. i look at it like this back then all the primitive people saw was ROCKS.. OH WAIT whats that shiny thing on the ground.. GOLD,DIAMONDS,SILVER oh my.. this must be worth something and thats where corruption started the rule is "he who has the gold makes the rules" unfortunatley the value comes from our own opinions

[piscesgutt]

Yeah elegantprops why don't you stop listening to Alex Jones, I'm not gonna miss you and real truthers is not gonna miss you ok? Good riddens

[RonPaulvsTyranny]

real truthers IS not gonna miss you??

oh boy.

[jgaltut]

I have had 2 of my own accounts banned from AJ Channel, and have seen several other complain about it.

I know what happened, the comments are running about 9 to 1 against AJs idiotic interview (even with all his minions lying for him) so now they have to silence us.

We could create new accounts, and post our disgust with this, but it won't do any good. I still think we need to stop wasting any time on fear/hate mongers like AJ, and focus our efforts on getting Clean, Renewable Energy, NOW

[jgaltut]

I have also been totally blocked from AJ channel. It is sad too because I only put a few comments about his childish antics.

Then I apologized and pleaded for everyone to come together to push for Clean, Renewable Energy. I said we don't have to worry about the details of PJ/AJ arguments, we should just work on solutions.

So they don't care about the insults, they only care about blocking someone trying to stop the fighting. This is making me think AJ and staff ARE NWO tools.

[elicasharcherave]

I was blocked as well just by expressing a few constructive criticisms about how Alex handled the interview. I've been listening to AJ almost every day for 2 years. As well as commenting on his channel. Now I will be tuning in once a week and I will never buy a dvd again.

[RonPaulvsTyranny]

he's really showing himself to be a hypocrite.

[jgaltut]

Go to thezeitgeistmovement website and listen to the interviews. Jacque answers all the questions you can think of.

[jgaltut]

You are not an NWO wacko or a commie if you believe there is no reason why the basic necessities of life can't be produced in such abundance that they are essentially free.

In fact, you are a cold blooded sicko if you think people all over the world should be starving and dying, just so some pricks can live like gods, and a bunch of Americans and Europeans can fight each other for their table scraps. When it doesn't have to be that way at all.

[elegantprops]

Most definitely agreed... If the population is still misinformed nothing will ever change. We definitely need to spark the minds of todays youth. We need a new system. I'm thinking of building a site to construct these new ideas and let people bring there thoughts in.

As long as the system is designed and monitored to ensure it is not being corrupted and humanity is not at war, we may set humanity on a new path. as for the bloodline currently in power, we know they won't go out without a fight

[jgaltut]

I think it is a great idea you have about creating a site devoted to the Energy technologies and other stuff. Peter should do a movie just about that.

The NWO has already convince the lefties that global warming is real, and convinced the right that terrorist have our oil, instead of trying to convince them those are hoaxes, we should focus on the solution to those fake problems, Clean, Renewable Energy.

Every politician will have to go along with it once people know it is possible.

[Widetotem]

@elegantprops Well, this fact that you point out is exactly why they are aiming for the heart. Specifically, the internet censorship and ultimately an internet kill-switch. In fact the more we as people communicate and connect, the faster they find ways to misinform the general public through hidden propaganda. The zeitgeist movement stands for a beautiful vision, though with such a clear understanding of that vision anyone opposed to it can certainly fight it.

[jgaltut]

This concept can be extended to everything. For instance, all the different Energy methods discussed in the movie can be implemented, the ones that produce the energy while consuming the least amount of resource is an empirical question, no need for opinions of politicians.

The question of how do we get there from here is start with the Clean, Renewable Energy project, then Abundant food/water, then maybe build shelters or a city. We should at least work on the necessities NOW.

[jgaltut]

No need for government or jails. No need for democracy or opinions. Using the scientific method to make decisions eliminates all the problems. For instance, if you have a garden you need a certain amount of water and fertilizer to grow tomatoes.

If you put a sensor in the ground it can automatically make sure the water and nutrient level stay at a certain point, without any human intervention.

[jgaltut]

Dude, you don't have to worry about how much an ounce of gold is worth (related to money), if you still trade stuff it is subjective, if I value your gold coin more than my antique table I will trade it. No need for money.

Plus eventually we will be able to create gold with nanotechnology, so it won't be scarce.

AI isn't like in scifi movies, it will do what we tell it to do, which can be strictly limited.

[kimpunkrock]

Thank you !

I agree with u whole heartedly!

Thanks for making this video!

[longlivetheloud2]

Good video, good points.

[BadgasBadgas]

Look up his interview with Noam Chomsky, he kicked him off over a minor disagreement....he flat out stopped in the middle of the interview, told Chomsky to give his website and then kicked him off...

Every single interview, Alex takes control by interrupting whenever he feels like it and he blurts out some random, irrelevant idea that he thinks is the "truth". He is incappable of reachig common ground. He is incappable of listening, truely listening.

[BadgasBadgas]

There are just as many "sheeple" out there who listen to Alex Jones and believe everything he says. There are many "truthers" who think they are "awake" simply because they believe 9/11 was an inside job and because they listen to Alex Jones.

I'm glad many are "waking" up to this BS AJ is putting out there in his attempt to smere PJ and Zeitgeist.

He is threatened, he is insecure and he is a self-centered, egotistical fool.

[kimpunkrock]

I agree. Alex's EGO is a monster.

He has defamed himself and has caused more division.  cheers.

[BadgasBadgas]

Good video.

Alex Jones has been exposed as an insecure, egotistical loon who will never, ever admit that he is wrong and who will never, ever concede a single point. He believes his message is absolute and anyone that strays from his message is "NWO".

You're spot on with the Fox News comparisson. Watch this video: /watch?v=NOHK8qK-Ajw

This is EXACTLY what AJ attempted to do to Peter. Alex has stooped to the level of Hannity and Fox News...

[kratomosphere]

I thought that the "interview" reminded me of the bill o riley show. truely. I like peters points in the video addendum. It seems there is now a division in the tuth movement cause of this. This is far from what me need. People say that addendum sounds cultish and I dont see that at all. I just see it as a alternative outlook. I love alex and his works but damn.. this one really got to me. Who the hell to believe anymore other than my own internal filters. Great words man I appreciate it!

[aodscarecrow]

Good post my friend.

I had my reservations about z2 but after hearing what comments peter was actually about to get out, a lot of those fears were laid to rest. I dont know whether all the ideas suggested in z2 are 100% viable but how are we ever going to come up with a viable alternative to the corrupt system we have now without discussion and debate?

[aodscarecrow]

Alex was pure attack when it should have been dialogue, because though the overall plan might be shaky and extreme, many of the ideas within the venus project do have merit and all ideas need consideration. Its extremely difficult for just one mind to come up with a solution but maybe we could formulate some workable plan if all ideas are considered and any favorable and workable aspects of each are chosen.

[aodscarecrow]

I was distressed at how Alex twisted his words, made several underhanded digs and very manipulative remarks, and kept suggesting that a unity of human spirit against the criminals in power was to move towards a one world government. The idea that peter was suggesting that is of course ludicrous, and personally, I dont see how the NWO will EVER be defeated until humanity sets aside our differences and unites as one global movement,

[aodscarecrow]

ntil humanity sets aside our differences and unites as one global movement, but a united humanity does not mean an erosion of national sovereignty or a global government at all, Alex was making that bit up and totally twisting words and fear mongering with what he was saying. All it means is a united humanity boycotting war and the fractional reserve system and all addressing the criminal politicians who hold the reigns of power in their respective countries.

[aodscarecrow]

I dont know what the right solution is, but I know the type of division and intolerance alex seemed to be embracing with that interview is exactly what the illuminati promotes.

[aodscarecrow]

Ive promoted alex, Ive promoted his movies and Ive sent literally hundreds and hundreds of people to his websites but the interview caused me to lose an enormous amount of respect for him and he's lost my patronage. Ive seen kids in grade school conduct more rational and mature debates. To be quite honest, I think Alex is extremely jealous of Peter Josephs film making expertise and feels very threatened by z2, I think he also very concerned about a loss of income should money be phased out.

[elegantprops]

Most definitely agreed. This should be our plan, instead of all the negative name calling going on right now... It makes the truth movement look like a bunch of infants. Alex not only hurt himself he did hurt the movement. We need to be civilised about wanting real change and not laughing at every idea that is put out there. If you have a valuable contribution then please bring it to the table, if you have nothing good to say well you know what your mother always said.

[artofexistence]

nice post dude...ive been an aj watcher for 4 years now. hes def right about 9/11 and a lot of other news. however hes bad at distancing himself from this world of info...i truly think hes gone off the deep end as of late...and the one thing that always gets me about aj is hes always talkin about these secret gov documents that tells him all his info, but he never shares this evidence with his audience. the only reason he hasnt been killed off is because hes a joke unto himself...

[elegantprops]

much appreciated, but let's take away what we can from alex... i mean the knowledge his given us over the years. as i said i don't want to disrespect him, he has done a lot for the cause but i think we as a people need to start communicating and decide where WE really want to go, instead of following the fearless leader.

[slica111]

I had this in a comment on another video which compliments what you're saying.

Homogeneous entities can never clash, the NWO will stop war, crime and corruption of the masses through a complete control grid. for how long?

my point being is unity is needed to stop war but it seems that all this mass control is too easy, vicious, contradictory and all but sustainable, the NWO 'masters' are taking an easy way to unity, but zeitgeist wants to 'gut it out' but they could be wrong or part of this NWO

[Symian27]

Is it possible to eradicate money and a profit-based system? Instead of money you can have a barter system which uses another form of currency unit. I am not sure if this would necessarily be better than money, but individual communities could do this. As for eradicating the profit motive, again individual communities could attempt this but it would require very tight supervision and 100% commitment from everyone to the central cause. The idea of trying to enforce this globally is frightening.

[Symian27]

In a non-profit based economy, there still has to be some kind of unit of currency or unit of value so that resources can be allocated, technology can be developed and infrastructure can be maintained. Therefore, who decides what this unit of value is and how to allocate it? You cannot take a vote of the entire world population, so this means a small group has to decide on everything, and that is when you get massive bureaucracy, interference in people's lives and abuses of power.

[elegantprops]

agreed but let's face it... the system we have at the moment, it's not going very well and there is a much greater abuse of power. until we can sit down and talk out a system of common goals, only then can we start the journey to peace. we can all agree war needs to stop. i'd like people to share there ideas with me and we can build something for where we would like to see ourselves in the future. it's clear people who are awake are not happy with the current system or we would not be here today

[Symian27]

That's true. Most of what Ron Paul has been advocating for the U.S. could be applied in other countries across the world, i.e. breaking up the military-industrial-pharmaceut­ical-bureaucratic complex piece by piece, by returning to the principles of the Constitution - which were designed to protect the people. Virtually all of the problems have been caused by politicians and bankers straying away from the U.S. Constitution and building up their own corrupt military and business interests.

[Symian27]

We have to mobilize from the bottom up, put good people in local office, purge the corrupt one by one to the very top, and break the existing complex. It has to be done all the way with an eye to protecting individual rights, because otherwise there is a danger of replacing the existing system with one that is far, far worse. Unity is important, but unity through a mass technocracy as Jacques Fresco is envisioning is the very same thing that Hitler, Stalin and Mao promised, it is not the answer.

[Symian27]

Peter Joseph, although he starts off with some good ideas about global non-compliance, is also pushing a philosophy of technocratic advancement that essentially falls exactly in line with what Bilderberg, Bill Gates and the new eugenicists and technologists are working on. I think Alex Jones has realised this and is genuinely - and correctly - trying to warn against it. I do agree he is a loud-mouthed, bombastic character and that everyone should be allowed to bring their ideas to the table.

[foolmetwicethemovie]

I think Alex did a lot of damage to himself with this interview