Math Metal

[TokyoKid47]

So wheres the numbers and shit D:< LoL, anyways nice playing! Though I'm not too sure what Math Metal is. :D

[jimmyshitbags]

what has this got to do with mathematics?

[lethaldoseofhate]

Improvised math? Hmmm...

Nice tone.

[DemonicRitual666]

billy42994 your an idoit if you need to know the guiterist amp and effects.

[thedespisedicon]

mighty solid if i may say so

[gacktxrawr]

really good.

[WeveGotNoTimeToLose]

Not bad at all.

[ScaRav90]

hm, I rather liked it, could use some more complicated drums though, but maybe you just couldnt hear the kick drum ;)

Ride / Bell figures work well for this kinda music too.

[Vocalist309]

RECORD it duders

[simmsmetre]

tight man, tight

[GodMentality]

second riff was nice guys good shit Horns Up! \m/

[Zaspor]

it didn't look like the heads where attached to the cabs from the video's prospective but I'm sure they were haha,

[HushedDeath]

I feel smart when I listen to this stuff

[Sooshdog]

Niiiiice!

[bronzehydra3]

Damn, the riff from :30 on is so bad ass

[Jaythedrummerman]

5 is fun

[shamusolarry]

Pretty cool, wish it was longer though

[NikolaSilvers]

Well I tried giving it a shot, but seems my ears are tuned for power-metal and not for math-metal...

[ehhhhhhhhhh]

I'm diggin it

[evanfity]

sexy bro, straight bombin numbers

[billy42994]

Love the sound of the guitar. What effects/amp/guitar/pedals and what not do you use?

[jacobgun]

@billy42994

uh... I was running both Line6 spider II, and Peavey 5150. Through

generic line6 4x12 HD cab and Marshall 1960 Lead 4x12 cab.

[MrDarksoldier5501]

i jizzed my pants

[supadoob]

dum

[Jaythedrummerman]

really sick guys love it.

[hooliganSKATE]

this is the kind of shit i do !!!

[Drumtome]

Fuck yeah, better then I can do, but I LOOOOVE Math metal, so I'm gonna have to give you guys props, its on its way to being pretty sick!

[lectwar]

dude this is a filthy fucking jam. 

[AlExXx364]

i like it (Y) if i had to criticise on anything it is the pace! PICK IT UP !!!

[GJanee]

ooooh the breakdown part is killer at 0:27 - and afterwards!! nice one! nailed it! :D

[MetalAtmospheres]

The second riff was fucking awesome.

[mmmikeyxx]

pretty sic

[clems6belio]

what pedal do you use at 0:28 ?? O.o

[entrailsgalore]

Sounds good.

[mooch666]

i didn't really like the first riff, but the second one is pretty sweet.

[shazzylazzy]

This just some porgressive metal. whats math metal ?

[metalxthomas]

what's with all this arguing, mathcore isn't about math, plain and simple...

[jacobgun]

coming from a guy with no videos. Bench warming jerkass. Post some videos

[eskimojoe1]

@minimonolith You're a fucking idiot then. Go suck a dick. I'm listening to this through my subwoofer, and it sounds fucking awesome!

[bandatodoexiste]

0:38 0:41 guitarist teletransportation OMG

[suyud90]

rofl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[amjan]

@bandatodoexiste Hahahahah, I've known this video for 2 years and never noticed the guitarist teleportation. LOL

[EskilRask]

OSM

[shanebieda]

I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE 0:28

[AZNGUITARNINJA]

I'm really digging the tone your squeezing out of that peavey 5150! keep it up!

[intothevoids]

Love it guys. Man I love the sound of china symbals. great meshuggah style riffing

[BunchesBundles77]

I love this. :)

[Verdugothewatcher]

I love what you put together at 0:30, fucking good.

[eekman666]

why its called math metal?

[Mrcabe]

Because its like math, some people get it and some just wont, LOL!

[smokindaweed]

@eekman666 polyphonic rhythems

[xXBMXEMOXx]

Errr... and why is it called MATH(math like 4x4+20/8) metal?

[pisaniforprez]

If you listen close, you'll see it isn't 4/4 time (or 4 beats). This is mostly 7/8. You can make almost any time signature, as long as the bottom number is 2,4,8, 16, or 32.

[skater15153]

or 64 or 128 etc etc

[pisaniforprez]

yeah, It's nearly impossible to be precise to 1/128th of a measure, I just gave the basics lol.

How do you make irrational meters? I don't remember there being any 3rd notes.

What other irrational meters can you make?

[skater15153]

i believe it can be writen like that when you use metric modulation IE: when you are playing triplets or something like that in 4/4 and then the actual tempo changes to what the triplet in 4/4 would have been. If that makes any sense.

[skater15153]

you can also have irrational meters which would be like 7/3 or something like that

[Bodycage]

it's all in 4/4, dumbo. Just listen to the cymbals, the bars resolve that way.

[chazzable]

ooooh someone knows about groupings well done ;)

[Bodycage]

no shit

[Selothi]

Damn, very Meshuggah-like !

And can I PLEASE know what cymbal the drummer has on his left ? PLEASE ?!

[jacobgun]

the drummers left or audiences left?

[Selothi]

Drummer's left. Sounds like a china, or a splash, or a mixture of both or something. Again, very Meshuggah-like, and I really want one.

[jacobgun]

it's an 18'' Sabian XS China with a 12'' Sabian AA Mini Splashkinda put upside down on it

[Selothi]

Thanks alot man !

[stopglobalswarming]

5/5x555

[BigJrock45s]

oooh yaaa

[Femicide09]

This wasn't improvised right?

[jacobgun]

It was practically improvised, we just said "ok..how about these notes? This time signature"... then this for this many times etc...

[Femicide09]

Oh I see. That's impressive as hell though. What amp are you running through in this vid?

[UsWalloadMyPride]

keep it up, we need more math metal and less bullshit pop crap cheeze metal

[OmgItsAnett]

damn,you're good!!

[TiagoHJ]

very good!!! sounds like Meshuggah!!

[TwilightPicture]

yeah! i like it

[xheldatthegatesx]

thats a linesix on the left isnt it?

[jacobgun]

yeppp!

[lovelldies]

Haha.. I like the way the guy playing the guitar teleports himself at 0:40

[shinogiofraikiu]

Hehe , I so agree... "Go Power Of Music"...? but seriously, think about how cool that would have been in reality, just pplaying guitar and sudently being somewhere else XD

[osamabinjesusclause1]

lmfao

[XxHXCGANGSTAxX]

@lovelldies haha yeah and the pause fits perfectly

[icec0rpse]

Real head banging music. Mathmatically, the rythm is off till i hits 4/4 at a certain point.

a good example

2 is divisible by 12

3 is divisible by 12

4 is divisible by 12

you have 3 signatures to choosefrom and they all sync their own specific points with a 4/4.

[wolfmother300]

i use math to UNDERSTAND the music instead of just memorizing it. its way easier to play something if you understand it

[MiLKniPPLeS]

i saw your shit, its lame. i taught my girlfriend to do better, and im serious too, fuckin lame, and my girlfriend whos only been playing for like 2 to 3 weeks and not even playing just fuckin around with me when im out there, why is she better than you, because she has an open mind and understands math quite well

[SoilentGr33n]

I have gone through a lot of maths in university, I still don't see how you can write songs and teach music to someone using maths.

[jacobgun]

Let's end this argument here, MATH METAL . SoilentGr33n, to state that a musician that is counting in there head while playing is an idiot... Takes away from your credibility, leads to the possible fact you've never been a drummer AND/OR have never played outside of 4/4. (100% no offense.) Look at the note values in notations.. Whole note, half note, quarter note etc... Translated in 4/4 to 4beats, 2beats, 1beat.

[SoilentGr33n]

How could I miss this.

I never said counting beats in your head was idiotic, I said counting beats in your head to follow along a syncopated pattern of overlapping drum and guitars isn't math.

Counting beats in your head while playing or listening to music is mandatory, but it's not enough "maths" to warrant it's own musical genre, it's just a rythmic concept that you gotta grasp.

Actual maths have nothing to do with this, hence the term math metal is stupid.

[jacobgun]

Take that knowledge and put something together that fits the time signature... Lets use 4/4 for the example here. The note values have to fit MATHEMATICALLY in order for it to still work under 4/4. ON TOP OF THAT. PERFECT EXAMPLE , Into the Moat, COMBINE 3/4 and 4/4 at the start of the song Century II. Mathematically fit the notes and gaps based off of two different time signatures to create A POLYRHYTHM! WOW! Music composed from numbers!

[MiLKniPPLeS]

dillinger's 43% burnt is another perfect example, and all of car bomb's cd centralia is abstract and intracate as fuck!!! check em out if you havent yet, alittle hard to grasp at first but definately some of the craziest musicians ive ever heard and seen...

[SoilentGr33n]

It isn't music composed FROM numbers...

We would be calling AC/DC math rock and Celine Dion math pop.We would be calling Dave Brubeck Math Jazz and so on.

Do you think these bands sit at a table and start calculating to write their songs?

Most of them write a guitar riff that is something else than 4/4,lay it over a 4/4 drum beat in a multitrack and see what happens 20 bars down the line.

It has NOTHING to do with maths except counting beats in your head, even lady Gaga does this. Math pop?

[MiLKniPPLeS]

Music theorists often use mathematics to understand musical structure and communicate new ways of hearing music. This has led to musical applications of set theory, abstract algebra, and number theory. Music scholars have also used mathematics to understand musical scales, and some composers have incorporated the golden ratio and fibonacci numbers into their work.

[SoilentGr33n]

Fibonacci you gotta be fucking kidding me.

Experimenting with known concepts isn't necessarily the essence of something.

I could use a fibonacci sequence to create a new cake recipe but would cooking be maths?

You are confusing a lot of things for other things.

[JesterNick]

guitarist sounds pretty good. i can hear little hints of meshuggah in there :D, but i'd like to see more out of the drummer than just "cymbol cymbol snare. (repeat)" not saying you suck, just saying you werent good in this video

[Juone87]

Great tune guys!

[SoilentGr33n]

Love the song, but the term math metal is irrelevant in general, I hate that term.

[MiLKniPPLeS]

all music is math, some music is just more inspired and derived from it... whats wrong with that? fucking dillinger, psyopus, into the moat, car bomb, ion dissonance, follow the white rabbit and plenty others fuckin own when it comes to making music

[SoilentGr33n]

How do you use math to write songs? I'm dying to know

[MiLKniPPLeS]

you can take unusaul time signatures, and when they are repetitive the right way but not too much like 2/2 1/3 2/2 3/1 its still all bar counts but with different time signatures thats just alittle example and mathematical music is a rhythmically complex, guitar-based style of experimental rock music that emerged in the late 1980s. It is characterized by complex, atypical rhythmic structures (including irregular stopping and starting), angular melodies, and dissonant chords.

[SoilentGr33n]

That's the gayest fucking thing I've ever read. Are you basically trying to describe Meshuggah in a more complicated way just to sound more interesting?

I asked you HOW MATH IS USED TO WRITE SONGS and you are telling me about syncopated time signatures and when musicians started experimenting with it.

You are not answering the question at all genius. I don't care about when you think it all started, I'm trying to laugh at you.

[SoilentGr33n]

When I was in high school and we were messing around with fusion jazz and improvising over syncopated drum patterns there was no math involved. There has never been any maths involved, we just understood what we were doing and played it.

So again, genius, tell me how you use math to write songs?

[MiLKniPPLeS]

no not meshuggah, that shits tight but its not that technical the guitarist uses mainly like one string and the drummers timing is syncronized with the guitarist, so all in all its not that mathematical so maybe some idiots like you can fuck around and make some noise like that... but like i said you will never be able to touch ion dissonance, dillinger and psyopus and shit, your narrow minded faggot ass cant even probably comprehend their complexity, TIMING IS MATH YOU FUCKING RETARD!!!

[SoilentGr33n]

I know all of Ion Dissonance, Dillinger and all that, I know what's going on and I know what they do.

But you are still avoiding the question.

How do you use acutal maths to write a song?

Timing isn't math, timing is rythm. How you overlap different rythms over uneven patterns is STILL rythm. You aren't using maths.

If maths for you is counting beats in your head while you play, you must be even dumber than you sound.

So HOW do you USE, ACTUAL maths to write music?

[MiLKniPPLeS]

do you even know what bpm is??? thats a measurement of beats per minute, why does metronomes and bpm even matter because music's sole structure is derived from counting, measurements, rhythm, and melody that have been tied together in some way, shape or form... math is the language of music as it is for science and almost everything else in life, but your probably not even a musician so i dont expect to probably understand

[SoilentGr33n]

Do you think the first guy to start banging on a drum to a rythm knew what bpm was? It was still music.

Do you think the first guy to start banging on a drum knew what math were? It was still music.

How could maths be the language of music back then?

It might be hard to answer this question for you since you can't read, but I'm not giving up yet.

P.S. I probably played more instruments and musical styles in your life than you can name. How do you use maths to write songs?

[spigledorf]

See what seeds Meshuggah breeeds? It is meant to be.

[Kingtunice]

meshuggah is awesome

[Feuerfrei715]

0:28 starts sounding real Meshuggah-ish, fucking awesome

[unite909]

haha thats pretty sick

[breakinknucklesruler]

kick ass

[OmgSoBr00tal]

niiice.

[vontetzianos]

What amps are you using?

[jacobgun]

On the left I have a Line6 Spider II, Running through a generic Line6 4x12 Cab. And on the right I have a Peavey 5150 running through a Marshall 1960 4x12 cab.

[SummonInThunder]

sounds like a mix between Sikth/Bulb and LOG

good work guys!

[sptz46]

yeah looks like they are writing a song

[Frejborg]

it's good. it's not improv, definitely was practices a bit. even if.. just a little bit.

[jacobgun]

Definatly not improvised, but the rifffs were pretty much made up on the spot, and put together in about 20 minutes.

[brunthroath6912]

wow not bad i guess... but not half as good as messhugah... not even a quarter i might ad..

and math metal.... iiicsshhh!! i dunno .....

[jacobgun]

really? I could have sworn we stated we were better than Meshuggah??....hmmm, we better keep practicing.

[brunthroath6912]

lmao wat was it that iv said?

[Colenelly]

@brunthroath6912 I would much rather listen to this than Meshuggah. Mesh does the same thing over and over.

[brunthroath6912]

@Colenelly Yes maybe for alot of their songs but at least they're innovative, subtle, memorable and full of nuances. Listening to Catch -33 album starting from Paradoxical spiral ( forget about the 3 opening tracks they suck!!). Its like you're hearing an album that came from 2023 AD. So ahead of its time...

[NoaOno]

@brunthroath6912 How odd. I love meshuggah but I hate that album.

[brunthroath6912]

@NoaOno Yea, its not for the average listener.

[NoaOno]

@brunthroath6912 Nah I kinda think it would be good. If the song included ONE song, not 13 songs that sounds just the same. Seriously I can't hear any difference.

[kotfather]

5 stars, keep it on!

[poopdude3]

you'd make the boys in dream theater and meshuggah proud with those timing changes.

[MotherPuncher420]

how long did this take you guys to put together?

[jacobgun]

it took roughly.. an hour? We just put a couple riffs together and messed with the time signatures. and voila.

[seanhester]

idk why youre calling this math metal

[GynoGrinda]

meh

[bernardokubrick]

that last riff is cute

[eskimojoe1]

cute????

[bernardokubrick]

pretty

[AriseRuin666]

math metal incorporates asymmetrical time signatures, starting/stopping, atonal chords, syncopation, and good skill.

i love sea divides and wtu.

[Creamesoda]

Now that's metal jazz.

[chesternaire242]

Most math metal is a bunch of shit thrown together to make a song, but this is actually pretty good

[killzoomer]

doesn't sound too bad, pretty good actually

[bolshevik2020]

the last riff is sweeeeeet.

[GuitarFreakMoFF]

I liked it.

[Galactu5]

The term Math metal doesn't even register to me. What's being played just sounds good. End of story. Ok, ok. I understand what is meant by math metal, but you get my point.

[Haark9006]

Math metal is when you use alot of offbeats and weird rythms. Atleast thats what i've understood, might be wrong.

[palecapulet]

I like that. FUCK.

[JKT84]

Math metal is the intentional use of math in creating music (in this case, metal) specifically when adding to or subtracting from varying time signatures.

Using more than one time signature at once is known as a polyrhythm and is a common tool in math metal.

Examples of mathmetal in music include: Dillinger escape plan, Behold the Arctopus and Demilich.

[giulianoisawesome]

Math metal?

[LordHines420]

HOLY SHIT! you guys are awesome! I play a lot of meshuggah, too, but im still working on my own math riffs. It's tough!

[downforcemotorsports]

nice edit job...Math rock? with edit

[Colenelly]

with edit? what are you talking about? for real i dont understand/

[specialDFX]

Not a bad Haake-emulation

[meegel]

is the drummer left handed or just playing open handed.

[jacobgun]

The drummer is naturally left handed but learned to play setup right handed. So he's naturally always played open handed.

[GodinSDXTguitars]

\m/

[Reechterb]

That's actually pretty neat. I like it :)

[aefuer]

you guys suck

[jacobgun]

thanks for the constructive criticism. haha

[UltimateDud]

Not to bad! Nice riffs ;)

[shiryu22]

off the top of your guys' heads? sick stuff. you should turn some of these riffs into songs.

thanks for the comment on the 43% burnt in the car, by the way.

keep on rocking.

[alexd29]

pritty sweet