Rx-7 FD3S 3-rotor vs Dodge Viper GTS Heffner [short pull]

[mattc1683]

rx7 will rape a viper

[Thatonedude321404]

A good car is car that race's on track.

A Great car is a car that gets banned from that track.

Mazda 787B & all rotary engine's were banned from le mans after the 787B won that day :(

[rekevin1]

@Thatonedude321404 If I remember correctly they weren't banned. They just changed the rules so they couldn't race again in Le Mans. To many factory teams complained.

[TheDrutters]

At the end of the day, this Viper is still just a Viper.

[MonkeyMike1234]

@TheDrutters Just a Viper? How many 110k cars do you have?

[sh3lbot]

vipers are cool but I would rather own a stock fd any day.

[jnava357]

I think it is so worth it. I currently have a 91 Galant VR4 and these cars are just special, but I've had my heart on a rotary for a long time and looks like this year is going to be my lucky year. I'll play with the 13b until it's time for the 20b. I've seen plenty of lsx rx7, but not many 20b in the dfw

[jnava357]

I was recently looking into 20b installs and the price list is quite interesting. The subframe can be replaced for $1600 or straight bolt on kit with out removing the subframe for near 2.5k-3.5k with P/S and A/C and use of stock trans, Of course the engine is 4k, plus you want to do a rebuild to be sure it is in top condition, another 2-2.5k. Microtech and some tuning, about 2k a on that front. Plus install which requires some serious man hours to do. I've seen full turnkey quotes at 25-35k.

[Tj1056]

@jnava357 they have engine mounts for the 3 rotor FD now... do not cost much...

[bigfootsie50]

I love rx7s but of the few people I know that have them. They all have had to rebuild the motor at between 50k-80k miles. My friends rx7, he had to rebuild twice. once around 65k miles and again at 140k miles. And he had to go ONLY to either Mazda or an RX7 specialized shop.

[ajyabhilash]

@bigfootsie50 I think I know why he had to get a rebuild done twice. Its b/c one of the main cases is he must have not been checking his oil level every 2-3 gas fillups to check if the oil was tiptop. B/c its essential for a rotary to have oil always filled to the top b/c this engines live on oil, they can't survive without oil. A rotary engines drinks 1-2quarts of oil every 1.5-2k miles. If he didn't top it off, the apex seals might have gotten bent due to lack of lubrication.

[FunkyFresh48]

I didn't know that Hugh Hefner tuned Vipers, I want to get my car dynoed at the Bunny Ranch.

[mantamia]

Rotor engines are the bomb! I also owned a FD3S next to the viper and loved it!!

[Gunzprobish]

Rotorys all depend on the builder and tune. Personally id take a 3 rotor over the viper 10cyl. But thats all on opinion. Both great cars but that rotory can be pushing out so much more power. pp bigger turbos nice tune. But then theres the viper..its a viper for christ sake. Price difference between them are their for a reason vipers are siick. Dam..random convos while im high.

[noshabibis]

LOL the RX-7 reliability SUCKS ASS!!!! Plus the MPG sucks for the power it makes STOCK!!!!!

[rotor13]

@noshabibis really? 16city/26hwy is sucky for a 250hp 2600lb car? i guess my 450hp FD making 22cty/32hwy is shitty too right? stock mazda maps are rich for a reason.

if you care more about fuel economy on a sports car, then you cant afford one, period.

[rotor13]

@noshabibis as for reliability? hah..... its the ignorant idiots who dont pay attention to maintenance and proper tuning methods get poor reliability..... my daily beater FD is all stock with just a catback and PowerFC getting me great mileage and it has 145k miles on it currently.....

ignorant idiots.... like you since everyone who talks shit about a rotary never even worked on one and depend on other peoples opinion on the engine to talk shit.

[LivingtheRotaryLife]

@rotor13 ehh let them be dude, nothing you says gonna make him any smarter, its a shame he will never learn, idk about you but i dont waste my fd's fuel on preschool civics, besides the less dumbasses that own these cars the more chance we have of them surviving a few more decades instead of totaled in the junkyard

[rotor13]

@LivingtheRotaryLife i agree. cant believe i risked making my carpal tunnel syndrome worse than it already is on this fag

[JAGWAH66]

Aren't RX7's known for burning up?

[LivingtheRotaryLife]

@JAGWAH66 no

[JAGWAH66]

@LivingtheRotaryLife Yes, they are. Look it up.

[LivingtheRotaryLife]

@JAGWAH66 i guess stupid people who still run factory FPD do, its not the cars fault its the owners

[strmchsr902004]

wow that RX-7 was keepin up pretty good! :O

[Obscevator]

ik wist neit dat er een 3 rotor in NL was buitenom die zwarte cosmo! :O maar klinkt enorm lekker!

[cbeck611]

torque wins races horsepower sells cars

[Kleo84]

so both cars have the same amount of HP yet there's several hundred pounds of difference between the two... makes it fair?? just curious.

[royanl]

Keesie!!!



[streetrage]

Daaam 3 rotor!! That's expensive!! haha this video sucked ass.. yeah let's see a guy floor it for 3 seconds... come on, make a better video guys.

[MrKAPfilms]

Well this video was very poorly done. 

[monkeysplayingsocc]

That Rx7 said, "Fuckyou"

[86Wutang86]

a rice bruner agianst a muscle car maybe next time u can install so more turbos or nitros better make that 2 tanks ! get that jap crap off the road, what a waist

[GranTurismoJunky]

@86Wutang86 <LOL @ this guy. Not all crowns are on straight-aways and ovals. American cars are shit boxes. The last three good things we have made are 1. ZR1  2. BOSS 302 3.... well the rest are pretty much made in the Euro and Aussi divisions of the company.

[stupuff]

@86Wutang86 ...spell check, not too hard to use.

[bliss0512]

@86Wutang86 What a waist? you're a waste.

[rotor13]

@86Wutang86 hey guess what...... get your head outta your ass. pretty sure after the hit the viper stayed only one car ahead and didnt spread the gap before he had to slow down due to traffic.

pay attention next time

[gav240z]

Both cars are cool, but a 3 rotor would be amazing to own.

[alexander1485]

@gav240z what about a 4 rotor?

[CreativeCAP]

@gav240z yea.....a 3 rotor would be more amazing than a 8.3 liter 10 cylinder...mhmm..right....

[rotor13]

@CreativeCAP sure does when you can use honda s2000 pistons because its the same size and profile for 3/4 the price of Viper branded pistons.

[jimaymay]

i have done homework on vipers since they were made. They do have wider tires, but with that extra torque comes extra wheel spin. 900HP to the wheels, unless you are on slicks will spin since the torque will be probably similar if not greater. The viper i raced most often was an older viper and i was in a 1st gen RX-7 that was very light cause i took everything out of it and had 8 X 15 inch wheels in back. 1st gen rx-7's stock were clocked with a good driver at 4.5 sec 0-60. add a few parts tada

[iPROFITDON]

@jimaymay Extra torque comes extra wheel spin is true. But if you are a fairly good driver, that isn't a problem. Boostalmighty, I believe I said, ran a 9.56 on low prof drag radials, and low 10s on 20in street tires with a 99 Viper. Traction isn't a problem if you know how to drive. Shit the newer Vipers run 10s bone stock. An Rx7 is already some 600lbs ligher than the Viper, one with even more weight reduction should run well. 

[jimaymay]

@iPROFITDON Fastest Viper stock and not the Venom is 11.7 sec 1/4mile. Stock Nissan GTR beats that at 11.2 sec. Back to the rotaries and vipers. Vipers are a status quo thing for people that have a ton of money and possible lower size below the belt. V-10 engine big wheels, just about like making an off-road truck that is a daily driver. With a stock 13B engine RX-7's are in the 7 sec 1/4 mile range with a bit over 900HP. I will take both with out easily with $35k in an RX-7.

[iPROFITDON]

@jimaymay The fastest Viper, not a Venom run back less than steller magazine drivers may be an 11.7. But they can run 10s if you know what you are doing. watch?v=0kp0yjz2jI4, and it's a daily driver.

I can show you another video of a stock Viper in the 10s if you like. There are no street legal Rx7s to my knowledge. Forgoing reliability and drivability you can achieve great speed out of anything, like those Civics running 8s. Any 7 sec Rx7s with the stock trans and rear end either?

[NotCommonSense]

@iPROFITDON

11.7's is very possible with no internal modifications to the motor and remain street legal. Drivability will be a quite civilized as well, rather noisy when opened up but that's it. I would know I drive one everyday... It only takes around 400hp to the wheels in a FD to run safely 11's. Stock diff. and trans are good to around 500 hp at the wheels.

[KPAracing]

@jimaymay Almost stock. Just a two piece apex seal kit and solid corner seals on the rotors and do all the intake/exhaust porting work would give you 900Hp+ capable motor. The rest depends on the fuel/turbo setup and ecu tuning using a microtech which is my choice of preference. At the end the mazda would be a much cheaper and more reliable setup compared to a V10 viper.

[rotor13]

@iPROFITDON you do know they have aftermarket traction control right? takes the guess work out of feathering the throttle..... i seen the video you talk about..... he didnt feather it. more than like he has the racepack TC.

[iPROFITDON]

@rotor13 I'm aware of him using an after market TC. Fairly sure he'd be in the 9s even without. I still don't see an RX-7 out launching a Viper.

[jimaymay]

wow a V10 barely pulled on a 2.0 liter engine. Good job. Get a guy that really knows how to tune the RX-7 and things will change. New Viper about 85K 3rd gen RX-7 about 15k, 20B motor swap 10k. Getting it faster than the 7 or viper in this video.... Not going to total 85K. Probably more since that Viper wasnt stock.

[iPROFITDON]

@jimaymay You could get that older viper for around 40k now first off. Second its a rotary, turbo rotary at that, you can't pull that engine size bullshit with that I'm sorry to say. I love 3 and 4 rotors to absolute death, but your messing with too much power in even an NA viper apparently. And this viper is pumping 580bhp.

[jimaymay]

@iPROFITDON

cool, give me 40k and i will go buy an Rx-7 and spank the crap out of that viper. Rx-7 costs about 12k now for a stock R1. 28k in performance parts later i would destroy that viper and have an 11 second RX-7 possibly 10's. Thanks for playing , please try again later when you dont need an engine that is 4 times the size to win by a little bit. I would like to see the 2 cars 1/4mile drag. A v10 8 liter engine having better top end pull is obvious.Also that specific viper isnt 40k.

[iPROFITDON]

@jimaymay That is nothing new I'm afraid, I could spend 6k on a Honda hatch, spend the same 28k on performance parts and run mid 10s. You can always mod a slower car to be faster than a faster car, but take the faster car and tweak and it won't matter what you do I'm afraid. These vipers can pump 900+hp with nothing but a paxton blower. 1/4 mile drag? Are you kidding? You really believe that v10 that has the torque band of a semi has more top end pull than a turbo rotory? Get real.

[jimaymay]

@iPROFITDON I have owned 7 RX-7's and i have raced vipers. They are not really that impressive off the line cause of traction on launch. I always had them til 3rd gear. 900HP on a stock viper with a blower, hmm that seems like a bit of a HP gain that i don't quite believe. I got money on the 3rd gen RX-7 over a civic hatch since you will spend too much on axles and front suspension. Also civic hatch doesn't look exotic like a 7 or a viper. Tell me to get real? Learn a bit more about rotaries.

[iPROFITDON]

@jimaymay I'd have to see to believe a RX-7 will out launch a Viper. Vipers naturally have wider tires, more grip, and more torque, unless the drivers you race just can't drive. Check out Boostalmighty, he's running a 9.5 with that stock paxton on a stock engine, right at 900 to the wheels so I guess it would actually be over 1000. You tell me to learn about rotaries after you tell me a 8L v10 has more top end? Only if you're talking much less power in that rotory. I agree, the CIvic was an ex

[AtzengamerMemphis]

@iPROFITDON DUDE. I´ve seen 13B's beating the shit out of a viper just saying. I want to see a viper with ANY kind of modifications you can build beating a RX7 tuned by RE-Amemiya. Just want you to know, these RX7 tuned by Amemiya San are superior in handling. american cars like the viper have a good acceleration..but not anymore. peace from germany, I work in a audi garage and I know whats possible, just want you to know.

[iPROFITDON]

@AtzengamerMemphis If you say so boss. I can pull up quite a few Vipers that would ruin any RE-Amemiya Rx7 without in acceleration.. you know.. what we've been talking about. As far as handling.. You work in an Audi garage so you know what a Viper is capable of somehow? And they can't handle? Do you do paper work? Or maybe you're taking the ACR into consideration. Vipers handle quite well in general, but they are indeed a handful.

[AtzengamerMemphis]

@iPROFITDON fuck vipers dude, a friend of me drives a viper tuned by startech, makes 781 rwhp. In a uphill race the viper got beaten by a 13B FD with about 600rwhp. I know both engines. of course its always a question about modding mate but forget it you cant beat a rx7 in handling. just porsches can like the GT3 RS but these also need a damn good driver. deal with it

[iPROFITDON]

@AtzengamerMemphis There is no need for that, I love Rx7s right behind Supras, but Vipers are my fav. I love the pure brutality of them not to mention there isn't another car that can put out power like they can without a block swap. If you beat a Viper in an uphill race, congrats. We've been talking about acceleration all along. I don't see an Rx7 at the top the ring, do you? The ACR outhandles the GT3 RS even if I'm not mistaken, though it is a handful. Startech? Really?

[AtzengamerMemphis]

@iPROFITDON acceleration? If I remember right, a 26B holds the worldrecord on the 1/4 mile. 6.92 @ 200mph. of course, vipers have damn brutal engines, but its just a wonder that a tiny 1.3 litre engine >CAN< be faster then a 6 litre v8. just saying. yeah tuned by startech if u want I can send u the link, its a vid of it on youtube.

[iPROFITDON]

@AtzengamerMemphis That is phenomenal, But that is a full tilt drag car in the same level as cars like Paul Major's Vette running mid 6s on radials. A 26B is a four rotor correct? Once you know just how rotory engines work, it's not much of a wonder any more.  It's just an understandable fact. Do you know how many combustion chambers does a 4 rotor has? Just like Viper v10s making power. Sure link me.

[AtzengamerMemphis]

@iPROFITDON Just type in "Dodge Viper RT10 Startech" its the first one. there arent only pictures of it, also a startup and a short pull in the video. honestly, I dont have a clue how much combustion chambers a 4rotor have, I am just sayin that a Viper cant compare to a RX7 in handling. thats all I said. Also want you to know, that 1991 the 787B won the Le Mans and Viper didnt won once in the past. With WON i want to say the first place. Just 1998 1999 2000 they made NEARLY pole positions.

[iPROFITDON]

@AtzengamerMemphis The only thing I hate more about the rear end style of that Viper is that exhaust. That is the most half assed 781rwhp I've ever seen. N/A and sounds like a stock cam? You don't know that simple question about rotory engines yet you someone have inside knowledge of how Rx7s out handle Vipers? Ha.. I know all about the 787B. To say Vipers "didn't won once" is absurd. They've won many championships in lemans, alms, and more. Including a few 1-2-3 finishes.

[rotor13]

@iPROFITDON a 4 rotor has 12 combustion chambers

[rotor13]

@iPROFITDON and you're talking about a car that is factory modified, built and marketed as a club racer.

im pretty sure the discussion was about FACTORY production cars.

[iPROFITDON]

@rotor13 the ACR is a factory production car, it comes from the factory as is. They do not take a built SRT-10 and turn it into an ACR. It goes through the production lines destined to become an SRT-10 ACR from the start. That's like saying the GT3 RS isn't a factory production car because of the RS. The ACR-X is however marketed as a club racer.

[ckks2008]

@AtzengamerMemphis search for rx7 vs GT3 nurburgring video I'm sure you will like it :)

[1oldskoolluvr]

you guys do realize that a rotory builds torque a little bit higher up the revs than a piston engine, right?

besides, rolling runs are never truely equal. line 'em up properly.

[robo3060]

rotor forever piston never,bless up

[sammyrock0087]

Thanks to Marco with his VIPER killer RX-7!

[francovel3]

rx7 3rotor untoutchable no viper is a match, even a 13b with the right work can finish a viper.........

[mantamia]

Don't forget that the viper got 930Nm of torque. against the Rx7 thats got like 650Nm

Rx7 now got new turbo's so should be a closer call next time.

[Curveball]

@mantamia

That is a lot of time in money to put into a car that still loses to a Viper, when you can get Vipers for 30-40k used.

[LandonGear]

they cant be the same hp because if that was the case the RX-7 would have torn that viper a new one. reason: RX-7 weighs 2800 lbs and the viper weighs 3400 lbs... thats a extra 600 pounds that the viper has to carry... doest make sense.

[Tj1056]

@LandonGear torque...

[Tj1056]

very poorly tuned 3 rotor there

[PinoyYounGster9deuce]

@Tj1056 unless thatz a 3 rotor non turbo.

[Tj1056]

@PinoyYounGster9deuce well you can hear the BoV on the rx7 and they are same hp should keep up with the viper...

[remiks77]

sick

[easterstar1989]

she fast