SSD's [RAID0] Windows 7 boot

[harborskoolmaniac]

A macbook pro does that boot time in 2 1 tb hard drive RAID 0.

[seetherfan1328]

have you noticed any "real" performance hit since you've installed these in RAID0? Since TRIM is not supported in RAID of any kind, just wondering if you noticed your drives slowing down at all.

[yuri00r]

WTF is this case?

[HayLotion]

@yuri00r Apparently it's made by uhaul.

[Shaniirne]

from what I always heard, RAID 0 actually slows, SSDs. At least that was the case with early models.

[helthuismartin]

Dat islekker snel.Ik heb sinds een week een Kingston SSD 128GB in mijn ASUS N73JQ,laptop.windows start op in 15 sec,met software erbij 19 sec.Voorheen met de originele schijf 50 sec,de vooruitgang is enorm,ook met zappen,downloaden en aplicaties openen,alles gaat veel sneller.Eigenlijk zou nu al standaard in elke computer een SSD geinstalleerdt moeten zijn.

[gr2k]

odd thing is my single SSD drive boots just as fast ..

[helthuismartin]

@gr2k Yeah my ASUS N73JQ also on a Kingston 128GB SSD in just 18 sec.I paid second hands only 120 euros for the ssd.My notebook boots up now twice as fast.Before it was 45 sec with the original Seagate 500GB 5400 RPM drive.

[iXW1X]

hiow long from standy?

[ravenousjerboa]

when did win7 come out?

[giutarmanjosh]

wats the song name??

[kaenlaithai]

Thank you, but my Pc faster than yours even if i have q9450@3.5, check out my video ^6^

[XxHardcorexxGamerxX]

5400 rpm drives should be banned!

[XxHardcorexxGamerxX]

Wow! Impressive... Just wish SSDs became a little more affordable...

[mansen2525]

haha, my ssd boot windows 7 in 15 or less

[blowupuate13]

@mansen2525 impossible you cant make the win 7 boot screen go faster than those red, blue, yellow, and green things meet in the center of the screen it is impossible to boot in 15 seconds

[mansen2525]

@blowupuate13 i clocked it at 14,7 sec

[mansen2525]

@mansen2525 check my channel, its a bit fail on the clock but it is faster than yours ;)

[RayTech70]

LOL, I have a laptop with only 1 SSD (80 Gig) and it boots up 7 just as quickly... the person who made this video needs to optimize their Windows 7 PC and it should boot up even faster.

[AphamX]

@RayTech70 he has shit tons of programs on his ssd =.=

[l33tp1mp]

Nice PSU, I have the same one, but the 1kw version.

[TheIrredeemable]

@keldererik

Recently installed a OCZ Vertex 2 series 60gb SSD.

With a 295 R speed and 285 W speed 250 sustained it alone can easily rival X-25s in a RAID config.

It also supports TRIM and scores a blistering 7.7 index rating.

If you intend on updating anytime soon go for the latest Vertex 2 series with the SF controllers.

The 60 gig is on sale on NewEgg.

[keldererik]

@TheIrredeemable

How is the random read and random write speed?

[TheIrredeemable]

@keldererik

4K random writes.

Nothing too astounding, but still quite nice.

[keldererik]

@TheIrredeemable

4k random writes what?

In HD-Tune Pro, go to the tab 'random access' and perform that test. Check how many IOPS you get at the different sized blocks. (read and write). Check out the new link for a screenshot in the video. This is basically every day use performance, the other tests are more synthethic.

[wwyk1993]

@TheIrredeemable It really depends on which X-25 you have. If you have the X25-E, which the E stands for extreme, then You'll have to reevaluate what you just said. The X25-E has 250MB/s of sequential write, so if you put both of them in RAID 0, your single Vertex 2 might not have enough power to rival them. IMHO.

[TheIrredeemable]

@wwyk1993

If you are willing to spend nearly four hundred on a single low gig extreme series that is.....Espeacially when you could purchase and RAID two vertex 2s and out perform the E for that price.

Not to mention you would have more storage space.

[wwyk1993]

@TheIrredeemable The X25-E comes in both 32 and 64GB sizes.

[TheIrredeemable]

@wwyk1993

I am aware of this.

However, even the 32gig is nearly four hundred dollars.

You could purchase several Vertex 2 90GB at that price.

[TheIrredeemable]

@keldererik

Personally im not sure.

But as long as you use the RAID drives as a boot and update config (OS partition) only then you shouldnt need TRIM fo a while.

I use a Intel X-25 for a OS partition and a 32gig Corsair Nova V gaming series SSD for games.

Indeed 70 gigs is not alot of space, but its so easy to mantain and keep nice and speedy.

The TRIM feature and Win7 are a godsend to SSD users.

Also AHCI is not supported in RAID, which will increase the speed of a stand alone SSD.

[keldererik]

@summt5697

Raid doesn't speed up booting in case of ssd. The response time of 0,1ms does not get any better, only worse. So this is a bad example to show off speed.

[ijoshtech]

@keldererik why you do it then?

[keldererik]

@ijoshtech

For benchmarks and large files, like extracting movies or repairing them with par2 files. Very fast.

[clasesocial]

how much it ?

[homokakksakka]

i'm not very impressed.. : (

[temporalparadox]

Start up the MSCONFIG aplication, and disable the startup GUI and splash screens, then you'll see a marked improvement in startup speed.

[mlanonymous]

woah.. what case is that? it looks like 2 seprate cases infused together... is that for a server?

[keldererik]

@UticaCC12 read speeds arent that interesting because in real life there are rarely files on the disk that are in the following sectors. Realistic benchmarks show Random Read and Write speeds, like in the links in the videodescription. look at where ocz is in those benchmarks. looks to me you fall for their marketing.

[keldererik]

@UticaCC12

[UticaCC12]

no mean for hate tho nice setup :D

[UticaCC12]

the X-25M's arnt even they fast SDD's any more they have 250mb/s read when the OCZ Agility 2's have an amazing 285mb/s read. and their the same price for the intel 80gb and the OCZ 90gb. OCZ FTW!

[h4rukun]

Do you have all cores activated on boot? it'll shave off ALLOT of time.

[RamsesHarrysson]

Music:

Artist - Kito

Track Title - Cold [Full Version]

Greetings from Estonia!

[hraqhraq]

you should only stop the clock when the HDD indicator stops, not when you see the desktop.

Because windows will not be responsive to any clicks until it loads the startup daemons and applications on the bottom right corner of the taskbar.

[Schmidteren]

my name is Harry balls :-(

[johnsy32]

double clicking?

[dalesalsa]

Cool.. thinking of doing this... What is the motherboard? It has the RAID controller installed already on the mobo correct?

[MM3nn00]

De boot is eens heel veel sneller dan mijn tweaked Win7 op een losse SATA 500g Seagate 7200 RPM HDD ;) (26 secs hier)

Uiteraard laden de apps wel veel sneller ^^

[Dalem50005]

What's the song?

[mikemartin1200]

whats the name of the dubstep song?

[grillan79]

get rid of the windows logo during boot and it will be a lot quicker.

run -> msconfig and uncheck BootGUI

[DeathDude72]

Now that's how computers are SUPPOSED to work and perform. :)

[ed0985587]

guess a ssd is worth it then eh? =>

[gamemaster905]

DANG THAT'S FAST

[HansensUniverse]

how come that my standard HDD is faster ?

[keldererik]

@HansensUniverse

Maybe in booting because raid1 takes a little more time initializing (post) and improves large file transfer rather than opening small files (which happends alot at booting windows). A harddisk is in general not faster in extracting winrar files, starting programs, video editting, searching files/programs etc. Take my word for it that everything inside Windows is dominated by SSD. If you want we can both make videos of doing certain tasks and find out.

[hashtege]

@HansensUniverse my one kingston ssd is much faster than your raid 0, LOL

[decimat777]

@HansensUniverse doubt it

[HansensUniverse]

@decimat777 i don't

[decimat777]

@HansensUniverse what is your HDD, need specs too. like mb/s write and read. if you dont know the mb/s theres abunch of free software that can tell you.

[wicked4u2c]

That's slow! My single Intel SSD X25M loads windows in just about 10 seconds.

[keldererik]

@wicked4u2c

Yeye, and the fish I caught was thissssssss bbbiiiiiggggg.

Video or it didn't happen. When I check other peoples vid's its around 20 seconds. For now it's another bullshit story on youtube.

[wicked4u2c]

@keldererik

Give your E-mail address and I will send you the video, no need to lie or "bullshit" it is what it is.

[lizardmannnn]

@keldererik Thank you for the video but I must ask, What is the song!

Thank you

[keldererik]

@lizardmannnn

Can't find it. I'll sweep my harddisks later and see if I can find it.

[keldererik]

@lizardmannnn

/watch?v=AvG8_IxRZ3Q

past this after youtube dot com

it's from black sun empire podcast 5.

[DaFakaMatt]

@wicked4u2c Wow grats man, your a hater, how does that make you feel?

[wicked4u2c]

@DaFakaMatt No hating, E-mail the poster of the video numb nuts. I sent him my video. Send me your E-mail address and I will show you the video too.

[DaFakaMatt]

@wicked4u2c You were just comparing your set up to his and how much better it was. It was hate.

[neooneeightytwo]

This video isn't entirely correct. You stopped your timer while the OS was still loading. ;)

[brett1234]

did it say windows is starten?

[maticoff]

what song is this, and awsome computer setup!

[MJBDC07]

you stopped it a few seconds early but still very fast hope mine boots as quickly as your does.

[HoneycombAgent]

I'm not sure if I should switch to SSDs because of the amount of data I write to them; due to the limited amount of times that the cells can be written to, the SSDs can literally get eaten away with use.

[XVAGOSX1]

i have to said raid0 and then install windows or is the same plz i have 2 seagte 500gb and it said that my hdd dont support! plz help

[THExROBONATOR]

so shnell is meiner auch mit ner sata festplatte ... lso beim boot

[omk556]

nice song !!!

[Mahander]

What's the songs name!?!?

[godscuttingyoudown]

hey moron you need to clock the test properly

the clock starts running when you hit the power button and stops when you open a window, it doesn't stop when the desktop is shown because win 7 is still booting

[TheArea510]

is 2x 500gb run ass 7200Rpm make a dfferent of 1x 500gb???????

[DragonTamer2345]

I'll say the same thing here that i did on the other RAIDed SSD video.

ONE OCZ vertex with TRIM enabled is just as fast, or faster than this. Raiding SSDs with a built in RAID controller gets your very little help with booting. Maybe with copying HUGE files, but otherwise, there's nothing noticable because A: Mobo RAID controllers suck and B: You lose TRIM which means that it's going to increase the latency. More than two fold. More like ten fold.

[keldererik]

It doesn't matter that the mobo raid-controller sucks. Raid0 has a very simple algorithm, especially with only 2 drives. It starts to suffer with 3+ drives. I know because people on forums tested this compared to a decent raid-card. Ocz is not as fast, even not with TRIM:

-PCmark

-IOMeter

Especially IOMeter proves why Intel's SSD controller has no rival. Nothing beats it. And the latency story is not true, It's still 0.1ms according to HDTach and other benchmarks. Like I said, raid0 algorithm.

[DragonTamer2345]

So, correct me if i'm wrong, but that means that you DID double that latency of the drives. When you RAID, you should be able to effectively half the latency. Like this, it didn't do much. I just can't reallu justify spending the money on two SSDs to get the latency of one. If they had some sort of way to run TRIM in RAID, i'd do it in a heart beat.

[keldererik]

I needed more space for my programs so it was either JBOD or RAID..

[DragonTamer2345]

@keldererik Ah, i see. I suppose that works... i'm just not big of RAID. Every time i've tried it it's blown up in a few months or dragged down so bad that it was useless.

[bigdima3]

@DragonTamer2345 If you RAID 2x intel SSDs you wont notice any improvements. However, there will be improvements for 512K reads and writes, that means you will be able to copy movies faster. the 4K reads and writes will not double, in some cases with other SSDs, 4K performance can even decrease.

[HHBones]

@DragonTamer2345 But you DO get more storage.

[garion992]

very nice fast Photoshop startup :P

[razattack1337]

Putting SSD's in raid-0 is idiotic. You lose the built in TRIM function with these X-25-M and you double the latency. (The main reason people get SSD's is their micro second latencys). Latency is more important then read/write speed.

If you did not lose the TRIM function when you raid SSD's it would be great, but its a waste of money since you do. Since you double the latency the boot time is almost unaffected by the faster read/write speed.

[keldererik]

OMG I DOUBLED THE LATENCY, NOW ITS 0,2ms :'(((((

[razattack1337]

During boot windows runs hundreds of files, most are small 4K ones. So it almost doubles your total boot time.

[razattack1337]

I should have read your comments, cant believe this author is a troll himself.

Well pointless trying to have an educated discussion, i'm outta here.

[keldererik]

Prove it with a benchmark. I've already proven you wrong by running a single SSD and RAID0. Both videos can be found in my profile. I'm not a troll, people that watch this and get jelous or what not have the need to post stupid comments, like yourself. Do you really think I should answer every dumb comment i get on youtube? Like now, fucktard.

[stonecoldsteven]

@keldererik lmao

[greenhornet123]

raid 0 will crash eventually good luck with that

[keldererik]

ssd's can't crash. Eventually they won't be able to write data, but still able to read the cells. So copy all the data is no problem. They have longer life than normal hdd's these days. Thanks for trying to be smart, and good luck with being dumb.

[danbertilsson]

damm fast , i when raid 0 last night but havent fix bios full yet . still having some slow finding harddrive and what not.

[madzane94]

i can't wait for the sata 6gb/s ssd's!!! or usb 3!!! or if i got the money prob get a pci-e

[wheelsdeal]

Yea whats the track's name is great

[keldererik]

check out 'blacksundnb' channel. It's from a podcast.

[deletethegame]

i love the song

[1234lasse1234]

Tomshardware get's the same speed with one Intel SSD.

[keldererik]

raid0 doesnt decrease boot time. Maybe 1 or 2 seconds so that could be true :)

[halo2pc]

★★★★★

[JarminKell]

Why are you mixing RAMs? Also could you repeat this with the i7 OC'd to ~3.7 GHz? It looks like the CPU is your bottleneck :P

[keldererik]

CPU usage with ssds in raid0 is 1%, tell me, how can this bottleneck the ssds? I mix RAM in pairs with the same speed and latency.

[KooolaNL]

Nederlander

[keldererik]

>:D

[EjectSkate]

*Throws up in a sick bag... way to fast for me.

[Jih1H]

lol that was fast

[Fightbird2013]

wow that was sick oO

taht is fast

[arni291]

windows 7 is fast itself

[rngew]

yea but not this fast :D

[jeroeniskoning]

@arni291 No

[jcostello117]

@arni291 I was going to say, my 5k rpm hdd load in jjust a few seconds slower. Those new corsair force seires ssd's are pretty fast. I'd like to see a startup with those.