George Tiller, MD: "Abortion Services Are a Heart Issue"

[mikewarmblood]

Anyone who can surely say that an fetus is not a baby is truly in satan's grip.Tiller was a monster and a MURDERER and he is now facing his choices he made in the name of women's health. I say to all the women that got their butts in the abortion clinic KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED!! most men are into one thing and it isn't love!! the only innocent one in the whole picture is the BABY!!!!!! baby from the moment of conception final!! no arguments. I hope you rethink your stand on this issue.

[mikewarmblood]

Mary Ever Virgin taught at Fatima that all the souls falling into the pits of hell are mostly sins against the flesh mastrurbation fornification cheating on spouses living in sin by devorcing and remarrying. I hate it for Tiller that he got killed and yes he was murdered and I am sure his blood is on the hands of his murderer but he was warned three times but his pride helped his murder to take place.Don't yell at me or condemn me for speaking the truth take it up with God. Prisoner.

[mikewarmblood]

How could you use the name of God!! in the same breath of promoting abortion. The Catholic Church The original church states that any contraceptive is a MORTAL SIN!!! not a little sin but a MORTAL sin. And mostly abortion is EVIL and is murder. Tell me to go to hell ok. Whatever. just rethink your stand before condemning anyone to hell. Prisoner. By the way did you get your name for being moral???? Look in your own heart before telling me how wrong I am or what Christ taught for 2000 years.

[Adele8705]

@mikewarmblood News flash -- a lot of people don't give a care about Catholicism.

[mikewarmblood]

@Adele8705 NEWSFLASH!!!!! You will when you are in the fires of Hell all of you baby killing selfish no good for nothing murderers in the name of women's rights. I guess if it is a woman's right, it should be people's right to rid the earth of abortionists right? I mean what is good for the goose should be good for the gander. If someone feels that their enemy or coworker is inconvienent then just terninate them,, Right. WRONG but that is your argument. We know it is wrong accept it

[Adele8705]

@mikewarmblood Lol, stupid man.

[mikewarmblood]

@Adele8705 HAHAHAHAHA!!!Laugh now. for one day you won't be laughing. Enjoy it now HAHHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!­!

[1776iscoming]

I am so happy this monster cannot harm one more infant.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming This martyr never harmed any infants, and in fact was ensuring that infants had a healthy start to life, that every infant was a welcome, wanted member of a family.

To the "happy" at the murder of a physician renders you incapable of calling ANYONE a "Nazi" or talking about a conscience, which you obviously lack entirely.

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

You can't be serious. His body count was probably even more than the 60,000 that is claimed. This guy was a sick freak, the world didn't lose anything but a murderer.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming Lie. The murderer still sits in jail, Dr. Tiller was the victim of murder, he never murdered anyone. He was not a "sick freak", he was a courageous hero, who SAVED countless lives even though his own was at risk.

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

If you believe that, then you must not have a conscience, look a picture of an aborted baby and tell me it isn't murder.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming I have a conscience, it's absolutely not murder, and to be lectured to about "conscience" from someone who admitted being happy at a REAL murder, the murder of a heroic physician in his own church in front of children in order to rob women of decent health care and their civil rights has about as much room to lecture about "conscience" as Charles Manson. You said you were HAPPY this husband and father was gunned down. THAT is murder.

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

You ought to read my comment again, I never praised his killer, nor am I happy that it took murder to stop a mass murderer. I wish he would have just repented and turned to God, but it didn't happen. It doesn't surprise me that a man who made a living murdering babies died in such a violent manner while attending an apostate church.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming First off, saying you're "happy" about it is truly vile. Secondly, not only was he NOT a mass murderer, or a murderer at all, but that kind of hysterical sick language absolutely contributes to violence against health care providers. He didn't NEED to turn to God, he was already a devout Christian. The despicable blasphemy of assuming that ONLY those on the radical religious right are "real" Christians is insanely untrue, and speaking of blasphemy his church was NOT "apostate".

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

Biblically, Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit gives us the desires of God, one of which is love, especially love for the most innocent among us. Tiller was not a Christian, in fact, he I'd go so far as saying He hated God. And yes, the Lutheran church is apostate, they hold many unbiblical positions and advocate sin. I truly hope Tiller repented in the final seconds of his life, I really do.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming Blasphemous lies. Tiller WAS a Christian, to say he "hated God" because he provided health care to women is the most despicable blasphemy imaginable. There is NOTHING "apostate" about the Lutheran Church, AT ALL. What "sin" do they advocate? YOU advocate sin in your bigotry and hate, which are sin. Tiller didn't "repent" because HE DID NOTHING WRONG.

Unbiblical positions? didn't support slavery and ate shellfish? Being Christian and believing every word of the BIble don't mix.

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

The biggest sin they are known for is their acceptance of homosexuality and moral sin. Yes, they are an apostate church that uses the "Christian" name, yet is leading people to hell. If you do not believe the bible is the inspired word of God, like it says, then none of it is relevant. If you don't have a problem with murdering babies, it's kind of pointless even talking about sin, because you don't recognize it.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming KKK lies. Homosexuality is NOT a sin. It's blasphemy to call them "apostate" for not accepting your bigotry and hate, which are not Christian at all. The claim you must believe every word, which is idiotic, or "none of it is relevant" is the most unChristian and stupid thing imaginable. That's just not true, at all. NOBODY believed it until recent trends and it's STILL only a very small minority of Christians.

We're not talking about murdering babies. An embryo is NOT a baby.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

YOU are accepting moral sin. Bigotry is a sin. Sexism is a sin. Lying is a sin. Being gay is NOT a sin. Being pro-choice is NOT a sin. KNOWING that the Bible was written by people and includes factual errors and opinions that are NOT God's is not a sin.

Paul said that women are not allowed to speak in the church building. Not just during church, EVER. Do you ban women from ever speaking inside the building? Do you stone children? Require widows to marry their brothers-in-law?

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

You need to read the bible, you can believe what you want, but I will tell you that only through repentance of sin and faith in Christ alone can one enter heaven and be justified by God. If you don't believe that, there is no point in arguing with you. Hell is a very real place, I truly will pray that you will make the right decision.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming I have read the Bible daily, taught it, and preached from it for decades. It's a LIE to claim that ONLY Christians go to heaven. There is no such thing as "hell", it is NOT a real place. It is a man-made lie, it was NOT part of the original writings of the Bible but was added in by the Catholic Church hundreds of years later. The idea that God will torture people for eternity is sick and unChristian, thinking God would do so NOT for sin but for being in the wrong religion is vomit.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@PrisonerNumber9653 Funny, I asked some pretty simple questions here, and you ignored them. "there's no point in arguing with you" came out as soon as questions you cannot answer came up. You want to tell me "you need to read the Bible" but as soon as you see I know the Bible very, very well you run and hide.

It's blasphemy to call Lutherans, or any other believers in Jesus Christ but not the preposterous myth of scripture being the perfect "word of God" "apostate". Absolute blasphemy.

[RadarGuidedVermin]

@PrisonerNumber9653 <----- Occupy Walnut who mooches entitlements and refuses to work.

[mikewarmblood]

@1776iscoming That is so true. HE was a monster and the best thing happened he isn't KILLING anymore. He had plenty of warnings but his PRIDE got in the way. I am not advocating killing but it was eventually going to happen. and it finaly did. Now the rest of these monsters need to take heed and stop this genocide. before God does!!!

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mikewarmblood Go to hell. Pride my FUCKING ASS. He gave his life for medicine, pride didn't have DICK to do with it. You damn well ARE advocating killing, scumbag. YOU LIAR!! YOU ARE ADVOCATING KILLING! YOU'RE CELEBRATING MURDER!

God KNOWS this isn't "genocide" any more than birth control. God knows EVERY child should be welcome, EVERY pregnancy wanted. And God knows the blasphemy of using that holy name to promote your hateful, evil movement is sick and wrong.

[mikewarmblood]

I repeat for all you advocates for this genocide think of it 60,000,000 babies killed means 60,000,000 taxpayers that could have supported you when you are on social security are GONE!!! for the believers like myself that is 60,000,000 INNOCENT LIVES SNUFFED OUT!!! Their blood is on ALL our hands ALL OF OURS!!!! How dare someone tell me that it is not murder. BLASTEMY!!!! ANATHEMA!!

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mikewarmblood And, again, we see that it's hysteria not facts. You've truly gone off your rocker with trash about "genocide" and "babies". They aren't babies, this isn't genocide. Screaming at the top of your lungs about "lives snuffed out" happens because a reasonable, fact-based discussion leaves most people pro-choice. So, you don't allow it to be about facts, it's about hysteria, about wailing and rubbing gravel through your hair as you scream lies wildly.

It's not murder. Or close to it.

[mikewarmblood]

@PrisonerNumber9653 I'd rather be considered off my rocker in the name of Christ than to loose everything (Christ) your argument is that if the BABY!!!! is in the whomb is not a baby. That is like saying that an item isn't the item when in the box it came from till you remove it. so if you buy an ipod, it is in it's original box. It is not an ipod, but when you remove it from it's box then it is an ipod?? that is your argument. I am sorry it is a baby the moment of conception end of story.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mikewarmblood It's grotesque blasphemy to claim your cruel bigotry is "in the name of Christ". It's NOT a baby, it's an embryo or a fetus. Saying "it's a baby from the moment of conception" is scientifically and medically false, and AGAIN this proves that the radical anti-choice movement CANNOT debate this issue factually. When the real facts--not lies, not hysteria, not "OH DEAR GOD WE MUST PROTECT THESE PRECIOUS INNOCENT BLAH BLAH" bullshit, people realize that choice MUST remain the law.

[mikewarmblood]

TO the person that sent me a nastygram. I am sorry abortion is MURDER and FETUES ARE BABIES!!!!! because God said so. He formed you in your mother's whomb. Conception is the moment a BABY!!!! is created by God. End of story. Tiller was a killer who KILLED babies. Oh I almost forgot. It isn't a woman's body it belongs to God!!! I pray all you baby killers and advocates for it,, start seeing the light. before it is too late. 60,000,000 tax payers GONE!!

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mikewarmblood Blasphemous lies. God did NOT say so, EVER. Abortion is NOT murder, and embryos and fetuses are NOT babies.Tiller never killed any babies, he was a physician who saved many womens' lives and protected their health when others lacked the courage to do so.

It isn't a woman's body, it belongs to God? Are you on drugs? of COURSE it is her body, God doesn't steal it from her. NOBODY is advocating for abortion and NOBODY is advocating "baby killing".

[DoctressJulia]

@mikewarmblood You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Just another man who knows diddly SHIT about womens' reproductive rights. Fuck you and fuck your 'god'.

[mikewarmblood]

@DoctressJulia I love it.. I KNOW i am right if I get the likes of you that angry at me. I have a soul to save that is mine. I know that there is a God only FOOLS beleive in nothing. How hopeless and despairing. One day whether you like it or not , you will face God whether you believe in him or not, he's not going anywhere. I am sure you are a mindless teenager parroting that Godless crap you learned in your liberal freshman year in some liberal college you never worked for.

[DeaconStinky]

Tiller killed baby human beings for cash. What a despicable piece of shit. He was a deceiver, liar and a killer. I hope his family becomes destitute and their life is miserable every moment that they use money provided by George Tiller. Let that blood money cause them misery and pain.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@DeaconStinky Liar. He did NOT kill anybody, and he worked NOT for "cash" but for the health of America's women. He didn't deceive ANYONE, didn't lie, and was NOT a killer. To hope for misery for anyone is vile, to hope for the misery of the FAMILY of this hero is subhuman. George Tiller was a great man, and the Nazis who celebrate his death aren't worthy of standing in his shadow.

[1776iscoming]

@PrisonerNumber9653

Speaking of nazis, how you and other individuals that are pro abortion can look at an aborted baby and still find ways to validate it tells me that your consciences are seared, you are very wicked people. Himmler and Hitler have nothing on you guys.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@1776iscoming They aren't babies, and we aren't pro-abortion. There's nothing remotely "wicked" about a woman being allowed to decide for herself whether or not she undergoes a minor medical procedure or has her entire life changed forever by a pregnancy and parenthood. That SHE decide, not the government, is the only way a person of conscience should come down on this issue. To compare allowing her to decide for herself, and is an embryo NOT a baby, to the murder of millions of people is vile.

[mikewarmblood]

Loner I am done with you I feel sorry for you and I think you are misguided I take it that becasue you are 23. University or not you are not experienced enough in life to KNOW what the hell you are talkling about. I am finished with you. I will pray for you and that God who loves you will enter that cold hard heart of yours and make you SEE the evil you speak. God be with you. Always. Mike.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

It looks like menstrual tissue, to be honest. Not like the photos the crazies on your side use of later term miscarriges and claim they are earlier than they actually are.

Hm, if its my age thats the issue I wonder why so many people much older than me support abortion rights then? Were I on your side I can tell you would be a hypocrite, you would be praising me and not saying I was too young to understand the issue. I think you are blinded and misguided.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

Oh so you're running away? Typical, typical. Do your wishful thinking if you want, would you like me to sacrifice a cow for you? It would have the same effect.

Let me tell you I was raised "pro life" and to believe in biblegod. I believed out of ignorance and fear. I hope you're not too old for basic rational thinking skills to develop :)

[mikewarmblood]

Yes I LOVE steak oh and hambugers also I really am in the mood for a ribeye.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

Did you talk to the invisible sky man for me yet?

[mikewarmblood]

@loner1878 Yes I did my dear friend I most certainly did. I hope someday he will bless you. Oh he is so wonderful willing to forgive and welcome you in his loving caring arms. Please laugh at me all you want call me what you feel but please when you are alone and reflect on this magnificent world and all could this all be accident. Please get rid of your anger. Love him that created you. I am honored to be laughed at by loving Jesus it is such a compliment. I can't wait to see him. Mike.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

I find the fact that the world came to be by chance absolutely fascinating. "Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?"

-- Douglas Adams, from Last Chance To See (a great book on natural history, extinction, and how we're managing to stuff this planet up fairly badly)

Why do you feel the need to make up lies about people you don't know? I can only assume I make you insecure in your own beliefs.

[mikewarmblood]

Also Tiller the baby killer knows God is real!!! and he knows that God isn't too happy with him. 60,000 PEOPLE!!!! KILLED!! in the name of women's health. Have you ever held an aborted fetus I am sorry BABY!!!!! in your hand Loner?? HAVE YOU!!!?????? Do you know what a baby looks like when he or she is RIPPED OUT SNUFFED OUT!!! DO YOU!!!!!!!??? I HAVE!!!!!!and I tell ya it is EVIL. How would you like it if your mother KILLED YOU!!!?

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

Oh, you must be right, you use CAPS. On wait I CAN use CAPS too!!!! Pre fetal tissue blobs are not people. Women are people, and thats who Tiller helped. Abortion is a vital medical procedure and has been for thousands of years.

My mother chose to have me. And I respect my mother too much to want her to have been forced to have me. If I hadn't been born, well, I wouldn't know the difference. Things that don't exist have no opinion one way or another, so your point is moot.

[pittbullbill]

killing babies is "tremendously stimulating" thats probley what gacy was thinking when he was killing a little boy too.

[loner1878]

@pittbullbill

LOL drama queen.

[glennis3]

There are no late term abortions done without good reason. There are less than 400 a year done in the U.S. and I suspect that is a high number. It is up to the woman, her God and her doctor, not he public.

[mikewarmblood]

@glennis3 There is absolutly NO good reason for ANY abortion and I hate it for Tiller but I am glad the son of a bitch baby killing ruthless greedy slime ball is gone. God gave him FAIR!!! warnings with many attempts. He didn't head the warnings. Abortion is MURDER and We ALL will answer for it all of us for letting this genocide take place. How twisted we are to try to explain why women should get an abortion. They and the INNOCENT are the ones that pay the most.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

No good reason for abortion? When my mother had her second pregnancy she developed a life-threatning infection that required a D&C or she would have died. So according to your self righteous bullshit my mother should be dead. Go fuck yourself.

And BTW, there is no god. Save yourself the holy rolling bible humping.

[mikewarmblood]

@loner1878 You can believe God away all you want but he won't go away. And also when we are judged you will be rethinking your Godless ideas and your Godless life.  As far as $&%#ING myself Maybe your mother should have done the same and you wouldn't be wasting a lifespan someone else could use With your lovely response,, I bet being you really really sucks.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

You'll be in the same position if it turns out you were worshipping the wrong god (“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours” - Stephen Roberts)

Maybe your mother should just have swallowed instead, you wouldn't exist either and I would be spared the inconvinience of answering loser comments.

[NegativeNick]

@camerabbit what are you talking about? why would anyone ever think doctors are anything BUT? they are the most concerned among us.

[mjt19741]

It's funny how he was killed for killing innocent human babies. But people don't look at the reality of having an abortion. IT DOES NOT SAVE HUMAN LIVES.

More and more women have physical problems from having an abortion then they do from giving a natural birth. Look at the facts. Abortion does not save lives. Abortionist only tell u the stuff that you want to hear and not the stuff that you don't. By law they don't have to tell you everhting that can happen. They tell u about the procedure.

[MrsTardbuster1]

@mjt19741 oh, it's FUNNY how he was killed? You're not too prolife then? Rather anti woman or antichoice I guess...

[mjt19741]

@MrsTardbuster1 A murderer being murdered by another murderer. And you say I am not pro life. Look again.

[MrsTardbuster1]

@mjt19741 if you're think a murder is funny you're obviously not pro life, it's well known that "pro life " is a marketed term that has no tangible reality... you're confirming...

[mjt19741]

@MrsTardbuster1 No. what is funny about that is that all the people praise the work of Dr. Tiller. That is what is funny. People still think he was innocent. Look again.

[MrsTardbuster1]

@mjt19741 nice try but you said "funny how he was killed for..." you're not pro life, you're anti woman and anti choice!

[mjt19741]

@MrsTardbuster1 That doesn't mean anything. He was killed for murdering other humans and the press made it look like he was innocent. That is whats funny about it. The press made it look like he was innocent. A murderer murdering another murderer and everyone made it look like he was innocent. But everyone hated the work of Hitler but praised the work of Dr. Tiller. Funny how stuff like that happens.

[MrsTardbuster1]

@mjt19741 ha so you're taking back what you said previously then?

[AbortionKillsBabies]

IGNORE the PRO ABORTION TROLLS..Do NOT encourage them!

[mjt19741]

@AbortionKillsBabies I'm not even worring about her anymore. Im just gonna let her be

[YOYOdaMOOSE]

@AbortionKillsBabies

pro-life trolls u mean

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@AbortionKillsBabies There is no such thing. There is NOBODY who is "pro-abortion". People are pro-choice, and the idea that it's "trolling" to defend women's rights, especially on a video from the heroic Dr. Tiller whom your sick movement murdered is truly pathetic.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mjt19741 Nazi lies. Tiller didn't murder ANYONE. The press told the TRUTH. YOU are the one promoting Hitleresque values, sick lies and double-talk. Calling health care "murder" is what got Dr. Tiller killed. There's blood on your hands.

[rockinfaceplant0000]

loner1878 if i could meet you just once it would be the last time you meet anyone rip!!!!!!!!!! are you kidding me hes a late term murderer or was .. loner moron i wish to find all people like you who think they know best PLAYING GOD IS A SIN A SIN PUNISHABLE BY GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL as will you if you cange your ways im not even pro life he was just a horrible man and he got what he deserved u say hes a hero ?? what did he do for you did he save any lifes did he help anyone EVER AT ALL NO ..

[kcsorci]

@rockinfaceplant0000 wrote "if i could meet you just once it would be the last time you meet anyone rip!!!!!!!!!!"

~psycho.

[mikewarmblood]

@rockinfaceplant0000 Don't waste your time, He is probably like 20 something or less and thinks he knows real life issues, Anyone who calls Mr Tiller a heroic person is a twisted hard hearted person. He was a Hitler to the innocent. As far as Loner,,, you may be right the likes of you right now may "win" the battle that is, certainly not the war. God will win and the blood of those little children are on all our hands. I pray for God's mercy on you and all of us.

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

I do have to say, people like you wear ignorance like a badge of honor, use ad hominems and religious bullshit in the place of basic rationality and civil discourse. Obviously you have had the luxury of never having lived in a country where abortions were illegal. I did, and saw the consequences. Doctors like Tiller did as well, thats why he did what he did.

I find it very amusing you would think your god was "pro life" to begin with.

[mikewarmblood]

@loner1878 IS that the best you can come up with?? I mean really?? do you honestly think that because YOU think God don't exist because YOU think so??? I don't give a rat's behind what you think what you believe or how you think. You are a young punk who thinks you know everything let me tell ya fella when life kicks you in the butt which it will with your lack of experience then you may get it. When are you due back boy's town. I KNOW God is real and that is all I need.

[mrspock61]

now awtch this boys and girls no ONE CONSERVATIVE will answer my post, THEY WILL NAME CALL, CHANGE THE SUBJECT, OR JUST IGNOR THE POST BUT I promise you I won't get an honest, intelligent conversation, WATCH, and you call yourselves CHRISTIANS

[mrspock61]

I get so damn sick of these self rightous conservatives talking about abortion if you so called ;christians'; really gave a damn about the unborn why don't you people OFFER A DAMN SOLUTION?? any moron can scream and walk around with a sign talking smack! why don't you GOD LOVING, GOD FEARING people open up your homes and offer these women a place for the baby to live.?? or purchase land and build a center 24/7 for the care of these unwanted babies??

[MsWilatowska]

Nah, that might be something Christ would do. Can't do that.

[bcmasta1returns]

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One of many Tiller's controversies the mainstream media tried to cover up.

You still think great of him, thats beyond me.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Checkout: A Heartbreaking Choice website and read the beautiful stories of how Dr. Tiller helped women; he was a selfless, beautiful man & what he did for the women who required his services was nothing short of altruism. How some random stranger who has never found him or herself in the shoes of a woman who required a later term abortion due to fetal anomaly/demise and/or maternal life/health could spew such vitriol is beyond me.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Clearly they were helped and good for them. I never said all his services killed and harmed people. Still doesn't change the fact he killed viable premature babies who could have lived and harmed some women on top of that. Its like a bank robber who donates the money to charity. That doesn't justify his actions.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Dr. Tiller never performed an abortion post viability on a healthy woman with a health fetus. That is against the law; and we all know that if Dr. Tiller had broken the law, anti-abortion extremist groups (like Operation Rescue) would have taken their proof directly to the Attorney General. Every abortion Dr. Tiller performed helped women... that's what "justified" his actions. Period.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci He advertised 3rd trimester abortions for no reason on his website and the Governor was trying to pass a law that prevented him being required to pas on records of abortion and the reason. I doubt they gave him much hassle for his main money maker. Yes, I trust most doctors and respect what they do greatly. It actually angers me to see people like George Tiller and Harold Shipman putting a bad face on such a generous and life saving career.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - No, he did not advertise "3rd trimester abortions for no reason." Not on his clinics website, nor in any other advertisement. Not ever. Research these things prior to spouting off about them & you will find that you have been misinformed (intentionally or otherwise.) You must know that using misinformation &/or outright lies is not and never has been an effective arguing tool.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci I'm not lying your denying facts. At Women's Health we specialize in "late" term abortion care. We are able to perform abortions to the time in the pregnancy when the fetus is viable.Viability is not a set point in time. Viability is determined by the attending physician ..." quote from his website. So he could have determined the fetus not viable a day before birth. And his track record shows he preformed abortions when the fetus could have lived.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Dr. Tiller did not advertise abortion post-viability "for no reason" which is what you claimed. Dr. Tiller performed abortions at 22+ weeks on women who had experienced fetal anamoly/demise or threat to maternal life/health. Never, ever in history did Dr. Tiller (or any other Dr.) perform an abortion "a day before birth" That is emotive nonsense, much the same as your previous comment re: "for no reason." You've either been duped or being deliberately dishonest.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Then explain Sarah Brown who survived, even with an attempt to kill her.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Sarah Brown is a pretty good actress, however, as far as I can tell, there has never been an attempt on her life. Please feel free to link to the source for your story (omitting, of course, those extremist anti-abortion sites if they do not list the source for their "stories") Those people make up so much crap on a wing & a prayer that people (like you) wont bother to do the research.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci No, it is the truth, you are ignorantly denying, that in 1993 a woman was going to have a late term abortion at Tiller's clinic. Her child was able to resist the poision and ended up being born two days later in a hospital. She died September 28 1998, 5 years later from complications the poison gave her. If this is made up or less extreme then what I said, how come not one Tiller supporter has come out and addressed it?

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - There is no original source for the story you're quoting. As a matter of fact, if you try to research from the anti-abortion sites, you are directed to a "broken link." We don't "come out and address" the Easter Bunny either; there is no reason for anyone to "come out and address" a fantasy. Now, please feel free to provide a link for proof of your assertion... I'll be waiting!

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Ok, if somebody accused me of murder I would come out and deny it. This isn't the Easter bunny. This is the story of a REAL girl who survived a botched Tiller abortion and died five years later. It is pretty serious and addressed by many pro lifers. If I was a doctor and this was a lie that could ruin my reputation, I would defiantly make sure that is known to the public. Unless it was true and I didn't take responsibility for my actions. Then I would try and hide it.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Dr. Tiller was never accused of murder... not ever. Pretending that some make-believe story is real actually does sum up the Easter Bunny pretty friggen well. This is not a REAL story... it is pure fantasy. Unless, of course, you can provide proof to the contrary. That's sort of how facts work.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Then I'm sure all those testimonies of women claiming he helped and cared for them are fake too.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Except that those testimonies were made to Congress and are a matter of actual, recorded fact... research it.

Vikki Stella testimony: three w's(dot)house(dot)gov/pelosi/p­arbirve

PBS has the original testimony from several women who testified before the President in 1996 (women like Mary Dorothy Line, Coreen Costello, Tammy Watts,)

Do the research & you'll discover the truth.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Broken link. What testimonies are you talking about? I'm talking the website you showed me with women saying how Dr. Tiller helped them. That is a woman saying a late term abortion saved her life. The removal of the child from a womb that is, intentionally killing the child did nothing but cause yet another unnecessary loss of life. And yes, if there was a rumor of a botched abortion going around about me on multiple websites to thousands, I would prove them false.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - The original website I cited was "A Heartbreaking Choice" but I also included the link to the Congressional testimony of the women who experienced late term abortion. If you had trouble with the site is is super simple to just google one of the names I gave you, like "Vikki Stella" - the first site is a goverment site... theres also a PBS link which brings you to a transcript of the testimonies. C'mon, we can't be lazy about this stuff... it's too important!

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - You are not qualified to be determining what possible benifits may result from terminating a pregnancy post 22 weeks... the pregnant woman is. And considering that these are mostly instances where a woman wanted to gestate a healthy pregnancy and give birth to a healthy child... I trust they are more qualified than you to be determing the risk/benifits. Oh, and please do explain how you would go about proving a negative ("I would prove them false")

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci This is a story of a girl with pictures of her and her grave addressed by multiple websites. Some which pop up right when you type in abortion. I see NOTHING denying it or correcting the main story and dates. We live in a world where people freak out at every little thing FOX or MSNBC covers wrong or with opinion. Until I find ONE source telling me this is made up. I'm going to take their word for it. BTW, I don't see thousands of different claims against Tiller, this and a few others.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - There is no "story"... there is nothing regarding this make-believe person on anything other than anti-abortion websites. You'd think this family would be all over the news, getting their story out about Dr. Tiller & preventing such a travesty from ever happening again. But... not so much when the story is pretend. And lastly, why on earth would someone address a "person" that doesn't exist? Brings us back to that rascally Easter Bunny, doesn't it?

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Ok, live to your word and prove it then.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Prove what? Or are you actually asking that I prove a negative? The onus is on the person making the claim, my dear. So far, nothing supports the claim you made. Forgive me if you're speaking of something other than your "abortion survivor" story.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Uh, hello, six sites so far including a case study site. All same story, all same, name, age, and dates. Are you just playing stupid? Ok, I'll play your little game. What are you talking about? Dr Tiller was never killed. He didn't even exist. Just an imaginary abortion doctor made up by the media and government to put dirt on the pro life side of the issue.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - What sites? When did you list them? I've been unable to find anything supporting your "sarah brown" story. And please trust me, the reproductive rights of women is absolutely NOT a "little game." Do you understand what "burden of truth" means? I've been trying to establish a truth to the story you shared re: sarah brown and thus far have been unable to prove the story is true. If you have proof, please share it.

[kcsorci]

@kcsorci Woops, should be "burden of proof" and I've been trying to prove that your story is true and have been unsuccessful thus far. I suppose a lack of proof lends itsself to concluding that the story is made-up. Unless you have some secret knowledge regarding how one goes about proving that something doesn't exist (oh wait... is a lack of proof the same thing?) I honestly don't know.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Wait... or did you want me to prove the Easter Bunny doesn't exist? How would one prove such a thing?

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - So, if you were a Doctor, you would waste your time denying every single made-up story that extremists throw at you (the same people who threaten your life, the life of your wife, the lives of your children, the lives of your clinic workers - on a daily basis) You would dignify these terrorists with a response? Methinks not.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci However, I will agree it is sad to see hardly any factual websites on this man when I Google him. It is either a very pro life website or a very pro choice website. I'm not going to say pro life websites are always factually honest or don't use misleading words. However, you thing I'm going to trust a pro choice website just claiming he was a hero and crusader for women's rights anymore then I would a pro life website?

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - I'm not asking you to "trust" a reproductive rights website; I merely requested you provide your source for your story (I already knew it was make-believe.) I can tell you that the "a heartbreaking choice" website is "factually honest" as are the testimonies of women such as Vikki Stella, Tammy Watts, Viki Wilson, Becky Bruce, Tiffany Campbell and countless others who have actually experienced abortion later in pregnancy. Do you trust them?

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - By the way, your analogy fails unless you believe that not only is robbing a bank legal but that banks actually seek out potential robbers to perform this legal service for them. But hey, it's good to know that not only do you not trust our medical doctors or women but that on top of all that, you truly do not understand our legal system. American academia makes me sad.

[mikewarmblood]

@kcsorci Have you ever held an aborted baby in your own hands??? Did you ever see the little tiny hands and feet of that murdered baby!! I have and it will change your life forever and Tiller was a monster he was a murderer. altruism?????? 5000.00 for each abortion I am sorry murder, multiply that by 60,000 altruism PUKE!!!! Satan has you faked out. Beautiful man gag me witth 10,000 square foot murder factory.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mikewarmblood Wow, you're truly vile. Just sick. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt all I've said. This isn't about facts, isn't about rights, it's about trying to bamboozle people with hysterical attempts at emotion.

Tiller was a hero. He was a physician with one agenda--the health of women. He never murdered anyone, your movement murdered him. So much for the "pro-life" bullshit.

[pakctam]

"If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament." - Florynce Kennedy

[bcmasta1returns]

@pakctam  I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns Whoever Undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

~Albert Einstein

[M14Mann]

It's good to know this scumbag is burning in Hell right now. And eternity is a loooong time.

[SuddenCatharsis]

baby killer

[westmeaty]

Let Feminist cunts know what you really think: manhood101 . com

[ballajd]

The Lord works in mystious ways. You reap what you sow. Good luck with God having mercy on your soul after to you killed all those babies.

[1776iscoming]

I'm am so happy this animal cannot harm another infant, the world is better off with this freak in a casket.

[VanDoodah]

I consider it a tragic shame. I hate children.

[CrackerXZ]

I think he just liked performing abortions..

[kcsorci]

@prosperabovehaters Yes, because it is "sick" to provide much needed medical services for women @@

[devaloki]

He was a good man

[ste670ler]

He was a piece of shit , he reaped what he sowed burn in hell Tiller!

[motelcalifornia]

I hope Scott Roeder fries. No one got a shot into that animal and now his defense is talking about manslaughter?

[imopinionated2]

THANK YOU DR. TILLER!!! RIP!

[posat888]

@imopinionated2

That's a questionable wish...

[gmt903]

@pamperedroze you make it sound like the only women who get abortions are 16 year-old sluts. Please. Have a little more education about the subject of abortion. There are many severe medical reasons for abortion, which have nothing to do with "not wanting" the baby. Far from it. But they are a matter of life and death for the mother. Or a matter of life and death for the baby -- or the quality of life if it lives.

Women who get abortions aren't heartless -- often that is far from the truth.

[justin01057]

that isnt always the case i was told my child wouldnt have a quality of life and would have died soon after birth .and they were wrong he is a perfectly and healthy child .doctors make mistakes every day .

[kookytootfloot]

@gmt903 abortion not only killed innocent life, but the mother will never be the same and will have severe problems the rest of her life. When we break God's law, with the help of Tiller, we become broken for life.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@kookytootfloot Despicable lies. Abortion does NOT "kill innocent life," and this LIE of "severe problems" is a cooked up myth of anti-choice radicals. It is NOT true.

Dr. Tiller did NOT break God's law. Your lies and attempts to trick women into giving up their rights do.

[AbortionKillsBabies]

@PrisonerNumber9653

Tiller KNOWINGLY killed THOUSANDS of VIABLE babies that would have lived if delivered ..bit he KILLED them with a poisonous injection directly into their beating hearts prior to delivery.....even to most pro abort trolls that constitutes "murder"..and as to that allegedly not "breaking God's law"..what God exactly are you referring to...Satan?

Though I doubt that even in Hell (if it exists) there is anything quite so evil as alleged "Doctors" MURDERING babies in the womb..

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@AbortionKillsBabies More sick lies and blasphemy. Tiller never killed ANY babies. This is about embryos and fetuses, but in that lie, in calling it "pro-abortion," and the blasphemy of calling God "Satan" you show NOTHING about honesty, just hysteria and lies.

God's law is to do unto others as you would have others do unto you, you CANNOT say you'd want others demanding your life be ruined by an unwanted pregnancy and demanding you keep a pregnancy you don't want and controlling your body.

[mikewarmblood]

@PrisonerNumber9653 That is the biggest boatload of bullsmith I ever heard!! They are innocent and their blood is on ALL of our hands!!! when judgement day comes we all will be told about this genocide. I am so so glad that Tiller the baby killer is gone!!! not cause of who he is, I hate it for him but I am glad he is gone so that numbers of people will get to have their GOD!!!!! GIVEN RIGHT TO LIVE!! as you and Tiller and all you baby killers were given HOW DARE we say it is not killing

[loner1878]

@mikewarmblood

Dozens of young doctors have stepped up to take his place. Terrorists (and their sympathizers like you) will not win.

[PrisonerNumber9653]

@mikewarmblood There is no "genocide" nor "judgment day". God forgives sins, not judges. Tiller NEVER killed a SINGLE baby, and it's proof of how UNCHRISTIAN you are to celebrate his murder. Don't talk about "rights" while you fight AGAINST the rights of every woman to control her own body. it's NOT killing, and they are NOT babies. You cannot tell the truth, the anti-choice radical's agenda is based in hysteria and lies, NOT truth. You cannot call a fetus a fetus, it's a "baby", hysterical lie

[kcsorci]

God bless you Dr. Tiller!

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci He took forceps and jammed them into the skulls of pre mature children to destroy their brains and kill them. I'd be praying God has mercy on him.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Dr. Tiller provided a much needed (and perfectly legal) medical procedure for women. He terminated a womans pregnancy due to fetal anomaly/demise or threat to the pregnant womans life/health. If anything, we were blessed by God to have such a selfless man willing to help these women. God bless you, Dr. Tiller!

[bcmasta1returns]

He shoved forceps into conscious premature children's skulls and destroyed their brains while they had a greater chance of surviving. This is called late term abortion, he did it by his own admission. He was also under investigation at the time for 17, yes 17, incidents of killing born children. I can understand one or two issues, but 17? COME ON! Now, I think he should have been brought to justice and am not in favor of his murder. But to say "God Bless you", see who your saying it to!

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns Dr. Tiller provided a perfectly legal medical service for women who desperately required this service, & he did this amazing thing for those women at great risk to his own life... he died for these women. Try as those anti-abortion extremists did (for years) to implicate Dr. Tiller had broken any laws, they always failed. They failed because Dr. Tiller never broke any laws. & now, he will be forever Blessed by God.

[bcmasta1returns]

@kcsorci Anti choice extremists? Half the people making the accusations were pro choice women claiming he killed their child when it was viable or injured them. Including Christin Gilbert who died from a botched abortion of his. And although he was never convicted, for he was shot, there was enough evidence for an investigation.

[kcsorci]

@bcmasta1returns - Actually, your assertions are unfounded (unless you can prove otherwise) - regarding the death of the rape-victim you mentioned, Operation Rescue petitioned the Supreme Court and yes, they are the very definition of anti-abortion extremists (and according to Websters, they're also domestic terrorists.) Dr. Tiller was not "convicted" because the Supreme Court never indicted him because he did not break any laws. Please feel free to peruse the facts.

[loner1878]

RIP Dr Tiller. You are a true hero and always will be.

[pittbullbill]

@loner1878 give me a fucking break

[loner1878]

@pittbullbill

Go fuck yourself, loser.

[pittbullbill]

@loner1878 so i guess killing babies is what makes someone a real winner? just because your making a million+ a year doesent make you successful when your a murderer

[loner1878]

@pittbullbill

Saving women's lives makes someone a hero. And who makes a million a year?

[pittbullbill]

@loner1878 see you want to argue with these people and you dont know what the fuck your talking about, tiller made a mill+ you dumbass, aborting a baby at 8 1\2 months is saving the mothers life i mean get fucking real dude. what the fuck is wrong with you?

[loner1878]

@pittbullbill

Yeah, your spouting off personal insults and emotional arguments with no attempt at rationality shows you're so much better suited for debate.

An abortion at 8.5 months is not done for trivial reasons. Serious birth defects (often fatal at or shortly after birth) and threats to the mother's life are the only reasons. What the fuck is wrong with you?

[pittbullbill]

@loner1878 they can tell if theres something wrong with the kid 2 months in your fucking stupid

[loner1878]

@pittbullbill

Are you being stupid on purpose? They can't catch everything that early. Many tests are performed after at least 10 weeks. For instance, amniocentisis can't be perfomed until the second trimester. Research something before opening your mouth and looking like an idiot.

[loner1878]

@pittbullbill

Yeah, how dare a doctor charge for medical services? The nerve of them! Going to medical school and doing medical procedures makes them think they should earn money!