Aethiests are just sad. How can you not have faith? What would be the point in living and the point of the whole damn thing? And the big bang crap? You just think there was random atmons that collided? WOW, aethiests make up some crap.
ATHEIST ARE SUPER DUM BECUZ THEI BELIEF IN SIENCE AND WE KNOW THAT SIENCE ISN´T TRUE BECUZ IT TRY´S TO DISPROVE GOD AND GOD CAN´T BE DISPROVED BECUZ HE IS GOD!!!!!!!! CANT ATHEIST SEE THIS?!?!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
ATHEIST ARE SUPER DUM BECUZ THEI BELIEF IN SIENCE AND WE KNOW THAT SIENCE ISN´T TRUE BECUZ IT TRY´S TO DISPROVE GOD AND GOD CAN´T BE DISPROVED BECUZ HE IS GOD!!!!!!!! CANT ATHEIST SEE THIS?!?!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
No contradictions? Did you read the same bible that was shoved down my throat for the first 14 years of my life? How many unruly children have you stoned to death? The old testament states that is a law of god, and that gods laws never change and are eternal. Then one of the ten commandments are thou shalt not kill. GLARING contradiction.
Yall ALL try to hard, who cares guys, it says in the bible, to live by FAITH alone, not proof alone, if you dont believe then you dont believe making these vids and arguments only brings discourage ment, so if we discourage, how are we sopose to save them? so just quit and let the believers believe and the disbelievers not believe. and if you want them to change their mind and believe you, then just pray (hint: most powerful thing in the bible.) but im sure yall already knew that. just shut up.
if you look at biblical prophecies many of them have come true, and the rest were said to come true after the ones that already have come true. the bible said that near the end people would traverse the world faster than ever before, and knowledge would be vastly increased. it also said in the end that the jewish people would be near wiped out but would return to their homeland. it also said that in the end plaugue and famine would come more than ever before. read revelation, its all coming true
@d3ltadrive Wow such a prophecy must have been divinely inspired. Any moron with an IQ over 12 could have made a prophecy such as "Knowledge will be vastly increased many years from now." Heres one for you: "We will find more planets and understand more about our own in 200 years. " I wonder if it will come true....
@DarkKnghtZ it said knowledge would spread much faster than ever before and it would grow much faster than ever before, and that people would travel faster than ever before, yeah sure any moron with an iq of 12 could predict telephones, computers, huge telescopes, microscopes, automobiles, ect. 3000 years before electricity was even discovered, yup okay dumbass
@d3ltadrive ahh more christian logic... Here is what you claim was said: knowledge would spread much faster than ever before and it would grow much faster than ever before, and that people would travel faster than ever before = Very general and not specific. Here is what you used as examples: telephones, computers, huge telescopes, microscopes, automobiles. Nice job idiot. I bet you like to see fortune tellers and mind readers too? Same type of "tactic" they use.
@DarkKnghtZ Yes this is general, but transportation and travel of knowledge had been the same since the creation of society. How is someone 3000 years ago going to be making that prediction, we could very well be living now without the industrial revolution ever happening. Only in the past 200 years has anything changed since the begging of written history. You are simply avoiding the truth by applying false logic. Nice job with that. I bet you also think that a bunch of "terrorists" did 9/11.
@d3ltadrive I dont know who did 9/11, so I wont pretend I do. Which is more than I can say about Christians and the origin of the universe. And you might want to examine your history. One of the MAJOR roadblocks to technology was Religion. Ever hear of the dark ages? What predictions are you talking about? I thought we were talking about scripts written around or after the time of the bible... which wouldnt be anywhere near 3000 years ago...
@DarkKnghtZ I will agree with you that one of the major roadblocks to technology was religion during the dark ages, but this was because the Catholic church was the high authority for everyone in Europe at the time. You cannot blame what one of these religions did on all organized religion. When the bible was brought to Europe finally in the late 16th century (It was banned by the Vatican) The Renascence happened. Ir-religion can also be a roadblock. Look what happened to the Chinese.
@DarkKnghtZ (cont.) They were the scientific masterminds of the world, great engineers, great philosophers, but they just stopped discovering and creating after a while because they had no reason too. There's a reason the west beat them to the laws of Nature and Physics, and this is because they had a reason too. I don't know the exact quote and really don't feel like looking it up, but Albert Einstein once said that religion without science is crazy, but science without religion is pointless.
@DarkKnghtZ Most of the old testament was written between about 1000 B.C. and 800 B.C. The ancient Jews were very religious, but they really only had tradition and oral scripture. What was written was revelations given to the prophets, and God essentially wrote through the prophets (Unlike Apocrypha which is not divinely inspired and often added by the Catholic church and causes major roadblocks to technology.) There were also excuses made by people that the Bible said this or that when it didnt
@DarkKnghtZ (cont.) The divine right of Kings was no where in the bible. All of the religious roadblocks were based off of anything but the bible. The bible supports freedom and not oppression; many of Adam Smiths views on freedom were inspired by the bible, and where would we be today if he had never written the Wealth of Nations. The industrial revolution could have never happened, as the biggest reason it happened was capitalism.
@d3ltadrive If you truly believe this, then no wonder you are a theist. The bible is FULL of 'okays' to slavery, owning women, murder, and many horrible acts that would create a world with anything but freedom, ALL endorsed by god. While Religion DID encourage people to find America, which lead to a very advanced nation, the Kings you claim stopped technological advance were nearly all using the bible as a "divine command" to act as they did.
@DarkKnghtZ That's only in the NIV, which also has Jesus in place of Lucifer at one point in the new testament, of course it's going to say that. You won't find that anywhere in the KJV or Geneva bibles.
@d3ltadrive "going to say that" What wont I find EXACTLY? And, for that matter, you are making your case weaker by saying that of the 3 versions you mentioned, 2 of them say something the other doesnt. It just goes to show that they are translations of interpretations of translations of stories told by people who read stories written by someone else. Do you think the integrity of said manuscript is solid? And since there are 3 versions in your statement, what proof do you have that 1 is correct?
How can "everything" be "everything" if it came from "something," presumably something else? The only way "everything" can come from "something" is if "everything" came from a subset of itself. This crock is no logical proof of God at all.
Space relies on time to exist? What does that even mean? Also, the science we understand to this point states that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, which would mean they have always existed. That would disprove your theory of time ever "starting" like a clock. What theories such as the "Big Bang" theory state is that the universe as we perceive it now came out of a traumatic cosmic event which we are still attempting to understand. It makes no statement addressing creation.
Ok. If there is a god at all, he can prove it to everyone right now. If there is a god at ALL I challenge him/her to disconnect the internet of all nations within the next five seconds for one hour. If god can make a burning bush a parting sea, and all those things, he can do this simply
How exactly can time have a 'beginning'. Time is a frame we use to measure temporal events such as 'beginnings'. To say Time has a beginning is to imply that it somehow exists within some other temporal frame.
We see things with light. Light travels at 300,000 kilometers per second. The nearest galaxy is trillions of lightyears away. The bible implies our universe was created about 12,000 years ago. It would take us somewhere around 2 million years to see that galaxy. Christianity is bogus. Stop being so scared of dying to the point where you enslave yourselves and believe in refuge in another life.
Sorry but Judaism was polytheistic before the priests rewrote it to be monotheistic. We know this bcuz of the Ugaritic Texts found in 1929. The UTs are Canaanite's history, language, etc. What we find is a twin correlation to the Torah. In fact, the UTs helped defined some of the mysteries of the OT.
The fact is, the early Hebrews were Canaanites, When they migrated out of Canaan, they took the gods of Canaan with them. We see them in the Torah as this is what they worshiped B4 changing to mono.
Your arguments were very good until you needed to logically prove jesus is the son of God. Logic and God having a son are mutually exclusive because they contradict each other. God, as you have proven (being that he transcends tim), is metaphysical, and is thus incapable of having a son. Furthermore, if you wish to say he is the messiah, this is very much false because he his messianic duties haven't been fulfilled. Therefore, it is logical to believe that the Torah and judaism is the truth.
To be honest with you, if you want to apply logic. Then logically speaking , if you feel or believe in something that is invisible or if you hear voices and speak in tongues. Then is not responsible that most educated people would go and see a psychiatrist?
@angellicvoices Have you ever seen an atom? You have been told they exist but have you ever seen an atom. Just asking.... or have you ever seen an electron, neutron on proton...
@GameTrailersHD1 Have you studied physics at University? Well if you have, then you would know you cant see atoms. However there are ways that you can measure that its there, and advanced technology gives us an insight into thier shape! Unfortunately for you bible fearing people, there is no way to measure the existence of God. Your Imaginary friend and a non-existent God look the same to me.
@angellicvoices you cant see atoms where's the logical proof and just so you know 1000's of people have seen god whether its a near death experience. Also if you cant see atoms why should i believe they exist. Have you ever used the "advanced technology".
Love how you atheists call him an imaginary friend and have no evidence to come with it...
@GameTrailersHD1 The burden of proof lies with the believer. The "near death experience" is the most despicable argument to date, because it implies god chooses who to help, and chooses not to help others. It implies you are better than everyone in the world, that god would specifically help you, while ignoring the millions of people dying, getting raped, and catching diseases. The next time you use the "personal experience" argument, you think of all those people out there god doesn't help.
By your logic, if God is all-knowing in the future and past. That must mean we dont have free will. Which means of course he made us either already bad or already good.
WTF is Gods point of making us in the first place? Isnt it better to not know about something that is actually invisible to the naked eye? You do realise that your God is actually invisible dont you?
@scotzbhoy time does not have to have a beginning. this is an illusion that is created by only being able to perceive 3 dimensions, when actually matter exists in many dimensions that are beyond our perception. 97% of the universe cannot be detected because it is extra dimensional matter, we cannot perceive it, but can only conclude its existence because of its effect on perceivable matter.
@scotzbhoy everything had to come from nothing, because nothing cannot exist without everything. they are relative to each other, since one exists, the other has to exist. otherwise everything and nothing both do not exist, and that is impossible. something is just a part of everything.
everything had to come from nothing, because nothing cannot exist without everything. they are relative to each other, since one exists, the other has to exist. otherwise everything and nothing both do not exist, and that is impossible. something is just a part of everything.
time does not have to have a beginning. this is an illusion that is created by only being able to perceive 3 dimensions, when actually matter exists in many dimensions that are beyond our perception. 97% of the universe cannot be detected because it is extra dimensional matter, we cannot perceive it, but can only conclude its existence because of its effect on perceivable matter.
@venomousspiderwookie logic in my context means: ones ability to deduct conclusions. Not logic as a formal axiomatic system. I guess i should have defined that.
For instance, in science, our logic builds on past logic as we converge on the truth. To find the ultimate truth, one needs the ultimate logic (in terms of ability to deduce conclusions), whether or not the ultimate truth is attainable. By this definition, i still make sense. Hooray for me!
@Fuby803 jesus doenst proof god existed jesus was probably real but you know there isnt any proof for existence or non-existence cause will never know for sure i mean what created everything sure it could be god but then again what created god and if you must beleive the bible adam and eve were the first humans but they are signed off as perfectly good formed human beings although there arent any remains of them there arent any remains of any biblical figures
@evelsteev Yup, and i'm sure that nothing exploded into everything for no reason what so ever. If you respond saying I don't understand the big bang than you clearly don't understand my point. I bet you also watch corporate owned "news" and think that "terrorists" are our greatest threat. You aren't a free thinker, your just a puppet for another puppet master.
@d3ltadrive Reason applies to why humans do what they do, as opposed to natural CAUSES: what makes things happen. The cause for the big bang was a singularity. If you think that god is real, even though you have no evidence,whatsoever, it is YOU my friend, that are puppet.
@evelsteev blessed r those who havent seen,and yet still believe...If someone did provide u evidence u would question the very evidence presented cuz u don't believe in the first place,How can u believe in the evidence if u don't believe in the source that provides the evidence?The simple fact that u r able to read this is evidence,its all around u jus don't realize it.if micho kaku made this vid u'd be taking every word as fact.But as soon as God comes into play,wheres ur proof?c'mon
@malchow3x7 evidence isn't something to be "questioned," it's something everybody can actually observe. Everyone that goes on youtube, automatically has evidence for the computer they're using, right in front of them, and no one denies this. However, this isn't the case for your "god." If the evidence is all around then please show a video (like all the other ones on youtube) of this "god" you keep talking about. So far....nothing. Besides, believing something isn't proof for its existence.
@evelsteev I can't give,or provide u something to see,to prove anything,and thats a fact,I agree with u 100%,all I can tell u is what i've experienced personally in my life...I'm not a gullible,nor naive,and i'm not speaking on what some1 has told me abt the Lord or what i've read in the bible.its like proving some1 murdered sme1 when u have a witness but no proof and people know it to be true,does that mean it didnt happen or the witness is lying?
@evelsteev I used to just believe,and in a many ways i questioned my own belief,until I experienced it 1st hand through mutiple occasions,I havent led all my friends to completely surrender to the Lord,but they've personally experienced things with me that made them say that theres something supernatural going on.Its there choice and thats why I told u if evidence was b4 u,u might still not believe,i experienced that with friends and family,so i know..so I now live by faith,not sight or touch
cont...In any case, suppose you are correct, the prophecy still remains unfulfilled. Nowhere in the new testament does Mary, Jesus' mother, call him Immanuel, which was the prophecy.
With regard to Joseph, can you support your claim? Where does it mention what you have said in the bible?
This is saying that the birth took place in order to fulfill the prophecy, it's not an account of the prophecy actually being fulfilled.
Something I've also noted upon looking into this prophecy is that it has been taken entirely out of context. It isn't a messianic prophecy at all, in fact, messiah or son of god are not mentioned at all. The birth of this child was supposed to be a sign for Ahaz, king of Judah, about not being defeated by to other rulers of the time.
@logicalmind4 that's what he is he is with us your name, if it was god given, meant who you are. If i said "You're cool" instead of saying "You're Logicalmind4" it doesn't mean your name is cool
Matthew 1:22 says that the birth took place in order to fulfill the prophecy, it is not an account of the prophecy actually being fulfilled.
But cool is an adjective, Immanuel is a name that was used by Hebrews at the time, just like John is used today. John means god is gracious, but it is still a name. If you called me John, I would assume that you were referring to me and my name, rather than describing me or telling me that god is gracious.
cont....Isaiah 7:14 to indicate the fulfillment of the virgin birth. However, Isaiah 7:14 dictates also that the child would be named Immanuel, which was obviously not fulfilled. It is also untrue that there are no contradictions. There are many. For example, Matthew 1:16 says that Joseph was son of Jacob, whilst Luke 3:23 says that he was son of Heli.
Is the bible the only reason you are Christian, or are there more?
@logicalmind4 for Isaiah 7:14 Immanuel means "God is with us", it wasn't a literal name just like Isaiah 9:6 it says that he shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty god, the verlasting father, the prince of peace. None of these were Jesus' actual name though they describe him.
For Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 Heili was his real father but Joseph adopted him when you adopted someone back in those days it was like they were blood related if they were the oldest they would gain inheritance
But the difference between like wonderful and mighty and Immanuel is that wonderful is an adjective whilst Immanuel is a name. It was, and still is, a Hebrew name. It may mean something, as many names do, but it is still a name. When you refer to someone as an adjective, you are describing them, whilst if you refer to someone as a name, unless you're a bit strange, you're referring to their name. In some translations it even translates to "you shall call his name Immanuel." ......cont
cont...the problem of infinite regress, it is impossible for anything with a motion with such a property could ever move. However, since it is possible, I argue that infinite regress is not valid.
cont...for that thing to move, or in other words, to change its displacement, it needs to speed up. After all, Something cannot move if it isn't moving. However, in order for it to speed up, it has to accelerate, but in order for it to accelerate, it has to increase the jerk, which is the sort of speedy upness of acceleration. speed and acceleration and so on are derivatives of displacement with respect to time. There are an infinite amount of these for the motion I described. Applying......cont
cont...the number 2.71828 and the object is at rest for t < 0.
A change in the objects displacement, call it d0, is dependent upon there being a change in its velocity, call it d1. However, a change in its velocity is dependent upon a there being a change in the objects acceleration d2, which is....and so on such that a change in the objects derivative dn is dependent upon a change in derivative dn+1. Applying the problem of infinite regress, this object cannot move. Since an object can.....cont
Ok, so, essentially, what the video is trying to say is that that time cannot be infinite because of the application of the problem of infinite regress. infinite regress is basically says that if a thing needs to be caused by another thing, but that thing needs to be caused by another thing, and that.....and so on to infinity, then the first thing cannot happen.
What I did is I said consider an object that starts from rest, and moves in a certain way [x = (e^t) - 1]. In order....cont
Sure, you can say that, but I'm going to need a little more than an assertion to believe in god. That's what you believe, why exactly do you believe it?
@logicalmind4 because god is god he is not human, god is infinite and we're finite. Go back 10 years. God was there. Go back 20 years. Gid was there. Go back 100 years. God was there, he was always there.
Though I don't necessarily agree with what you have said, let me get to the meat of the issue. What valid reason(s) can you give me to believe you when you say that god - your god - exists?
@logicalmind4 Look at the Bible. There are 1093 prophecies in the Bible about Jesus and his church and they were all fufilled. There are 5200 manuscripts and not a single contradiction
With regard to biblical prophecy concerning Jesus, any achievable acts, even if confirmed, are self fulfilling and do not bear much significance. All the miraculous prophecies, which I am sure you will claim occurred, require substantial evidence of their occurrence, evidence which I have so far failed to see. And no, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible. Even if we believed everything the bible says, then that claim is still not true. The gospel of Matthew refers to......cont
Consider event e0. It is dependent upon event e1, which is itself dependent upon event e2 which is......and so on such that en is dependent upon en+1. This is the problem of infinite regress which is presented as being impossible. The chocolate bar analogy expressed this the other way round, essentially.
Now, consider an object with a displacement against time relationship mapped by the equation x = (e^t) - 1, where x is displacement, t is time, and e is....cont
"what does blue smell like?" Seriously?! Blue has no smell because its not an object at all, its just part of the light spectrum, god doesnt fall into that catagory at all. Yes everything has a cause and effect, your god must also have also been created if your saying that. Also, none of that is proof of god at all, its just speculation, i want proof that I can SEE myself
@word418 they fear of spending eternity in hell if they dont praise the name of God and commit acts of sin. They wont admit they fear eternity in hell because they have followed gods teachings, but back when christianity was only a minor religion in the known world about 1800 years ago, they used fear as a way to get people to convert from being pagans.
Yes but if my parents were to discipline me, they wouldnt send me to an eternal life in hell. Also, you're god isn't a loving father at all, quite the opposite actually. Didnt he kill someones family, his livestock and basically torture him to the brink of death just to prove to satan that the man still worshiped his name even though he had lost so much? I dont think any lovng father would do that to one of his children at all.
@1dunky1 eternal life in hell is fair. When people went to hell they never asked "how did i get here?" thay knew how and they knew it was right. We are inside time so are sin is limited but God is outside of time so his hatred of sin is eternal
@nailuj100 how do you know when people went to hell they never asked how they got there. Also how can god be outside of time? Time is the only eternal thing in this conversation
@1dunky1 "matter,time,space, and energy are all not eternal. They all had a beggining" God matter,time,space,and energy so how can he be in them while he was creating them?
@nailuj100 umm...so where is he if he is not in time, matter, space or anyhting involving energy? WHERE IS PROOF OF THIS THATS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
@1dunky1 there is proof of god everywhere. The law of cause and effect for example. Every scientist accepts this law. Everything has to have a cause and a beggining; that beggining was the work of God. You're probaly thinking something like "well, if everything has to have a cause then what caused God" asking how God was created is like asking "what does blue smell like?" the color blue isn't under the category of things that have a smell just like how god isn't under a category of caused things
Whilst time may be not eternal, the possibility has not been eliminated, and so you should not continue under the presumption that it has. Respond to this if you want me to explain why.
Sure, I'm saying that you have been developing some arguments with the idea that the universe having always existed is a given. This is not the case for the reason i am about to present. I didn't present it before because it's long and complicated and I wanted to make sure someone was listening.
So, the analogy of the chocolate bar is not quite accurate when representing what I think the video was trying to represent, which was infinite regress. The problem of infinite regress...cont
With me? If you want me to explain anything in more depth just ask. And just to clarify, the number e in the equation isn't the number I expressed, it's just the first 6 significant figures of it, e is irrational. Also, any motion with the derivative property of that which I have expressed will do.
@1dunky1 because it allows us to continue on in our lives without the overwhelming weight always on our shoulders. Belief in heaven allows us to feel as if our actions actually have a purpose.
i disagree with you. However i have tremendous respect for you becuase you rationialize your thought process and get your point across without demeaning others or insulting those whom think differently.
just a little something for everyone to remember, the difference between scientists and christians is that scientists ADMIT when there theories are proved WRONG.
Religion was created by man as a way to escape the inevitable despair of death by believing in an afterlife. It also exists as a moral template for people to live by. This is why religion is false, but a needed part of society.
(3/3) Not only is Judaism not troubled by someone else performing miracles, it is even predicted. To the best of my knowledge, Jesus performing miracles poses no challenge to Islam either. We can debate whether or not it happened. My point is that it's philosophically irrelevant.
(2/3 my bad) So when you say Jesus performed miracles and was resurrected, therefore Christianity is true, you're actually playing with a moot point. For the record, I do not believe that these happened. Nevertheless, Judaism is filled with examples of prophets of other nations performing miracles using the agents of impurity, or people being resurrected. In fact, the Bible even tells us clearly: if a prophet performs a miracle and tells you not to follow the Torah, do not believe him.
(1/2) Two people come up with ideas for how to "undo" the operation of multiplication. A says you divide the product by one factor to get the other, B says you subtract. B says to A: Look! 2x2=4, and 4-2=2, therefore I am right - subtraction undoes multiplication! What he failed to realize is he chose an example that would work with A's theory as well, and so his proof is not a proof. If you bring an example that fits into your claim, and it fits into mine as well, no progress has been made
@heavymetaldeath4life ther is a difference between punishment and discipline none of our sins are punished because Jesus died on the cross but GOD still disciplines us if we keep sinning and not repenting he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he did'nt discipline us he would not be a loving and concerning father.
@heavymetaldeath4life ther is a difference between punishment and discipline none of our sins are punished because Jesus died on the cross but GOD still disciplines us if we keep sinning and not repenting he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he did'nt discipline us he would not be a loving and concerning father
@heavymetaldeath4life there's a difference between punishment and discipline our sins have already been punished through Jesus dying on the cross if we continue to act sinfully and dont repent he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he didn't discipline us then he wouldn't be a loving and concerning father
@heavymetaldeath4life there's a difference between punishment and discipline. our sins have already been punished through Jesus dying on the cross if we continue to act sinfully and dont repent he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he didn't discipline us he wouldn't be a loving and concerning father
@heavymetaldeath4life there's a difference between punishment and discipline. our sins have already been punished through Jesus dying on the cross if we continue to act sinfully and dont repent he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he didn't discipline us he wouldn't be a loving and concerning father
@nailuj100 how has he changed the lives of people? Its the people changing their lives themselves, why not give them credit instead of giving it to some little fantasy man. Oh no, am i going to hell now?! What a shame!
@nailuj100 well yes they did, who else would have. Youre also implying that doctors, nurses, firefighters etc. arnt actually the ones who saves peoples lives, its actually god, he deserves all the credit does he?
Wow u said the same thing over and over...real smart kid. And you if you're going to try to use matter Time space and energy to back up the bible, you shouldn't have to use passages from the bible to back up the bible.
Let's say I buy everything in the video up to the conclusion that the eternal thing that was the cause of the universe is god (which I don't). Why would the qualities provided have to be assigned to a conscious entity? Why couldn't the "multiverse" meet those criteria?
Let's say I buy that it is indeed a god (which I don't), there is ANOTHER leap that is made. Why is it required that the god be known by a religion on earth? Maybe this hypothetical god has no desire to reveal itself.
Wow .... just WOW! He has not provided proof of anything.
That claim that time can not be infinte because otherwise nothing could ever happen is a blatant misunderstanding of infinity and causality.
How in the world does "must exist without energy and matter" mean omnipotent? That makes absolutely no sense. And, existing "without space" doesn't mean omnipresent. Exactly the opposite, I would read that to be nonpresent by our definition of present.
Please explain to me how a God could exist at any capacity in place made up of zero matter, zero energy, zero time, and zero space. What you're doing is asking us to redefine the word "nothing"! Without energy, matter, time, or space, what is there? Then you contradict part of your own argument by claiming that a creator can not have a creator due to the problem of infinity, but that God has "always" been. lmao! This is a far cry from intelligent reason or logic sir.
@Metalobsesion94 God want you to love him, everyday he is trying to talk to you but you are rejecting him, he will not force you to love him, you are entitled to your own opinion so God let's you have it. He will miss you when you burn in hell... (God didn't make you an atheist)
Make you stronger and draw you to him. I cherish the hard times in life because they made me stronger and brought me joy and peace and a closer walk with him. If you experienced the grace and love of God like I have then you would know how awesome God truly is. Surrender your life to him and you'll experience unspeakable joy that only he can give! Trust me, I know! Love you, and God bless!
I made the personal decision to accept the Christ as my Lord and savior. Christianity hasn't been fully proven (visually, because seeing isn't believing) and this video contains many fallacies. However Christianity hadn't been fully disproven either and evolution has yet to fully prove there isn't a God. Christianity involves a personal relationship with your God. Adam and eve sinned so the world today is corrupt. God loves you and wants a relationship with you and gives you hard times to make
I have been attending a Christian baptist church ever since I was in my mothers stomach. However, going to church didn't make me a christian. If your definition of a Christian is a sinner who has prayed the sinners prayer and accepted Christ as the Lord of their life, then I am most certainly a Christian. The hypocrisy of Christians have wavered my beliefs but God has never let me down. Yes, there are bad things in this world that don't make since. But I believe there is a reason for everything
Where is proof that 'god' performed these miracles? If 'god' is all loving, than why is there such a place as hell? If 'god' is real, why is he more evil than 'satan'? Why does 'god' condone theft, slavery, rape and child abuse in the bible?
@nailuj100 ..........erm good and evil are opposites, you just proved how they are in your own sentence. Why do millions of innocent people die every year? i guess thats gods work isnt it. And if my son smoke crack, drank and gambled everyday i would get him help, not just kick him out thats horrible - but i guess christians are just evil arnt they.
For me, it's like watching an inferior species trying to figure out reality.
aboyborninjune 3 days ago
Christian' ''god'' exist! oh wait he died long time ago and now they are drawing him dead on a cross wearing panties? alot of respect for ur ''God''
MrIslamista 5 days ago
the bible is just lies and rumors
hoboninja3 1 week ago
Christians are idiots
hoboninja3 1 week ago
just because Im not gullible it dosnt make me sad
hoboninja3 1 week ago
god probably isn't real. just because science hasn't yet explained something doesn't mean some almighty magic man did it .
hoboninja3 1 week ago
very good video! Perfectly explaind! I cant understand how athiests cant believe it!
Battledroidlover 1 week ago
Aethiests are just sad. How can you not have faith? What would be the point in living and the point of the whole damn thing? And the big bang crap? You just think there was random atmons that collided? WOW, aethiests make up some crap.
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malchow3x7 3 weeks ago
No contradictions? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You're cute.
uthink2much 1 month ago
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ATHEIST ARE SUPER DUM BECUZ THEI BELIEF IN SIENCE AND WE KNOW THAT SIENCE ISN´T TRUE BECUZ IT TRY´S TO DISPROVE GOD AND GOD CAN´T BE DISPROVED BECUZ HE IS GOD!!!!!!!! CANT ATHEIST SEE THIS?!?!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
ReligionPwnsAtheism 1 month ago
ATHEIST ARE SUPER DUM BECUZ THEI BELIEF IN SIENCE AND WE KNOW THAT SIENCE ISN´T TRUE BECUZ IT TRY´S TO DISPROVE GOD AND GOD CAN´T BE DISPROVED BECUZ HE IS GOD!!!!!!!! CANT ATHEIST SEE THIS?!?!?!??!?!???!?!??!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!
ReligionPwnsAtheism 1 month ago
@ReligionPwnsAtheism Dude, I like your username.
ColinBrunnemer77 4 weeks ago 2
No contradictions? Did you read the same bible that was shoved down my throat for the first 14 years of my life? How many unruly children have you stoned to death? The old testament states that is a law of god, and that gods laws never change and are eternal. Then one of the ten commandments are thou shalt not kill. GLARING contradiction.
DarkKnghtZ 2 months ago
Incoherent rambling
keegirose 2 months ago
Yall ALL try to hard, who cares guys, it says in the bible, to live by FAITH alone, not proof alone, if you dont believe then you dont believe making these vids and arguments only brings discourage ment, so if we discourage, how are we sopose to save them? so just quit and let the believers believe and the disbelievers not believe. and if you want them to change their mind and believe you, then just pray (hint: most powerful thing in the bible.) but im sure yall already knew that. just shut up.
HUNGRYHUNGRYHOBOZ2 2 months ago
if you look at biblical prophecies many of them have come true, and the rest were said to come true after the ones that already have come true. the bible said that near the end people would traverse the world faster than ever before, and knowledge would be vastly increased. it also said in the end that the jewish people would be near wiped out but would return to their homeland. it also said that in the end plaugue and famine would come more than ever before. read revelation, its all coming true
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@d3ltadrive Wow such a prophecy must have been divinely inspired. Any moron with an IQ over 12 could have made a prophecy such as "Knowledge will be vastly increased many years from now." Heres one for you: "We will find more planets and understand more about our own in 200 years. " I wonder if it will come true....
DarkKnghtZ 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ it said knowledge would spread much faster than ever before and it would grow much faster than ever before, and that people would travel faster than ever before, yeah sure any moron with an iq of 12 could predict telephones, computers, huge telescopes, microscopes, automobiles, ect. 3000 years before electricity was even discovered, yup okay dumbass
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@d3ltadrive ahh more christian logic... Here is what you claim was said: knowledge would spread much faster than ever before and it would grow much faster than ever before, and that people would travel faster than ever before = Very general and not specific. Here is what you used as examples: telephones, computers, huge telescopes, microscopes, automobiles. Nice job idiot. I bet you like to see fortune tellers and mind readers too? Same type of "tactic" they use.
DarkKnghtZ 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ Yes this is general, but transportation and travel of knowledge had been the same since the creation of society. How is someone 3000 years ago going to be making that prediction, we could very well be living now without the industrial revolution ever happening. Only in the past 200 years has anything changed since the begging of written history. You are simply avoiding the truth by applying false logic. Nice job with that. I bet you also think that a bunch of "terrorists" did 9/11.
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@d3ltadrive I dont know who did 9/11, so I wont pretend I do. Which is more than I can say about Christians and the origin of the universe. And you might want to examine your history. One of the MAJOR roadblocks to technology was Religion. Ever hear of the dark ages? What predictions are you talking about? I thought we were talking about scripts written around or after the time of the bible... which wouldnt be anywhere near 3000 years ago...
DarkKnghtZ 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ I will agree with you that one of the major roadblocks to technology was religion during the dark ages, but this was because the Catholic church was the high authority for everyone in Europe at the time. You cannot blame what one of these religions did on all organized religion. When the bible was brought to Europe finally in the late 16th century (It was banned by the Vatican) The Renascence happened. Ir-religion can also be a roadblock. Look what happened to the Chinese.
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ (cont.) They were the scientific masterminds of the world, great engineers, great philosophers, but they just stopped discovering and creating after a while because they had no reason too. There's a reason the west beat them to the laws of Nature and Physics, and this is because they had a reason too. I don't know the exact quote and really don't feel like looking it up, but Albert Einstein once said that religion without science is crazy, but science without religion is pointless.
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ Most of the old testament was written between about 1000 B.C. and 800 B.C. The ancient Jews were very religious, but they really only had tradition and oral scripture. What was written was revelations given to the prophets, and God essentially wrote through the prophets (Unlike Apocrypha which is not divinely inspired and often added by the Catholic church and causes major roadblocks to technology.) There were also excuses made by people that the Bible said this or that when it didnt
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ (cont.) The divine right of Kings was no where in the bible. All of the religious roadblocks were based off of anything but the bible. The bible supports freedom and not oppression; many of Adam Smiths views on freedom were inspired by the bible, and where would we be today if he had never written the Wealth of Nations. The industrial revolution could have never happened, as the biggest reason it happened was capitalism.
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@d3ltadrive If you truly believe this, then no wonder you are a theist. The bible is FULL of 'okays' to slavery, owning women, murder, and many horrible acts that would create a world with anything but freedom, ALL endorsed by god. While Religion DID encourage people to find America, which lead to a very advanced nation, the Kings you claim stopped technological advance were nearly all using the bible as a "divine command" to act as they did.
DarkKnghtZ 2 months ago
@DarkKnghtZ That's only in the NIV, which also has Jesus in place of Lucifer at one point in the new testament, of course it's going to say that. You won't find that anywhere in the KJV or Geneva bibles.
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@d3ltadrive "going to say that" What wont I find EXACTLY? And, for that matter, you are making your case weaker by saying that of the 3 versions you mentioned, 2 of them say something the other doesnt. It just goes to show that they are translations of interpretations of translations of stories told by people who read stories written by someone else. Do you think the integrity of said manuscript is solid? And since there are 3 versions in your statement, what proof do you have that 1 is correct?
DarkKnghtZ 2 months ago
10/10
this sort of thing is always a winner
nidep3ngyou 3 months ago
Woah woah woah wait, no contradictions in the bible? I don't think so. Why was I not surprised that this video was actually totally illogical?
SpamuelNeedbeef 3 months ago
How can "everything" be "everything" if it came from "something," presumably something else? The only way "everything" can come from "something" is if "everything" came from a subset of itself. This crock is no logical proof of God at all.
dotsdl 3 months ago
Space relies on time to exist? What does that even mean? Also, the science we understand to this point states that matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed, which would mean they have always existed. That would disprove your theory of time ever "starting" like a clock. What theories such as the "Big Bang" theory state is that the universe as we perceive it now came out of a traumatic cosmic event which we are still attempting to understand. It makes no statement addressing creation.
predalienmack 3 months ago
biggest crap ever
ansarbano 4 months ago
I guess god doesn't get the internet.
aHighschoolloser 4 months ago
Ok. If there is a god at all, he can prove it to everyone right now. If there is a god at ALL I challenge him/her to disconnect the internet of all nations within the next five seconds for one hour. If god can make a burning bush a parting sea, and all those things, he can do this simply
aHighschoolloser 4 months ago
How exactly can time have a 'beginning'. Time is a frame we use to measure temporal events such as 'beginnings'. To say Time has a beginning is to imply that it somehow exists within some other temporal frame.
At what 'time' did time not exist?
Hufflewaffle 4 months ago
We see things with light. Light travels at 300,000 kilometers per second. The nearest galaxy is trillions of lightyears away. The bible implies our universe was created about 12,000 years ago. It would take us somewhere around 2 million years to see that galaxy. Christianity is bogus. Stop being so scared of dying to the point where you enslave yourselves and believe in refuge in another life.
Blue8624 4 months ago
Sorry but Judaism was polytheistic before the priests rewrote it to be monotheistic. We know this bcuz of the Ugaritic Texts found in 1929. The UTs are Canaanite's history, language, etc. What we find is a twin correlation to the Torah. In fact, the UTs helped defined some of the mysteries of the OT.
The fact is, the early Hebrews were Canaanites, When they migrated out of Canaan, they took the gods of Canaan with them. We see them in the Torah as this is what they worshiped B4 changing to mono.
Cootabux 4 months ago
Making up 'just so stories' as proof is the only way of justifying faith beliefs.
If "everything must have come from something", then obviously your god must have come from something. That's logic.
Compare these two claims,
1)matter, space and time have always existed,
2)an omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omnipresent being outside of matter, space and time has always existed and made matter, space and time.
Even ignoring the lunacy of the Bible, #1 is way more believable.
3point14rat 5 months ago
Your arguments were very good until you needed to logically prove jesus is the son of God. Logic and God having a son are mutually exclusive because they contradict each other. God, as you have proven (being that he transcends tim), is metaphysical, and is thus incapable of having a son. Furthermore, if you wish to say he is the messiah, this is very much false because he his messianic duties haven't been fulfilled. Therefore, it is logical to believe that the Torah and judaism is the truth.
123jsass 5 months ago
you have the most annoying high pitch ringing in the middle of your video.... now i have a headache and my dogs are going ballistic, fix yo shit
1337DiscGolf 6 months ago
There are a lot of false dichotomies in this video. Great logic.
christreignsforever 6 months ago
Brilliant explanation
GameTrailersHD1 7 months ago
To be honest with you, if you want to apply logic. Then logically speaking , if you feel or believe in something that is invisible or if you hear voices and speak in tongues. Then is not responsible that most educated people would go and see a psychiatrist?
angellicvoices 7 months ago
@angellicvoices Have you ever seen an atom? You have been told they exist but have you ever seen an atom. Just asking.... or have you ever seen an electron, neutron on proton...
GameTrailersHD1 7 months ago
@GameTrailersHD1 Have you studied physics at University? Well if you have, then you would know you cant see atoms. However there are ways that you can measure that its there, and advanced technology gives us an insight into thier shape! Unfortunately for you bible fearing people, there is no way to measure the existence of God. Your Imaginary friend and a non-existent God look the same to me.
angellicvoices 6 months ago
@angellicvoices you cant see atoms where's the logical proof and just so you know 1000's of people have seen god whether its a near death experience. Also if you cant see atoms why should i believe they exist. Have you ever used the "advanced technology".
Love how you atheists call him an imaginary friend and have no evidence to come with it...
GameTrailersHD1 6 months ago
@GameTrailersHD1 The burden of proof lies with the believer. The "near death experience" is the most despicable argument to date, because it implies god chooses who to help, and chooses not to help others. It implies you are better than everyone in the world, that god would specifically help you, while ignoring the millions of people dying, getting raped, and catching diseases. The next time you use the "personal experience" argument, you think of all those people out there god doesn't help.
Revenwazhere 6 months ago
By your logic, if God is all-knowing in the future and past. That must mean we dont have free will. Which means of course he made us either already bad or already good.
WTF is Gods point of making us in the first place? Isnt it better to not know about something that is actually invisible to the naked eye? You do realise that your God is actually invisible dont you?
angellicvoices 7 months ago
@angellicvoices Proof God is an asshole 'ISAIAH 45:7' read it.
MrScruffyHamster 7 months ago
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@scotzbhoy time does not have to have a beginning. this is an illusion that is created by only being able to perceive 3 dimensions, when actually matter exists in many dimensions that are beyond our perception. 97% of the universe cannot be detected because it is extra dimensional matter, we cannot perceive it, but can only conclude its existence because of its effect on perceivable matter.
Bullpuma 7 months ago
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@scotzbhoy everything had to come from nothing, because nothing cannot exist without everything. they are relative to each other, since one exists, the other has to exist. otherwise everything and nothing both do not exist, and that is impossible. something is just a part of everything.
Bullpuma 7 months ago
@scotzbhoy matter, time, and space...time is a dimension, space is three dimensions, matter exists in dimensions.
Bullpuma 7 months ago
@scotzbhoy if "something" always existed, why can't time have always existed?
Bullpuma 7 months ago
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@scotzbhoy u based all ur "proof" on process of elimination, without eliminating all possibilities
Bullpuma 7 months ago
u based all ur "proof" on process of elimination, without eliminating all possibilities
Bullpuma 7 months ago
if something always existed, why can't time have always existed?
Bullpuma 7 months ago
matter, time, and space...time is a dimension, space is three dimensions, matter exists in dimensions.
Bullpuma 7 months ago
everything had to come from nothing, because nothing cannot exist without everything. they are relative to each other, since one exists, the other has to exist. otherwise everything and nothing both do not exist, and that is impossible. something is just a part of everything.
Bullpuma 7 months ago
time does not have to have a beginning. this is an illusion that is created by only being able to perceive 3 dimensions, when actually matter exists in many dimensions that are beyond our perception. 97% of the universe cannot be detected because it is extra dimensional matter, we cannot perceive it, but can only conclude its existence because of its effect on perceivable matter.
Bullpuma 7 months ago
Wow, logic doesnt prove anything, jesus.
demon4411 7 months ago
Premises:
1. Finding the ultimate answers to the universe requires the ultimate logic.
2. Finding a decent video recording software requires logic.
Conclusion:
Your logic cannot lead you to a decent video recording software; therefore, your logic cannot lead you to the ultimate answers to the universe.
The truth is that no one knows. Stop acting like you do and keep your existential speculations to yourself.
bryanpicchiottino 7 months ago 7
@bryanpicchiottino
The truth of logic depends on the truth of the starting premise, which is your isn't. There's no such thing as "ultimate logic".
venomousspiderwookie 5 months ago
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bryanpicchiottino 5 months ago
@venomousspiderwookie logic in my context means: ones ability to deduct conclusions. Not logic as a formal axiomatic system. I guess i should have defined that.
For instance, in science, our logic builds on past logic as we converge on the truth. To find the ultimate truth, one needs the ultimate logic (in terms of ability to deduce conclusions), whether or not the ultimate truth is attainable. By this definition, i still make sense. Hooray for me!
bryanpicchiottino 5 months ago
Wow, you don't know what the word proof means. No wonder you believe in god.
bobdull420 7 months ago
@Fuby803 jesus doenst proof god existed jesus was probably real but you know there isnt any proof for existence or non-existence cause will never know for sure i mean what created everything sure it could be god but then again what created god and if you must beleive the bible adam and eve were the first humans but they are signed off as perfectly good formed human beings although there arent any remains of them there arent any remains of any biblical figures
thevideogamerzz 7 months ago
Logical proof requires EVIDENCE, for which you have none.
evelsteev 8 months ago 13
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@evelsteev
You have no proof that God doesn't exist.
venomousspiderwookie 5 months ago
@evelsteev Yup, and i'm sure that nothing exploded into everything for no reason what so ever. If you respond saying I don't understand the big bang than you clearly don't understand my point. I bet you also watch corporate owned "news" and think that "terrorists" are our greatest threat. You aren't a free thinker, your just a puppet for another puppet master.
d3ltadrive 2 months ago
@d3ltadrive Reason applies to why humans do what they do, as opposed to natural CAUSES: what makes things happen. The cause for the big bang was a singularity. If you think that god is real, even though you have no evidence,whatsoever, it is YOU my friend, that are puppet.
evelsteev 2 months ago
@evelsteev blessed r those who havent seen,and yet still believe...If someone did provide u evidence u would question the very evidence presented cuz u don't believe in the first place,How can u believe in the evidence if u don't believe in the source that provides the evidence?The simple fact that u r able to read this is evidence,its all around u jus don't realize it.if micho kaku made this vid u'd be taking every word as fact.But as soon as God comes into play,wheres ur proof?c'mon
malchow3x7 3 weeks ago
@malchow3x7 evidence isn't something to be "questioned," it's something everybody can actually observe. Everyone that goes on youtube, automatically has evidence for the computer they're using, right in front of them, and no one denies this. However, this isn't the case for your "god." If the evidence is all around then please show a video (like all the other ones on youtube) of this "god" you keep talking about. So far....nothing. Besides, believing something isn't proof for its existence.
evelsteev 3 weeks ago
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@evelsteev I can't give,or provide u something to see,to prove anything,and thats a fact,I agree with u 100%,all I can tell u is what i've experienced personally in my life...I'm not a gullible,nor naive,and i'm not speaking on what some1 has told me abt the Lord or what i've read in the bible.its like proving some1 murdered sme1 when u have a witness but no proof and people know it to be true,does that mean it didnt happen or the witness is lying?
malchow3x7 3 weeks ago
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@evelsteev I used to just believe,and in a many ways i questioned my own belief,until I experienced it 1st hand through mutiple occasions,I havent led all my friends to completely surrender to the Lord,but they've personally experienced things with me that made them say that theres something supernatural going on.Its there choice and thats why I told u if evidence was b4 u,u might still not believe,i experienced that with friends and family,so i know..so I now live by faith,not sight or touch
malchow3x7 3 weeks ago
cont...In any case, suppose you are correct, the prophecy still remains unfulfilled. Nowhere in the new testament does Mary, Jesus' mother, call him Immanuel, which was the prophecy.
With regard to Joseph, can you support your claim? Where does it mention what you have said in the bible?
And yes, feel free to PM me.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 Matthew 1:22
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
This is saying that the birth took place in order to fulfill the prophecy, it's not an account of the prophecy actually being fulfilled.
Something I've also noted upon looking into this prophecy is that it has been taken entirely out of context. It isn't a messianic prophecy at all, in fact, messiah or son of god are not mentioned at all. The birth of this child was supposed to be a sign for Ahaz, king of Judah, about not being defeated by to other rulers of the time.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@nailuj100
Immanuel was a theophoric name, just like samuel, meaning name of god. h t t p : / / e n . w i k i p e d i a . o r g / w i k i / T h e o p h o r i c
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 that's what he is he is with us your name, if it was god given, meant who you are. If i said "You're cool" instead of saying "You're Logicalmind4" it doesn't mean your name is cool
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
Matthew 1:22 says that the birth took place in order to fulfill the prophecy, it is not an account of the prophecy actually being fulfilled.
But cool is an adjective, Immanuel is a name that was used by Hebrews at the time, just like John is used today. John means god is gracious, but it is still a name. If you called me John, I would assume that you were referring to me and my name, rather than describing me or telling me that god is gracious.
If you said I was cool, I would...cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
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cont...Assume that you were describing me, rather than telling me name, as you correctly stated
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 Immanuel was an adjective
nailuj100 8 months ago
cont....Isaiah 7:14 to indicate the fulfillment of the virgin birth. However, Isaiah 7:14 dictates also that the child would be named Immanuel, which was obviously not fulfilled. It is also untrue that there are no contradictions. There are many. For example, Matthew 1:16 says that Joseph was son of Jacob, whilst Luke 3:23 says that he was son of Heli.
Is the bible the only reason you are Christian, or are there more?
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 for Isaiah 7:14 Immanuel means "God is with us", it wasn't a literal name just like Isaiah 9:6 it says that he shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty god, the verlasting father, the prince of peace. None of these were Jesus' actual name though they describe him.
For Matthew 1:16 and Luke 3:23 Heili was his real father but Joseph adopted him when you adopted someone back in those days it was like they were blood related if they were the oldest they would gain inheritance
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
But the difference between like wonderful and mighty and Immanuel is that wonderful is an adjective whilst Immanuel is a name. It was, and still is, a Hebrew name. It may mean something, as many names do, but it is still a name. When you refer to someone as an adjective, you are describing them, whilst if you refer to someone as a name, unless you're a bit strange, you're referring to their name. In some translations it even translates to "you shall call his name Immanuel." ......cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@nailuj100
And I meant to say WORDS like wonderful and mighty.....
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 and no there are many reasons why i became a real christian if you want me to talk about that i can pm you.
nailuj100 8 months ago
Why is that god can be eternal but the universe can't be?
maskofsan1ty 8 months ago
cont...the problem of infinite regress, it is impossible for anything with a motion with such a property could ever move. However, since it is possible, I argue that infinite regress is not valid.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
cont...for that thing to move, or in other words, to change its displacement, it needs to speed up. After all, Something cannot move if it isn't moving. However, in order for it to speed up, it has to accelerate, but in order for it to accelerate, it has to increase the jerk, which is the sort of speedy upness of acceleration. speed and acceleration and so on are derivatives of displacement with respect to time. There are an infinite amount of these for the motion I described. Applying......cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
cont...move in such a way, however, I submit that the problem of infinite regress is invalid.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
cont...the number 2.71828 and the object is at rest for t < 0.
A change in the objects displacement, call it d0, is dependent upon there being a change in its velocity, call it d1. However, a change in its velocity is dependent upon a there being a change in the objects acceleration d2, which is....and so on such that a change in the objects derivative dn is dependent upon a change in derivative dn+1. Applying the problem of infinite regress, this object cannot move. Since an object can.....cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 sir, im 13
im an average person not a graduate in quantum physics
if you can could you simplify what you said?
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
Ok, so, essentially, what the video is trying to say is that that time cannot be infinite because of the application of the problem of infinite regress. infinite regress is basically says that if a thing needs to be caused by another thing, but that thing needs to be caused by another thing, and that.....and so on to infinity, then the first thing cannot happen.
What I did is I said consider an object that starts from rest, and moves in a certain way [x = (e^t) - 1]. In order....cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 god is not caused he has always just existed
and thankyou for simplifying it
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
Sure, you can say that, but I'm going to need a little more than an assertion to believe in god. That's what you believe, why exactly do you believe it?
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 because god is god he is not human, god is infinite and we're finite. Go back 10 years. God was there. Go back 20 years. Gid was there. Go back 100 years. God was there, he was always there.
nailuj100 8 months ago
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@nailuj100
Ok, let me rephrase this. I do not believe in god. Why should I believe in god, and why do you believe in god in the first place?
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 it's a long story on how i became i christian. Being christian is much more than believing god
James 2:17
It gives you a purpose and you live a much better life (I'm not saying it will be perfect)
The ways of the culture are so tiring and empty , i am fufilled
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
Though I don't necessarily agree with what you have said, let me get to the meat of the issue. What valid reason(s) can you give me to believe you when you say that god - your god - exists?
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 Look at the Bible. There are 1093 prophecies in the Bible about Jesus and his church and they were all fufilled. There are 5200 manuscripts and not a single contradiction
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
With regard to biblical prophecy concerning Jesus, any achievable acts, even if confirmed, are self fulfilling and do not bear much significance. All the miraculous prophecies, which I am sure you will claim occurred, require substantial evidence of their occurrence, evidence which I have so far failed to see. And no, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible. Even if we believed everything the bible says, then that claim is still not true. The gospel of Matthew refers to......cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
cont..can be expressed like this:
Consider event e0. It is dependent upon event e1, which is itself dependent upon event e2 which is......and so on such that en is dependent upon en+1. This is the problem of infinite regress which is presented as being impossible. The chocolate bar analogy expressed this the other way round, essentially.
Now, consider an object with a displacement against time relationship mapped by the equation x = (e^t) - 1, where x is displacement, t is time, and e is....cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
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PM me if you want a response to this because I'm not going to bother if you don't get to see it.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
"what does blue smell like?" Seriously?! Blue has no smell because its not an object at all, its just part of the light spectrum, god doesnt fall into that catagory at all. Yes everything has a cause and effect, your god must also have also been created if your saying that. Also, none of that is proof of god at all, its just speculation, i want proof that I can SEE myself
1dunky1 9 months ago
@1dunky1 if you believe there is no god why do you look for proof?
nailuj100 9 months ago
@1dunky1 what do they fear? I do not quite understand
word418 9 months ago
@word418 they fear of spending eternity in hell if they dont praise the name of God and commit acts of sin. They wont admit they fear eternity in hell because they have followed gods teachings, but back when christianity was only a minor religion in the known world about 1800 years ago, they used fear as a way to get people to convert from being pagans.
1dunky1 9 months ago
Yes but if my parents were to discipline me, they wouldnt send me to an eternal life in hell. Also, you're god isn't a loving father at all, quite the opposite actually. Didnt he kill someones family, his livestock and basically torture him to the brink of death just to prove to satan that the man still worshiped his name even though he had lost so much? I dont think any lovng father would do that to one of his children at all.
1dunky1 9 months ago
@1dunky1 eternal life in hell is fair. When people went to hell they never asked "how did i get here?" thay knew how and they knew it was right. We are inside time so are sin is limited but God is outside of time so his hatred of sin is eternal
nailuj100 9 months ago
@nailuj100 how do you know when people went to hell they never asked how they got there. Also how can god be outside of time? Time is the only eternal thing in this conversation
1dunky1 9 months ago
@1dunky1 "matter,time,space, and energy are all not eternal. They all had a beggining" God matter,time,space,and energy so how can he be in them while he was creating them?
nailuj100 9 months ago
@nailuj100 umm...so where is he if he is not in time, matter, space or anyhting involving energy? WHERE IS PROOF OF THIS THATS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
1dunky1 9 months ago
@1dunky1 there is proof of god everywhere. The law of cause and effect for example. Every scientist accepts this law. Everything has to have a cause and a beggining; that beggining was the work of God. You're probaly thinking something like "well, if everything has to have a cause then what caused God" asking how God was created is like asking "what does blue smell like?" the color blue isn't under the category of things that have a smell just like how god isn't under a category of caused things
nailuj100 9 months ago
@nailuj100
Whilst time may be not eternal, the possibility has not been eliminated, and so you should not continue under the presumption that it has. Respond to this if you want me to explain why.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 can you rephrase your comment?
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
Sure, I'm saying that you have been developing some arguments with the idea that the universe having always existed is a given. This is not the case for the reason i am about to present. I didn't present it before because it's long and complicated and I wanted to make sure someone was listening.
So, the analogy of the chocolate bar is not quite accurate when representing what I think the video was trying to represent, which was infinite regress. The problem of infinite regress...cont
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 how?
nailuj100 8 months ago
@nailuj100
With me? If you want me to explain anything in more depth just ask. And just to clarify, the number e in the equation isn't the number I expressed, it's just the first 6 significant figures of it, e is irrational. Also, any motion with the derivative property of that which I have expressed will do.
logicalmind4 8 months ago
@logicalmind4 what is the reason you were about to present?
nailuj100 8 months ago
ahhh the ol' chewbacca defense
riksullivan 9 months ago
@1dunky1 because it allows us to continue on in our lives without the overwhelming weight always on our shoulders. Belief in heaven allows us to feel as if our actions actually have a purpose.
word418 9 months ago
@word418 not really, belief in religios causes fear among those who believe they must commit themselves to fake teachings
1dunky1 9 months ago
i disagree with you. However i have tremendous respect for you becuase you rationialize your thought process and get your point across without demeaning others or insulting those whom think differently.
pissmissile 9 months ago
just a little something for everyone to remember, the difference between scientists and christians is that scientists ADMIT when there theories are proved WRONG.
1dunky1 9 months ago
Religion was created by man as a way to escape the inevitable despair of death by believing in an afterlife. It also exists as a moral template for people to live by. This is why religion is false, but a needed part of society.
word418 9 months ago
@word418 religion is the cause of war, fear, anger, famine and slavery. How on earth is this a needed part of society??
1dunky1 9 months ago
Both time and god are man-made. Stop saying the word proof when you have none.
ktsyd4 9 months ago
(3/3) Not only is Judaism not troubled by someone else performing miracles, it is even predicted. To the best of my knowledge, Jesus performing miracles poses no challenge to Islam either. We can debate whether or not it happened. My point is that it's philosophically irrelevant.
AlexMaged 9 months ago
(2/3 my bad) So when you say Jesus performed miracles and was resurrected, therefore Christianity is true, you're actually playing with a moot point. For the record, I do not believe that these happened. Nevertheless, Judaism is filled with examples of prophets of other nations performing miracles using the agents of impurity, or people being resurrected. In fact, the Bible even tells us clearly: if a prophet performs a miracle and tells you not to follow the Torah, do not believe him.
AlexMaged 9 months ago
(1/2) Two people come up with ideas for how to "undo" the operation of multiplication. A says you divide the product by one factor to get the other, B says you subtract. B says to A: Look! 2x2=4, and 4-2=2, therefore I am right - subtraction undoes multiplication! What he failed to realize is he chose an example that would work with A's theory as well, and so his proof is not a proof. If you bring an example that fits into your claim, and it fits into mine as well, no progress has been made
AlexMaged 9 months ago
And your 'scientific explanation' doesn't explain how christianity as a whole is the truth. You're dumb, you are very dumb
ToggafReggin69 9 months ago
there is NO PROOF FOR GOD. Christians stop trying to prove your failed logic.
ToggafReggin69 9 months ago
you reasoning is faulty
85335tunji 9 months ago
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@heavymetaldeath4life ther is a difference between punishment and discipline none of our sins are punished because Jesus died on the cross but GOD still disciplines us if we keep sinning and not repenting he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he did'nt discipline us he would not be a loving and concerning father.
nailuj100 10 months ago
@heavymetaldeath4life ther is a difference between punishment and discipline none of our sins are punished because Jesus died on the cross but GOD still disciplines us if we keep sinning and not repenting he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he did'nt discipline us he would not be a loving and concerning father
nailuj100 10 months ago
@heavymetaldeath4life there's a difference between punishment and discipline our sins have already been punished through Jesus dying on the cross if we continue to act sinfully and dont repent he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he didn't discipline us then he wouldn't be a loving and concerning father
nailuj100 10 months ago
@heavymetaldeath4life there's a difference between punishment and discipline. our sins have already been punished through Jesus dying on the cross if we continue to act sinfully and dont repent he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he didn't discipline us he wouldn't be a loving and concerning father
nailuj100 10 months ago
@heavymetaldeath4life there's a difference between punishment and discipline. our sins have already been punished through Jesus dying on the cross if we continue to act sinfully and dont repent he will discipline us by sending us to hell if he didn't discipline us he wouldn't be a loving and concerning father
nailuj100 10 months ago
if you want proof of god look at the lives of the people he's changed
christians(real ones) are so different then then world
you can't get that anywhere else
nailuj100 10 months ago
@nailuj100 how has he changed the lives of people? Its the people changing their lives themselves, why not give them credit instead of giving it to some little fantasy man. Oh no, am i going to hell now?! What a shame!
1dunky1 10 months ago
@1dunky1 because they didn't
nailuj100 10 months ago
@nailuj100 well yes they did, who else would have. Youre also implying that doctors, nurses, firefighters etc. arnt actually the ones who saves peoples lives, its actually god, he deserves all the credit does he?
1dunky1 10 months ago
Higgs Boson.
alphabetadeltazeta 10 months ago
Dang dude, if atheists actually watched this whole video, i bet you could convert some people. Good job! Very good evidence! :)
BlackDog7697 10 months ago
Wow u said the same thing over and over...real smart kid. And you if you're going to try to use matter Time space and energy to back up the bible, you shouldn't have to use passages from the bible to back up the bible.
eth6706 11 months ago
Let's say I buy everything in the video up to the conclusion that the eternal thing that was the cause of the universe is god (which I don't). Why would the qualities provided have to be assigned to a conscious entity? Why couldn't the "multiverse" meet those criteria?
Let's say I buy that it is indeed a god (which I don't), there is ANOTHER leap that is made. Why is it required that the god be known by a religion on earth? Maybe this hypothetical god has no desire to reveal itself.
ug333 11 months ago
Wow .... just WOW! He has not provided proof of anything.
That claim that time can not be infinte because otherwise nothing could ever happen is a blatant misunderstanding of infinity and causality.
How in the world does "must exist without energy and matter" mean omnipotent? That makes absolutely no sense. And, existing "without space" doesn't mean omnipresent. Exactly the opposite, I would read that to be nonpresent by our definition of present.
ug333 11 months ago
Please explain to me how a God could exist at any capacity in place made up of zero matter, zero energy, zero time, and zero space. What you're doing is asking us to redefine the word "nothing"! Without energy, matter, time, or space, what is there? Then you contradict part of your own argument by claiming that a creator can not have a creator due to the problem of infinity, but that God has "always" been. lmao! This is a far cry from intelligent reason or logic sir.
geekneck29 11 months ago
Sorry link dead
BeevazGaming 11 months ago
Proof of a miracle? (I used this one cos I saw it myself)
BeevazGaming 11 months ago
@Metalobsesion94 God want you to love him, everyday he is trying to talk to you but you are rejecting him, he will not force you to love him, you are entitled to your own opinion so God let's you have it. He will miss you when you burn in hell... (God didn't make you an atheist)
BeevazGaming 11 months ago
This does not prove christianity at all. And the term god is subjective just like good and evil
SpecterWSA 11 months ago
This is fucking lol, god doesn't exist...get over it lol
zachy180zz 11 months ago
Make you stronger and draw you to him. I cherish the hard times in life because they made me stronger and brought me joy and peace and a closer walk with him. If you experienced the grace and love of God like I have then you would know how awesome God truly is. Surrender your life to him and you'll experience unspeakable joy that only he can give! Trust me, I know! Love you, and God bless!
MsForeman9 11 months ago
I made the personal decision to accept the Christ as my Lord and savior. Christianity hasn't been fully proven (visually, because seeing isn't believing) and this video contains many fallacies. However Christianity hadn't been fully disproven either and evolution has yet to fully prove there isn't a God. Christianity involves a personal relationship with your God. Adam and eve sinned so the world today is corrupt. God loves you and wants a relationship with you and gives you hard times to make
MsForeman9 11 months ago
I have been attending a Christian baptist church ever since I was in my mothers stomach. However, going to church didn't make me a christian. If your definition of a Christian is a sinner who has prayed the sinners prayer and accepted Christ as the Lord of their life, then I am most certainly a Christian. The hypocrisy of Christians have wavered my beliefs but God has never let me down. Yes, there are bad things in this world that don't make since. But I believe there is a reason for everything
MsForeman9 11 months ago
LOL Chikken me too
0+0=0
0-0=0
0X0=0
0/0=universe
He made some good points, but also some assumptions that weren't based on anything or just untrue
LastResortSkateTeam 11 months ago
Where is proof that 'god' performed these miracles? If 'god' is all loving, than why is there such a place as hell? If 'god' is real, why is he more evil than 'satan'? Why does 'god' condone theft, slavery, rape and child abuse in the bible?
1dunky1 11 months ago
@1dunky1 hell is man's fault not gods
good and evil aren't opposites evil is just what happens when there is an abscence of good
when there is an abcsence of god evil is in our lives
that's why there's hell
you choose to go there
if you had a son and all he did was smoke cocaine,drink, and gamble every day eventually you would kick him out, same way with god
humans were made with free will that's why there is evil in the world
nailuj100 10 months ago
@nailuj100 ..........erm good and evil are opposites, you just proved how they are in your own sentence. Why do millions of innocent people die every year? i guess thats gods work isnt it. And if my son smoke crack, drank and gambled everyday i would get him help, not just kick him out thats horrible - but i guess christians are just evil arnt they.
1dunky1 10 months ago